IMO God privileges the ear. We all have the capacity to hear well Also, the
tacit dimension of knowing comes in to play here.
- Original Message -
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 23, 2006 16:55
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in
Iz:I totally concur. That is why Judy and yourself are so frequently in sinc
with David.
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From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 23, 2006 22:59
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?
Did you find the GREEN one?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you just 'mean' something? Now I'd suggest another documentary which I watched last evening; 'Wrong-eyed Jesus'- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006
Somone would post a perceptive email then, Iz would
say 'Bob's your uncle' while you would pull out your electronic concordance so
as to cite every contra verse you could locate.
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc:
What gender are you when offering up an
opinion?
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From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 22, 2006 16:15
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in
Genesis literal or figurative?
The STANDARD of ORTHODOXY in RW's eyes
I don't use "electronic concordances" Lance, sorry to
disappoint you. Would it be a
big surprised to you to know that some have God's Word
deep within - I mean in the heart?
You know His Words are life to those who find them and
health to all their flesh. IMO it is
folly to waste much time
David Oppresses Goliath! Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somone would post a perceptive email then, Iz would say 'Bob's your uncle' while you would pull out your electronic concordance so as to cite every contra verse you could locate.- Original Message - From: Judy
David Oppresses Goliath! Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somone would post a perceptive email then, Iz would say 'Bob's your uncle' while you would pull out your electronic concordance so as to cite every contra verse you could locate.- Original Message - From: Judy
IFF David had 'nukes' (news flash - he does) then,
yes.
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 23, 2006 06:26
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in
Genesis literal or figurative?
David Oppresses Goliath!
More of your PsyhcoassertionISM? Besides you prefer Opinions of one as RW with NO ABSOLUTE MORALS and No clear idea of what he believes. He is afloat on the sea of consensus. Lets call a meeting of men to get all the opinions tally them till we get consensus or majority. What a basis for Truth!
NEWS FLASH! http://www.iran-press-service.com/articles_2001/dec_2001/rafsanjani_nuke_threats_141201.htm RAFSANJANI SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAELDo you have a similar one citing Jews saying similar? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IFF David had 'nukes' (news
Nice attempt to CYA Kevin but, I'd suggest to rent
'The Control Room' as a rebuttal.
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 23, 2006 07:52
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in
Genesis literal or figurative?
I'm not a good communicator, Lance. I have been convinced of this, and I
become more convinced the older I get. I try really hard, but I am
frequently misunderstood. Nothing I have tried can cure this. It is a
thorn in my side that only grace enables me to endure. It constantly
humbles me
David:You articulate well. You apprehend, IMO, less well. You write like a
'neat freak'.
- Original Message -
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 23, 2006 14:58
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?
I'm
Interesting. I think I hear much, much better than I articulate. In fact,
I'm sure of it.
David Miller
- Original Message -
From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal
I give you IRANIAN NEWS you say Watch a movie? ROTFL You really are stuck in a FABLEIs the Control Room a documentary or a FAIRY TAIL for Adults? LOLControl Room - IRAQ war? BTW Iraq is not a suburb of IRAN they border each other check the map.
I KNEW IT It is GWB's fault that The IRANIANS are threatening to Nuke Israel! Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice attempt to CYA Kevin but, I'd suggest to rent 'The Control Room' as a rebuttal.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Lance, I believe it is not David who don't/won't see, but those who
criticize him who are wearing the blinders. He communicates perfectly well
with those who are of the same Spirit. izzy
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller
Sent:
David:'PROVEN'? 'ERROR' In the light of 'orthodox' thought concerning the
Triune nature of God David, it is an heresy. It'd appear to be an heresy
that is a part of YOUR BELIEVE CONCERNING THE TRIUNE NATURE OF GOD but, that
does not change what it is in this context.
- Original Message
David:No wonder you come both readily and frequently to Judy's defence. Now,
if only we could clarify, prior to TT's demise, that you both hold to an
heretical position concerning illumination/interpretation of Scripture.
- Original Message -
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
Lance, you have never been able to distinguish between Orthodoxy and the
teaching of Scripture. Judy has been trying so hard to get you to see it.
Martin Luther, if he was here, would be trying so hard to get you to see it.
You just don't get it. Orthodoxy and the teaching of Scripture is not
David:My interpretation of what you just said:
'Lance:Judy and I see this matter as it should be seen. We've tried so hard
to get you to come around to see things our (God's) way. You do not see them
our (God's) way so, you do not see at all!
Of course, David, I'm aware of the distinction
I would say what Martin Luther would say... show it to me by Scripture, not
by quoting a church father or some dignified scholar in the church. You
seem to have no firm standard to judge what is of God and what is not, nor
do you seem to have any method whatsoever to discern the truth of
David:Through God alone can God be known, David. EVERYBODY has access to
truth, David. Believers, via the Holy Spirit (Rom 8:16) has special access
to truth. They (believers) are indwelt by the Spirit of He who is truth,
David.
As to mantras David, yours 'I have only the truth and, all of the
And we all talk as if "David and Judy" agree on matters of critical importance. They do not. I leave TT knowing without any doubt of the discord that exists between pundents of the radical fundy side of the aisle. Their only concern is to continue the debate until the libs give up and walk away
Judy:Short of intervention by the Spirit of God, I
deem it IMPOSSIBLE for you to be shown anything on TT by anyone. I've observed
this over my entire stint on TT. Of course you'll disagree with this.
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To:
Lance wrote:
As to mantras David, yours 'I have only
the truth and, all of the truth all of the time
is neither borne out by Scripture nor reality.
This is not my mantra. We have a communication problem here. I do not
believe that I have only the truth or all of the truth all of the time.
It just might be the case that YOU are not as good a communicater as YOU
believe yourself to be, David. Ah well, David, soon a long rest from TT and,
onto things more important!
- Original Message -
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 22,
Your observations are delusions Lance; I have learned
much during my time on TT
Just because you have no insight does not negate the
reality. Nor does it let you off
the hook. If you have all of this insight that
DavidM and myself lack then it is your
responsibility to lay it out. judyt
On
Yes, it's always the fault of the communicator (whenever attempting to
communicate with you-know-who.) iz
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 12:30 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re:
I watched whilst the two of you shot down the best
of the 'layer-outers'. Close mindedness is the operative _expression_. Sad, sad,
sad!
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 22,
I do know this Iz, that my friends and I have puzzled more over David than
anyone on TT over the years. We don't know if he WON'T or CAN'T see.(I opt
for won't.)
- Original Message -
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 22, 2006 14:46
The STANDARD of ORTHODOXY in RW's eyes as shown in his own words is The opinions of Men in the consensus of his churchDavid Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lance, you have never been able to distinguish between Orthodoxy and the teaching of Scripture. Judy has been trying so hard to get you to
The STANDARD of ORTHODOXY in RW's eyes as shown in his own words is The opinions of Men in the consensus of his churchDavid Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lance, you have never been able to distinguish between Orthodoxy and the teaching of Scripture. Judy has been trying so hard to get you to
Riddle me that one Batman!ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it's always the fault of the communicator (whenever attempting tocommunicate with you-know-who.) iz-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Wednesday, March 22,
That smells like FundamentalISM to me!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do know this Iz, that my friends and I have puzzled more over David than anyone on TT over the years. We don't know if he WON'T or CAN'T see.(I opt for won't.)- Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL
There you go again - as is your custom. You make these
great outlandish accusations
and then when asked for evidence you shrink back and
put it all off on someone else.
There has got to be a psychological term for ppl like
you, I know what my husband
would say - something about bull dog
On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:33:23 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Romans 14 is not a discussion of how to treat the weak brother TO THE
EXCLUSION OF DIVERSITY.The problem in Romans 14 is clearly that of
diversity. The principle used to deal with doctrinal diversity is stated
in 14:4 and
ONE GOD IN THREE PERSONS
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 20, 2006 15:18
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is the day in
Genesis literal or figurative?
Unity in
Diversity.
Fatness in
Skinniness.
Did you mean to say the RNC?
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 20, 2006 15:20
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is the day in
Genesis literal or figurative?
And this also is not
a shot. But how could you
GOD IS ONE; JESUS SAID "I AND THE FATHER ARE
ONE"
More accurately, one person in
threemanifestations
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 06:27:25 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ONE GOD IN THREE PERSONS
From: ShieldsFamily
Unity in
Diversity.
Fatness in
What did YOU think of yesterday's QA with
GWB?
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 21, 2006 09:51
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is the day in
Genesis literal or figurative?
No. I meant DNC.
iz
1. "Faith" is used with two considerations in Romans 14 -- "the Faith" and "faith." The FOUR brethren disagreed on The Faith, Judy. Now if you do not think that "The Faith" includes doctrine, we must agree to disagree.
2. We have the eating of meats AND the observance of holy days presented in
In short, Modalism !!
Modalism The error that there is only one person in the Godhead who manifests himself in three forms or manners: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
REPENT -- HURRY !!
jd
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GOD IS ONE;
Why not just address Judy as a 'modalityite' as she
hates 'isms'! She is also of the opinion that church history is of little
value.
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 21, 2006 08:56
LOL for Lance's comment.
Also, Linda, when someone spoke of the "anti - Christ" in first century times, whommm do you think they would envision -- the RCC which wasn't in existence or some form of Judaism, which did exist and was very anti-Christ??? What would be the message in
I stand corrected.
Judy, modal--m was heresy thousands of years ago for the same reasons it is today - among other things, it denies the person of God the Father and the person of Christ, His eteranl son.
jd
-- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Those who claimed to be Christians, but
were not of the same Spirit. izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 7:53
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
No. I meant DNC. iz
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 5:28
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the
day in Genesis literal or figurative?
Did you mean to say the RNC?
Missed it. Who did he QA with?
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:39
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the
day in Genesis literal or figurative?
What did YOU think of
A group of businessmen in Cleveland. I thought he
handled himself rather well.
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 21, 2006 12:16
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is the day in
Genesis literal or figurative?
Missed
Excuse me, John, but nobody has proven that modalism is an error, so how can
you use the word repent in regards to this? Do you really think it is a sin
for someone to think modalism is useful in understanding the Godhead?
David Miller
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
The four disagreed on The Faith? How so?
David Miller
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?
1. Faith is
So too those that claim to be Jews and are not; Revelation says they
are in REALITY of the Synagogue of Satan!
--- ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Those who claimed to be Christians, but were not of the same Spirit.
izzy
_
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL
Do you still consider yourself a Trinitarian leaning towards Modalism?
--- David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Excuse me, John, but nobody has proven that modalism is an error, so
how can
you use the word repent in regards to this? Do you really think it
is a sin
for someone to think
Yes.
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From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?
Do you still consider yourself a Trinitarian leaning towards Modalism?
--- David
Thats to be expected IMO. iz
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006
11:37 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the
day in Genesis literal or figurative?
A group of businessmen in
Amen.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:32 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?
So too those that claim to be Jews and are not;
If your idea were so JD then Jesus would have prayed
"make them "unity in diversity" just as we are ...
I see that nowhere in scripture. Jesus said if
someone had seen him they had seen the Father
because he did only what he first saw the Father do and
he said only what he first heard from
What follows is not a 'shot'...I repeat, THIS IS
NOT A SHOT! Re: 'end times 'harlot church' is that which I'd see as the mantra
of David Miller's sect. I believe he's part of a sect which, as they used to
say, has hived off from the 'end times harlot church' so as to recover the true
(his)
Lance you are truly an obdurant person. DM has
said over and over ad nauseum that he
is not leading and does not belong to a sect. Why do
you insist on using this type terminology. Do you
really want to communicate with him or just
totweak him a little? Because you are by your actions
Tell me then Judy, what you actually know about the
group with whom he worships. You appear confident that his 'group' is not a
'sect' so, let's hear what you actually KNOW.
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc:
I know what he has shared publicly which is that he has
a house Church and meets with believers
inhomes. He also ministers publicly on college
campuses and in the streets. Kind of like Paul in the
book of Acts who taught in his home for 3 1/2yrs as
well as on the streets. What is your
You don't see it ianywhere in scripture??? Try reading Romans 14. Or look to the solutions offered in Acts 15. Unity in diversity is the very theme of those passages.
jd
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If your idea were so JD then Jesus
On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:30:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You don't see it ianywhere in scripture???
Try reading Romans 14.
Or look to the solutions offered in Acts 15.
Unity in diversity is the very theme of those
passages. jd
Only if you are intent on reading it into
Romans 14 is not a discussion of how to treat the weak brother TO THE EXCLUSION OF DIVERSITY. The problem in Romans 14 is clearly that of diversity. The principle used to deal with doctrinal diversity is stated in 14:4 and is the only way unity within the fellowship can exist. Answer this
Whats the difference between
someone who rejects Christ and someone who you accuse of having a different
Christ??? iz
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 1:11
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;
Unity in Diversity.
Fatness in Skinniness.
Ugliness in Beauty.
Dumbness in Intelligence.
Wisdom in Nonsense.
Jibberish in Eloquence.
iz
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:24
AM
To:
And this also is not a shot. But how
could you construe the end times harlot church as anything other than the RCC?
izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:30
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re:
LOL! Try plague. iz
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 8:02
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the
day in Genesis literal or figurative?
I know
Sectarians indeed, John! You've identified the real
question.Yes, He is (the creator)! I thinkthat the sectarians marginalize
themselves.
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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 18, 2006
Sectarianism! Amen! Have you (of course you have)
taken note of those who so identify others as sectarians while their group
(sect) is thus reflective of a repristinated gospel. They seem themselves as
'recovering' the truth.
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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Agreed! I to hate all the isms and all the
ologies.
In fact I don't see why we can not lay them aside so
that we may recognize the faith
once delivered to the saints and "walk in Truth" or
reality. Jesus was not referring to any
"Unity in diversity" in John 17.He prayed they
would be One as
David:Or, the Holy Spirit is not a rationalist.
- Original Message -
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 18, 2006 23:00
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?
JD wrote:
And virtually all of my
Lance wrote:
David:Or, the Holy Spirit is not a rationalist.
If you define rationalist in the more esoteric sense of the idea that
reason is the source of truth, then I do not believe the Holy Spirit is a
rationalist. By this definition, I am not a rationalist either. However, I
do believe
We've been here before have we not? IFF you believe that the laws of logic
to which you subscribe are those out of which God operates then, David. you
deceived. What you are practicing is anthropological theology as against
theological anthropology.
- Original Message -
From: David
No, Lance. You are misapplying things you have read. Based on my reading
of Torrance, I'm with him on this one. I believe God operates with logic,
not against it, yet logic alone cannot lead us into all truth. I don't
expect you to be able to understand at this point, but you should know
Demonstrate that you and Torrance are 'as one' on this point, David. My
goodness but you esteem yourself highly (I don't expect you to be able to
understand this point', 'you are not hearing me on this last post') IFF you,
David, were who you think yourself to be then, Bill, Caroline, Debbie,
Speak of him all you wish, Judy. What you were
doing was akin to Kevin stating that DH believes in the same Trinitarian God
that he (Kevin) does. Thus 'embarrassment'!
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 19, 2006
Nice theory but just a fable as Kevin never has stated any such thing! Maybe you do not understand all you think you do. The mind can be a funny thing. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speak of him all you wish, Judy. What you were doing was akin to Kevin stating that DH believes in
So do I. iz
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 7:28 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?
Demonstrate that you and
We shall be one as He and the Father are one, someday, Judy. Right now, unity inspite of diversity is all we've got. Because you and I are not of the same Christ does not mean that unity in diversity does not exist.
jd
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL
How long did it take God to say "let there be light?" David? You and I both know the answer to that question. Tell me again that "day" and "the evening and the morning" mark out literal 24 hour periods when the whole of creation, taken in literal biblical terms , only took seconds to speak into
So which one of you does that make anti-Christ?
iz
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Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 10:18
PM
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TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the
day in Genesis
Ah, honest question, only, please.
-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So which one of you does that make “anti-Christ”? iz
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, March 19,
Lance finds himself compelled to jump in, David. What indeed is the point of
this hypothetical construct at the conclusion of your post? It is totally
meaningless. Whitcomb would not, I say again not, be taken seriously as a
theologian any more than Tim LaHaye would.
From: David Miller
To your first question , "no."
To your second question, either you did not read my post or you have decided to insult my presentation?
jd
John, I have a couple questions for you.1. Have you ever read John Whitcomb's theological treatment concerning the length of the day in Genesis 1? I have
John wrote:
To your first question , no.
If I get time, I will try and present some of it for you.
John wrote:
To your second question, either you
did not read my post or you have
decided to insult my presentation?
I read your post very carefully. I am not trying to insult you at all.
Think of the early chapters of Genesis as theological literature with the
emphasis on 'literature'. It is a well drawn story.
Bruce Waltke, in a recent commentary on Genesis, says the prologue
announces that the God of the covenant community is the same as the Creator
of the cosmos.
Waltke
Hi Lance. I don't mean to be rude, but all the below is the same boring
stuff I have heard for many years. Many scientists repeat this mantra too.
I just don't buy it. The Bible is more than poetry and literature that
answers questions outside of science. There are real, empirical
David: I'd never consider a response that amount to 'harumph' rudeness. Did
you note the leap you took when shifting your response from Gen 1-11
(particular 1-3) so as to change the topic from creation to something else
entirely.
Would you like a list of real/practicing scientists who are
Frankly, I am not interested in what's his name. Post it to the group, if you like -- but don'tdo iton my account. I know what I believe on the matter.
Secondly, one's motivation for taking a particular position is quite unimportant. If you need an answer on that, hear me say "intellectual
One other thought on the creation thread. I wrote my remarks more because of Conor than for any other reason. My comments can stand on their own, I believe. I do not believe in a 6000 year old earth nor do I beleive the bible teaches such - for the reasons stated. Could the earth be only 6000
It has occurred to me that legalism, although unattractive as it is, is not my real complaint. Henceforth and forever more, I will be opposed to sectarianism. The legal content of the sectarian is often different -- but the sectarian is the same kind of cat, regardless of his/her stripes. They
JD wrote:
And virtually all of my argumentation was
of a contextual in nature. There was no
appeal to cultural or outside sources.
How is it that you missed this?
There was no direct contextual evidence in your presentation that the
meaning should be taken figuratively. Let me put it
I must admit that my reasons for wanting the days in genesis to be
figurative is because I believe the universe to be an old place. I've never
really thought about that before, but I suppose that's where my opinion comes
from. When you really get down to it, I'm not much of an expert on
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