Re: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread Terry Clifton
You seem to feel strongly on this! Not only sin, but unpardonable? I didn't even know it existed years ago. Since you did not lose your salvation at that time, exactly when did it become unpardonable? Since I am now hopelessly lost, should I go on and yeild to the temptations that I have

Re: [TruthTalk] Annuit Coeptus... Novus Ordo Seclorum

2003-04-04 Thread Terry Clifton
Thank you Slade. Now, who is Vergil? BTW, you are wasting your time trying to show David the light. 2nd. Timothy 3:7 may not apply, but it comes close. Terry - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 11:31 PM

Re: [TruthTalk] Do I have to observe Saturday worship in order to be right wi...

2003-04-04 Thread GJTabor
1. I don't take TT seriously enough to save anything said on it. I use it for a little entertainment. However, I stand by what I said about Marlin. I will not give Marlin enough of my time to prove anything he said. Believe or not believe what I said, I don't care. Facts are facts. 2. From your

Re: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread Terry Clifton
Your husband had an excellent reason for leaving. Terry In a message dated 4/3/2003 9:42:06 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He is a Freemason. He bows down to a worshipful master. You cannot serve two masters.Many Christians are Free Masons and don't realize it is not a

Re: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread Terry Clifton
--- I don't know if he is a Free Mason or not, but if he is, that doesn't mean he has sworn allegiance to Masonry above Jesus Christ === I looked up the word allegiance one time. The definition was "Undivided loyalty". If that definition is correct, you

RE: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread Terry Clifton
And all this time I thought Christians loved and prayed for their enemy. Silly Me! Terry I wouldn’t mind seeing a stray missle hit Arafat on the head. Izzy IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here

Re: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread GJTabor
There is a big difference in personally turning the other cheek and our government going to war. Two totally different discussions. And all this time I thought Christians loved and prayed for their enemy. Silly Me! Terry I wouldnt mind seeing a stray missle hit Arafat on the head. Izzy

Re: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread GJTabor
Agreed. We don't know if the Prez worships Free Masonry or is just a member. In fact, I don't even know if he is even a member. I do know I have never met a policeman in VA who is not in Masonry. I do know I don't think every VA State policeman who is a Mason is going to hell simply because they

RE: [TruthTalk] The Handwriting of Ordinances and Other Stuff

2003-04-04 Thread David Miller
Slade wrote: Here's the deal, Dave. There are multiple ways to view the same passage. I understand the Jewish concept of PARDES and agree that this approach reveals treasures in God's word. Nevertheless, this concept is not a license to apply any sensible view to the meaning of a passage.

RE: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Terry, I do not disagree with Jesus about anything. I have no proof whatsoever that your allegation that he is a Freemason is true. I have heard the President give glory to Jesus Christ with his own mouth (without fear of taking the heat for it), and he lives an exemplary life. Unlike

RE: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Anyone who watches the Commie News Network deserves to be duped! (Try Fox instead!) Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]

RE: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Amen, Glenn! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] I don't watch CNN. It is full of liberal lies. That explains your

RE: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
I guess I cant have undivided loyalty to my husband? This statement just goes to prove that you can distort anything to prove a point, once you have your mind made up. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent:

RE: [TruthTalk] Do I have to observe Saturday worship in order to be right wi...

2003-04-04 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Everyone, set your disks free of old TT messages, for they all are archived at www.mail-archive.com. It even includes a search engine that lets you pull back messages out by keyword. After you go to this page enter truthtalk in the box and click Find List. Voila. Everything nyone ever posted to

RE: [TruthTalk] Do I have to observe Saturday worship in order to be right wi...

2003-04-04 Thread Charles Perry Locke
www.mail-archive.com From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Do I have to observe Saturday worship in order to be right wi... Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:35:53 -0600 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Do I have to observe Saturday worship in order to be right wi...

2003-04-04 Thread CHamm56114
That archive is handy. thanks Laura

Re: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Terry, and other TTRs, I spent about three years studying the concept of the New World Order in late 1980's and the early 1990's. The reason I began to study the New World Order in 1989 is because of two questions I asked but no one seemed to be able to answer: What does George Bush (Sr.)

[TruthTalk] Blair Says U.S. Has No Plans to Attack Syria, Iran

2003-04-04 Thread GJTabor
Reuters Friday, April 4, 2003; 11:11 AM LONDON (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Tony Blair said Friday the United States had absolutely no plans to attack Syria and Iran, which have been warned by Washington over their alleged involvement in Iraq. In an interview with the Arabic service of

Re: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread GJTabor
Perry, are you a member of the John Birch Society? Terry, and other TTRs, I spent about three years studying the concept of the New World Order in late 1980's and the early 1990's.

RE: [TruthTalk] Do I have to observe Saturday worship in order to be right wi...

2003-04-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Prove it. PROOF, PROOF, PROOF!!! iZZY -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Do I have to observe Saturday worship in order to be

Re: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread Charles Perry Locke
No, I am not, but I have read many of their publications? Obviously you have, too. Are you a member? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 12:48:11 EST Perry, are you a member of the John Birch Society? Terry,

Re: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread Terry Clifton
Thanks Perry. The plot thickens. Terry ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, April 04, 2003 11:39:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Terry, and other TTRs,I spent about three years studying the concept of the New World Order in late 1980's and

Re: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread GJTabor
No, but I am familiar with them. One of my seminary friend's wife was the President's personal secretary. That was a long time ago. I do know they are lifetime members. No, I am not, but I have read many of their publications? Obviously you have, too. Are you a member?

RE: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread Terry Clifton
Izzy: G.W. was sworn in on a Masonic Bible, not the one that you read. . You have a computer. You can choose to use it, or you can choose to live in your own little world where people are just what they seem to be. It won't make much difference either way. Our opinion is not that

RE: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread Terry Clifton
You probably better check with your husband on that. I don't want to get involved. Terry ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, April 04, 2003 09:34:17 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] I guess I can’t have “undivided loyalty” to my husband?

Re: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread Terry Clifton
Make up your mind. Do you want him saved or want him dead? Terry ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, April 04, 2003 07:16:13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] There is a big difference in personally turning the other cheek and our government

Re: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread GJTabor
There is a basic foundation problem here. It seems you are assuming a person cannot be a Christian and a Mason at the same time. You have not responded to my question about the Prez double loyalty by swearing to abide by the US Constitution? I would appreciate your point of view on this. Now to

Re: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread GJTabor
How about saved and death in quick order. LOL Make up your mind. Do you want him saved or want him dead? Terry

[TruthTalk] Was Hitler a Christian?

2003-04-04 Thread David Miller
Slade wrote (April 4, 2003): I have heard you say a couple of times that Marlin compared present day Christians to Hitler. Then for weeks refused to condemn Hitler. Now, it's my belief that the two or three witness must be different mouths (which means your two posts do not qualify as two

[TruthTalk] Who is Vergil?

2003-04-04 Thread Slade Henson
Vergil or Virgil (Publius Vergilius Maro) wasborn in 70 BCE in the Andes district near Mantua in Cisalpine Gaul. He died in 19 BCE. He was a Roman poet. Vergil was a rural poet who had a unique contrasting, realistic, and didactic style.His poetic expression gives him a premier position

Re: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread Terry Clifton
My personal decision is to follow Christ. Because He desires it, I will be a good citizen. I was once patriotic and once served my country, but I will not swear allegiance to any country that legalizes the murder of innocent unborn children. As for the president and the policemen, they have

Re: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread Terry Clifton
We cannot get Fox. Wish we could. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 8:47 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Anyone who watches the Commie News Network deserves to be duped! (Try Fox instead!) Izzy

Re: [TruthTalk] Who is Vergil?

2003-04-04 Thread Terry Clifton
Oh. THAT Virgil. Thanks again. Terry - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 1:00 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Who is Vergil? Vergil or Virgil (Publius Vergilius Maro) wasborn in 70 BCE in the Andes district near

RE: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread David Miller
Terry wrote: I will not swear allegiance to any country that legalizes the murder of innocent unborn children. Please explain something here about your terms because 2+2 does not seem to equal 4. You said that we should obey the laws of the our land, and submit to every ordinance of

RE: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
I will get back to you on this, to be sure. Am taking off on a weekend trip (prayers welcome!)stay tuned! Iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 12:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE:

Re: [TruthTalk] Blair Says U.S. Has No Plans to Attack Syria, Iran

2003-04-04 Thread Terry Clifton
This is good news. Let's hope Tony is right. Terry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 11:43 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Blair Says U.S. Has No Plans to Attack Syria, Iran ReutersFriday, April 4, 2003;

Re: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread GJTabor
I understand your point of view. However, please clarify if 1. You think one can be a Christian and a Mason at the same time? 2. Do you think a person can swear allegiance (as an American soldier) and be a Christian at the same time? 3. A person can swear allegiance to the US Constitution and

RE: [TruthTalk] Who is Vergil?

2003-04-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Are you sure hes not the guy on the roto-rooter commercials? Iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 1:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Who is Vergil? Vergil or Virgil

RE: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Get cable. Or do without. Would you read the New York Times if it were the only newspaper on the planet? I hope not. Iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 1:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread GJTabor
G is the ONLY liberal politically and conservative Christian I have ever met. LOL According to g. J

RE: [TruthTalk] Blair Says U.S. Has No Plans to Attack Syria, Iran

2003-04-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
As long as we have all that nice equipment, and all those nice soldiers there, alreadywhat the heck? Why not use it on Syria and a few other terrorist nations while we are there??? Its so much more economical than making return trips! And my Mom always said, A stitch in time saves nine. J

RE: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
We will be there before sundown. J Neener, neener! Iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 1:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] OK, but you are violating the Sabbath.

Re: [TruthTalk] Blair Says U.S. Has No Plans to Attack Syria, Iran

2003-04-04 Thread GJTabor
I was kind of hoping Blain is wrong. This is good news. Let's hope Tony is right. Terry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 11:43 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Blair Says U.S. Has No Plans to Attack Syria, Iran Reuters Friday,

RE: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Maybe HE belongs to Cloneaid??? Bye! Iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 1:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] G is the ONLY liberal politically and conservative

Re: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread GJTabor
Doesn't matter. The time here in America is not counted by sundown to sundown. You are playing with fire. After you get there you need a big time Saturday worship in order to remain saved. Maybe even catch a couple of circumcision parties. :-) Personally I am going to celebrate this Saturday by

Re: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread Terry Clifton
David: Pay attention now. I said that one unforgiven sin will send you to Hell. That is any sin not covered by the shed blood of Christ. I also said that I am a good citizen because of Christ, not because of any allegiance to any one or any group other than Him. I obey this government because

Re: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread Terry Clifton
1.No 2. I don't know 3. I don't know I base my answer to number one on Daniel's behavior, refusing to worship as Nebuchadnessar wanted him to. You cannot worship any one or any thing other than Jesus and be saved. It is not Jesus first and then someting second. It is not Jesus and something

Re: [TruthTalk] The Masonic Washington Bible

2003-04-04 Thread Slade Henson
I hate to break it to you, but it appears that this is incorrect. Before the inauguration, he planned to use the nine-pound "so-called "Washington Bible,"but it appears his hand was on a smaller Bible that was reportedly the Bush family Bible. Apparently Laura wanted something lighter.

[TruthTalk] Swearing Allegiance And The Believer

2003-04-04 Thread Slade Henson
Be obedient to the Scriptures and this conversation would be moot; i.e., James 5:12, Matt 23:16-22; Matt 5:34-37. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 04 April, 2003 13:24 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] I understand your

Re: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread Slade Henson
As an interesting point... according to Scripture, slavery isn't wrong. Bad treatment of slaves was wrong.) - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 04 April, 2003 13:29 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] I guess John Adams was a

[TruthTalk] Mercy Mercy

2003-04-04 Thread Slade Henson
Personally I am going to celebrate this Saturday by buying some chocolate Easter eggs. :-) And may God have mercy on YOUR soul!! I won't let my children celebrate the Spring fraternity rites. I don't like the idea of them "playing sperm" as they hunt for the eggs. Gross!! - Original

Re: [TruthTalk] Mercy Mercy

2003-04-04 Thread Slade Henson
I mean FERTILITY. - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 04 April, 2003 15:26 Subject: [TruthTalk] Mercy Mercy Personally I am going to celebrate this Saturday by buying some chocolate Easter eggs. :-) And may God

Re: [TruthTalk] The Masonic Washington Bible

2003-04-04 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DaveH, I checked the web, and one (an obelisk) was erected at JS's birthplace: http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/daily/history/historical_sites_eom.htm I found a few other references, but it does not seem to have been used in a worshipful or spritual setting like the other masonic symbols.

Re: [TruthTalk] Mercy Mercy

2003-04-04 Thread Slade Henson
Did you ever answer the question that I have to observe Saturday worshp to belong to Christ? Yes I did. Too bad you can't open your eyes to see instead of slinging insults. At least if these were Godly admonitions I could be edifying and I could grow. Your posts do nothing to me. I'm not

Re: [TruthTalk] Mercy Mercy

2003-04-04 Thread GJTabor
Ok, here is my point. You condemn me for "slinging insults" and you come back and sling insults at me. You are condemned by the Bible. "With what judgment ye judge ye shall be judged". Now I still don't understand your answer to my question. Since my ears and eyes are closed yell it. Yes, or no.

Re: [TruthTalk] Glenn. Hello, Glenn?

2003-04-04 Thread GJTabor
Marlin, you refused for weeks to condemn Hitler. You compared Christians and Hitler. Hitler was not a Christian as he did not belong to Christ. OK, here is your chance to clear things up. I hope you don't take weeks to answer. :-) I reject Saturday worship as a requirement in order to belong to

Re: [TruthTalk] Mercy Mercy

2003-04-04 Thread Slade Henson
Explain how I have "slung insults" in that post, please. And to REITERATE AGAIN YHVH is your Judge. Not me. YHVH is your Judge. Not me. That is my answer. Please accept that answer as my answer because that is my answer and I have no other answer. Do not hit the REPLY button when

Re: [TruthTalk] The Masonic Washington Bible

2003-04-04 Thread Terry Clifton
Must have been a last minute change. I remember seeing a small group of masons who were almost estatic that the masonic Bible would be used. I am not certain just what is inside the covers, but according to the information that I have available, ( quote:"The freemasonry ritual, in the lower

Re: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread Terry Clifton
Now that might just work! How about saved and death in quick order. LOL Make up your mind. Do you want him saved or want him dead?Terry IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here

[TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread Terry Clifton
www.cuttingedge.org/fmcorner.html

Re: [TruthTalk]

2003-04-04 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 4/4/2003 12:44:56 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Izzy: G.W. was sworn in on a Masonic Bible, not the one that you read. Terry How do you know that it is not the same Bible. My husband had a Masonic Bible and it was a regular King James version. Laura

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Hitler a Christian?

2003-04-04 Thread ttxpress
if you can, pls supply a valid historical reference, otherwise known as a footnote, below: On Fri, 4 Apr 2003 13:55:25 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:At the time of[Hitler's] rise to power, the Catholic Church and many Protestant churches supported him, much like this

[TruthTalk] Check out Our President

2003-04-04 Thread GJTabor
Click here: Our President

Re: [TruthTalk] The Masonic Washington Bible

2003-04-04 Thread Slade Henson
I went to a Masonic Lodge once to visit a pastor friend of ours. He led a Charismatic church that rented from a Masonic Lodge. Thought it strange. The Bible they [the Masons] had proudly displayed was an old KJV. Your information is interesting. Thank you for your insights. And yes, it

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Hitler a Christian?

2003-04-04 Thread ttxpress
On Fri, 4 Apr 2003 13:55:25 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I was actually stronger than Marlin in saying that Adolf Hitler was a Christian. On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:28:44 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..[Gen Franks is] kicking the devils buttsounds