Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection
In a message dated 10/30/2002 12:44:16 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is the difference between Mormons and Christians. Without the cross there would be no resurrection. Laura DAVEH: Hmm..would you say that without Judas there would be no resurrection? Is it the cross that brought the resurrection any more than Judas was responsible for the resurrection? Would you be comfortable wearing a little figure of Judas on a necklace, or have an image of Judas gracing your edifice?..just something to ponder. -- Judas didn't sacrifice his life for me. I don't feel a need to wear a cross all the time and I also can worship just fine in a church that doesn't have a cross but I still hold it an important symbol. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection
Dave my friend - Judas and the cross are the same thing? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is the difference between Mormons and Christians. Without the cross there would be no resurrection. Laura DAVEH: Hmm..would you say that without Judas there would be no resurrection? Is it the cross that brought the resurrection any more than Judas was responsible for the resurrection? Would you be comfortable wearing a little figure of Judas on a necklace, or have an image of Judas gracing your edifice?..just something to ponder.
RE: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection
-Original Message- Blainer) Wowsers!! It is just that simple, so I guess I must not be able to understand simple things. Izzy says: God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; ..the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; and base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen.That no flesh should glory in His presense. (I Cor:1:27-29) I wish it was that simple. The cross is a symbol, no more, no less. There is no commandment to hang a cross in every chapel, around your neck or to display one anywhere at any time. It is strictly a matter of taste. I CAN KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS WITHOUT DISPLAYING A CROSS ANYWHERE, SO THE CROSS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY BEING--OR NOT BEING--A CHRISTIAN. Crosses are strictly tradition-based symbols, and could easily be replaced. In fact the ancient symbol for Christianity was a fish, not a cross. Either is optional--neither is a requirement to be a Christian. I can be naked in a field by myself and still be a Christian--no ornaments, no jewelry, no building even. (:) Ya-at-eh! (Navajo-speak for it is good!) Izzy says: I am not saying you have to wear a cross to respect it. I myself do not wear a cross because I respect it too much to wear it like a decoration or a trinket. I see too many lost people wearing them! The point I am making is that ALL cults are taught to belittle the importance of the cross, because satan hates the cross and the Blood shed upon it. That is where he was defeated. That is where your false mormon beliefs were defeated as well. That is why you cannot revere the cross. Folks who are in cults are CLUELESS about the cross! For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this world? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it please God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. (I Cor 1:18-21) In a wonderful song by Joel Lindsey and Sue Smith called He Love Me with a Cross they wrote: He left the throne in heaven to come to Bethlehem; And I will not forget the way He loved me even then; And everywhere He traveled He spoke with words of love that said Hed go to any distance to show what I was worthy of. And when at last that dusty road turned to Calvary, He picked up a rugged burden so that one day I would see: He loved me with a cross, He loved me with a cross; In answer to the call of love He loved me with a cross. He knew from the beginning the price Hed have to pay, For my heart had gone so far beyond what other loves forgave; I wasnt on that hillside to see Him on that tree, But as my guilt was placed upon Him, I know that somehow, He saw me. He loved me with a cross, He loved me with a cross; In answer to the call of love He loved me with a cross. Oh, I could not imagine what loving me would cost; For Jesus went to Calvary and loved me with a cross! And I would be a sinner still, Enslaved by all my sins, if it had not been for Jesus, and the way He loved me then! He loved me with a cross; He loved me with a cross; In answer to the call of love, He loved me with a cross! Blainer, it is impossible that anyone who understands this could write SO THE CROSS HASNOTHING TO DO WITH MY BEING--OR NOT BEING--A CHRISTIAN., as you have done. My prayer is that God may have mercy on you, and save you! Izzy
Re: [TruthTalk] Dave h: TheFather as man
Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: michael douglas wrote: Michael D: Dave H, I am interested in finding out how did God become a man, DAVEH: Assuming you are referring to God the Father: As man is, God once was is a popular LDS belief. DAVEH: I don't have a definitive answer, Michael. But if you want me to speculate, I would say our Heavenly Father became exalted in the same way his Only Begotten Son became exalted. -Michael D:OK, But the critical question then would be how did Father become a man (understanding your position thathe was such before becoming God). And can you give us LDS sources for this? Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs.
Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend
Marlin wrote: With the heightened security we are closer than ever before to this: And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six. Rev. 13:16-18 Some people will be glad to have the mark because they will want the benefits. The one who orchestrates such tragedies has pawns at many levels; The pawns all answer to the author of all the hatred, the murderer from the beginning. We need to answer to the Author of all love, the giver of life from the beginning. You make an important point that there is a bigger picture to all of what has happened. This is not just about some Jewish / Arab / American conflict. Nevertheless, you are not saying what you really think. Your speech is veiled. You mention a man in Rev. 13 quoted above. In your opinion, will this man be: 1. A Jewish peacemaker 2. A Muslim peacemaker 3. An American peacemaker I put peacemaker in quotes because he is actually a destroyer, but he represents himself as a peacemaker. If I had to guess, I think you would pick 3, but I personally think it will be 2. Am I reading between your lines correctly? :-) Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Dear Izzy, I assume that this forum is based upon some sense of God ruling the universe, and what he reveals, and what we seek. Human conflict must be viewed through spiritual discernment. Even those who do not have this faculty exercised and strong may use the lists in Gal. 5 as a guide to identify the motives of men. The carnal intellect alone can do that with these lists, but tuning in to the Holy Spirit is a more excellent way. Lies have a purpose. The purpose is to serve the one originating the lies. Duly manipulated, purveyors of the lies either blindly or knowingly perpetuate the lies to the same end. I have seen lies showered over martyrs. But the martyrs, a Greek word that means witnesses, must always hold to the truth. This takes discernment and effort. There is the truth of an attitude and spirit behind such jesting. The attitude is based upon superficial understanding of the evidence. Such understanding is judgment. But we must have righteous judgment, or judge not at all, that we be not judged. Put the evidence on trial. This takes diligence and work. Without diligence and work, truth will not be appreciated. Again, ask who benefits? Who benefits from the conflicts? Who serves that power? With Love, Marlin P.S. And why didn't you answer my questions? I am not your lord that I should be telling you what to think. The only answers that matter to you are the ones that you are at liberty to see. What matters is what your Lord reveals to you. The more you see, the more sorrow you will have. The more you see, the more you will be judged. Jesus did not always give a straight answer to explain what He could see. There were reasons for this. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 8:54 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend That's funny; your website was all about Jews and Arabs, etc. -- nothing about whom we serve. So why the discrepancy? And why didn't you answer my questions? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:TruthTalk-owner;mail.innglory.org] On Behalf Of Marlin Halverson Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 7:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend Dear Izzy, This is not about Jews and Arabs. This is about whom we serve. Bottom Line: -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend
Martin, I'm not sure where you are coming from. I personally don't have time to play secrets with you as I am "building the wall" and don't have time to come down. Remember Sanballet? If you want to tell us what you're talking about, fine, if not, fine. Dear Izzy, I assume that this forum is based upon some sense of God ruling the universe, and what he reveals, and what we seek. Human conflict must be viewed through spiritual discernment. Even those who do not have this faculty exercised and strong may use the lists in Gal. 5 as a guide to identify the motives of men. The carnal intellect alone can do that with these lists, but tuning in to the Holy Spirit is a more excellent way. Lies have a purpose. The purpose is to serve the one originating the lies. Duly manipulated, purveyors of the lies either blindly or knowingly perpetuate the lies to the same end. I have seen lies showered over martyrs. But the martyrs, a Greek word that means witnesses, must always hold to the truth. This takes discernment and effort. There is the truth of an attitude and spirit behind such jesting. The attitude is based upon superficial understanding of the evidence. Such understanding is judgment. But we must have righteous judgment, or judge not at all, that we be not judged. Put the evidence on trial. This takes diligence and work. Without diligence and work, truth will not be appreciated. Again, ask who benefits? Who benefits from the conflicts? Who serves that power? With Love, Marlin P.S. "And why didn't you answer my questions?" I am not your lord that I should be telling you what to think. The only answers that matter to you are the ones that you are at liberty to see. What matters is what your Lord reveals to you. The more you see, the more sorrow you will have. The more you see, the more you will be judged. Jesus did not always give a straight answer to explain what He could see. There were reasons for this. Glenn - Are you claiming to be Jesus? - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 8:54 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend That's funny; your website was all about Jews and Arabs, etc. -- nothing about "whom we serve". So why the discrepancy? And why didn't you answer my questions? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marlin Halverson Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 7:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend Dear Izzy, This is not about Jews and Arabs. This is about whom we serve. Bottom Line:
RE: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend
Marlin, So who's jesting? I'm a plain spoken gal, if you haven't noticed. When I'm jesting I think I make that quite clear. I am personally suspicious of anyone who accuses others of being liars and manipulators. My first impulse is to want facts; not innuendos. My experience is that there are usually three fingers pointing back at the person doing the pointing. (Someone I know to be extremely honest and full of integrity has been smeared for years as a liar and manipulator by two people with morality on the level of pond scum.) You can't even be up front about who you are pointing at. If you wish to be clear about whom you are accusing of what, we might come to some useful dialogue here. Walk in the light of factual truth; not in the shadows of innuendo. Let your Yes be Yes, and your No be No. Anything beyond than that comes from the evil one. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:TruthTalk-owner;mail.innglory.org] On Behalf Of Marlin Halverson Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend Dear Izzy, I assume that this forum is based upon some sense of God ruling the universe, and what he reveals, and what we seek. Human conflict must be viewed through spiritual discernment. Even those who do not have this faculty exercised and strong may use the lists in Gal. 5 as a guide to identify the motives of men. The carnal intellect alone can do that with these lists, but tuning in to the Holy Spirit is a more excellent way. Lies have a purpose. The purpose is to serve the one originating the lies. Duly manipulated, purveyors of the lies either blindly or knowingly perpetuate the lies to the same end. I have seen lies showered over martyrs. But the martyrs, a Greek word that means witnesses, must always hold to the truth. This takes discernment and effort. There is the truth of an attitude and spirit behind such jesting. The attitude is based upon superficial understanding of the evidence. Such understanding is judgment. But we must have righteous judgment, or judge not at all, that we be not judged. Put the evidence on trial. This takes diligence and work. Without diligence and work, truth will not be appreciated. Again, ask who benefits? Who benefits from the conflicts? Who serves that power? With Love, Marlin P.S. And why didn't you answer my questions? I am not your lord that I should be telling you what to think. The only answers that matter to you are the ones that you are at liberty to see. What matters is what your Lord reveals to you. The more you see, the more sorrow you will have. The more you see, the more you will be judged. Jesus did not always give a straight answer to explain what He could see. There were reasons for this. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 8:54 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend That's funny; your website was all about Jews and Arabs, etc. -- nothing about whom we serve. So why the discrepancy? And why didn't you answer my questions? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:TruthTalk-owner;mail.innglory.org] On Behalf Of Marlin Halverson Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 7:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend Dear Izzy, This is not about Jews and Arabs. This is about whom we serve. Bottom Line: -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend
Marlin, Maybe that's why I've felt led to pray about those powers in the heavenlies--everything going on has made me very aware of exactly what you are talking about. How do you, personally, pray against dark powers in the heavenlies? I think we should all consider how to do this effectively before the elections just a week away. What does the Holy Spirit lead you to do in that vein? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:TruthTalk-owner;mail.innglory.org] On Behalf Of Marlin Halverson Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 5:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend Dear Izzy, Jesus spoke of him. John 8:44 It is not popular to believe Jesus. In fact, a lot of people were upset with Him. I only know what my Lord and Savior tells me. EPH 6:12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places]. Love, Marlin - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 5:57 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend Marlin, So who's jesting? I'm a plain spoken gal, if you haven't noticed. When I'm jesting I think I make that quite clear. I am personally suspicious of anyone who accuses others of being liars and manipulators. My first impulse is to want facts; not innuendos. My experience is that there are usually three fingers pointing back at the person doing the pointing. (Someone I know to be extremely honest and full of integrity has been smeared for years as a liar and manipulator by two people with morality on the level of pond scum.) You can't even be up front about who you are pointing at. If you wish to be clear about whom you are accusing of what, we might come to some useful dialogue here. Walk in the light of factual truth; not in the shadows of innuendo. Let your Yes be Yes, and your No be No. Anything beyond than that comes from the evil one. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:TruthTalk-owner;mail.innglory.org] On Behalf Of Marlin Halverson Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend Dear Izzy, I assume that this forum is based upon some sense of God ruling the universe, and what he reveals, and what we seek. Human conflict must be viewed through spiritual discernment. Even those who do not have this faculty exercised and strong may use the lists in Gal. 5 as a guide to identify the motives of men. The carnal intellect alone can do that with these lists, but tuning in to the Holy Spirit is a more excellent way. Lies have a purpose. The purpose is to serve the one originating the lies. Duly manipulated, purveyors of the lies either blindly or knowingly perpetuate the lies to the same end. I have seen lies showered over martyrs. But the martyrs, a Greek word that means witnesses, must always hold to the truth. This takes discernment and effort. There is the truth of an attitude and spirit behind such jesting. The attitude is based upon superficial understanding of the evidence. Such understanding is judgment. But we must have righteous judgment, or judge not at all, that we be not judged. Put the evidence on trial. This takes diligence and work. Without diligence and work, truth will not be appreciated. Again, ask who benefits? Who benefits from the conflicts? Who serves that power? With Love, Marlin P.S. And why didn't you answer my questions? I am not your lord that I should be telling you what to think. The only answers that matter to you are the ones that you are at liberty to see. What matters is what your Lord reveals to you. The more you see, the more sorrow you will have. The more you see, the more you will be judged. Jesus did not always give a straight answer to explain what He could see. There were reasons for this. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 8:54 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend That's funny; your website was all about Jews and Arabs, etc. -- nothing about whom we serve. So why the discrepancy? And why didn't you answer my questions? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:TruthTalk-owner;mail.innglory.org] On Behalf Of Marlin Halverson Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 7:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend Dear Izzy, This is not about Jews and Arabs. This is about whom we serve. Bottom Line: -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man.
Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend
Which things also we speak, NOT IN THE WORDS WHICH MAN'S WISDOM TEACHETH, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. (1Cor. 2:13-15) Thanks Dave, Thanks for seeing. We as humans are blind to so much. What a blessing to call upon our maker for Wisdom, Knowledge, Understanding, and the gift of eternal life. I tell you plainly, if it were not for the Holy Spirit and all of its attributes, I'd rather be dead. I would not want to live in a world based upon lies and hatred and the fruits of the flesh. Love, Marlin -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend
Okay, Marlin, I am also a bit INTENSE at times; especially when defending people or principles I love. (But I'm not as bad at Glenn!!!) :-) You sound like a person who has a lot to offer TruthTalk; so don't let us wild women scare you off. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:TruthTalk-owner;mail.innglory.org] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend Izzy wrote: I am personally suspicious of anyone who accuses others of being liars and manipulators. My first impulse is to want facts; not innuendos. Take it easy. I think there is a basic misunderstanding here. Marlin is new to our forum, so let's not chase him off with a simple misunderstanding. I understood Marlin to be speaking about what is going on in the heavenlies. In other words, the liar is Satan or demons which orchestrate what happens around us. What we see physically is but a shadow of what is happening spiritually. If there is a liar or conspiracy, I think he places it in the prince of the power of the air, not in some unnamed person. I could be wrong, but that is how I was taking his comments. Now that might also be reflected in some physical person, but I took Marlin's response to my question to mean that his eyes are staying strictly on the spiritual things. We must keep in mind that the political powers and changes in the political landscape are all orchestrated by spiritual warfare. This is revealed in the book of Daniel, and also in the book of Revelation. Whatever the case, if Marlin chooses to use veiled speech to speak of things, he is free to do so. Don't stone him just because you don't understand. That's what people tried to do to Jesus who spoke in parables so that only some could understand. Remember too what Paul said to the Corinthians, But we speak the wisdom of God IN A MYSTERY, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory. (1Cor. 2:7) And also: Which things also we speak, NOT IN THE WORDS WHICH MAN'S WISDOM TEACHETH, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. (1Cor. 2:13-15) Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend
Hey, how did you get me in on this? LOL I'm building the wall and don't have time to come down. The guy can speak or not speak. So far he has chosen not to speak. This is not the same thing as Jesus telling simple parables or 1 Cor. 2:7 or 2:13-15. Remember Sanballet. PS. I didn't say remember the Sunbelt, but I did say remember Sanballet. Okay, Marlin, I am also a bit INTENSE at times; especially when defending people or principles I love. (But I'm not as bad at Glenn!!!) :-) You sound like a person who has a lot to offer TruthTalk; so don't let us wild women scare you off. Izzy
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An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind. -Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi (1869-1948) -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: ****** SPAM ***** Re: [TruthTalk] Dave h: TheFather as man
michael douglas wrote: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: michael douglas wrote: > >>Michael D: Dave H, I am interested in finding out how did God become a man, DAVEH: Assuming you are referring to God the Father: As man is, God once was is a popular LDS belief. DAVEH: I don't have a definitive answer, Michael. But if you want me to speculate, I would say our Heavenly Father became exalted in the same way his Only Begotten Son became exalted. -Michael D: OK, But the critical question then would be how did Father become a man (understanding your position that he was such before becoming God). And can you give us LDS sources for this? DAVEH: As far as I know, it is all a matter of speculation. I don't recall seeing any official comments. The assumption that God continues to reveal his secrets to his servants the prophets implies that there are most likely secrets to be revealed at any given time, assuming the Lord has not yet revealed all knowledge. Michael..My guess would be that the answer you are looking for may not be revealed until 'the end', if at all. Until then, it is a matter of speculation, IMO. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~
Re: [TruthTalk] Dave h: TheFather as man
michael douglas wrote: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: michael douglas wrote: > >>Michael D: Dave H, I am interested in finding out how did God become a man, DAVEH: Assuming you are referring to God the Father: As man is, God once was is a popular LDS belief. DAVEH: I don't have a definitive answer, Michael. But if you want me to speculate, I would say our Heavenly Father became exalted in the same way his Only Begotten Son became exalted. -Michael D: OK, But the critical question then would be how did Father become a man (understanding your position that he was such before becoming God). And can you give us LDS sources for this? DAVEH: As far as I know, it is all a matter of speculation. I don't recall seeing any official comments. The assumption that God continues to reveal his secrets to his servants the prophets implies that there are most likely secrets to be revealed at any given time, assuming the Lord has not yet revealed all knowledge. Michael..My guess would be that the answer you are looking for may not be revealed until 'the end', if at all. Until then, it is a matter of speculation, IMO. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~
