Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Jasc Paint Shop Photo Album 5 images]

2005-03-14 Thread Lance Muir
Dave Hansen speaks of Protestantism's excessive (my word) view of hell and damnation. I'm with you on this, Dave. I'd NOT align myself with the views I've seen expressed, in this regard, by DM, Jt, Kevin and, Izzy. The word 'eager' may not be strong enough. I was thinking of beliefs which

Re: Re: [TruthTalk] Fwd: My Daily Insights]]

2005-03-14 Thread Lance Muir
Thanks. - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 13, 2005 20:34 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [TruthTalk] Fwd: My Daily Insights]] - Subject: [Fwd: Fwd: My Daily Insights] I've read this before, and it still brings tears to

[TruthTalk] Narrow way not loving?

2005-03-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
DaveH and Lance, You are arguing with Jesus, not DM, Jt, Kevin and Izzy. You condemn us for believing Jesus. Why is this? To say the we are eager for damnation of anyone who does not agree with our particular theology is a slur (as usual.) Nothing new on TT, I see. Back to my cat hideout!

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not loving?

2005-03-14 Thread Lance Muir
IFF Dave and I (and many others) have a 'more correct' understanding of this issue than yourself (and many, many, many..others) then you are misreading Jesus. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 14, 2005 05:07

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not loving?

2005-03-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
DAVEH says I just don't feel comfortable believing in a God who relishes torture, Lance. I prefer to believe God is loving, merciful and would that all his creation benefit from their existence. I am sure all condemned criminals also prefer Mercy rather than Justice. PS 36:1 The transgression of

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not loving?

2005-03-14 Thread Lance Muir
I know two sets of parents who, at their teen's (16 17 - one boy, one girl)requests, witnessed the departure of those who would not abide by the rules of the respective households. This is somewhat analagous to my understanding of what we're talking about. - Original Message -

RE: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not loving?

2005-03-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
Then why dont you interpret this scripture for us so that we might understand your thinking, Lance? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 5:49 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not loving?

2005-03-14 Thread Lance Muir
OK 'God is not willing that any should perish but, that all should come to repentance' 2 Peter 3 As per: 'Any loving parent would readily accept home a wayward daughter/son' - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 14,

RE: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not loving?

2005-03-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
Are you saying that the scripture you quoted annuls what Jesus said in Matt 7:13-14? If not, please explain what Matt 7:13 means to you. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 9:44 AM To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not loving?

2005-03-14 Thread Lance Muir
Yes, I am saying that! - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 14, 2005 11:00 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"? Are you saying that the scripture you quoted annuls what Jesus said in Matt

RE: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not loving?

2005-03-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
You are saying What??? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 10:02 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not loving? Yes, I am saying that! - Original Message

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not loving?

2005-03-14 Thread Lance Muir
That there is a larger context within which you should be reading Jesus' words. It's the same way that we all wish for our own words to be 'read'/heard. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 14, 2005 11:14 Subject: RE:

RE: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not loving?

2005-03-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
Yes please explain this scripture to us!ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then why don’t you interpret this scripture for us so that we might understand your thinking, Lance? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Monday, March 14,

RE: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not loving?

2005-03-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
While you are at it LANCE, explain these also. Are you saying God will not judge anyone for their sin? Are you a universalist? JUDGEMENT PS 9:8 And he shall judge the world in righteousness, he shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness. PS 110:6 He shall judge among the heathen, he

RE: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not loving?

2005-03-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
Then that makes Jesus a liar as he said MOST are on the road to DESTRUCTION! Who is the real liar?ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying that the scripture you quoted annuls what Jesus said in Matt 7:13-14? If not, please explain what Matt 7:13 means to you. Izzy From:

RE: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not loving?

2005-03-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
Then it annuls a great part of the scriptures, should we start tearing those pages out? Hell bound sinners do not want to acknowledge any fear of God, or his Hell They want to remodel before they move in. The party in Hell has been cancelled due to a great Fire. Can anyone explain just why there

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Jasc Paint Shop Photo Album 5 images]

2005-03-14 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave wrote: I think one of the biggest /problems /(if that is the proper word to use) I have with Protestantism is their view of hell and damnation. I've said it before, but for some of you who are a bit new to TT, I'll give you a brief explanation. It seems to me that Protestants are far

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Jasc Paint Shop Photo Album 5 images]

2005-03-14 Thread ttxpress
What theological perspective is closest to the heart of God(?)...e.g., God thinks like ? On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:21:01 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ||DAVEH: If I am wrong in my beliefs, then would not my perception of my consequences also be in question? I think

[TruthTalk] [Fwd: The Observer UK News No getting stoned in new Bible]

2005-03-14 Thread Terry Clifton
Hey Kevin. Read the link and then tell Lance how many copies to order for you. Terry http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0%2C6903%2C1436392%2C00.html The Observer UK News No getting stoned in new Bible.url Description: Binary data

RE: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not loving?

2005-03-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance: please interpret instead of giving mystical, meaningless explanations. What would be the outcome of the larger context SPECIFICALLY? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 10:29 AM To:

Re: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: The Observer UK News No getting stoned in new Bible]

2005-03-14 Thread ttxpress
good post, T(!) -- it hitsmyfunny bone in the tail :) G On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:36:51 -0600 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey Kevin. Read the link and then tell Lance how many copies to order for you. Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] SEERS can't See

2005-03-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BLAINE: C'mon Kevin, you know what I meant. Your comment tells me you just don't want to discuss what the images of the bearded men could mean. As the article stated, there have been hundreds of such IMAGES found in Meso America. Your tactic of avoiding serious discussion tells the truth

Re: [TruthTalk] SEERS can't See

2005-03-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kevin wrote: Photo's found from 300AD? we thought George Eastman was ahead of his time! BLAINE: C'mon Kevin, you know what I meant. Your comment tells me you just don't want to discuss what the images of the bearded men could mean. As the article stated, there have been hundreds of such

[TruthTalk] to Perry and Kevin

2005-03-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BLAINE: AHA! You could not resist the temptation to get back into the fray of things, Perry! I am laughing! You wanted to just stand off and let Kevin handle/bungle it all, right? Kevin has the virtue of always rising to the occasion, whether he has anything constructive to add or not.