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From: Taylor
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Sent: 2/5/2006 5:51:44 PM
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cd: You are using the work "seal" wrong Bill. ...
In all respect, Dean, yours is an exercise in futilitywith me. I grew up believing that Christians could lose
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Sent: 2/5/2006 5:46:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] An open letter to Dean -- jd
---.to be righteous is to keep God's law- Christ makes us righteous by grace tocleanse our lawlessness-
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From: Dave Hansen
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Sent: 2/6/2006 1:32:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] the FWs about free speech thingy
cd: Davh I make decisions in life due to past experience-as such I will not change a statement until the past belief is
Commandment keeping in I John is given definition several times within that lbrief epistle: love God and the brethren. Righteousness does not come by the law. We only "work our our salvation" because it is God at work in us both to will and to work.Our personal righteousness cannot accomplish the
Thanks for the waste of time
jd
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] An open letter to Dean -- jd
---.to be righteous is to keep God's law- Christ makes us righteous by
DH/CD: DH engaged in an exchange with Iz to which
CD took exception BIG TIME. Threats were actually made. I saw it as much ado
about nothing. DH did not mean what CD took him to mean. Iz actually apologized.
DM, IMO, handled it badly as did Perry.OK guys, enough is
enough.
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I share this from the pen of another:
has anyone here read the corrie ten boom story? there is one point in the story where she is in the nazi concentration camp and she is talking about the infestation of fleas and how miserable the fleas were, biting everybody. they also had smuggled some
Amen to all that the Canadian Pastor has said.
jd
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DH/CD: DH engaged in an exchange with Iz to which CD took exception BIG TIME. Threats were actually made. I saw it as much ado about nothing. DH did not mean
An interesting historical summary.
jd
From: "Joe Gill" [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you were taught (as many Pentecostalists are) that the Spirit's history in the modern church started at Azusa Street, you were, to be blunt, taught very wrong. Pentecostalism had a history before Azusa, just like
Lance, Dean's prayer for more patience is not
any point for your perspective. Asking for MORE patience implies that he
has patience, not that he has no patience. He is simply realizing the
usefulness of having more patience.
We all grow in virtues, and as we do, God
allows us to be tested
IMO YOU read him incorrectly on this matter, David.
IFO commend Dean re: his attitudinal shift. You, David, say many meaningless
things. WE BOTH KNOW DAVID, that YOU sin daily. I would never question your
'working' out and, high level of, moralism. The CD/DH controversy exhibited this
as
I took those thing you mentioned in the
above and compared them to commandments and found none of them were sin-unless
taken into excess.
That's the point, Dean. As soon as
you give people the power to take away salvation, they start making up ways of
doing it.
Thank you for your concern.
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From: Taylor
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Sent: 2/5/2006 5:53:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd 2 cd)
As I said, Dean, you may reference the archives if you would like, but I am not interested it going through it again with you, as I do not
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Cc: Dean Moore
Sent: 2/5/2006 5:50:53 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd 2 cd)
Huh. Apparently I wrote that damn "open letter to Dean" a few hours too soon.
Thanks for being
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Sent: 2/5/2006 11:14:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd 2 cd)
fellowship, in Christ, is already eternal,a key doctrinal essential
cd: Yes- if one stays in fellowship John. No one can remove you from God's
That which continues to interest me is 'FAITH
THINKING' (emphasis on both words). IMO a book bearing the same title (Trevor
Hart) makes inroads so as to facilitate genuine dialogue. Who wants theological
'ping pong'?
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Dean
Moore
To:
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Sent: 2/6/2006 12:07:37 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd 2 cd)
sometimes hard to believe, my friend. Good thing fellowship is not left up to fellows like me (at times.)
jd
cd:
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Yes. One can't detract from our salvation and the Other won't !!
cd: The why did God say such wrong statements? He
..foundational to our eternal security
cd: Respectfully-I wouln't boast ifI were you.Here is your eternal security the bible offers not the one Calvin and Augustine offer. I know because of Jesus I have salvation-ifI die now I have no fear of hell becauseI seek to do those things that
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd 2 cd)
..how aboutpermanently involved with JC, then excommunicated?
cd: Who is permanently involved? You mean those who walk in Holiness-why would
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do you know anyone who has beentemporarilyinvolved in fellowship with God?
cd:Yes-The many in Sardis who defiled their garments-which no one can
cd; Hear -Hear , and well said David.
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From: David Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/6/2006 7:33:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation
Lance, Dean's prayer for more patience is not any point for your perspective. Asking for
You constantanger has brought
us to this are
DAVEH: FWIW..I don't know why you (or any other TTers who may
think similar) think I am angry. FTR..I am NOT angry. Nor do I
rise to anger easily. I just don't quite understand why some TTers
are so quick to ascribe certain things to me,
cdwrites:
those
who walk in Holiness-why would they be excommunicated?
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1Jo 1:6 If we say that
we have fellowship with him, and
walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
True growth requires walking in holiness. DM
Is this "holiness" always apparent to others?
jd
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Lance, Dean's prayer for more patience is not any point for your perspective. Asking for MORE patience implies
A great proof-text, Dean. Maybe your salvation is based upon what you do, but mine is definitely not. There are those who will be judged by what they do -- that is for sure, BUT not all of us will be so judged.
I John 1:7 tells us this: If we walk in the Light two things happen - we have
What would you call "the garments of salvation" JD?
I would say this is the attire you must arrive at the wedding feast in -
that is, if you expect to be invited to stay and partake.
On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 04:47:57 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Did I miss an introduction??!!
Anyway
You have done two things with this post. First, you have made it clear that we are no longer discussing anything -- accusing those who do not agree with you as calling Christ a liar - a lie in and of itself!!!
Secondly, because of your predilection to works and your view of the
In Gal 3:26-27, the attire is Jesus. Why do you ask?
jd
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What would you call "the garments of salvation" JD?
I would say this is the attire you must arrive at the wedding feast in - that is, if you expect
Your tone was not my objection.
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Cc: Dean Moore
Sent: 2/5/2006 5:50:53 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd 2 cd)
Huh. Apparently I wrote that damn "open letter to Dean" a few
Dean, are you not aware that most are disfellowshipped because of what they think and not what they do?
jd
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cdwrites:
those who walk in Holiness-why would they be excommunicated?
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1Jo 1:6 If we say that we have
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cdwrites:
those who walk in Holiness-why would they be excommunicated?
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1Jo 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk
Darkness , in this passage, is NOT sin, Dean because "sin" in this passage is something you possess and to deny this makes you a liar -- verse 8 of I John 1 tells us this.
I gve you an exegetical preview and you give me your static opinion with no regard to the exegetical. Obviously, you will
In I John 1:6-8 , neither "darkness" nor "light " is a reference to sin or the lack thereof. There is a second post coming through. I thought I mailed it but somehow, it wound up in the subject bar of Yahoo search !!! Go figure.
jd
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lol. I am in the twilight zone, out here in California. INo one is going to believe what happened as relates to my posts.
Suffice it to say that I will the two posts again. Disregard this thing.
jd
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Darkness , in this
. That isa great proof-text, Dean [referring to I John 1:6]. Maybe your salvation is based upon what you do, but mine is definitely not. There are those who will be judged by what they do -- that is for sure, BUT not all of us will be so judged.
I John 1:7 tells us this: If we walk in the
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Darkness , in this passage, is NOT sin, Dean because "sin" in this passage is something you possess and to deny this makes you a liar -- verse 8 of I John 1 tells us this.
I gave you an exegetical preview and you gave
I don't think so JD
Gal 3:26,27 "being baptized into Christ" is being baptized into his death,
so what does
this have to do with a wedding garment? judyt
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In Gal 3:26-27, the attire is Jesus. Why do you ask?
jd
Who said anything about wedding garments?
But here is what the text says" -- as many of you as have been immersed into Christ have put on Christ."
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I don't think so JD
Gal 3:26,27 "being baptized into
The Covenant agreement JD is that we die to the flesh and walk in newness
of life.
Those continuing to follow their old fallen flesh nature have not put on
anything, all they
have done is gotten wet. judyt
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Who said anything
"all they have done is gotten wet" Judith H Taylor:
You have one great, if unintentional, sense of humour.
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Taylor
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Sent: February 06, 2006 15:59
Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: [TruthTalk] The
spirit of
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Sent: 2/6/2006 1:36:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd 2 cd)
Dean, are you not aware that most are disfellowshipped because of what they think and not what they do?
jd
cd: No I
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From: Taylor
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Sent: 2/6/2006 7:47:26 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
I took those thing you mentioned in the above and compared them to commandments and found none of them were sin-unless taken into excess.
That's the point,
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Sent: 2/6/2006 12:25:32 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd 2 cd)
You have done two things with this post. First, you have made it clear that we are no longer discussing anything --
Why have you changed subjects? Do you agree that Paul speaks of being clothed with Christ as we immerse ourselves into Him? I actually do not think the Gal passage is speaking of water baptism except as it symbolizes our immersion into Christ.
jd
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Actually, Dean, I have no reason to talk to someone whoclaims I make Jesus a liar. You can go straight to if you think that such opens my heart to what you have to say.
Obviously, this moderator thing went to your head.
You deceived me into thinking that we were having a dialogue. And your
Yes, and if she will send me her address, I will mail her a beautiful set of towels !!
jd
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"all they have done is gotten wet" Judith H Taylor: You have one great, if unintentional, sense of humour.
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My current comments in red below.
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From:
Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 2:41
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Question
Regarding Covenants Salvation
The fact that they had
not even heard of the
in brute reality,
Bro, (you, whoever) walkin' in holiness (or not) has nothin' to do with having
'fellowship w/ JC', below,
thisappears
to be truepartic since you choose tocounter your
ownpriorities(dead set on contra-biblical concerns) w/ brute
biblical
thought
On Mon, 6 Feb 2006
"By identifying YHWH as both the creator of the cosmos and the
redeemer of Israel they safeguarded all their three basic
doctrines: monotheism, election and eschatology. One God, one people of
God, one future for Israel and the whole world. And Paul has now written a
poem in exactly this
Thanks for this, G !!! Gives me something to think about when I get back from dinner. What is the source? Looks like something I need to add to collection ofbooks.
jd
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"By identifying YHWH as both the creator of the cosmos
(my son's notes,
Pastor,gleaned from his blog--more info
forthcoming..eventually:)
On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 03:30:34 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thanks for this, G !!! Gives me something to think about when I get
back from dinner. What is the source? Looks like something I need
to
..ftr,
'perhaps '[one's] ownpriorities(dead set on contra-biblical
concerns)' qualifies the substance of
'darkness'
On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 20:16:24 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
in brute reality,
Bro, (you, whoever) walkin' in holiness (or not) has nothin' to do with having
I will add this poetic pastoral note: one is no more in the dark than when his eyes are closed.
Book release in July !!
jd
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..ftr, 'perhaps '[one's] ownpriorities(dead set on contra-biblical concerns)' qualifies the
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