Re: Email versus IRC

2006-07-07 Thread Geoffrey Winn
For what it's worth, I like that approach too. I'm with Pete on this, in general I dislike IRC, although I can see there are times when it is useful. I particularly like the idea that the subjects for the regular IRC chat should be announced in advance as far as possible. I think that will help a

Re: Email versus IRC

2006-07-06 Thread Venkata Krishnan
+1 and I stick to my earlier suggestion that the topics of discussion be fixed ahead over the mailing list instead of choosing the topics over the list and then actually picking them up for discussion only in the IRC. Choosing them ahead brings in a committment that a topic would surely get disc

Re: Email versus IRC

2006-07-06 Thread Jim Marino
yea that's cool. I just thought if a decision was made on IRC it couldn't be "undone" by a vote on the list. I like the idea of using quick chats to clear out lingering things and then have them ratified on the list. Jim On Jul 6, 2006, at 4:02 PM, Jeremy Boynes wrote: On Jul 6, 2006, a

Re: Email versus IRC

2006-07-06 Thread Kenneth Tam
On 7/6/06, Jeremy Boynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jul 6, 2006, at 3:04 PM, Jim Marino wrote: > > On Jul 6, 2006, at 2:22 PM, Jeremy Boynes wrote: > >> >> We will also hold pre-announced chats at other times so try and >> bring closure to issues that seem to be dragging on in email >> threa

Re: Email versus IRC

2006-07-06 Thread Jeremy Boynes
On Jul 6, 2006, at 3:04 PM, Jim Marino wrote: On Jul 6, 2006, at 2:22 PM, Jeremy Boynes wrote: We will also hold pre-announced chats at other times so try and bring closure to issues that seem to be dragging on in email threads. The point of these is to come to a decision and such out

Re: Email versus IRC

2006-07-06 Thread Jim Marino
On Jul 6, 2006, at 2:22 PM, Jeremy Boynes wrote: I'd like to see if I can recap where this thread went. There seem to be two sets of opinion: 1) that regular scheduled chats are helpful 2) that impromptu, unscheduled chats are helpful In light of this, I'd like to propose the following IRC

Re: Email versus IRC

2006-07-06 Thread Kevin Williams
This sounds good to me. +1 Jeremy Boynes wrote: I'd like to see if I can recap where this thread went. There seem to be two sets of opinion: 1) that regular scheduled chats are helpful 2) that impromptu, unscheduled chats are helpful In light of this, I'd like to propose the following IRC p

Re: Email versus IRC

2006-07-06 Thread Pete Robbins
+1 that just about covers it from my point of view. I'd also be interested in experimenting with a 1hr email session. Email is pretty fast nowadays and refreshing and responding via the mailing list could also work. It would also remove the really annoying thing about IRC which is the loss of con

Re: Email versus IRC

2006-07-06 Thread Jeremy Boynes
I'd like to see if I can recap where this thread went. There seem to be two sets of opinion: 1) that regular scheduled chats are helpful 2) that impromptu, unscheduled chats are helpful In light of this, I'd like to propose the following IRC policy for the project: == We will hold a regula

Re: Email versus IRC

2006-07-06 Thread Jim Marino
You'll get a rise of this: I'm in Rome now and the other day I was out doing my run, all sweaty, in terrible heat, and I run past this women and she asks if I have a lighter for her cigarette :-) Classic Italy. Jim On Jul 6, 2006, at 2:10 AM, Andrew Borley wrote: On 7/6/06, Jim Marino <[

Re: Email versus IRC

2006-07-06 Thread Andrew Borley
On 7/6/06, Jim Marino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: at the squash courts ;-) That's for the healthy, athletic guys - us cooler types hang out behind the bike sheds, smoking woodbines and cracking jokes ;-)

Re: Email versus IRC

2006-07-06 Thread Jim Marino
at the squash courts ;-) On Jul 5, 2006, at 6:14 PM, Jeremy Boynes wrote: On Jul 5, 2006, at 11:37 AM, Jeremy Boynes wrote: On Jul 5, 2006, at 11:10 AM, haleh mahbod wrote: IRC has been a useful tool for timely community brainstorming to handle issues that need quick attention. Right.

Re: Email versus IRC

2006-07-05 Thread Luciano Resende
+1 for including DAS related topics on the IRC Chats. - Luciano "ant elder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 07/05/2006 06:47 AM Please respond to tuscany-dev@ws.apache.org To tuscany-dev@ws.apache.org cc Subject Email versus IRC There's a thread going

Re: Email versus IRC

2006-07-05 Thread Jeremy Boynes
On Jul 5, 2006, at 11:37 AM, Jeremy Boynes wrote: On Jul 5, 2006, at 11:10 AM, haleh mahbod wrote: IRC has been a useful tool for timely community brainstorming to handle issues that need quick attention. Right. That was the basis for saying IRC should be an impromptu, consensus buildin

Re: Email versus IRC

2006-07-05 Thread Jean-Sebastien Delfino
Paul Fremantle wrote: I think IRC is goodness as long as 1. the log gets posted 2. formal votes are done on email Communities that meet regularly on IRC might have an issue if they dont post logs, but if the discussion is posted on email then its a very productive. Paul +1 I find these regul

Re: Email versus IRC

2006-07-05 Thread Pete Robbins
On 05/07/06, Jeremy Boynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jul 5, 2006, at 11:10 AM, haleh mahbod wrote: > IRC has been a useful tool for timely community brainstorming to > handle > issues that need quick attention. > Right. That was the basis for saying IRC should be an impromptu, consensus bu

Re: Email versus IRC

2006-07-05 Thread Jeremy Boynes
On Jul 5, 2006, at 11:10 AM, haleh mahbod wrote: IRC has been a useful tool for timely community brainstorming to handle issues that need quick attention. Right. That was the basis for saying IRC should be an impromptu, consensus building mechanism - there's no need to wait for a schedu

Re: Email versus IRC

2006-07-05 Thread haleh mahbod
IRC has been a useful tool for timely community brainstorming to handle issues that need quick attention. We have started to summarize the chat content on the mailing list in messages that include the IRC chat. That is very useful. It would be good to decide on chat subject before the chat sessi

Re: Email versus IRC

2006-07-05 Thread Simon Nash
I think a weekly one-hour scheduled IRC chat is a good idea, even though my personal record of attendance isn't too good :-( I have scheduled these into my calendar now, whoch should help. The few chats I have been on have been useful, though perhaps closer to decision-making affairs than would

Re: Email versus IRC

2006-07-05 Thread Jeremy Boynes
On Jul 5, 2006, at 8:57 AM, Jim Marino wrote: Ant was just trying to be helpful by gauging what people would like to use IRC for, although I also have to say I didn't interpret Jeremy's previous mail to be advocating a ban on IRC. I did not mean to advocate that. Ironically, Ant and I we

Re: Email versus IRC

2006-07-05 Thread ant elder
AFAICT no one has suggested a ban on IRC, what I'm trying to find out is if we should be continuing with the regularly scheduled weekly chat. If enough people don't think we should be having it then we should stop. Thats a perfectly fine thing to happen if thats what the community want, but its no

Re: Email versus IRC

2006-07-05 Thread Jim Marino
Ant was just trying to be helpful by gauging what people would like to use IRC for, although I also have to say I didn't interpret Jeremy's previous mail to be advocating a ban on IRC. I think there has been a lot of heated discussion on the list lately, and it would probably be good for us

Re: Re: Email versus IRC

2006-07-05 Thread Jeremy Boynes
On 7/5/06, ant elder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Are you saying you'd prefer not to participate, or do you want us all to stop having the weekly chat? Ant, please, that's not what I said at all. I said that, IMO (for what that's worth), I see the main benefit of IRC is its use as tool to help

Re: Email versus IRC

2006-07-05 Thread ant elder
Are you saying you'd prefer not to participate, or do you want us all to stop having the weekly chat? ...ant On 7/5/06, Jeremy Boynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7/5/06, ant elder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There's a thread going on over on incubator-general about the use of IRC: > http:

Re: Email versus IRC

2006-07-05 Thread Jeremy Boynes
On 7/5/06, ant elder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There's a thread going on over on incubator-general about the use of IRC: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=11511128601&r=1&w=2 Are people happy with having our current weekly hour long IRC chat? I find the chat a useful way to find whats going o

Re: Email versus IRC

2006-07-05 Thread kelvin goodson
I can see merit in an SDO chat and I like the idea publishing the chat topics and summarising the chat log. For me that would enable me to work smarter, since I could decide ahead of time whether to attend the wider meeting or catch up later by reading the log summary. Hopefully the net time spe

Re: Email versus IRC

2006-07-05 Thread Jim Marino
On Jul 5, 2006, at 3:04 AM, ant elder wrote: There's a thread going on over on incubator-general about the use of IRC: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=11511128601&r=1&w=2 Are people happy with having our current weekly hour long IRC chat? I find the chat a useful way to find whats goin

Re: Email versus IRC

2006-07-05 Thread Venkata Krishnan
Hi I have found the chat logs useful to catch up with the discussions. But then we must be more choosy about the sort of topics we discuss. In my opinion the chat must be reserved for subjects that simply cannot be allowed to drag over for days, over the mailing lists. It would be good if we c

Re: Email versus IRC

2006-07-05 Thread Paul Fremantle
I think IRC is goodness as long as 1. the log gets posted 2. formal votes are done on email Communities that meet regularly on IRC might have an issue if they dont post logs, but if the discussion is posted on email then its a very productive. Paul On 7/5/06, ant elder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot

Email versus IRC

2006-07-05 Thread ant elder
There's a thread going on over on incubator-general about the use of IRC: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=11511128601&r=1&w=2 Are people happy with having our current weekly hour long IRC chat? I find the chat a useful way to find whats going on and gauge peoples opinions. A 1 hour chat isn't