Re: [TV orNotTV] Quickie Review: Conan O’Brien Must Go

[Jim Ellwanger]

He has Jordan Schlansky to play off of in the second episode (Argentina).

> On Apr 21, 2024, at 9:48 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:
> 
> I like Conan’s road segments on his late night shows, so these are pleasant 
> for me. I feel like, at times, he should have Andy or Sona or someone with 
> him to play off of, but overall there were a lot of laughs in the Norway 
> episode. I needed extra laughs this week. 
> 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] 'Suits' Comes to OTA Years After the Fact

[Jim Ellwanger]

KCOP's not even using the "My" branding anymore - they're currently branded as 
"Fox 11 Plus."

> On Apr 17, 2024, at 3:10 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
>  wrote:
> 
> Perusing through Wiki's MyTV article, and clicking on individual affiliates, 
> many of them at least use the background logo, if not the distinct "my"...
> B
> 
> Mark Jeffries, in part, April 16th:
> Let's be honest:  Do any MyTV affils outside of Fox-owned stations like WWOR 
> NY, WPWR Chicago and KCOP LA even brand themselves with the remnant name from 
> when Fox owned MySpace these days?
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Re: [TV orNotTV] 'SNL' Origin Story Movie May Be Coming

[Jim Ellwanger]

The names I recognized off the top of my head (along with Simmons, Wolfhard, 
and Batiste): Cooper Hoffman is the son of Philip Seymour Hoffman (and was in 
"Licorice Pizza"); Rachel Sennott starred in and co-wrote an R-rated comedy 
called "Bottoms" that I really liked last year; Lamorne Morris was just in the 
most recent season of "Fargo"; Nicholas Braun has been in a ton of stuff 
including "Succession"; Kaia Gerber is Cindy Crawford's daughter (and was also 
in "Bottoms").


> On Mar 30, 2024, at 2:42 PM, 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is it just my deliberate avoidance of Flavors of the Month, or is the 
> "stacked" cast in the linked article anything -but- "stacked?" Other than 
> Simmons and Wolfhard (whose name I had to look up), has anyone head of any of 
> these people?
> 
> And, yes, I will watch/see it, and yes, I will hate it.
> 
> --Dave Sikula
> 
> On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 8:42:28 AM UTC-7 Bob Jersey wrote:
> The project will be scored by already-late-night-legend Jon Batiste, who will 
> also play the series' first musical guest, Billy Preston (he might need... 
> ahem... augmentation...)... a recap of other cast is further down the page...
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/snl-1975-jon-batiste-score-billy-preston-jason-reitman-1235861871/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Jeopardy/Chase crossover

[Jim Ellwanger]

Her fellow chaser Brandon Blackwell, who played in the 2008 Teen Tournament, 
will be appearing on Wednesday's show.

> On Mar 26, 2024, at 1:04 PM, Tom Wolper  wrote:
> 
> On Friday Victoria Groce, the Queen on The Chase, will be playing Jeopardy in 
> the invitational tournament. She was on Jeopardy 20 years ago. She said The 
> Chase hasn’t been renewed but it hasn’t been canceled either.
> 
> https://triblive.com/aande/movies-tv/tv-talk-pittsburgher-the-chase-star-back-on-jeopardy-20-years-later-ptl-turns-20/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "Snowpiercer" final season to AMC

[Jim Ellwanger]

The movie was by the same director who did "Parasite," and deals with similar 
themes of class warfare. (I think it's only a remake of "The Wizard of Oz" in 
the sense that any movie in which several people team up while on a journey to 
do battle with someone is a remake of "The Wizard of Oz.") The TV show expands 
on the world in which the movie is set, and I think it does it pretty 
effectively, especially in the first two seasons.

Kevin hates everything, so take what he says with a grain of salt -- and my 
email address is "trainman," so take what I say with a grain of salt, too.


> On Mar 16, 2024, at 7:57 AM, Kevin M.  wrote:
> 
> The movie upon which the series was based was a horrible remake of the Wizard 
> of Oz only set in a train and including machine guns. I wouldn’t recommend it.
> 
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
> 
> 
> On Sat, Mar 16, 2024 at 7:55 AM Marti Lawrence  > wrote:
>> I have heard of this program, but don't know much about it. Is it worth 
>> watching?
>> 
>> ~Marti
>> 
>> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 9:14:39 AM UTC-5 Bob Jersey wrote:
>>> It was done before all the housecleaning precursorily to the WBD merger; 
>>> the originally-TNT first three seasons will drop on AMC+ this year, with 
>>> the fourth débuting early 2025...
>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/snowpiercer-final-season-amc-1235852718/
>>>  (link)
>>> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Paramount sells half billion in assets

[Jim Ellwanger]

Looks like this is a subsidiary in India, so it would only apply to the Indian 
versions of MTV and Comedy Central.

> On Mar 14, 2024, at 7:25 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:
> 
> Unless I’m misreading the tea leaves, when all this shakes out, I think 
> Disney could end up in control of MTV and Comedy Central? 
> 
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/paramount-global-sells-stake-in-viacom18-1235851971/amp/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] New Amazon quiz show to get second window at Fox

[Jim Ellwanger]

The “Price Is Right” taping I went to back in September took quite a bit longer 
than that, mostly thanks to two extended stopdowns due to issues with the 
pricing games (the monitor wasn’t working on “Card Game,” and they’d forgotten 
to attach the sign to “Rat Race”).


> On Mar 4, 2024, at 8:11 PM, Mark Jeffries  wrote:
> 
> And even with the edits they do nowadays, I believe that Fremantle can still 
> finish a "Price is Right" in 90 minutes.  Of course, back in the Bob Barker 
> days, Phil and Rog took exactly an hour unless there were really bad screwups.
> 
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> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 10:05 PM Jim Ellwanger  <mailto:train...@ellwanger.tv>> wrote:
>> It's not so much the call time itself as it is the fact that the call time 
>> is so early because 1) there are 100 contestants, and 2) they're taking a 
>> full day to produce one hour's worth of game show.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 4, 2024, at 7:53 PM, Mark Jeffries >> <mailto:spotligh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> A 6:30 a.m. call time for contestants for a game show.
>>> 
>>> Mark Goodson, Merrill Heatter, Bob Quigley, Stefan Hatos, Monty Hall and 
>>> Chuck Barris are all doing the Lambada in their graves.
>>> 
>>> Mark Jeffries
>>> Saints Spotlight Editor
>>> spotligh...@gmail.com <mailto:spotligh...@gmail.com>
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 4:32 PM Jim Ellwanger >> <mailto:train...@ellwanger.tv>> wrote:
>>>> I tried out for "The 1% Club" back in May 2023 - actually, I tried out for 
>>>> "untitled quiz show for a major streaming service," but based on the 
>>>> questions that were asked during the Zoom tryout, I figured out what show 
>>>> it was (and found episodes of the Australian version, which is hosted by 
>>>> comedian Jim Jeffries, to watch so I knew exactly what it would be like).
>>>> 
>>>> It was originally scheduled to tape in July 2023, but ended up being 
>>>> pushed back to February 2024 by the strikes. Unfortunately, they ended up 
>>>> only wanting me as a standby contestant, which would have meant having to 
>>>> sit around for 8+ hours and getting paid a whole $100, so it wasn't worth 
>>>> taking a day off from my actual job. (They also gave me less than one 
>>>> day's notice for wanting me at Television City for a 6:30 A.M. call time.)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 4, 2024, at 1:38 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
>>>>> mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The 1% Club, Patton Oswalt's first-ever hosting gig, adapting a British 
>>>>> show co-produced by BBC but airing on itv, had been ordered to series by 
>>>>> Prime Video in '23...
>>>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/patton-oswalt-1-percent-club-game-show-amazon-fox-1235842137/
>>>>>  (link)
>>>>> Elsewhere on the Oswalt front, at the MPSE (film/video editors) awards, 
>>>>> he called himself out as "the a--hole that forced you to take out a 
>>>>> second mortgage on your home" during the strikes, and delivered a zinger 
>>>>> about Daddy Zaslav...
>>>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/patton-oswalt-david-zaslav-coyote-vs-acme-1235842255/
>>>>>  (link)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] New Amazon quiz show to get second window at Fox

[Jim Ellwanger]

It's not so much the call time itself as it is the fact that the call time is 
so early because 1) there are 100 contestants, and 2) they're taking a full day 
to produce one hour's worth of game show.


> On Mar 4, 2024, at 7:53 PM, Mark Jeffries  wrote:
> 
> A 6:30 a.m. call time for contestants for a game show.
> 
> Mark Goodson, Merrill Heatter, Bob Quigley, Stefan Hatos, Monty Hall and 
> Chuck Barris are all doing the Lambada in their graves.
> 
> Mark Jeffries
> Saints Spotlight Editor
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> 
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 4:32 PM Jim Ellwanger  <mailto:train...@ellwanger.tv>> wrote:
>> I tried out for "The 1% Club" back in May 2023 - actually, I tried out for 
>> "untitled quiz show for a major streaming service," but based on the 
>> questions that were asked during the Zoom tryout, I figured out what show it 
>> was (and found episodes of the Australian version, which is hosted by 
>> comedian Jim Jeffries, to watch so I knew exactly what it would be like).
>> 
>> It was originally scheduled to tape in July 2023, but ended up being pushed 
>> back to February 2024 by the strikes. Unfortunately, they ended up only 
>> wanting me as a standby contestant, which would have meant having to sit 
>> around for 8+ hours and getting paid a whole $100, so it wasn't worth taking 
>> a day off from my actual job. (They also gave me less than one day's notice 
>> for wanting me at Television City for a 6:30 A.M. call time.)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 4, 2024, at 1:38 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
>>> mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The 1% Club, Patton Oswalt's first-ever hosting gig, adapting a British 
>>> show co-produced by BBC but airing on itv, had been ordered to series by 
>>> Prime Video in '23...
>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/patton-oswalt-1-percent-club-game-show-amazon-fox-1235842137/
>>>  (link)
>>> Elsewhere on the Oswalt front, at the MPSE (film/video editors) awards, he 
>>> called himself out as "the a--hole that forced you to take out a second 
>>> mortgage on your home" during the strikes, and delivered a zinger about 
>>> Daddy Zaslav...
>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/patton-oswalt-david-zaslav-coyote-vs-acme-1235842255/
>>>  (link)
>>> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] New Amazon quiz show to get second window at Fox

[Jim Ellwanger]

I tried out for "The 1% Club" back in May 2023 - actually, I tried out for 
"untitled quiz show for a major streaming service," but based on the questions 
that were asked during the Zoom tryout, I figured out what show it was (and 
found episodes of the Australian version, which is hosted by comedian Jim 
Jeffries, to watch so I knew exactly what it would be like).

It was originally scheduled to tape in July 2023, but ended up being pushed 
back to February 2024 by the strikes. Unfortunately, they ended up only wanting 
me as a standby contestant, which would have meant having to sit around for 8+ 
hours and getting paid a whole $100, so it wasn't worth taking a day off from 
my actual job. (They also gave me less than one day's notice for wanting me at 
Television City for a 6:30 A.M. call time.)


> On Mar 4, 2024, at 1:38 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
>  wrote:
> 
> The 1% Club, Patton Oswalt's first-ever hosting gig, adapting a British show 
> co-produced by BBC but airing on itv, had been ordered to series by Prime 
> Video in '23...
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/patton-oswalt-1-percent-club-game-show-amazon-fox-1235842137/
>  (link)
> Elsewhere on the Oswalt front, at the MPSE (film/video editors) awards, he 
> called himself out as "the a--hole that forced you to take out a second 
> mortgage on your home" during the strikes, and delivered a zinger about Daddy 
> Zaslav...
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/patton-oswalt-david-zaslav-coyote-vs-acme-1235842255/
>  (link)
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Super Bowl Ratings

[Jim Ellwanger]

I was at a friends’ apartment watching on good old-fashioned Spectrum cable. 
Some other people in the complex were loudly cheering for things about 45 
seconds after we’d seen them, so I assume they were watching on Paramount+ or 
some other streaming option.


> On Feb 12, 2024, at 7:56 PM, Stan S  wrote:
> 
> I got annoyed by the delay on Spectrum so I switched to plain old antenna. I 
> remain unmeasurable. 
> 
> -Stan
> 
> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 10:34:47 PM UTC-5 Kevin M. wrote:
>> What verifiable data is being supplied to or by Nielsen to support these 
>> numbers? I feel like the networks and streamers distrust ratings unless the 
>> numbers serve them. And I’ve not seen evidence that streaming services are 
>> sharing user data needed to accurately report ratings.
>> 
>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 7:31 PM PGage > wrote:
>>> Puck News’ Matt Belloni predicted  123.1M - pretty close to reported 123.4.
>>> 
>>> It was a fabulous game.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Fox, WBD, Disney to Team Up for Possible Game-Changing Sports Streaming App

[Jim Ellwanger]

It also doesn't appear to include local MLB, NBA, and NHL broadcasts (aside 
from out-of-market NHL broadcasts that are already available on ESPN+). If they 
could get the in-market streaming rights to those -- which would involve 
negotiations with the teams and the current rights holders, e.g., Bally Sports 
in some areas -- it would be a definite cable killer.

> On Feb 6, 2024, at 2:04 PM, Mark Jeffries  wrote:
> 
> As you've probably figured out, this doesn't include--as of now--CBS' NFL and 
> NCAA coverage.
> 
> On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 4:00:46 PM UTC-6 Mark Jeffries wrote:
>> The service, to come in the fall, will have MLB (except the AppleTV+ and 
>> Peacock packages), NFL (except Sunday Night Football), NBA and NHL games, 
>> along with a ton of college games (including the NCAA men's and women's 
>> basketball tourneys) and whatever else the Worldwide Leader can throw in--no 
>> name, launch date or pricing announced:
>> 
>> https://www.thewrap.com/fox-warner-bros-discovery-disney-sports-streaming-joint-venture/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Amazon Prime Starting Ads on Jan. 29

[Jim Ellwanger]

“Hazbin Hotel” actually had no preroll ads, but did have one 15-second ad in 
the middle of each episode (at a natural-ish break point). I wonder if Amazon 
is doing some A/B testing on ad placement.


> On Feb 3, 2024, at 3:33 PM, PGage  wrote:
> 
> As promised, ads started this week on Amazon. I started and finished “Mr and 
> Mrs Smith over last few days (2 thumbs up, so much better than the movie) and 
> found the ads to be just this side of tolerable. They do not interrupt the 
> program, and there is only 1 or 2 of them at the start of each episode, 
> mostly (not only) for Amazon stuff, nothing too obnoxious. 
> 
> It may get worse, as I am prepared for them to try to slowly increase the 
> number of ad minutes, but for now will probably continue to save the 
> $4/month. 
> 
> It does rob the viewer of one of the main pleasures of streaming, for me 
> anyway, which is to go directly into the next episode without interruption. I 
> wonder if there is less marathoning with ad supported streaming?
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Siwa Replaces Lythgoe on 'Dance' Panel

[Jim Ellwanger]

"Trans"? As far as I can tell, JoJo Siwa is still using she/her pronouns. She 
announced a couple years ago that the proper label for her sexuality is 
"pansexual," but that's something different than being trans.

> On Jan 28, 2024, at 7:17 AM, Mark Jeffries  wrote:
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> JoJo Siwa, the trans Nickelodeon star and singer, will be replacing "So You 
> Think You Can Dance" creator Nigel Lythgoe on the Fox reality comp's panel 
> this season after accusations by Paula Abdul regarding alleged sexual 
> improprieties--oh goody, Gutfeld now can say tasteless things about her and 
> preface them with that old "Fox News is not Fox Broadcasting" crap:
> 
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/jojo-siwa-so-you-think-you-can-dance-nigel-lythgoe-1235808518/#recipient_hashed=04cc8432e89af1614e2b95d666f830a827568c45d7e9abbbd46ed84bf99ddfc7_salt=f8f1afe78c2d990c75c3121d1fa116315cbb1eda09b65c89df333468970da653
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Quickie Review: Masters of the Air

[Jim Ellwanger]

When I first saw the title, I thought it was going to be about the early days 
of radio broadcasting, but then realized I was confusing it with a 30-year-old 
nonfiction book (and Ken Burns documentary) called "Empire of the Air."

> On Jan 26, 2024, at 9:24 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:
> 
> Let’s tell a WWII drama where all the guys dress alike, then give the two 
> lead characters the same names. That won’t be pointlessly confusing at all. 
> 
> What is Tom Hanks putting in his coffee? 
> 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Buzzy Cohen to host J! after all

[Jim Ellwanger]

If you go to the "Champions Wildcard" page, below the photos of today's 
contestants, it does promote the play-in games with a link to TuneIn. (On the 
TuneIn page, I don't see an obvious link to listen on demand to the two 
episodes that have already been released.)


https://www.jeopardy.com/track/2024/champions-wildcard-s39



> On Jan 22, 2024, at 11:14 AM, Tom Wolper  wrote:
> 
> It’s odd that there is no mention of this at all on Jeopardy.com
> 
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 8:28 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
> mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>> But only two play-in episodes for the Champions Wildcard tournament, and 
>> they're audio-only on TuneIn, some of whose content is paywalled (these 
>> aren't)...
>> https://www.lehighvalleylive.com/tv/2024/01/jeopardys-buzzy-cohen-takes-over-hosting-duties-after-mayim-bialik-steps-down.html
>>  (article in my local paper, from sister org NJ.com)
>> https://tunein.com/podcasts/Jeopardy-Champions-Wildcard-Play-In-On-Demand-p3926397/?topicId=366938999
>>  (the episodes themselves)
>> 
>> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] 'SNL' Origin Story Movie May Be Coming

[Jim Ellwanger]

Hey, for the scenes from the first episode, they can get that AI George Carlin 
to play George Carlin!

> On Jan 19, 2024, at 10:23 PM, Mark Jeffries  wrote:
> 
> Written and directed by Jason Reitman for Sony, "SNL 1975" tells the story 
> behind-the-scenes of the weeks before the NBC late-night institution began 
> its run--Gabriel LaBelle, who played the Spielberg stand-in in "The 
> Fabelmans," is playing Lorne, with Cooper Hoffman ("Licorice Pizza") as 
> Lorne's immediate NBC boss Dick Ebersol and Rachel Sennott ("The Idol," 
> "Bottoms") as Rosie Schuster, Lorne's wife and a writer on the show--the 
> question is, who's playing the Not Ready for Prime Time Players:
> 
> https://deadline.com/2024/01/the-fablemans-gabriel-labelle-lorne-michaels-snl-1975-cooper-hoffman-rachel-sennott-1235797505/
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> And of course Sikula and Marousek will hate it.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] CW unveils new branding

[Jim Ellwanger]

Correct, WPHL is owned by Nexstar, so it was natural that the affiliation would 
move over there.


> On Jan 16, 2024, at 9:17 AM, M-D November  wrote:
> 
> With the end of the Arrowverse, I think the only thing left that I watch 
> regularly on The CW is "Whose Line...?", but even that'll be going away soon. 
>  And come to think of it, I'm not even sure where the CW affiliation went in 
> Philly - I know that with the split from CBS, WPSG/57 is back to being 
> branded as "Philly 57"...did it go to PHL17?
> 
> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 11:36:31 AM UTC-5 Mark Jeffries wrote:
>> And the CDub has added "The Conners" reruns to the lineup, but running it 
>> once a week.  There have to be people at ABC who just want to wring Tom 
>> Werner's neck for this deal, because it makes it look like the show moved 
>> first-run to CW when it didn't.
>> 
>> Mark Jeffries
>> spotl...@gmail.com <>
>> 
>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 4:58 PM Kevin M. > wrote:
>>> They are literally giving their programming the hook 
>>> 
>>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 2:45 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
>>> > wrote:
 The "The" will be partly dropped by controlling owner Nexstar, and the 
 logo will look thicker and change to a hot color... 
 https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/the-cw-new-branding-logo-look-critics-choice-awards-1235870260/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Jeopardy! UK - the Stephen Fry Edition

[Jim Ellwanger]

Three rounds of "Jeopardy!" in a one-hour slot is not unknown to Americans - 
that's the format of the prime-time "Celebrity Jeopardy!" series. (In that 
case, dollar amounts are 1x/2x/3x, although the first round values are $100 to 
$500 - on regular "Jeopardy!", the first round values have been $200 to $1,000 
since 2001.)

I saw the first UK episode, and to me, the very weirdest thing is that there's 
no commercial break in the middle of the first two rounds, but there IS a 
commercial break in the middle of the Double Jeopardy! round - seems like you'd 
want to play the most high-stakes round all the way through with no break in 
order to maximize tension. (And then there's no commercial break between that 
round and Final Jeopardy!, although it was pretty clear that there was an edit 
while the contestants formulated their wagers.)

> On Jan 8, 2024, at 10:22 AM, Adam Bowie  wrote:
> 
> ITV has been airing their new Stephen Fry-hosted episodes of Jeopardy! They 
> only placed an initial order of 20 episodes which are airing at 4pm weekdays 
> just ahead of The Chase. But the first episode did get a slightly later 
> airing on New Year's Day. But that timeslot is probably going to limit their 
> audience a bit. However, ITV's afternoons from 3-6pm are all hour-long 
> quizshow formats.
> 
> I've not seen enough of the original Jeopardy! to know how it's very 
> different. To my eyes, the sets, graphics, and music are all the same. But 
> ITV has stretched episodes out to an hour. And you need to remember that UK 
> broadcasting rules prohibit stuffing as many minutes of commercial airtime in 
> our shows as the US allows. In other words, one UK commercial hour needs more 
> content than two US commercial half hours - or two episodes of Jeopardy!
> 
> All of this means that Fry can be a bit more relaxed, and add a few 
> interjections of his own - clarifying answers, adding details and so on. And 
> we get longish chats with contestants, which most of the 45-60 min quizshows 
> tend to include. He also has to be a tiny bit lenient about contestants 
> getting the answer format 100% right, since it's not built into UK viewers 
> DNA just yet.
> 
> The hour runtime also means we get *two* rounds of Jeopardy! before we get to 
> Double Jeopardy! and then Final Jeopardy! as usual. A Radio Times puff piece 
> included this:
> 
> "As Fry mentioned, participants are able to play an extra round in comparison 
> to the original format. This has been done to increase the stakes for the 
> players."
> 
> But it's pretty clear that ITV wanted an hour long show, and that's the sole 
> reason for the extra round.
> 
> Overall, while I like Fry, and the level of questions is high, I'm not sure 
> how well this will do. I think it needs a longer run. I can't say I'll be 
> going out of my way to watch it. Fry has also recorded six primetime episodes 
> for Australian TV, on the same UK set, but with Australian contestants. 
> 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] cable lineup superfluousness

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Right - once upon a time, SyFy was only available on 17 in SD. Then they added 
it in HD on 111. Then they eliminated SD, but now duplicate SyFy in HD on both 
17 and 111. That’s either so people won’t complain about having to remember a 
new channel number, or because their carriage contract with NBCUniversal says 
SyFy has to be in a specific channel range (or maybe both).


> On Dec 22, 2023, at 3:04 PM, Jon Delfin  wrote:
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> all of the channels I cited are HD, at least with my hardware and service tier
> 
> On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 1:57 PM Jim Ellwanger  <mailto:train...@ellwanger.tv>> wrote:
>> Going back around 25 years (I first had “digital cable” in 1998) -- the 
>> channels in the 2-99 range were the traditional “analog” cable channels, and 
>> the 3-digit channels were “digital,” which eventually became “HD.”
>> 
>> Many cable systems no longer transmit analog signals, but they duplicate the 
>> digital/HD channels in the 2-digit range so people don’t have to learn new 
>> channel numbers if they don’t want to (and, perhaps, due to carriage 
>> contracts that specify channel locations).
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 22, 2023, at 1:49 PM, Jon Delfin >> <mailto:jondel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've been looking over alternative cable TV plans lately, and looking at 
>>> the channels menu, I see many of them have two locations in the list
>>> 
>>> there are theoretically numerical groups (the 200s are news channels, the 
>>> 500s are HBO/SHO/etc.), but this is random; SyFy can be viewed on 17 and 
>>> 111, IFC on 81 and 627
>>> 
>>> all duped channels are on the same tiers, so anybody whose package includes 
>>> one of the channels can also access the other
>>> 
>>> other than upping the number of "channels offered" in their advertising, is 
>>> there anything about this that matters to the viewer or to the cable 
>>> company?
>>> 
>>> thanks
>>> and merry/happy/other to all
>>> 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] cable lineup superfluousness

[Jim Ellwanger]

Going back around 25 years (I first had “digital cable” in 1998) -- the 
channels in the 2-99 range were the traditional “analog” cable channels, and 
the 3-digit channels were “digital,” which eventually became “HD.”

Many cable systems no longer transmit analog signals, but they duplicate the 
digital/HD channels in the 2-digit range so people don’t have to learn new 
channel numbers if they don’t want to (and, perhaps, due to carriage contracts 
that specify channel locations).


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> 
> I've been looking over alternative cable TV plans lately, and looking at the 
> channels menu, I see many of them have two locations in the list
> 
> there are theoretically numerical groups (the 200s are news channels, the 
> 500s are HBO/SHO/etc.), but this is random; SyFy can be viewed on 17 and 111, 
> IFC on 81 and 627
> 
> all duped channels are on the same tiers, so anybody whose package includes 
> one of the channels can also access the other
> 
> other than upping the number of "channels offered" in their advertising, is 
> there anything about this that matters to the viewer or to the cable company?
> 
> thanks
> and merry/happy/other to all
> 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Warners wants to screw up Paramount, too

[Jim Ellwanger]

Of course, my first thought is… this means even more movies and TV shows will 
be withdrawn from circulation in order for them to take tax write-offs to 
produce the merger savings they promised to investors.


> On Dec 21, 2023, at 1:56 PM, PGage  wrote:
> 
> Rumors about this have been swirling for a while. The Puck News folks have 
> been discussing pros and cons of Zaz going after Paramount Global or its 
> parent company, National Amusements ( with corporate finance issues at stake 
> way above my ability to even pretend to decode), and the original Axios story 
> on this says that it still could go either way.
> 
> Of course WBD itself will likely eventually be breaking itself into pieces 
> and selling off to someone like Comcast. So this could be CBS and Showtime 
> merging with CNN and HBO and then with NBC (that is the merger that will have 
> real antitrust hurdles).
> 
> The Feds will have to sort through the competition issues, but really 
> consolidation in the television+streaming business at least (not so sure 
> about film production) is inevitable and probably desirable. I will be happy 
> to only subscribe to a combined Max+Paramount,rather than two, hopefully with 
> at least some net price break.
> 
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> On Wed, 20 Dec 2023 at 3:00 PM Kevin M.  > wrote:
>> Merger talks are underway.
>> 
>> Someone in government has to cry “monopoly” at some point, don’t they?
>> 
>> https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/warner-bros-discovery-paramount-merger-talks-1235847958/
>> 
>> 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NoTV: 'The Last DJ' Dies at 75

[Jim Ellwanger]

I read his book years ago and found it very entertaining, although a bit 
annoying to read because he used fake call letters for all the radio stations, 
and fake names for pretty much everyone (understandable in particular because 
of things he said about most of the corporate folks he worked with). These 
days, I’m sure there’s a translation guide out there somewhere.

> On Dec 19, 2023, at 2:30 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:
> 
> Jim Ladd was integral to my childhood, and continued to be a fixture of my 
> adult life as well. I was a young KMET (“little bit of heaven, 94.7, KMET … 
> tweedle dee”) listener and remember the pain when they became “The Wave”. I 
> remember the joy of rediscovering him on KLOS, and then the pain returned 
> when he was fired.
> 
> I sensed something was wrong with his health when he sold is home in the 
> Canyon and his satellite radio show was cut back to one day a week. 
> 
> I have cassette tapes of shows where I’d call in and request a single song, 
> and Jim Ladd would build on it with a thematic set of songs that he would 
> play long into the night. In terms of disc jockeys, Jim Ladd and Dr Demento 
> genuinely shaped my musical sensibilities. 
> 
> I have an autographed copy of his book, but his legacy is the music he played 
> and the community he built, formed of people who would never meet but were 
> united in song. 
> 
> The tribal drum is silent. But the spirit lives on. 
> 
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
> 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 10:50 AM Mark Jeffries  > wrote:
>> In an over 50-year career in radio, most of it at album rock stations in Los 
>> Angeles, Jim Ladd fought to be able to play the music he liked when he 
>> wanted to as album rock radio moved away from its pioneering "free form" 
>> days to tighter researched playlists, often going head-to-head with his 
>> bosses and listeners and inspiring Tom Petty to write his song "The Last DJ" 
>> as a tribute to him--after getting laid off from KLOS (in his second stint 
>> there) in 2011, he spent the last twelve years of his life at SiriusXM with 
>> a nightly live show on the Deep Tracks channel, getting the sort of freedom 
>> he rarely got elsewhere:
>> 
>> https://www.dailynews.com/2023/12/18/jim-ladd-legendary-dj-for-kmet-and-klos-dies-at-75/
>> 
>> A tribute from radio consultant Fred Jacobs, who had his battles with Mr. 
>> Ladd over the years (including his refusal to play Elton John songs):
>> 
>> https://jacobsmedia.com/there-goes-the-last-dj/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Rebrand of Showtime now set for Jan 8th

[Jim Ellwanger]

DirecTV still has a suite of linear Showtime multiplex channels: Shoetime 2, 
Showtime Extreme, Showtime Family, etc. I haven’t seen any indication of 
branding changes for those channels, if any.

I have the full Paramount+ with Showtime package (via a Black Friday deal 
through Verizon). The live streaming only includes the East and West feed of 
the main Showtime channel. 

The Paramount+ app on Apple TV works fine for me. My only issue is that the 
promos that play at the beginning of shows/movies are not skippable - other 
streaming services don’t have those (on their ad-free tier) or allow skipping 
them.


> On Dec 11, 2023, at 4:18 PM, PGage  wrote:
> 
> I access Showtine via P+ streaming, so can’t answer this. But will take the 
> opportunity to say that it is now clear, without any doubt, the worst 
> streaming experience is with Paramount.  Actually like much of their content, 
> but streaming has become almost impossible. I have often documented my hatred 
> for commercials, but I have taken to watching Amazing Race on YouTube TV and 
> FF ads rather than try to suffer with the horrid performance of the App. 
> Quite a contrast to Peacock, which is far from perfect, but I always watch 
> The Voice and SNL on Peacock.
> 
> Sent from Gmail Mobile
> 
> 
> On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 at 10:45 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
> mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>> An instructional 'toob is provided with this THR article, but my recent 
>> memory of SHO was as a multiplex of channels... is only the primary one 
>> impacted by this?
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/showtime-linear-channel-rebrand-paramount-plus-with-showtime-january-1235737675/
>>  (link)
>> 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] D!sney testing multiple, simultaneous, Monday Night Football games

[Jim Ellwanger]

So people don't have to click through: they've done staggered start times in 
the past, but this is apparently the first time they've had the game on ABC and 
the game on ESPN kick off at the same time (and the first time Peyton and Eli 
have watched both games on the ESPN2 broadcast).

Yes, the Fox and CBS rules experts handle multiple games on Sunday afternoons 
(and all the various networks' rules experts are on multiple college games on 
Saturday).


> On Dec 4, 2023, at 1:55 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
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> One week from tonight (Dec 11th). @Buck, Aikman and Salters will be at 
> Packers-Giants on ABC, while ESPN puts Fowler, Riddick, Orlovsky and Rutledge 
> on Titans-Dolphins... rules expert John Parry will have to serve both games 
> (something other nets may or may not have done Sundays?), and even more 
> staggeringly, Peyton and Eli will as well...
> https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/disney-tests-monday-night-football-simulcast-espn-abc-1235820816/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] J! contestants fail to recognize Led Zeppelin... X reacts

[Jim Ellwanger]

The failure to identify Garth Brooks is also mentioned in the article that Bob 
linked.

I've heard some "Jeopardy!" contestants say (or complain) that they can't see 
the video clues as well as the home viewers, since they're looking across the 
stage at monitors on either side of the game board.


> On Dec 1, 2023, at 7:40 PM, Steve Timko  wrote:
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> I watch Jeopardy! clips on TikTok and no contestant could identify Garth 
> Brooks in a $200 clue.
> 
> On Fri, Dec 1, 2023, 7:01 PM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV 
> mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>> Not sure that the complete societal failure referenced in the URL is the 
>> Triple Stumper (or whatever the unofficial name for that is called) on the 
>> Zep, given the continued existence of 'X'
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> 
>> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 06:51:58 PM PST, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
>> mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
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>> 
>> https://www.fox5ny.com/news/jeopardy-fans-dumbfounded-when-contestants-cant-recognize-legendary-rockers-a-complete-societal-failure
>>  (link)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Fox's Mid-Season

[Jim Ellwanger]

“The Simpsons” has already been airing new episodes this season, so that’s not really a season premiere, more like “a return after ‘Grimsburg’ has been in its regular time slot for a while.”Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 22, 2023, at 10:49 AM, Tom Wolper  wrote:I was a bit thrown by no mention of The Simpsons so I went to the Fox press release to see what was going on. The new season will premiere on February 18.https://www.foxflash.com/releases/view/fox-announces-premiere-dates-for-new-and-returning-series-to-launch-winter-2024On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 12:20 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:It always says something when there's only one night of all-live action scripted programming on the schedule and it won't be until March.Meanwhile, according to Too Much TV, Fox's post-strikes schedule begins similar to the current schedule on Tues. Jan. 2 with the new game show from "Voice" creator John DeMol "The Floor," hosted by Rob Lowe and shot in Ireland, following "Name That Tune." The next night, it's a new season of "I Can See Your Voice" followed by "We Are Family," a new guess-the-singing-celebrity-relative show hosted by Anthony Anderson and with his mother Doris Bowman, who helped to ruin the ABC reboot of "To Tell the Truth."On Sun. Jan. 7 coming out of the NFL at 8 p.m. (but against SNF and the Golden Globes) will be the premiere of the Jon Hamm cartoon "Grimsberg" (already renewed for a second season, produced in-house with animation by Fox-owned Bento Box) and a new season of "The Great North" at 9:30 after "Krapopolis" and "Bob's Burgers." However, the second episodes will not air until after the Super Bowl, with "Great North" at 9 and "Grimsberg" at 9:30.On Mon. Jan. 22, the "TMZ Investigates" docuseries (TMZ now owned by Fox) that's been airing off and on in prime time gets a weekly slot, followed by the "America's Most Wanted" reboot. On Thursdays starting Feb. 1, "Gordon Ramsay's Next Level Chef" (shot in Ireland this year) will air followed by the bucolic dating show "Farmer Wants a Wife" ("Chef"'s premiere will come out of the NFC championship on Sun. Jan. 28).And finally,  on Tues. Mar. 5 comes that one night of live-action scripted with the season premieres of "Cleaning Lady" and "Alert," followed the next night by the season premiere of "Masked Singer" (with Rita Ora filling in on the panel for Nicole Scherzinger while she's playing Nora Desmond in the "Sunset Boulevard" revival on the West End), followed by a new season of "Animal Control" (a show that must have enough Canadian content to air on the CBC in prime time, on a network that the Canadian government generally does not allow to air U.S. shows in prime time) and the biggest surprise--the moving of "Family Guy" out of the Sunday Animation Domination block, which may be an indication that the contract with Disney is about to run out, Fox is not renewing it and the show is either going to end or move to ABC or Hulu.



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Re: [TV orNotTV] Wallace and Gromit running out of cheese

[Jim Ellwanger]

Aardman said today that they can deal with the situation: 
https://www.cartoonbrew.com/stop-motion/aardman-denies-report-that-it-is-running-out-of-clay-to-make-stop-motion-films-235061.html



> On Nov 20, 2023, at 9:58 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:
> 
> The company that makes the modeling clay used by the studio is no more
> 
> https://www.avclub.com/chicken-run-studio-aardman-is-apparently-running-out-of-1851033934?utm_campaign=The+A.V.+Club_content=1700353801_medium=SocialMarketing_source=facebook=IwAR1DyoVLDa-gik-uRls5x25PuhbuIoy6GQE29QFbD0sZBon-EVOaNXaWSqQ_aem_AXUl7fVsQM7aClEM49lB_CWHR70LsfM5IJSOSx7h3KBNgQchFiZENfUyWz22cImreuQ
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Quickie Review: NCIS Sydney

[Jim Ellwanger]

Brisbane as well (it seems like it's the equivalent of Atlanta or New Orleans 
in terms of its place within the Australian TV and film industry).


> On Nov 20, 2023, at 8:09 AM, Mark Jeffries  wrote:
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> And in the real world the NCIS field office is in Perth on the west end of 
> the continent. But since most Australian TV is produced in Melbourne and 
> Sydney...
> 
> Mark Jeffries
> spotligh...@gmail.com 
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> On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 7:58 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
> mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>> The upside-down promos are insulting. B
>> 
>> Kevin M, Nov 20th:
>> I suspect the Aussie acting community is grateful for big budget work, but 
>> Crocodile Dundee was less one dimensional than the characters on this 
>> series. There are some decent actors in the cast, but they weren’t given 
>> anything to do. 
>> 
>> P.S.- It would amuse me if it turned out this series was secretly filmed in 
>> Glendale CA like most of the other NCIS flavors are. 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] UNI Anchor Quits--Was It Because of Trump Interview?

[Jim Ellwanger]

I assume you mean East Coast - the networks don’t particularly seem to care 
about the Dodgers or Giants. (I suspect if they could come up with a scheme to 
have a Yankees-Red Sox World Series while also preserving all the 
regular-season games they play against each other, they would.)

> On Nov 16, 2023, at 10:33 AM, Kevin M.  wrote:
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> Trump is to the election cycle what the big West Coast baseball teams are to 
> the World Series. The networks will do whatever they can to keep him in the 
> game. 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 10:30 AM Mark Jeffries  > wrote:
>> Leon Krauze has left the Spanish-language network Univision after 13 years, 
>> including anchoring their late-night newscast for the last two years--he 
>> said on Muskmedia that he was leaving without giving any details, although 
>> there are some (including blue-check Musk buttkissers) who think it is in 
>> protest over the softball interview of Dementia J. Trump last week by 
>> another reporter, allegedly arranged by Jared Kushner, and with scheduled ad 
>> spots for President Biden dumped along with a rebuttal by a Biden campaign 
>> employee:
>> 
>> https://www.thewrap.com/univision-anchor-leon-krauze-exit-trump-interview/
>> 
>> The net, which in 2021 re-merged with its longtime primary program supplier 
>> Grupo Televisa of Mexico, has had a checkered history with Trump, including 
>> having anchor Jorge Ramos dumped from a Trump rally in 2015 and Trump suing 
>> the net over dropping the Miss Universe pageant he owned at that time in 
>> 2016 (which was settled).  The feeling is that Televisa's current management 
>> is more sympathetic to Trump than previous UNI management.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Sinclair shuts down news production in Tulsa

[Jim Ellwanger]

Trivia fact: The Weird Al movie "UHF" was filmed in Tulsa, and the evil network 
affiliate in the movie is Channel 8 - not a coincidence.

> On Nov 10, 2023, at 2:40 PM, Diner  wrote:
> 
> WTUL Channel 8, the Sinclair-owned ABC affiliate in Tulsa, is moving its news 
> production 100 miles away to Oklahoma City, where Sinclair owns two stations 
> (Fox affiliate KOKH and independent KOCB). 
> 
> From what Erin Christy (an anchor at Tulsa station KJRH) is writing on 
> Twitter/X, it appears (though it is not confirmed) that they will still have 
> reporters in Tulsa but that all the anchoring and news production will be 
> done out of Oklahoma City, and that Tulsa will be more like a "bureau." 
> https://twitter.com/Erin_Christy/status/1722996630998102422
> There's a news story behind a paywall at 
> https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/sinclair-broadcast-group/article_d4298c30-7f44-11ee-a9a5-4747bab26bfa.html
> 
> For reference, Tulsa is the 47th most populous city in the country, and the 
> station - which moved its license from Muskogee to Tulsa in 1957 - is a 
> longtime part of the city's cultural identity. And if this can happen in a 
> city with a population larger than New Orleans, Cleveland or Pittsburgh, who 
> knows what's next.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Sesame Street redux

[Jim Ellwanger]

The original "Sesame Street" format was inspired by TV commercials... but with 
kids watching shows via streaming, they're presumably not seeing as many 
commercials as kids were in 1969.


> On Oct 30, 2023, at 4:04 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:
> 
> The half hour format will now feature two 11 minute segments sandwiching a 
> new animated series “Tales from 123”. 
> 
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/sesame-street-changing-format-tales-from-123-season-56-1235623888/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Canadian TV Show Claims Well-Known Singer Is Not Indigenous

[Jim Ellwanger]

Keith Morrison... recently in the news as stepfather of the late Matthew Perry. 
(He's been married to Perry's mother Suzanne since 1981.)


> On Oct 30, 2023, at 12:41 PM, Doug Eastick  wrote:
> 
> > Keith Morrison
> yes, you are correct.  My apologies.  Morrison, not Robertson.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 3:11 PM John Edwards  > wrote:
>> I think you mean Keith Morrison. Speaking of which, this is the type of 
>> story Dateline would have done before it became True Crime Theater. 
>> 
>> As for the origins, from the few Indigenous people I know, it does seem that 
>> who is Indigenous is an issue that is of some importance to the community, 
>> but the definitions of who qualifies seem to vary from person to person. The 
>> theoretical issue would be if she was winning awards that were reserved for 
>> Indigneous people when she wasn't. That said, during the peak of her fame, I 
>> don't think such a beast existed given that she was it.
>> 
>> I watched the first three minutes or so, and it didn't really hold my 
>> interest. 
>> 
>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 2:53 PM Doug Eastick > > wrote:
>>> I haven't watched the episode in question, but I have seen the series 
>>> before.   It is typical "Investigative Journalism" where they go deep in a 
>>> subject.Can't recall if there is a US equivalent, but I'm thinking of 
>>> Keith Robertson.
>>> 
>>> I'm really not sure what stirred the origin of this story.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> /Doug 
>>> east...@mcd.on.ca 
>>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023, 9:02 p.m. Kevin M. >> > wrote:
 Canadians will have to tell me whether the tone of that story was typical 
 of that series. I found it tainted with so much bias that I couldn’t help 
 but wonder who emotionally wounded the reporter to make him feel that way. 
 
 I have no vested interest in the ethnicity of the woman in question; I 
 don’t know enough about her to care about her background, but they very 
 clearly did. Everything from the sinister music normally reserved for axe 
 murderers and rapists to the darkened almost noir-like old photos reeked 
 of bias. Maybe she made up her background, or maybe she misunderstood her 
 background, or maybe she simply didn’t know… didn’t matter to the 
 reporter… he was out to tarnish her reputation and destroy her career. 
 That was some truly, remarkably, unbelievably bad television. 
 
 On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 5:31 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
 mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
> It's on the 'toob, and not blocked outside Canada... 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMsqCWNCUc4 (link)
> B
> 
> Mark Jeffries, Oct 27th:
> Tonight's episode of the CBC's long-running newsmag "The Fifth Estate" 
> will contain a report supposedly revealing that an "iconic Canadian 
> singer" is not what she claimed to be for many years--folk singer Buffy 
> Sainte-Marie, the first indigenous winner of an Oscar in 1982 for 
> co-writing the "Officer and a Gentleman" theme "Up Where We Belong," 
> believes that she is the subject of the report and that the report wrong, 
>  saying that the Canadian pubcaster interviewed her last month her 
> ancestry and being sexually assaulted as a child and that although she 
> does not know everything about her ancestry, "I know who I am":
> 
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/buffy-sainte-marie-responds-pretendian-1235628540/
> 
> The above contains a video statement from Sainte-Marie--Americans will 
> only be able to see the program if they live near the Canadian border and 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Former Spock to star as famed neurologist

[Jim Ellwanger]

I've read several of his books, which are interesting and well-written. I was 
reading "The Mind's Eye" on a flight, and after reading his vivid description 
of his own eye surgery, I had to put my head down and take deep breaths for a 
few minutes. That was August 30, 2015 - after the flight, I learned he had died 
earlier that day.

> On Oct 22, 2023, at 10:11 AM, PGage  wrote:
> 
> Unlike some other shows based on experts related to human behavior/cognition, 
> Sacks is both a deserving and super interesting subject. He was one of the 
> greatest clinical neurologists ever. A prolific author, Awakenings, as good 
> as it was, is probably no better than his third best book. If you have not 
> done so, I strongly recommend reading “The Man Who Mistook His Wife For a 
> Hat”, though almost all of them are worth the read. I heard him speak 
> numerous times, and had the chance to talk briefly with him a handful of 
> times, and he was always patient and kind and interesting. I doubt a TV show 
> will be able resist the urge to turn him into some kind of superhero, but if 
> the visibility gets more people to read his books it will be a service.
> 
> Sent from Gmail Mobile
> 
> 
> On Sun, 22 Oct 2023 at 9:10 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
> mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>> Viewers of WPXI/11 Pittsburgh, f'rinstance, will like that local hero 
>> Zachary Quinto's next project, "Dr. Wolf," inspired by the life and work of 
>> Oliver Wolf Sacks (1933-2015), whose treatment of people with the sleeping 
>> sickness encephalitis lethargica inspired the hit 1990 film Awakenings 
>> (Robin Williams? Robert DeNiro?), was greenlit by NBC this past week, but 
>> will have to wait out the actors' strike before any filming can begin... 
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/dr-wolf-zachary-quinto-medical-drama-nbc-1235623378/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] OT: There’s a new Douglas Adams book

[Jim Ellwanger]

There's another familiar name on Page 307.

> On Oct 21, 2023, at 10:10 AM, Adam Bowie  wrote:
> 
> It was funded via crowdfunding, and I was fortunate enough to get along to a 
> launch event at the British Library a few weeks ago. It is indeed a lovely 
> book, with lots of previously unpublished writing.
> 
> And a familiar name can be found on page 304 amidst the thousands of funders 
> who paid for their copy in advance :-)
> 
> 
> 
> Adam
> 
> On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 4:52 PM Kevin M.  > wrote:
>> Some of his friends combed through boxes of unpublished writings from the 
>> Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy author and compiled them into a 
>> yearbook-sized tome, one copy of which just arrived on my doorstep this 
>> morning. I was looking forward to settling down to read it while enjoying a 
>> pumpkin spice pastry purchased yesterday at Porto’s, but the ants beat me to 
>> the pastry. Nevertheless, Douglas Adams was one of the greats, and a heavy 
>> influence on how I write and, to some extent, how I think. Pleased at the 
>> chance to read even a few more words from him. The book is, of course, 
>> called “42”, and is available at fine booksellers everywhere. 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Suzanne Somers Dead: 'Three's Company' Star Was 76

[Jim Ellwanger]

The one true Master of the Thighs.


> On Oct 15, 2023, at 2:12 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:
> 
> RIP “blonde in T Bird”
> 
> 
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 1:54 PM Brad Beam  > wrote:
>> 
>> https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/suzanne-somers-dead-threes-company-1235756992/
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "The Boys" spinoff a go at Amazon

[Jim Ellwanger]

"Envy-heavy" took some deciphering as well - if it's supposed to mean 
"N.V.-heavy," as in "nudity and violence-heavy," then it is that (well, there 
have been penises, at least - women's private parts have been avoided via 
specific blocking and camera shots).

I can't imagine the show literally being "envy-heavy," as in, "I heavily envy 
these people for having superpowers," because it makes having superpowers seem 
very undesirable, in many ways.


> On Oct 9, 2023, at 12:51 PM, Ben Combee  wrote:
> 
> episode four, I think you mean.
> 
> On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 2:41 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
> mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>> I'll throw this in here... now in season four, the envy-heavy series now 
>> enters a new pantheon of the bizarre, with a "cocksplosion"...
>> https://variety.com/2023/tv/features/gen-v-penis-explosion-sex-scene-1235746639/
>>  (link)
>> B
>> 
>> Moi, to M-D November, July 16th 2022:
>> People may have said as much about Beth(lehem) Million 
>>  (link 
>> to thread), whom besides that movie mentioned, was also in two episodes of 
>> And Just Like That... as "Smoke".
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Re: [TV orNotTV] First "flexing" of NFL games

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The Bucs had already been scheduled to wear their orange-and-white "throwback" 
uniforms for this game, for the first time in years -- the reason being that 
it's a matchup against a team from the old NFC Central, their home during the 
couple of decades they wore those uniforms. Moving the game to CBS would have 
made it even more old-school.

(For some years, the NFL had a "one-shell rule" for a team's helmets, which 
meant the Bucs couldn't switch between their regular pewter-colored helmets and 
the white helmets that are part of the throwback uniform set, so they opted not 
to wear the throwbacks at all. That rule has been eliminated after it was shown 
that it had no appreciable effect on player safety.)


> On Oct 3, 2023, at 2:19 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
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> In week 6 (Oct 15th), Detroit at Tampa Bay (now both 3-1) will start at 
> 4.25pm instead of 1... but remain on Fox.
> https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/nfl-announces-schedule-change-for-week-6 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Tay-Tay = yooge ratings, even in the NFL

[Jim Ellwanger]

The markets in and around New York and Denver are almost certainly the only 
ones that are going to get the Jets-Broncos game, regardless of whether or not 
Taylor Swift is going to show up in Minneapolis for the Chiefs-Vikings game. 
(The Jets' chances of anyone caring about their games this season snapped along 
with Aaron Rodgers's Achilles tendon, and the only reason the Broncos have one 
win is because they got to play the even-more-hapless Bears this week.)


> On Oct 2, 2023, at 1:57 PM, Mark Jeffries  wrote:
> 
> And if they find out TayTay's going to be in the crowd again, the only 
> markets carrying the Jets/Broncos game will be the Tri-State area and 
> Colorado. It's a love story, baby just say yes.
> 
> Mark Jeffries
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 3:45 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
> mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>> The 27 million total viewers for Sunday night's Chiefs-at-Jets clash, 
>> featuring repeated cuts to the goil cheering on beau/K.C. receiver Travis 
>> Kelce (like Kelsey Grammer) outpointed last season's Week 4 week-ender (also 
>> involving the Chiefs) by 22%... of course, Swifties boosted the game's 12-17 
>> figure 53% above the average from the first three weeks...
>> https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/chiefs-jets-nfl-taylor-swift-travis-kelce-ratings-1235742304/
>>  (link)
>> So Fox had its chance, then NBC... CBS gets their shot next Sunday as the 
>> red, white and gold head to Minnesota in a late-afternoon slot (some will 
>> see the Jets at Denver)...
>> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Cops called on movie's editor after neighbours heard screaming

[Jim Ellwanger]

It doesn't say anything about windows in the article - but with the volume 
turned up loud enough, the neighbors could certainly have heard the noise 
through the walls, floor, or ceiling (as pretty much anyone who's ever lived in 
an apartment could tell you).

And at any rate, not all editors' offices are in modern office buildings with 
windows that don't open. (In fact, since there was a doorbell camera mentioned, 
it's very likely in some sort of bungalow or similar situation.)

> On Sep 30, 2023, at 8:34 AM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
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> Funny, I'd've figured the building in question couldn't open its windows...
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/saw-x-director-film-editor-police-called-on-him-screaming-sounds-1235605144/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] WGA and AMPTP reach settlement… to be voted on on Tuesday

[Jim Ellwanger]

Potential talk show guests (i.e., the kind of people Drew Barrymore had on that 
week of shows she taped): news personalities, reality show personalities, 
YouTube influencers, authors, musicians.


> On Sep 24, 2023, at 8:28 PM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV 
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> Obviously SAG-AFTRA would still need to reach an agreement with AMPTP for 
> much of anything to resume on television.  Certainly some pre-production 
> could resume, but the late night shows would still need guests, unless they 
> want to go all-in on the comedy bits.  (Personally I'd love this, but 
> wouldn't expect it to happen in a million years.)
> 
> In other words, I don't expect the new normal, whatever it is, to resume 
> *that* quickly.
> 
> David
> 
> On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 07:49:06 PM PDT, Kevin M. 
>  wrote:
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> 
> Specifics haven’t yet been made public, but both sides are patting themselves 
> on the back, so it’s probably another deal that will unravel in a few years 
> after the next big tech breakthrough occurs. 
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> https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/writers-strike-ends-wga-amptp-deal-2-1235733452/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] WGA Pickets Outside 'DWTS' Rehearsal Space

[Jim Ellwanger]

Just replace that Matt Walsh with the other Matt Walsh, the right-wing 
extremist political commentator. Problem solved!


> On Sep 20, 2023, at 11:28 AM, Mark Jeffries  wrote:
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> The West Hollywood dance studios above a furniture store now have pickets 
> outside as the "Dancing With the Stars" contestants rehearse for Tuesday's 
> season premiere which is still on at TV City--the WGA is especially aiming at 
> "Veep"''s Matt Walsh, who is both a SAG/AFTRA and WGA member, making him a 
> scab:
> 
> https://deadline.com/2023/09/dancing-with-the-stars-writers-strike-picket-matt-walsh-mira-sorvino-1235550886/
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> This is not going on the air Tuesday night, I predict--ABC will have to do a 
> second "Wonderful World of Disney" night on Tuesdays unless the strikes 
> settle tomorrow.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Drew Waves the White Flag

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TV listings (online, and on cable boxes and other devices) always lag behind 
programming changes by up to 24 hours.

Of course, once upon a time, all you had was TV Guide, which would lag behind 
programming changes by up to two weeks. (Okay, okay, you also had the daily 
listings in the newspaper, which could be updated within 24-48 hours, depending 
on the newspaper's production process.)


> On Sep 17, 2023, at 11:59 AM, Kevin M.  wrote:
> 
> They might have already been digitally distributed to stations. Good luck 
> getting them to not televise new content already paid for 
> 
> On Sun, Sep 17, 2023 at 10:03 AM Mark Jeffries  > wrote:
>> She says that the shows she taped last week will not air this week and she 
>> won't start up again until the resolution of the WGA strike--however, the 
>> cable box guide still shows new episodes for tomorrow (remember, her show is 
>> divided into two half-hours) and the rest of the week:
>> 
>> https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/drew-barrymore-daytime-talk-show-not-returning-strike-1235725739/
>> 
>> For the record, her scheduled guests tomorrow are a menopause expert and a 
>> cooking segment--the rest of the week has the "CBS Mornings" gang (not 
>> affected by either strike) on Tuesday, Norah O'Donnell (not affected by 
>> either strike) on Wednesday, her hair stylist doing a makeover and a "Queer 
>> Eye" Fab Fiver (not affected by either strike) on Thursday and a TikToker on 
>> Friday.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Tonight’s Jeopardy was a rerun

[Jim Ellwanger]

Sounds like what you may have gotten in Pittsburgh is the "Daytime Jeopardy!" 
episode, which it looks like WPXI normally shows at 1:00 P.M. (They do update 
the national ads in those episodes from what they originally aired with a year 
ago - they may even run exactly the same ads as on the regular episodes - so it 
makes sense that there would be a Moderna commercial.)


> On Sep 14, 2023, at 6:29 PM, Brad Beam  wrote:
> 
> Not national - down 79 here in Charleston, WSAZ showed the first 2nd Chance 
> final.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2023, at 21:22, Tom Wolper  wrote:
>> 
>> The show that aired tonight (in Pittsburgh) was a rerun from last season 
>> with Mayim hosting. It looks like it was national and not just local. The 
>> Moderna ad ran after Double Jeopardy and my DVR labeled the episode as s37 
>> second chance.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Drew Audience Members Kicked Out for Wearing WGA Pins

[Jim Ellwanger]

None of the late-night talk shows normally take the entire summer off -- they 
just take off a week or two here and there -- so they have already missed out 
on a lot of potential new episodes since the writers' strike began on May 2nd.


> On Sep 13, 2023, at 11:40 AM, PGage  wrote:
> 
> Right, I have been following that thread, though not the podcasts, so maybe 
> they address this. I assumed the podcast was to A) show their support for 
> strikers, B) keep their brand before the public and C) fill their Jones to 
> entertain and tell current events jokes. But until last week going dark for 
> the Strike has not really hurt them much, mostly would have been reruns 
> anyway. I am suspecting that their shows will. It be able to tolerate missing 
> much more than a month of new shows, and pressure will build on them to go 
> back without writers, with strike beards, and do some kind of bare bones show.
> 
> Sent from Gmail Mobile
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> 
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 at 7:48 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
> mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>> That's why they have a podcast, unless they choose not to talk about Fight 
>> Club, so to speak... link to our thread about it 
>> ...
>> B
>> 
>> PGage, to Tom Wolper and Mark Jeffries, in part, Sept 13th:
>> Aren’t we likely to see Colbert and the Jimmys back sans writers if the 
>> strike goes more than another month now that summer is over?
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Only Murders In The Building

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Also fans of a certain movie set in and around Chicago.Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 12, 2023, at 9:08 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:Two great cameos (one large, one small) in this week’s episode. Fans of a certain Broadway musical based on a motion picture will enjoy this a lot. 



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Re: [TV orNotTV] Drew Barrymore On Talk Show Return Amid WGA & SAG-AFTRA Strikes: “I Own This Choice” – Deadline

[Jim Ellwanger]

I was wondering if the syndication contract guarantees the stations a certain 
number of new episodes per season (with significant advertising make-goods, or 
other financial penalties, if the show can't deliver).


> On Sep 12, 2023, at 10:04 AM, Steve Timko  wrote:
> 
> Just spit balling but what if Drew Barrymore needs the money and that's why 
> she scabbed.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023, 8:29 AM Mark Jeffries  > wrote:
>> But you have Kelly, but it's a rerun today and her season premiere from NY 
>> is next Monday, along with the other returning daytime shows except Tamron, 
>> who's not writer-or-celebrity-dependent and starts today. The WGA's planning 
>> this week to have pickets in front of the CBS Broadcast Center to greet Drew 
>> (for the record, she's still technically two half-hours a day,  but both of 
>> her Chicago stations are airing the full hour--WBBM moved her to 2 p.m. and 
>> is now doing an hour-long local newscast at 9 a.m., and she's still on in 
>> one fell swoop at midnight on Weigel's CW affil WCIU.  I believe that 
>> Kelly's also a WGA show and they've already been picketing at 30 Rock--for 
>> Paramount, they've chosen the former Viacom HQ in Times Square where "TRL" 
>> used to originate until now.
>> 
>> I should point out, as long as we're on daytime talk, that Fox is starting 
>> an interesting experiment of making some of their local owned station shows 
>> national on their owned stations--starting today nationally is "Portia" from 
>> WAGA in Atlanta (and the streamer Fox Soul) and "The Jason Show" from KMSP 
>> in Minneapolis.  Even though today's the official debut of both, WPWR in 
>> Chicago was running "Jason" last week (back in the studio after spending a 
>> month doing live remotes from the Minnesota State Fair) and it seems that 
>> the show is very celeb gossip-dependent and is going to have a hard time 
>> booking guests as long as the strikes are keeping actors from going on the 
>> road plugging their projects. Unless a D-lister is doing a musical at 
>> Chanhassen DInner Playhouse, it's going to be a rough ride for them.
>> 
>> Mark Jeffries
>> spotligh...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 4:35 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
>> mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>> Good thing I don't have to endure it in my urologist's office courtesy 
>>> NBC4NY... B
>>> 
>>> Steve Timko, Sept 10th:
>>> https://deadline.com/2023/09/drew-barrymore-talk-show-return-wga-sag-aftra-strikes-1235542596/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] That Was Quick: CBS to AIr Bob Barker Tribute Thurs.

[Jim Ellwanger]

The current SAG-AFTRA strike doesn't cover game shows, and TPIR doesn't use WGA 
writers, so there are no picket lines to cross.

TPIR is already in production for the new season at their new studio, so 
everything is already set up over there. No chance of them spending the money 
to go back to Television City for a special. (To most viewers, all studios look 
the same on the inside anyway.)


> On Aug 30, 2023, at 8:50 AM, M-D November  wrote:
> 
> I'm more curious to know if a) the tribute will be staged at Television City 
> on the 'Bob Barker Stage' or on TPIR's new stage in Glendale, and b) who's 
> writing this thing, what with the strike and all? Plus, wouldn't Drew & 
> others have to cross the picket line to make the special (assuming it wasn't 
> already in the can)?
> 
> On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 2:40:30 PM UTC-4 Tom Wolper wrote:
>> They only had 20 years to get it prepared.
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 1:34 PM Mark Jeffries > wrote:
>>> Hosted by Drew Carey, the special episode of "The Price is Right" will air 
>>> this Thursday at 8 p.m. ET and repeat Monday morning in "Price"'s normal 
>>> time slot (and Paramount+):
>>> 
>>> https://www.thewrap.com/bob-barker-the-price-is-right-tribute-special-cbs/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Jimmys, Seth, Stephen and Jon started a podcast

[Jim Ellwanger]

Although it’s presented as being improv, it does have writers — a lot of the 
material is written in advance (by the show writers in conjunction with the 
comedian panelists).



> On Aug 29, 2023, at 7:38 PM, Brad Beam  wrote:
> 
> On a tangent:
> I assume “@12:37” [sic] is a no-go until the strike is over – or does it 
> being an improv game show make it exempt? CBS can’t keep running Corden 
> indefinitely.
>  
> From: 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 19:26
> To: TvorNotTV Bob Jersey via
> Subject: [TV orNotTV] Jimmys, Seth, Stephen and Jon started a podcast
>  
> Called Strike Force Five, Kimmel, Fallon, Colbert, Meyers and Oliver will 
> host a 12-episode podcast (with a possibility for more) focusing on the 
> strikes.
>  
> Hosted by Spotify, it should be available on most platforms (H/T various 
> outlets) starting tomorrow (August 30).
>  
> https://newsroom.spotify.com/2023-08-29/colbert-fallon-kimmel-seth-meyers-john-oliver-limited-podcast-strike-force-five/
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> Best,
>  
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Re: [TV orNotTV] LOCAL... but not on DirecTV

[Jim Ellwanger]

Back in the days when TV Guide had local listings, Vermillion was served by the 
Nebraska Edition, which was not necessarily the best name because in addition 
to its namesake state, it also covered both the Sioux City (Iowa) and Sioux 
Falls (South Dakota) markets.


> On Aug 24, 2023, at 5:20 PM, Brad Beam  wrote:
> 
> From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Jeffries
> 
> >When I was out-of-town a few weeks ago, I noted that the hotel TV, which was 
> >hooked up to DirecTV, was not showing the CBS, Fox and CW affiliates for the 
> >Quad Cities Illinois-Iowa area, which was the broad area I was in and all 
> >owned by Nexstar, 
>  
> Likewise for us with NBC in Des Moines last week. Our night in KELO-land 
> (specifically, Vermillion SD) was on cable, so no block there. 
>  
> On a side note: In Vermillion, we had three states’ PBS networks on the 
> metaphorical dial to choose from – South Dakota, Iowa, and Nebraska.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] LOCAL... but not on DirecTV

[Jim Ellwanger]

Presumably, they've decided that the same people who buy products from 
infomercials and shopping channels are the same people who still channel surf.

(I still have DirecTV, and those channels are fine with me because they're 
paying to be there, which supposedly lowers everyone's bills. It's not even a 
bandwidth issue if the exact same channel is duplicated in more than one spot - 
that's just code they can send to receivers. In the 20 years I've been a 
subscriber, I've never really channel surfed - I've had a DVR the entire time.)


> On Aug 24, 2023, at 7:31 AM, Mark Jeffries  wrote:
> 
> When I was out-of-town a few weeks ago, I noted that the hotel TV, which was 
> hooked up to DirecTV, was not showing the CBS, Fox and CW affiliates for the 
> Quad Cities Illinois-Iowa area, which was the broad area I was in and all 
> owned by Nexstar, along with KTLA in LA (which seems to be DirecTV's default 
> CW for those markets where there's no affiliate or it's on a subchannel) and 
> NewsNation. Even more annoying:  DirecTV has seemed to put the same 
> infomercial and shopping channels on every 10 clicks on the dial, making 
> channel-surfing a trial.  It's almost like whoever's owning DirecTV now has 
> never heard of cord-cutting.
> 
> Mark Jeffries
> spotligh...@gmail.com 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 9:24 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
> mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>> A massive percentage of the satcaster's customers are in Nexstar's station 
>> footprints, but they've been without them since July 1st... and naturally, 
>> neither side will budge... Nexstar's CEO noted the last time this happened 
>> four years ago, a settlement was reached Aug 29th...
>> https://deadline.com/2023/08/nexstar-directv-carriage-battle-college-football-nfl-season-strikes-1235523486/
>>  (link)
>> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Jennings defends decision to cross picket lines

[Jim Ellwanger]

Alex did cross the WGA picket line during the 2007-08 writers' strike, and the 
show used recycled clues during that time (they were about 10 years old). The 
difference is that social media apps like Twitter and Reddit weren't around for 
people to make a big deal about it. (Also, Alex was never on social media 
himself, unlike Ken.)

Ken went into more detail in a thread on the Facebook group devoted to his 
podcast, confirming that he is a member of SAG-AFTRA, that he's been in contact 
with union leadership, and they've specifically indicated that he should work, 
because their strike doesn't cover "Jeopardy!" and because Ken has a 
pre-existing contract with the show. Presumably, Mayim was able to opt to not 
cross the WGA picket line because she has a different contract with the show, 
possibly related to the fact that she's only employed as a host, while Ken is 
also technically a member of the production staff.

(Left unsaid was the fact that if Ken doesn't work and the show has to cancel 
tapings, it affects the crew members who are members of the IATSE union. Ken 
did acknowledge that it's a no-win situation.)


> On Aug 15, 2023, at 10:42 AM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
>  wrote:
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> Ryan Jones hissed on X "Alex would never do this"... Ken countered with a 
> Sony statement respecting the writers, but as we've already covered 
>  (link), 
> some of the things Alex wouldn't do, will be done...
> https://nypost.com/2023/08/14/jeopardy-host-ken-jennings-fires-back-at-fan-who-called-him-a-disgrace/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Well, here it comes: the Trek musical

[Jim Ellwanger]

I noticed the same thing, and I should have gone back to see if the stardate 
had a "42" in it.


> On Aug 3, 2023, at 9:25 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:
> 
> Just watched the Star Trek musical episode. As a musical, it wasn’t great but 
> could have been worse. I’d rank it better than the Buffy musical but not as 
> good as the Scrubs musical. 
> 
> But this was probably the closest we will ever get to a Star Trek/Hitchhikers 
> Guide to the Galaxy crossover. They basically stumbled upon an infinite 
> improbability drive floating around in space. The references were too blatant 
> to have been coincidental or unintentional. 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 10:19 AM Kevin M.  > wrote:
>> The crossover episode is as about as good as modern Trek gets, though you’d 
>> have to be a fan of both shows to fully appreciate it.
>> 
>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 5:30 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
>> mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>> There've been musical scenes across the franchise, but never a full 
>>> episode... but Strange New Worlds will go there in season two... a "space 
>>> anomaly" zaps the Enterprise (well, of course)... the Comic-Con panel where 
>>> this was announced also touted an SNW/Lower Decks crossover, and showed a 
>>> taste of the fifth season opener for Discovery...
>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-musical-episode-1235541620/
>>>  (link, with two 'toobs and a link to the third)
>>> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Watch "CHiPs "Roller Disco" – The most Seventies scene in 1970s TV" on YouTube

[Jim Ellwanger]

For their 65th anniversary in 2012, I think it was, KTLA ran a weekend marathon 
of one episode each of many of the shows that had graced their airwaves over 
the years. This was the "CHiPs" episode they chose.

> On Aug 1, 2023, at 8:03 AM, Doug Eastick  wrote:
> 
> https://youtu.be/fh5GdUY00-k 
> 
> 
> Saw this on Reddit this morning. Wow, I think I missed this episode.
> 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Why a Rita Ora guest shot on original Love Island disappeared from Hulu

[Jim Ellwanger]

I have no specific comment (it has been eighteen years since I worked as a 
closed-captioner, and even then, I was never really involved with the technical 
side of things)... other to say that this article could have been a 
three-sentence blurb instead.

"An episode of 'Love Island U.K.' featuring a performance by singer Rita Ora 
was pulled from Hulu after being briefly available on Sunday. Although there 
was some speculation that the withdrawal was due to licensing issues, 
representatives for the streamer confirmed that it was due to the episode's 
closed-captioning not working properly. The episode has now returned to the 
service."


> On Jul 27, 2023, at 6:45 AM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
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> It wasn't a licencing issue... Ellwanger will comment on this...
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/love-island-uk-rita-ora-missing-episode-hulu-1235544577/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] This never happened when Alex hosted

[Jim Ellwanger]

When Alex hosted, they produced new episodes during the 2007-08 writers' strike 
reusing old material, and nobody seemed to notice. (It's unknown whether there 
were any potential contestants who refused to cross the picket line.)

During the writers' strikes prior to that, the writers were not part of the 
WGA, so the show was unaffected.

I'm actually in the potential contestant pool right now, so if they do wind up 
producing new episodes somehow, and they call me... well, I guess I'll have a 
big decision to make at that point.


> On Jul 25, 2023, at 4:49 PM, Brad Beam  wrote:
> 
> With whispers that what’s left of the Jeopardy! writers’ room may reuse and 
> recycle old clues for the upcoming season, several ToC contestants have 
> announced that they won't cross the picket line at Sony.
> https://tvline.com/news/jeopardy-season-40-delayed-premiere-date-writers-strike-update-1235018700/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Don't expect adverts for streaming properties on their platform's rivals

[Jim Ellwanger]

And I've seen ads for Apple TV+ shows on Paramount+.

> On Jul 7, 2023, at 2:44 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
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> There are exceptions, tho... I've seen Paramount+ stuff plugged on Peacock, 
> f'rinstance...
> https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/big-streamers-hungry-for-advertising-but-some-commercials-tough-to-digest-1235662173/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Spacey facing more charges in the UK

[Jim Ellwanger]

A couple decades ago, I was on a jury for a civil trial in Federal court that 
was officially sequestered when we went to deliberations - which only took a 
few hours, so they didn't have to decide whether or not they were going to 
sequester us overnight. (We did get lunch on Uncle Sam's dime.) Because this 
was a boring employment discrimination case that wouldn't particularly have 
interested the news media, I suspect the sequestration was more of a formality 
so that they could have a U.S. marshal watching to make sure that none of the 
jurors disappeared at that point in the proceedings.


> On Jun 28, 2023, at 7:00 PM, PGage  wrote:
> 
> It’s pretty rare in the US too…
> 
> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 at 1:38 PM Adam Bowie  > wrote:
>> Sequestering juries is pretty rare in the UK. Probably in part because there 
>> are much tighter reporting restrictions on UK court cases - which includes 
>> everyone. The only reporting allowed is what factually took place in court - 
>> no commenting, theorising or anything else. Even random TikTok-ers doing 
>> catch-ups would be considered sub judice in the UK, and could lead to a 
>> mistrial. (Quite what would happen if what occurred on Tik Tok and YouTube 
>> with the US Depp/Heard case had happened with the prior UK case, I'm not 
>> sure).
>> 
>> Anyway, it means that there is less of an issue of needing to put jurors in 
>> a hotel to avoid seeing prejudicial coverage.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Adam
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 1:33 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
>> mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>> From the judge's opening remarks, it sounds as though the jury won't be 
>>> sequestered...
>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/kevin-spacey-uk-criminal-trial-start-1235524626/
>>>  (link)
>>> B
>>> 
>>> Moi, Nov 16th 2022:
>>> They're up to 12. The first five will be heard in June.
>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/kevin-spacey-sexual-offenses-uk-charge-1235263036/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "SNL" to pitch at Cannes advertising festival

[Jim Ellwanger]

At last, NBC has discovered an event that won't be picketed by WGA members.

> On Jun 19, 2023, at 1:10 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
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> Bowen Yang, Chloe Fineman, Mikey Day and Ego Nwodim, along with Lorne, join 
> host Willie Geist for the presentation, part of a broader bid by NBCU to get 
> Madison Ave. to align with the program as its 50th season approaches next 
> fall... the 2024 Paris Olympics, with every event to be available on Peacock, 
> is also on the company's agenda...
> https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/nbcuniversal-saturday-night-live-advertising-dollars-1235648182/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] 'Jimmy Pesto' Accused of MAGAing at Capitol on Jan. 6

[Jim Ellwanger]

He portrayed so many right-wing cops in "Mr. Show" sketches that he ended up 
identifying with them.

But this is, by far, the best "Mr. Show" sketch in which he appeared: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6H_uyNFbb0

> On Jun 8, 2023, at 9:26 AM, Mark Jeffries  wrote:
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> Jay Johnston, the voice of the guy who runs the pizza joint across from 
> "Bob's Burgers" on the Fox cartoon and a seemingly legit member of the LA 
> alt-comedy scene ("Mr. Show," "The Sarah Silverman Program") has been 
> arrested by the FBI for alleged participation in the Jan. 6 insurrection:
> 
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/bobs-burgers-jay-johnston-charged-storming-capitol-jan-6-4144082/
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> So much for alt-comedy people being all liberals--although I guess Johnston 
> never went on the Ira Glass show.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] A long Chris Licht profile

[Jim Ellwanger]

If he says anything, it won't be on his show, which is still in reruns due to 
the writers' strike.

> On Jun 7, 2023, at 8:38 AM, PGage  wrote:
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> Has Colbert been talking about Licht/CNN at all? If he says anything tonight 
> would be interested in a report.
> 
> On Wed, 7 Jun 2023 at 7:04 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
> mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>> Confirmed by the company: 
>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/07/media/chris-licht-cnn (link)
>> 
>> It came after an "embarrassing" apology at a staff meeting, said 
>> now-"Reliable Sources" presenter Oliver Darcy:
>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/05/media/cnn-chris-licht-reliable-sources/index.html
>>  (link)
>> 
>> B
>> 
>> Adam Bowie, to Tom Wolper etc., June 7th:
>> Dylan Byers at Puck says Licht is out...
>> 
>> https://twitter.com/PuckNews/status/1666423238610526211?t=KWposCVTqhGrVqPATD9brA=19
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Max embarrassed by descriptions' "creators" credits

[Jim Ellwanger]

Re "the guilds are gonna be understandably hissed" - the DGA and WGA did issue 
a joint statement yesterday, which didn't make it into the followup of that 
Mashable article: 
https://www.dga.org/News/PressReleases/2023/230524_StatementFromDGAWGAPresidentsRegardingMaxCreditChanges.aspx


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> Lumping together producers, directors, and writers under one category... the 
> guilds are gonna be understandably hissed... also, cast are not always listed 
> in original credits order... the streamer apologized and promised to make 
> things right...
> https://mashable.com/article/max-creators-instead-of-directors-and-writers 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] The Great Streaming Purge

[Jim Ellwanger]

Movies and shows that are being removed from streaming services ARE still 
available, but, of course, in an unofficial, not-legal manner (they’re on 
torrent sites, and probably some dark web locations).


> On May 22, 2023, at 6:35 PM, PGage  wrote:
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> Matt Belloni at Puck News has a story out that, while it doesn’t exactly 
> break new ground, crystallizes in a dramatic way what is happening in 
> television right now. As he puts it, “the Great Netflix Correction has 
> officially become the Great Streaming Purge.” 
> 
> He means that the draconian cuts made infamous by Zas at WBD are now becoming 
> the norm in the industry. Iger at Disney is determined to cut $3 Billion this 
> year. Streamers will still be spending a lot of money on production of 
> course, but more and more focused on content that is watched by significant 
> fractions, and that drive sign-ups and limit churn. 
> 
> One of the things this means is a return to the television content lifespan 
> that Boomers grew up with, but will feel new and intolerable to most everyone 
> younger: most shows and films will (if lucky) live long enough to be enjoyed 
> once, maybe twice, and then disappear, often for good, not living on 
> infinitely on VHS, DVD or evergreen streams.
> 
> What I did not really understand until now (even though WBD kept claiming it, 
> but they are hard to believe) is that available content in a streaming 
> library is not cost-neutral to the streamer. I had assumed that if nobody is 
> watching a bad film that is available on Disney+, it does not cost Disney 
> anything (aside from original cost to make it or purchase it). But that’s not 
> true. Apparently, just making a film or show available for streaming incurs a 
> significant licensing fee cost. We need to think of every show and film on a 
> Streamer’s available archive as if it were actually being exhibited or shown 
> on a TV channel, (I.e. there are as many channels exhibiting licensed content 
> as there are individual films or shows in a Streamers archive) and that means 
> you have to pay the owner of the content their fee, whether it is being 
> watched by millions or by no one. 
> 
> Streamers original strategy was to have so much content always available that 
> it drive subscription sign-ups and kept subscribers paying every month. That 
> worked for a while, especially for Netflix. But not anymore. Mist subscribers 
> will not subscribe or stick around just because they can always find 
> something to watch; they come for what they want, then leave and go some 
> place else. Now all that Un or under-watched content is all cost and no 
> benefit, and Streamers are wanting to eliminate them.
> 
> Belloni notes that residual payments to writers and actors make up a very 
> small slice of the cost to streamers, and are not really a factor in the 
> Purge (so go ahead and increase their residuals).
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Americans Can Now Vote for Eurovision

[Jim Ellwanger]

I happen to be in the U.K. this week - in fact, I was in Liverpool on Monday and Tuesday (I made travel plans without knowing about Eurovision). The city was crazy, in a good way.For reasons that were unexplained on the BBC broadcast, U.K. residents were not allowed to vote for Tuesday night’s semifinalists, but they’re supposedly going to be allowed on Thursday. I would have voted for Norway.Sent from my iPhoneOn May 10, 2023, at 5:54 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:That’s what EuroVision was lacking… American tastes and sensibilities! On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 9:30 AM Mark Jeffries  wrote:The annual festival of glorious musical overkill is happening this week in Liverpool (since last year's winner the Ukraine has other things on its mind besides a song contest) and is seen for the third year in the U.S. on Peacock.  The first semi-final was yesterday, with the second semi tomorrow at 3 p.m. ET and the finals Saturday at 3 p.m. ET.  For the first time, you do not have to live in a European Broadcasting Union member country to vote for the entries--you can download the Eurovision app or go to the URL displayed on screen to vote and click "Rest of the World."  This gives the viewers votes a slight edge over the alleged music/broadcasting industry panels of judges that also vote for the entries, since there is no "Rest of the World" panel.The onstage hosts this year include "Ted Lasso"'s Hannah Waddingham and they will be joined by Graham Norton for the finals Saturday, the first time onstage for him after several years as BBC1 host, where he continued the tradition of snark of the late longtime host SIr Terry Wogan.  Last year, NBC Sports commentator and Eurovision geek Johnny Weir hosted the Peacock coverage, but this year he is only hosting the finals Saturday--and I assume hosting from either Universal City, 30 Rock or Stamford instead of being in Liverpool.



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Re: [TV orNotTV] Coming soon to the CW? Live sports

[Jim Ellwanger]

There's precedent for this with at least one of the stations involved: WTOG was 
the initial Fox affiliate for the Tampa Bay area when the network was just the 
Joan Rivers show, but when Fox started moving to expand into prime-time, they 
dropped the affiliation and stayed independent. (In the following decade, they 
became a UPN affiliate.)


> On May 5, 2023, at 12:29 PM, Brad Beam  wrote:
> 
> “You want to air LIV golf? Fine,” said eight CBS-owned CW affiliates. “We’re 
> leaving.”
> https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/cbs-owned-stations-drop-cw-affiliations-september-1235604771/
> 
> On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 6:08:19 PM UTC-4 Brad Beam wrote:
>> Up next for consideration at Nexstar HQ: the Pac-(insert number here) media 
>> rights.
>> https://awfulannouncing.com/college-football/the-pac-12-is-now-chasing-a-tv-deal-with-the-cw.html
>> 
>> On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 5:44:28 PM UTC-5 Brad Beam wrote:
>>> LIV Golf – the breakaway tour funded by the Saudi throne – may have a 
>>> broadcast home in time for its second season starting in February.
>>> 
>>> https://awfulannouncing.com/golf/liv-golf-reportedly-has-a-media-rights-deal-with-the-cw.html
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Interesting game show insight

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One of the talking heads on the show is a friend of mine (Adam Nedeff, who has written some weighty, well-researched biographies about game show hosts) - the fact that he was interviewed is a good indication that it’s a somewhat serious documentary series.Sent from my iPhoneOn May 4, 2023, at 8:14 PM, Brad Beam  wrote:Program note: ABC will begin airing a four-part documentary (“The Game Show Show”) on Wednesday night.https://www.thewrap.com/abc-news-studios-the-game-show-show-exclusive/ From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin M.Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 20:30To: tvornottv@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Interesting game show insight I got to know backstage crew who worked on a lot of the shows. Drinking did occur on some of them, as well as drugs, but they sometimes taped five or more episodes a day, so regardless of day of the week, they couldn’t all get hammered or they’d have never gotten through it. And it goes without saying that Dick Clark ran sober game show studios. Well, sober-ish.  One day, the crew from The Gong Show needs to co-author the definitive tell-all behind-the-scenes book. From even the tiny fraction of the stories I heard, it’s more bizarre than any account I’ve seen shared publicly so far. Dressing rooms exploding. Naked people in the lighting grid. Wild stories about what went on in the men’s room.  On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 5:16 PM Doug Eastick  wrote:I have rewatched some of the old match game shows, and I agree with that. /Doug east...@mcd.on.ca On Thu, May 4, 2023, 3:15 p.m. 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV  wrote:I've heard stories that this was commonplace in the 70s, particularly with Match Game. David On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 12:07:57 PM PDT, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV  wrote:   I'll bet that started while Whoopi was still producing...     BSteve Timko, May 2nd:Game show panelists were often drunk for Thursday and Friday shows. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRw5rX83/  -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/1868418011.2284992.1683227695610%40mail.yahoo.com.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAK5Q1Bo%2BQ%3Df0pbyXwwGLh%2BQXT1S7mumG%3DWzK9_J1cWWLqqs%3D8g%40mail.gmail.com.-- Kevin M. (RPCV)-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKgmY4CEff4gmZCTJ331iKMztvbEWqpuqagv80obD8X%2BPQQV8g%40mail.gmail.com.



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Re: [TV orNotTV] Foxx Still Laid Up, Cannon to Fill In for Him on 'Beat Shazam'

[Jim Ellwanger]

It's a Hilton next to the 405, actually (formerly a Doubletree, and before that 
it was a Radisson). "Jeopardy!" also holds local contestant tryouts there on 
occasion. They don't validate parking for potential contestants (valet-only, 
and the nearest street parking is some distance away), but at my most recent 
tryout in 2022, at least I got some extra Hilton Honors points by paying for it 
with my Hilton AMEX card.


> On May 4, 2023, at 10:15 AM, Mark Jeffries  wrote:
> 
> It should be pointed out that U.S. game shows, with a few exceptions, do not 
> pay to fly in or put up contestants for a LA or New York recording. The best 
> "Jeopardy!" contestants get is a discount at the Marriott near the Sony lot 
> and the hotel's airport limo taking them over to the Trebek Stage and back.
> 
> And it is interesting that "The Wall" in the U.S. is still going without 
> audiences, but instead of the hack sweetener Christian Shrader, they've 
> called upon Sonofans, the "immersive crowd performance sound system" company 
> that provided crowd noise for sports teams and Fox Sports during the 
> pandemic.  This article from a sound trade mag explains what they do, which 
> they swear up-and-down is not "canned," even though everyone else says it is:
> 
> https://www.sonofans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/LS2101_Sonofans-Final.pdf
> 
> Mark Jeffries
> spotligh...@gmail.com 
> 
> On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 10:50 AM Adam Bowie  > wrote:
>> 
>> On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 4:18 PM Mark Jeffries > > wrote:
>>> 
>>> And as to why Ireland, it's either because facilities in the U.S. are still 
>>> being taken up by Peak TV or they're trying to save money (even if they 
>>> have to fly contestants from the U.S. and put them up in a hotel, since 
>>> there aren't enough U.S. expats in Ireland in the key demos who want to be 
>>> contestants).
>> 
>> It's surely just a money thing. 
>> 
>> While Ireland does offer some significant tax credits to productions - 
>> 32%-34% according to https://www.screenireland.ie/filming/section-481 - I 
>> can't see that a US gameshow fits into any of their categories. But I just 
>> bet that hiring out a big studio with all the lights and cameras in place 
>> makes economic sense. Hosts and contestants were going to need some 
>> accommodation anyway, and while it might be more to send someone from, say, 
>> Dallas to Dublin than Dallas to LA, the other cost savings may be more than 
>> big enough to make sense.
>> 
>> See also Ru Paul and Lingo being shot in Manchester (UK) rather than the US. 
>> In that instance there are added savings with the same set doing double-duty 
>> for the UK version, although Ru Paul only presents the primetime "celebrity" 
>> version in the UK with a different presenter doing the daytime one. And from 
>> what I can see, that UK celebrity version has now been cancelled. Again, 
>> while the UK offers significant tax breaks, they tend to be for dramas and 
>> children's shows, not game shows.
>> 
>> These multi-country productions make more sense when there's a really 
>> elaborate set. Wipeout/Total Wipeout had a massive fixed set in Argentina 
>> that many countries used, flying in presenters and contestants to shoot 
>> episodes for a couple of weeks before the next country took over. I remember 
>> once being in Iceland where I saw the national TV company promoting their  
>> upcoming Wipeout run.  A country of just 250,000 people would never have 
>> been able to produce a series like that on their own.
>> 
>> Similarly, many countries' versions of The Wall game show used a fixed set 
>> in Poland. The UK version definitely flew contestants and the presenter 
>> there. I was left wondering how they filled the audience with enough people 
>> who understood what was going on, could understand the language and had any 
>> interest whatsoever in proceedings...
>> 
>> 
>> Adam
>> 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Foxx Still Laid Up, Cannon to Fill In for Him on 'Beat Shazam'

[Jim Ellwanger]

Wasn't another reason for starting these expatriate productions so that they 
could get full audiences of people not wearing masks? U.S. audiences (at least 
in the Los Angeles area) were being required to wear masks until recently, due 
to the unions' Covid safety agreements with the studios.


> On May 4, 2023, at 8:50 AM, Adam Bowie  wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 4:18 PM Mark Jeffries  > wrote:
>> 
>> And as to why Ireland, it's either because facilities in the U.S. are still 
>> being taken up by Peak TV or they're trying to save money (even if they have 
>> to fly contestants from the U.S. and put them up in a hotel, since there 
>> aren't enough U.S. expats in Ireland in the key demos who want to be 
>> contestants).
> 
> It's surely just a money thing. 
> 
> While Ireland does offer some significant tax credits to productions - 
> 32%-34% according to https://www.screenireland.ie/filming/section-481 - I 
> can't see that a US gameshow fits into any of their categories. But I just 
> bet that hiring out a big studio with all the lights and cameras in place 
> makes economic sense. Hosts and contestants were going to need some 
> accommodation anyway, and while it might be more to send someone from, say, 
> Dallas to Dublin than Dallas to LA, the other cost savings may be more than 
> big enough to make sense.
> 
> See also Ru Paul and Lingo being shot in Manchester (UK) rather than the US. 
> In that instance there are added savings with the same set doing double-duty 
> for the UK version, although Ru Paul only presents the primetime "celebrity" 
> version in the UK with a different presenter doing the daytime one. And from 
> what I can see, that UK celebrity version has now been cancelled. Again, 
> while the UK offers significant tax breaks, they tend to be for dramas and 
> children's shows, not game shows.
> 
> These multi-country productions make more sense when there's a really 
> elaborate set. Wipeout/Total Wipeout had a massive fixed set in Argentina 
> that many countries used, flying in presenters and contestants to shoot 
> episodes for a couple of weeks before the next country took over. I remember 
> once being in Iceland where I saw the national TV company promoting their  
> upcoming Wipeout run.  A country of just 250,000 people would never have been 
> able to produce a series like that on their own.
> 
> Similarly, many countries' versions of The Wall game show used a fixed set in 
> Poland. The UK version definitely flew contestants and the presenter there. I 
> was left wondering how they filled the audience with enough people who 
> understood what was going on, could understand the language and had any 
> interest whatsoever in proceedings...
> 
> 
> Adam
> 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Anyone else recently locked out of Twitter?

[Jim Ellwanger]

Am I the only one who dislikes using the term "application" to refer to 
something running on a website - as this article does - as opposed to a 
separate, dedicated application running on a phone/tablet/laptop/desktop 
PC/whatever?

There USED TO be an actual desktop TweetDeck application, but it was 
discontinued (shortly pre-Musk) - nowadays the website version is how I usually 
interact with Twitter, and it's still working for me as well as it has in the 
Musk era (sloow).


> On May 1, 2023, at 3:14 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is not an isolated incident: 
> https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/twitter-outage-desktop-application-cant-login/
>  (link)
> B
> 
> Moi, May 1st:
> I discovered I was logged out around 3.30-4pm today (5/1). Trying to log in 
> using my existing creds straight-out failed.
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Jerry Springer is gone

[Jim Ellwanger]

In September 1992, I saw two episodes of his show taped at NBC in Chicago 
shortly after I arrived in town as a bright-eyed college freshman. That was 
when it was still a relatively serious show, akin to "Donahue," rather than 
what it turned into.

There was a lunch break between the two shows, and I found myself in the men's 
room using the urinal next to Jerry. I couldn't think of anything to say, 
though. (I did wonder why there wasn't a separate restroom for "talent.")


> On Apr 27, 2023, at 7:51 AM, Kevin M.  wrote:
> 
> When I was an NBC Page, Springer was scheduled to appear on the Tonight show 
> to promote a straight-to-video episode of his syndicated talk show that no TV 
> station would air. The episode was entitled “I’m in love with my horse.” I 
> refused to work on the show that day. The bosses were very grumpy with me. It 
> was the only time I boycotted a guest. I stand by my decision. 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 7:42 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
> mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>> Reportedly from worsening cancer, tho V did not note as such here... 79.
>> https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/jerry-springer-dead-tv-host-1235596610/ 
>> (link)
>> 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Best way to stream “Jeopardy!”?

[Jim Ellwanger]

For the regular weeknight syndicated version, the only way to officially do it is to get a streaming service that includes local channels. (People do unofficially post episodes to YouTube, but those may be of dubious quality and will be taken down as soon as Sony finds them.)For the tournaments that air in ABC prime-time, those are available on Hulu the next day.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 20, 2023, at 7:53 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:This is about to become an issue in the house. I’m open to suggestions/recommendations.-- Kevin M. (RPCV)



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Re: [TV orNotTV] Orlando J! affiliate tosses Final, goes right to Wheel

[Jim Ellwanger]

This was almost certainly an error with their master control automation system 
(either it was programmed incorrectly in the first place, or there was a glitch 
that made it skip over the Final Jeopardy! segment), nothing specifically 
nefarious.


> On Apr 12, 2023, at 11:01 AM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
>  wrote:
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> Maybe Cox, its owner, had voluminous advert make-goods it couldn't bury in 
> some other daypart? 'Toob of the missing act here... 
> 
> https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/jeopardy-fans-livid-after-latest-game-show-mistake
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Semi OT: RIP Al Jaffee

[Jim Ellwanger]

This was my favorite tweet along those lines that I read today (by J. Elvis 
Weinstein of "Mystery Science Theater 3000"):

https://twitter.com/JElvisWeinstein/status/1645525049020153856 
J. Elvis Weinstein
twitter.com


> On Apr 10, 2023, at 9:58 PM, PGage  wrote:
> 
> When I was a kid one of my most cherished books was “Snappy Answers to Stupid 
> Questions”. I read and re-read it like it was the Bible, brought it to school 
> to share with friends, and lived for moments when I could stretch something 
> my mother or sister said into an excuse to skewer them with a snappy answer.
> 
> “Are you dead Al?”
> 
> On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 at 7:09 PM Kevin M.  > wrote:
>> The artist behind the MAD Magazine Fold-In
>> 
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/Cq30BhwOmF8/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
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Re: [TV orNotTV] variety : Oscars Draw 18.7 Million Viewers, Up 12% From Last Year

[Jim Ellwanger]

At least "The Little Mermaid" is actually a Disney film. The WB promo included 
clips of a fair number of films they now own the rights to, but which were not 
made by Warner Bros. (the most obvious example was "The Wizard of Oz").


> On Mar 14, 2023, at 12:49 PM, M-D November  wrote:
> 
> I don't get why people are making such hay about Disney's "Little Mermaid" 
> promo.  From what I saw, both of the major studios turning 100 this year - 
> Disney & Warners - were given a few minutes to do with as they saw fit.  WB 
> ran a fairly generic "100 years" promo, but since Disney ran that play at the 
> Super Bowl (and had a proper ad placement for that same "100 Years" 
> commercial), they promoted TLM.  I honestly don't see anything wrong with it.
> 
> On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 2:58:09 PM UTC-4 Tom Wolper wrote:
>> I tuned in to watch a bit of it, which I haven’t done for the last 20 years 
>> at least. I thought it was well put together and moved along at a good pace. 
>> Luckily I turned it off before the Little Mermaid promo which might have 
>> changed my opinion.
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 12:37 PM Kevin M. > wrote:
>>> How many people were tuning in just to see the host get assaulted?
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 9:20 AM Steve Timko > wrote:
 https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/2023-oscar-ratings-academy-awards-audience-1235550070/
  - Oscars Draw 18.7 Million Viewers, Up 12% From Last Year 
 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] 'SNL' Pre-Show Segment Editors to Strike

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And if there's anyone who knows "funny," it's comedy genius Aaron Sorkin!


> On Mar 12, 2023, at 2:07 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:
> 
> To quote Sorkin, “They forgot to bring the funny.” 
> 
> On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 1:48 PM Dave Sikula  > wrote:
>> Thank you for (inadvertently) proving my point.
>> 
>> —Dave Sikula
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 12, 2023, at 12:01 PM, Steve Timko >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 1:51 AM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV 
>>> mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
 Losing those horrific nepotistic segments would only boost the show's 
 entertainment value. They generally make "Laser Cats" look like "Citizen 
 Kane."
 
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>>> 
 I disagree. Judge for yourself.
>>> https://youtu.be/6SK7GHDgmmA 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Stephen Fry to present UK version of Jeopardy

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"Jeopardy!" is just a faster-paced version of "QI" without the joke answers. 
(I'm only sort of kidding.)

> On Feb 27, 2023, at 2:18 AM, Adam Bowie  wrote:
> 
> There have been a couple of attempts in the past to bring Jeopardy to UK 
> audiences, although I confess that they have all completely passed me by. 
> 
> This feels like a significantly bigger play with Fry taking on hosting 
> duties. Beyond the odd presenting stint on Have I Got News For You, I can't 
> recall him doing something like this before, and I'm not 100% sure that it's 
> his wheelhouse to be honest. But the proof will be in the pudding.
> 
> It's only 20 episodes in the first instance (a tiny order for a daytime quiz 
> show), so I guess either Fry's work commitments limit things, or ITV isn't 
> 100% sure yet.
> 
> https://deadline.com/2023/02/stephen-fry-jeopardy-itv-uk-1235272799/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Regional Sports Networks are in deep trouble

[Jim Ellwanger]

Shortly after seeing this story earlier today, I noticed Bally Sports tweet to 
promote a sponsored giveaway item that's scheduled for the Tampa Bay Rays game 
on July 9th. I hope the Rays got the sponsorship money up front. 
https://twitter.com/BallyRays/status/1626257396002656262


> On Feb 16, 2023, at 2:53 PM, Tom Wolper  wrote:
> 
> I watch a lot of out of market hockey on ESPN+ and I notice that a lot of 
> games are carried on Bally stations. Bally Sports is owned by the Diamond 
> Sports Group which is, in turn, owned by Sinclair. I was surprised to see the 
> article linked below about a press conference given by MLB Commissioner Rob 
> Manfred about what the MLB will do with DSG’s upcoming bankruptcy.
> 
> DSG bought the rights to baseball from FOX for $10.4 billion a couple of 
> years ago and took out an $8 billion loan. This month they defaulted on a 
> $140 million interest payment which means they are headed for bankruptcy 
> court and a reorganization. That would make baseball (and hockey) teams that 
> have contracts with them into creditors who stand to get only a fraction of 
> what they are owed under contract.
> 
> The reason DSG gives for their financial woes is the drop in revenue due to 
> cord cutting. Apparently AT Sports Networks are going through similar 
> problems as they paid baseball teams less than they were owed recently.
> 
> https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/35668388/rob-manfred-mlb-ready-diamond-sports-group-pay-teams
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Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS reviewing captioning policy after Bad Bunny issue at Grammys

[Jim Ellwanger]

Based on my experiences during my closed-captioning career, the CBS president's 
statement "We worked with a closed captioning vendor that did not execute at a 
standard to which we should rightfully be held" is code for "We didn't spend 
enough money on the captioning for them to use a bilingual live captioner, but 
I guess we're going to be forced to shell out the extra cash from now on." 
(It's also highly likely that the Grammys didn't care enough about the 
captioning to provide the captioners with a rundown so that they could prepare 
captions for the song lyrics in advance, although that obviously wouldn't have 
helped with the Bad Bunny acceptance speech.)


> On Feb 10, 2023, at 6:55 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
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> The generic "speaking/singing in non-English" subtitle, natch, didn't go over 
> too well... especially with California congressmember Robert Garcia, to whose 
> complaint network head George Cheeks responded Friday (10)...
> 
> https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/cbs-live-closed-captioning-bad-bunny-grammys-controversy-1235519958/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] late late night news

[Jim Ellwanger]

I'll admit that I liked it, too, although I only watched occasionally (mainly 
when a comedian I really liked was among the "competitors").

I wonder if the new version is going to open with the host saying "It's 12:36 
and 59 seconds."


> On Feb 8, 2023, at 11:21 AM, M-D November  wrote:
> 
> *raises hand*
> 
> I know I'm in the minority here, but I really enjoyed the original run of 
> @midnight and was not happy when CC pulled it, so I'm glad to see it coming 
> back in some form. 
> 
> I do have concerns that having the show air on CBS will tone down some of the 
> humor, but I can see the panel remaining heavy on comedians - the original 
> tried a few episodes with less-comedically-inclined actor types and the 
> results were not great - although the key concern is going to be who gets 
> tapped as host.  With Hardwick out of the picture (I thought he got cleared 
> of his accusations, since he was back on AMC, but...*shrug*), finding someone 
> who can manage the pace of the game and still keep up the manic energy of a 
> show that described itself as "Jeopardy but with dick jokes" is going to be 
> critical for the success of the show.
> 
> And for what it's worth, #f**kspacekaren.
> On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 9:22:40 PM UTC-5 PGage wrote:
>> Hard to believe anyone in the world has been crossing their fingers hoping 
>> for an @Midnight reboot. But this is exactly the kind of choice that makes 
>> sense: easy to produce, allows for stars of films to TV shows to serve as 
>> panelists to pimp projects (totally expect at least one non-comic chair per 
>> night) and, most of all, very cheap. From what I can tell Corden makes 
>> $9M/year. Whoever hosts this new thing will I suspect make no more than 10% 
>> of that.
>> 
>> They could have made up a new format, but one is as good as another, and I 
>> guess they already own this one. Find a likable youngish host ( if this were 
>> NBC the host would be Bowen Yang, not sure if the Paramount Universe has 
>> anyone similar - maybe a TDS correspondent?).
>> 
>> On Tue, 7 Feb 2023 at 5:23 PM Doug Eastick > wrote:
>>> Meh.
>>> 
>>> I wasn't sure what to expect as a replacement, but that choice doesn't give 
>>> me much "I'll give that a try" feeling.
>>> 
>>> So then, west coast late night shows for PR rounds of TV/movie people is 
>>> just Kimmel then?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2023 at 8:18 PM Jon Delfin > wrote:
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Re: [TV orNotTV] late late night news

[Jim Ellwanger]

I’m sure Elon Musk is looking forward to the return of Hashtag Wars to increase 
Twitter engagement.

> On Feb 7, 2023, at 6:22 PM, PGage  wrote:
> 
> Hard to believe anyone in the world has been crossing their fingers hoping 
> for an @Midnight reboot. But this is exactly the kind of choice that makes 
> sense: easy to produce, allows for stars of films to TV shows to serve as 
> panelists to pimp projects (totally expect at least one non-comic chair per 
> night) and, most of all, very cheap. From what I can tell Corden makes 
> $9M/year. Whoever hosts this new thing will I suspect make no more than 10% 
> of that.
> 
> They could have made up a new format, but one is as good as another, and I 
> guess they already own this one. Find a likable youngish host ( if this were 
> NBC the host would be Bowen Yang, not sure if the Paramount Universe has 
> anyone similar - maybe a TDS correspondent?).
> 
> On Tue, 7 Feb 2023 at 5:23 PM Doug Eastick  > wrote:
>> Meh.
>> 
>> I wasn't sure what to expect as a replacement, but that choice doesn't give 
>> me much "I'll give that a try" feeling.
>> 
>> So then, west coast late night shows for PR rounds of TV/movie people is 
>> just Kimmel then?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2023 at 8:18 PM Jon Delfin > > wrote:
>>> https://tvline.com/2023/02/07/at-midnight-reboot-replacing-late-late-show-james-corden-cbs/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Quickie Review: The Last of Us

[Jim Ellwanger]

I totally disagree with this, especially after episode 3.

> On Feb 5, 2023, at 8:53 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:
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> Uninspired and boring… and the bad guys look comically bad. The “mutants” in 
> This Island Earth were more realistic. 
> 
> On HBO
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Nexstar Sends CDub Scripted Execs Packing

[Jim Ellwanger]

Am I misunderstanding what you're asking? The majority owners of the other 
networks have their O affiliated with the network. (That said, it's 
obviously a big jump from Disney/ABC owning 8 stations nationwide to Nexstar 
owning or controlling 197.)


> On Feb 3, 2023, at 9:38 AM, Brad Beam  wrote:
>
> Ed. note: Of course, not all CW affiliates are Nexstar-owned.
>
> Would the FCC anything say to a majority owner of a network (e.g., Nexstar) 
> having all its O - well, one per market - affiliate with said network?
>
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>> On Feb 3, 2023, at 10:29, Mark Jeffries  wrote:
>>
>> The obvious plan here is to do as little domestic scripted as possible and 
>> fill the rest of the schedule with unscripted and overseas pickups that will 
>> appeal to the over-55s who watch the 10 p.m./9 p.m. CT newscasts on 
>> Nexstar's owned stations.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Peacock announce Sunday MLB sked

[Jim Ellwanger]

This package, which began last year, includes 2 hours of exclusivity -- most 
Sunday home games in the Eastern time zone used to have a 1:00 P.M. start time, 
but beginning last season, teams had to move that back half an hour to 1:30 P.M.


> On Jan 31, 2023, at 1:36 PM, PGage  wrote:
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> That’s a little early in the morning for baseball out here on the left coast, 
> but I’ll try it.
> 
> On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 at 11:45 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
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>> And Jason Benetti will presumably be available despite his Fox contract, as 
>> the MLB team whose games he's also done locally says he'll stay with 
>> NBCSports Chicago...
>> 
>> http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2023/01/31/peacock-and-nbc-sports-announce-2023-mlb-sunday-leadoff-schedule-629314/20230131nbc01/
>>  (pee-arr)
>> https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1618719182224506881 (link)
>> 
>> 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] consolidation

[Jim Ellwanger]

If I recall correctly, "Showtime Anytime" is a different app than just plain 
"Showtime."  (It's the same situation as "HBO Now" versus "HBO Go," which were 
two different apps, prior to the creation of HBO Max.)

What if you start at the "Sign In" link in the upper right of the Showtime 
Anytime website? https://www.showtimeanytime.com/


> On Jan 30, 2023, at 8:04 PM, Jon Delfin  wrote:
> 
> I just brought up the Showtime app on the Roku 
> 
> 3 options of packages (sho, sho + mgm+, sho + starz)
> 
> free trials available before billing begins
> 
> if logging in with my cable account is an option, they're keeping that hidden 
> (nothing mentioned if I "press * to learn more") 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2023, 7:25 PM PGage  > wrote:
>> I see, hence your HBO analogy. 
>> 
>> Still it seems that if you have Showtime (don’t they have some kind of 
>> Showtime Now or Go) available thru streaming, that will now also give you 
>> access to P+ ?
>> 
>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 at 4:16 PM Jon Delfin > > wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 7:13 PM PGage >> > wrote:
 I think they are saying if you currently pay $9.99 for P+Premium, you will 
 now get everything you had before plus Showtime at no additional cost. 
 That would describe me, so I am happy. But I assume if you currently pay 
 for Showtime (must be at least $9.99) and not P+, you will now get P+ 
 without ads for no additional cost (or less, if Showtime is currently more 
 than $9.99). Seems like you should be happy.
>>> 
>>> I get Showtime in my cable bundle, and pay for P+ separately. I can't break 
>>> Showtime out of the bundle without changing my account setup. Somehow, I am 
>>> not happy. 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] consolidation

[Jim Ellwanger]

Do you currently have access to the Showtime Anytime app using your cable 
company account login? I suspect, once this rebranding is complete, you will 
instead be able to log in to the P+ app with that login (which means you could 
drop your separate P+ subscription).


> On Jan 30, 2023, at 4:15 PM, Jon Delfin  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 7:13 PM PGage  > wrote:
>> I think they are saying if you currently pay $9.99 for P+Premium, you will 
>> now get everything you had before plus Showtime at no additional cost. That 
>> would describe me, so I am happy. But I assume if you currently pay for 
>> Showtime (must be at least $9.99) and not P+, you will now get P+ without 
>> ads for no additional cost (or less, if Showtime is currently more than 
>> $9.99). Seems like you should be happy.
> 
> I get Showtime in my cable bundle, and pay for P+ separately. I can't break 
> Showtime out of the bundle without changing my account setup. Somehow, I am 
> not happy. 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Jay Leno fired from CNBC

[Jim Ellwanger]

Back in the 1980s, one of CNBC's predecessors was known as "FNN/Score" - 
financial news during the day, sports news and talk shows at night and on 
weekends. (Obviously, they couldn't compete with ESPN, especially with no 
actual sporting events to broadcast.)


> On Jan 27, 2023, at 9:08 AM, Paul Murray  wrote:
> 
> The thing is, CNBC could show a test pattern from roughly 7 pm to 5 am. What 
> does a financial network show other than for a few hours before, after and 
> during the time  that the market is open?
> 
> I'd rather watch Jay talk about cars he enjoys than a lot of the other filler 
> they use. If I had cable, I mean.
> 
> Speaking of which, I see that CNBC is trying another 7 pm newscast. I thought 
> they gave up after the Shep Smith attempt, which I seem to recall was 
> respected but evidently didn't draw the ratings CNBC was hoping for. My 
> question is, what makes them think this time will be different?
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 11:49:43 PM UTC-5 Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:
>> The garage is closed. Or it will stay on YouTube where it belongs.
>> 
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/jay-leno-nbc-career-cnbc-cancels-jay-leno-garage-1235311065/amp/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Quick review: Night Court

[Jim Ellwanger]

I wonder how much this is part of the issue: 2020s "Night Court" episodes are 
probably 3-4 minutes shorter than 1980s "Night Court" episodes due to the 
increase in commercial time. (I also wonder if that's why they only have one 
bailiff instead of two.)


> On Jan 18, 2023, at 8:07 PM, Tom Wolper  wrote:
> 
> One of the core ideas of the original Night Court, which it inherited from 
> Barney Miller, was to bring New York’s weirdo characters into the squad 
> room/courtroom every week. They served as a snapshot of what was going on in 
> Manhattan at the time. So far, this iteration of Night Court treats the 
> trials and defendants as disposable and makes no effort to make them part of 
> the fabric of the show.
> 
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 7:20 PM Brad Beam  > wrote:
>> From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com  
>> [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com ] On 
>> Behalf Of Jon Delfin
>> 
>> 
>> >Fienberg at THR said his review was based on seeing six episodes, and that 
>> >three were okay, while the other three weren't. I'm guessing last night's 
>> >pair were in the latter group.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The show should move on from "It's what Dad would've wanted" and stick with 
>> the surrealness  (e.g., the Getty Museum) that made the original fun to 
>> watch.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] They'll really like her again

[Jim Ellwanger]

They must have come to SOME terms, since they're specifically on the Netflix 
YouTube channel.

> On Jan 18, 2023, at 6:23 PM, Mark Jeffries  wrote:
> 
> Next year, they'll be on Netflix.  The Service and SAG-AFTRA couldn't come to 
> terms in time--and besides, I believe Netflix wants the Chris Rock concert in 
> March to be their first livestream.
> 
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> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 4:11 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
> mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>> Sally Field will receive a Life Achievement Award Feb 26th during the next 
>> SAG Awards, which apparently have been demoted to YouTube streaming... 
>> 
>> https://deadline.com/2023/01/sally-field-2023-sag-life-achievement-award-1235224389/
>>  (link)
>> 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Spielberg, TV director?

[Jim Ellwanger]

He has had jobs as a TV director before (early in his career, he directed 
individual episodes of various series, and the first feature-length film he 
directed was notably a made-for-TV movie, "Duel"). The article is referring to 
the possibility of him directing every episode of a limited-run series. I'll 
grant that the Variety article is a bit confusing with its use of the phrase 
"TV show."


> On Jan 17, 2023, at 3:32 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
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> 
> He came close to getting such a job at least once, he told 
> Bateman/Hayes/Arnett on their Smartless podcast... and he's willing to do a 
> series "someday"...
> 
> https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/steven-spielberg-plans-direct-tv-lincoln-hbo-series-1235491930/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] ‘Jeopardy!’ TV Universe expands

[Jim Ellwanger]

And while we're at it, the regular syndicated editions of "Jeopardy!" and 
"Wheel of Fortune" have been renewed through the 2027-28 season by the ABC 
owned-and-operated stations, which is the largest group of stations that 
carries those shows. That almost certainly assures that other stations will 
fall in line with their own renewals.

https://deadline.com/2023/01/wheel-of-fortune-jeopardy-renewed-at-abc-1235216648/


> On Jan 11, 2023, at 9:34 AM, Brad Beam  wrote:
> 
> A “Masters” edition on ABC, with six recent super-champs. Ken will host.
> https://deadline.com/2023/01/jeopardy-masters-elite-quiz-iteration-ordered-at-abc-1235217706/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] How ESPN Covered MNF Medical Emergency

[Jim Ellwanger]

To add to your opinion: during a game on August 16, 1920, Ray Chapman of the 
Cleveland baseball team was hit in the head by a pitch, collapsed, and died in 
the hospital 12 hours later -- and you may notice that professional baseball 
still exists. That said, that incident did prompt the major leagues to make a 
couple of rule changes, and that's pretty much the extent of what I expect to 
happen as a result of what happened in the NFL last night.

(True, the 1920 baseball game was not broadcast and wasn't even filmed, so 
comparatively few people actually saw the injury and its aftermath, unlike last 
night's NFL game... but conversely, there is a LOT more money involved in the 
NFL today than there was in the baseball major leagues in 1920.)

If you're curious about the baseball rule changes: because it was likely that a 
major contributor to Chapman's injury was the ball being discolored, the major 
leagues banned spitballs, and instructed umpires to start removing baseballs 
from play whenever they got dirty. (Batting helmets were not made mandatory 
until 1971.)


> On Jan 3, 2023, at 8:45 AM, Kevin M.  wrote:
> 
> My brother is the biggest pro football fan I’ve ever encountered; he said the 
> events of last night were the beginning of the end of football. I’d like to 
> think he is correct, however we are a nation that experiences a mass shooting 
> nearly every day, but does nothing to limit guns. America simply doesn’t care 
> if football players live or die, as long as they have a game to watch. 
> 
> The only thing I saw that was potentially noteworthy was that the decision to 
> end the game came from he coaches; the NFL allegedly wanted the game to 
> resume shortly after the dying man was removed from the field. That’s very 
> telling. 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 8:34 AM PGage  > wrote:
>> I am no cheerleader for the NFL, ESPN, or Joe Buck, but I give Buck, Aikman 
>> and ESPN generally positive marks for how they handled an unprecedented 
>> medical emergency during last night’s MNF telecast. 
>> 
>> As the severity of the incident became clear they were respectful and 
>> restrained, and avoided speculation. When there wasn’t anything to say, they 
>> noted that, and didn’t say anything. I thought it was smart to switch to the 
>> studio and let those people fill time, rather than than have the 
>> broadcasters on site do that. sideline reporter Lisa Salter really 
>> distinguished herself, reporting what she could observe, filtering out what 
>> must have been a flood of rumors and speculation, all while allowing her 
>> humanity and emotion to appropriately come through.
>> 
>> One problem with the restraint they showed is it created a vacuum into which 
>> anti-vax poison got injected over social media. Qualified physicians could 
>> tell what had likely happened, but I think ESPN was right not to put one of 
>> those on, and instead restrict themselves to what was actually known.
>> 
>> Hoping for the best for Damar Hamlin, and all the young people who had to 
>> experience that. Until you actually witness medical professions engage in 
>> life saving intervention, it is difficult to prepare yourself for what it is 
>> like, and the sense that you might be watching someone you care about die. I 
>> am often critical of cliched provision of mental health counselors to the 
>> scene of emergencies, but this is a case where some of those folks are going 
>> to need someone to talk to.
>> 
>> “The eerie and heartbreaking scene that unfolded on the field in the 
>> aftermath of Damar Hamlin’s collapse during Monday night’s Buffalo 
>> Bills-Cincinnati Bengals game presented a virtually unprecedented scenario 
>> for ESPN’s football broadcast. As the network toggled between the game 
>> broadcast crew in Cincinnati and a subdued studio set in New York, a news 
>> outlet that had prepared to cover one of the season’s biggest games suddenly 
>> found itself covering a medical calamity.
>> 
>> Viewers at home watched the developing story unfold slowly as commentators 
>> Joe Buck and Troy Aikman and sideline reporter Lisa Salters received 
>> information and relayed it in real time. Over the next three hours, the 
>> broadcast was measured, informative and emotional. Analysts, hosts and 
>> reporters tried to make sense of a lengthy delay and an initial report that 
>> play would resume; grappled with the obvious severity of the injury; and 
>> then finally made impassioned appeals for the game to be suspended for the 
>> night, a choice the NFL eventually made.”
>> 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Mini review: The Wheel

[Jim Ellwanger]

NBC decided to cram four hours of television into three hours of space tonight 
(following "The Wheel," they reran a 3-episode "Law & Order" crossover event), 
so to make room, they eliminated most of the commercial breaks.


> On Dec 29, 2022, at 8:43 PM, Melissa P  wrote:
> 
> HWCNBN fans are curious about the missing commercial breaks, 2 or 3, I think, 
> in tonight’s show. 
> 
> I don’t believe I’ve seen that before. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Dec 21, 2022, at 12:50 AM, Jim Ellwanger  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> A couple of other notes I have to pass along...
>> 
>> - These shows were taped in October 2021.
>> 
>> - Michael McIntyre, the host, often complained about having to repeatedly 
>> say "it's one in three, who's it gonna be," saying that NBC forced him to 
>> have a rhyming catchphrase.
>> 
>> - McIntyre also pointed out that, in trying to sell the show overseas, 
>> they'd emphasized to NBC that it was the highest-rated show on British 
>> television in 2020... but didn't mention that when it aired, it was really 
>> the only show airing new episodes.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 20, 2022, at 11:01 AM, Melissa P  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for that explanation. I had no idea who Nikki Bella was. Guess I 
>>> could’ve googled. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 20, 2022, at 1:21 PM, M-D November  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Nikki's fine until she opens her mouth and you remember that one of her 
>>>> major weaknesses in WWE was her total inability to cut a promo worth half 
>>>> a damn. You'd think the time she'd have picked SOMETHING up from John Cena 
>>>> for all the time they were together.
>>>> 
>>>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 10:38:55 AM UTC-5 Mark Jeffries wrote:
>>>>> It's stupid in a harmless way.  And if you like mammary glands there's 
>>>>> Nikki Bella.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark Jeffries
>>>>> spotl...@gmail.com <>
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 10:35 PM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV 
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> Kornacki also appears on "Football Night in America" so he might have a 
>>>>>> bad contract/needs the money.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I might have to take one for the list and see if the Blake 
>>>>>> Shelton/Carson Daly show "Barmageddon" is stupider than this apparent 
>>>>>> train wreck.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> David
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 08:25:15 PM PST, Doug Eastick 
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've only watched 11 minutes and it is really stupid.Two of the six 
>>>>>> Stars on the wheel are former Celebrity Big Brother contestants. Nuff 
>>>>>> said.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> How did Steve Kornacki get sucked into a chair on that show? Wow 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NFL Sunday Ticket to YouTube

[Jim Ellwanger]

To clarify, that "$150/month" figure appears to be taking the cost for a basic 
DirecTV package and adding it to the cost for the NFL Sunday Ticket add-on 
(DirecTV charged the same $300/season as Google is going to be charging, 
although in practice, DirecTV usually split the cost across six months' worth 
of bills).

The difference is that Google will make NFL Sunday Ticket available on a 
standalone basis, but if you're also paying for YouTube TV (or any similar 
cable/satellite/streaming service), the total cost would end up being close to 
that "$150/month" figure anyway.

(Also, in practice, DirecTV would use NFL Sunday Ticket as a "loss leader," 
giving it free or at a discount to new customers and even some of their 
existing customers -- as an existing customer, I got it free in both 2021 and 
2022 without even asking, with a midlevel package and the MLB Extra Innings 
package as my only premium add-on.)



> On Dec 26, 2022, at 10:14 AM, PGage  wrote:
> 
> Peter King at NBC Spirts is reporting cost will be $300/season, which is a 
> significant reduction to the costumer (current cost ~$150/month, which comes 
> to about $600 for the season. I have not had it for many years, wow that 
> sounds high).
> 
> I already use YoutubeTV, so I may try this next season, though still not sure 
> how this will relate to the NFL RedZone, which I already pay some kind of 
> premium for. I have a feeling that with occasional exceptions I would mostly 
> want to watch NFL RedZone anyway, so may not feel worth it.
> 
> https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10059767-king-nfl-sunday-ticket-price-on-youtube-tv-estimated-to-be-around-300-for-consumer
> 
> 
> On Thu, 22 Dec 2022 at 8:50 AM Mark Jeffries  > wrote:
>> The Google division is shelling out $8B for the rights to the out-of-market 
>> games package to the Internet's most-watched streamer--it'll be available 
>> starting next season as an add-on to the faux cable package YouTube TV or 
>> from the recently-introduced YouTube Primetime Channels, from which you can 
>> subscribe to various streamers and premium services:
>> 
>> https://www.thewrap.com/youtube-secures-rights-to-nfl-sunday-package/?utm_source=newsletter_medium=email_campaign=breaking_news_7192841
>> 
>> DirecTV had the exclusive rights for many years and will lose them at the 
>> end of the season.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Mini review: The Wheel

[Jim Ellwanger]

A couple of other notes I have to pass along...

- These shows were taped in October 2021.

- Michael McIntyre, the host, often complained about having to repeatedly say 
"it's one in three, who's it gonna be," saying that NBC forced him to have a 
rhyming catchphrase.

- McIntyre also pointed out that, in trying to sell the show overseas, they'd 
emphasized to NBC that it was the highest-rated show on British television in 
2020... but didn't mention that when it aired, it was really the only show 
airing new episodes.


> On Dec 20, 2022, at 11:01 AM, Melissa P  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that explanation. I had no idea who Nikki Bella was. Guess I 
> could’ve googled. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Dec 20, 2022, at 1:21 PM, M-D November  wrote:
>> 
>> Nikki's fine until she opens her mouth and you remember that one of her 
>> major weaknesses in WWE was her total inability to cut a promo worth half a 
>> damn. You'd think the time she'd have picked SOMETHING up from John Cena for 
>> all the time they were together.
>> 
>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 10:38:55 AM UTC-5 Mark Jeffries wrote:
>>> It's stupid in a harmless way.  And if you like mammary glands there's 
>>> Nikki Bella.
>>> 
>>> Mark Jeffries
>>> spotl...@gmail.com <>
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 10:35 PM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV 
>>> > wrote:
 Kornacki also appears on "Football Night in America" so he might have a 
 bad contract/needs the money.
 
 I might have to take one for the list and see if the Blake Shelton/Carson 
 Daly show "Barmageddon" is stupider than this apparent train wreck.
 
 David
 
 On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 08:25:15 PM PST, Doug Eastick 
 > wrote:
 
 
 I've only watched 11 minutes and it is really stupid.Two of the six 
 Stars on the wheel are former Celebrity Big Brother contestants. Nuff said.
 
 How did Steve Kornacki get sucked into a chair on that show? Wow 
 
 
 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Mini review: The Wheel

[Jim Ellwanger]

I have a friend who worked as a researcher on the show, and he said they had a 
big problem with the originally scheduled celebrities dropping out at the last 
minute, which meant having to write a lot of new questions at the last minute 
for whatever replacements they could scrounge up.


> On Dec 19, 2022, at 7:14 PM, Doug Eastick  wrote:
> 
> I've only watched 11 minutes and it is really stupid.Two of the six Stars 
> on the wheel are former Celebrity Big Brother contestants. Nuff said.
> 
> How did Steve Kornacki get sucked into a chair on that show? Wow 
> 
> 
> 
> /Doug 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Semi-OT: Shameless self promotion - The Get Off My Lawn Podcast is back!

[Jim Ellwanger]

Not sure I would use the term “community radio station” to describe a 
commercial radio station owned by a major media corporation - “community radio” 
has a specific meaning, which does not describe KGO, under any format: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_radio


> On Dec 7, 2022, at 9:26 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:
> 
> Three new episodes have been posted so far, two are television related. I 
> talked to This Old House host Kevin O’Connor, and I talked to writer Mike 
> Reiss about everything from Johnny Carson and Garry Shandling to The Simpsons 
> and The Critic.
> 
> https://soundcloud.com/getoffmylawnpodcast?ref=clipboard=i=1=0D1712AE76C043DB81F4BBA2F4FF4918_source=clipboard_medium=text_campaign=social_sharing
> 
> Coming up, I’ve got two different radio personalities, both named Mark 
> Thompson. First the longtime cohost of the Mark and Brian program who has 
> written a book reflecting on 50 years of broadcasting, then the Mark who had 
> to sign off on Northern California’s community radio station KGO as it 
> shifted format 15 minutes into his program.
> 
> Anyway, give the new episodes a chance. 
> 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] ABC News brings back Love in the Afternoon

[Jim Ellwanger]

The newscast portions of "GMA" had always been produced by ABC News, and the 
rest of the show was transferred from the Entertainment division to ABC News in 
1995.


> On Dec 6, 2022, at 7:53 AM, PGage  wrote:
> 
> 1. I literally have never heard of this program until the story started 
> circulating.
> 
> 2. I am surprised that GMA is produced from the News Division at ABC. Back in 
> the day, while Today was an NBC News production, I thought GMA was noted by 
> being produced by ABC entertainment. Or am I misremembering that?
> 
> 3. The early versions of this story that I read indicated that each of these 
> two had been separated from their spouses at the time they started hooking 
> up, not that it is really any of our business.
> 
> 4. The story mentions the icky case of The Morning Joe couple. Why would that 
> have been accepted and this a cause for discipline of some kind? Is it 
> because Joe is on cable?
> 
> On Tue, 6 Dec 2022 at 7:17 AM Brad Beam  > wrote:
>> “GMA3” is running on substitute hosts for the time being while the news 
>> division decides what to do with the co-anchors finding love on the desk, 
>> much to the consternation of their spouses.
>> https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/abc-news-benches-amy-robach-t-j-holmes-gma3-1235450141/
>> 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Columbo : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

[Jim Ellwanger]

(whispers) Not everything on archive.org  has the proper 
legal rights to be there.

> On Nov 23, 2022, at 4:31 PM, Doug Eastick  wrote:
> 
> https://archive.org/details/columbo
> 
> Someone posted this on Twitter. Not sure how it was given, rights-wise.
> 
> 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] DJT's name turns up in Elton's song lyrics during Disney+ concert special

[Jim Ellwanger]

I wasn't watching (and can't tell from the screenshots), but based on the 
review of the first show in the run that I read in Saturday's L.A. Times, it's 
extremely likely that Elton John was not sticking to the exact song lyrics as 
available on genius.com <http://genius.com/> (or wherever), necessitating the 
captioner doing the captions live rather than just sending out a file of the 
lyrics at that exact moment.

Disney may well have put the fear of God into the captioning company, telling 
them that if the official lyrics say "and he shall be Levon" and Elton John 
sings "he shall be Levon," they better not see that "and" in the captions.

Based on my concertgoing experiences, I can't imagine that anything Elton John 
said between songs was scripted enough that they could have provided the text 
to the captioning company in advance.


> On Nov 21, 2022, at 4:37 PM, Adam Bowie  wrote:
> 
> I suspect that using a stenographer is exactly what they did. But I've got to 
> question why.
> 
> The entire concert's setlist will have been known up front, so they could 
> have pre-loaded all the lyrics to all the songs in advance. 
> 
> Then the captioner just needs to do the equivalent of "copy and paste" as the 
> songs progress. In fact, a good system just probably needs a press of the 
> space bar or something to "paste" in the next line. Indeed, I've seen this 
> happen on multiple occasions in the past. E.g. The Eurovision song contest. 
> 
> You might still need to live caption anything spontaneous, but even most of 
> the between-song dialogue is likely to follow a formula and be heavily 
> scripted.
> 
> I could understand the mistakes for something largely unscripted like a chat 
> show, but a heavily produced concert makes no sense.
> 
> 
> Adam
> 
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 12:07 AM Jim Ellwanger  <mailto:train...@ellwanger.tv>> wrote:
>> Since I used to be involved with this kind of stuff, many years ago...
>> 
>> For a high-profile live event like this, they almost certainly had the 
>> captioning done by a stenocaptioner, who was using a court reporter's 
>> machine with its special keyboard. They're going syllable by syllable, 
>> phoneme by phoneme, pressing several keys at once to create stenographic 
>> text -- it looks like gobbledygook to the naked eye, but they've previously 
>> programmed a computer to translate the raw output into actual English.
>> 
>> When it's a phrase that might come up repeatedly, they can also create a 
>> short form of that phrase - for example, instead of doing the keystrokes for 
>> "DON-ALD-[space]-TRUMP" every time, they might program their computer so 
>> that they can just keystroke "DT" and have it come out as "DONALD TRUMP."
>> 
>> Therefore, when a stenocaptioner makes a typo (presses one wrong key), it 
>> usually doesn't just come out as one letter being incorrect, it comes out as 
>> a few letters of gibberish... or a completely wrong word or phrase, which 
>> appears to be what happened here.
>> 
>> Incidentally, the best stenocaptioners have a 99.8% accuracy rate, which 
>> basically means they're incorrect on 2 words out of every 1,000 -- but since 
>> people speak about 150 words per minute, even the best stenocaptioner will 
>> have an error every 3 or 4 minutes.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 21, 2022, at 3:18 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
>>> mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Might be the most bizarre autocorrect story I've ever read. The errors were 
>>> corrected for nonlive streams.
>>> https://deadline.com/2022/11/disney-removes-donald-trump-references-elton-john-concert-technical-error-1235179462/
>>>  (link)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] DJT's name turns up in Elton's song lyrics during Disney+ concert special

[Jim Ellwanger]

Since I used to be involved with this kind of stuff, many years ago...

For a high-profile live event like this, they almost certainly had the 
captioning done by a stenocaptioner, who was using a court reporter's machine 
with its special keyboard. They're going syllable by syllable, phoneme by 
phoneme, pressing several keys at once to create stenographic text -- it looks 
like gobbledygook to the naked eye, but they've previously programmed a 
computer to translate the raw output into actual English.

When it's a phrase that might come up repeatedly, they can also create a short 
form of that phrase - for example, instead of doing the keystrokes for 
"DON-ALD-[space]-TRUMP" every time, they might program their computer so that 
they can just keystroke "DT" and have it come out as "DONALD TRUMP."

Therefore, when a stenocaptioner makes a typo (presses one wrong key), it 
usually doesn't just come out as one letter being incorrect, it comes out as a 
few letters of gibberish... or a completely wrong word or phrase, which appears 
to be what happened here.

Incidentally, the best stenocaptioners have a 99.8% accuracy rate, which 
basically means they're incorrect on 2 words out of every 1,000 -- but since 
people speak about 150 words per minute, even the best stenocaptioner will have 
an error every 3 or 4 minutes.



> On Nov 21, 2022, at 3:18 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
>  wrote:
> 
> Might be the most bizarre autocorrect story I've ever read. The errors were 
> corrected for nonlive streams.
> https://deadline.com/2022/11/disney-removes-donald-trump-references-elton-john-concert-technical-error-1235179462/
>  (link)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Mariah C denied "Queen of Christmas" trademark

[Jim Ellwanger]

Lucy is the Christmas Queen™, not the Queen of Christmas.


> On Nov 17, 2022, at 7:51 AM, Kevin M.  wrote:
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> Anyone can use that phrase, even Linus’ sister Lucy. 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 7:34 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
> mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>> Govt says Elizabeth Chan, among others, allowed use of the phrase... Darlene 
>> Love, f'rinstance, was thrilled...
>> https://variety.com/2022/music/news/mariah-carey-loses-queen-christmas-trademark-bid-objection-elizabeth-chan-1235434668/
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