Re: [U2] the 4 letter word
Some people have really weird tastes. :) You can obviously smoke your cigar in the privacy of your home and use GOTO in the code nobody else will have to deal with. But you can't expect today either to smoke in a room where non-smokers work or program GOTO style in a team of programmers who try to create the code that supposed to be supportable. - Original Message - From: Larry Hiscock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 7:51 PM Subject: RE: [U2] the 4 letter word The-command-that-must-not-be-named is like a fine cigar. You know you shouldn't. You know it's bad for you. Nonetheless, it's satisfying when done right. If the use of GOTO is not proper in UniBasic, why does the language include the verb? I have plenty of electric power sockets in my house. I STILL like to crank up my Victrola and listen to Les Brown and His Band of Renown on 78 once in a while. Larry Hiscock Western Computer Services -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Serguei Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 9:57 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] the 4 letter word Using GOTO properly is using it in languages that cannot be programmed without GOTO. For example Fortran 4 or original Basic. Using it e.g. in Fortran 77 or in UniBasic would already be not a proper use. The same as playing records on crank record player would be good idea if you have no electric power socket in your house. - Original Message - From: George Gallen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 4:59 PM Subject: RE: [U2] the 4 letter word The important part here is knowing when to use it properly. Even a hand crank record player can be used properly. Just because there are better ways or alternative ways doesn't make the the manual record player unusable. Just think, if the power grid goes down, you would jump at the opportunity to use the hand crank record player.however, how that relates to the command...your guess. George -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 11:31 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] the 4 letter word And are you still using a hand crank record player too?? zing -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Johnson Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 20:08 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] the 4 letter word Being one of the most (four letter word) supporters (probably because I understand how to use it properly), notice I didn't bring it up. Mark Johnson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/117 - Release Date: 10/3/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/117 - Release Date: 10/3/2005 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] the 4 letter word
And the next thing GOTO supporters will try to prove to us is that the smoking is good for you? :) - Original Message - From: Bruce Nichol [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 3:58 AM Subject: RE: [U2] the 4 letter word Goo'day, Stuart, At 12:19 05/10/05 +1000, you wrote: I'd say it's more like collecting cigarette butts out of rubbish bins, wrapping the tobacco in old fish and chip paper and inhaling deeply... Just goes to show how much you know about the subject. grin You have to light it before inhaling. If you don't, it lasts a *bit* longer, but the full aroma and taste are just not there If you're an indigent nicotine addict, it's still satisfying, you get your hit no matter what and you don't care if anyone tells you otherwise. ;-) -Original Message- The-command-that-must-not-be-named is like a fine cigar. You know you shouldn't. You know it's bad for you. Nonetheless, it's satisfying when done right. ** This email message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of addressed recipient(s). If you have received this email in error please notify the Spotless IS Support Centre (+61 3 9269 7555) immediately, who will advise further action. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been scanned for the presence of computer related viruses. ** --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/119 - Release Date: 04/10/05 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/119 - Release Date: 04/10/05 Regards, Bruce Nichol Talon Computer Services ALBURYNSW 2640 Australia http://www.taloncs.com.au Tel: +61 (0)411149636 Fax: +61 (0)260232119 If it ain't broke, fix it till it is! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/119 - Release Date: 04/10/05 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] more serious notes on GOTO
Personally I prefer the RETURN TO syntax - all the 'elegance' of subroutines, with the bonus of conditional exits. Now THAT was a nice innovation in the language Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage Better by Design! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] PICK 101
I suspect that, like many companies, this company prefers to hire young people. --B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Debster Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 8:53 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] PICK 101 the bigger question is why, when there are so many PICK people scrambling for spots especially in the Northeast was a non-PICK person hired? Especially when many Pickies are multi-lingual...and multi-host -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thomas Derwin Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 2:30 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] PICK 101 Matt Stern at Comprehensive Computer Services does Pick training. He's on Long Island. Comprehensive Computer Services Inc 560 Broadhollow Road Melville, NY 11747 631-755-2250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/04/05 11:50 AM Hey all, We've got a new employee at my company with no PICK experience at all .. Does anyone know of anywhere local to get a PICK 101 course in the NYC area? Thanks .. -Chuck --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ - This e-mail and any attachments may contain CONFIDENTIAL information, including PROTECTED HEALTH INFORMATION. If you are not the intended recipient, any use or disclosure of this information is STRICTLY PROHIBITED; you are requested to delete this e-mail and any attachments, notify the sender immediately, and notify the LabCorp Privacy Officer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call (877) 23-HIPAA / (877) 234-4722. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Fw: More U2 programming hints
Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 2:45 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Fw: More U2 programming hints This is the way it was explained to me way back in '88. The internal select is slower on the whole file, but immediate in response. It works the same as LIST. If I list a file with 2,000,000 records I get immediate response. If I want to process an entire file, then external select is slower on response, i.e. I have to wait for 2 million records to be selected before processing begins, but is quicker in processing all records. The internal is slower due to the system having to stop what it's doing, find the next group, break out the individual ID's from that group, and then return it to the program - over and over again as it makes it's way through the file. Yes, well that *was* back in '88. :) Actually, I've no idea what UV does; there are many things which were implemented differently from Pr1me INFORMATION, or not at all. But IIRC, the issue above was addressed by pre-fetching the next group while processing the current one, so that processing and I/O overlap. With the right tuning, it would be significantly faster than processing after an external SELECT. -Keith --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [OT] [U2] chance encounter with a u2 site
I've encountered a number of U2 applications in my normal day-to-day life. First was the Colorado AAA - don't know what app or database they were running, but did note they were running either Dynamic Connect or wIntegrate on the workstation. Second is a furniture chain called American Furniture - they are running the application suite from Storis, I believe. Also, whenever I've bought a car, I've inquired as to whether the dealership is using the Reynolds and Reynolds applications, which use UniVerse. In addition, the local transit agency (RTD), uses UniVerse. P. Michael Logue U2 Technical Support Engineer U2 Products Service Planner IBM Certified Solutions Expert in U2 Application Development IBM Certified U2 UniData Administration IBM Information Management Division, Software Group Phone: 303-773-7846 Tie Line: 656-7846 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ibm.com/software/data/u2/support Open, Query, Update, Search - Online! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] PICK 101
Who work cheaply. Larry Hiscock Western Computer Services -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brutzman, Bill Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 6:16 AM To: 'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org' Subject: RE: [U2] PICK 101 I suspect that, like many companies, this company prefers to hire young people. --B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Debster Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 8:53 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] PICK 101 the bigger question is why, when there are so many PICK people scrambling for spots especially in the Northeast was a non-PICK person hired? Especially when many Pickies are multi-lingual...and multi-host -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thomas Derwin Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 2:30 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] PICK 101 Matt Stern at Comprehensive Computer Services does Pick training. He's on Long Island. Comprehensive Computer Services Inc 560 Broadhollow Road Melville, NY 11747 631-755-2250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/04/05 11:50 AM Hey all, We've got a new employee at my company with no PICK experience at all .. Does anyone know of anywhere local to get a PICK 101 course in the NYC area? Thanks .. -Chuck --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ - This e-mail and any attachments may contain CONFIDENTIAL information, including PROTECTED HEALTH INFORMATION. If you are not the intended recipient, any use or disclosure of this information is STRICTLY PROHIBITED; you are requested to delete this e-mail and any attachments, notify the sender immediately, and notify the LabCorp Privacy Officer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call (877) 23-HIPAA / (877) 234-4722. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [OT] [U2] chance encounter with a u2 site
quote who=[EMAIL PROTECTED] logging into is Unidata. The name of the store is Grants appliances based out of Joliet, IL. My questions to the list are have any of you had similar experiences and how much of a geek am I to get totally excited about seeing another U2 site in action? All the time [no more disclosure allowed] . . . KLP Scott Way Too Easily Fascinated Thompson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- karl _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ __o _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _-\._ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ (_)/ (_) _/ _/ _/ _/ .. _/ _/ arl _/_/_/ _/ earson[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- IT Director, ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. http://www.atsindustrial.com Toll-free: 800-789-9300 x29 Direct2Desk: 801-978-4429 Facsimile: 801-972-3888 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [OT] [U2] chance encounter with a u2 site
Not too much of a geek.. Me.. I want to know what application he was running! To see if it is one that I am familiar with! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 11:27 AM To: u2-Users Subject:[OT] [U2] chance encounter with a u2 site Hi All, The other day I walked into a store to pick up a new dryer because my other dryer (1 year old) had caught fire. Note to self: Make sure you clean out your dryer ducts on a routine basis. Anyway, one of the sales reps starts to log into their system when I notice an AIX message pass by. I look a little closer and what do I see but a dynamic connect session going. I ask the guy to page up and find that the application that he is logging into is Unidata. The name of the store is Grants appliances based out of Joliet, IL. My questions to the list are have any of you had similar experiences and how much of a geek am I to get totally excited about seeing another U2 site in action? Thanks, Scott Way Too Easily Fascinated Thompson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Fw: More U2 programming hints
Well, only testing would reveal that. Anything else is just speculation that it's better now. My last testing of GOTO's revealed they are still slower than GOSUB's and this was last year. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Keith W. Roberts Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 09:42 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Fw: More U2 programming hints Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 2:45 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Fw: More U2 programming hints This is the way it was explained to me way back in '88. The internal select is slower on the whole file, but immediate in response. It works the same as LIST. If I list a file with 2,000,000 records I get immediate response. If I want to process an entire file, then external select is slower on response, i.e. I have to wait for 2 million records to be selected before processing begins, but is quicker in processing all records. The internal is slower due to the system having to stop what it's doing, find the next group, break out the individual ID's from that group, and then return it to the program - over and over again as it makes it's way through the file. Yes, well that *was* back in '88. :) Actually, I've no idea what UV does; there are many things which were implemented differently from Pr1me INFORMATION, or not at all. But IIRC, the issue above was addressed by pre-fetching the next group while processing the current one, so that processing and I/O overlap. With the right tuning, it would be significantly faster than processing after an external SELECT. -Keith --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [OT] [U2] chance encounter with a u2 site
Scott, Yes. I was doing a data transfer project for a company I worked for and we are building this horribly complicated flattening to comma-sep when I discovered that the destination system was also MV. No one had thought to ask if they were an MV shop. Once we knew that, we sent them a multivalued file with their data in their format. - Charles Ohh look, Shiny Barouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, The other day I walked into a store to pick up a new dryer because my other dryer (1 year old) had caught fire. Note to self: Make sure you clean out your dryer ducts on a routine basis. Anyway, one of the sales reps starts to log into their system when I notice an AIX message pass by. I look a little closer and what do I see but a dynamic connect session going. I ask the guy to page up and find that the application that he is logging into is Unidata. The name of the store is Grants appliances based out of Joliet, IL. My questions to the list are have any of you had similar experiences and how much of a geek am I to get totally excited about seeing another U2 site in action? --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [OT] [U2] chance encounter with a u2 site
Last year, I went to our local Window factory, and when they checked their system for my order, the menu was very Pick-like. I asked her if they were running PickHer jaw fell open and asked How in world did I know that. A pick menu is a pick menu is a pick menu. Gotta luv the green screen. I know I felt better knowing the local window factory (who has replaced just about all of the windows in my house now), is not only a locally employed/mfgd business, but also a pick shop. George -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:27 PM To: u2-Users Subject: [OT] [U2] chance encounter with a u2 site My questions to the list are have any of you had similar experiences and how much of a geek am I to get totally excited about seeing another U2 site in action? Thanks, Scott Way Too Easily Fascinated Thompson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] PICK 101
Who eat dinner later then 3:00pm and stay up later then 8:00 to complete projects on time? Who don't carry an AARP card? Or maybe they like watching the young people learn skills and then go get better paying jobs? Just to cover myself. I consider more experienced assets to a company. They don't make the same old mistakes that a younger person will. Damn I said old. Sorry. Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Hiscock Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:50 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] PICK 101 Who work cheaply. Larry Hiscock Western Computer Services -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brutzman, Bill Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 6:16 AM To: 'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org' Subject: RE: [U2] PICK 101 I suspect that, like many companies, this company prefers to hire young people. --B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Debster Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 8:53 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] PICK 101 the bigger question is why, when there are so many PICK people scrambling for spots especially in the Northeast was a non-PICK person hired? Especially when many Pickies are multi-lingual...and multi-host -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thomas Derwin Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 2:30 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] PICK 101 Matt Stern at Comprehensive Computer Services does Pick training. He's on Long Island. Comprehensive Computer Services Inc 560 Broadhollow Road Melville, NY 11747 631-755-2250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/04/05 11:50 AM Hey all, We've got a new employee at my company with no PICK experience at all .. Does anyone know of anywhere local to get a PICK 101 course in the NYC area? Thanks .. -Chuck --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ - This e-mail and any attachments may contain CONFIDENTIAL information, including PROTECTED HEALTH INFORMATION. If you are not the intended recipient, any use or disclosure of this information is STRICTLY PROHIBITED; you are requested to delete this e-mail and any attachments, notify the sender immediately, and notify the LabCorp Privacy Officer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call (877) 23-HIPAA / (877) 234-4722. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [OT] [U2] chance encounter with a u2 site
After I moved to a small city in Iowa a couple of years ago, someone at church asked me if I could help get his company's IT function more smoothly, so I did a few hours of consulting for him over the next couple of months. I asked him what database his company used and he said Informix so it was quite exciting to me when I logged in to find UniVerse running, along with a U2 VAR application. I recall there was a story that when IBM acquired the assets of Informix, they were very surprised to find that they were end-users of a U2 database themselves (in their call center IIRC). And for every 3-4 U2 sites, there is another non-U2 PICK/MV site out there -- pretty impressive for a database that was declared dead more than 20 years ago, eh? --dawn My questions to the list are have any of you had similar experiences and how much of a geek am I to get totally excited about seeing another U2 site in action? Thanks, Scott Way Too Easily Fascinated Thompson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. Take and give some delight today! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Mvbase 2 Universe
Dave, I don't know if there is a difference between Universe/.nix and Universe/NT with respect to their file restore and account restore verbs. I do know, however, that we have been totally unable to restore an account-save or a file-save from AP, D3, mvBase or GA R91 to UV/NT. Consequently, we wrote two programs, TAPE.DUMP and TAPE.LOAD to dump and load anywhere from one individual file to selected files to all the files in an account, without having to create the files on the target machine before loading them. We have tested these programs in our office *from* AP, D3, mvBase and R91 *to* UV/NT. We have tested them *from* R91 *to* UV/NT on site and the customer is now testing their software on UV/NT. Also, if you are migrating software from mvBase to UV/NT, you may also be aware that UV/NT has no (as in none) multivalue spooler as we know it today in R83, R91, AP, D3, mvBase, MentorPro, etc. etc. The commands STARTPTR, SP-ASSIGN, SP-EDIT, :STARTSPOOLER, LISTPTR, LISTPEQS, etc either do not exist at all or function entirely differently than what you may expect in UV/NT. All print jobs are sent directly to the Windows spooler or, if elected, directly the Windows printer without going thru the Windows spooler. To preserve our customer's ability to continue to use the generic multivalue spooler architecture that he's been using for the past 20+ years, we developed a generic multivalue spooler, called SpoolerPlus(tm), for UV/NT. It contains a spooler file and these spooler commands and functions as much like a generic multivalue spooler as it can given that the printers are not connected directly to the database. In addition to the generic multivalue spooler functionality, SpoolerPlus contains a Queues file that enables you to define the print characteristic of each queue and a Printers file to enter the name of the Windows printer and the name of a printer driver for that printer. The process of assigning a printer to a print queue (STARTPTR) then executes the printer driver (if there is one) which takes the print characteristics from the print queue and print the appropriate ESC sequences to the printer to configure the printer for the print jobs from that print queue. If either of these products are of interest to you, or if you'd just like to compare notes on converting software to UV/NT, please call me for further discussion. We're almost neighbors, so an onsite demo is certainly possible. hth, Dave Dave Taylor President Sysmark Information Systems, Inc. 49 Aspen Way Rolling Hills Estates, CA 90274 800-SYSMARK (800-797-6275) (O) 310-544-1974 (P) 800-339-1497 (F) 310-377-3550 Your Source for Integrated EDI Translation and DataSync Integration www.sysmarkinfo.com - Original Message - From: Dave R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 9:08 AM Subject: [U2] Mvbase 2 Universe I need to do an account restore from an mvBase.vtf to universe. Does any one have instructions for this one? Thanks D Raven cell (949)2282224 e Fax (815)4259364 P.O. Box 17811, Irvine CA 92623-7811 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [OT] [U2] chance encounter with a u2 site
So how long will it take the industry to figure out that if you can keep data in an xml-like data model for the life of the data, rather than ever putting it in 1NF, it will be easier (and less expensive) for everyone? --dawn On 10/5/05, Results [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott, Yes. I was doing a data transfer project for a company I worked for and we are building this horribly complicated flattening to comma-sep when I discovered that the destination system was also MV. No one had thought to ask if they were an MV shop. Once we knew that, we sent them a multivalued file with their data in their format. - Charles Ohh look, Shiny Barouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, The other day I walked into a store to pick up a new dryer because my other dryer (1 year old) had caught fire. Note to self: Make sure you clean out your dryer ducts on a routine basis. Anyway, one of the sales reps starts to log into their system when I notice an AIX message pass by. I look a little closer and what do I see but a dynamic connect session going. I ask the guy to page up and find that the application that he is logging into is Unidata. The name of the store is Grants appliances based out of Joliet, IL. My questions to the list are have any of you had similar experiences and how much of a geek am I to get totally excited about seeing another U2 site in action? --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. Take and give some delight today! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Mvbase 2 Universe
The IBM UniVerse acct.restore does not support the mvBASE .vtf file. You will have to make a SAVE to physical tape. Remember only 1 account at a time. Make your tapes at 8192 for least problems as that is the default on the UniVerse side. From the mvBASE side T-SELECT tape T-ONLINE T-ATT 8192 SAVE SYSTEM accountname (TFY TO: accountname On the IBM UniVerse side 1. Create a temp folder on your Windows machine, for example, d:\temp 2. Log into UniVerse, from UV execute LONGNAMES ON NEWACC 3. From the DOS prompt, go to d:\temp and execute d:\ibm\uv\bin\acct.restore -n -19 -t MT1 4. When restore complete, copy d:\temp\account folder to live accounts folder. 5. Create your account pointer in UniAdmin 5. Log into the new account and run UPDATE.ACCOUNT I think the acct.restore could be modified to work with the .vtf but there is something at the beginning of the .vtf that the shipped acct.restore does not support. Paul H. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave R Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:08 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Mvbase 2 Universe I need to do an account restore from an mvBase.vtf to universe. Does any one have instructions for this one? Thanks D Raven cell (949)2282224 e Fax (815)4259364 P.O. Box 17811, Irvine CA 92623-7811 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] - [u2C] the 4 letter word
http://www.fortran.com/fortran/come_from.html I believe the debate has now been closed? Regards JayJay --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] [wIntegrate][UV] Changing emulation parameters via script?
We are running wIntegrate 5.1.1 as a front end to Universe 9.6.1.3 running on W2K. There are many parameters that can be influenced by client side scripting, but I find myself wanting to change a parameter that is established in all of my user's .WIT file that is loaded at startup. I believe the file used for this is specified in the dialog selected by SETUP | TERMINAL. The specific thing I want to change is the line: TerminalCommand = \018, Capture On LocalPrint, 'Printer',,,CAP_DIRECT This makes it so that when the host sends a CHAR(18), it routes all following output to the user's local printer. For reasons a bit too lengthy to get into, our vendor's application which I can not get inside of, asks the user for a print destination before printing. One user option causes a CHAR(18) to be sent. Several hours of experimentation on my part seem to indicate that it is not possible to intercept the CHAR(18). Neither can I (apparently) influence this parameter with client side scripting. If I issue a script command like terminalcommand = \018, I do not get a script error, but nothing changes either. I want to temporarily turn off the ability to spool locally so my app can set up a fairly complex output stream without capturing the output from some user prompts that happen after the capture starts. And no, it's not possible to get all the user prompts out of the way first because, this is an add-on to our vendor's app and I cannot control the placement of the vendor's generic built-in print destination wizmo. Anybody out there figured how to change things specified in a WIT file from inside a script? TIA, Barry Brevik --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] more serious notes on GOTO
Richard Taylor wrote: Serguei wrote: From my experience working with a team of different developers this is the worst possible and a very selfish scenario a developer might choose to follow. While I agree with you in principle, reality sets in real quick. Sometimes you simply don't have the luxury of time resources to completely rewrite a module to bring the code up to today's standards. This is especially true if you are a consultant that is being paid to provide a specific solution, not update the entire code base. I HATE this too, but that is life. That's the point exactly. ONCE and only ONCE I was in a situation where one of my consultants re-wrote a ton of client code to make it look nice so that he could continue working on it in comfort. I don't remember the number of hours but it was something like 30, which I had to pay him (business decision) but which I couldn't bill my client - how can I possibly justify that much time to a client that just wanted some simple report enhancement? So I ate about 25 hours for nice looking code. No... Never again, thanks. Call me selfish but I won't do work that is that extensive for a client unless they sign off on it and they understand that they are getting nothing but cleaner code for the effort - sometimes I do sell that concept, but rarely. (The BNF is the table of valid statements.) I have not heard reference to BNF grammars in a lnnng time. Oops, showing my geeky nature. T --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] more serious notes on GOTO
Yeah But you have to admit, this is an interesting solution to bring both camps together :-) (or maybe make the rift larger) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage Better by Design! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Taylor Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2005 11:41 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] more serious notes on GOTO Ross, Please tell me you are kidding. RETURN TO is worse than using a GOTO. You think you are dealing with a nice neat subroutine and then the 'hidden' goto in the return bites you. Rich Taylor | Senior Programmer/Analyst| VERTIS 250 W. Pratt Street | Baltimore, MD 21201 P 410.361.8688 | F 410.528.0319 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.vertisinc.com Vertis is the premier provider of targeted advertising, media, and marketing services that drive consumers to marketers more effectively. The more they complicate the plumbing the easier it is to stop up the drain - Montgomery Scott NCC-1701 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Ferris Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 8:42 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] more serious notes on GOTO Personally I prefer the RETURN TO syntax - all the 'elegance' of subroutines, with the bonus of conditional exits. Now THAT was a nice innovation in the language Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage Better by Design! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] [wIntegrate][UV] Changing emulation parameters via script?
- Original Message - From: Barry Brevik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U2-users (E-mail) u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 4:57 PM Subject: [U2] [wIntegrate][UV] Changing emulation parameters via script? We are running wIntegrate 5.1.1 as a front end to Universe 9.6.1.3 running on W2K. There are many parameters that can be influenced by client side scripting, but I find myself wanting to change a parameter that is established in all of my user's .WIT file that is loaded at startup. I believe the file used for this is specified in the dialog selected by SETUP | TERMINAL. The specific thing I want to change is the line: TerminalCommand = \018, Capture On LocalPrint, 'Printer',,,CAP_DIRECT This makes it so that when the host sends a CHAR(18), it routes all following output to the user's local printer. For reasons a bit too lengthy to get into, our vendor's application which I can not get inside of, asks the user for a print destination before printing. One user option causes a CHAR(18) to be sent. Several hours of experimentation on my part seem to indicate that it is not possible to intercept the CHAR(18). Neither can I (apparently) influence this parameter with client side scripting. If I issue a script command like terminalcommand = \018, I do not get a script error, but nothing changes either. I want to temporarily turn off the ability to spool locally so my app can set up a fairly complex output stream without capturing the output from some user prompts that happen after the capture starts. And no, it's not possible to get all the user prompts out of the way first because, this is an add-on to our vendor's app and I cannot control the placement of the vendor's generic built-in print destination wizmo. Anybody out there figured how to change things specified in a WIT file from inside a script? TIA, Barry Brevik --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] [wIntegrate][UV] Changing emulation parameters via script?
Hi Barry, I suggest: 1) Close all wIntegrate sessions 2) Using the wIntegrate editor, modify the desired .wit file (i.e. wyse50 or wyse60). 3) Locate the line of code you want to modify and duplicate (i.e. TerminalCommand = \018 ,Script 'wintsys\\wit_scr\\CopyPrt') 4) Comment the first duplicated line 5) Replace the second line with the desired command (i.e. terminalcommand = \018,) 6) Save the record and exit the wIntegrate editor Open a wIntegrate session and the desired command should be in place, assuming your referencing the appropriate .wit file. Regards, Ian Renfrew - Original Message - From: Barry Brevik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U2-users (E-mail) u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 4:57 PM Subject: [U2] [wIntegrate][UV] Changing emulation parameters via script? We are running wIntegrate 5.1.1 as a front end to Universe 9.6.1.3 running on W2K. There are many parameters that can be influenced by client side scripting, but I find myself wanting to change a parameter that is established in all of my user's .WIT file that is loaded at startup. I believe the file used for this is specified in the dialog selected by SETUP | TERMINAL. The specific thing I want to change is the line: TerminalCommand = \018, Capture On LocalPrint, 'Printer',,,CAP_DIRECT This makes it so that when the host sends a CHAR(18), it routes all following output to the user's local printer. For reasons a bit too lengthy to get into, our vendor's application which I can not get inside of, asks the user for a print destination before printing. One user option causes a CHAR(18) to be sent. Several hours of experimentation on my part seem to indicate that it is not possible to intercept the CHAR(18). Neither can I (apparently) influence this parameter with client side scripting. If I issue a script command like terminalcommand = \018, I do not get a script error, but nothing changes either. I want to temporarily turn off the ability to spool locally so my app can set up a fairly complex output stream without capturing the output from some user prompts that happen after the capture starts. And no, it's not possible to get all the user prompts out of the way first because, this is an add-on to our vendor's app and I cannot control the placement of the vendor's generic built-in print destination wizmo. Anybody out there figured how to change things specified in a WIT file from inside a script? TIA, Barry Brevik --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Backups -- Universe
Susan Joslyn wrote: Greetings group. What are you folks using for backups these days? In terms of media and management thereof? Especially on Universe? We've been using a UniTrends D2D appliance since last Feb.: http://www.unitrends.com/solutions/integrated/dpu2000.aspx I'm not using uvbackup or suspending writes. We're not a 24x7 operation, so once the workers on the West coast are gone for the day the UV database is quiet. We've got a total capacity of 800GB on disk, half of which is dedicated to the UV server. I make master/incremental backups of the entire UV server every night at 8:00pm, then run another selective backup of just the UV data after batch processing is done just after midnight. The D2D UV partition is backed up to a DLT tape autoloader once a month. I highly recommend UniTrends. We were so happy with the implementation we let them do a case study on us: http://www.unitrends.com/company/customers/momentum.aspx -John -- John Hester System Network Administrator Momentum Group Inc. (949) 833-8886 x623 http://memosamples.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [OT] [U2] chance encounter with a u2 site
or is itthat you might know of any possible bugs that exist if they hadn't loaded the last release ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marilyn Hilb Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:51 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [OT] [U2] chance encounter with a u2 site Not too much of a geek.. Me.. I want to know what application he was running! To see if it is one that I am familiar with! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 11:27 AM To: u2-Users Subject:[OT] [U2] chance encounter with a u2 site Hi All, The other day I walked into a store to pick up a new dryer because my other dryer (1 year old) had caught fire. Note to self: Make sure you clean out your dryer ducts on a routine basis. Anyway, one of the sales reps starts to log into their system when I notice an AIX message pass by. I look a little closer and what do I see but a dynamic connect session going. I ask the guy to page up and find that the application that he is logging into is Unidata. The name of the store is Grants appliances based out of Joliet, IL. My questions to the list are have any of you had similar experiences and how much of a geek am I to get totally excited about seeing another U2 site in action? Thanks, Scott Way Too Easily Fascinated Thompson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [OT] [U2] chance encounter with a u2 site
Goo'day, At 20:09 05/10/05 -0400, you wrote: ;-) I had to laugh when I walked into my camera store only to see an extremely old Ultimate terminal. That green screen popped out at me. Apparently someone had installed a simple POS system for him years ago and he had been performing the maintenance after self teaching himself PICK. Mate, it's a MUCH BIGGER shock when you walk into a business and find modules of YOUR OWN software running quite happily and you know nothing about the installation, the company, the owner, nothing. My friend uses it and he got it running for me, too. But, I'd like the company name changed Can you do that? Only happened once -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/120 - Release Date: 05/10/05 Regards, Bruce Nichol Talon Computer Services ALBURYNSW 2640 Australia http://www.taloncs.com.au Tel: +61 (0)411149636 Fax: +61 (0)260232119 If it ain't broke, fix it till it is! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/120 - Release Date: 05/10/05 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [OT] [U2] chance encounter with a u2 site
;-) I had to laugh when I walked into my camera store only to see an extremely old Ultimate terminal. That green screen popped out at me. Apparently someone had installed a simple POS system for him years ago and he had been performing the maintenance after self teaching himself PICK. Same thing, another place when I went to a contractors plumbing supply housepop...there it goes again. I even tried to crack into my towns library system when I realized it was PICK The local county college uses Datatel Its the ghost in the machine... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:27 PM To: u2-Users Subject: [OT] [U2] chance encounter with a u2 site Hi All, The other day I walked into a store to pick up a new dryer because my other dryer (1 year old) had caught fire. Note to self: Make sure you clean out your dryer ducts on a routine basis. Anyway, one of the sales reps starts to log into their system when I notice an AIX message pass by. I look a little closer and what do I see but a dynamic connect session going. I ask the guy to page up and find that the application that he is logging into is Unidata. The name of the store is Grants appliances based out of Joliet, IL. My questions to the list are have any of you had similar experiences and how much of a geek am I to get totally excited about seeing another U2 site in action? Thanks, Scott Way Too Easily Fascinated Thompson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [OT] [U2] chance encounter with a u2 site
Yes. I was doing a data transfer project for a company I worked for and we are building this horribly complicated flattening to comma-sep when I discovered that the destination system was also MV. No one had thought to ask if they were an MV shop. Once we knew that, we sent them a multivalued file with their data in their format. Had the same thing happen to me once on a Paradox contract, maybe 15 years ago -- Larry Kessler, MBA, CDP Space City Systems POB 430584 Houston TX 77243 713.858.8886 http://web.wt.net/~lkessler/LMKRes.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/119 - Release Date: 10/4/2005 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] PICK 101
I completely forgot that Raining Data offers U2 training. Why? You ask? (I hope I have my facts straight.) They inherited the education materials from JES and Associates when Jon Sisk joined managemet back in the PickAxe days. The situation with Jon fell apart for various reasons but they held the assets, including his trainers and the U2 education material. So give Raining Data a call and see how interested they are in teaching people how to use Universe - it would be fun to hear what they say. Writing from a forest preserve around Chicago - Wireless Rocks! :) Tony Chuck Mongiovi wrote: why, when there are so many PICK people scrambling for spots especially in the Northeast was a non-PICK person hired? To head off all of these questions in advance, and there have been more than one: He's a documentation guy who needs to learn a little about PICK, not programmer .. BTW - thanks to everyone who's responded .. Now I've got to figure out WHERE to send him .. -Chuck --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [OT] [U2] chance encounter with a u2 site
I don't know if this tops that BUT I was trolling vendors for a replacement package for a MFG/Dist client. When the Progress vendor came in to do the demo -- low and behold they had basically stolen an old ADP MFG package and there on the screen was my revamped modules ported over to Progress...all the prompts intact yet placed in popups Needless to say I quickly booted them -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bruce Nichol Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 9:02 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [OT] [U2] chance encounter with a u2 site Goo'day, At 20:09 05/10/05 -0400, you wrote: ;-) I had to laugh when I walked into my camera store only to see an extremely old Ultimate terminal. That green screen popped out at me. Apparently someone had installed a simple POS system for him years ago and he had been performing the maintenance after self teaching himself PICK. Mate, it's a MUCH BIGGER shock when you walk into a business and find modules of YOUR OWN software running quite happily and you know nothing about the installation, the company, the owner, nothing. My friend uses it and he got it running for me, too. But, I'd like the company name changed Can you do that? Only happened once -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/120 - Release Date: 05/10/05 Regards, Bruce Nichol Talon Computer Services ALBURYNSW 2640 Australia http://www.taloncs.com.au Tel: +61 (0)411149636 Fax: +61 (0)260232119 If it ain't broke, fix it till it is! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/120 - Release Date: 05/10/05 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
