RE: [U2] Estimating Timelines
I have found the double principle always works quite well and ends ups accurate enough to keep all parties satisfied. Do all your research, planning, etc and finally take that bottom line number and double it. So, if you say a project will take 5 working days to complete, present it as a 10 day project. This allows time for unanticipated factors, and allows a little extra time to clean and tighten up the final product. I have consistently found this to allow me enough (yet not too much extra) time to complete a task properly and has given the end users/customers a satisfied feeling of time allotment. Cheers, Barry Rogen PNY Technologies, Inc. Senior Programmer/Analyst (973) 515 - 9700 ext 5327 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat.t. roosevelt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony G Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 4:35 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Estimating Timelines I've been meaning to blog on this for a while, thanks for the opportunity: removepleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog/general/2008/03/estimates1.html From: John Rodgers Speaking for myself, ... today's applications are so complex that all the dependencies are impossible to forecast. It is not a question of lying - it is a question of trying to anticipate the worst case. The first estimate you give is the only one that management (your customers) will ever remember. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ 10/3/2008NOT INTENDED AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR A WRITING NOTHING IN THIS E-MAIL, IN ANY E-MAIL THREAD OF WHICH IT MAY BE A PART, OR IN ANY ATTACHMENTS THERETO, SHALL CONSTITUTE A BINDING CONTRACT, OR ANY CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION BY PNY, OR ANY INTENT TO ENTER INTO ANY BINDING OBLIGATIONS, NOTWITHSTANDING ANY ENACTMENT OF THE UNIFORM ELECTRONIC TRANSACTIONS ACT, THE FEDERAL E-SIGN ACT, OR ANY OTHER STATE OR FEDERAL LAW OF SIMILAR SUBSTANCE OR EFFECT. THIS EMAIL MESSAGE, ITS CONTENTS AND ATTACHMENTS ARE NOT INTENDED TO REPRESENT AN OFFER OR ACCEPTANCE OF AN OFFER TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT. NOTHING IN THIS E-MAIL, IN ANY E-MAIL THREAD OF WHICH IT MAY BE A PART, OR IN ANY ATTACHMENTS THERETO SHALL ALTER THIS DISCLAIMER. This e-mail message from PNY Technologies, Inc. is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Estimating Timelines {Unclassified}
Several years ago I worked for a Consulting firm that gave weekly classes on job estimation. What you are calling the client factor, they called the confidence factor. It is real and very useful. And then, you have the client factor, as in * Work out a rough estimate * Double it * And multiply this result by the client factor to give the actual estimate Charles Shaffer Senior Analyst NTN-Bower Corporation --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] INCLUDE weirdo
You think that's old. When I started out, all we had were sticks and stone knives to cut notches in them. You do realise that you are showing U2 to be a sport of the pre-historic? My first experience with computers was paper tape. Version control was performed with a pencil on the leader of the tape. How many remember punch cards. How about a half a day turnaround to see if your program compiled? And the fun task of reading core dumps. Charles Shaffer Senior Analyst NTN-Bower Corporation Dennis Bartlett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/08/2008 03:21 AM Please respond to u2-users To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc: Subject:RE: [U2] INCLUDE weirdo You do realise that you are showing U2 to be a sport of the pre-historic? My first experience with computers was paper tape. Version control was performed with a pencil on the leader of the tape. How many remember punch cards. How about a half a day turnaround to see if your program compiled? And the fun task of reading core dumps. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ This email was Anti Virus checked by Astaro Security Gateway. http://www.astaro.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] OT: Was include [not-secure]
snip You think that's old. When I started out, all we had were sticks and stone knives to cut notches in them. /snip Ah, yes Gray (hair)'s Code. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] INCLUDE weirdo
I would not say pre-historic. Those items mentioned are not that far removed. Remember how quickly vinyl left the shelves when CDs came into being. You do realize that you are showing U2 to be a sport of the pre-historic? / --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case
Kevin That's not a full lifecycle test - which is where the casing difference really comes in. If you want to set a test, have the two groups scan through reams of unfamiliar code, make sense of it, identify the bits to change and only then do the changes. That's where the benefit lies. Though I prefer mixed case, I am willing to admit that it takes me marginally longer to type in the first instance. When I come back to read and modify it months later, that's where the pain was worthwhile. Regards Brian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: 10 March 2008 14:12 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case Bill, I followed you until this: * Upper case is an anachronism and should be treated as such rather than defended. It is unwieldy for far too many and, in fact, interferes with efficient typing at every turn. Forcing people to use [Caps Lock] in U2 while all other used applications require [Caps Lock] to be off is a egalitarian ruse for autocracy. :-) * While I understand this is intended to be slightly tongue-in-cheek, saying that it unequivocally interferes with efficient typing at every turn is quite possibly much more generalized of a statement than the discussion warrants. While I agree with your assessment about the mix of applications that we are using at any given moment which are using the caps lock in the off position, I find this to be a non-issue and rarely miss more than a couple of characters when switching between apps. For me personally, a couple of caps mistakes a week beats the thousands of times pressing the Shift key where I - notably a two-finger typist - have to get both hands involved. But rather than rely upon conjecture, why not actually test this theory? Let's setup a meeting at Spectrum where we each create a simple sample program using our case of choice, and we'll appoint an official timer to see which method produces the fastest results. Game? -K --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case
Bill, I followed you until this: * Upper case is an anachronism and should be treated as such rather than defended. It is unwieldy for far too many and, in fact, interferes with efficient typing at every turn. Forcing people to use [Caps Lock] in U2 while all other used applications require [Caps Lock] to be off is a egalitarian ruse for autocracy. :-) * While I understand this is intended to be slightly tongue-in-cheek, saying that it unequivocally interferes with efficient typing at every turn is quite possibly much more generalized of a statement than the discussion warrants. While I agree with your assessment about the mix of applications that we are using at any given moment which are using the caps lock in the off position, I find this to be a non-issue and rarely miss more than a couple of characters when switching between apps. For me personally, a couple of caps mistakes a week beats the thousands of times pressing the Shift key where I - notably a two-finger typist - have to get both hands involved. But rather than rely upon conjecture, why not actually test this theory? Let's setup a meeting at Spectrum where we each create a simple sample program using our case of choice, and we'll appoint an official timer to see which method produces the fastest results. Game? -K --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case
I started to write this many times and each time it went against what my Mama always said, If you can't say anything nice then don't say anything at all. Yes, I know that was also said it Bambi but it was around long before the movie. Mixed case programming is a relatively new way of programming and if you have had any time in the business you would realize this. Yes most programmers didn't learn typing because during the years when we went to school very few straight males took typing. Personally I think you should be thankful that those bumbling two finger geeks created the language that puts bread on your table. Jerry Banker -Original Message- From: Bill Haskett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 4:31 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case Kevin: I'm sorry to say, on this rare occasion I disagree with your assessment. First, anyone who learned to type has no problem with the [Shift] key being used. In fact, those who've learned to type often type words instead of letters so there is nothing efficient in saving the [Shift] keystroke; to be honest, it's usually a problem not to include the key as part of the overall typing framework. I often laugh when I see C code because I know it was designed by geeks who couldn't type and are, ultimately, two finger peckers. :-) To those who say they don't have time to learn how to type I say they have an obligation to learn to use the tools of their trade. Do accountants not know how to use a 10-Key? Do doctors not know how to use a stethoscope? Do carpenters not know how to use a plane? Of course they know how to use them! With that said, let's look at some of the major aggravations of this case issue. Most of us, not all but most, have multiple windows open when we work. We may have a web browser open, or an email client, a word processor, a spreadsheet, or other applications. All of these applications, and I mean all of them, expect [Caps Lock] to be off (in fact, so does Unix)! When we move our focus to a U2 window we have to turn that darned function back on. When we go back to one of the other applications we end up typing cAPS lOCK all the time. This is so true that even when we watch demonstrations, where U2 is in the mix, we see the demonstrator having the same problem over, and over, and over (like switching back to U2 from another window to enter a TCL command, then backspacing over the typed in command to change it to upper case). For those who spend the majority of their time in the U2 environment, [Caps Lock] is probably set to on. However, for most of the rest of us it's a colossal aggravation, over, and over, and over. U2 (UV much more than UD) has come up with some partial solutions to this casing issue (because they recognize the error of their ways but it's too much trouble to fix it). UD is tough at ECL because case makes a big difference in an ECL verb. Having an ECL shell processor that can upper-case all commands doesn't quite work in UD when one wants to use a lower case ECL verb. With case sensitivity, it's clear there is a difference between the variable CUSTOMER.REC and Customer.Rec. I'm not at all convinced those who've thought this through really would create one variable CUSTOMER.REC and another variable Customer.Rec. Yet, again, upper- casing forces everyone to work around its serious limitations. The only place where I've found case to be important, other than in MV, is in command line options in Unix (here we run into those two finger geeks again). :-) Upper case is an anachronism and should be treated as such rather than defended. It is unwieldy for far too many and, in fact, interferes with efficient typing at every turn. Forcing people to use [Caps Lock] in U2 while all other used applications require [Caps Lock] to be off is a egalitarian ruse for autocracy. :-) This is, of course, IMHO... Bill _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 9:39 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case I am admittedly a dinosaur of the upper-case bent with U2. Before I put on my flame suit, hear me out.. We developers type thousands - possibly even millions - of characters of code per year To press the letter R with caps lock on or off is only one keypress - keeping in mind the state of the cApS LocK. To type READU then is only 5. ReadU however, is 7 - an increase of 40%. Now, assuming that a typical program is 4000 characters, there's a potential of an additional 1000+ shift keypresses just to maintain case. Meaningless, you say? Everything we do takes an investment of time, and even a fraction of a second can turn into a significant investment when multiplied times millions of
Re: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case
I understand your point Brian. So what do we do with the situation where upper case is actually more readable to me and yet less readable to you? How do we rationalize such a dichotomy? -K --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case
Kevin We - 1. Accept that the list is populated by long-term professionals whose opinions aren't going to be changed. 2. Accept that this is a learning and familiarity issue. 3. Do everything we can to promote best practice in legibility regardless of case. 4. Ensure that all learning materials aimed at those NEW to the platform - who will be more used to mixed case because everything else in the IT world uses it - are presented as such. 5. Sigh at the intransigence of the other side (whichever side you are on!) 6. Get rid of stupid compiler flags on UniData, which should be able to work it out for itself. Duh. 7. Go for a beer.. and find a typing course. Brian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: 10 March 2008 15:36 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case I understand your point Brian. So what do we do with the situation where upper case is actually more readable to me and yet less readable to you? How do we rationalize such a dichotomy? -K --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case
I've not followed all this thread (in fact I only have the last few entries), but I think both camps have a point. I get frustrated turning CAPS on and off and if I were to sit and count the amount of times I press the CAPS-LOCK key I'd be completely amazed. I've been working with PICK on PC emulators all my career - I never studied typing but can quite happily key with 2-4 fingers each hand and largely without looking at the keyboard at all (perhaps just to regain reference every now and again). Switching Caps is almost a sub-conscious event - I am sure if I were to look at a recording of myself typing I'd be surprised how many times I switched the thing - right, then wrong, then right again - it's just second nature now. Oddly when I code I use mixed case VERBS KEYWORDS in upper case Variables Mixed Case but I have CAPS set on and hold my 'pinky' down to mix the cases on verbs - I find it's the easiest way for me - perhaps I am odd?? If you think you have problems working on an English/US keyboard try coding on the French AZERTY keyboards - now these foreign keyboards really do mess things up!! Recently on coming out of a Universe session I have noticed that the MS Office apps can detect you're in CAPS-LOCK mode and can optionally drop you to lower case - This is great, but I still probably switch the CAPS twice before I've even noticed the darn thing has done it for me!!! In conclusion I'd have to say that U2 is behind the times with it's CAPS requirement and it could change I guess if it was deemed to be of such importance... Either way I'd still type the same, and still mess with the CAPS-LOCK far more than necessary! Mike PS I find unix irritating that it does not recognise LS when I mean ls or CP when I mean cp - how hard can it be to have both cases valid for such a small command set? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: 10 March 2008 14:12 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case Bill, I followed you until this: * Upper case is an anachronism and should be treated as such rather than defended. It is unwieldy for far too many and, in fact, interferes with efficient typing at every turn. Forcing people to use [Caps Lock] in U2 while all other used applications require [Caps Lock] to be off is a egalitarian ruse for autocracy. :-) * While I understand this is intended to be slightly tongue-in-cheek, saying that it unequivocally interferes with efficient typing at every turn is quite possibly much more generalized of a statement than the discussion warrants. While I agree with your assessment about the mix of applications that we are using at any given moment which are using the caps lock in the off position, I find this to be a non-issue and rarely miss more than a couple of characters when switching between apps. For me personally, a couple of caps mistakes a week beats the thousands of times pressing the Shift key where I - notably a two-finger typist - have to get both hands involved. But rather than rely upon conjecture, why not actually test this theory? Let's setup a meeting at Spectrum where we each create a simple sample program using our case of choice, and we'll appoint an official timer to see which method produces the fastest results. Game? -K --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case
To paraphrase the ABATE folks: Let those who code decide. Unless I can get Donald Knuth to chime in on the subject (not likely since he stopped using email in 1990) I doubt that any of us are going to change each others minds. Especially the dinosaurs (used lovingly, and I include myself). Although it is a glorious sign of spring when the annual code case war springs up. Kevin King wrote: I understand your point Brian. So what do we do with the situation where upper case is actually more readable to me and yet less readable to you? How do we rationalize such a dichotomy? -K --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA IT Wrangler jschasny at gmail dot com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case
as I don't believe anything is unequivocal i will leave that for you all to argue over For me .. i find mixed case much easier to read and review. I attempt to follow humpBack or camelBack as my prefered method of typing but not a mandate. The system i work on mostly is an OLD d3 system which has the same programmers doing it the same way as in the olden days G just like i used to do. But bringing up a big program all in upper case with none or little spacing (1space max) and no blank lines (always using ed) is very hard to read. it is funny on email groups like this .. when someone types all in caps people complain that they are yelling G DSig David Tod Sigafoos SigsSolutions, Inc. Original Message Subject: RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case From: Brian Leach [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, March 10, 2008 7:51 am To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Kevin That's not a full lifecycle test - which is where the casing difference really comes in. If you want to set a test, have the two groups scan through reams of unfamiliar code, make sense of it, identify the bits to change and only then do the changes. That's where the benefit lies. Though I prefer mixed case, I am willing to admit that it takes me marginally longer to type in the first instance. When I come back to read and modify it months later, that's where the pain was worthwhile. Regards Brian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: 10 March 2008 14:12 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case Bill, I followed you until this: * Upper case is an anachronism and ! should be treated as such rather than defended. It is unwield y for far too many and, in fact, interferes with efficient typing at every turn. Forcing people to use [Caps Lock] in U2 while all other used applications require [Caps Lock] to be off is a egalitarian ruse for autocracy. :-) * While I understand this is intended to be slightly tongue-in-cheek, saying that it unequivocally interferes with efficient typing at every turn is quite possibly much more generalized of a statement than the discussion warrants. While I agree with your assessment about the mix of applications that we are using at any given moment which are using the caps lock in the off position, I find this to be a non-issue and rarely miss more than a couple of characters when switching between apps. For me personally, a couple of caps mistakes a week beats the thousands of times pressing the Shift key where I - notably a tw! o-finger typist - have to get both hands involved. But rather than rely upon conjecture, why not actually test this theory? Let's setup a meeting at Spectrum where we each create a simple sample program using our case of choice, and we'll appoint an official timer to see which method produces the fastest results. Game? -K --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case
Mike Farrant skrev: snip--- PS I find unix irritating that it does not recognise LS when I mean ls or CP when I mean cp - how hard can it be to have both cases valid for such a small command set? Not hard at all really: Put the following commands in Your environment file file: alias LS=ls alias CP=cp and You're done . (Assuming Korn shell ) If You don't have an environment file add one line in Your .profile: ENV=~mike/environment.sh ( substitute your login name and create the file in your login directory) Cheers -- mats --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case
If you ever want a scare then go through the programs in the Universe BP file. Some are upper case program lines with mixed case comments and prompts, the way I prefer it, some are all lower case, some are mixed case, and some are a mixture of all types. In the latter it appears that whomever was programming at the time picked their preferred case. So it appears not only we mere mortals have a problem deciding what standard to use. My problem with mixed case in a program is not necessarily a reading issue but a search issue. Let's take the example of the variable var, if you use all caps it is easy to find, search on VAR. You can do the same thing if you have all lower case but then the programming doesn't stand out from the comments or the prompts. If you program in mixed (camel) case then you would have to start looking for VAR, VAr, VaR, Var, vAR, vAr, vaR, and var, I know that no one would use a three letter variable in this way but it is possible and this is just a three letter variable. You can see what happens if you use a longer variable or command or by throwing in numbers and special characters. It explodes exponentially. Jerry Banker -Original Message- From: Kevin King [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:36 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case I understand your point Brian. So what do we do with the situation where upper case is actually more readable to me and yet less readable to you? How do we rationalize such a dichotomy? -K --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case
I've been listening to this with a mix of amusement and sympathy. I've been doing integration work between (originally DOS) and PICK since the early 80's, and have found myself shifting between C/C++/C#/Java/Other and PICK on a regular basis. I've come to accept that most of my customers want sample BASIC programs (or production ones) that are written in all caps, so I do that. I've also gotten good at doing the reverse caps thingy. That is, you are typing a program all in caps, and come to a line of user-text that needs to be mixed case, so I hold the shift key down to type lower case, releasing it for any letter that need's capitalization. I can do this at about 50 words per minute. I think I run about 70 in normal case, when I'm on a roll. How's that for a boundary skill? :) BTW, to the comment about straight guys not taking typing: I know that they didn't usually, but when I was in high school back in the plasticine epoch (right after the Pleistocene epoch), a bunch of my friends and I took typing because we thought it would be an easy course (and there were girls in it!) Given my career, it was one of the most useful courses I took in High School - one of the few, in fact, where I can say that I still clearly reap the benefits of it every day! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case
I am not sure that is a good argument .. a simple 15-20 line program FIND will convert all to upper case and do a search that way. DSig David Tod Sigafoos SigsSolutions, Inc. Original Message Subject: RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case From: Jerry Banker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, March 10, 2008 10:03 am To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org If you ever want a scare then go through the programs in the Universe BP file. Some are upper case program lines with mixed case comments and prompts, the way I prefer it, some are all lower case, some are mixed case, and some are a mixture of all types. In the latter it appears that whomever was programming at the time picked their preferred case. So it appears not only we mere mortals have a problem deciding what standard to use. My problem with mixed case in a program is not necessarily a reading issue but a search issue. Let's take the example of the variable var, if you use all caps it is easy to find, search on VAR! . You can do the same thing if you have all lower case but then the programming doesn't stand out from the comments or the prompts. If you program in mixed (camel) case then you would have to start looking for VAR, VAr, VaR, Var, vAR, vAr, vaR, and var, I know that no one would use a three letter variable in this way but it is possible and this is just a three letter variable. You can see what happens if you use a longer variable or command or by throwing in numbers and special characters. It explodes exponentially. Jerry Banker -Original Message- From: Kevin King [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:36 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case I understand your point Brian. So what do we do with the situation where upper case is actually more readable to me and yet less readable to you? How do we rationalize such a dichotomy? --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case
Along with Robert I also took Typing (along with football, tennis, soccer) in High School and am glad I did. Eric -Original Message- From: Robert Houben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:24 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case BTW, to the comment about straight guys not taking typing: I know that they didn't usually, but when I was in high school back in the plasticine epoch (right after the Pleistocene epoch), a bunch of my friends and I took typing because we thought it would be an easy course (and there were girls in it!) Given my career, it was one of the most useful courses I took in High School - one of the few, in fact, where I can say that I still clearly reap the benefits of it every day! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ LOBEL FINANCIAL PRIVACY NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential company information that is protected by federal law. Federal regulations prohibit the disclosure (or re-disclosure) of confidential information without the written consent of the person(s) to whom it pertains. Additionally, the views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case
Also most modern editors allow a case insensitive search - wintegrate editor and unidebugger do at least ! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 March 2008 18:48 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case I am not sure that is a good argument .. a simple 15-20 line program FIND will convert all to upper case and do a search that way. DSig David Tod Sigafoos SigsSolutions, Inc. Original Message Subject: RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case From: Jerry Banker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, March 10, 2008 10:03 am To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org If you ever want a scare then go through the programs in the Universe BP file. Some are upper case program lines with mixed case comments and prompts, the way I prefer it, some are all lower case, some are mixed case, and some are a mixture of all types. In the latter it appears that whomever was programming at the time picked their preferred case. So it appears not only we mere mortals have a problem deciding what standard to use. My problem with mixed case in a program is not necessarily a reading issue but a search issue. Let's take the example of the variable var, if you use all caps it is easy to find, search on VAR! . You can do the same thing if you have all lower case but then the programming doesn't stand out from the comments or the prompts. If you program in mixed (camel) case then you would have to start looking for VAR, VAr, VaR, Var, vAR, vAr, vaR, and var, I know that no one would use a three letter variable in this way but it is possible and this is just a three letter variable. You can see what happens if you use a longer variable or command or by throwing in numbers and special characters. It explodes exponentially. Jerry Banker -Original Message- From: Kevin King [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:36 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case I understand your point Brian. So what do we do with the situation where upper case is actually more readable to me and yet less readable to you? How do we rationalize such a dichotomy? --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case
I was not trying to offend anyone with that remark but back in the day typing was something that girls took and boys took shop. It was a fact not an accusation. Although I think it would have been a great asset for me today at the time it was hard enough trying to get through all of the social pressures without creating an additional one of my own making. Social norms change and today both genders do and should learn how to type because most of the kids will go into office jobs. Back then most men were likely to end up tightening a nut and bolt. Jerry Banker -Original Message- From: Eric Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 3:15 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case Along with Robert I also took Typing (along with football, tennis, soccer) in High School and am glad I did. Eric -Original Message- From: Robert Houben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:24 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case BTW, to the comment about straight guys not taking typing: I know that they didn't usually, but when I was in high school back in the plasticine epoch (right after the Pleistocene epoch), a bunch of my friends and I took typing because we thought it would be an easy course (and there were girls in it!) Given my career, it was one of the most useful courses I took in High School - one of the few, in fact, where I can say that I still clearly reap the benefits of it every day! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ LOBEL FINANCIAL PRIVACY NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential company information that is protected by federal law. Federal regulations prohibit the disclosure (or re-disclosure) of confidential information without the written consent of the person(s) to whom it pertains. Additionally, the views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case
Jerry, no offence taken here - I was in an all-girls college-prep high school, and the nuns refused to offer typing to the honors-track girls on the theory that we were not headed for secretarial jobs. My mother, bright woman that she was, decided that I would need to be able to type my college term papers, and made me take typing in summer school at the local public high school. I have been grateful ever since I first sat down to punch a deck of Hollerith cards! So it was not just a gender-based bias, even back then! Of course, we did not take Shop class either, so I had to learn to use tools by helping my Dad with chores. ;-) Susan Lynch FW Davison Company - Original Message - From: Jerry Banker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 4:58 PM Subject: RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case I was not trying to offend anyone with that remark but back in the day typing was something that girls took and boys took shop. It was a fact not an accusation. Although I think it would have been a great asset for me today at the time it was hard enough trying to get through all of the social pressures without creating an additional one of my own making. Social norms change and today both genders do and should learn how to type because most of the kids will go into office jobs. Back then most men were likely to end up tightening a nut and bolt. Jerry Banker -Original Message- From: Eric Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 3:15 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case Along with Robert I also took Typing (along with football, tennis, soccer) in High School and am glad I did. Eric -Original Message- From: Robert Houben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:24 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case BTW, to the comment about straight guys not taking typing: I know that they didn't usually, but when I was in high school back in the plasticine epoch (right after the Pleistocene epoch), a bunch of my friends and I took typing because we thought it would be an easy course (and there were girls in it!) Given my career, it was one of the most useful courses I took in High School - one of the few, in fact, where I can say that I still clearly reap the benefits of it every day! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ LOBEL FINANCIAL PRIVACY NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential company information that is protected by federal law. Federal regulations prohibit the disclosure (or re-disclosure) of confidential information without the written consent of the person(s) to whom it pertains. Additionally, the views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case
Typing and speed reading. Really came in handy too. BTW, to the comment about straight guys not taking typing: Charles Shaffer Senior Analyst NTN-Bower Corporation --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case
No offence taken. I got your point. I was just pointing out that some boys saw benefits courses like typing! :) I think we took it for reasons that were a bit unusual, but it sure worked out in the long run! BTW, my sister was the first girl to break into shop along with a friend of hers at our high school. We really broke the mold... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Banker Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 1:59 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case I was not trying to offend anyone with that remark but back in the day typing was something that girls took and boys took shop. It was a fact not an accusation. Although I think it would have been a great asset for me today at the time it was hard enough trying to get through all of the social pressures without creating an additional one of my own making. Social norms change and today both genders do and should learn how to type because most of the kids will go into office jobs. Back then most men were likely to end up tightening a nut and bolt. Jerry Banker -Original Message- From: Eric Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 3:15 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case Along with Robert I also took Typing (along with football, tennis, soccer) in High School and am glad I did. Eric -Original Message- From: Robert Houben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:24 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case BTW, to the comment about straight guys not taking typing: I know that they didn't usually, but when I was in high school back in the plasticine epoch (right after the Pleistocene epoch), a bunch of my friends and I took typing because we thought it would be an easy course (and there were girls in it!) Given my career, it was one of the most useful courses I took in High School - one of the few, in fact, where I can say that I still clearly reap the benefits of it every day! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ LOBEL FINANCIAL PRIVACY NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential company information that is protected by federal law. Federal regulations prohibit the disclosure (or re-disclosure) of confidential information without the written consent of the person(s) to whom it pertains. Additionally, the views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case
Do they even teach typing in school these day? My 15 year old daughter (who has had access to a computer since she was 2) is a fast 2 figure typist. I keep trying to get her to learn touch typing like I was taught in high school and college to no avail! She doesn't see the need for it! -Original Message- From: Susan Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 4:46 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case SNIP the local public high school SNIP --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case
Brenda: Did you ever see the Jay Leno skit with two green-eyeshade gentlemen sending each other a message via morse-code verses two of the best college text messagers? Green-eyeshaders won hands down. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhsSgcsTMd4 Sometimes old is good! :-) Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda Price Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 2:15 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case Do they even teach typing in school these day? My 15 year old daughter (who has had access to a computer since she was 2) is a fast 2 figure typist. I keep trying to get her to learn touch typing like I was taught in high school and college to no avail! She doesn't see the need for it! -Original Message- From: Susan Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 4:46 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case SNIP the local public high school SNIP --- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case
You should have seen what happened when my daughter decided to take Auto Shop. The instructors blood pressure must have nearly doubled when he found out he had a girl in his class. And that was just 8 years ago. Jerry Banker -Original Message- From: Robert Houben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 4:54 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case No offence taken. I got your point. I was just pointing out that some boys saw benefits courses like typing! :) I think we took it for reasons that were a bit unusual, but it sure worked out in the long run! BTW, my sister was the first girl to break into shop along with a friend of hers at our high school. We really broke the mold... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Banker Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 1:59 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case I was not trying to offend anyone with that remark but back in the day typing was something that girls took and boys took shop. It was a fact not an accusation. Although I think it would have been a great asset for me today at the time it was hard enough trying to get through all of the social pressures without creating an additional one of my own making. Social norms change and today both genders do and should learn how to type because most of the kids will go into office jobs. Back then most men were likely to end up tightening a nut and bolt. Jerry Banker -Original Message- From: Eric Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 3:15 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case Along with Robert I also took Typing (along with football, tennis, soccer) in High School and am glad I did. Eric -Original Message- From: Robert Houben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:24 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case BTW, to the comment about straight guys not taking typing: I know that they didn't usually, but when I was in high school back in the plasticine epoch (right after the Pleistocene epoch), a bunch of my friends and I took typing because we thought it would be an easy course (and there were girls in it!) Given my career, it was one of the most useful courses I took in High School - one of the few, in fact, where I can say that I still clearly reap the benefits of it every day! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ LOBEL FINANCIAL PRIVACY NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential company information that is protected by federal law. Federal regulations prohibit the disclosure (or re-disclosure) of confidential information without the written consent of the person(s) to whom it pertains. Additionally, the views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case
Back in MY day, boys took shop in Jr. High (and girls took Home Ec). By the time I was in high school, the only boys in shop classes were the Vocational Ed students. Typing was recommended for college prep students of both genders, in order to become proficient at typing term papers. - Original Message - From: Jerry Banker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 4:58 PM Subject: RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case I was not trying to offend anyone with that remark but back in the day typing was something that girls took and boys took shop. It was a fact not an accusation. Although I think it would have been a great asset for me today at the time it was hard enough trying to get through all of the social pressures without creating an additional one of my own making. Social norms change and today both genders do and should learn how to type because most of the kids will go into office jobs. Back then most men were likely to end up tightening a nut and bolt. Jerry Banker -Original Message- From: Eric Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 3:15 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case Along with Robert I also took Typing (along with football, tennis, soccer) in High School and am glad I did. Eric -Original Message- From: Robert Houben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:24 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case BTW, to the comment about straight guys not taking typing: I know that they didn't usually, but when I was in high school back in the plasticine epoch (right after the Pleistocene epoch), a bunch of my friends and I took typing because we thought it would be an easy course (and there were girls in it!) Given my career, it was one of the most useful courses I took in High School - one of the few, in fact, where I can say that I still clearly reap the benefits of it every day! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ LOBEL FINANCIAL PRIVACY NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential company information that is protected by federal law. Federal regulations prohibit the disclosure (or re-disclosure) of confidential information without the written consent of the person(s) to whom it pertains. Additionally, the views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case
They teach the 21st century equivalent -- keyboarding. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda Price Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 3:15 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case Do they even teach typing in school these day? My 15 year old daughter (who has had access to a computer since she was 2) is a fast 2 figure typist. I keep trying to get her to learn touch typing like I was taught in high school and college to no avail! She doesn't see the need for it! -Original Message- From: Susan Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 4:46 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case SNIP the local public high school SNIP --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case
Kevin: Sorry if I offended in any way; that was not my intention. I learned to type in high school. Typing got me a cushy job in the military. It got me extra money through college. When one learns to type two characteristics stand out; hands rest on the keyboard and eyes are generally looking elsewhere. Given this, it's understandable how two finger typing creates a certain point of view. That was my point, which I so ineloquently made. Two finger typing doesn't create the same operating environment learned typing does (noted above). The environment of both realities are much different; hence I have no frame of reference of watching each keystroke I type (it is often when I press the [Enter] key and I hear some sound that alerts me to the wrong case). Hence, my comments were made from the reality of a typist. As for your challenge, I'd be happy to take you up on it where we pit one who types against one who doesn't to see who can type a printed document the fastest. There's a lot of literature regarding the vast improvement in efficiency of learned typists over those who can't type. That's a pretty unfair challenge. However, if your challenge is that you're a more effective programmer than me I'll have to concede (as I would to most on this list); I had to work too hard to get through college and have a very difficult time working in an OOP development environment. :-) So, I'll agree to concede that for two finger typists, the status of the [Caps Lock] is mostly irrelevant? While you can concede that for those who can type, and don't look at what they're typing too often, [Caps Lock] on can present a problem. Agreed? Bill _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 6:12 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case Bill, I followed you until this: * Upper case is an anachronism and should be treated as such rather than defended. It is unwieldy for far too many and, in fact, interferes with efficient typing at every turn. Forcing people to use [Caps Lock] in U2 while all other used applications require [Caps Lock] to be off is a egalitarian ruse for autocracy. :-) * While I understand this is intended to be slightly tongue-in-cheek, saying that it unequivocally interferes with efficient typing at every turn is quite possibly much more generalized of a statement than the discussion warrants. While I agree with your assessment about the mix of applications that we are using at any given moment which are using the caps lock in the off position, I find this to be a non-issue and rarely miss more than a couple of characters when switching between apps. For me personally, a couple of caps mistakes a week beats the thousands of times pressing the Shift key where I - notably a two-finger typist - have to get both hands involved. But rather than rely upon conjecture, why not actually test this theory? Let's setup a meeting at Spectrum where we each create a simple sample program using our case of choice, and we'll appoint an official timer to see which method produces the fastest results. Game? -K --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] [UV] odd write failure in 10.2.7
I'm testing a new RH ES 5.0 server running UV 10.2.7, and I'm getting an odd error message on a write to a file: -- Found buffer on freechain that is marked as in use. Possible file corruption can be fixed with RESIZE. Program PGMWB0001: Line 2977, WRITE failure. -- There is nothing wrong with the file. I tried replacing it and resizing it as types 2, 18, and 19. I tried separations of 4, 8, and 16. Obviously an empty type 19 file can't be corrupt, yet I get the same message every time. This same program works fine on UV 10.1.4 running on RH AS 3.0 writing the exact same record. This is a fairly large record (approx. 28K) but nothing odd in the data that I can see. Writes to all other files within the program work fine, and every other program I've tested so far is able to write normally. I can also write a short dummy record to this file from within the same program. Anyone familiar with this error? Thanks, John John Hester System Network Administrator Momentum Group (949) 833-8886 x623 http://www.themomgroup.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case
In our school, seniors had a mandatory half year drivers ed followed by a mandatory half year of typing. I've been thankful for that ever since :) That's all history now; budget cuts eliminated driver's ed a long time ago, and typing is now back to a secretarial thing. Ron - Original Message - From: Jerry Banker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 4:58 PM Subject: RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case I was not trying to offend anyone with that remark but back in the day typing was something that girls took and boys took shop. It was a fact not an accusation. Although I think it would have been a great asset for me today at the time it was hard enough trying to get through all of the social pressures without creating an additional one of my own making. Social norms change and today both genders do and should learn how to type because most of the kids will go into office jobs. Back then most men were likely to end up tightening a nut and bolt. Jerry Banker -Original Message- From: Eric Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 3:15 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case Along with Robert I also took Typing (along with football, tennis, soccer) in High School and am glad I did. Eric -Original Message- From: Robert Houben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:24 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case BTW, to the comment about straight guys not taking typing: I know that they didn't usually, but when I was in high school back in the plasticine epoch (right after the Pleistocene epoch), a bunch of my friends and I took typing because we thought it would be an easy course (and there were girls in it!) Given my career, it was one of the most useful courses I took in High School - one of the few, in fact, where I can say that I still clearly reap the benefits of it every day! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ LOBEL FINANCIAL PRIVACY NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential company information that is protected by federal law. Federal regulations prohibit the disclosure (or re-disclosure) of confidential information without the written consent of the person(s) to whom it pertains. Additionally, the views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] [UV] odd write failure in 10.2.7
Any triggers on the file? On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 7:00 PM, John Hester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm testing a new RH ES 5.0 server running UV 10.2.7, and I'm getting an odd error message on a write to a file: -- Found buffer on freechain that is marked as in use. Possible file corruption can be fixed with RESIZE. Program PGMWB0001: Line 2977, WRITE failure. -- There is nothing wrong with the file. I tried replacing it and resizing it as types 2, 18, and 19. I tried separations of 4, 8, and 16. Obviously an empty type 19 file can't be corrupt, yet I get the same message every time. This same program works fine on UV 10.1.4 running on RH AS 3.0 writing the exact same record. This is a fairly large record (approx. 28K) but nothing odd in the data that I can see. Writes to all other files within the program work fine, and every other program I've tested so far is able to write normally. I can also write a short dummy record to this file from within the same program. Anyone familiar with this error? Thanks, John John Hester System Network Administrator Momentum Group (949) 833-8886 x623 http://www.themomgroup.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- -Kevin http://www.PrecisOnline.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
