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From: Jon Sisk j...@jes.com
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:17:44 -0700 (PDT)
Still, good ideas, but how many would like
their Pocket Guide to be the size of a normal
book, versus 3
Yes, yes - we definitely need some college classes offered in pick!
-Dianne
On 3/31/2010 2:26 AM, Dave R wrote:
Hey, Maybe we could take all of us out of work Pickies and have them teach
college class in pick so at least there would be programmers for Datatel and
the college book stores.
I'm not sure we're ever going to see college courses offered for Pick,
however I learned about hashing and linked frames in a college course. It
wasn't a class in Pick just in Data Structures.
We just have to learn how to market pick as a hashed database using
continuously resizeable linked
I'm not sure we're ever going to see college courses offered for Pick,
however I learned about hashing and linked frames in a college course.
There was a US college teaching with QM. I don't know if they still
are. The ability to put the entire system on a USB stick is very
attractive in
I have a copy of the Reality Pocket Guide (brown cover) which I think was
for 4.2 or some such.
Clive
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Somewhere in the back of my mind is a little voice saying you can't
trademark already existing words
That might be wrong, but I'm sure there's a suit about it somewhere.
Anyone? Buehler?
In a message dated 3/28/2010 3:38:10 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
j...@jes.com writes:
Dick,
AM
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide [not-secure]
Only because you mention lawsuit:
I recall Pick Systems calling their query language Access, before
Microsoft
came out with Access.
Do I recall correctly?
Mark Johnson
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From: Hennessey, Mark F. mark.hennes
From: MAJ Programming
...I'm surprised TG hasn't flamed anyone and
suggested that it get moved to another thread. I stray
one degree off center and he flames me pretty fast.
I guess he was going along for this ride as well.
Mark, I enjoy productive discussions about technology or about
: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide [not-secure]
Only because you mention lawsuit:
I recall Pick Systems calling their query language Access, before
Microsoft
came out with Access.
Do I recall correctly?
Mark Johnson
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From: Hennessey, Mark F. mark.hennes...@ct.gov
: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide [not-secure]
Heh - name it Genius and you invite a lawsuit from Apple...
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of David A.
Green
: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
You know, this is a true example of a typical pickie.
He gets his briefcase stolen, and all he cares about is his Pick manual!!
Should be an example to all of ussniff.
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From: u2-users-boun
that often. No-one can memorize all
of
those options.
...
...
Mark Johnson
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From: George Gallen ggal...@wyanokegroup.com
To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
You know
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Clifton Oliver
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:19 AM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
Well, the terminology issue is something we (Spectrum magazine in
particular) can promote since we
, and
in the long run may indeed help licence sales.
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From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno
Sent: 23 March 2010 04:51
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
From
When Microsoft first released Silverlight - the first books were from
Microsoft themselves, the others quickly followed.
You have just highlighted the essential difference between books and
software..
Software is a single sale: you buy that product from the manufacturer and
don't buy a rival
As much as we can't seem to get away from referring to TCL, how about MVTCL or
mvTCL!
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 03:16:06 -0400
From: jcan...@optonline.net
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
My bad on the mid-cap drop; sorry.
For TCL/ECL, maybe mvCommand
From: Tony Gravagno
The world would be a terrible place if software companies figured
out that they could
provide poor documentation and then make even more money as the unique
source of for-fee
books that explain their products.
Game software companies figured that out a long time ago, I'm
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fft2...@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:42 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
In a message dated 3/23/2010 4:14:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
br...@brianleach.co.uk
:
As much as we can't seem to get away from referring to TCL, how about
MVTCL or mvTCL!
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 03:16:06 -0400
From: jcan...@optonline.net
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
My bad on the mid-cap drop; sorry.
For TCL/ECL, maybe mvCommand
At the risk of stating the obvious, I think the following is the best
'centrist' approach for the common query commands:
MVQL - Multi Value Query Language.
As for the database resource - it's almost a non-issue any more who the
provider is since most have 'flavors' that mimic the major
Brilliant! I have had a terrible time explaining to users why the term
TCL exists, at least since the last time I was using an ADDS Viewpoint
as my I/O device.
Dan McGrath wrote:
Hi Clif,
I'd be interesting in reading. I write the occasional piece and probably
should use more encompassing
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Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
My bad on the mid-cap drop; sorry.
For TCL/ECL, maybe mvCommand or mvControl?
I didn't say it will be easy or even worthwhile for the experts; but, I
think it must help in some way to be known as the gurus in this market
(better billable
: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
I would talk to Brian Leach about how he publishes his. If I'm not mistaken
they are printed on demand. I have bought a few from him, and they are very
good quality.
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brian Leach
Sent: Dienstag, 23. März 2010 10:34
To: lbc7...@gmail.com; 'U2 Users List'
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
Lloyd
Thanks! Yes, I use Lulu because the volumes are so small and since they are
US based - as is most
Maybe instead of waiting for the vendors to agree, we, the community should
come up with our own name for the environment. IIRC, multivalue was not
thought up by a vendor. Wasn't it our past editor of Spectrum who came up
with that name?
W.J.
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Sent: 23 March 2010 10:22 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
Maybe instead of waiting for the vendors
Clif:
Sounds like a Better and Better submission! :-)
Bill
Clifton Oliver said the following on 3/22/2010 8:21 PM:
Well, when the best known providers can't even get correct documentation in
their manuals or examples
Common thread winding through this post...
At the TigerLogic Conference a few months ago, Susie Siegesmund
was a key speaker. Many of us joked/suspected/(hoped?) that TL
had a Rocket in their pocket. But Susie's excellent presentation
really underscored both a desire and a need for
Tony
As always you make some good points.
1/ It's not the term MultiValue I have a problem with - that we should
continue to support since it already has a meaning and a presence, and one
worth building on. For one thing, MVDBMS is a nice abbreviation!
It's the terminology used within that,
Looking at it from the point of view of a potential new adopter. The word
Pick can refer to many things. Not specific enough. Multivalued is also
kind of vague. Lots of things have multiple values.
I always use the term nested relational database. It establishes that it
is a relational
In a message dated 3/23/2010 4:14:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
br...@brianleach.co.uk writes:
So suggestions welcomed.
I'm opining that we need a name that is NOT an existing word or acronym of
anything else. Something brand new and fresh and unique so no more false
positives.
Will
Maybe you could add Ultimate, Reality, Climax, and
Evolution to the mix to help in the search efforts.
Seriously, looking for Pick books on Ebay is a good
way to find guitar picks dropped at concerts.
As to SMA, the only thing they ever agreed on was
to use my Pick Pocket Guide as a baseline
In a message dated 3/23/2010 10:41:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
br...@brianleach.co.uk writes:
1/ It's not the term MultiValue I have a problem with - that we should
continue to support since it already has a meaning and a presence, and one
worth building on. For one thing, MVDBMS is a nice
In a message dated 3/23/2010 11:18:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
charles_shaf...@ntn-bower.com writes:
I always use the term nested relational database. It establishes that it
is a relational database, which is reassuring. But nested differentiates
it and suggests additional
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Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:42 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
In a message dated 3/23/2010 4:14:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
br...@brianleach.co.uk
I say we name it Genius so we can all feel smarter when we go to
work!
That's a lot to live up to.
Charles Shaffer
Senior Analyst
NTN-Bower Corporation
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So, one of us will write Genius for Dummies?
Bruce M Neylon
Health Care Management Group
From: David A. Green dgr...@dagconsulting.com
To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Date: 03/23/2010 04:27 PM
Subject:Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
Sent by:u2-users-boun
Genius for Dummies. You're killing me.
You know what would be nice. A UniBasic back-end with a corresponding
JavaScript Toolkit, or library for the client-side that would create a
dynamic, seamless, powerful, yet simple to use environment for displaying
tables, lookups, autocomplete lists,
When I was still working at U2, we met with Mike Ruane of Revelation
Software to discuss projects of common interest to both companies. At
the time I had hoped there was a chance of greater collaboration then
what transpired after I left.
It's a shame that more wasn't possible then, but I suppose
In Spectrum magazine, we use the term MultiValue Basic to talk about the
programming language in articles that are not platform specific. I put it in
the style and usage guide for just the reasons being brought up here. I don't
see any reason not to add other MultiValue generic terms.
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
In Spectrum magazine, we use the term MultiValue Basic to talk about the
programming language in articles that are not platform specific. I put it in
the style and usage guide for just the reasons being brought up here. I
don't see any reason
(and I see many of them here too).
Regards,
Jim
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From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Clifton Oliver
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 6:39 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket
MultiValue Shell (MVSH) to mind.
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From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Clifton
Oliver
Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2010 4:19 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
Well, the terminology issue
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
Hi Clif,
I'd be interesting in reading. I write the occasional piece and probably
should use more encompassing terms to enhance future search-ability and
to promote the database style.
Regarding ECL/TCL/etc, since I'm normally in Unix/Linux land, I
Wow. You held on to that a long time.
Sorry about losing your briefcase to some lowlife.
As a point of reference, the last official PPG covered R81,
which was renamed without many changes to R83.
R90 was only used by Ian Sandler for his GA version.
I did a CIE Pocket Guide which was closer to
I will NEVER give mine up, even though it is held together with rubber
bands now! :)
-Dianne
MAJ Programming wrote:
My briefcase was stolen and in it was one of these small JES Pick Pocket Guides.
While I have access to all of the docs I need via the internet, I still refer
to this for some
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From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dianne Ackerman
Sent: Montag, 22. März 2010 13:59
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
I will NEVER give mine up, even though it is held together with rubber
bands now
List
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
I will NEVER give mine up, even though it is held together with rubber
bands now! :)
-Dianne
MAJ Programming wrote:
My briefcase was stolen and in it was one of these small JES Pick
Pocket Guides.
While I have access to all of the docs I need via
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
I have had mine since 1988 it is version IV and I am also sorry that I
can't depart from it.
Laura
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From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dianne
Ackerman
Sent
Copyright questions notwithstanding, someone who has one of these could
maybe submit to google and they might put it up on google books for the
whole world to enjoy.
Brad
U.S. BANCORP made the following annotations
-
Electronic
My copy went the way of the dinosaurs years ago. Who knew it would become such
a collectors' item?
PS: I use the SYS.HELP BASIC.HELP files if I need them.
Karen Bessel
Software Developer
Tyler Technologies, Inc.
972.713.3770 ext: 6227
www.tylertech.com
: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:30 AM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
Copyright questions notwithstanding, someone who has one of these could
maybe submit to google and they might put it up on google books for the
whole world to enjoy.
Brad
U.S. BANCORP made the following annotations
] On Behalf Of MAJ Programming
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:59 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
My briefcase was stolen and in it was one of these small JES Pick
Pocket Guides.
While I have access to all of the docs I need via the internet, I still
refer
Okay... I mean't to say off-list.
It's the Fifth Edition, if that matters.
Gwen
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From: Gwen Buck
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 9:17 AM
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: RE: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
Mark,
I have an extra. Contact me off-line at gb...@gaska.com
Regards
I don't know where to put this note in this thread so I'll reply
to my friend Jon...
What amazes me is that the Pick/MV community seems to be so
anti-book and pro-everything-should-be-free, and this is why
we haven't seen any new books in this industry for so many years.
And yet the fondness and
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
I don't know where to put this note in this thread so I'll reply
to my friend Jon...
What amazes me is that the Pick/MV community seems to be so
anti-book and pro-everything-should-be-free, and this is why
we haven't seen any new books in this industry for so
I would be especially interested in a good book about web development with
a U2 back end. Connectivity issues, etc. There's lots of work going on
in the area, but no books that I am aware of.
Also, an updated Pick Pocket Guide. I keep getting caught with my hand in
their pocket and then I
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charles_shaf...@ntn-bower.com
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 1:51 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
I would be especially interested in a good book about web development
with
a U2 back end. Connectivity issues, etc. There's lots of work going
-
From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-
boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 1:39 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
I don't know where to put this note in this thread so I'll reply
I still have mine :-) Close to 20 years now...
Sent from my iPhone 3Gs
On 22 Mar 2010, at 10:00 AM, Jon Sisk j...@jes.com wrote:
Wow. You held on to that a long time.
Sorry about losing your briefcase to some lowlife.
As a point of reference, the last official PPG covered R81,
which was
In a message dated 3/22/2010 10:41:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
3xk547...@sneakemail.com writes:
If people in this community expressed serious interest in new
books and other education material for MV, we'd have them. Heck,
a windbag like me can cough up a few hundred pages in a weekend.
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From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-
boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:39 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
I don't know where to put this note
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:39 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
I don't know where to put this note in this thread so I'll reply
to my friend Jon
In a message dated 3/22/2010 11:09:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
ggal...@wyanokegroup.com writes:
think a Wintergate for Dummies
Accuterm Scripting for Dummies
The integrated help is helpful, but not really for someone trying to learn
it for the first time.
Will
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03/22/2010 12:54 PM
Please respond to U2 Users List
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cc:
Subject:Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
Check out Brian Leach's offerings.
http://www.brianleach.co.uk
From: Bessel, Karen
Really A lack of MV books may cost me my
job??? I don't want to throw flames here, but I don't
think I've ever heard anything quite so ridiculous.
The concept is truly worthy of ridicule but voicing the belief
that this has happened and will continue to happen
In a message dated 3/22/2010 11:42:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
3xk547...@sneakemail.com writes:
Quick note to anyone who says they'd like to publish HowTos and
other helpful info free to the community: that's what PickWiki
and the U2UG wiki are for. Write your material there, solicit
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 2:38 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
From: Bessel, Karen
Really A lack of MV
- An idea here for Rocket perhaps ???
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno
Sent: 22 March 2010 17:39
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
I don't know
-
From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of MAJ
Programming
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 5:59 p.m.
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
My briefcase was stolen and in it was one of these small JES Pick Pocket
Guides
In message col107-w66ce4bea66ba98420166ce2...@phx.gbl, Jo Lester
jp.les...@hotmail.com writes
I haven't bought an old pick book by Jonathan Sisk for weeks. If Jon
printed, or released existing books, however old to Kindle, I'd buy.
This goes for you too, Tony. You write well.
I don't know
I have not given up any of my copyrights.
These are all interesting ideas, but the issue really is scale.
Back in the day, I could print and sell thousands of
Pocket Guides, and my publishers all printed a minimum
of 5000 on any run, most of which I sold directly.
So while there was a chance
...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jon Sisk
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:38 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
I have not given up any of my copyrights.
These are all interesting ideas, but the issue really is scale.
Back in the day, I could print and sell
I would talk to Brian Leach about how he publishes his. If I'm not
mistaken they are printed on demand. I have bought a few from him,
and they are very good quality.
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Still, good ideas, but how many would like
their Pocket Guide to be the size of a normal
book, versus 3-3/4x6?
If that's what you want, look for the
Desk Reference Edition of the Pick
Pocket Guide, which we produced as
part of The Pick Library from Tab
Books, Inc, a division of McMillan.
It
Well, when the best known providers can't even get correct documentation in
their manuals or examples that actually work, one wonders how suited they are
to producing such literature. I'm not arguing against your point that they
*should* be the leaders--like Sun, Microsoft, etc.--in literature.
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From: Jon Sisk j...@jes.com
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:38 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
I have not given up any of my copyrights.
These are all interesting ideas, but the issue really is scale.
Back in the day, I could print and sell
From: Tony Gravagno ...
just like Linux, SQL Server, PHP, Java, C#, Excel, and hundreds
of other technical topics
From: Symeon Breen
If you look at the other technologies you mention- the
actual providers of these technologies are leaders in
also providing books the providers are the
That one was easier to explain to my parents than my
previous book, The REALITY Pocket Guide.
They thought I was mixed up in some crazy California
religious computer cult.
And they were more or less correct.
j.
George Gallen-2 wrote:
I recently stumbled across this link
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boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jon Sisk
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:39 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Pick pocket guide
That one was easier to explain to my parents than my
previous book, The REALITY Pocket Guide
I recently stumbled across this link
http://www.jes.com/mvpubs/ppg4.html
I love the comment at the bottom, about them being held up or confiscated at
customs.
I remember when I moved from one apartment to another, my wife's two uncles
both police officers, were gravely concerned, took me into
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