Re: Uniobjects / php
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP But the problem has always been the equivalent of what mvInternet does. That is, connect Apache to Universe. So you have another idea of how to connect Apache (or really any other page server) to Universe? I don't understand what open port 80 means or whether this actually allows Apache to talk directly to Universe or whatever. Will One way is by CGI-scripts: In cgi-bin ( or whatever Your Apache stores them see Apache config ) place a shell script like: ( the echo $form and the | tee log.answer is only for debugging ) And you may want to concatenate some environment variables from apache like $REMOTE_HOST to the form. my.para should start a program that interpretes the forms content ( wich it will find in @COMMAND ) and call the application routines. Whatever is printed to std output from within these will be forwarded to the browser. The format of $form above is variable1=value1variable2=value2... where the values have a few characters encoded as %xx (ascii hexadecimal) e.g. space, equals, ampersand. The html form must be type 'POST' and have an action='myscript' in the form tag refering to the shell script in cgi-bin. Now there are only some minor details left as figuring out how to preserve session level data and setting up rules for translating form fields to u2 actions and ... writing the application :^ ) We have used this approach on netscape and apache http-servers. cheers / mats -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Uniobjects / php
OOPS my nice looking cut and paste thingy didn't stick: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP But the problem has always been the equivalent of what mvInternet does. That is, connect Apache to Universe. So you have another idea of how to connect Apache (or really any other page server) to Universe? I don't understand what open port 80 means or whether this actually allows Apache to talk directly to Universe or whatever. Will One way is by CGI-scripts: In cgi-bin ( or whatever Your Apache stores them see Apache config ) place a shell script like: #!/bin/ksh echo Content-type: text/html echo read form echo $form/var/apache/log.form cd /my/account /u1/uv/bin/uv my.para $form | tee log.answer ( the echo $form and the | tee log.answer is only for debugging ) And you may want to concatenate some environment variables from apache like $REMOTE_HOST to the form. my.para should start a program that interpretes the forms content ( wich it will find in @COMMAND ) and call the application routines. Whatever is printed to std output from within these will be forwarded to the browser. The format of $form above is variable1=value1variable2=value2... where the values have a few characters encoded as %xx (ascii hexadecimal) e.g. space, equals, ampersand. The html form must be type 'POST' and have an action='myscript' in the form tag refering to the shell script in cgi-bin. Now there are only some minor details left as figuring out how to preserve session level data and setting up rules for translating form fields to u2 actions and ... writing the application :^ ) We have used this approach on netscape and apache http-servers. cheers / mats -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
MVInternet (was: Re: Uniobjects / php)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's my expertise: 1) Pick BASIC 2) I can write HTML and I wrote a few javascripts! 3) I setup Apache as a web server Then Pixius' product is *perfect* for you, that's all you need. Using exactly that, we had both a reporting front-end (read-only) and one that was read-write for users to enter records into a handful of files. If we knew then what we know now, we might still be using it, but we didn't design it very well and it became difficult to maintain. That was *our* fault, and perhaps an inherent issue with procedural programming where all variables are global-- the usual gripes about UniBasic coming from an object-oriented programmer. But the problem has always been the equivalent of what mvInternet does. That is, connect Apache to Universe. So you have another idea of how to connect Apache (or really any other page server) to Universe? I don't understand what open port 80 means or whether this actually allows Apache to talk directly to Universe or whatever. What do you not like about MVInternet? I didn't do the original setup, but you need to configure Apache so that it does CGI, probably by installing a module (?). Then you place mvi.exe in the cgi-bin directory, it has a config file to tell it what to connect to, and it basically logs in with a telnet session and runs UniBasic programs at the colon prompt. The output of those (whatever you CRT to the screen, which is now HTML instead of columns of data) gets captured, you tell it to swap [TOKEN.NAMES] with the values that you set up in two dynamic arrays, and it sends the resulting HTML out to the browser. I think there's a trial version, grab it and ask if you have any questions. Port 80 is the default HTTP (web) port. It's what you connect to when you type http://www.example.com. Sometimes you will see a URL like http://www.example.com:8081 where the number after the colon is a different port number. If you have a URL starting with https:// it is going to port 443, the default SSL port. Apparently you can use CallHTTP to answer requests directly from UniVerse. I would not expose a port on my production database server to the internet, however! -- Wendy Smoak Application Systems Analyst, Sr. ASU IA Information Resources Management -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Uniobjects / php
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Katz Does anyone know if they have uniobjects for php? Not that I'm aware of, but if you're brave you can convince UniObjects for Java and PHP to work together. Look on http://www.pickwiki.com for more information, at least two of us here have done it. In my case, they decided to go with InterCall instead, they had more C experience than Java. I don't know if anyone is using it in production-- the PHP-Java extension was still marked experimental last time I looked, and I was not able to get any help from the developer. -- Wendy Smoak Application Systems Analyst, Sr. ASU IA Information Resources Management -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Uniobjects / php
In a message dated 4/20/2004 2:20:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not that I'm aware of, but if you're brave you can convince UniObjects for Java and PHP to work together. Look on http://www.pickwiki.com for more information, at least two of us here have done it. So are you saying that with Universe, Uniobjects and Java only I can have a web presence directly talking to my Universe database? Is that what you're saying? Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Uniobjects / php
If you want to play around with PHP interacting with the Universe
environment in an extremely simple way you can try the stuff below. Note
that I dont recommend this methodology for production systems but its a good
simple example.
The following stuff will execute any Universe command/cataloged program,
pass it data via the command line, and display the results. Assumptions:
You have a universe account setup as uvtest under your web root on a machine
running apache/php. The lister.html and lister.php files will reside in the
uvtest Universe account directory.
First create an html file (lister.html) containing a form to collect our
program name and any data to be passed to it. Here is my html:
html
head
title
Generic UV Process Runner
/title
/head
body bgcolor=white
center
h2Lets Run A Universe Process/h2
p
hr
form bgcolor=white name=aform action=lister.php method=post
table
tr
td
Program Name
td
input type=text name=name size=35
tr
td
Some Data
td
input type=text name=somedata size=35
/table
p
input type=submit value=Submit
/form
/body
/html
Now create our PHP file (lister.php):
html
head
titleUvtest/title
/head
body
?php
$name = $_POST[name];
$dat = $_POST[somedata];
$cmdstr = uv ;
$cmdstr .= $name;
$cmdstr .= ;
$cmdstr .= $dat;
exec($cmdstr,$returnedstuff,$retval);
foreach($returnedstuff as $oo) {
echo $oo br;
}
?
/body
/html
Point your browser to Http://localhost/uvtest/lister.html and happily
execute anything you can do from a UV command line. I first tested this
with LIST VOC SAMPLE 5 as the program name and no data entered. If you
construct programs which take command line input and output html code you
can pretty much create a whole application which uses lister.php as a
generic data mover.
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RE: Uniobjects / php
Yes, I've played with it -- no production work and yes, Apache's axis is THE way I'd do web services (were I to have such a project on my plate right now). --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Boydell Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 5:54 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Uniobjects / php Behalf Of Dawn M. Wolthuis The fastest, bestest, free way I know to have html--U2 with update capability is by using tomcat for a web server (or at least for an app server, i.e. a servlet container), then UOJ classes with Java. Client: Web Browser, with html / jsp Http Server: Requires a servlet container, such as tomcat, this is where the Java classes including UOJ classes run Database Server: U2 It works. See pickwiki.com (or .org?) You could use Jython, in theory, although I haven't tried that. --dawn Have you used Axis at all - would you consider throwing that into the mix too for Web Services? http://ws.apache.org/axis/ Stuart ** This email message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of addressed recipient(s). If you have received this email in error please notify the Spotless IS Support Centre (61 3 9269 7555) immediately who will advise further action. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been scanned for the presence of computer viruses. ** -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Uniobjects / php
In a message dated 4/20/2004 3:12:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you have a specific project in mind? There are at least half a dozen ways to get U2 data to appear on a web page, the best way depends on what expertise you already have in-house and how complex the problem is. -- Wendy Smoak Application Systems Analyst, Sr. ASU IA Information Resources Management -- Here's my expertise: 1) Pick BASIC 2) I can write HTML and I wrote a few javascripts! 3) I setup Apache as a web server But the problem has always been the equivalent of what mvInternet does. That is, connect Apache to Universe. So you have another idea of how to connect Apache (or really any other page server) to Universe? I don't understand what open port 80 means or whether this actually allows Apache to talk directly to Universe or whatever. Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: UniObjects
Have a look at the subkey property on the session object. You will need to alter this to be unique (after every 10 connections). HTH. Regards, Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Vezertzis Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 5:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: UniObjects We are having a UniObject dilemma and wanted to see if anyone has had a similar problem and/or resolution. When making a call into Universe, via UniObjects, we are seeing a session limit of 10 sessions. Obviously, this is the 10 spawn max on enterprise or ip-based Universe licenses. We were under the impression that when license 1 had spawned 10 sessions, then we would roll to license 2 and so forth, until we reached the max licenses available. Has anyone come across this problem? Thanks, Kevin -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: UniObjects
UniObjects does not use a sockets-based interface, so SSL and so on aren't relevant. Rather, UniObjects uses a proprietary interface built on an architecture called InterCall. The only security is a port number that's not used for anything else, and a check in the unirpcservices file about nodes permitted to access the uvcs/udcs service. In particular, no encryption is available within the product. - Original Message - From: Kevin Vezertzis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:53:23 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: UniObjects Does anyone have knowledge of how to handle secure communications from UniObjects into Universe? (SSL, SSH, etc.) We are covered from end user to UniObjects, but not from UniObjects to Universe. I haven't been able to find any supporting documentation.. Thanks, Kevin Kevin D. Vezertzis Project Manager Cypress Business Solutions, LLC. 678.494.9353 ext. 6576 Fax 678.494.9354 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us at www.cypressesolutions.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: UniObjects
The transport layer between the two servers, Universe Database and UniObject Client, is thru a TCPIP/socket; this is the network traffic that we are trying to encrypt. Hiding the port or restricting the node access does not keep the packets from being captured Has anyone tried using Stunnel? James F Thompson Senior Systems Analyst Cypress Business Solutions, LLC 678.494.9353 Ext 6575 Fax 678.494.9354 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cypressesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ray Wurlod Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 4:47 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: UniObjects UniObjects does not use a sockets-based interface, so SSL and so on aren't relevant. Rather, UniObjects uses a proprietary interface built on an architecture called InterCall. The only security is a port number that's not used for anything else, and a check in the unirpcservices file about nodes permitted to access the uvcs/udcs service. In particular, no encryption is available within the product. - Original Message - From: Kevin Vezertzis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:53:23 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: UniObjects Does anyone have knowledge of how to handle secure communications from UniObjects into Universe? (SSL, SSH, etc.) We are covered from end user to UniObjects, but not from UniObjects to Universe. I haven't been able to find any supporting documentation.. Thanks, Kevin Kevin D. Vezertzis Project Manager Cypress Business Solutions, LLC. 678.494.9353 ext. 6576 Fax 678.494.9354 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us at www.cypressesolutions.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: UniObjects
While we are discussing UniObject... has anyone out there had any luck with it and ColdFusion? We are having a problem with assigning a value to a dynamic array using the Field/Value method. Only the last value is retained in the array and it is always in the first attribute. James F Thompson Senior Systems Analyst Cypress Business Solutions, LLC 678.494.9353 Ext 6575 Fax 678.494.9354 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cypressesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ray Wurlod Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 4:47 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: UniObjects UniObjects does not use a sockets-based interface, so SSL and so on aren't relevant. Rather, UniObjects uses a proprietary interface built on an architecture called InterCall. The only security is a port number that's not used for anything else, and a check in the unirpcservices file about nodes permitted to access the uvcs/udcs service. In particular, no encryption is available within the product. - Original Message - From: Kevin Vezertzis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:53:23 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: UniObjects Does anyone have knowledge of how to handle secure communications from UniObjects into Universe? (SSL, SSH, etc.) We are covered from end user to UniObjects, but not from UniObjects to Universe. I haven't been able to find any supporting documentation.. Thanks, Kevin Kevin D. Vezertzis Project Manager Cypress Business Solutions, LLC. 678.494.9353 ext. 6576 Fax 678.494.9354 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us at www.cypressesolutions.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: UniObjects
Kevin wrote: Does anyone have knowledge of how to handle secure communications from UniObjects into Universe? (SSL, SSH, etc.) We are covered from end user to UniObjects, but not from UniObjects to Universe. I haven't been able to find any supporting documentation.. We have firewalls in place which encrypt the traffic between the web server (which uses UniObjects for Java) and the database server. If you're going to do it that way, buy two for each end and configure them to fail over, we've been down WAY more times because one of the firewall appliances was misbehaving than due to a real problem with either of the servers. I assume the original post was about UniObjects-for-VB, but the UOJ manual does discuss using SSL. (Considering how much fun I had trying to get SSL working with CallHTTP, I am not planning to use it with UOJ.) -- Wendy Smoak Application Systems Analyst, Sr. ASU IA Information Resources Management -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: UniObjects
How about opening a PPTP link from the PCs that will connect to the server, then opening the TCP/IP uniObjects connection through the tunnel? Isn't that what Stunnel does anyway? Karl On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 15:16, James F Thompson wrote: The transport layer between the two servers, Universe Database and UniObject Client, is thru a TCPIP/socket; this is the network traffic that we are trying to encrypt. Hiding the port or restricting the node access does not keep the packets from being captured Has anyone tried using Stunnel? James F Thompson Senior Systems Analyst Cypress Business Solutions, LLC 678.494.9353 Ext 6575Fax 678.494.9354 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cypressesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ray Wurlod Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 4:47 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: UniObjects UniObjects does not use a sockets-based interface, so SSL and so on aren't relevant. Rather, UniObjects uses a proprietary interface built on an architecture called InterCall. The only security is a port number that's not used for anything else, and a check in the unirpcservices file about nodes permitted to access the uvcs/udcs service. In particular, no encryption is available within the product. - Original Message - From: Kevin Vezertzis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:53:23 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: UniObjects Does anyone have knowledge of how to handle secure communications from UniObjects into Universe? (SSL, SSH, etc.) We are covered from end user to UniObjects, but not from UniObjects to Universe. I haven't been able to find any supporting documentation.. Thanks, Kevin Kevin D. Vezertzis Project Manager Cypress Business Solutions, LLC. 678.494.9353 ext. 6576 Fax 678.494.9354 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us at www.cypressesolutions.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Karl L. Pearson Director of IT, ATS Industrial Supply Direct: 801-978-4429 Toll-free: 888-972-3182 x29 Fax: 801-972-3888 http://www.atsindustrial.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: UniObjects
I gave up on coldconfusion because the web pages created were simply a mess. Perhaps that was more of a problem with our developers than ColdFusion, but it just works better with ASP.NET or plain old .Net web forms. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James F Thompson Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 5:26 PM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: UniObjects While we are discussing UniObject... has anyone out there had any luck with it and ColdFusion? We are having a problem with assigning a value to a dynamic array using the Field/Value method. Only the last value is retained in the array and it is always in the first attribute. James F Thompson Senior Systems Analyst Cypress Business Solutions, LLC 678.494.9353 Ext 6575 Fax 678.494.9354 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cypressesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ray Wurlod Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 4:47 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: UniObjects UniObjects does not use a sockets-based interface, so SSL and so on aren't relevant. Rather, UniObjects uses a proprietary interface built on an architecture called InterCall. The only security is a port number that's not used for anything else, and a check in the unirpcservices file about nodes permitted to access the uvcs/udcs service. In particular, no encryption is available within the product. - Original Message - From: Kevin Vezertzis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:53:23 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: UniObjects Does anyone have knowledge of how to handle secure communications from UniObjects into Universe? (SSL, SSH, etc.) We are covered from end user to UniObjects, but not from UniObjects to Universe. I haven't been able to find any supporting documentation.. Thanks, Kevin Kevin D. Vezertzis Project Manager Cypress Business Solutions, LLC. 678.494.9353 ext. 6576 Fax 678.494.9354 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us at www.cypressesolutions.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Uniobjects
Steve, Look at NRG (Nucleus Accuterm). The screens are fast, the security is all server based (even at the field level), and the tool allows you to use the same code base to service green screens during the transition. Nucleus also lets you develop for the web and use those web pages as green screens as well. http://www.binarystar.com -- Sincerely, Charles Barouch www.KeyAlly.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve Mayo wrote: Hi Everyone, We are in the process of analyzing different approaches to porting our software to a GUI environment. We are currently looking at Uniobjects for Java, System Builder, jBase with ObjEx, OpenInsight and Obsydian (which I have yet to get information on). If you have any other ideas or have gone through this process, I would like to know a few things: 1) How is the response time with multiple windows up at the same time? 2) How did you deal with security? We need field level security. 3) The approach you used to convert the screens, etc. We are using Unidata on AIX, have 40+ users and have in excess of 200 screens. Any help would be appreciated. Steve Mayo -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Uniobjects
No so at all - the majority of the WinFAST installations that are out there (not STORIS mind you but the other, non-MV ones) are primarily done in AutoGui mode. This is a mechanism that we chose not to use because we opted for the whole hog approach. I recommend that anyone looking for a relatively simple, inexpensive and quick to market solution to the perennial it looks like DOS complaint. Look at WinFAST - it's versatile (you can get a GUI in a short period of time, thus preserving market share) and then, if you choose to, go to the event driven model. As you know Debster, we made a reasoned business decision not to go with the AutoGui mechanism because we felt that A) we had enough time left in the character based application to do it right the first time and B) that the underlying business rules needed to be broken out of the input routines anyway. Based on those two facts, the decision to re-write was made with full knowledge of the time and expense needed. Prior to making that decision however, several proof of concept trials were made and the face of the product was very successfully changed to look as though it were developed in VB (or other graphically-oriented tool). I stand by my statement having been intimately involved with the product from the beginning of our relationship with them. Anyone who would like further information about this issue is free to contact me off-list for details. Dave Graham Storis Management Systems, Inc. (954) 725-3655 Ext. 102 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 12:30 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Uniobjects Ahem -- 30 Days Dave? Admittedly it's a nice product and very easy to use but 30 days is stretching it just a wee bit. Not impossible but it would have to be a Chief/Cook/Bottlewasher operation, (you know how those confused powers that be that keep changing their minds (13 times on one screen alone comes to mind), along with end-users can slow things a tad) with a relatively simple system. -- Debster Steve, I recommend that you check out WinFAST (www.goWinFAST.com). We have been using the product for 2+ years now and it's blindingly fast, as secure as your existing application and can be implemented in less than 30 days with minimal code changes (or you can go 'whole hog' and re-write your code into an event driven model). Dave Graham Storis Management Systems, Inc. (954) 725-3655 Ext. 102 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Steve Mayo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 3:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Uniobjects Hi Everyone, We are in the process of analyzing different approaches to porting our software to a GUI environment. We are currently looking at Uniobjects for Java, System Builder, jBase with ObjEx, OpenInsight and Obsydian (which I have yet to get information on). If you have any other ideas or have gone through this process, I would like to know a few things: 1) How is the response time with multiple windows up at the same time? 2) How did you deal with security? We need field level security. 3) The approach you used to convert the screens, etc. We are using Unidata on AIX, have 40+ users and have in excess of 200 screens. Any help would be appreciated. Steve Mayo -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Uniobjects
Steve, (and others who may be curious about migrating to GUI) As one with extensive experience in development of GUI and character based applications with the Nucleus/NRG environment, I would like to offer a rapid 2 cents worth. You wrote: We are in the process of analyzing different approaches to porting our software to a GUI environment. We are currently looking at Uniobjects for Java, System Builder, jBase with ObjEx, OpenInsight and Obsydian (which I have yet to get information on). If you have any other ideas or have gone through this process, I would like to know a few things: 1) How is the response time with multiple windows up at the same time? Response time to switch between windows is usually dependent on basic factors: a) Size of the object(s) (i.e. programs) that will be brought into focus. b) Speed of the client machine, as fast desktops are cheap these days (1,800 mhz AMD processor system for under $300.00), a client system with a 700 mhz or better processor with adequate memory ensures rapid transition times between modules. c) Large modules that load data from a host system can take a few seconds to initially load especially when large amounts of data are to be displayed. (Compare loading of a large Excel spreadsheet to a small one). d) Multiple objects may exist on a active desktop, some in sleep mode, and others in active mode where the active objects come to focus more quickly. e) As the Nucleus environment is a smart-thin-client environment, the only thing that is loaded from the host system is a template describing to the client-manager what and where, along with the data to be displayed. I can safely state that you can either work hard and write code to incorporate objects, or let the Nucleus/NRG engine do the work for you with a far faster deployment and greatly simplified maintenance. 2) How did you deal with security? We need field level security. Security in Nucleus/NRG can be controlled at the field level on a user by user or group level. Security for any Menu, File, Command, Device etc., can also be implemented on a user or group basis, much as exists in a unix environment. Security can be added at design time or tightened up later as security requirements are codified (written) without incurring any design stage issues. There will be no problem if you desire to implement security as an afterthought, as it is inherent in the Nucleus engine managing the object sets. 3) The approach you used to convert the screens, etc. Nucleus screen design is structured to layer on top of data definitions - i.e. DATA DICTS. If your dictionaries are clean and easily read and understood by humans - either A, S or I type, you can quickly prototype a screen from the Nucleus shell prompt, as: CUSTOMERFILE CUST.ID WINDOW(width,depth,column,row) @(col,row) COMPANY ADDRESS etc. and have a screen appear within seconds. The design phase is rather straightforward and familiar to anyone who has used BASIC, RETRIEVE/ENGLISH and data dictionaries. Rules can be quickly added, existing subroutines can be called as long as the COMMON blocks don't conflict. Btree selections are a no-brainer to implement along with intersected joins and automated choicewindow selections. Migrating from a hand-coded character based environment to a Rapid Deployment environment adds many options to the design equation that were impracticle with manual code. Adding drill-downs, pop-up selections or multiple pages to screens are incredibly simple to accomplish. Collaborating with end-users is no-longer a frustrating process with Nucleus.. You can often prototype the guts of an application in a few minutes to demonstrate the look and feel and then add the bells and whistles as the user-population and the programming group firm up the design concepts. There is an easy transition path to GUI in Nucleus without a steep learning curve - a couple of days of instruction and you can be well on your way to being very comfortable developing within the environment. An integrated environment exists within Nucleus that doesn't require any knowledge of objects or properties and allows you to do your development and maintenance in ways that are intuitive to a pick programmer. If you want or need to integrate ActiveX objects, java script or C#, those controls can be easily integrated. Nucleus supports GUI, green-screen, character based color as well as WEB support using the same rule-sets, greatly reducing support effort and ensuring data consistency. BTW, Nucleus supports most multi-dimensional environments and allows an application created in say Universe or UniData (following simple rules), to be ported without effort to another environment such as jBASE, D3, UniVision, etc with only a re-compile. There is a migration outline available on our website: http://www.binarystar.com/MigrationFromLegacyToNucleus.html If you (or anyone else) would like to see how it works, click here: http://www.binarystar.com/contact.html
RE: UniObjects: Executing a Command on a SaveList
I think there was a thread a while back about this. There was a problem with stacking the commands (but you can try that). The other things you can do is to put them into a paragraph and run the paragraph or write a basic routine to process a list of commands. You may also want to use the REQUIRE.SELECT keyword if you are doing a select or list hth -- Colin Alfke Calgary, Alberta Canada Just because something isn't broken doesn't mean that you can't fix it Stu Pickles -Original Message- From: Martin Scholl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 8:37 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: UniObjects: Executing a Command on a SaveList I am stuck with the following problem: I have a bunch of record Ids, that I need to sort. I thought of Creating a SaveList, Then GetList and executing a command. The problem I have is that the command works on the whole file and not on the few records in the SaveList. How can I make sure that I only work with the record Ids that I want to sort? Martin Scholl -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: UniObjects: Executing a Command on a SaveList
I solved it. I just didn't follow the syntax. Here some snipptets 'Instantiate the List Object Set pSelectlist = UniSession.SelectList(0) 'associating the record is which are attributes of a dynamic Array 'Claims' pSelectlist.FormList (Claims) 'Saving the List pSelectlist.SaveList (CLAIMS) 'Retrieving the list and making it the active Select List pSelectlist.GetList (CLAIMS) 'Execute sort command on this select list Set pCommand = UniDataDB.Command pCommand.Text = SELECT CLAIMS BY CLAIM_TYPE BY SENDER_ID BY BILLPROV_ID BY SUBMITTER_ID BY SUBSCRIBER_ID BY PATIENT_ID pCommand.Exec If pCommand.Error = UVE_NOERROR Then 'Getting the new sorted List Set pSelectlist = UniDataDB.SelectList(0) Martin Scholl President Martin Scholl Consulting, Inc. http://www.hipaasuite.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 18910 New Hampshire Ave Brinklow, MD 20862 301-924-5537 Phone 301-570-0139 Fax 301-613-9572 Cell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Martin Scholl Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 10:37 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: UniObjects: Executing a Command on a SaveList I am stuck with the following problem: I have a bunch of record Ids, that I need to sort. I thought of Creating a SaveList, Then GetList and executing a command. The problem I have is that the command works on the whole file and not on the few records in the SaveList. How can I make sure that I only work with the record Ids that I want to sort? Martin Scholl President Martin Scholl Consulting, Inc. http://www.hipaasuite.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 18910 New Hampshire Ave Brinklow, MD 20862 301-924-5537 Phone 301-570-0139 Fax 301-613-9572 Cell -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Uniobjects Asp
I wander if UD 6.1 will be a requirement to use UO.NET? For example would OU.NET run on UD 5.2? snip I heard from a reliable source at IBM that UO.NET will be released with UniData 6.1 targeted for 6/30/04. Sometime after that release, Q3 timeframe, for Universe. rudy snip -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Uniobjects Asp
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/27/2004 1:05:29 PM From documentation I have seen Uniobjects.net will be thread safe, however I have not heard anything recently regarding a release date. Does anyone have any update on when this will be available? Greg From the White paper: Using IBM U2 and Microsoft .NET at http://www-306.ibm.com/software/data/u2/index.html: A new API, UniObjects for .NET, is under development. It will be written in C# and serve as a managed interface for UniData and UniVerse. We expect to release this concurrently with UniData 6.1, targeted for mid-2004. The addition of support for connection pooling is being considered for a future UniData release, pending finalization of pricing and packaging. UniObjects for .NET will be available in the releases of UniVerse available around the same timeframe. The document is dated December 2003. I don't know if IBM has made any more precise statements about release dates for UniData 6.1 or UniObjects for .NET. Karjala snip Does anyone know if Uniobjects.net will be thread safe ? snip thx, rudy -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Uniobjects Asp
Nick, Depends on how you far you need to scale, and if you are looking to support large numbers of users. UniObjects is NOT thread safe, but you can roll your own connection pooling - ie. write your logic into a DLL that maintains a series of connections with some form of semaphoring, and call that from your ASP pages rather than calling UniObjects directly. There's something to be said for keeping your logic in a DLL anyway as ASP coding tends to fragment quite highly, and complex pages can be more of a pain to maintain than a complex DLL! Otherwise, your best bet is to use RedBack, which is designed explicitly to support the ASP model, and provides connection pooling and thread safety with a pretty decent level of performance and high scalability. We have put together a number of applications running across RedBack supporting large numbers of users for a local government, including call centres, billing and other fairly intensive applications and performance has not been an issue. Regards, Brian Leach -Original Message- From: Cooper, Rudy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 February 2004 21:46 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Uniobjects Asp Hello Everyone, I have a requirement to use Asp with Uniobjects. Our OS is W2K and the backend is UV 10.0.10. I was thinking about creating ActiveX Dll's in VB6 that would do things like create a UV session, instantiate subr object, etc. I read in the u2-users list archive something to the effect of Uniobjects not being thread safe. Does that still hold true ? If so how do you make it thread safe ? thx, rudy -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users This correspondence is confidential and is solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose, copy, distribute or retain this message or any part of it. If you are not the intended recipient please delete this correspondence from your system and notify the sender immediately. No warranty is given that this correspondence is free from any virus. In keeping with good computer practice, you should ensure that it is actually virus free. E-mail messages may be subject to delays, non-delivery and unauthorised alterations therefore, information expressed in this message is not given or endorsed by Open and Direct Group Limited unless otherwise notified by our duly authorised representative independent of this message. Open and Direct Group Limited is a limited company registered in United Kingdom under number 4390810 whose registered office is at 10 Norwich Street, London, EC4A 1BD -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ __ This email was checked by MessageLabs SkyScan before entering Microgen. This email was checked on leaving Microgen for viruses, similar malicious code and inappropriate content by MessageLabs SkyScan. DISCLAIMER This email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information. In the event of any technical difficulty with this email, please contact the sender or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Microgen Information Management Solutions http://www.microgen.co.uk -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Uniobjects Asp
Does anyone know if Uniobjects.net will be thread safe ? thx, rudy From: Cooper, Rudy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 February 2004 21:46 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Uniobjects Asp I have a requirement to use Asp with Uniobjects. Our OS is W2K and the backend is UV 10.0.10. I was thinking about creating ActiveX Dll's in VB6 that would do things like create a UV session, instantiate subr object, etc. I read in the u2-users list archive something to the effect of Uniobjects not being thread safe. Does that still hold true ? Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:08:23 - From: Nick Southwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Uniobjects Asp No. Let me try and prevent the pain I had to go through. We avoided Uniobjects because by design its use is for client/server -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Uniobjects Asp
From documentation I have seen Uniobjects.net will be thread safe, however I have not heard anything recently regarding a release date. Does anyone have any update on when this will be available? Greg snip Does anyone know if Uniobjects.net will be thread safe ? snip thx, rudy -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Uniobjects Asp
Sounds like a Redback task. Fully thread safe, and totally scalable. Mike R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cooper, Rudy Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 4:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Uniobjects Asp Hello Everyone, I have a requirement to use Asp with Uniobjects. Our OS is W2K and the backend is UV 10.0.10. I was thinking about creating ActiveX Dll's in VB6 that would do things like create a UV session, instantiate subr object, etc. I read in the u2-users list archive something to the effect of Uniobjects not being thread safe. Does that still hold true ? If so how do you make it thread safe ? thx, rudy -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
