Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3
We're using Unidata 6.1 and I don't see us upgrading any time soon. Will V3 of the DBTools work for us? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Daniel McGrath Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:14 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 Sunny, download the U2 DBTools package here: http://www.rocketsoftware.com/u2/resources/downloads -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Sunny Matharoo Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:52 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 Where can we get V3 as everywhere it is V1.2.4 BDT Sunny -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Daniel McGrath Sent: 16 March 2012 15:11 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 Hi Symeon, This means that BDT doesn't have permission to update XTOOLSUB in $UDTHOME/sys/SYS_BP. All of our eclipse tools will try to automatically update XTOOLSUB to make them easier to use with earlier U2 databases. You can try setting up a connection using a user that has sufficient privileges or you can follow the old process using the public technote for updating XTOOLSUB. Engineering has also already addressed the error message to make it more meaningful in the next release. Regards, Dan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 5:55 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 Just upgraded to v3 - I get this error whern connecting to my udt 7.2. Build: (3865) system on redhat Base64 decoding on server failed. Status of ENCODE=4 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:u2-users-bounces@listserver. u2ug.org> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]<mailto:[mailto:u2-users-bo un...@listserver.u2ug.org]> On Behalf Of Daniel McGrath Sent: 15 March 2012 16:59 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 The in-product documentation for BDT has also undergone a revamp which will be available the upcoming release. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:u2-users-bounces@listserver. u2ug.org> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]<mailto:[mailto:u2-users-bo un...@listserver.u2ug.org]> On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:40 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 There is a Rocket BDT manual available for download. --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:u2-users-bounces@listserver. u2ug.org> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]<mailto:[mailto:u2-users-bo un...@listserver.u2ug.org]> On Behalf Of Bobby Worley Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:30 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 I would like to live in this tool all day long. I have experimented with BDT some. I just installed BDT v3.0.0 so I'm anxious to learn what is new about it. I'm having to be able to be productive quickly, so I find myself reverting back to WED when I have to get something done quick. It would be helpful if there is an online tutorial, so I could transition to BDT full time. ? (I'm only interesting in learning about BDT, not any other alterative EDIs at this time, thanks) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:u2-users-bounces@listserver. u2ug.org> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]<mailto:[mailto:u2-users-bo un...@listserver.u2ug.org]> On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 2:46 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 The new BDT is version 3.0.0. Considering that I live in this tool almost all day long, I appreciate Rocket's updating it very much indeed. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2113/4871 - Release Date: 03/14/12 ___ U2-User
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3
Thanks Daniel -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Daniel McGrath Sent: 16 March 2012 16:14 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 Sunny, download the U2 DBTools package here: http://www.rocketsoftware.com/u2/resources/downloads -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Sunny Matharoo Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:52 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 Where can we get V3 as everywhere it is V1.2.4 BDT Sunny -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Daniel McGrath Sent: 16 March 2012 15:11 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 Hi Symeon, This means that BDT doesn't have permission to update XTOOLSUB in $UDTHOME/sys/SYS_BP. All of our eclipse tools will try to automatically update XTOOLSUB to make them easier to use with earlier U2 databases. You can try setting up a connection using a user that has sufficient privileges or you can follow the old process using the public technote for updating XTOOLSUB. Engineering has also already addressed the error message to make it more meaningful in the next release. Regards, Dan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 5:55 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 Just upgraded to v3 - I get this error whern connecting to my udt 7.2. Build: (3865) system on redhat Base64 decoding on server failed. Status of ENCODE=4 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:u2-users-bounces@listserver. u2ug.org> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]<mailto:[mailto:u2-users-bo un...@listserver.u2ug.org]> On Behalf Of Daniel McGrath Sent: 15 March 2012 16:59 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 The in-product documentation for BDT has also undergone a revamp which will be available the upcoming release. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:u2-users-bounces@listserver. u2ug.org> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]<mailto:[mailto:u2-users-bo un...@listserver.u2ug.org]> On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:40 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 There is a Rocket BDT manual available for download. --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:u2-users-bounces@listserver. u2ug.org> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]<mailto:[mailto:u2-users-bo un...@listserver.u2ug.org]> On Behalf Of Bobby Worley Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:30 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 I would like to live in this tool all day long. I have experimented with BDT some. I just installed BDT v3.0.0 so I'm anxious to learn what is new about it. I'm having to be able to be productive quickly, so I find myself reverting back to WED when I have to get something done quick. It would be helpful if there is an online tutorial, so I could transition to BDT full time. ? (I'm only interesting in learning about BDT, not any other alterative EDIs at this time, thanks) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:u2-users-bounces@listserver. u2ug.org> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]<mailto:[mailto:u2-users-bo un...@listserver.u2ug.org]> On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 2:46 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 The new BDT is version 3.0.0. Considering that I live in this tool almost all day long, I appreciate Rocket's updating it very much indeed. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2113/4871 - Release Date: 03/14/12 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org> http://listserver.
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3
Thanks Dan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Daniel McGrath Sent: 16 March 2012 15:11 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 Hi Symeon, This means that BDT doesn't have permission to update XTOOLSUB in $UDTHOME/sys/SYS_BP. All of our eclipse tools will try to automatically update XTOOLSUB to make them easier to use with earlier U2 databases. You can try setting up a connection using a user that has sufficient privileges or you can follow the old process using the public technote for updating XTOOLSUB. Engineering has also already addressed the error message to make it more meaningful in the next release. Regards, Dan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 5:55 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 Just upgraded to v3 - I get this error whern connecting to my udt 7.2. Build: (3865) system on redhat Base64 decoding on server failed. Status of ENCODE=4 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:u2-users-bounces@listserver.u2ug .org> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]<mailto:[mailto:u2-users-bounce s...@listserver.u2ug.org]> On Behalf Of Daniel McGrath Sent: 15 March 2012 16:59 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 The in-product documentation for BDT has also undergone a revamp which will be available the upcoming release. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:u2-users-bounces@listserver.u2ug .org> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]<mailto:[mailto:u2-users-bounce s...@listserver.u2ug.org]> On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:40 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 There is a Rocket BDT manual available for download. --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:u2-users-bounces@listserver.u2ug .org> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]<mailto:[mailto:u2-users-bounce s...@listserver.u2ug.org]> On Behalf Of Bobby Worley Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:30 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 I would like to live in this tool all day long. I have experimented with BDT some. I just installed BDT v3.0.0 so I'm anxious to learn what is new about it. I'm having to be able to be productive quickly, so I find myself reverting back to WED when I have to get something done quick. It would be helpful if there is an online tutorial, so I could transition to BDT full time. ? (I'm only interesting in learning about BDT, not any other alterative EDIs at this time, thanks) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:u2-users-bounces@listserver.u2ug .org> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]<mailto:[mailto:u2-users-bounce s...@listserver.u2ug.org]> On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 2:46 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 The new BDT is version 3.0.0. Considering that I live in this tool almost all day long, I appreciate Rocket's updating it very much indeed. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2113/4871 - Release Date: 03/14/12 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2113/4873 - Release Date: 03/15/12 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3
Sunny, download the U2 DBTools package here: http://www.rocketsoftware.com/u2/resources/downloads -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Sunny Matharoo Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:52 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 Where can we get V3 as everywhere it is V1.2.4 BDT Sunny -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Daniel McGrath Sent: 16 March 2012 15:11 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 Hi Symeon, This means that BDT doesn't have permission to update XTOOLSUB in $UDTHOME/sys/SYS_BP. All of our eclipse tools will try to automatically update XTOOLSUB to make them easier to use with earlier U2 databases. You can try setting up a connection using a user that has sufficient privileges or you can follow the old process using the public technote for updating XTOOLSUB. Engineering has also already addressed the error message to make it more meaningful in the next release. Regards, Dan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 5:55 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 Just upgraded to v3 - I get this error whern connecting to my udt 7.2. Build: (3865) system on redhat Base64 decoding on server failed. Status of ENCODE=4 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:u2-users-bounces@listserver. u2ug.org> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]<mailto:[mailto:u2-users-bo un...@listserver.u2ug.org]> On Behalf Of Daniel McGrath Sent: 15 March 2012 16:59 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 The in-product documentation for BDT has also undergone a revamp which will be available the upcoming release. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:u2-users-bounces@listserver. u2ug.org> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]<mailto:[mailto:u2-users-bo un...@listserver.u2ug.org]> On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:40 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 There is a Rocket BDT manual available for download. --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:u2-users-bounces@listserver. u2ug.org> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]<mailto:[mailto:u2-users-bo un...@listserver.u2ug.org]> On Behalf Of Bobby Worley Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:30 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 I would like to live in this tool all day long. I have experimented with BDT some. I just installed BDT v3.0.0 so I'm anxious to learn what is new about it. I'm having to be able to be productive quickly, so I find myself reverting back to WED when I have to get something done quick. It would be helpful if there is an online tutorial, so I could transition to BDT full time. ? (I'm only interesting in learning about BDT, not any other alterative EDIs at this time, thanks) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:u2-users-bounces@listserver. u2ug.org> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]<mailto:[mailto:u2-users-bo un...@listserver.u2ug.org]> On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 2:46 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 The new BDT is version 3.0.0. Considering that I live in this tool almost all day long, I appreciate Rocket's updating it very much indeed. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2113/4871 - Release Date: 03/14/12 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3
Where can we get V3 as everywhere it is V1.2.4 BDT Sunny -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Daniel McGrath Sent: 16 March 2012 15:11 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 Hi Symeon, This means that BDT doesn't have permission to update XTOOLSUB in $UDTHOME/sys/SYS_BP. All of our eclipse tools will try to automatically update XTOOLSUB to make them easier to use with earlier U2 databases. You can try setting up a connection using a user that has sufficient privileges or you can follow the old process using the public technote for updating XTOOLSUB. Engineering has also already addressed the error message to make it more meaningful in the next release. Regards, Dan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 5:55 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 Just upgraded to v3 - I get this error whern connecting to my udt 7.2. Build: (3865) system on redhat Base64 decoding on server failed. Status of ENCODE=4 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:u2-users-bounces@listserver. u2ug.org> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]<mailto:[mailto:u2-users-bo un...@listserver.u2ug.org]> On Behalf Of Daniel McGrath Sent: 15 March 2012 16:59 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 The in-product documentation for BDT has also undergone a revamp which will be available the upcoming release. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:u2-users-bounces@listserver. u2ug.org> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]<mailto:[mailto:u2-users-bo un...@listserver.u2ug.org]> On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:40 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 There is a Rocket BDT manual available for download. --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:u2-users-bounces@listserver. u2ug.org> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]<mailto:[mailto:u2-users-bo un...@listserver.u2ug.org]> On Behalf Of Bobby Worley Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:30 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 I would like to live in this tool all day long. I have experimented with BDT some. I just installed BDT v3.0.0 so I'm anxious to learn what is new about it. I'm having to be able to be productive quickly, so I find myself reverting back to WED when I have to get something done quick. It would be helpful if there is an online tutorial, so I could transition to BDT full time. ? (I'm only interesting in learning about BDT, not any other alterative EDIs at this time, thanks) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:u2-users-bounces@listserver. u2ug.org> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]<mailto:[mailto:u2-users-bo un...@listserver.u2ug.org]> On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 2:46 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 The new BDT is version 3.0.0. Considering that I live in this tool almost all day long, I appreciate Rocket's updating it very much indeed. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2113/4871 - Release Date: 03/14/12 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3
Hi Symeon, This means that BDT doesn't have permission to update XTOOLSUB in $UDTHOME/sys/SYS_BP. All of our eclipse tools will try to automatically update XTOOLSUB to make them easier to use with earlier U2 databases. You can try setting up a connection using a user that has sufficient privileges or you can follow the old process using the public technote for updating XTOOLSUB. Engineering has also already addressed the error message to make it more meaningful in the next release. Regards, Dan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 5:55 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 Just upgraded to v3 - I get this error whern connecting to my udt 7.2. Build: (3865) system on redhat Base64 decoding on server failed. Status of ENCODE=4 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]<mailto:[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]> On Behalf Of Daniel McGrath Sent: 15 March 2012 16:59 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 The in-product documentation for BDT has also undergone a revamp which will be available the upcoming release. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]<mailto:[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]> On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:40 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 There is a Rocket BDT manual available for download. --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]<mailto:[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]> On Behalf Of Bobby Worley Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:30 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 I would like to live in this tool all day long. I have experimented with BDT some. I just installed BDT v3.0.0 so I'm anxious to learn what is new about it. I'm having to be able to be productive quickly, so I find myself reverting back to WED when I have to get something done quick. It would be helpful if there is an online tutorial, so I could transition to BDT full time. ? (I'm only interesting in learning about BDT, not any other alterative EDIs at this time, thanks) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]<mailto:[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]> On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 2:46 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 The new BDT is version 3.0.0. Considering that I live in this tool almost all day long, I appreciate Rocket's updating it very much indeed. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2113/4871 - Release Date: 03/14/12 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org<mailto:U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3
Just upgraded to v3 - I get this error whern connecting to my udt 7.2. Build: (3865) system on redhat Base64 decoding on server failed. Status of ENCODE=4 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Daniel McGrath Sent: 15 March 2012 16:59 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 The in-product documentation for BDT has also undergone a revamp which will be available the upcoming release. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:40 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 There is a Rocket BDT manual available for download. --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bobby Worley Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:30 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 I would like to live in this tool all day long. I have experimented with BDT some. I just installed BDT v3.0.0 so I'm anxious to learn what is new about it. I'm having to be able to be productive quickly, so I find myself reverting back to WED when I have to get something done quick. It would be helpful if there is an online tutorial, so I could transition to BDT full time. ? (I'm only interesting in learning about BDT, not any other alterative EDIs at this time, thanks) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 2:46 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 The new BDT is version 3.0.0. Considering that I live in this tool almost all day long, I appreciate Rocket's updating it very much indeed. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2113/4871 - Release Date: 03/14/12 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3
The in-product documentation for BDT has also undergone a revamp which will be available the upcoming release. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:40 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 There is a Rocket BDT manual available for download. --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bobby Worley Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:30 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 I would like to live in this tool all day long. I have experimented with BDT some. I just installed BDT v3.0.0 so I'm anxious to learn what is new about it. I'm having to be able to be productive quickly, so I find myself reverting back to WED when I have to get something done quick. It would be helpful if there is an online tutorial, so I could transition to BDT full time. ? (I'm only interesting in learning about BDT, not any other alterative EDIs at this time, thanks) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 2:46 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 The new BDT is version 3.0.0. Considering that I live in this tool almost all day long, I appreciate Rocket's updating it very much indeed. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3
There is a Rocket BDT manual available for download. --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bobby Worley Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:30 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 I would like to live in this tool all day long. I have experimented with BDT some. I just installed BDT v3.0.0 so I'm anxious to learn what is new about it. I'm having to be able to be productive quickly, so I find myself reverting back to WED when I have to get something done quick. It would be helpful if there is an online tutorial, so I could transition to BDT full time. ? (I'm only interesting in learning about BDT, not any other alterative EDIs at this time, thanks) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 2:46 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 The new BDT is version 3.0.0. Considering that I live in this tool almost all day long, I appreciate Rocket's updating it very much indeed. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3
I would like to live in this tool all day long. I have experimented with BDT some. I just installed BDT v3.0.0 so I'm anxious to learn what is new about it. I'm having to be able to be productive quickly, so I find myself reverting back to WED when I have to get something done quick. It would be helpful if there is an online tutorial, so I could transition to BDT full time. ? (I'm only interesting in learning about BDT, not any other alterative EDIs at this time, thanks) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 2:46 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3 The new BDT is version 3.0.0. Considering that I live in this tool almost all day long, I appreciate Rocket's updating it very much indeed. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
Or the new Raspberry Pi. (www.raspberrypi.org) Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: 13 March 2012 22:31 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Maybe some tin foil and a few hairpins? -Original Message- From: Wols Lists To: u2-users Sent: Tue, Mar 13, 2012 3:27 pm Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT On 12/03/12 21:58, Symeon Breen wrote: Tut linux desktop - ahh that's popular ;) entoo ... the "assemble it yourself" version. But it teaches me a fair bit about system administration - especially very time an upgrade breaks something :-) Not helped by the fact my hardware is slightly flaky - I suspect the ower supply can't deliver the required volts/amps properly. Cheers, ol __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
Maybe some tin foil and a few hairpins? -Original Message- From: Wols Lists To: u2-users Sent: Tue, Mar 13, 2012 3:27 pm Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT On 12/03/12 21:58, Symeon Breen wrote: Tut linux desktop - ahh that's popular ;) entoo ... the "assemble it yourself" version. But it teaches me a fair bit about system administration - especially very time an upgrade breaks something :-) Not helped by the fact my hardware is slightly flaky - I suspect the ower supply can't deliver the required volts/amps properly. Cheers, ol __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
On 12/03/12 21:58, Symeon Breen wrote: > Tut linux desktop - ahh that's popular ;) > Gentoo ... the "assemble it yourself" version. But it teaches me a fair bit about system administration - especially every time an upgrade breaks something :-) Not helped by the fact my hardware is slightly flaky - I suspect the power supply can't deliver the required volts/amps properly. Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
I don't think I've ever heard anyone who uses Eclipse talk about how much they like it, yet it has still managed to become a pervasive IDE. I actually do use as my main IDE in the form of IBM's Rational Application Developer for WebSphere. I've never been a fan of the cluttered interface, but its tight integration with WebSphere App Server and access to IBM's tech support outweigh the negatives. I suspect IBM's commercialization and support of Eclipse probably has a lot to do with its pervasiveness. It's probably going to be a known quantity for a lot of developers who work at large IBM shops. Rocket's choice may be a sensible one if they aim to make U2 more appealing to larger companies. -John -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 2:39 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Well said Tony - But I just wish they chose something other than eclipse as the base. Just about every programmer I know (java,.net,web,php etc) has eclipse installed yet not one of them uses it as their main ide. Things like VS, netbeans, inteliJ make much more sense. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
On 03/12/2012 05:58 PM, Symeon Breen wrote: Tut linux desktop - ahh that's popular ;) It's popular with me! Art ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
I use Eclipse on my Mac to do iPhone/iPad development. (you can't deploy native iPhone apps without a Mac) And it's just as ugly on there - though strangely it's the only thing that runs quicker on the Mac than on my (identically spec'ed but *ever* so much faster) Windows 7 Vaio. I'm sure Doug will disagree, but I find some of the Eclipse UI choices baffling. Maybe it's just the tools I'm using but there seems to be a tendency to try to shoehorn too many different plug-ins and languages under the same limited menu options/choices when they are not really doing the same thing underneath. For a single tool (like Doug's editor) I'm sure it's great. But as an all-things-to-all-men (and women) central IDE for everything you might ever want to use (and probably won't) I wonder if it's a case of too many cooks. You can get lost in there. And before anyone chimes in, yes - I know you can create your own perspectives to manage these. I've got better things to do. Somehow, VS seems to manage it better - there's less of an attempt to force homogeneity onto the various plug-ins and individual features, even though they sit in the same framework. Though after using their design services to build my new screen designer, it is a coding and documentation nightmare. Perhaps that's a good thing! Each to their own. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wols Lists Sent: 12 March 2012 21:57 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT On 12/03/12 21:38, Symeon Breen wrote: > Well said Tony - But I just wish they chose something other than eclipse as > the base. Just about every programmer I know (java,.net,web,php etc) has > eclipse installed yet not one of them uses it as their main ide. Things like > VS, netbeans, inteliJ make much more sense. Dunno about the others, but the point of Eclipse is that it's cross-platform. I guess VS is Windows-only. Netbeans and InteliJ are they cross-platform? VS would be useless for me - I run a linux desktop. Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
Tut linux desktop - ahh that's popular ;) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wols Lists Sent: 12 March 2012 21:57 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT On 12/03/12 21:38, Symeon Breen wrote: > Well said Tony - But I just wish they chose something other than > eclipse as the base. Just about every programmer I know > (java,.net,web,php etc) has eclipse installed yet not one of them uses > it as their main ide. Things like VS, netbeans, inteliJ make much more sense. Dunno about the others, but the point of Eclipse is that it's cross-platform. I guess VS is Windows-only. Netbeans and InteliJ are they cross-platform? VS would be useless for me - I run a linux desktop. Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2113/4866 - Release Date: 03/12/12 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
On 12/03/12 21:38, Symeon Breen wrote: > Well said Tony - But I just wish they chose something other than eclipse as > the base. Just about every programmer I know (java,.net,web,php etc) has > eclipse installed yet not one of them uses it as their main ide. Things like > VS, netbeans, inteliJ make much more sense. Dunno about the others, but the point of Eclipse is that it's cross-platform. I guess VS is Windows-only. Netbeans and InteliJ are they cross-platform? VS would be useless for me - I run a linux desktop. Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
Well said Tony - But I just wish they chose something other than eclipse as the base. Just about every programmer I know (java,.net,web,php etc) has eclipse installed yet not one of them uses it as their main ide. Things like VS, netbeans, inteliJ make much more sense. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: 12 March 2012 20:38 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT > From: Doug Averch > What does Eclipse bring to the table for U2 Developers? (Slightly > paraphrased). Eclipse is an IDE that has plug-ins. > Symeon Breen replied: > Much of this isn't what eclipse gives you - it is as a result of ibm/rocket > (or yours) effort in writing the extensions. > > The one thing eclipse gives is that it is an extensible IDE - but so is > inteliJ and so is Visual Studio, both of which I think are far better than > eclipse. I have bashed eclipse enough on this list before for you to > know my views on it... Following on to both of those comments... What I'm seeing in this discussion is that the concept of Eclipse being an extensible IDE is being acknowledged but largely dismissed. The software itself was never intended to be a complete package. It's not like "I downloaded Eclipse, now I can do all of this stuff". It's more like "I downloaded the main Eclipse component, now I need to add more components to that to create a toolkit that allows me to do stuff". This is the difference between freeware and commercially supported packages. With freeware you get pieces of solutions which you then assemble - you "pay" for "free" software with your time. There are companies that will aggregate pieces for you, and sell and support it as a package - this is the definition of a Linux "distro" which we've all come to appreciate. This is what Rocket does with their add-ins to some extent. U2Logic has made a business of extending Eclipse as it was designed. Visual Studio is also extensible but most developers prefer to stick closer to the defaults. I use NetBeans for PHP and Java (Android), the extensibility is very similar. The value of Eclipse is really in the ecosystem that forms around the core when a Lot of addins are provided by a vibrant developer community. The software has significant value to PHP and Java developers because other PHP and Java developers have made investments in creating that ecosystem. Our industry is still stuck in the "what does it do for me?" mode rather than "what can we do to extend the platform?". We're an industry of product users, not tool developers. In that mode the platform doesn't really have much value to the target audience. Are efforts by U2Logic and Rocket Software enough to create the ecosystem which will make the platform compelling? Doug and the U2 team sure hope so, but they're trying to do this alone and it's not quite working. They're building in components and wondering why everyone out there doesn't "get" it. Why are people still asking these questions? Hey, I've been writing addins for Microsoft Office (another extensible platform seen more as a product) for a decade, and hoping people would "get" it there too. I don't think Eclipse is going to have the same respect in this industry as it does elsewhere until the average person "gets" the concept of plugins, addons, modules, and extensibility. (And per my recent blogs I'm hoping people will think about how they can extend Office to integrate it with their apps as well.) Pick people want everything in front of them so that they can just get on with their work, they don't want to think about what "can" be done, they just want it working now. That's hardly unreasonable but completely not in line with the modern world when the ecosystem of collaboration ultimately creates that environment where people really can just get on with their work. I think focus of tool providers needs to shift a little from "hey, we have these plugins, why don't you use them?" to "here's information on how to extend Eclipse so you can do this stuff too". If some people in the Pick market collaborate on extending Eclipse in ways that help MV developers, then we'll see more in there for "us" - just like the PHP and Java folks (and others). The tough thing about this is that everyone wants someone else to do this stuff, and usually for free. There is no motivation to create an ecosystem of helpful tools in a new world where people still confuse free/libre with free/beer. This is a separate discussion but we need to work out some way for developer/consumers in this industry to compensate other developers with something other than gratitude for making
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
> From: Doug Averch > What does Eclipse bring to the table for U2 Developers? (Slightly > paraphrased). Eclipse is an IDE that has plug-ins. > Symeon Breen replied: > Much of this isn't what eclipse gives you - it is as a result of ibm/rocket > (or yours) effort in writing the extensions. > > The one thing eclipse gives is that it is an extensible IDE - but so is > inteliJ and so is Visual Studio, both of which I think are far better than > eclipse. I have bashed eclipse enough on this list before for you to > know my views on it... Following on to both of those comments... What I'm seeing in this discussion is that the concept of Eclipse being an extensible IDE is being acknowledged but largely dismissed. The software itself was never intended to be a complete package. It's not like "I downloaded Eclipse, now I can do all of this stuff". It's more like "I downloaded the main Eclipse component, now I need to add more components to that to create a toolkit that allows me to do stuff". This is the difference between freeware and commercially supported packages. With freeware you get pieces of solutions which you then assemble - you "pay" for "free" software with your time. There are companies that will aggregate pieces for you, and sell and support it as a package - this is the definition of a Linux "distro" which we've all come to appreciate. This is what Rocket does with their add-ins to some extent. U2Logic has made a business of extending Eclipse as it was designed. Visual Studio is also extensible but most developers prefer to stick closer to the defaults. I use NetBeans for PHP and Java (Android), the extensibility is very similar. The value of Eclipse is really in the ecosystem that forms around the core when a Lot of addins are provided by a vibrant developer community. The software has significant value to PHP and Java developers because other PHP and Java developers have made investments in creating that ecosystem. Our industry is still stuck in the "what does it do for me?" mode rather than "what can we do to extend the platform?". We're an industry of product users, not tool developers. In that mode the platform doesn't really have much value to the target audience. Are efforts by U2Logic and Rocket Software enough to create the ecosystem which will make the platform compelling? Doug and the U2 team sure hope so, but they're trying to do this alone and it's not quite working. They're building in components and wondering why everyone out there doesn't "get" it. Why are people still asking these questions? Hey, I've been writing addins for Microsoft Office (another extensible platform seen more as a product) for a decade, and hoping people would "get" it there too. I don't think Eclipse is going to have the same respect in this industry as it does elsewhere until the average person "gets" the concept of plugins, addons, modules, and extensibility. (And per my recent blogs I'm hoping people will think about how they can extend Office to integrate it with their apps as well.) Pick people want everything in front of them so that they can just get on with their work, they don't want to think about what "can" be done, they just want it working now. That's hardly unreasonable but completely not in line with the modern world when the ecosystem of collaboration ultimately creates that environment where people really can just get on with their work. I think focus of tool providers needs to shift a little from "hey, we have these plugins, why don't you use them?" to "here's information on how to extend Eclipse so you can do this stuff too". If some people in the Pick market collaborate on extending Eclipse in ways that help MV developers, then we'll see more in there for "us" - just like the PHP and Java folks (and others). The tough thing about this is that everyone wants someone else to do this stuff, and usually for free. There is no motivation to create an ecosystem of helpful tools in a new world where people still confuse free/libre with free/beer. This is a separate discussion but we need to work out some way for developer/consumers in this industry to compensate other developers with something other than gratitude for making their daily lives a little better. (Though heck we don't even have a strong MV FOSS ecosystem, so we're hardly even at the point of people expressing gratitude for freeware.) This is exactly what the mobile app markets are all about with 49cent and 99cent apps - sell a million of those and you don't need to sell for 29.99 or 799.99 per unit. This is Apple's core model for various product lines, and Microsoft is going this direction with Windows8 as well. The second generation of the extensibility model is upon us and Pick people are still not applying the model to our industry. Adapt or die, folks. Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com Nebula R&D sells mv.NET and other Pick/MultiValue products Worldwide, and provides re
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
Bill: Consider opening a tech support incident with Rocket. --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Bill: I'm glad you love the tool. I may too, but wonder why I can't open it, get access to a 'Q' pointer from one account to the program files in another account, and edit the program. I also wondered why I couldn't edit a dictionary item nor why the connection timed out, which crashed my session. Then again, I've been known to require a much too simple environment, accessing multiple accounts and records. :-) Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
What got me going with BDT was... I was developing in Flex. Adobe had two ways to do Flex via Flash Builder. At first I ran Flash Builder as an Eclipse plug-in. There were some quirks with the plug in and after several months of use, I switched over to the canned build, that is, Adobe's bona fide Flash Builder launched from a desktop icon. Right about then Rocket released the first BDT. Of course, Eclipse is an industry standard. While the learning curve for first-time Eclipse back then users was frustrating... that hundreds of companies... among them Rocket, Adobe and u2Logic... build tools using Eclipse... there is hardly any controversy. --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 3:00 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Bill I'd like to know what particular ability made you want to use BDT -Original Message- From: Bobby Worley To: U2 Users List Sent: Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:56 am Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Is the "new" BDT newer than version 1.2.4 ?? that's what I have had ver a year... -Original Message- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman ent: Monday, March 12, 2012 1:06 PM o: U2 Users List ubject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT I was glad to learn about the new BDT. The BDT install was painless and BDT seems to work well. --Bill __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
Bill: I'm glad you love the tool. I may too, but wonder why I can't open it, get access to a 'Q' pointer from one account to the program files in another account, and edit the program. I also wondered why I couldn't edit a dictionary item nor why the connection timed out, which crashed my session. Then again, I've been known to require a much too simple environment, accessing multiple accounts and records. :-) Bill - Original Message - *From:* bi...@hkmetalcraft.com *To:* U2 Users List *Date:* 3/12/2012 11:05 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] New U2 BDT I was glad to learn about the new BDT. The BDT install was painless and BDT seems to work well. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT - V3
The new BDT is version 3.0.0. Considering that I live in this tool almost all day long, I appreciate Rocket's updating it very much indeed. --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bobby Worley Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 2:56 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Is the "new" BDT newer than version 1.2.4 ?? that's what I have had over a year... -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 1:06 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT I was glad to learn about the new BDT. The BDT install was painless and BDT seems to work well. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
Yes, The latest version was released this January (3.0.0) and can be found in the U2 DBTools download from our website under Resources->Downloads Regards, Dan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bobby Worley Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 12:56 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Is the "new" BDT newer than version 1.2.4 ?? that's what I have had over a year... -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 1:06 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT I was glad to learn about the new BDT. The BDT install was painless and BDT seems to work well. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
Bill I'd like to know what particular ability made you want to use BDT -Original Message- From: Bobby Worley To: U2 Users List Sent: Mon, Mar 12, 2012 11:56 am Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Is the "new" BDT newer than version 1.2.4 ?? that's what I have had ver a year... -Original Message- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman ent: Monday, March 12, 2012 1:06 PM o: U2 Users List ubject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT I was glad to learn about the new BDT. The BDT install was painless and BDT seems to work well. --Bill __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
Is the "new" BDT newer than version 1.2.4 ?? that's what I have had over a year... -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 1:06 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT I was glad to learn about the new BDT. The BDT install was painless and BDT seems to work well. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
I was glad to learn about the new BDT. The BDT install was painless and BDT seems to work well. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
Much of this isn't what eclipse gives you - it is as a result of ibm/rocket (or yours) effort in writing the extensions. The one thing eclipse gives is that it is an extensible IDE - but so is inteliJ and so is Visual Studio, both of which I think are far better than eclipse. I have bashed eclipse enough on this list before for you to know my views on it... -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Doug Averch Sent: 11 March 2012 17:50 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT What does Eclipse bring to the table for U2 Developers? (Slightly paraphrased). Eclipse is an IDE that has plug-ins. These plug-ins can do many things: 1) Editing programs, dictionaries and data 2) Version control using standards like CVS, SVN, GIT, Perforce, & Team Foundation 2) Resizing database files 3) Installer for database files, dictionaries, procs, paragraphs, and programs. 4) Web Developer 5) U2 Administrator functions 6) Other plug-ins for languages like PHP, C++, C, and many more. In addition to those plug-ins, Eclipse can be leveraged to do everything you can do from TCL/ECL. 1) Copy and Paste that is thousand times faster than COPY 2) Creating files, programs, dictionaries, procs, and paragraphs 3) Renaming files, programs, dictionaries, procs, and paragraphs 4) Deleting files, programs, dictionaries, procs, and paragraphs 5) Windows like explorer to see all of files in account instead of LISTFL 6) Ability to filter the explorer to see only the files you want 6) Ability to copy from U2 Databases to local for Version Control Miscellaneous: 1) IDE interface like Visual Studio and others 2) Learning curve is a few days to several weeks depending on prior IDE experience 3) Local history for all editor changes 4) Ability to have several accounts open at once 5) Built-in compare editor 6) Built-in search engine instead of ESEARCH There is real power, efficiency that can be gained from an Eclipse IDE. I've been using Eclipse IDE since 2004 and cannot believe what a better environment I'm in. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com "XLr8Editor for U2 that works, period." ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2113/4864 - Release Date: 03/11/12 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
Hi Will Eclipse is the same interface for the U2 Web Services, the U2 Restful Services, the U2 xml tools, the U2 EDA tools, U2 Web Developer. It is a common interface for the range of U2 products, not just BDT. It is an IDE used by other technology companies to host their tools. It also has interfaces for other products. Even Microsoft has an interface for Eclipse tools to integrate with Azure cloud services. Eclipse also runs on Apple's Macintosh. With a growing base in that market, Rocket can provide tools for developers who prefer to work in that environment. David Jordan ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
What does Eclipse bring to the table for U2 Developers? (Slightly paraphrased). Eclipse is an IDE that has plug-ins. These plug-ins can do many things: 1) Editing programs, dictionaries and data 2) Version control using standards like CVS, SVN, GIT, Perforce, & Team Foundation 2) Resizing database files 3) Installer for database files, dictionaries, procs, paragraphs, and programs. 4) Web Developer 5) U2 Administrator functions 6) Other plug-ins for languages like PHP, C++, C, and many more. In addition to those plug-ins, Eclipse can be leveraged to do everything you can do from TCL/ECL. 1) Copy and Paste that is thousand times faster than COPY 2) Creating files, programs, dictionaries, procs, and paragraphs 3) Renaming files, programs, dictionaries, procs, and paragraphs 4) Deleting files, programs, dictionaries, procs, and paragraphs 5) Windows like explorer to see all of files in account instead of LISTFL 6) Ability to filter the explorer to see only the files you want 6) Ability to copy from U2 Databases to local for Version Control Miscellaneous: 1) IDE interface like Visual Studio and others 2) Learning curve is a few days to several weeks depending on prior IDE experience 3) Local history for all editor changes 4) Ability to have several accounts open at once 5) Built-in compare editor 6) Built-in search engine instead of ESEARCH There is real power, efficiency that can be gained from an Eclipse IDE. I've been using Eclipse IDE since 2004 and cannot believe what a better environment I'm in. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com "XLr8Editor for U2 that works, period." ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
On 11/03/12 11:57, Wjhonson wrote: > For U2 developers, what specific tool does Eclipse allow me to use, other > than BDT in general? > If the sole purpose is to allow the use of BDT for either Windows or Linux I > see a vanishingly small market for such an ability. Eclipse is a developer framework. Dunno much about it, but the big advantage it has is a LOT of people know it. It's also Free (libre) so it's easy to extend if you want to. If we want U2 to fit in well with other environments, rather than living in a silo on its own, Eclipse is a good fit. It wouldn't surprise me if lots of DB2 stuff is written in Eclipse, Oracle stuff, Java stuff, etc etc. I take your point about "not another tool for us long-suffering U2 guys to learn", but the point is this is a tool that a lot of non-U2 guys know, and we ought to know it too. Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
For U2 developers, what specific tool does Eclipse allow me to use, other than BDT in general? If the sole purpose is to allow the use of BDT for either Windows or Linux I see a vanishingly small market for such an ability. -Original Message- From: David Jordan To: U2 Users List Sent: Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:52 am Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Will I was pointing out eclipse gives the ability to run a tool on windows and linux. The alternative is that Rocket built a tool that only runs on windows. Whilst I am not particularly fond of eclipse I understand the reasoning for it. Similar reason why Doug uses it as a base for his tools. Eclipse comes from IBM and has a number of third party development tools that can interface with that environment. For U2 Developers, they have access to a free tool, the same for web developer, restful services, etc. Other environments may have attracted a charge for the base tools the environment is built. Whilst it is easy to knock a solution, the key is to provide a better alternative and at this stage I have not seen a better alternative for Rocket to base its tools on. David -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Sunday, 11 March 2012 9:49 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT What specific advantage does Eclipse give to U2 developers ? "It's a standard" doesn't really impress me, unless there is something I can use myself, today. I'm not asking what BDT gives me, what does Eclipse give me. And the ability to use BDT is not a valid argument. -Original Message- From: David Jordan To: U2 Users List Sent: Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:01 pm Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Bill Eclipse is a pain, but at the moment it provides a base that works for windows and linux offerings. It is a standard base for Rocket tools including datavu, webservices, restful servives, EDA, etc. I support David's comments that rather than putting down products, we need to work with Rocket in how to improve the products. There are many opportunities for test tools and other development tools to be integrated with BDT that could help developers productivity. However Rocket will not invest in this product if we constantly put it down. It is also something as developers should look at how they manage source code. Maybe the source code that is to be edited should be taken out of a library and stored in a development spot which would have a local directory. Whilst there is still work to go on BDT, it is an evolving product and something that makes U2 look more professional something that the community has had to battle with in the eyes of management and consultants Regards David Jordan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: Sunday, 11 March 2012 5:32 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Thanks, Doug. Not much of a tool, especially when you have to download and install all the junk that goes with it! :-( Bill - Original Message - *From:* dave...@gmail.com *To:* U2 Users List *Date:* 3/10/2012 9:55 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] New U2 BDT > Hi Bill: > > After testing BDT, I'm wrong. BDT does recognize environment variables. > However, you cannot open or edit any files that are not "DIR" files. > So you are trying to edit an LD file and it does not let you. > > I figured this out when our editor allowed editing of those files. So > there really is not a bug but a BDT feature. > > Regards, > Doug > www.u2logic.com > "XLr8Editor the other Eclipse editor" > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
Will I was pointing out eclipse gives the ability to run a tool on windows and linux. The alternative is that Rocket built a tool that only runs on windows. Whilst I am not particularly fond of eclipse I understand the reasoning for it. Similar reason why Doug uses it as a base for his tools. Eclipse comes from IBM and has a number of third party development tools that can interface with that environment. For U2 Developers, they have access to a free tool, the same for web developer, restful services, etc. Other environments may have attracted a charge for the base tools the environment is built. Whilst it is easy to knock a solution, the key is to provide a better alternative and at this stage I have not seen a better alternative for Rocket to base its tools on. David -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Sunday, 11 March 2012 9:49 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT What specific advantage does Eclipse give to U2 developers ? "It's a standard" doesn't really impress me, unless there is something I can use myself, today. I'm not asking what BDT gives me, what does Eclipse give me. And the ability to use BDT is not a valid argument. -Original Message- From: David Jordan To: U2 Users List Sent: Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:01 pm Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Bill Eclipse is a pain, but at the moment it provides a base that works for windows and linux offerings. It is a standard base for Rocket tools including datavu, webservices, restful servives, EDA, etc. I support David's comments that rather than putting down products, we need to work with Rocket in how to improve the products. There are many opportunities for test tools and other development tools to be integrated with BDT that could help developers productivity. However Rocket will not invest in this product if we constantly put it down. It is also something as developers should look at how they manage source code. Maybe the source code that is to be edited should be taken out of a library and stored in a development spot which would have a local directory. Whilst there is still work to go on BDT, it is an evolving product and something that makes U2 look more professional something that the community has had to battle with in the eyes of management and consultants Regards David Jordan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: Sunday, 11 March 2012 5:32 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Thanks, Doug. Not much of a tool, especially when you have to download and install all the junk that goes with it! :-( Bill - Original Message - *From:* dave...@gmail.com *To:* U2 Users List *Date:* 3/10/2012 9:55 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] New U2 BDT > Hi Bill: > > After testing BDT, I'm wrong. BDT does recognize environment variables. > However, you cannot open or edit any files that are not "DIR" files. > So you are trying to edit an LD file and it does not let you. > > I figured this out when our editor allowed editing of those files. So > there really is not a bug but a BDT feature. > > Regards, > Doug > www.u2logic.com > "XLr8Editor the other Eclipse editor" > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
What specific advantage does Eclipse give to U2 developers ? "It's a standard" doesn't really impress me, unless there is something I can use myself, today. I'm not asking what BDT gives me, what does Eclipse give me. And the ability to use BDT is not a valid argument. -Original Message- From: David Jordan To: U2 Users List Sent: Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:01 pm Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Bill Eclipse is a pain, but at the moment it provides a base that works for windows and linux offerings. It is a standard base for Rocket tools including datavu, webservices, restful servives, EDA, etc. I support David's comments that rather than putting down products, we need to work with Rocket in how to improve the products. There are many opportunities for test tools and other development tools to be integrated with BDT that could help developers productivity. However Rocket will not invest in this product if we constantly put it down. It is also something as developers should look at how they manage source code. Maybe the source code that is to be edited should be taken out of a library and stored in a development spot which would have a local directory. Whilst there is still work to go on BDT, it is an evolving product and something that makes U2 look more professional something that the community has had to battle with in the eyes of management and consultants Regards David Jordan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: Sunday, 11 March 2012 5:32 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Thanks, Doug. Not much of a tool, especially when you have to download and install all the junk that goes with it! :-( Bill - Original Message - *From:* dave...@gmail.com *To:* U2 Users List *Date:* 3/10/2012 9:55 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] New U2 BDT > Hi Bill: > > After testing BDT, I'm wrong. BDT does recognize environment variables. > However, you cannot open or edit any files that are not "DIR" files. > So you are trying to edit an LD file and it does not let you. > > I figured this out when our editor allowed editing of those files. So > there really is not a bug but a BDT feature. > > Regards, > Doug > www.u2logic.com > "XLr8Editor the other Eclipse editor" > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
Bill Eclipse is a pain, but at the moment it provides a base that works for windows and linux offerings. It is a standard base for Rocket tools including datavu, webservices, restful servives, EDA, etc. I support David's comments that rather than putting down products, we need to work with Rocket in how to improve the products. There are many opportunities for test tools and other development tools to be integrated with BDT that could help developers productivity. However Rocket will not invest in this product if we constantly put it down. It is also something as developers should look at how they manage source code. Maybe the source code that is to be edited should be taken out of a library and stored in a development spot which would have a local directory. Whilst there is still work to go on BDT, it is an evolving product and something that makes U2 look more professional something that the community has had to battle with in the eyes of management and consultants Regards David Jordan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: Sunday, 11 March 2012 5:32 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Thanks, Doug. Not much of a tool, especially when you have to download and install all the junk that goes with it! :-( Bill - Original Message - *From:* dave...@gmail.com *To:* U2 Users List *Date:* 3/10/2012 9:55 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] New U2 BDT > Hi Bill: > > After testing BDT, I'm wrong. BDT does recognize environment variables. > However, you cannot open or edit any files that are not "DIR" files. > So you are trying to edit an LD file and it does not let you. > > I figured this out when our editor allowed editing of those files. So > there really is not a bug but a BDT feature. > > Regards, > Doug > www.u2logic.com > "XLr8Editor the other Eclipse editor" > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
Thanks, Doug. Not much of a tool, especially when you have to download and install all the junk that goes with it! :-( Bill - Original Message - *From:* dave...@gmail.com *To:* U2 Users List *Date:* 3/10/2012 9:55 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Hi Bill: After testing BDT, I'm wrong. BDT does recognize environment variables. However, you cannot open or edit any files that are not "DIR" files. So you are trying to edit an LD file and it does not let you. I figured this out when our editor allowed editing of those files. So there really is not a bug but a BDT feature. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com "XLr8Editor the other Eclipse editor" ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
Hi Bill: After testing BDT, I'm wrong. BDT does recognize environment variables. However, you cannot open or edit any files that are not "DIR" files. So you are trying to edit an LD file and it does not let you. I figured this out when our editor allowed editing of those files. So there really is not a bug but a BDT feature. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com "XLr8Editor the other Eclipse editor" ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
You should at least raise a case to Rocket about this -- they fix problems
based on issues from customers --But to my knowledge, they NEVER address
'forum based' issues as they don't have an 'eCase number'!
Once you've raised the case and gotten an eCase number, post that
information so that other similarly situated can ALSO log a case and refer
to YOUR eCase -- the more people that have the same issue, the sooner and
more likely it gets addressed. People trying, giving up and then skulking
back into darkness has the side effect of leaving the issue broken with
Rocket possibly not aware of the impact of the break-- Unreported issues do
not help raise the quality level...
I've never felt that U2 ignored issues that rendered the product 'unusable'
- those are usually pretty high up the list -- especially a high-profile
tool like BDT -- they've been trumpeting that thing. NOW -- they may
'document' the shortcoming -- but at that point, it becomes the 'omission of
a feature -- not a bug' Heheh
SO, for the good of humanity (at least, the U2 subset of humanity) -- log
this as an issue before you move back to WED -- and everyone else similarly
situated, do the same.
(off box... back to work)
DW
-Original Message-
From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 11:59 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
Thanks Doug.
Just another product that forces me to dance to their tune rather than
letting me work in the most efficient manner that 20 years of experience has
taught me. Yes, they're much smarter and better than me.
But then, my daughter informs me just how stupid I am on a daily basis! :-)
So, I guess WED is my editor of choice. After all the crap I'm forced to
download and install, one would think simple editing functions would work.
I guess not. [sigh]
Bill
- Original Message -
*From:* dave...@gmail.com
*To:* U2 Users List
*Date:* 3/9/2012 6:11 PM
*Subject:* Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
> Hi Bill:
>
> BDT uses UOJ for connection which does not support environmental
variables.
> You would have to shell out to get them and convert the files
> manually. I looked in the manuals and did not find an alternative.
>
> BDT does not have a keep alive. The default for a UOJ session is an hour.
> If you do not do anything in that hour you have to reconnect again.
> BDT's advance settings do not allow you to change the default even
> though UOJ supports changing this parameter.
>
> Regards,
> Doug
> www.u2logic.com
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Bill Haskett
wrote:
>
>> I installed the new U2 BDT (Basic Developer's Toolkit) and attempted
>> to use it. In the U2 resource tab (after I created a server
>> connection) one gets a list of accounts. Drilling in one gets a list
>> of files. These include links ('Q'-files). When I click on one of
>> the program links I get the message:
>>
>> "Could not get contents of directory
>> "E:\UDAccounts\Dev\@ABO_SYS\**BP" on server "devserver". Error message:
Unable to find the directory."
>>
>> Ok, the file link I'm accessing looks like:
>>
>> 7 Dev (0)-> AE VOC ABOBP
>> Top of "ABOBP" in "VOC", 3 lines, 28 characters.
>> *--: P
>> 001: LD
>> 002: @ABO_SYS\BP
>> 003: @ABO_SYS\D_BP
>> Bottom.
>>
>> ...so it appears the tool is appending the file path onto the VOC
>> information. Unfortunately, in UD on Windows we use environment
>> variables, so the reference "@ABO_SYS" is a defined environment
>> variable path. It appears, therefore, that one cannot reference programs
and data from links.
>> Secondly, there doesn't seem to be any timeout manager (or
>> keepalive
>> setting) because my RPC times-out because I've set it to do so.
>>
>> I guess this alone makes use of this tool problematic for me. Can
>> anyone inform me that I'm mistaken and simply have to make a few
>> settings to overcome these basic impediments? I guess I just have to go
back to WED.
>> :-(
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --
>>
>> Bill Haskett
>>
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Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
Thanks Doug.
Just another product that forces me to dance to their tune rather than
letting me work in the most efficient manner that 20 years of experience
has taught me. Yes, they're much smarter and better than me.
But then, my daughter informs me just how stupid I am on a daily basis! :-)
So, I guess WED is my editor of choice. After all the crap I'm forced
to download and install, one would think simple editing functions would
work. I guess not. [sigh]
Bill
- Original Message -
*From:* dave...@gmail.com
*To:* U2 Users List
*Date:* 3/9/2012 6:11 PM
*Subject:* Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
Hi Bill:
BDT uses UOJ for connection which does not support environmental variables.
You would have to shell out to get them and convert the files manually. I
looked in the manuals and did not find an alternative.
BDT does not have a keep alive. The default for a UOJ session is an hour.
If you do not do anything in that hour you have to reconnect again. BDT's
advance settings do not allow you to change the default even though UOJ
supports changing this parameter.
Regards,
Doug
www.u2logic.com
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Bill Haskett wrote:
I installed the new U2 BDT (Basic Developer's Toolkit) and attempted to
use it. In the U2 resource tab (after I created a server connection) one
gets a list of accounts. Drilling in one gets a list of files. These
include links ('Q'-files). When I click on one of the program links I get
the message:
"Could not get contents of directory "E:\UDAccounts\Dev\@ABO_SYS\**BP" on
server "devserver". Error message: Unable to find the directory."
Ok, the file link I'm accessing looks like:
7 Dev (0)-> AE VOC ABOBP
Top of "ABOBP" in "VOC", 3 lines, 28 characters.
*--: P
001: LD
002: @ABO_SYS\BP
003: @ABO_SYS\D_BP
Bottom.
...so it appears the tool is appending the file path onto the VOC
information. Unfortunately, in UD on Windows we use environment variables,
so the reference "@ABO_SYS" is a defined environment variable path. It
appears, therefore, that one cannot reference programs and data from links.
Secondly, there doesn't seem to be any timeout manager (or keepalive
setting) because my RPC times-out because I've set it to do so.
I guess this alone makes use of this tool problematic for me. Can anyone
inform me that I'm mistaken and simply have to make a few settings to
overcome these basic impediments? I guess I just have to go back to WED.
:-(
Thanks,
--
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Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
Hi Bill:
BDT uses UOJ for connection which does not support environmental variables.
You would have to shell out to get them and convert the files manually. I
looked in the manuals and did not find an alternative.
BDT does not have a keep alive. The default for a UOJ session is an hour.
If you do not do anything in that hour you have to reconnect again. BDT's
advance settings do not allow you to change the default even though UOJ
supports changing this parameter.
Regards,
Doug
www.u2logic.com
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Bill Haskett wrote:
> I installed the new U2 BDT (Basic Developer's Toolkit) and attempted to
> use it. In the U2 resource tab (after I created a server connection) one
> gets a list of accounts. Drilling in one gets a list of files. These
> include links ('Q'-files). When I click on one of the program links I get
> the message:
>
> "Could not get contents of directory "E:\UDAccounts\Dev\@ABO_SYS\**BP" on
> server "devserver". Error message: Unable to find the directory."
>
> Ok, the file link I'm accessing looks like:
>
> 7 Dev (0)-> AE VOC ABOBP
> Top of "ABOBP" in "VOC", 3 lines, 28 characters.
> *--: P
> 001: LD
> 002: @ABO_SYS\BP
> 003: @ABO_SYS\D_BP
> Bottom.
>
> ...so it appears the tool is appending the file path onto the VOC
> information. Unfortunately, in UD on Windows we use environment variables,
> so the reference "@ABO_SYS" is a defined environment variable path. It
> appears, therefore, that one cannot reference programs and data from links.
> Secondly, there doesn't seem to be any timeout manager (or keepalive
> setting) because my RPC times-out because I've set it to do so.
>
> I guess this alone makes use of this tool problematic for me. Can anyone
> inform me that I'm mistaken and simply have to make a few settings to
> overcome these basic impediments? I guess I just have to go back to WED.
> :-(
>
> Thanks,
> --
>
> Bill Haskett
>
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