Public bug reported:
Short:
When installing Ubuntu 6.10 from the LiveC I told the installer to mount my
60gb windows partition in /media/windows. After reboot my new Ubuntu system
would show two mounts on the desktop: Windows and Windows(2).
More Details:
I thought that this problem might have
I have the same problem on firefox 1.99+2.0b2+dfsg-1ubuntu1.
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Hm... was this meant to have been fixed in the version published
2006-08-11 16:03:16 EDT 1.9.3-1ubuntu2? If so, I don't think it's been
solved yet. I've been seeing weird problems with update-manager which I
believe are attributable to this bug. After I log in and run update-
manager the first
Public bug reported:
Binary package hint: xfdesktop4
Xubuntu (edgy up to date 15-09-06): right click on the xfce menu in
panel, choose Edit Menu... opens menueditor as expected but opens the
file for desktop menu (right click on desktop) not the menu file for the
panel menu. This did not exist
Thread on nautilus-devel: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/nautilus-
list/2006-February/msg00042.html
Screenshots here:
http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~weckerl/nautilus_patch.html
** Changed in: nautilus (Ubuntu)
Importance: Untriaged = Wishlist
Assignee: (unassigned) = Ubuntu Desktop Bugs
Hi,
No it's not just in VMware, it's also in the real ;-) Edgy.
I just installed Knot3 this morning, and the problem is still there.
I followed thge instructions in the link you gave me, but there is a problem:
when I try to apply the patch, it doesn't work. It says:
$ patch -Np1 -i
Please sync ghemical 2.10-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main).
There were no Ubuntu changes. The packages builds fine in a clean edgy
pbuilder. Changelog entries follow:
ghemical (2.10-1) unstable; urgency=low
* New upstream release.
* debian/patches/12_64bit_build_fix.dpatch: Removed,
My DVD-drive on Sony VAIO VGN-FS115MR stops reading disc after some
time. I tryed DVD+RW, CD-R
Dapper, kernel 2.6.15-26
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I can confirm twhat mvandeg is saying. Frequency scaling does not work
in Edgy Kernel 2.6.17-7.20 generic.
When I try to manually scale the frequency /proc/cpu still reports the
same CPU speed. I have a dv2000t with an Intel Core 2 Duo (2.0ghz).
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Hi again,
I tried another desktop recorder: byzanz. It worked very well so I
attached the file ! Now you can see the bug in action ! :-)
Just a note about the file though... it is not recorded as a video,
but as an animated GIF file. The eye of Gnome doesn't read animated
GIF files sadly (I
Public bug reported:
My DVD-drive on Sony VAIO VGN-FS115MR stops reading disc after some time. I
tryed DVD+RW, CD-R.
It seems drive looses track.
Dapper, kernel 2.6.15-26
** Affects: Ubuntu
Importance: Untriaged
Status: Unconfirmed
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** Changed in: kdebase (Ubuntu)
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that would work (as a temporary fix). the higher its priority, the less
chance it has to drop the connection... but even with top priority, it
drops the connection if the computer hangs long enough.
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Public bug reported:
Binary package hint: pmount
Upon connecting a Sony PSP in USB Mode, the device isn't automounted.
When the device is right-clicked in Computer and Mount Volume is
selected, the following error is given:
error: this program needs to be installed suid root
error: could not
Public bug reported:
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Please sync libghemical 2.10-1 (universe) from Debian Sid (main). There
were no Ubuntu changes. The package builds fine in a clean Edgy
pbuilder. Changelog entries follow:
libghemical (2.10-1) unstable; urgency=low
* New
can you check by doing save as what encoding kate thinks the file is in
by looking at the top right of the save dialog where it will say
something like iso 8859-1 or utf8 etc
** Changed in: kdebase (Ubuntu)
Importance: Untriaged = Medium
Status: Unconfirmed = Needs Info
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Public bug reported:
When booting I get an error that there is no splash art for 1200x1900
screens, it should be relatively trivial to update images and upload.
** Affects: usplash-theme-ubuntu (Ubuntu)
Importance: Untriaged
Status: Unconfirmed
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Bug confirmed.
MSI P965 NEO-F motherboard.
Really hope the fix gets in Edgy Eft, a lot of people (basically all
people with a Core 2 Duo chipset + others) are affected by this problem.
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Sharing printers on 6.06 version is done like this:
sudo /usr/share/cups/enable_sharing 1
Enabling your clients to see shared printers is done like this:
sudo /usr/share/cups/enable_browsing 1
It's true, KDE doesn't have GUI for doing this. But this is cause
printing.kde.org stoped developing 4
I just wanted to say that this has happened to me also. It appears to be
a product of when evolution is 'Storing Mail' (according to the bottom
left status bar) and is unexpectedly shut down. I am more than willing
to work with anyone to help debug.
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Public bug reported:
this is similar to bug 313173 that was said to be resolved. It is not
resolved attempt to set up a networked printer between 2 Dapper machines
and no matter what you do it will not go. It will ask over and over for
a password but no one seems to know what this is.
If you
Public bug reported:
Sometimes when I try to start evolution, it will simply show a task in
the taskbar that says 'Starting Evolution' for some time, then
disappears. I have found that trying several times or killing eds often
helps with this.
** Affects: evolution (Ubuntu)
Importance:
There's a reasonable chance that this bug has been fixed, although
without log files I cannot be sure. Peter, if you can reproduce this bug
with Ubuntu 6.06.1, please reopen this bug and attach
/var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman. Anyone
else, please file a new bug.
Closing by request of submitter. Try Kubuntu 6.06.1, where that problem
should be fixed.
** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu)
Status: Needs Info = Rejected
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** Tags added: invalid-literal-for-int
** Summary changed:
- Freezing using LiveCD install option
+ debconf frontend went away
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Without log files or even a traceback, there's no way for me to do
anything with this bug. claudiumagdas, if you can reproduce this bug
with Ubuntu 6.06.1, please reopen this bug and attach
/var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman. Anyone
else, please file a new bug.
**
This isn't CUPS bug, since CUPS has instruments for enabling
sharing/browsing. KDE doesn't provide GUI for it, so this is a KDE bug.
** Changed in: cupsys (Ubuntu)
Sourcepackagename: cupsys = kdebase
Importance: Untriaged = Medium
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There's a reasonable chance that that this bug has been fixed, although
without log files I cannot be sure. Yann, if you can reproduce this bug
with Ubuntu 6.06.1, please reopen this bug and attach
/var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman. Anyone
else, please file a new
There's a reasonable chance that that this bug has been fixed, although
without log files I cannot be sure. Peter, if you can reproduce this bug
with Ubuntu 6.06.1, please reopen this bug and attach
/var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman. Anyone
else, please file a new
Without log files, I can't do anything more with this bug. However, that
error code is characteristic of CD read errors. I suggest burning the CD
at a lower speed (if applicable) and cleaning your CD drive lens with
the sort of cleaning kit you can get at electronics shops; then perform
a CD
See bug #28647.
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** Summary changed:
- Please sync ghemical (universe) from Debian unstable (Ver. 2.10)
+ Please sync ghemical 2.10-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)
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** Changed in: kopete (Ubuntu)
Importance: Untriaged = Medium
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There's a reasonable chance that that this bug has been fixed, although
without log files I cannot be sure. nhenzie, if you can reproduce this
bug with Kubuntu 6.06.1, please reopen this bug and attach
/var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman. Anyone
else, please file a new
That file (/usr/share/xml/iso-codes/iso_3166.xml) is definitely on the
CD, so its absence indicates a CD read error. I suggest burning the CD
at a lower speed (if applicable) and cleaning the CD drive lens with the
sort of cleaning kit you can get at electronics shops; then perform a CD
integrity
There's a reasonable chance that that this bug has been fixed, although
without log files I cannot be sure. mostlybob, if you can reproduce this
bug with Ubuntu 6.06.1, please reopen this bug and attach
/var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman. Anyone
else, please file a
** Summary changed:
- XUbuntu 6.06 - Installer crashed during partitioning
+ crash during partitioning (gtk.main_quit)
** Tags added: gtk-mainloop-crash
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There's a reasonable chance that that this bug has been fixed, although
without log files I cannot be sure. arpace, if you can reproduce this
bug with Ubuntu 6.06.1, please reopen this bug and attach
/var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman. Anyone
else, please file a new
Without log files I cannot do much with this bug, although error -7
(SIGBUS) suggests a CD read error. I suggest burning the CD at a lower
speed (if applicable) and cleaning the CD drive lens with the sort of
cleaning kit you can get at electronics shops; then perform a CD
integrity check before
There's a reasonable chance that that this bug has been fixed, although
without log files I cannot be sure. frodo, if you can reproduce this
bug with Ubuntu 6.06.1, please reopen this bug and attach
/var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman. Anyone
else, please file a
** Summary changed:
- Install Kubuntu 6.06 LST for i386 ERROR
+ debconf frontend went away
** Tags added: invalid-literal-for-int
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There's a reasonable chance that that this bug has been fixed, although
without log files I cannot be sure. mcloarec, if you can reproduce this
bug with Ubuntu 6.06.1, please reopen this bug and attach
/var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman. Anyone
else, please file a new
There's a reasonable chance that that this bug has been fixed, although
without log files I cannot be sure. fernando, if you can reproduce this
bug with Ubuntu 6.06.1, please reopen this bug and attach
/var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman. Anyone
else, please file a new
There's a reasonable chance that that this bug has been fixed, although
without log files I cannot be sure. Dave, if you can reproduce this bug
with Kubuntu 6.06.1, please reopen this bug and attach
/var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman. Anyone
else, please file a new
There's a reasonable chance that that this bug has been fixed, although
without log files I cannot be sure. Witold, if you can reproduce this
bug with Kubuntu 6.06.1, please reopen this bug and attach
/var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman. Anyone
else, please file a new
There's a reasonable chance that that this bug has been fixed, although
without log files (they never seem to have reached this bug) I cannot be
sure. Nancy, if you can reproduce this bug with Kubuntu 6.06.1, please
reopen this bug and attach /var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog,
and
There's a reasonable chance that that this bug has been fixed, although
without log files I cannot be sure. zenek, if you can reproduce this bug
with Ubuntu 6.06.1, please reopen this bug and attach
/var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman. Anyone
else, please file a new
Public bug reported:
Binary package hint: network-manager
lsmod | grep ipw:
ipw2200 114852 0
ieee80211 34952 1 ipw2200
sudo /usr/sbin/NetworkManager --no-daemon:
NetworkManager: information starting...
NetworkManager: information eth1: Device is
Without complete log files, I can't do much with this bug. apmarkey, if
you can reproduce this bug with Xubuntu 6.06.1, please reopen this bug
and attach /var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog, and
/var/log/partman. Anyone else, please file a new bug.
I note that there's a certain amount of
Without /var/log/installer/syslog, I can't do anything with this bug.
Julien, if you can reproduce this bug with Ubuntu 6.06.1, please reopen
this bug and attach /var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog, and
/var/log/partman. Anyone else, please file a new bug.
I note that your syslog exhibits
Public bug reported:
Binary package hint: nautilus
Boot machine with an audio disk in CD drive.
Log into account.
Choose to remove disk using right click and eject.
On screen message reported that the system was Writing data to storage disk.
However the CD is a WORM device, so this is untrue.
There's a reasonable chance that that this bug has been fixed, although
without log files I cannot be sure. marvin, if you can reproduce this
bug with Kubuntu 6.06.1, please reopen this bug and attach
/var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman. Anyone
else, please file a new
There's a reasonable chance that that this bug has been fixed, although
without log files I cannot be sure. Adrián, if you can reproduce this
bug with Ubuntu 6.06.1, please reopen this bug and attach
/var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman. Anyone
else, please file a new
There's a reasonable chance that that this bug has been fixed, although
without log files I cannot be sure. exin, if you can reproduce this bug
with Kubuntu 6.06.1, please reopen this bug and attach
/var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman. Anyone
else, please file a new
** Summary changed:
- network printer auto-discovery
+ network printer auto-discovery is not discoverable
** Description changed:
- this is similar to bug 313173 that was said to be resolved. It is not
- resolved attempt to set up a networked printer between 2 Dapper machines
- and no matter
There's a reasonable chance that that this bug has been fixed, although
without log files I cannot be sure. echeese, if you can reproduce this
bug with Ubuntu 6.06.1, please reopen this bug and attach
/var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman. Anyone
else, please file a new
There's a reasonable chance that that this bug has been fixed, although
without log files I cannot be sure. Gaetan, if you can reproduce this
bug with Kubuntu 6.06.1, please reopen this bug and attach
/var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman. Anyone
else, please file a new
Thanks Collin, I encountered the same issue with my swiss french locale on a
i386 architecture when starting firefox.
The error message is :
Erreur d'analyse XML : entité non définie
Emplacement : chrome://browser/content/browser.xul
Numéro de ligne 1140, Colonne 9 :toolbarbutton
** Changed in: nautilus (upstream)
Status: Unknown = Unconfirmed
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** Changed in: gcalctool (upstream)
Status: Unknown = Rejected
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Um, I'm not sure if the communication went alright. Without a backtrace
or any other sign it's hard to say whose fault it is.
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Status: Unknown = Confirmed
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There's a reasonable chance that that this bug has been fixed, although
without log files I cannot be sure. epintula, if you can reproduce this
bug with Kubuntu 6.06.1, please reopen this bug and attach
/var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman. Anyone
else, please file a
There's a reasonable chance that that this bug has been fixed, although
without log files I cannot be sure. trylik, if you can reproduce this
bug with Kubuntu 6.06.1, please reopen this bug and attach
/var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman. Anyone
else, please file a new
** Summary changed:
- installer crashed
+ debconf frontend went away
** Tags added: invalid-literal-for-int
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** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu)
Importance: Untriaged = High
** Summary changed:
- Linux upgrade doesn't update symlinks used by yaboot
+ link_in_boot not set correctly
** Description changed:
- Binary package hint: linux-image-2.6.15-26-powerpc
-
The Linux kernel upgrades for dapper
Probably because of an update is my problem fixed now!
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Found on a desktop, nvidia card, no accelerated drivers in place.
** Changed in: gnome-screensaver (Ubuntu)
Status: Unconfirmed = Confirmed
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There's a reasonable chance that that this bug has been fixed, although
without log files I cannot be sure. josesito, if you can reproduce this
bug with Xubuntu 6.06.1, please reopen this bug and attach
/var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman. Anyone
else, please file a
** Changed in: system-tools-backends (upstream)
Status: Unconfirmed = Fix Released
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** Changed in: gnome-system-monitor (upstream)
Status: Unknown = Confirmed
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Status: Unknown = Confirmed
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There's a reasonable chance that that this bug has been fixed, although
without log files I cannot be sure. bloke, if you can reproduce this bug
with Ubuntu 6.06.1, please reopen this bug and attach
/var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman. Anyone
else, please file a new
Public bug reported:
Binary package hint: konversation
If Konversation is configured to use iso-8859-1 character set, and if I
enter a message with some characters outside this character set, the
following seems to happen:
- Konversation silently translates the non-iso-8859-1 characters to ?
There's a reasonable chance that that this bug has been fixed, although
without log files I cannot be sure. AstonKwok, if you can reproduce this
bug with Kubuntu 6.06.1, please reopen this bug and attach
/var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman. Anyone
else, please file a
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 46569 ***
You tried to launch more than one instance of the installer at once,
which caused it to explode messily. This is also bug 46569, which I
recently fixed in Edgy.
** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 46569
running installer twice
** Bug 52951 has been marked a duplicate of this bug
** Bug 53021 has been marked a duplicate of this bug
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There's a reasonable chance that that this bug has been fixed, although
without log files I cannot be sure. nicolososoboso, if you can reproduce
this bug with Ubuntu 6.06.1, please reopen this bug and attach
/var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman. Anyone
else, please file
There's a reasonable chance that that this bug has been fixed, although
without log files I cannot be sure. Vinit, if you can reproduce this bug
with Kubuntu 6.06.1, please reopen this bug and attach
/var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman. Anyone
else, please file a new
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 46569 ***
I believe you accidentally tried to launch more than one instance of the
installer at once (perhaps by excessive double-clicking on its icon).
The resulting messy explosion is bug 46569, which I recently fixed in
Edgy.
** This bug has been marked a
Public bug reported:
Seit ich Eye Candy erfolgreich eingerichtet habe, genau wie in der
beschreibung bei Wiki, geht beim hochfahren erstmal die Tastatur gar
nicht. Tastaturlayout ist per default auf Deutsch. Zuerst muss ich
malsehr oft beim Tastaturlayout herumklicken deutsch default englisch
uploaded to edgy, enjoy
** Changed in: amarok (Ubuntu)
Status: Confirmed = Fix Released
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There's a reasonable chance that that this bug has been fixed, although
without log files I cannot be sure. alvin, if you can reproduce this bug
with Kubuntu 6.06.1, please reopen this bug and attach
/var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman. Anyone
else, please file a new
Without log files, or indeed any useful information at all, I cannot do
anything with this bug. vicke_91, if you can reproduce this bug with
Ubuntu 6.06.1, please reopen this bug, provide more detail about what
you were doing, and attach /var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/syslog,
and
Public bug reported:
Steps to reproduce:
- Set the character encoding in Konversation to utf-8.
- Join an IRC channel with a non-ASCII character in its name, say,
#testä (the channel name is in utf-8).
- Using another IRC client, send a message which is not a valid utf-8
message (say,
Public bug reported:
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affects distros/ubuntu/pytone
status confirmed
subscribe ubuntu-archive
Please sync pytone (universe) from unstable.
Overriding Ubuntu changes is ok.
Changelog since current edgy version 2.3.0-1ubuntu1:
pytone (2.3.1-2)
seems that there is no activity since march on this bug.
If this is still a problem please ensure you are running the latest
armork for dapper or edgy ( version 1.4.3 was for both as of the time of
this writing ) and feel free to reopen this bug.
Thanks
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I can confirm the Ubuntu changes can be dropped - the only being to
build it against Python 2.4, which is no longer needed given python-
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I have a 667 MHz PowerBook3,4, which has a Radeon Mobility M7 LW
[Radeon Mobility 7500]. The default boot-up on Dapper, where radeonfb
is used, fails very often and it _seems_ even more so after the
2.6.15-26.47 (after more than 20 boots I finally got a working console.)
The
Confirmed on i386 (Italian language)
Firefox does not start with the language pack installed
Removing it or starting firefox with LANG=C firefox solves the problem (but
no localization)
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File / Save As... dialog shows utf8.
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After upgrading bios and turning on modem, sound now works (not sure if
upgrading the bios helped).
My thinkpad came shipped with the modem turned off. I will never ever
use the modem.
I still think its a bug that ubuntu can't startup sound if the modem is
turned off (snd-hda-intel is loaded, it
Confirmed here on i386, French locale
LANG=C fixes the problem, but it's not a nice fix :)
It looks like mozilla-firefox-locale-* weren't updated for beta2.
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Public bug reported:
The lists.ubuntu.com frontend to the mailinglist archives uses a mechanism to
protect against spammers. Email addresses are
converted to something like foo @ bar.com. However, the archive offers
the option to download the whole .mbox file. This is a cleartext file
containing
Public bug reported:
I just downloaded knot3 to test on my PowerMac G5, but the kernel oopses
right after I select live-nosplash-powerpc64. After a long period of
time, the CD-ROM spins up and then an additional few lines of output are
printed, then nothing.
I tried selecting live-powerpc64
Here's the initial kernel oops (captured with a digital camera)
** Attachment added: Initial kernel oops
http://librarian.launchpad.net/4289153/IMG_8066.jpg
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Here's the additional output that comes up after a delay and the CD-ROM
spinning up
** Attachment added: Additional output
http://librarian.launchpad.net/4289154/IMG_8067.jpg
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Finally, let me add that while I was unable to perform an integrity
check on the burned CD, I did check the md5sum on the ISO that I
downloaded.
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Hi. I've read the response of the developer. I think that the problem is
not that. He don't wont the user able to randomly edit the text area,
and this is ok, but I can paste anything via edit-paste, and for
anything I mean really anything, even phrases. I can use edit- paste or
ctrl-v, or middle
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