Re: [uknof] Investigatory Powers Act

2016-12-01 Thread Paul Mansfield
On 30 November 2016 at 16:48, Pete Stevens wrote: > (i) That's going to be a lot of data. Invest in disks. some years ago on another mailing list we speculated how many disks you'd need, and I hacked up a spreadsheet.

Re: [uknof] Investigatory Powers Act

2016-12-01 Thread Pete Stevens
What were you taking to be the meaning of Internet Connection Record when you did this calculation? Every TCP connection? Or only each TCP to a different site (which would still include a bunch of different ICRs per page, especially thanks to advertising, but I'm surprised if it is as many as you

Re: [uknof] Investigatory Powers Act

2016-12-01 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2016/11/30 16:48, Pete Stevens wrote: > However, viewing dangerous right wing material leading to overthrow of > the government in a referendum (e.g. the Telegraph homepage) generated > 215 ICRs when I just measured it with most web requests generating 50-100 > ICRs per pageview. Map tiles are

Re: [uknof] Investigatory Powers Act

2016-12-01 Thread William Waites
Aled, I am not aware of such a guide, but because I have to do with numerous (very) small providers, I have been fielding questions about just this. We are looking at putting together such a guide with help from people specialising in internet law at the law school. We would welcome help from

Re: [uknof] Investigatory Powers Act

2016-12-01 Thread Aled Morris
On 1 December 2016 at 18:44, William Waites wrote: > Aled, I am not aware of such a guide, but because I have to do with > numerous (very) small providers, I have been fielding questions about just > this. We are looking at putting together such a guide with help from

Re: [uknof] Investigatory Powers Act

2016-12-01 Thread Leo Vegoda
Paul Mansfield wrote: > On 30 November 2016 at 16:48, Pete Stevens wrote: > > (i) That's going to be a lot of data. Invest in disks. > > some years ago on another mailing list we speculated how many disks > you'd need, and I hacked up a spreadsheet. It's not clear to me if

Re: [uknof] Investigatory Powers Act

2016-12-01 Thread Phil Bartlett
This is also quite interesting https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/504189/Comparison_of_ICRs_with_Danish_Session_Logging.pdf Especially, In the UK, government policy is to fund 100% of the reasonable costs incurred by CSPs in complying with communications

Re: [uknof] Investigatory Powers Act

2016-12-01 Thread William Waites
> • In the UK, government policy is to fund 100% of the reasonable costs > incurred by CSPs in complying with communications data retention notices. > This means that CSPs are not financially disadvantaged by compliance and are > not incentivised to pursue lowest cost solutions. This

Re: [uknof] Investigatory Powers Act

2016-12-01 Thread Phil Bartlett
Hi Aled This is quite a useful factsheet on Internet connection records and what's required. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/473745/Factsheet-Internet_Connection_Records.pdf "A data retention notice for internet connection can be placed on a CSP by

Re: [uknof] Investigatory Powers Act

2016-12-01 Thread Paul Mansfield
On 1 December 2016 at 21:09, Leo Vegoda wrote: > Paul Mansfield wrote: >> On 30 November 2016 at 16:48, Pete Stevens wrote: >> > (i) That's going to be a lot of data. Invest in disks. >> >> some years ago on another mailing list we speculated how many

Re: [uknof] Investigatory Powers Act

2016-12-01 Thread Malcolm Hutty
On 30/11/2016 16:48, Pete Stevens wrote: > However, viewing dangerous right wing material leading to overthrow of > the government in a referendum (e.g. the Telegraph homepage) generated > 215 ICRs when I just measured it with most web requests generating 50-100 > ICRs per pageview. What were you

Re: [uknof] Investigatory Powers Act

2016-12-01 Thread Neil J. McRae
I think understanding the ratio of volume to activity would be useful as if it's a few 4K movie downloads or Xbox games that drive that utilisation the the ICR storage demand is low. Sent from my iPhone > On 1 Dec 2016, at 22:39, Paul Mansfield wrote: > >> On 1