Preparing a proposal for encoding a portable interpretable object code into Unicode (from Re: IUC 34 - call for participation open until May 26)

2010-05-29 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Wednesday 19 May 2010 I wrote as follows. I have put forward the idea of encoding a portable interpretable object code into Unicode. http://www.unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/y2010-m01/0098.html http://www.unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/y2009-m03/0168.html There were also

Re: Preparing a proposal for encoding a portable interpretable object code into Unicode (from Re: IUC 34 - call for participation open until May 26)

2010-06-01 Thread William_J_G Overington
I have now produced and uploaded to the web the following document. http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/paper_draft_005.pdf Although there will need to be changes so as to produce an encoding proposal for submitting to the Unicode Technical Committee, this draft version includes all of the

Re: Preparing a proposal for encoding a portable interpretable object code into Unicode (from Re: IUC 34 - call for participation open until May 26)

2010-06-02 Thread William_J_G Overington
Thank you for replying. On Tuesday 1 June 2010, John H. Jenkins jenk...@apple.com wrote: First of all, as Michael says, this isn't character encoding. Well, it is a collection of portable interpretable object code items encoded within a character encoding as if the items were characters.

Re: Preparing a proposal for encoding a portable interpretable object code into Unicode (from Re: IUC 34 - call for participation open until May 26)

2010-06-03 Thread William_J_G Overington
into WordPad using Alt codes as the decimal equivalent of hexadecimal FA000 is 1024000. Thus, for example, U+FA014 would be entered using Alt 1024020. On Wednesday 2 June 2010, John H. Jenkins jenk...@apple.com wrote: On Jun 2, 2010, at 3:51 AM, William_J_G Overington wrote: I know

Re: Emoji (was: Re: Preparing a proposal for encoding a portable interpretable object code into Unicode)

2010-06-04 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Wednesday 2 June 2010, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: However, the emoji proposal became far less objectionable (at least to me) when color and animation ceased to be considered as defining characteristics of plain-text characters, ... I noticed the use of colours other than black

Re: Emoji (was: Re: Preparing a proposal for encoding a portable interpretable object code into Unicode)

2010-06-05 Thread William_J_G Overington
Thank you for your reply. On Friday 4 June 2010, Michael Everson ever...@evertype.com wrote: ... who do you think needs to know this kind of detail? Not a one of us, I am sure, cares about the number of pixels in the Wikipedia graphic. Well, actually I mentioned the number of pixels for

Re: Hexadecimal digits

2010-06-05 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Friday 4 June 2010, Mark Davis ☕ m...@macchiato.com wrote: You (or William Overington, for example) are free to define a range within that area for your specific use. Well, as it happens I did make some Private Use Area allocations for hexadecimal digits back in 2002.

Re: Overloading Unicode

2010-06-05 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Friday 4 June 2010, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: William Overington wrote: [I]f the idea of the portable interpretable object code gathers support, then maybe the defined scope of the standards will become extended. Well, yes. Later in the same post Doug wrote. The

Re: Overloading Unicode

2010-06-07 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Sunday 6 June 2010, Robert Abel freak...@googlemail.com wrote: On 2010/06/05 15:38, William_J_G Overington wrote: I feel that the encoding of a portable interpretable object code into Unicode could be an infrastructural step forward towards great possibilities for the future. And yet

Re: Preparing a proposal for encoding a portable interpretable object code into Unicode (from Re: IUC 34 - call for participation open until May 26)

2010-06-07 Thread William_J_G Overington
Readers following this thread, either as it develops or in the archives might like to know that there has subsequently been further discussion of the draft proposal in another thread. At the time of writing this post, the two of the posts in that other thread that most relate to this thread

Re: Overloading Unicode

2010-06-07 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Saturday 5 June 2010, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: In particular, both ISO/IEC JTC1/SC2/WG2 and the Unicode Consortium and its Technical Committee have the right to decide that executable machine languages are not in scope for ISO/IEC 10646 and the Unicode Standard. Your sentence

Re: Overloading Unicode

2010-06-07 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Saturday 5 June 2010, Mark E. Shoulson m...@kli.org wrote: It isn't and should not be the Unicode Consortium's job to sort through incoming ideas and decide which ones are nifty enough to encode. Unicode isn't here to make your dreams come true. It's here to encode what's there and

RE: Overloading Unicode

2010-06-07 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Monday 7 June 2010, Erkki I. Kolehmainen e...@iki.fi wrote: The Public Reviews are organized for relevant items, for which there is a great deal of expressed interest. In my opinion and recollection, your proposal doesn't qualify for this. Thank you for replying. Public Reviews are

Encoding colours, couleurs, colors in Unicode (from Re: Writing a proposal for an unusual script: SignWriting (colors))

2010-06-22 Thread William_J_G Overington
In relation to encoding colours in Unicode, it could be done. I tried an experimental encoding back in 2002. http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/courtcol.htm http://www.unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/y2002-m07/0210.html There was also some discussion at that time about the issue of

Front of pack nutrition labelling of food

2010-06-28 Thread William_J_G Overington
Some readers might like to know of the following document. http://www.food.gov.uk/multimedia/pdfs/consultationresponse/responsefopnutritionlabeling.pdf My idea about using shape as well as colour is included on page 29. The page from which the document is linked is as follows.

Keying emoji characters using an ordinary keyboard (from Re: ASCII emoji in iOS4)

2010-06-30 Thread William_J_G Overington
A thought experiment of how to enter any of the emoji characters using an ordinary keyboard. How about the following as a first attempt? Suggestions for improvements are welcome. Use a sequence of five characters and have software do the conversion. The format is of two colons followed by

Re: Keying emoji characters using an ordinary keyboard (from Re: ASCII emoji in iOS4)

2010-07-01 Thread William_J_G Overington
Thank you for your reply. On Wednesday 30 June 2010, Kenneth Whistler k...@sybase.com wrote: Yes. Please see: http://www.unicode.org/Public/6.0.0/ucd/EmojiSources-6.0.0d1.txt Will a person seeking to translate from the Private Use Area codes of present day mobile telephones to

Pronunciation of the word emoji

2010-07-06 Thread William_J_G Overington
I am wondering how people pronounce the word emoji. I realize that I have never heard the word emoji spoken by anyone and that how I imagine it pronounced may differ from how others pronounce it. I use three syllables as follows. An ee sound as in tree. A mo sound as in mowing a lawn. A

Using Combining Double Breve and expressing characters perhaps as if struck out.

2010-07-24 Thread William_J_G Overington
I have been looking at the following thread, which is entitled Making Fonts with Diacritical Marks for Phonetics. http://forum.high-logic.com/viewtopic.php?f=3t=3169 I am writing here to ask two questions please in relation to the Unicode aspects of the problem. I have looked at

Re: Indian new rupee sign

2010-07-30 Thread William_J_G Overington
I find it strange that for a new currency symbol that is to come into use in six months that, in the twenty-first century, with all the modern communication methods available, that encoding in Unicode will take longer than six months. Is there any good reason why people cannot arrange that the

Re: Indian new rupee sign

2010-07-31 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Friday 30 July 2010, John H. Jenkins jenk...@apple.com wrote: Obviously this is an important new symbol, and I'm sure that WG2 and the UTC will make every effort to encode it as expeditiously as possible.  As for exactly how long it will take, neither WG2 nor the UTC has even *met* since

Re: Draft Proposal to add Variation Sequences for Latin and Cyrillic letters

2010-08-04 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Tuesday 3 August 2010, Karl Pentzlin karl-pentz...@acssoft.de wrote: Any comments are welcome. Firstly, thank you for making the document available. I have made a few comments regarding matters that I noticed. Please know that, whilst I comment on various matters, I am enthusiastic for

Re: Draft Proposal to add Variation Sequences for Latin and Cyrillic letters (was Re: long s (was: Draft Proposal to add Variation Sequences for Latin and Cyrillic letters))

2010-08-04 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Tuesday, 3/8/10, Janusz S. Bień jsb...@mimuw.edu.pl wrote: I see no reason why, if I understand correctly, the long s variant is to be limited to Fraktur-like styles. Long s was used with ordinary Roman type in England for English text in at least part of the 17th and 18th centuries.

Re: Draft Proposal to add Variation Sequences for Latin and Cyrillic letters

2010-08-05 Thread William_J_G Overington
Thank you for your reply. On Wednesday 4 August 2010, Karl Pentzlin karl-pentz...@acssoft.de wrote: WO Why is it not possible specifically to request a one-storey form of lowercase letter a? I did not this, as I do not know a cultural context where the two-storey form is to be

Re: Draft Proposal to add Variation Sequences for Latin and Cyrillic letters

2010-08-05 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Wednesday 4 August 2010, Asmus Freytag asm...@ix.netcom.com wrote: However, there's no need to add variation sequences to select an *ambiguous* form. Those sequences should be removed from the proposal. Are you here talking about such things as alternate glyph styles? It depends what

Accessing alternate glyphs from plain text (from Re: Draft Proposal to add Variation Sequences for Latin and Cyrillic letters)

2010-08-06 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Thursday, 5 August 2010, Kenneth Whistler k...@sybase.com wrote: I am thinking of where a poet might specify an ending version of a glyph at the end of the last word on some lines, yet not on others, for poetic effect. I think that it would be good if one could specify that in plain

Re: Accessing alternate glyphs from plain text (from Re: Draft Proposal to add Variation Sequences for Latin and Cyrillic letters)

2010-08-07 Thread William_J_G Overington
Thank you for replying. On Friday 6 August 2010, Asmus Freytag asm...@ix.netcom.com wrote: What you mean are artistic or stylistic variants. These have certain problems, see here for an explanation: http://www.unicode.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=221#p221 A./     I have read and

Re: Accessing alternate glyphs from plain text (from Re: Draft Proposal to add Variation Sequences for Latin and Cyrillic letters)

2010-08-07 Thread William_J_G Overington
Thank you for replying. On Friday 6 August 2010, John H. Jenkins jenk...@apple.com wrote: This is another case of a solution in search of a problem. No, the problem is that one cannot at present, as far as I know, access alternate glyphs of an advanced format font from a plain text file.

Re: Accessing alternate glyphs from plain text (from Re: Draft Proposal to add Variation Sequences for Latin and Cyrillic letters)

2010-08-10 Thread William_J_G Overington
Thank you for replying. On Saturday, 7 August 2010, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: I think the alternate ending glyph is supposed to be specified in more detail than that. The example Asmus gave was U+222A UNION with serifs. Even though the exact proportions of the serifs may differ

RE: Accessing alternate glyphs from plain text

2010-08-12 Thread William_J_G Overington
Thank you for taking the time to produce the pdf and thank you also for sharing the result. I had not known of the Gabriola font previously. I found the following page on the web. http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fonts/family.aspx?FID=372 Best regards William Overington 12 August

RE: Accessing alternate glyphs from plain text

2010-08-12 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Thursday 12 August 2010, Peter Constable peter...@microsoft.com wrote: Someone contacted me offline expressing their disappointment at missing ligatures. These are turned off by default in Office 2010 to avoid compatibility issues when viewing documents created on earlier versions. I've

Re: Accessing alternate glyphs from plain text

2010-08-21 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Wednesday 11 August 2010, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: Maybe (though I don't personally believe so) the concept of plain text has become so passé that William's variation selectors for swash e's, and additional ligatures, and weather reporting codes, and Portable Interpretable

Re: 00B7 vs. 2027

2010-09-20 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Saturday 18 September 2010, Andrey V. Lukyanov l...@long.yar.ru wrote: I think that all characters need an annotation. The existing information is scattered around the Unicode standard's chapters and technical reports, so its exact location is not always obvious. It would be nice to

Pie Crust Symbol Design

2010-09-29 Thread William_J_G Overington
I am designing a symbol with the intention that it can be used in pie crusts for gluten-free pies. This will hopefully help reduce and hopefully eliminate scope for errors in restaurants and hotels where some pie crusts may be made from wheat or some other grains containing gluten and some pie

Re: Creative people on Twitter

2010-10-14 Thread William_J_G Overington
David Starner prosfil...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently a tweet before that point is a string of 32-bit integers, including all those wonderful characters above U+10. What is the position regarding the 32-bit code point space above U+10 please? Does the Unicode Consortium and/or ISO

Re: OpenType update for Unicode 5.2/6.0?

2010-10-16 Thread William_J_G Overington
Vinod Kumar rigvi...@gmail.com wrote as follows. quote We have demonstrated that an ordered sequence of context sensitive glyph substitutions as implemented by the GSUB tables in Open Fonts are necessary and sufficient for shaping all the nine Indian scripts. end quote In view of this, I

Tag Characters (from Re: Fwd: RFC 6082 on Deprecating Unicode Language Tag Characters: RFC 2482 is Historic)

2010-11-08 Thread William_J_G Overington
I feel that deprecating the tag characters within Unicode was a mistake. There was once a public consultation and the tag characters were not deprecated. Some time later I read that the tag characters had been deprecated. I did not know of that possibility before the meeting that made the

Re: Tag Characters (from Re: Fwd: RFC 6082 on Deprecating Unicode Language Tag Characters: RFC 2482 is Historic)

2010-11-12 Thread William_J_G Overington
I remembered that I produced a font with visible glyphs for the tag characters. Some readers might like a copy of the font, free, from the following forum post. http://forum.high-logic.com/viewtopic.php?p=10587#p10587 I have been trying the font out again and find that I can, with the font

What are the present criteria for the encoding of characters that have been fairly recently invented please?

2011-08-17 Thread William_J_G Overington
What are the present criteria for the encoding of characters that have been fairly recently invented please? There seems to be a lack of clarity. For example, the criteria in relation to Wingdings and Webdings in the following document are not the same as that often stated on the Unicode

Re: Endangered Alphabets

2011-08-19 Thread William_J_G Overington
I am wondering if the following idea would be of any usefulness towards solving the problem without needing any code point allocations in Unicode. Suppose that a concept of an Endangered Language Code Page is invented. Suppose that the letter sequence ELCP is used to designate an endangered

RE: What are the present criteria...

2011-08-19 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Friday 19 August 2011, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: Sorry, in my attempt to avoid naming names I made it look as though Karl made that claim.  He did not.  William's message was the one that attempted to connect the dots between official WG2 policy and the German NB proposal.  

RE: Endangered Alphabets

2011-08-19 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Friday 19 August 2011, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: William_J_G Overington wjgo underscore 10009 at btinternet dot com wrote: Suppose that a concept of an Endangered Language Code Page is invented. The original Endangered Alphabets subject line was hijacked, almost

Re: Code pages and Unicode

2011-08-22 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Monday 22 August 2011, Andrew West andrewcw...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone think of a way to extend UTF-16 without adding new surrogates or inventing a new general category? Andrew How about a triple sequence of two high surrogates followed by one low surrogate? I suggest this as a

Re: RTL PUA?

2011-08-22 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Monday 22 August 2011, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr wrote: So there are only two options: [snipped] ... : this requires an approval either by the UTC WG2 (solution 1) or by the OpenType working group (solution 2). Would a third option work? In the Description section of the

Re: RTL PUA?

2011-08-22 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Monday 22 August 2011, John H. Jenkins jenk...@apple.com wrote: Forgive my asking, but this reference to the description section of the Macintosh Roman section of a TrueType font has me puzzled, because I don't know what you're talking about.  What table contains this string? When I

Designing a format for research use of the PUA in a RTL mode (from Re: RTL PUA?)

2011-08-23 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Monday 22 August 2011, William_J_G Overington wjgo_10...@btinternet.com wrote: Would a third option work?   In the Description section of the Macintosh Roman section of a TrueType font, include a line of text in a plain text format of which the following line of text is an example

RE: Code pages and Unicode

2011-08-24 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Tuesday 23 August 2011, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: Asmus Freytag asmusf at netcom dot com wrote: Until then, I find further speculation rather pointless and would love if it moved off this list (until such time). +1 -0.7 It is harmless fun, indeed it is fun that assists

RE: Designing a format for research use of the PUA in a RTL mode (from Re: RTL PUA?)

2011-08-24 Thread William_J_G Overington
Thank you to Doug and to Asmus for replying.   Originally I was thinking of the format simply being so as to help to level the infrastructural ground as between a PUA (Private Use Area) application using left-to-right characters and a PUA application using right-to-left characters. However,

Re: Encoding of Emoji in SMS, and UCS-2 vs UTF-16

2011-08-29 Thread William_J_G Overington
What actually happens if one tries to send a plane 1 character such as U+1F308 RAINBOW over the SMS link? Perhaps by trying to send a pair of surrogate characters. For example, does the system refuse to send it or does it arrive at the other end as two purportedly unknown plane 0 characters?

RE: [OT] Reusing the same property (was: RE: PRI #202: Extensions to NameAliases.txt for Unicode 6.1.0)

2011-09-01 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Wednesday 31 August 2011, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote:   Coming back full circle, this is where many of the PUA protests on this list come from -- some folks want to use the Unicode PUA to encode things that are not characters, not even glyphs or symbols, nor anything else remotely

Re: IUC 35 Conference T-Shirt Design

2011-09-03 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Saturday 3 September 2011, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr wrote: It's a bit too late to launch this project, just a week-end, ... Well, a weekend and a Monday. ... and most people on this list won't have the time to make something that is creatively interesting, visually appealing,

Re: Sorting and Volapük (from Re: Sorting and German (was: Sorting and Volapük))

2012-01-02 Thread William_J_G Overington
Michael Everson ever...@evertype.com wrote: On 1 Jan 2012, at 19:46, Julian Bradfield wrote: ... So you should be able to define your own locales. How? I am not a programmer. Well, the first step is to try to find out what is needed, by trying to find an analogous case. For

Re: Support for non-BMP characters

2012-04-27 Thread William_J_G Overington
David Starner prosfil...@gmail.com wrote: In any case, is the use of non-BMP characters still problematic in your corner of the computing world or is everything looking fine from where you are? Is there a standardized way to encode a sequence of one or more characters, whether from the BMP

Re: U+2018 is not RIGHT HIGH 6

2012-05-05 Thread William_J_G Overington
The following thread might be of interest. http://forum.high-logic.com/viewtopic.php?f=8t=2568 Within it is the following sentence that I devised to use eleven punctuation characters. “I saw Jane at the supermarket, in the fruit section: she said ‘Is John still researching?’ and bought a

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-23 Thread William_J_G Overington
Recently, Jukka K. Korpela jkorp...@cs.tut.fi wrote: It takes ten years or more, optimistically speaking, before a character added to UTC is generally available and in use. But admittedly, UTC status makes it possible to use the symbol in encoded plain text. I wonder how many databases or

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-29 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Tuesday 29 May 2012, Jukka K. Korpela jkorp...@cs.tut.fi wrote: Everyone and his brother can decree a currency symbol, too, or some other symbol. I disagree with that statement on the basis that the word decree implies having the force of law. Certainly, anyone can invent a new symbol

Re: Flag tags (was: Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign)

2012-05-31 Thread William_J_G Overington
Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: A seemingly straightforward solution to the “unambiguous mapping” problem would be to use the existing Plane 14 tag letters along with a new FLAG TAG, say at U+E0002. Then E0002, E0043, E0048 would unequivocally denote the current Swiss flag. No need for

Tags and future new technologies (from RE: Flag tags (was: Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign))

2012-06-01 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Thursday 31 May 2012, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: William_J_G Overington wjgo underscore 10009 at btinternet dot com wrote: Further to that point of order, is there any rule that absolutely prevents the deprecated status of a character or collection of characters being removed

Re: Tags and future new technologies (from RE: Flag tags (was: Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign))

2012-06-02 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Friday 1 June 2012, Asmus Freytag asm...@ix.netcom.com wrote: All of these things remain solutions in search of a problem. Well, my research would assist in providing communication through the language barrier for such tasks as seeking information about relatives and friends after a

Re: [OT] Flag coding (was: Re: Tags and future new technologies [...])

2012-06-02 Thread William_J_G Overington
Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: I think this is getting off-topic for Unicode, though I know Philippe thinks of it as the basis for a great addition to Unicode. My opinion is that Philippe has put forward a good idea and that it is worthy of serious consideration for encoding. Unicode

Re: UNICODE

2012-07-03 Thread William_J_G Overington
Brennan Smith brennansmit...@me.com wrote: My name is Brennan Smith and I am wondering how I can transfer my images or PNG icons to unicode? Any info will help. Thanks, Brennan It depends quite what you are seeking to do. Unicode has code numbers assigned to characters, one code

Publishing electronically (from Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN COLON)

2012-07-19 Thread William_J_G Overington
Hans Aberg haber...@telia.com wrote: It is possible to publish electronically these days. Indeed. http://www.bl.uk/aboutus/stratpolprog/legaldep/index.html#elec http://www.bl.uk/aboutus/stratpolprog/legaldep/index.html Sometimes an electronic publication is an electronic version of what

Requesting alternate glyphs from plain text

2012-08-21 Thread William_J_G Overington
An increasing number of OpenType fonts are including alternate glyphs for such characters as lowercase g and lowercase l. Some fonts have many alternate glyphs. Some of those fonts include, for example, a swash lowercase e that may, if desired, be used, for example, at the end of a line of

Re: Mayan numerals

2012-09-21 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Friday 21 September 2012, Asmus Freytag asm...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Now, the real question is, will we get a proposal for these so that matter can come before SC2? I have been reading about Mayan numbers on the web. There appear to be two collections of glyphs. One set of glyphs

Telephone keypads and Unicode characters

2012-10-01 Thread William_J_G Overington
Telephone keypads typically have twelve buttons. These are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, *, 0, #. Traditionally, the ten digit buttons are used to initiate a telephone call. However, in addition, the keys can be used, when the recipient of the telephone call is an automated service, to indicate

Some QR codes each encoding one Unicode character

2012-10-08 Thread William_J_G Overington
When a QR code encodes text, usually a sequence of several or more Unicode characters is encoded. Recently I have been experimenting with making some QR codes that each contain just one Unicode character. The idea is that hopefully in the future these QR codes could be scanned using a mobile

Re: Some QR codes each encoding one Unicode character

2012-10-08 Thread William_J_G Overington
Thank you for replying. On Monday 8 October 2012, Curtis Clark li...@curtisclark.org wrote: Inasmuch as QR codes are already able to encode telephone numbers (at least in the US, and I have assumed in the rest of the world as well), I don't see any utility in this, since it would force the

Re: Missing geometric shapes

2012-11-07 Thread William_J_G Overington
I have made a font with glyphs for the four stars. The font is available from the following forum thread. http://forum.high-logic.com/viewtopic.php?f=10t=4028 I found two of the desired stars in regular Unicode. U+2605 BLACK STAR U+2606 WHITE STAR I added the other two glyphs into the plane 0

The rules of encoding (from Re: Missing geometric shapes)

2012-11-07 Thread William_J_G Overington
Michael Everson ever...@evertype.com wrote: ... collect examples of these in print ... Mark E. Shoulson m...@kli.org wrote: We don't encode it would be nice/useful.  We encode *characters*, glyphs that people use (yes, I know I conflated glyphs and characters there.) ...  Unicode isn't a

Re: Missing geometric shapes

2012-11-09 Thread William_J_G Overington
Should the original NO RATING be split into two different items, such as ZERO RATING and EMPTY RATING? Then 0/10 would be ZERO RATING, expressed as five white stars and EMPTY RATING could be expressed, if so desired, by something like five white circles, using five uses of a character such as

Re: The rules of encoding (from Re: Missing geometric shapes)

2012-11-10 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Thursday 8 November 2012, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr wrote: 2012/11/8 William_J_G Overington wjgo_10...@btinternet.com: However, an encoding using a Private Use Area encoding has great problems in being implemented as a widespread system. Wrong, this is what has been made

Re: Character Repertoire vs. Encoding Issues in EU

2012-11-10 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Saturday 10/11/12, Erkki I Kolehmainen e...@iki.fi wrote: It would appear from the above that the Commission is regrettably unaware of the difference between encoding and character repertoire issues and the extensive work needed to be done with confusables and other security aspects of

Re: The rules of encoding (from Re: Missing geometric shapes)

2012-11-12 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Saturday 10 November 2012, John Knightley john.knight...@gmail.com wrote: Whilst using the PUA is far from perfect at the end of the day it is better than the alternative of not using the PUA. Yes. The Private Use Area is a very useful facility in that it allows characters of one's own

Re: Why 17 planes? (was: Re: Why 11 planes?)

2012-11-27 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Tuesday 27 November 2012, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr wrote: This is not complicate to parse it in the foreward direction, but for the backward direction, it means that when you see the final low surrogate, you still need to rollback to the previous position: it can only be a

Re: Why 17 planes?

2012-11-29 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Wednesday 28 November 2012, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: William_J_G Overington wjgo underscore 10009 at btinternet dot com wrote: For example, there is my research on communication through the language barrier... No, stop right there. This is an excellent example

Long-term archiving of electronic text documents

2013-01-28 Thread William_J_G Overington
I was thinking about the problems of the long-term archiving of electronic text documents and thought of an idea. I wonder if I may please mention the idea here in the hope of there being a discussion so that an assessment of whether the idea is worth developing can be made. The idea is that

Re: Spiral symbol

2013-01-30 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Tuesday 22 January 2013, Karl Pentzlin karl-pentz...@acssoft.de wrote: If you have no access to the L2 document list, you can find the document at http://www.pentzlin.com/ComicSymbolsV2.pdf . - Karl Thank you. The pdf made by me on 3 June 2011 with the file name locse010_art.pdf might

Re: Ideograms (was: Spiral symbol)

2013-01-30 Thread William_J_G Overington
Thank you for your comments. Here are some pictographs displayed well in Google street view. http://maps.google.com/?ll=47.279364,0.421498spn=0.001321,0.002248t=mz=18layer=ccbll=47.279429,0.420475panoid=Q_-nApHRA1Aq9IN4YPRzGQcbp=12,175.95,,0,4.88 Zooming-in three times is possible. One can

Re: External Link (Was: Spiral symbol)

2013-01-31 Thread William_J_G Overington
I remember that I made a font at the time. http://forum.high-logic.com/viewtopic.php?f=10t=1208 While opening the font in the FontCreator program this morning from the list of installed fonts on the computer that I an using, I found that there is also another font, External Link Symbol in a

Re: Ideograms (was: Spiral symbol)

2013-02-08 Thread William_J_G Overington
I feel that it would be helpful if there were symbols that could be used in a non-language-specific manner for phrases such as Hello and Thank you and Best regards, and so on. Most ideographs in use are pictographs, for obvious reasons. But it would be nice indeed to have ideograms for

Private Use Area

2013-02-18 Thread William_J_G Overington
Earlier today I posted in a forum, mentioning the Private Use Areas. I referenced section 16.5 of the following document. http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode6.2.0/ch16.pdf I felt that I needed to write as follows, in order to provide clarity. quote There is a lot about what is called

Re: Private Use Area

2013-02-18 Thread William_J_G Overington
The first sentence of section 16.5 is as follows. quote Private-use characters are assigned Unicode code points whose interpretation is not specified by this standard and whose use may be determined by private agreement among cooperating users. end quote Suppose that there is a person,

Re: Private Use Area

2013-02-19 Thread William_J_G Overington
In my forum post yesterday I included the following. quote Anyone can assign anything he or she chooses to any code point in any Private Use Area just by doing it, there is no need to register or anything like that. However, so can everybody else. So the assignments are not unique. So care is

Re: Capitalization in German

2013-02-19 Thread William_J_G Overington
I did not know the word prosody so I looked it up. http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/prosody?q=prosody William Overington 19 February 2013

An idea for a new end-user-friendly interface for keying Unicode characters

2013-02-21 Thread William_J_G Overington
Google street view provides some amazing facilities. I am wondering if Google street view technology, with a few additions, could be applied so as to produce a new end-user-friendly interface for keying Unicode characters. Google street view includes simulations of some art galleries. I am

Re: If Unicode wants to show the Red Card to someone ...

2013-04-02 Thread William_J_G Overington
I found the following. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Aston#Red_and_yellow_cards http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penalty_card It appears that the red card and the yellow card are British inventions and were invented so as to assist communication through the language barrier between a referee

A research idea for entering characters

2013-04-06 Thread William_J_G Overington
Text is for reading by humans. QR codes are for reading by computers. I wondered if it would be possible to have images that could be read by both humans and computers. I am experimenting with trying to produce images that are in some ways similar to QR codes yet in many ways different from

Re: A research idea for entering characters

2013-04-08 Thread William_J_G Overington
Thank you for replying. I have found on the following web page a smaller display of the image for which Jon provided a link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR_code Clicking on it leads to the following page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Extreme_QR_code_to_Wikipedia_mobile_page.png

Re: A research idea for entering characters

2013-04-09 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Saturday 6 April 2013, Shriramana Sharma samj...@gmail.com wrote: By absence of keyboard I suppose you mean something like a handheld mobile device. Even those devices can support character maps although I'm not sure of whether such apps do exist. (Given that the OS of most of these

Re: A research idea for entering characters

2013-04-09 Thread William_J_G Overington
Mark E. Shoulson m...@kli.org wrote: I made a font like this a while back (capital letters and numbers and selected symbols only) with the character in the lower right quadrant.  If you turn the error-correcting up to high, it works fine. Thank you for replying. This is an interesting

Re: UTC Document Register Now Public

2013-04-16 Thread William_J_G Overington
It will hopefully be useful to include in this thread the following link. http://www.unicode.org/L2/all-docs.html William Overington 16 April 2013

Re: UTC Document Register Now Public

2013-04-19 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Monday 15 April 2013, announceme...@unicode.org announceme...@unicode.org wrote: This change has been made to increase public involvement in the ongoing deliberations of the UTC in its work developing and maintaining the Unicode Standard and other related standards and reports. On a

RE: UTC Document Register Now Public

2013-04-20 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Friday 19 April 2013, Whistler, Ken ken.whist...@sap.com wrote: It is quite unlikely that such a document would be rejected on procedural grounds, just because it was making an argument for a change of scope, rather than being a proposal that was already clearly in scope. (I assume

Re: Encoding localizable sentences (was: RE: UTC Document Register Now Public)

2013-04-20 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Friday 19 April 2013, Whistler, Ken ken.whist...@sap.com wrote:   You are aware of Google Translate, for example, right? Yes. I use it from time to time, mostly to translate into English: it is very helpful. If you input sentences such as those in your scenarios or the other examples,

Re: Encoding localizable sentences (was: RE: UTC Document Register Now Public)

2013-04-22 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Saturday 20 April 2013, Erkki I Kolehmainen e...@iki.fi wrote:   I'm sorry to have to admit that I cannot follow at all your train of thought on what would be the practical value of localizable sentences in any of the forms that you are contemplating. In my mind, they would not appear to

Re: Encoding localizable sentences (was: RE: UTC Document Register Now Public)

2013-04-23 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Monday 22 April 2013 I wrote: This will need first of all a new version of the font so as to have symbols for the localizable sentence markup bubble brackets and ten localizable digits for use solely within localizable sentence markup bubbles. After sending that post I made the new

Re: Encoding localizable sentences (was: RE: UTC Document Register Now Public)

2013-04-23 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Monday 22 April 2013, Asmus Freytag asm...@ix.netcom.com wrote: I'm afraid that any proposal submitted this way would just become the basis for a rejection with prejudice. Well, the rules could be changed. I feel that the existing position is not suitable for the advances in ideas that

Re: Encoding localizable sentences (was: RE: UTC Document Register Now Public)

2013-04-23 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Monday 22 April 2013, Asmus Freytag asm...@ix.netcom.com wrote: I'm always suspicious if someone wants to discuss scope of the standard before demonstrating a compelling case on the merits of wide-spread actual use. The reason that I want to discuss the scope is because there is

Re: Encoding localizable sentences (was: RE: UTC Document Register Now Public)

2013-04-23 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Tuesday 23 April 2013, Charlie Ruland ☘ rul...@luckymail.com wrote:   Taken together the above sentences mean that he has to face the fact that there is no “basis for further discussion of the topic.” Well I knew and had just put up with the old situation and was researching on other

Re: Encoding localizable sentences (was: RE: UTC Document Register Now Public)

2013-04-23 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Tuesday 23 April 2013, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr wrote: There's also noather issue: your proposal now uses identifiers that will be resolved in a registry database you are the only one to control. Not at all. The registry would be controlled by an International Standards

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