Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2017-02-03 Thread Graham Samuel via use-livecode
wrote: > > Why is this post called Supercard 4.8 Public Beta?? > > Bob S > > >> On Feb 3, 2017, at 08:15 , Graham Samuel via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> Only slightly OT, quite near my first encounter with computers at all, and >> at the very beginnin

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2017-02-03 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Actually, I learned recently that C and it's variants is NOT a high level language! It's considered a mid-level language. Bob S On Feb 3, 2017, at 08:20 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote: Only slightly OT, quite near my first encounter with computers

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2017-02-03 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Why is this post called Supercard 4.8 Public Beta?? Bob S > On Feb 3, 2017, at 08:15 , Graham Samuel via use-livecode > wrote: > > Only slightly OT, quite near my first encounter with computers at all, and at > the very beginning of my encounter with High Level Languages (

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2017-02-03 Thread Graham Samuel via use-livecode
Only slightly OT, quite near my first encounter with computers at all, and at the very beginning of my encounter with High Level Languages (do people still use that expression?), I translated Knuth’s algorithm for calculating the date of Easter into LISP 1. It would be a lot easier to do in Live

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-17 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 9:20 PM, Scott Morrow wrote: > My brother lives on the other side of the country. I live across town. +1 > for Kay C Lan’s rant But your brother is +1ing my solution :) -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-17 Thread Bob Sneidar
You misunderstood me. By point and click I was referring to the way you MUST program in Filemaker. There is no scripting language for Filemaker, and the result is that something that would take you a half a minute to do with a few lines of code take 5 minutes in Filemaker. I was not referring to

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-17 Thread Roger Eller
On Oct 16, 2016 1:06 AM, "Kay C Lan" wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 2:39 AM, Richmond wrote: > > > I would argue that you can do all of that within Livecode, thereby avoiding > > a hiatus as you get kids to transfer. > > > And surely that's exactly the same argument as those who questions the

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-17 Thread Richmond
I live right at the other extreme of Europe from my parents: they live in England, I live in Bulgaria: but with the use of Skype, e-mail and Facebook we all (i.e. the 23-odd ancient pensioners I "support" with Linux) do just fine. Richmond. On 17.10.2016 01:20, Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Sun, Oct

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-17 Thread Richmond
Here's something for the 80 year olds: My Mum and Dad, who are 86 and 84 respectively, run Xubuntu on their 12 year old Toshiba laptop: several of their friends (also in their 80s) run Linux distros. Frankly none of them know nothing more that "bung in the install disk" . . . They have all c

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-16 Thread Antti Ilola
+1 for Kay C 2016-10-17 7:20 GMT+03:00 Scott Morrow : > My brother lives on the other side of the country. I live across town. +1 > for Kay C Lan’s rant > — Scott Morrow > > On Oct 16, 2016, at 3:20 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > > > > On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Kay C Lan > wrote: > > > >> We (

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-16 Thread Scott Morrow
My brother lives on the other side of the country. I live across town. +1 for Kay C Lan’s rant — Scott Morrow > On Oct 16, 2016, at 3:20 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > >> We (my wife and I) live 9hr flight time away from our parents. > > > The

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-16 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > We (my wife and I) live 9hr flight time away from our parents. The trick here is to have your little brother living a couple of miles from your parents, so that *he* gets the tech calls instead of you. :) Works for me, although some of the o

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-16 Thread Kay C Lan
On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 8:45 PM, Roger Eller wrote: > In regards to "recording" actions to script, my first experience was in Mac > OS 6. The finder had a menu item called "macro" that could record, save, > and playback every click, drag, move, cut, copy, paste, and typed text that > was performe

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-16 Thread Roger Eller
In regards to "recording" actions to script, my first experience was in Mac OS 6. The finder had a menu item called "macro" that could record, save, and playback every click, drag, move, cut, copy, paste, and typed text that was performed in the GUI. This was in 1991, btw. But it wasn't revealed

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-16 Thread Richmond
That's very interesting; but one of the problems is that recording Applescript is restricted to one platform; and the most expensive one at that. When I was working out how to start an EFL school in Bulgaria that was rather different from those already in place I thought "Aah, a row of Macs wi

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-15 Thread Kay C Lan
On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 2:39 AM, Richmond wrote: > I would argue that you can do all of that within Livecode, thereby avoiding > a hiatus as you get kids to transfer. > And surely that's exactly the same argument as those who questions the relevance of playing with a toy language like LiveCode wh

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-15 Thread Richmond
On 15.10.2016 20:41, Richard Gaskin wrote: Richmond wrote: > Thank you, Richard Gaskin, for clarifying that. > > What that does do is confirm my view that teaching children stuff > such as Scratch at school has little or no value in the sense that > it is NOT a programming language. I would c

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-15 Thread Roger Eller
Scratch might be a digital version of Richmond's cups method. I was impressed many years ago with his description of putting things into cups to teach children the concept of variables, writing the name of the var on the cup, and changing their contents. You can even put a variable into another v

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-15 Thread Richard Gaskin
Richmond wrote: > Thank you, Richard Gaskin, for clarifying that. > > What that does do is confirm my view that teaching children stuff > such as Scratch at school has little or no value in the sense that > it is NOT a programming language. I would caution against using the rants of a programmer

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-15 Thread Richmond
Thank you, Richard Gaskin, for clarifying that. What that does do is confirm my view that teaching children stuff such as Scratch at school has little or no value in the sense that it is NOT a programming language. Teaching Scratch reminds me of Jas Pitman's Initial Teaching Alphabet: intende

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-15 Thread Richard Gaskin
Richmond wrote: > On Oct 5, 2016, at 10:22 , Richard Gaskin wrote: >> >> Like Bill Appleton told me shortly after he left his point-and-click >> authoring tool CourseBuilder behind to make SuperCard, there's a >> limit on the complexity of systems that can be expressed clearly in >> any point-and

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-15 Thread Richmond
Aha! On 15.10.2016 17:04, Colin Holgate wrote: I believe Richard was talking about tools that only did point and click. Well tools that only do point and click are a bit of a dead loss because their authors are unable to make them fine-grained enough that end-users can tune them sufficiently

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-15 Thread Colin Holgate
I believe Richard was talking about tools that only did point and click. Everything had to be achieved by placing elements and setting parameters. mTropolis was one of the neater tools of that type, but it would take a lot of logical thinking to get it to achieve things that could be done in a f

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-15 Thread Richmond
On 15.10.2016 07:14, Bob Sneidar wrote: Filemaker has a point and click programming interface. It just gets in the way. I spent more time perusing the dialog and sub-dialog boxes to try and figure out how to add 1 to a variable that contains 1, that I found myself saying, "Can't I just type a

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-14 Thread stephen barncard
On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Filemaker has a point and click programming interface. It just gets in the > way. I spent more time perusing the dialog and sub-dialog boxes to try and > figure out how to add 1 to a variable that contains 1, that I found myself > saying, "Can

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-14 Thread Bob Sneidar
Filemaker has a point and click programming interface. It just gets in the way. I spent more time perusing the dialog and sub-dialog boxes to try and figure out how to add 1 to a variable that contains 1, that I found myself saying, "Can't I just type a formula??" I gave up on Filemaker. Bob S

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-06 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 2:25 AM, David V Glasgow wrote: > Do not try to bend the card. Nor spindle fold, or mutilate . . . -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this u

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-06 Thread David V Glasgow
Richard, I take issue that the specific metaphor doesn’t matter. Stacks and cards are great metaphors for that period of time when a potential programmer is trying to build a mental model of what exactly it is they are trying to do on screen, and relating that to the available tools and vocab

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-05 Thread Richmond
I wonder how any development suite and/or language could claim it did not rely on a metaphor unless it consisted of programming in nothing but ones and zeros? Richmond. On 5.10.2016 20:03, David V Glasgow wrote: I PAID in advance for the Windows version, and then switched to mTropolis. II

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-05 Thread Richard Gaskin
David V Glasgow wrote: > I PAID in advance for the Windows version, and then switched to > mTropolis. IIRC it trumpeted that it did not rely on a metaphor. > > Boy was I glad to get back to stacks & cards For me it's not even the "card metaphor" - we could call it a "form" like VB does or a "

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-05 Thread David V Glasgow
I PAID in advance for the Windows version, and then switched to mTropolis. IIRC it trumpeted that it did not rely on a metaphor. Boy was I glad to get back to stacks & cards David G > On 5 Oct 2016, at 2:03 am, Earthednet-wp wrote: > > I waited a year for the DOS version. It never came. T

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-04 Thread Earthednet-wp
I waited a year for the DOS version. It never came. Then I went to Director. Bill William Prothero http://es.earthednet.org > On Oct 4, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Bob Sneidar > wrote: > >> Agreed. I probably paid for the original Supercard and ab

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-04 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Agreed. I probably paid for the original Supercard and about 4 upgrades > over the years and never produced anything with it, but the ability to > continue working in a hypercard-like environment and wanting it to not go > the way of Hypercard

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-10-04 Thread Bob Sneidar
Agreed. I probably paid for the original Supercard and about 4 upgrades over the years and never produced anything with it, but the ability to continue working in a hypercard-like environment and wanting it to not go the way of Hypercard was enough to keep me on the gravy train. Bob S On Sep

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-09-22 Thread Richmond
Well, every time there is a new Supercard release I download the trial and, every time, I wonder why I do that. But I do the same sort of thing for HyperNEXT as well [ http://www.tigabyte.com ] so I'm obviously bonkers. I owned a copy of SuperCard in 1995 and really could never work out how to

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-09-22 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Richmond wrote: > I, personally, playing on my G5 running PPC 10.5, cannot for the life of > me see any obvious > advantages of Supercard over Livecode. It strikes me that this is probably > largely used by people > who have dug themselves into a Macintosh-only c

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-09-22 Thread stephen barncard
I was a hypercard ACE but my three purchases of Supercard over the years never got used. I found the whole system baffling, an annoying workflow. I always went back to HC. sqb Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA - mixstream.org On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Richmond wrote: > I, personal

Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-09-22 Thread Richmond
I, personally, playing on my G5 running PPC 10.5, cannot for the life of me see any obvious advantages of Supercard over Livecode. It strikes me that this is probably largely used by people who have dug themselves into a Macintosh-only corner. Richmond. On 22.09.2016 20:43, Dr. Hawkins wrote:

Supercard 4.8 public beta

2016-09-22 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On the other side of the fence . . . SupercCard just emailed me about their public beta for 4.8. Since it's mac only (again), I have no interest, and it apparently still doesn't have things I need from LC 5 (and I presume at least 4). (For that matter, the only things that I *really* need that we