Hi,
I went like:
Basic -- Pascal -- C -- Group Therapy and Counseling -- Visual
Basic -- Delphi -- REBOL -- Lisp/Scheme -- REALBasic --
Revolution \o/
Interesting! My language history was:
Assembler/More Assembler/More Assembler/Dartmouth Basic/Assembler/
MiniFORTRAN . . . FORTRAN 4 . . . BASIC 5 . . . ZILOG . . . PASCAL 5 . . .
BBC BASIC . . . HYPERCARD . . . SERF . . .TOOLBOOK . . .
METACARD / RUNTIME REVOLUTION.
Loads of 'sideways' forays into various unworkable RADs post HYPERCARD.
Really don't like HyperStudio at all.
Actively dislike
Just to confuse you, my own experience may introduce a third
perspective. I was a programmer in the heroic days when all that was
available were barely symbolic machine code assemblers - I mean you
were lucky to be able to introduce a label that had a human-readable
name: at one point I
Dave wrote:
6. Lack of support, explain that RunRev will most likely do nothing to
help you figure out the above problems and you are pretty much at the
mercy of a voluntary mailing list.
Runtime provides free up and running tech support. For more in-depth
support, they offer a support
On 27 Jan 2009, at 16:09, J. Landman Gay wrote:
Dave wrote:
6. Lack of support, explain that RunRev will most likely do
nothing to help you figure out the above problems and you are
pretty much at the mercy of a voluntary mailing list.
Runtime provides free up and running tech support.
Dave wrote:
No, and if they can't spare 15 minutes to just *look* at a problem
after spending at least £1000 on consultancy then its really not
worth a light! I was told that it would cost me another £1000 just to
LOOK at the problem to which I said - well I won't repeat it, but I
think
Dear Dave,
I recall the incident you are referring to. In the interests of
accuracy, here are some facts regarding the matter:
1.) You wanted some custom work done, which was not related to fixing
a bug of any sort, but was a change to a feature.
2.) You asked us to quote for this work.
Richard Gaskin wrote:
I'm not clear, please help me understand: was that £1k paid to RunRev
for their consulting services?
It was in his response:
Did you purchase a support package?
No,
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Dave wrote:
There should be a big banner plastered across the top of it saying NO
GUARANTEED SUPPORT FOR THIS PRODUCT, SUPPORT IS VIA VOLUNTARY MAILING
LISTS AND FORUMS.
Well, it's somewhat guarded, but it's on the web site. First page under
Support at:
Dave wrote:
There should be a big banner plastered across the top of it saying NO
GUARANTEED SUPPORT FOR THIS PRODUCT, SUPPORT IS VIA VOLUNTARY MAILING
LISTS AND FORUMS.
But, er, that would be incorrect.
The RunRev support model is different from any of the other development
environments
If one wanted to learn C++, would there be anywhere near the support found
here? Or from the company itself? Is it the accessability, the friendliness
even
of Revolution, like HC before it (had to put that in), that makes one assume
there ought to be concomitant and extensive free support?
If
Hi,
Sorry, I should have been more clear.
On 27 Jan 2009, at 18:06, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Dave wrote:
No, and if they can't spare 15 minutes to just *look* at a
problem after spending at least £1000 on consultancy then its
really not worth a light! I was told that it would cost me
Hi Heather,
Nice of you to drop by for a chat.
On 27 Jan 2009, at 18:53, Heather Nagey wrote:
Dear Dave,
I recall the incident you are referring to. In the interests of
accuracy, here are some facts regarding the matter:
1.) You wanted some custom work done, which was not related to
On 27 Jan 2009, at 19:09, dunb...@aol.com wrote:
If one wanted to learn C++, would there be anywhere near the
support found
here? Or from the company itself? Is it the accessability, the
friendliness even
of Revolution, like HC before it (had to put that in), that makes
one assume
there
Why is that support issues seem to be taking over every thread lately
on this reflector, especially when they seem related to just one
person's interaction with Runrev?
It seems a better way to hand these is off-line (I sympathize
everyone's problems but they just are not going to get solved by
Hi,
On 27 Jan 2009, at 19:06, Ben Rubinstein wrote:
Dave wrote:
There should be a big banner plastered across the top of it saying
NO GUARANTEED SUPPORT FOR THIS PRODUCT, SUPPORT IS VIA VOLUNTARY
MAILING LISTS AND FORUMS.
But, er, that would be incorrect.
This has been my experience
Le 26 janv. 09 à 22:58, Judy Perry a écrit :
This could be really nice as a set of bookends, that is, a companion
piece
on new users who have never used anything else and Rev is their first
language (probably not as many of those people, though).
I'm loving your idea, though!
since this
On 27 Jan 2009, at 20:31, Neal Campbell wrote:
Why is that support issues seem to be taking over every thread lately
on this reflector, especially when they seem related to just one
person's interaction with Runrev?
It seems a better way to hand these is off-line (I sympathize
everyone's
On 27 Jan 2009, at 20:38, François Chaplais wrote:
Le 26 janv. 09 à 22:58, Judy Perry a écrit :
This could be really nice as a set of bookends, that is, a
companion piece
on new users who have never used anything else and Rev is their first
language (probably not as many of those people,
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Dave d...@looktowindward.com wrote:
if you were to buy a piece of equipment (say an Amplifier) for £1000 and
then a few months later went back to the shop for 15 mins advice on it and
they said it would cost £1000, would you shop there again?
If I only had a
PLEASE END THIS THREADmake it stop
enough already. the points have been made. We're way into dead horse mode.
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On 27 Jan 2009, at 21:14, Chipp Walters wrote:
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Dave d...@looktowindward.com wrote:
if you were to buy a piece of equipment (say an Amplifier) for
£1000 and
then a few months later went back to the shop for 15 mins advice
on it and
they said it would cost
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Dave d...@looktowindward.com wrote:
If you were to buy £1000 of consultancy or software from a company and then
a few months later went back to the company for 15 mins advice and they said
it would cost £1000, would you go back to that company?
This is done
On 27 Jan 2009, at 21:53, Chipp Walters wrote:
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Dave d...@looktowindward.com wrote:
If you were to buy £1000 of consultancy or software from a company
and then
a few months later went back to the company for 15 mins advice and
they said
it would cost
I can wholeheartedly agree with this. Runrev has worked with me for
free to resolve a few problems I have had. Most were problems in my
own code or setup.
They have provided a tremendous level of support to me and I have
never seen that from any other company that I have ever dealt with in
OK, I'm sorry. I missed the part where you are saying RunRev tried to charge
you $1,414.00 for 15 minutes of consulting. If that is the case, then shame
on RunRev. If not, then shame on you for suggesting such.
-Chipp
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Dave d...@looktowindward.com wrote:
On 27
Dave,
If RunRev quoted you £1000, then they obviously felt you needed more
than 15 minutes of advice. Perhaps your own estimation of their work
is a bit off. Just a thought. It's a bummer and I've disagreed with a
vendor more than once, but it's not your estimate that matters - it's
ROTFL MAO
On Jan 27, 2009, at 4:59 PM, Dave wrote:
If I only had a nickel for every time I heard someone using law firm
vs
software as arguments. Software and law firms are completely
different.
Simplistic metaphors like these work only in simple minds.
ROFL!
Update: Law firms are consultancies. Duh!Glad to see you're having fun with
this :-)
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Hi,
Well, to be fair, I think that:
a) The £1000.00 was just to make me go away - which succeeded quite
nicely!
and
b) The £1000.00 was to actually do the work, (which, incidentally,
had the same effect as point a!). I reckon it wouldn't take more than
an hour or two. In fact if I had
Dave,
FWIW and hopefully this helps a little. As an independent developer, I
will often bill for work in increments as small as $100, depending on
the job and the client. If I were working for a consultancy, my time
would probably never be billed out in increments less than $1000.
Here
Hi Dave,
b) The £1000.00 was to actually do the work, (which,
incidentally, had the same effect as point a!). I reckon it
wouldn't take more than an hour or two. In fact if I had the
code then I'd be willing to bet it wouldn't take me more than
30 mins to add the code and test it.
Dare
On 27 Jan 2009, at 22:37, Dave wrote:
Hi,
Well, to be fair, I think that:
a) The £1000.00 was just to make me go away - which succeeded
quite nicely!
That may be what you think. It doesn't make it the truth - which it
isn't.
and
b) The £1000.00 was to actually do the work,
Hi Lynn,
On 27 Jan 2009, at 23:14, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
Hi Dave,
b) The £1000.00 was to actually do the work, (which,
incidentally, had the same effect as point a!). I reckon it
wouldn't take more than an hour or two. In fact if I had the
code then I'd be willing to bet it wouldn't take me
The problem was in a Password protected stack in the IDE. If the stack in
question had not been protected then I'd have changed it myself and posted
it to anyone that wanted it. All that needed to happen was for someone at
RunRev that had just the basic skill to unlock the stack, look at the
Dave,
Unfortunately businesses just don't work like this. RunRev probably
doesn't have someone at the pay grade you desire (a rudimentary
knowledge of RunRev) with a spare hour of time a la carte to bill
for. And no matter what the client says, they don't (and shouldn't) do
work and just
I'm considering putting an article together for revJournal.com about the
joys and pitfalls of learning Rev from the perspective of those who
already had proficiency in at least one other language before giving Rev
a try.
The challenge here is that I've been using Rev so long that I'm close to
Another way to go with this could be to write 10 or so simple utility
functions, and show how they would be written in each of your selected
languages.
Obviously Hello World, then build from there.
On Jan 26, 2009, at 3:04 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
I'm considering putting an article
Generic wrote:
Another way to go with this could be to write 10 or so simple utility
functions, and show how they would be written in each of your selected
languages.
Obviously Hello World, then build from there.
That would also be a good read, and I may pursue that. Thanks for the idea.
Richard Gaskin wrote:
I'm considering putting an article together for revJournal.com about the
joys and pitfalls of learning Rev from the perspective of those who
already had proficiency in at least one other language before giving Rev
a try.
What a great idea! I hope you get lots of
This could be really nice as a set of bookends, that is, a companion piece
on new users who have never used anything else and Rev is their first
language (probably not as many of those people, though).
I'm loving your idea, though!
Judy
http://revined.blogspot.com
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 12:04
I went like:
Basic -- Pascal -- C -- Group Therapy and Counseling -- Visual
Basic -- Delphi -- REBOL -- Lisp/Scheme -- REALBasic --
Revolution \o/
:D
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Judy Perry katheryn.swynf...@gmail.com wrote:
This could be really nice as a set of bookends, that is, a
Andre Garzia wrote:
I went like:
Basic -- Pascal -- C -- Group Therapy and Counseling -- Visual
Basic -- Delphi -- REBOL -- Lisp/Scheme -- REALBasic --
Revolution \o/
:D
You sound like a perfect candidate. I hope you can find a few moments to
send even a brief write-up of your early Rev
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