Alex Tweedly wrote:
Alex, that's a valuable itemization. I've copied it below in its
entirety because it's worth a second read.
Has it been logged as a request to BZ? It would be great to see those
addressed.
This seems like an opportunity here for someone who's worked
successfully with
Richard Gaskin wrote:
comments on the externals SDK... snipped
Has it been logged as a request to BZ? It would be great to see those
addressed.
No, it hasn't - but only because Mark has seen it, and responded to me,
and I've sent him more suggestions directly, ... and so I'm comfortable
Sorry - this was sent yesterday, and has been held up by problems
contacting RunRev site - trying again
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 22:38:50 +0100
From: Alex Tweedly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: compileIt for revolution?
Jon wrote:
Derek:
Let's put it differently. My real interest
Alex:
An excellent post, explaining the theory, showing actual results, and
summarizing pros and cons. Thank you!
Jon
===
Jon wrote:
Let's put it differently. My real interest is in seeing how to optimize
Rev code to access arrays in general, and image data in specific, as
rapidly as
Derek,
The reason C is popular is because it is cross-platform...
Sorry, just my 2 c's...
cheers
Xavier
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Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 18:32
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: compileIt
The file doesn't appear to be accessible within RevOnline. I get an
error message file-not-found when I try it. If the code in question
is of a manageable size and format (no really long lines) then
posting it here is likely the best option. Otherwise (and in any
case), can you re-upload
Geoff:
I already posted a message saying that you can find the stack at
www.jonbondy.com/jlbimage.rev. Another poster noted that the code has
errors in it, and wondered if the code was current. I pointed out
that I gave up on Rev for this particular application when it proved to
be too
Geoff Canyon wrote:
The file doesn't appear to be accessible within RevOnline. I get an
error message file-not-found when I try it. If the code in question
is of a manageable size and format (no really long lines) then
posting it here is likely the best option. Otherwise (and in any
Alex Tweedly wrote:
There's a problem with RevOnline. Here's the central part of Jon's code
Right now I'm working on converting Jon's code to C to include within an
external. But if anyone happens to know of an easier way, or of an
External that already does this...and cares to share...then
Derek:
First off, thanks for your help.
Secondly, why convert it to C? I have already written it in
Delphi/Pascal. The whole point was to make something that was
cross-platform. If you create an external on your platform (Window?
Mac), would it automatically work on the other platforms?
Jon wrote:
First off, thanks for your help.
Not a problem.
Secondly, why convert it to C? I have already written it in
Delphi/Pascal. The whole point was to make something that was
cross-platform. If you create an external on your platform (Window?
Mac), would it automatically work on
Derek:
Let's put it differently. My real interest is in seeing how to optimize
Rev code to access arrays in general, and image data in specific, as
rapidly as possible.
If I wanted to code a DLL to do the processing, I know how to do that
(theoretically). I was looking at Rev as a way to
Jon wrote:
So, if you want to port my Rev code to C, please feel free to do so, but
it would not be solving the original problem I wanted to solve
(optimizing Rev code).
I feel the same way you do. I've always been a fan on Transcript and
how easy it is for me to comprehend and it's
Maybe there was one better than Mark's!
GRIN
On Jun 24, 2005, at 2:30 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Jerry Daniels wrote:
I thought Tom Pittman did a very good job of maintaining the purity
of HyperTalk when he did CompileIt! Any future efforts could stand on
his shoulders in that regard.
Just
Jon wrote:
I already posted the code and announced it on this list: look for my
image processor in my user space, open a large image (at least
1000x1000), select Bright, and then Linear.
Jon - I got an error trying to download your stack from RevOnline.
Did you try to upload it (or change
I already posted the code and announced it on this list: look for my
image processor in my user space, open a large image (at least
1000x1000), select Bright, and then Linear.
I look forward to seeing what you optimists ... er ... optimizers come
up with!
:)
Jon
Geoff Canyon wrote:
On
At 1:09 PM -0600 6/24/2005, Dar Scott wrote:
On Jun 24, 2005, at 12:42 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote:
However, the repeat with i = form being slower than the repeat for each
was news to me!
It should be mentioned in the docs. (And probably is and I don't know where.)
In the dictionary for the
I sent this message Saturday, and it just came back to me as bounced
(because the list-server was off-line).
So here it is again - with an addendum ...
Geoff Canyon wrote:
On Jun 24, 2005, at 4:26 AM, Jon wrote:
With all due respect, Jim, if you are trying to do even simple math
On Jun 26, 2005, at 4:01 PM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:
It should be mentioned in the docs. (And probably is and I don't
know where.)
In the dictionary for the repeat control structure. ;-)
I thought it would be, but when I skimmed over that, I missed it.
Dar
How about this:
on eq @x,y -- note x is by reference
put y into x
end eq
You can use that in the order you asked for like this:
on mouseUp
put 0 into b
eq b,7
put b -- puts 7
eq b,b+3
put b -- puts 10
end mouseUp
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use-revolution
On Jun 22, 2005, at 4:52 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
And as Geoff Canyon discovered, you can go one step further by
drawing all polygons as a single object, but just including a blank
line in the points property wherever you want a discontiguous object.
Actually, I think Tuviah told me that
Geoff Canyon wrote:
On Jun 22, 2005, at 4:52 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
And as Geoff Canyon discovered, you can go one step further by
drawing all polygons as a single object, but just including a blank
line in the points property wherever you want a discontiguous object.
Actually, I
Hello,
Slow code can be written in any language. Transcript makes it very
easy to write code, but also very easy to write slow code.
Could you, please, give us (newbies/intermediate scriptesr) some
examples of fast/slow script code ?
Thanks,
Christian L.
Le 24 juin 05 à 09:27,
Hi Christian,
Le 24 juin 05 à 10:21, Langers Christian a écrit :
Could you, please, give us (newbies/intermediate scriptesr) some
examples of fast/slow script code ?
They would be too many :-)
In fact, the problem is often more an architecture issue than a
simple code issue.
But here is
How about this:
on eq @x,y -- note x is by reference
put y into x
end eq
You can use that in the order you asked for like this:
on mouseUp
put 0 into b
eq b,7
put b -- puts 7
eq b,b+3
put b -- puts 10
end mouseUp
Does Transcript allow pointers?!?
If so, big news to me (new
Thanks for your answer,
Keep in mind that to answer correctly your request, this post
should be a 300 pages book :-)
Wouldn't it be time to write that book ? ;-)
I see a little bit better how to optimize my scripts...
Perhaps, I will find more infos in the online scripting conferences ?
writing
spaghetti code, STOP, go back to step 1.
Jim
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Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 12:12 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: compileIt for revolution?
This whole discussion has been revealing
I think such a book should make a distinction between
slow/fast code in general, and specific Transcript tricks
to speed up (or to avoid slowing down) your code.
Regarding the later, you can check the following url :
that some people who write books are clueless.
Jon, in hyper-curmudgeon mode
Eric Engle wrote:
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Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:15:28 -0400
From: Mikey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: compileIt for Revolution?
To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
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Le 23 juin 05 à 20:20, Eric Engle a écrit :
xTalk is a scripting language which is clearly derived from Pascal.
I never think of that...
Is it a real scoop I missed since 20 years, only bad news or a weird
analysis from some keyhole journalism?
:-)
Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
Geoff:
If anyone wants to try to help me speed optimize my image processing
loops, download the obvious program from my user space. Load an image
of your choice (but hopefully larger than your screen, to be realistic),
then select Brightness, then Linear.
Let the optimization wars begin!
milliseconds of difference.
Believe me, over 25 years of programming experience bears this out.
Jim
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: compileIt for revolution?
With all due
On Jun 24, 2005, at 2:19 AM, Eric Engle wrote:
on eq @x,y -- note x is by reference
put y into x
end eq
You can use that in the order you asked for like this:
on mouseUp
put 0 into b
eq b,7
put b -- puts 7
eq b,b+3
put b -- puts 10
end mouseUp
Does Transcript allow
Although there may be changes possible that could reduce the need for
externals, I believe there will always be good reasons to use externals.
I think the current mechanism used by Rev to do interface to externals
is missing an opportunity, and indeed is inelegant (or unaesthetic),
because it
Dan,
Perhaps we are in perfect agreement, just expressing it differently...
I could not argue with the way you have expressed it here.
Dennis
On Jun 24, 2005, at 1:09 AM, Dan Shafer wrote:
Dennis.
You make some excellent points. I don't think that *my* programming
needs should drive
Alex Tweedly a *crit :
I think the current mechanism used by Rev to do interface to externals
is missing an opportunity, and indeed is inelegant (or unaesthetic),
because it forces the interface - and hence the calling Transcript code
- to be different from what it would be if the
Well, _my_ understanding of the online scripting conferences is that they
are intended towards newbies; thus they are more about basic functionality
and how-to use Rev as opposed to code optimization.
Am I wrong Jacque?
Judy
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005, Langers Christian wrote:
Perhaps, I will find
/slow code example (was: Re: compileIt for revolution?)
Hi Christian,
Le 24 juin 05 à 10:21, Langers Christian a écrit :
Could you, please, give us (newbies/intermediate scriptesr) some
examples of fast/slow script code ?
They would be too many :-)
In fact, the problem is often more
On Jun 24, 2005, at 12:42 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote:
However, the repeat with i = form being slower than the repeat for
each
was news to me!
Upon reflection, you might have wondered about that.
The key is that the first uses 'line i of x' in the loop. The length
of time to get this value
Paul,
My thoughts pretty much mirror your own, Paul.
First step is environment independent code for parsing, arrays,
calculations.
No timeline or cost on this yet. Still seeing who's interested.
-JD
On Jun 23, 2005, at 5:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jerry,
Assuming there is
Dan,
I thought Tom Pittman did a very good job of maintaining the purity of
HyperTalk when he did CompileIt! Any future efforts could stand on his
shoulders in that regard.
-JD
On Jun 23, 2005, at 7:26 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
If you can write externals in Transcript syntax and NOT
Jerry Daniels wrote:
I thought Tom Pittman did a very good job of maintaining the purity of
HyperTalk when he did CompileIt! Any future efforts could stand on his
shoulders in that regard.
Just get an interface more like Mark Hanrek's please. :)
So much faster, so much simpler
--
From: Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[...]
Then my second favorite language was Python. The GUI-building tools
for Python are pathetic to non-existent. But the language is powerful
and elegant and extends naturally. If the PythonCard project I was
engaged in before I discovered Revolution had been
On Jun 23, 2005, at 10:09 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
Verbosity is a virtue in my mind. Not only does it make code more
readable and therefore maintainable, but I can't tell you how many
times I've just sort of guessed at what command or property change
might have some desired effect only to
On Jun 24, 2005, at 4:26 AM, Jon wrote:
With all due respect, Jim, if you are trying to do even simple math
on a large array of numbers (like computing a histogram of image
data), Rev is simply too slow to use. It has nothing to do with
data structures: it has to do with slow pCode
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 03:23
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: compileIt for revolution?
Richard Gaskin wrote:
Derek Bump wrote:
If one who knows C and could figure out some sort of Transcript
wrapper, then it would be possible. There are many freeware and
public
Dan-
Wednesday, June 22, 2005, 8:38:36 PM, you wrote:
DS I have a hard time seeing where you and I disagree here. I think
DS we're saying the same thing differently.
Ah... that may be. But I'm pushing *for* a generic external interface,
and you're arguing against it.
--
-Mark Wieder
[EMAIL
on Wed, 22 Jun 2005
Richard Gaskin wrote:
With only 27 keywords in the language, the learning
requirement for implementing those sorts of
algorithms in C is arguably much lower, and
there are infinitely more resources available to get
one started with C than with CompileItSpeak.
For
Dan, et al,
programming language that is everything to everyone is nothing to
anyone.
Not if it does the job. (You'd really like to switch between different
programming environments to create bits and pieces of an
application?) Isn't C a programming language that is everything to
Richard, et al:
So instead CompileIt! had its own unique syntax and hundreds of symbols
one could use to implement things that were algorithmically very much like
one would do in Pascal or C. Of course this required a whole other level
of knowledge, and for those symbols related to the Mac
Try not to get your knickers in a twist. In case you haven't noticed,
hypertalk/transcript is clearly a Pascal derived language, they just got rid
of
begin/end, loosely typed it, and made the operator of affectation verbose.
ROTFL/ OMG that's funny. Don't forget scoping, and the overarching
spaghetti code, STOP, go back to step 1.
Jim
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To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: compileIt for revolution?
This whole discussion has been revealing
Mikey wrote:
Try not to get your knickers in a twist. In case you haven't noticed,
hypertalk/transcript is clearly a Pascal derived language, they just got rid of
begin/end, loosely typed it, and made the operator of affectation verbose.
ROTFL/ OMG that's funny.
FWIW, I've read that
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Try not to get your knickers
CompileIt! lovers and haters...
YESTERDAY
I would have to agree with Rob, here. I used CompileIt! to the point
where I made a small C app that RAN externals only and I would get
CompileIt! to compile into that app (called HyperApp). I then wrote a
front end (in CompileIt!) to write and
Eric-
Thursday, June 23, 2005, 11:20:16 AM, you wrote:
EE There's even an entire article on macTech Comparing HyperTalk to Pascal
which
EE says,
EE Both Pascal and HyperTalk provide powerful if-then-else control structures
EE with very similar syntax.
EE The specification and calling of user
Jerry,
Assuming there is sufficient interest what is the first step, and what
would THAT cost?
I'm thinking that the initial ScriptCompiler (or some better name) would just
turn Transcript into machine code. This would be of interest to me (hopefully
others) who want to put guarded code in
Maybe that's what I ended up doing but it was accidental!
Maybe I fell asleep at some point.
My argument is NOT against the ability to build externals to do
whatever one wishes to do, including platform-specific things if you
want to make your life more complicated and miserable or if you
If you can write externals in Transcript syntax and NOT over-extend
the language to accommodate this demand, I don't have an issue. But
that is not generally the case. When people talk about writing
externals they generally (in my experience at least) mean they want
to make the tool do
Dan,
Rev is chock full of stuff that I will never use. Perhaps half or
more of the commands are irrelevant to my needs. However, I see on
this list folks that love those irrelevant things in their
applications. You have your ideas about the kind of applications you
want to use Rev
Dan,
That's what I got from the first post, exactly. I tend to agree with
your statement and your logic is sound. (not that you need me to say
so)
I just wanted to agree to this and don't want to see Rev changed in
another direction.
Thanks
Tom
On Jun 23, 2005, at 8:20 PM, Dan Shafer
Rob Cozens wrote:
I'm really sorry your experience with CompileIt! was such that you
didn't get it.
I believe got it: I wrote a few dozen externals with it, bundled 'em up
into a commercial product, and they paid my rent for a year.
While I enjoyed it (or more specifically, Mark Hanrek's
Dennis.
You make some excellent points. I don't think that *my* programming
needs should drive the direction of the language or the tool. And I'm
certainly not opposed even to *major* extensions and enhancements of
the language. My only real sticking point is that if and when new
Dan-
No argument from me on that. Maybe I was the one who fell asleep, but
I didn't think anyone was arguing for features that would break the
cross-platform functionality in that way. If so, that's one of those
threads I'm not even going to bother getting involved in.
--
-Mark Wieder
[EMAIL
MisterX wrote:
[ about the need for more speed for some things ]
Example: The HotKeyN2O stack stores all properties of all
controls in a card when the user opens the card. The props
are all in array form which cannot be stored into another
array (time based array of object changes). So for
,
Creating apps with rev has NOTHING to do with compileIt.
I really would like to speed up some scripts to manipulate
arrays (where rev has some serious limitations) and the best
possible way to do that would be to have something like
CompileIt.
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to
manipulate
arrays (where rev has some serious limitations)
and the best
possible way to do that would be to have
something like
CompileIt.
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I have spoke with a few individuals in regards to creating a utility for
Revolution that would convert Transcript to C. Unfortunately, I know
little of C and the individuals I talked with were not ready to start a
project such as what you want.
But...it is possible.
If one who knows C and
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Subject: Re: compileIt for revolution?
MisterX wrote:
[ about the need for more speed for some things ]
Example: The HotKeyN2O stack stores all properties of all
controls in a
card when the user opens the card. The props are all in array form
22, 2005 11:48 AM
Subject: compileIt for revolution?
Is there any chance that Heizer/Royalsoft (or anyone else for that
matter) will
make a script compiler for revolution like compileIt?
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Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 15:40
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Dan,
I also would like to speed up array processing. It kills me
that my friend won't move from VB to Rev
Dan Shafer wrote:
How in the world would you expect a compiled script or handler -- if
such a thing were possible -- to then be smoothly integrated into a
stand-alone app?
Seems trivial to me: that's what traditional object code libraries and
DLLs are for.
As for performance, tuning
Revolution
Subject: Re: compileIt for revolution?
I have spoke with a few individuals in regards to creating a
utility for Revolution that would convert Transcript to C.
Unfortunately, I know little of C and the individuals I
talked with were not ready to start a project such as what you want
Total agreement...
Gordon Webster wrote:
I would absolutely echo what Dennis has just said. I
was initially really impressed with rev and I should
say I still am in certain respects - comfort and ease
of use, the elegant and intuitive language and
stack/card paradigm etc. etc.
But I have been
]
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Derek Bump
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 16:19
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: compileIt for revolution?
I have spoke with a few individuals in regards to creating a
utility for Revolution that would convert Transcript to C.
Unfortunately, I
Mr. X, et al:
The whole compileIT is not required but an internal module to create
ultra-fast native code would be great. Now that would be a programmer's tool
worth any eye candy in RunRev.
Add access to system calls, and you have my support.
Rob Cozens
Wisdom entereth not into a malicious
have these uses for it where Rev just doesn't can't
perform fast enough.
cheers
Xavier
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I
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I would absolutely echo what Dennis has just said. I was
initially really impressed with rev and I should say I still
:14
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: compileIt for revolution?
I would absolutely echo what Dennis has just said.
I was
initially really impressed with rev and I should
say I still
am in certain respects - comfort and ease of use,
the elegant
and intuitive language
I think the issue here is an elegant and efficient way to interface
with externals. If we had this, it would solve both problems. When
I say efficient, I don't mean pass a 100MB array as a text string to
an external that converts it to numbers than does some processing and
converts back
Transcript/Rev aren't a general-purpose environment. There's
a whole class of apps for which they are ideally suited.
There are also many for which it's not the right tool. I'm in
favor of continuing to make it do what it does do better and better.
I suspect you are, too, so I'm not
The simplest possibility for the external route would be to be able to
pass (and use) to and from the external, handles to large RAM-based
sets of floating-point numbers; that was the solution I used in
Hypercard back when the Earth was still cooling, and it worked very
well.
On 22-Jun-05,
John,
I actually had a complete matrix algebra package as an external for
Hypercard. I know how to use it, because I cut my teeth on APL. I
implemented my complex algorithms and state machines in it. The
coding was cumbersome, and it was difficult to debug and handle edge
conditions,
If you are mostly writing for yourself, you can, of course, use RR to
produce a nice GUI, but pass all the time critical computations to, say
Matlab (or Octave, Matlab's GNU equivalent) using the shell commands.
But then, if that were the case, why not just use Matlab (or Octave)
directly?
On Jun 22, 2005, at 1:45 PM, Dr.John R.Vokey wrote:
The simplest possibility for the external route would be to be able to
pass (and use) to and from the external, handles to large RAM-based
sets of floating-point numbers; that was the solution I used in
Hypercard back when the Earth was
Not forgetting, Brian, just discounting. :-D
Fair enough. For me, that was the only reason to use CompileIt. Speed
of ordinary scripts felt like something I wanted to deal with
algorithmically rather than by compiling. After all, compiling the same
algorithm was probably going to have less
Dennis.
You may well be right. But the definition of this Achilles heel
varies all over the map. Revolution is not the best programming
language for all classes of problem. Those who choose not to see it
as a real programming language because of one perceived lack will
often just
John,
I am not writing just for myself, I use a Mac and my friend uses a PC
and he also has to be able to run my stuff. I do not have the budget
for Matlab, etc., etc. I buy everything out of my own pocket. I am
constrained to exactly what is good about Rev.
Dennis
On Jun 22, 2005,
Precisely my earlier point.
Rev is not for everything.
If you have an app that needs to engage in this kind of esoteric
processing, then you probably need to pick a different tool either
for the entire app or to create a whiz-bang external that does this
kind of processing fast enough
I support the notion of making integration of non-platform-specific
externals easier.
But Rev's biggest win for me other than high-performance coding is
cross-platform compatibility and I'm opposed to platform-specific
extensions that either break or cause me to write painful conditional
This whole discussion has been revealing and intriguing to me.
My favorite programming language is Smalltalk. But before it was
possible to create UIs for Smalltalk without writing code, I found it
cumbersome. When a product called WindowBuilder came along, I felt
like we'd achieved the
Yes, as long as the constant conversion isn't required; I used handles
both within Hypercard and in the XTHNGs, along with two conversion
routines (compile hc variables into a floating-point array, and convert
a floating-point array into a hc variable); the conversion routines
were used
Dan-
Wednesday, June 22, 2005, 3:11:38 PM, you wrote:
DS Two aphorisms came to mind as I read this entire thread again today.
DS One is, No good programmer uses only one tool for everything.
DS The other is, It's a poor workman who blames his tools.
Or, possibly more apropos,
No good
Dan-
Wednesday, June 22, 2005, 3:05:06 PM, you wrote:
DS The way rev implements the OS X-specific stuff is right. On Windows,
DS it is just ignored. It doesn't break and the app still runs.
Here's where I think you're off base on this, Dan.
I'd like to see runrev spend their time fixing bugs
Dennis-
Wednesday, June 22, 2005, 1:47:25 PM, you wrote:
DB John,
DB I actually had a complete matrix algebra package as an external for
DB Hypercard. I know how to use it, because I cut my teeth on APL. I
DB implemented my complex algorithms and state machines in it. The
DB coding was
Derek Bump wrote:
If one who knows C and could figure out some sort of Transcript
wrapper, then it would be possible. There are many freeware and
public domain compilers out there, but finding one that successfully
compiles DLLs for Revolution is seemingly difficult. I've been trying
for a
MisterX wrote:
Gordon,
Beware that even i surprise myself with newby tricks.
I just posted a slow fractal moire maker. It creates beautiful patterns
and the detail is amazing but it does so creating some 4 graphics in a
card. For the truely beautiful patterns, it took 30 graphics! The
Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote:
i have the patience to create these graphics and see them rendered. But when
it comes to getting rid of them, no way! And the clearGraphics routine took
foreever! 200 graphics per second... You do the math - many minutes wasted
waiting to create a better
Scott Rossi wrote:
Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote:
i have the patience to create these graphics and see them rendered. But when
it comes to getting rid of them, no way! And the clearGraphics routine took
foreever! 200 graphics per second... You do the math - many minutes wasted
waiting to
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