John Henry Xu wrote:
Now I can focus on my job and be more productive by not having to write getters and setters manually.
Only when I wrote million line codes I realized how insane to write something
machine can produce perfectly to you.
The choice of a methodology like Model Driven
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Objet : Re: Struts vs .NET???
John Henry Xu wrote the following on 7/2/2005 6:43 AM:
Is writting
lots of getters and setters manually the most productive way in real
projects?
You keep coming back to this getters and setters thing:) Like I said any
editor (even
Okay, okay, Reumann. Do you want to be right or do you want to be
loving? ///;-) Xu really is not all that atuned to computer stuff,
even though he is a computer journalist, so you might take him on as
your grasshopper? ///;-)
On 7/5/05, Rick Reumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John Henry Xu
)
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From: Dakota Jack
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET???
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 07:54:18 -0700
Okay, okay, Reumann. Do you want to be right or do you want to be
loving? ///;-) Xu really is not all that atuned to computer stuff,
even though
03, 2005 1:54 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: J2EE vs .Net (was Struts vs .NET???)
Your discussion of a struts signature shows once again you don't
have a clue beyond fairly simple amateur topics, Xu.
On 7/2/05, John Henry Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank Yan Hu for giving
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RE: J2EE vs .Net (was Struts vs .NET???)
Can you guys start marking this topic OT?
Seems like someone from PR is getting paid to hijack
On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 03:15:38PM -0700, Dakota Jack wrote:
} I didn't ask how Mono runs on Apple, did I?
No, you asked how C# runs on Apple. The only .NET runtime and C# compiler
than I know of that supports MacOS X (which is what I believe you mean by
Apple) is Mono. Therefore, C# runs on
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Subject: RE: J2EE vs .Net (was Struts vs .NET???)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 08:28:57 -0500
Can you guys start marking this topic OT?
Seems like someone from PR is getting paid to hijack this mail
group. Can some of the seasoned guys
Dave Newton wrote the following on 7/2/2005 4:06 PM:
Gregory Seidman wrote:
On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 02:16:49AM +0200, Leon Rosenberg wrote:
} Heh, } } I hate this kind of discussion...
} } Maybe you are the fastest keyboard user on the world...
} } I want to see you refactoring a method, lets
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Rick Reumann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Juli 2005 19:59
An: Struts Users Mailing List
Betreff: Re: Struts vs .NET???
...
Again I'm not huge fan of IDEs that get in your way, and if not for
.(dot) completion and refactoring
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Rick Reumann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Juli 2005 19:59
An: Struts Users Mailing List
Betreff: Re: Struts vs .NET???
...
Again I'm not huge fan of IDEs that get in your way, and if not for
.(dot) completion and refactoring
Leon Rosenberg wrote:
Another superb features of an ide (at least eclipse has it):
All good points Leon. Since I like UltraEdit so much, I thought it
might be worth it to tell you how I do these things, and which ones I
can't readily duplicate...
- Search: who's calling this method /
John Henry Xu wrote the following on 7/2/2005 6:43 AM:
Is writting
lots of getters and setters manually the most productive way in real
projects?
You keep coming back to this getters and setters thing:) Like I said any
editor (even vim:) can create getters and setters. I take it you think
Replying changing the subject so people don't think this is a struts vs
.net debate... I'm still curious what John Henry is talking about with
this GUI and less lines of code concept.. my comments below...
John Henry Xu wrote the following on 7/2/2005 6:43 AM:
Is writting lots of getters
John Henry Xu wrote the following on 7/2/2005 9:50 PM:
Jack H. Xu
Technology columnist and editor
http://www.usanalyst.com
Hey cool site! John/Jack(?) I really like the way the articles are
presented. I love clear step by step approaches! The one on web services
looks great.
--
Rick
] some props John/Jack (WAS) Re: Struts vs .NET???
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 16:42:10 -0400
John Henry Xu wrote the following on 7/2/2005 9:50 PM:
Jack H. Xu
Technology columnist and editor
http://www.usanalyst.com
Hey cool site! John/Jack(?) I really like the way
Actually, this did not help me at all. I understand that differences,
etc. I just wondered what you thought, since I thought your
conclusions were contrary to the facts.
On 7/3/05, Gregory Seidman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 11:48:37PM -0700, Dakota Jack wrote:
} What is
And how does C# run on Apple? LOL
On 7/2/05, Gregory Seidman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 04:41:38AM -0700, Nitish Kumar wrote:
} With all due respect to every one (including microsoft).. the advantage of
} .NET is nothing but a IDE which is idiot proof.
} Any dumb can do
Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET???
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 05:28:02 -0700
You only have this experience because you clearly do not even see
what te framework does for you. If you don't see that, you see
nothing.
On 7/2/05, John Henry Xu wrote:
The lines with Struts
What is your basis for your assessment of .NET and Struts? What sort
of problem are you talking about/
On 7/2/05, Gregory Seidman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 03:32:00AM +0200, Leon Rosenberg wrote:
} Btw... Can you name 10 successful .NET sites? Something clearly above 100
and editor
http://www.usanalyst.com
http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America)
- Original Message -
From: Leon Rosenberg
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: Re:J2EE vs .Net (was Struts vs .NET???)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 19:21:05 +0200
: Re:J2EE vs .Net (was Struts vs .NET???)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 11:20:30 -0700 (PDT)
www.verizonwireless.com uses Struts... Check it out.. The site is
slow. However, I do not think it
has anything to with Struts. Struts has a relatively simple and
clean structure. If a site that
uses
-Original Message-
. . .
What makes you think http://wiki.apache.org/struts/PoweredBy is a struts
site? Don't give wrong information.
. . .
Technology columnist and editor
-/Original Message -
No wonder I have such a low consideration for technology columns and their
writers...
2 more Struts sites to add to the list
(http://wiki.apache.org/struts/StrutsWebLinks):
http://www.iberia.com/
https://caixadirecta.cgd.pt/ (bank)
Of course I cannot be sure but it sure seems like it :)
PS
On 03/07/2005 09:44, Jesse Alexander (KBSA 21)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org
Subject: Re: J2EE vs .Net (was Struts vs .NET???)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 23:54:12 -0700
Your discussion of a struts signature shows once again you don't
have a clue beyond fairly simple amateur topics, Xu
On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 11:34:44PM -0700, Dakota Jack wrote:
} And how does C# run on Apple? LOL
See http://www.mono-project.com/
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From: Jesse Alexander (KBSA 21) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org
Subject: RE: Re: Struts vs .NET???
Date
Pardon my intrusion,
I just came home from a job trip, and saw more than 100 messages about
struts vs .net, and I was not able to read all the messages.
I just want to tell my opinion on this topic:
I use both Struts and .NET for my job.. Well.. Stuts for my opensource
development and .NET
content.
(mobile) 617-852-7822
(http)www.laconiadatasystems.com
From: Simone - Dev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' user@struts.apache.org
Subject: R: Struts vs .NET???
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 16:54:39 +0200
MIME
Von: Dave Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juli 2005 22:07
An: Struts Users Mailing List
Betreff: Re: Struts vs .NET???
...
Ooo, I'll hafta disagree on both of these.
A) Renaming something to better describe its function isn't a
crime or bad design; sometimes
Von: Dave Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juli 2005 22:07
An: Struts Users Mailing List
Betreff: Re: Struts vs .NET???
...
Ooo, I'll hafta disagree on both of these.
A) Renaming something to better describe its function isn't a
crime or bad design; sometimes
Simone - Dev wrote:
For my point of view the differences between the 2 platforms are nil...
(ok, one has that, the other has something else, but generally speaking
they are the same)
+1
While setting up Eclipse, to debug Struts application with Apache Tomcat
is a pain...
-1. It just
On 7/3/05, netsql [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you yealy think people on level of Craig, Husted, Clinton, Linus,
Marti C, etc. use painters? Or that you are not productive?
Guns don't kill. People kill. Tools don't matter. A good developer is
key, and you are not going to get one at $10.
columnist and editor
http://www.usanalyst.com
http://www.getusjobs.com (The lagest free job portal in North America)
- Original Message -
From: Rafael Taboada
To: Struts List
Subject: Struts vs .NET???
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:37:57 -0500
Hi folks I've been
Good lord, if you want a GUI tool, just make one. This is not a
response to Reumann who absolutely rocks but to those people who like
other people to code for them, i.e. the VB lovers and the like, like
JSF, .NET, etc.
On 7/1/05, Rick Reumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John Henry Xu wrote the
dollars.
Jack H. Xu
Technology columnist and editor
http://www.usanalyst.com
http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America)
- Original Message -
From: Rick Reumann
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET???
Date: Fri, 01
http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America)
- Original Message -
From: netsql
To: user@struts.apache.org
Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET???
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 18:30:31 -0700
Suppose your department used to spend 10 million
)
- Original Message -
From: Rick Reumann
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET???
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:35:31 -0400
John Henry Xu wrote the following on 6/30/2005 11:49 PM:
struts can fit into J2EE structure and it is only part
This is like comparing apples and oranges. The level of coding
knowledge in this thread is way low, way low.
On 7/1/05, Yan Hu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good point. Sometimes you want a Picaso, and sometimes you want a $10
painting.
How many people could afford Picaso? That is excatly
--- Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is like comparing apples and oranges. The level of coding
knowledge in this thread is way low, way low.
In fact, people were comparing J2EE with .NET. instead of Struts vs .NET since
they are apple and
orange.. The subject is misleading
Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET???
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:45:41 -0700
The lines with Struts are in fact less, because you don't have to
code
the framework.
On 7/1/05, John Henry Xu wrote:
Rick, you are right that you can write struts using very basic
?
Jack H. Xu
Technology columnist and editor
http://www.usanalyst.com
http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America)
- Original Message -
From: Dakota Jack
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET???
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:44:26 -0700
I agree w/ Dakota on this. Using a lines of code metric to measure
cost is about as valid as saying Well, gee, M$'s stock prices are way
higher than Sun's, so we should use .net! (Which, incidentally was
the approach used where I work. Scary.)
This thread is retarded. The intent is to decide
-Original Message-
From: John Henry Xu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 4:14 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET???
Dakota Jack wrote: Good lord, if you want a GUI tool, just make one.
D.J., I think a person doesn't need do all things
(I need to get faster at creating filters I guess...)
Sadly, that is the lie that the idiots are buying into.
Yes, the IDE helps you do simple things like create a table (Oooh, I
do not have to remember tr, td and th? Yipp!) or create a
form (Hmm, post vs get...I always have to look that
. Xu
Technology columnist and editor
http://www.usanalyst.com
http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America)
- Original Message -
From: Dakota Jack
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET???
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:45:41 -0700
tongue-in-cheekAnd he's not the fastest keyboard user in the world. I
am. This has been well-established in previous threads. Search the
archives./tongue-in-cheek
(In all seriousness, I did actually hold the informal record for typing
speed when I was in the Army, dunno if that still
On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 03:32:00AM +0200, Leon Rosenberg wrote:
} Btw... Can you name 10 successful .NET sites? Something clearly above 100
} Million PIs / month, better 1 billion PIs ?
} I'd be really interested :-)
I don't know that anyone keeps a list around, but this is a foolish
challenge to
Gregory Seidman wrote:
Of course, I can't make any guarantees on how much traffic these sites get.
They are, however, pretty popular.
This is a good list:
http://www.alexa.com/site/ds/top_500
So it this:
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/web_server_survey.html
In this 2nd you can see that
On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 04:41:38AM -0700, Nitish Kumar wrote:
} With all due respect to every one (including microsoft).. the advantage of
} .NET is nothing but a IDE which is idiot proof.
} Any dumb can do a few clicks followed by intelligent editor to prompt and
} spoon feed whats to be
Gregory Seidman wrote:
You clearly missed my post on the advantages C# has over Java
Clearly you are missing that we, users of Apache software, *don't care*
which is better. news flash: We use both.
A large chunk of people here also sigh up for iBatis DAO, we use both C#
and Java.
-
- Original Message -
From: Gregory Seidman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: user@struts.apache.org
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET???
On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 04:41:38AM -0700, Nitish Kumar wrote:
} With all due respect to every one (including microsoft).. the advantage
columnist and editor
http://www.usanalyst.com
http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America)
- Original Message -
From: Dakota Jack
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET???
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 05:28:02 -0700
You only have
. Juli 2005 18:30
An: Struts Users Mailing List
Betreff: Re: Struts vs .NET???
Dakota Jack,
Do you always accuse people don't understand framework if
they don't agree with you?
You need evidence to back up your claims. Show us some large
struts web sites you had/have worked on so we can
. Juli 2005 18:30
An: Struts Users Mailing List
Betreff: Re: Struts vs .NET???
Dakota Jack,
Do you always accuse people don't understand framework if
they don't agree with you?
You need evidence to back up your claims. Show us some large
struts web sites you had/have worked on so we can
)
- Original Message -
From: Leon Rosenberg
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: Re:J2EE vs .Net (was Struts vs .NET???)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 19:21:05 +0200
How large is large?
I could show you some, but I need to know, what you define as
large, to show
you
the right one.
Doesn't struts project itself has a success stories page anymore?
leon
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: John Henry Xu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juli 2005 18:30
An: Struts Users Mailing List
Betreff: Re: Struts vs .NET???
Dakota Jack
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To: Martin Gainty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET???
On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 10:31:02AM -0400, Martin Gainty wrote:
} Could you elucidate for me how .NET handles thread synchronisation?
} I ran into a situation where someone wanted
Message -
From: Yan Hu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org
Subject: Re:J2EE vs .Net (was Struts vs .NET???)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 11:20:30 -0700 (PDT)
www.verizonwireless.com uses Struts... Check it out.. The site is
slow. However, I do not think it
has
netsql wrote:
In my shop, GUI tools for Swing or UI, such as VS, are not allowed.
You must make UI handcoding it. You'll just have to take my word that
it's *MUCH* more productive to hand code a UI when you are building a
complex UI.
Usually more performant, too: it's easy to code a slow
Gregory Seidman wrote:
On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 02:16:49AM +0200, Leon Rosenberg wrote:
} Heh,
}
} I hate this kind of discussion...
}
} Maybe you are the fastest keyboard user on the world...
}
} I want to see you refactoring a method, lets say change the method name,
} with
John Henry Xu wrote:
I was working on Java until I became a manager.
AH-HA!
NOW we know what's going on here.
Money is the No. 1 factor for a owner/manager.
That's pathetic, and I would NEVER work for somebody with that opinion.
Dave
think most important?
Jack H. Xu
Technology columnist and editor
http://www.usanalyst.com
http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America)
- Original Message -
From: Dave Newton
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET???
Date: Sat, 02
John Henry Xu wrote:
So tell me what does the owner of your company think most important?
He is probably thinking how to get rid of ineffective managers.
What is your agenda, to come tell us your's is bigger?
There are plenty of large Struts sites, if that is what your aim was:
America)
- Original Message -
From: netsql
To: user@struts.apache.org
Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET???
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 19:56:23 -0700
John Henry Xu wrote:
So tell me what does the owner of your company think most
important?
He is probably
John Henry Xu wrote the following on 6/30/2005 11:49 PM:
struts can fit into J2EE structure and it is only part of it. And in
my opinion, you better use some GUI tools to develop struts
application, otherwise you spend lots of time on getters and setters.
Well even many of the most basic
Rick Reumann wrote:
John Henry Xu wrote the following on 6/30/2005 11:49 PM:
you spend lots of time on getters and setters.
You can use stuts w/ collections, maps, lists. I used to.
No need for beans (I used own baseBeans and got rid of it when I found
collections superior). For example muti
: netsql
To: user@struts.apache.org
Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET???
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 18:30:31 -0700
Suppose your department used to spend 10 million dollars a year,
now you need 15 million dollars to do the same work.
So good GUIs to automate repeatable codes
John Henry Xu wrote:
V., in any cases of programming, more lines and more classes means more work
and more money. Don't you agree?
Jack H. Xu
Technology columnist and editor
Unless I do fixed bid. Or have my own software company... where you try
to reduce costs. So we only do things that
do this job better. Hope we
learn from them.
Jack H. Xu
Technology columnist and editor
http://www.usanalyst.com
http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America)
- Original Message -
From: netsql
To: user@struts.apache.org
Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET
. With vi? 3 hours?
leon
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von netsql
Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juli 2005 03:41
An: user@struts.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Struts vs .NET???
John Henry Xu wrote:
V., in any cases of programming, more lines and more
. With vi? 3 hours?
leon
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von netsql
Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juli 2005 03:41
An: user@struts.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Struts vs .NET???
John Henry Xu wrote:
V., in any cases of programming, more lines and more
John Henry Xu wrote:
code which can be
automated by GUI and tools. Microsoft usually do this job better. Hope we
learn from them.
Jack H. Xu
I am sure you write better than me.
Look at it this way, you could be a sports journalist and I could be a
pro basketball player, and you are
America)
- Original Message -
From: Rick Reumann
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET???
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:35:31 -0400
John Henry Xu wrote the following on 6/30/2005 11:49 PM:
struts can fit into J2EE structure
Yan Hu wrote:
How long did it take you to be this productive?
Obviously, you are expensive for all the hard work you did in the past. But a
bum who needs only
10 dollars hours could do the same thing with FrontPage as you would. Why
would I pay you 50
dollars an hours to just draw a couple of
Good point. Sometimes you want a Picaso, and sometimes you want a $10
painting.
How many people could afford Picaso? That is excatly why .NET is creeping up
so fast. As Rod
Johnson asked, how many huge huge apps are out there waiting for distributed
transaction
management provided by EJB
Yan Hu wrote:
How many people could afford Picaso? That is excatly why
.NET is creeping up so fast.
After you told us about 1000 times that there are much more jobs for .NET as
for java i tested it myself.
Monster search for java: 25 pages
Monster search for .NET 17 pages
+47% for java
Yan Hu wrote:
How many people could afford Picaso? That is excatly why
.NET is creeping up so fast.
After you told us about 1000 times that there are much more jobs for .NET as
for java i tested it myself.
Monster search for java: 25 pages
Monster search for .NET 17 pages
+47% for java
--- Leon Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yan Hu wrote:
How many people could afford Picaso? That is excatly why
.NET is creeping up so fast.
After you told us about 1000 times that there are much more jobs for .NET as
for java i tested it myself.
Stop putting words in my
Yan Hu wrote:
Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said there are much
more jobs for .NET. How long has been .NET around? 2-3
years..right? How long has Java or J2EE been around?
And
Look at the job market for the server side now. 3 years ago, .Net took
only 20% of the server
Yan Hu wrote:
Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said there are much
more jobs for .NET. How long has been .NET around? 2-3
years..right? How long has Java or J2EE been around?
And
Look at the job market for the server side now. 3 years ago, .Net took
only 20% of the server
All done on the US sites.
www.monster.com
.NET more than 1000 and 20 pages
Java more than 1000 and 20 pages
www.dice.com
.NET 8490 listings
Java 11159 listings
www.indeed.com (an aggregator for all major job sites in the US)
.NET 68,599 listings
Java 63,451 listings
When you have a debate,
Btw... Can you name 10 successful .NET sites? Something clearly above 100
Million PIs / month, better 1 billion PIs ?
I'd be really interested :-)
You see you are missing the whole point here. I have been a long time
believer that J2EE is
good for big honking things. But .NET is
://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America)
- Original Message -
From: netsql
To: user@struts.apache.org
Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET???
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 19:54:42 -0700
Yan Hu wrote:
How long did it take you to be this productive?
Obviously
When you have a debate, try not to win the debate by by
putting words in others mouths and not to exaggerate things
(such as 1000 times). Considering .NET has not been around as
long as java/j2ee, don't you think the numbers are scary?
No I don't, and know why? Here is a quote from a
When you have a debate, try not to win the debate by by
putting words in others mouths and not to exaggerate things
(such as 1000 times). Considering .NET has not been around as
long as java/j2ee, don't you think the numbers are scary?
No I don't, and know why? Here is a quote from a
America)
- Original Message -
From: Leon Rosenberg
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? -This is my Stats
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 03:53:01 +0200
When you have a debate, try not to win the debate by by putting
words in others mouths
John Henry Xu wrote:
.V,
I was working on Java until I became a manager.
Hmmm.
In struts and EJB, lots of codes fit into patterns and can be automated.
If you think automating code generation is your best skill, go for it.
It's telling that you selected EJB. You can generate more
On 7/1/05, John Henry Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Leon Rosenberg wrote: I think the larger problem for a java developer
in a small business sector
is PHP or even Perl. .NET is mostly irrelevant, at least in germany.
Agree with you that PHP snd Perl and MySQL are popular on web these days.
Good Points..
One thing I might add is that the Title mentioned J2EE w Struts vs .Net and I don't
think this is a fair comparison. Struts has a steep learning curve but when used you
have a good MVC type model with all the benefits.
IMHO (I'm also 98% J2EE) With .Net Out of the box, you wont
Hi,
M$ had done a good job with .Net because they copied ideas form
Java/J2EE!
:-)
BR
/Amleto
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Inviato: martedì 14 settembre 2004 14.55
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Oggetto: RE: Advantages of J2EE w. Struts vs .NET
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From: Nail, Evan Burke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Good Points..
One thing I might add is that the Title mentioned J2EE w
Struts vs .Net and I don't think this is a fair comparison.
Struts has a steep learning curve but when used you have a
good MVC type
Pilgrim, Peter wrote:
The trouble with RIA is that there is no universal defacto
browser technology. There are lots of interesting solutions
for rich functionality. My gut feeling it is gooing to take
a twentieth-first century equivalent of Netscape and Microsoft
to really push forward a next
As for pluses and minuses... The minuses with all things
Thank you all for con/pros. Especially frank´s comments are very intresting.
But please keep the thread alive. I think there are other who consider this
an interesting subject, though it might be a little outdebated.
Andere Jacobsen
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From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vic
Sent: 14 September 2004 14:48
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Pilgrim, Peter wrote:
The trouble with RIA is that there is no universal defacto
browser
(ram, and flash) prohibits the use of say axis+exerces. There are
various solutions being tossed about.
Daniel.
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From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vic
Sent: 14 September 2004 14:48
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Subject: Re: Advantages of J2EE w. Struts vs .NET
1. java is free so learning it as a student was cheaper (well, legally
anyway!)
.Net is free as well. You can go download the SDK, same as with Java, and
off you go. True, VS.Net costs, but VS.Net is NOT .Net.
The one point that is absolutely true though is that .Net only runs on
Windows,
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From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anders Jacobsen
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 3:01 PM
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Subject: Advantages of J2EE w. Struts vs .NET ASP.NET
Hi
I think this place would be a good place to good some colored
from somone who deplpyed both
in production.
.V
Jim Barrows wrote:
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From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anders Jacobsen
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 3:01 PM
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Hi
I think this place
the Jave world the nod,
but not by a huge margin).
Frank W. Zammetti
Founder and Chief Software Architect
Omnytex Technologies
www.omnytex.com
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