Struts2, Shale, Seam, pure JSF - what to use?

2006-12-19 Thread Piero Sartini
Hello list, the last days I've read a lot about web frameworks in java. And the more I read, the more questions I have. Just writing this down, maybe someone has some thoughts that can help me. My problem is simple, or lets say it should be simple: What webframework is a good choice to start

Re: Struts2, Shale, Seam, pure JSF - what to use?

2006-12-19 Thread Don Brown
It isn't an either/or question. You can use JSF actions, components, and configuration in a Struts 2 app, using the Struts 2 JSF Plugin. If you prefer an action-centric design, but want to use JSF components, then it is worth looking into. If you want a pure JSF approach, especially if you have

Re: Struts2, Shale, Seam, pure JSF - what to use?

2006-12-19 Thread robin bajaj
Hi there, May I ask a corollary question in this context. What is the current status of Shale, is it build on top of SUN's JSF Ref. Implementation or MyFaces or Can I just use any JSF distro with Shale. Thanks for your replies in advance, regards robin On 12/19/06, Don Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Struts2, Shale, Seam, pure JSF - what to use?

2006-12-19 Thread Asthana, Rahul
The roadmap has info pertaining to this thread. http://struts.apache.org/roadmap.html -Original Message- From: robin bajaj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 6:04 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Struts2, Shale, Seam, pure JSF - what to use? Hi

Re: Struts2, Shale, Seam, pure JSF - what to use?

2006-12-19 Thread Don Brown
Off topic, but AFAIK, Shale doesn't depend on any specific JSF implementation. It's goal is to fill in the gaps in the JSF spec/framework for the user. Don On 12/19/06, robin bajaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, May I ask a corollary question in this context. What is the current status

Re: Struts2, Shale, Seam, pure JSF - what to use?

2006-12-19 Thread Don Brown
I should add, it therefore would be possible to run Struts 2, Shale, and JSF in the same application. :) Don On 12/19/06, Don Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Off topic, but AFAIK, Shale doesn't depend on any specific JSF implementation. It's goal is to fill in the gaps in the JSF

Re: Struts2, Shale, Seam, pure JSF - what to use?

2006-12-19 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 12/19/06, Don Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It isn't an either/or question. You can use JSF actions, components, and configuration in a Struts 2 app, using the Struts 2 JSF Plugin. If you prefer an action-centric design, but want to use JSF components, then it is worth looking into. If

Re: Struts2, Shale, Seam, pure JSF - what to use?

2006-12-19 Thread Ted Husted
On 12/19/06, Piero Sartini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list, the last days I've read a lot about web frameworks in java. And the more I read, the more questions I have. Just writing this down, maybe someone has some thoughts that can help me. My problem is simple, or lets say it should be

Re: Struts2, Shale, Seam, pure JSF - what to use?

2006-12-19 Thread Piero Sartini
JSF is considered a MVC framework, just as ASP.NET is a MVC framework. These frameworks are component-centric. You build pages by assembling components, and the components can each fire their own actions to obtain and maintain state. Frameworks like Struts and Spring MVC are action-centric.

Re: Struts2, Shale, Seam, pure JSF - what to use?

2006-12-19 Thread Piero Sartini
As Don mentions, you can use JSF components with Struts2 pretty easily, and that can be a good avenue if you primarily want JSF for the visual components part, and don't need/want the managed beans and lifecycle controller parts. If a framework on top of JSF is what you are after (which is a