Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reply settings on this list have changed

[Bjørn K Nilssen]

På Thu, 16 Aug 2012 02:29:24 +0200, skrev Andrew Brager  
:


Thunderbird has the option.  I don't know what other clients have it, if  
any.


Opera have that option too.
But it still doesn't make the idea of making the From: the default To:  
address for replies any better.
It is like if the default on a forum would be that you reply with a PM  
instead of to the thread.


Opera automatically detects/filters mailing lists, and whenever I get a  
mail with both my email and the list address in the To: field it removes  
the list 'duplicate' and leaves the other one in the Inbox instead of in  
the list 'folder', which causes the context/thread to be lost.

Makes it messy to follow!
I believe this is the standard if you use 'Reply to all'? At least that's  
the way it works if I use that option in Opera.
The way anne-ology does it works better, as the second address is placed  
in the Cc: field instead of 2 addresses in the To: field.



On 8/15/2012 5:00 PM, anne-ology wrote:

exactly - well, there is a third option [to forward  ;-) ]

And those are the only options available in the web-based  
e-mails as

well.

BTW - I've never seen this supposed 'reply to list' option on  
any

computer.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Reply settings on this list have changed

[Marc Paré]

Hi Anne and Jay,

Le 2012-08-16 00:53, Jay Lozier a écrit :


(3) Thank you for standing up against these list-members who respond
at the bottom !

Actually there are two different philosophies. Top posting works best
when only a few people are actively involved in the conversation and all
are actively following the thread. For most exchanges this works very
well because it mimics a verbal conversation.

Bottom posting is done on lists because someone may not have seen the
initial post and the context of the answers and other follow up posts.
The idea is that the thread can be followed with the oldest post on top
to latest on the bottom as if you are reading a report.

Inline posting is sometimes done when it is easier to answer each issue
raised.

I did a combination of inline and bottom posting

Also snip is used to indicate that part of the original has been deleted
by the poster





Please review 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette#Top-Posting_vs_Bottom-Posting 
for more information on posting.


This topic has been covered several times on this list. FYI, we 
recommend bottom posting if possible along with inline posting, in order 
to preserve the flow of discussion for all.


It just makes it easier for everyone to work on the lists if we adopt 
the same way of responding to email.


Thanks for your help.

Cheers,

Marc

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Re: [libreoffice-users] turn off header/footer default popup?

[Jean-Francois Nifenecker]

Le 15/08/2012 21:37, Dan a écrit :


Or you could keep your cursor below the top of the text area of
a document. You could also create a default template which will have a
solid 10% gray line around the text area. Just don't stray above the top
of this "grey box".



The simpler, the better: just set non-printable characters as visible 
(F10), you'll also get the text limits (v.3.6). Second, this *should* be 
the normal use of a text processor: seeing what's being entered is 
crucial, imo.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reply settings on this list have changed

[Jay Lozier]

On 08/15/2012 08:48 PM, anne-ology wrote:

(1) I'm not referring to the sender vs. the list ... I"m referring
to all the others' which are placed in the cc;
by clicking on 'reply all', all the e-addresses are picked up -
therefore, I have to be sure that the 'to' has the sender's e-address and
the 'cc' has the list e-address.

(2) Just what - or who - is RFC ???

Request for comments


(3) Thank you for standing up against these list-members who respond
at the bottom !
Actually there are two different philosophies. Top posting works best 
when only a few people are actively involved in the conversation and all 
are actively following the thread. For most exchanges this works very 
well because it mimics a verbal conversation.


Bottom posting is done on lists because someone may not have seen the 
initial post and the context of the answers and other follow up posts. 
The idea is that the thread can be followed with the oldest post on top 
to latest on the bottom as if you are reading a report.


Inline posting is sometimes done when it is easier to answer each issue 
raised.


I did a combination of inline and bottom posting

Also snip is used to indicate that part of the original has been deleted 
by the poster




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.

[Andrew Brager]

You don't seem to understand what I wrote.  Bottom line is, it's in the 
archives - search for it there.  I'm sure someone else can help you with 
that - don't ask me because I don't know how.


On 8/15/2012 7:19 PM, anne-ology wrote:

   Ok, I've received your message of 2 paragraphs [still below] -
   you state you will answer the question; where is the 
answer  ???  ;-)


   Maybe I'm not receiving all the messages ... maybe your message 
was clipped for some reason ...
   but if you sent more than is below, could you please 
explain how to view it.




On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:52 PM, Andrew Brager > wrote:


I've seen at least one or two people respond to the question.  For
some reason you don't appear to be seeing all the posts here.  In
particular you didn't respond to one of my own, specifically
addressing your font issue wherein I provided a possible resolution.

This particular message I'm sending now I would normally provide
privately.  But since everyone on this list seems to be up in arms
about sharing info. I post it here.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.

[anne-ology]

   Thank you.

   Obviously, some of the list mail is not getting through -

   BTW - as for me, these can't be landing in the 'spam folder' since I
always check to be sure there's nothing there by mistake, before deleting
these



On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Marc Grober  wrote:

In fact it was explained twice before,  so perhaps some of the list mail
> is going in to your spam folder?
>
> AOO is the apache branch of OpenOffice
>
> On 8/15/12 4:34 PM, anne-ology wrote:
> >I too would like to know.
> >
> >It's been mentioned a few times now ... someone asks what is it,
> yet
> > no one responds  ;-)
> >or are they responding privately  ???
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Gordon Burgess-Parker
> > wrote:
> >
> > On 14/08/12 21:13, Andreas Säger wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm going to upgrade all our production systems to AOO 3.4.1
> >>>
> >>
> >> What is "AOO"?
> >>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.

[anne-ology]

   Thank you.



On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Robert Funnell wrote:

It was answered in this message:
>   
> http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/**msg22778.html
> And also (unnecessarily snarkily) in this one:
>   
> http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/**msg22784.html
>
> AOO = Apache Open Office
>
>
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2012, anne-ology wrote:
>
>I too would like to know.
>>
>>   It's been mentioned a few times now ... someone asks what is it, yet
>> no one responds  ;-)
>>   or are they responding privately  ???
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Gordon Burgess-Parker
>> wrote:
>>
>> On 14/08/12 21:13, Andreas Säger wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>  I'm going to upgrade all our production systems to AOO 3.4.1


>>> What is "AOO"?
>>>
>>>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.

[anne-ology]

   Ok, I've received your message of 2 paragraphs [still below] -
   you state you will answer the question; where is the answer
???  ;-)

   Maybe I'm not receiving all the messages ... maybe your message was
clipped for some reason ...
   but if you sent more than is below, could you please explain how
to view it.



On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:52 PM, Andrew Brager  wrote:

I've seen at least one or two people respond to the question.  For some
> reason you don't appear to be seeing all the posts here.  In particular you
> didn't respond to one of my own, specifically addressing your font issue
> wherein I provided a possible resolution.
>
> This particular message I'm sending now I would normally provide
> privately.  But since everyone on this list seems to be up in arms about
> sharing info. I post it here.
>
>
>
> On 8/15/2012 5:34 PM, anne-ology wrote:
>
>> I too would like to know.
>>
>> It's been mentioned a few times now ... someone asks what is it,
>> yet
>> no one responds  ;-)
>> or are they responding privately  ???
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Gordon Burgess-Parker <
>> gbpli...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> On 14/08/12 21:13, Andreas Säger wrote:
>>
>>> I'm going to upgrade all our production systems to AOO 3.4.1

  What is "AOO"?
>>>
>>>

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Fwd: [libreoffice-users] What happened to LO 3.6's place memory?

[MR ZenWiz]

[Once again, forgot to r-t-a]

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:09 AM, Jean-Francois Nifenecker
 wrote:
>
> WAD here.
>
> Just make sure your personal information is present in Tools / Options /
> LibreOffice / Personal data (item names freely translated from my FR
> interface).
>
> HTH,
>

That works nicely.  Strange that it didn't pick up my name from
before, though everything else seems to have carried over.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Startup positioning problem with LO 3.5.2.2 [SOLVED in 3.6]

[MR ZenWiz]

Something in 3.6 has changed and now the opening windows remember
their place, even across multiple monitors.

THANK YOU, TDF/LO!

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:10 PM, MR ZenWiz  wrote:
> Thanks. I pulled down 3.5.1 and installed it, and the problem is still
> there.
>
> I could go back to a 3.4 version, but I don't know if it's that important to
> me.
>
> Foo. I'll just live with it.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.

[Robert Funnell]

It was answered in this message:
  http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/msg22778.html
And also (unnecessarily snarkily) in this one:
  http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/msg22784.html

AOO = Apache Open Office

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012, anne-ology wrote:


  I too would like to know.

  It's been mentioned a few times now ... someone asks what is it, yet
no one responds  ;-)
  or are they responding privately  ???



On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Gordon Burgess-Parker
wrote:

On 14/08/12 21:13, Andreas Säger wrote:



I'm going to upgrade all our production systems to AOO 3.4.1



What is "AOO"?



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.

[Marc Grober]

In fact it was explained twice before,  so perhaps some of the list mail
is going in to your spam folder?

AOO is the apache branch of OpenOffice

On 8/15/12 4:34 PM, anne-ology wrote:
>I too would like to know.
> 
>It's been mentioned a few times now ... someone asks what is it, yet
> no one responds  ;-)
>or are they responding privately  ???
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Gordon Burgess-Parker
> wrote:
> 
> On 14/08/12 21:13, Andreas Säger wrote:
>>
>>> I'm going to upgrade all our production systems to AOO 3.4.1
>>>
>>
>> What is "AOO"?
>>
>>
> 


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.

[Andrew Brager]

I've seen at least one or two people respond to the question.  For some 
reason you don't appear to be seeing all the posts here.  In particular 
you didn't respond to one of my own, specifically addressing your font 
issue wherein I provided a possible resolution.


This particular message I'm sending now I would normally provide 
privately.  But since everyone on this list seems to be up in arms about 
sharing info. I post it here.




On 8/15/2012 5:34 PM, anne-ology wrote:

I too would like to know.

It's been mentioned a few times now ... someone asks what is it, yet
no one responds  ;-)
or are they responding privately  ???



On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Gordon Burgess-Parker
wrote:

On 14/08/12 21:13, Andreas Säger wrote:

I'm going to upgrade all our production systems to AOO 3.4.1


What is "AOO"?





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reply settings on this list have changed

[anne-ology]

   (1) I'm not referring to the sender vs. the list ... I"m referring
to all the others' which are placed in the cc;
   by clicking on 'reply all', all the e-addresses are picked up -
therefore, I have to be sure that the 'to' has the sender's e-address and
the 'cc' has the list e-address.

   (2) Just what - or who - is RFC ???

   (3) Thank you for standing up against these list-members who respond
at the bottom !



On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Andrew Brager  wrote:

On 8/15/2012 5:11 PM, anne-ology wrote:
>
>>
>>
>
> I find deleting to be slightly easier than copy & paste in order to
> include the original sender.  Further, what difference does it make to you
> how many copies the original sender receives?  If I happen to receive two
> copies of a response to me, I delete one - actually I delete both once I'm
> done with it.
>
>
>exactly;
>> this requires having to delete the extraneous e-addresses  ;-)
>>
>
> Time is not the issue.  The issue is, what does the RFC say?  RFC's
> determine how things work, and how things will operate together. The
> primary problem as I now see it, is that there is apparently no companion
> RFC (or at least nobody has mentioned it) that specifies that email clients
> need to include a "Reply to List" button.  That's an oversight.  Someone
> with the skill and knowledge to amend RFC's needs to make that correction
> so that the next versions of all email clients include the button.
>
>
>  Therefore, I'd like to know what is the time savings in this vs.
>> having the reply go to the list ???
>>
>
> That's something I agree with, is one of my pet peeves and you've stated
> the case perfectly.
>
>  This change isn't anymore logical than some of these responders
>> who
>> must think we should re-read the old message before finally seeing
>> whatever
>> new message has been added - and their addition becomes almost lost
>> amongst
>> the talk unless enough blank lines have been left; logically, the new
>> message should be where you can read it first - then if you need to
>> re-fresh your memory, scroll down to see what preceded it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Steve Edmonds
>> **wrote:
>>
>> I think the safe response when using the changed list settings is use
>>
>>> Reply-all. For simplicity, the only instruction to users of the lists
>>> that
>>> works consistently is Reply-all.
>>>
>>> steve
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2012-08-16 05:22, Jay Lozier wrote:
>>>
>>>  On 08/15/2012 12:09 PM, Dan Hall wrote:

  In Outlook 2003 SP3 - Reply = Jay Lozier  and
> Reply to All = Jay Lozier ;users@**
> global.libreoffice.org **.
>
> There is no Reply to List in Outlook.
>
>  Dan,

 My reply options changed to "reply all" not "reply list" in Thunderbird
 when I received your email. The to field is your email and the cc is
 users@global.libreoffice.org.

 It appears there is some inconsistent behavior with email clients and
 webmail sites depending on how they receive the email

 Jay



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.

[anne-ology]

   I too would like to know.

   It's been mentioned a few times now ... someone asks what is it, yet
no one responds  ;-)
   or are they responding privately  ???



On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Gordon Burgess-Parker
wrote:

On 14/08/12 21:13, Andreas Säger wrote:
>
>> I'm going to upgrade all our production systems to AOO 3.4.1
>>
>
> What is "AOO"?
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reply settings on this list have changed

[Andrew Brager]

Thunderbird has the option.  I don't know what other clients have it, if 
any.


On 8/15/2012 5:00 PM, anne-ology wrote:

exactly - well, there is a third option [to forward  ;-) ]

And those are the only options available in the web-based e-mails as
well.

BTW - I've never seen this supposed 'reply to list' option on any
computer.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reply settings on this list have changed

[Andrew Brager]

On 8/15/2012 5:11 PM, anne-ology wrote:
   


I find deleting to be slightly easier than copy & paste in order to 
include the original sender.  Further, what difference does it make to 
you how many copies the original sender receives?  If I happen to 
receive two copies of a response to me, I delete one - actually I delete 
both once I'm done with it.



  exactly;
this requires having to delete the extraneous e-addresses  ;-)


Time is not the issue.  The issue is, what does the RFC say?  RFC's 
determine how things work, and how things will operate together. The 
primary problem as I now see it, is that there is apparently no 
companion RFC (or at least nobody has mentioned it) that specifies that 
email clients need to include a "Reply to List" button.  That's an 
oversight.  Someone with the skill and knowledge to amend RFC's needs to 
make that correction so that the next versions of all email clients 
include the button.



Therefore, I'd like to know what is the time savings in this vs.
having the reply go to the list ???


That's something I agree with, is one of my pet peeves and you've stated 
the case perfectly.



This change isn't anymore logical than some of these responders who
must think we should re-read the old message before finally seeing whatever
new message has been added - and their addition becomes almost lost amongst
the talk unless enough blank lines have been left; logically, the new
message should be where you can read it first - then if you need to
re-fresh your memory, scroll down to see what preceded it.



On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Steve Edmonds
wrote:

I think the safe response when using the changed list settings is use

Reply-all. For simplicity, the only instruction to users of the lists that
works consistently is Reply-all.

steve


On 2012-08-16 05:22, Jay Lozier wrote:


On 08/15/2012 12:09 PM, Dan Hall wrote:


In Outlook 2003 SP3 - Reply = Jay Lozier  and
Reply to All = Jay Lozier ;users@**
global.libreoffice.org .
There is no Reply to List in Outlook.


Dan,

My reply options changed to "reply all" not "reply list" in Thunderbird
when I received your email. The to field is your email and the cc is
users@global.libreoffice.org.

It appears there is some inconsistent behavior with email clients and
webmail sites depending on how they receive the email

Jay






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Creating High Res Images in Draw or Impress

[anne-ology]

   There are 2 things I've done - one, as Gabriel points out, and the
other is 'saving as' to whichever image you wish it to be.

   Unless you've upgraded to the .5 - which I haven't yet - then this
should work;



On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Gabriel Risterucci wrote:

When you put the desired dpi value, simply set the size to what you want. I
> just tried in draw, got a big png :)
>
> The fact that it change the size when you change the dpi feels like a bad
> design issue, though the png export dialog looks quite "raw" as it is.
>
>
>
>
> 2012/8/15 Mary Ellen Bost 
>
> > Hi- not sure if this email thread is strictly for reporting bugs but I
> > have a question and it's worth a shot.
> >
> > I hate gimp & need to create a few simple graphics in Draw or Impress.
> But
> > they need to be a specific size and high resolution.
> >
> > I just created a picture 5.3in x 5.3 inch square in draw & exported it as
> > a png. When the dpi option appeared- it was 48 dpi.
> >
> > If I increase the dpi...the image shrinks.
> >
> > I know that there is a plug in for PowerPoint that allows you to export
> > images in created in a ppt as high res.
> >
> > Is there any plug in or anything I can do to create a high res image in
> > any of the Libre Office programs?
> >
> > PLEASE! Help
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.

[Andrew Brager]

On 8/15/2012 3:20 PM, Marc Grober wrote:

On 8/15/12 1:57 PM, Andrew Brager wrote:

Thanks for your comments.  What still remains unclear to me (not that it
matters as I have no influence/authority on anything done by anyone  -
I'm simply trying to help you all sort it out so somebody in a position
to do something can then do it) is whether the bug status was changed in
that 5 month period between when you re-confirmed the bug, and when it
was closed.

In other words, did it get changed from NEEDINFO to NEW when you
reconfirmed the bug, as was implied should have happened?  Or did it go
from NEEDINFO to CLOSED with no intervening status?  If the latter, then
in my opinion there's a bug in bugzilla as (I would think) it should
have changed when you reconfirmed the bug.  If the former, then there's
a problem with the process, not the tool.  The answers to those
questions will answer the question "which one needs fixing?"  If the
process needs fixing, then in my opinion there needs to be additional
status flags and additional feedback from the developers as I previously
wrote.

Based on Florien's post, it sounds like he only closed those that were
in the NEEDINFO state, which implies there's a bug in bugzilla as I
state above.

I think there is another possibility, and that is that the bug lifecycle
is dubious. See, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/docs/en/html/lifecycle.html


That diagram is in fact interesting.  Based on that diagram (which may 
or may not be utilized by the LO team), then the process followed by the 
LO team is in error.  They've chosen to dump unconfirmed bugs back on 
the user community, instead of confirming the bugs themselves.  I can 
understand why they've done it, the work is probably overwhelming and 
they're volunteers so they've chosen to let each individual user/bug 
submitter either resubmit or assume resolved status.  Not a bad choice 
from their point of view, it's the path of least work for them.  It 
makes sense from that viewpoint.  The proper way to do it would have 
been to check each bug themselves as normally would be done prior to a 
production release.  They took the practical, expedient approach instead 
and I don't think you can fault them for doing so.




With respect to LO bugs,  it is still unclear what the various stages of
the bug lifecycle is, and who is empowered to make various changes to
the bug status. As an unempowered user I cannot "confirm" a bug.


Nor should you be able to confirm a bug.  And that of course is where 
the model (or process) is broken, since as I mentioned above they've 
dumped the testing back on the user - with decent reasoning - but it 
still breaks the model as provided by the diagram.  So yes, somebody on 
the developer's side needs to make some decisions as to how best to fix 
the model and/or process.  Personally I don't see a problem with their 
decision to dump the bugs back on the user considering they themselves 
are volunteers, but somewhere somehow the status needs to change from 
NEEDINFO to NEW (which is not provided for in the model so clearly 
things have changed either with the model as supplied by bugzilla, or 
the LO team has customized their copy.  So, I reiterate my previous 
comment that more info. is needed from the bug submitters as to what 
stages the status flags went through to determine whether it's the 
process or bugzilla that needs fixing.



Moreover, there is no context help available regarding status hierarchy.

What I think I am seeing, as in so many such projects,  is a disconnect
between what devs think is happening and what bug reporters think is
happening.

I agree with your assessment.  But until someone starts providing the 
missing info. I fear there can be no resolution.  Ultimately someone 
from the developer's and/or administrative side of the fence needs to 
figure out how to resolve this to most people's satisfaction.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

[anne-ology]

   exactly;
   and well expressed.



On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Bjørn K Nilssen  wrote:

På Sun, 12 Aug 2012 18:31:07 +0200, skrev Florian Effenberger <
> flo...@documentfoundation.org**>:
>
>
>  Hello,
>>
>> this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have changed
>> (so-called "Reply to mangling" has been disabled).
>>
>> So far, e-mails had set a reply-to the mailing list address. In other
>> words, with any e-mail client, replies to e-mails on the list were
>> automatically sent directly to the list.
>>
>
> Which is the whole idea of a mailing list IMO.
>
>
>
>  In the past, this lead to two major problems:
>>
>> 1. Several times, people have sent direct replies to the public list,
>> where deleting them is nearly impossible. I remember at least one case
>> where confidential information has been sent out that caused lots of
>> worries for the sender and his employer. This happened because people hit
>> "reply" and thought it would reply to the sender only.
>>
>
> That some people send private mail in public can't be a good argument to
> stop/hamper the flow on a miling list - surely?
>
>
>  2. I have heard complaints in the past from people, stating that working
>> with the non-developer lists of LibreOffice is a pain for them, because of
>> reply-to mangling, resulting in a lack of communication. This also led to
>> the fact that numerous tasks were done by the same people, who needed to
>> spend more and more time, instead of sharing the work burden with others.
>> While I do not fully believe this argument, there's just one way to find
>> out...
>>
>> Therefore, I have applied a change:
>>
>> Replies to e-mails from the list now only go to the original sender. You
>> either need to use the "reply to all" feature of your e-mail program, or -
>> preferably - the "reply to list"/"reply to group" feature, which will
>> direct replies directly to the list.
>>
>> This is common practice on most mailing lists, and even the default
>> setting for our mailing list software, so we did not re-invent the wheel
>> here. Those seeking for details should have a look at
>> http://www.unicom.com/pw/**reply-to-harmful.html
>>
>
> I checked every single one of my 52 current mailing lists, and not one
> single one of them follows that rule (except this one). One of them used
> the senders email + the list email in the Reply-To field, but that's it.
> And that list isn't really for discussing, but just for one-way information.
>
> I'd like to see some statistics that shows that 'most mailing lists' does
> not put the list address in the Reply-To field ?
>
> And where is the RFC?
>
> And the poll?
> Looks like most people wants to get it back to how it was, which is how
> all my other 51 lists still are?
> Using the 'Reply to all' option is not a good idea at all IMO.
>
>
>  I know we had numerous discussions on this topic in the past, but the
>> outcome was that roughly 50% were for this change, and 50% refused it, so I
>> am really sitting between two chairs here, for which I beg for your
>> understanding. On the one hand, those complaining the lists are unusable
>> with reply-to mangling, on the other hand, those complaining the lists are
>> unusable without reply-to mangling. Unfortunately, combining those two,
>> even on a per-recipient basis, is not possible, so they are mutually
>> exclusive to each other.
>>
>> In order to find out the real impact, I simply changed the setting, and
>> again, I beg for your understanding.
>>
>> Do not worry: The mailing lists are for the community, so it's the
>> community deciding how they should work. What I'd like to ask all of you is
>> to try out for a few days if that change is good for each list or not.
>> Should we find out it is more harmful than it helps, I will immediately
>> switch back to the old behaviour.
>>
>> Sorry for this short notice, and I beg for your understanding that I'm
>> somehow sitting between two chairs here.
>>
>> Florian
>>
>>
>
> --
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reply settings on this list have changed

[anne-ology]

   exactly;
   this requires having to delete the extraneous e-addresses  ;-)

   Therefore, I'd like to know what is the time savings in this vs.
having the reply go to the list ???

   This change isn't anymore logical than some of these responders who
must think we should re-read the old message before finally seeing whatever
new message has been added - and their addition becomes almost lost amongst
the talk unless enough blank lines have been left; logically, the new
message should be where you can read it first - then if you need to
re-fresh your memory, scroll down to see what preceded it.



On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Steve Edmonds
wrote:

I think the safe response when using the changed list settings is use
> Reply-all. For simplicity, the only instruction to users of the lists that
> works consistently is Reply-all.
>
> steve
>
>
> On 2012-08-16 05:22, Jay Lozier wrote:
>
>> On 08/15/2012 12:09 PM, Dan Hall wrote:
>>
>>> In Outlook 2003 SP3 - Reply = Jay Lozier  and
>>> Reply to All = Jay Lozier ;users@**
>>> global.libreoffice.org .
>>> There is no Reply to List in Outlook.
>>>
>> Dan,
>>
>> My reply options changed to "reply all" not "reply list" in Thunderbird
>> when I received your email. The to field is your email and the cc is
>> users@global.libreoffice.org.
>>
>> It appears there is some inconsistent behavior with email clients and
>> webmail sites depending on how they receive the email
>>
>> Jay
>>
>>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reply settings on this list have changed

[anne-ology]

   exactly - well, there is a third option [to forward  ;-) ]

   And those are the only options available in the web-based e-mails as
well.

   BTW - I've never seen this supposed 'reply to list' option on any
computer.



On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Dan Hall  wrote:

In Outlook 2003 SP3 - Reply = Jay Lozier  and
> Reply to All = Jay Lozier ;
> users@global.libreoffice.org.
> There is no Reply to List in Outlook.
>
>
> From: Jay Lozier [mailto:jsloz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 8:23 PM
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reply settings on this list have
> changed
>
> On 08/14/2012 07:24 PM, anne-ology wrote:
> > no, this 'reply to list' option does not exist for many of us.
> Do you have a reply all option?
>
> You may want to check what email address is used in the To field with
> reply or reply all.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 4:07 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P <
> > webmas...@krackedpress.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I have a couple of Web-based email accounts, but I have to look them up
> >> [and their passwords] since I have not used them for more than 6 months.
> >>   It would be interesting to see of they have the Reply to List option
> >> instead of the Reply All option, like Thunderbird has.  Those accounts
> were
> >> Hotmail, Yahoo-Mail, Netzero-mail, and a few others that I had to sign
> up
> >> for so I could get access to their free services, for one reason or
> >> another.  But, I do not use them.  I own several domains, so I can
> create
> >> my own email addresses off them anytime I need a new one.
> >>
> >> Does Outlook [and the old Outlook Express], and MS's "Mail" package that
> >> is on Win7, have the Reply to List option instead of Reply All?
> >>
>
> --
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>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] turn off header/footer default popup?

[anne-ology]

   What is the reason for anyone using these templates? ...
  it's much simpler to start with a blank sheet then when it's time
to print, it fits onto whatever stationery and/or typing paper desired..




On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Dan  wrote:

anne-ology wrote:
>
>> So here's another reason not to update from 3.4;
>> my suggestion would be to delete this version and re-install
>> the
>> previous one, where these can be turned off.
>>
>>
>Or you could keep your cursor below the top of the text area of a
> document. You could also create a default template which will have a solid
> 10% gray line around the text area. Just don't stray above the top of this
> "grey box".
>
> --Dan
>
>
>  On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Don Anderson  wrote:
>>
>> Hello, I am not quite sure how to use this listserv, so my apologies if I
>>
>>> am doing something incorrectly.
>>>
>>> Using LO 3.5.3.2, everytime I'm near the top of a page in Writer, a blue
>>> line appears and the words "Header (Default)" inviting me to type in the
>>> header field.  Likewise with the footer when I'm near the bottom of the
>>> page.
>>>
>>> Is there any way to turn this behavior off?
>>>
>>>

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[libreoffice-users] Another question concerning Base

[Thomas Taylor]

When creating a table in Base with the wizard, is it possible to use a
boolean (yes/no) to control further input fields?  If so, how please?
my assumption is that entry conditional control must be done without
the wizard.

Also, can someone recommend a book about LibreOffice that gives good
descriptions and examples?

Thanks, Tom

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Numerical terms used in Base

[Thomas Taylor]

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 23:53:33 +0200
Andreas Säger  wrote:

> Am 15.08.2012 22:31, Thomas Taylor wrote:
> > It's been way too many years since I did commercial programming on
> > databases and I've forgotten some of the terms (formats) for
> > numerical data.  I'm trying to create a simple database of local
> > facilities/doctors/stores with Base using the wizards. The formats
> > that are giving me trouble are:
> >
> > Text[VARCHAR]- a variable number of type CHAR?
> > Text(fix)[CHAR]  - does that mean a fixed number of CHAR?
> 
> Right.
> 
> > Integer[INTEGER] \
> > Numeric[NUMERIC]  > How do these differ?
> > Decimal{DECIMAL] /
> >
> There are tiny integers, small integers, integers and big integer 
> numbers. Decimal(8,3) has 8 digits, 3 of them behind the point.
> I don't know about Numeric. Never used that.
> 
> > I looked in LibreOffice help but couldn't find the definitions.
> > Some help would be appreciated.
> >
> Base is not a database program. It is a mere frontend. You may decide
> to wrap a HSQLDB backend into the frontend file which is a very
> unstable construction and should be avoided for production databases.
> The embeddable HSQLDB 1.8 is documented here:
> > http://www.hsqldb.org/doc/1.8/guide/ch09.html
> 
> 
> > For instance, which format is used for a telephone number?
> > (1.800.123.4567)?
> >
> 
> That is text unless you want to practice some arithmetic witchcraft
> on phone "numbers". A pattern control on a form can enforce the right 
> pattern of points and digits.
> 
> 
> 

Thanks to both Jay and Andreas.  Beginning to make sense. 

Tom

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[libreoffice-users] Re: relative HYPERLINK

[Andreas Säger]

Am 15.08.2012 23:22, chilobo wrote:



The image files are stored in a directory "B" (german "Bilder") relative to
the directory of the spreadsheet, the other links are stored in similarly
abbreviated subdirectories.
Because some oft the other files are quite large the whole structure is
copied to locally available subdirectories on the users private PCs - some
Windows, some linux.
This is _not_ the problem. The problem is, that relative links don't work in
spreadsheets in Calc.



... because the developers account calculated relative hyperlinks as a 
security risk. As a work-around I showed you how to improve your formula 
so it uses a calculated absolute path in URL notation. Of course, the 
very same method can not work with Excel which does not know regular 
expressions.

You may try some switch to distinguish between Excel and Calc:
MID(ADDRESS(1;1;1;1;"foo");4;1) returns the sheet separator "." in Calc 
and "!" in Excel. Can be used as a named expression:

=HYPERLINK(IF(ShSep="." ; calc_calculation ; xls_calculation))


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Numerical terms used in Base

[Jay Lozier]

On 08/15/2012 04:31 PM, Thomas Taylor wrote:

It's been way too many years since I did commercial programming on
databases and I've forgotten some of the terms (formats) for numerical
data.  I'm trying to create a simple database of local
facilities/doctors/stores with Base using the wizards. The formats that
are giving me trouble are:

Text[VARCHAR]- a variable number of type CHAR?
Text(fix)[CHAR]  - does that mean a fixed number of CHAR?
Integer[INTEGER] \
Numeric[NUMERIC]  > How do these differ?
Decimal{DECIMAL] /

I looked in LibreOffice help but couldn't find the definitions.  Some
help would be appreciated.

For instance, which format is used for a telephone number?
(1.800.123.4567)?

Thanks, Tom

varchar(60) is a text string up to 60 characters long. I believe the 
actual memory usage is based the number of characters in the string
char(15) is a text string up to 15 characters long but enough memory is 
always used for 15 characters.

The length of varchar and char can be set to other lengths.

integer is an integer only and can be positive or negative. I did not 
look up the range for Base (-minint to +maxint).


numeric and decimal are floating point numbers of varying precision and 
size. You can specify the number of decimal places as well as the size 
of the number (decimal(10,2) has 10 total places with two decimal 
places) .Some db's use decimal for currency, I am not sure what the 
advantage of numeric versus the other floating numbers such as float and 
double. I mostly use MariaDB which does not have the numeric type 
explicitly available. Again you have both positive and negative values. 
I believe numeric is the full possible range while decimal is restricted 
by its initial definition.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.

[Marc Grober]

On 8/15/12 1:57 PM, Andrew Brager wrote:
> Thanks for your comments.  What still remains unclear to me (not that it
> matters as I have no influence/authority on anything done by anyone  -
> I'm simply trying to help you all sort it out so somebody in a position
> to do something can then do it) is whether the bug status was changed in
> that 5 month period between when you re-confirmed the bug, and when it
> was closed.
> 
> In other words, did it get changed from NEEDINFO to NEW when you
> reconfirmed the bug, as was implied should have happened?  Or did it go
> from NEEDINFO to CLOSED with no intervening status?  If the latter, then
> in my opinion there's a bug in bugzilla as (I would think) it should
> have changed when you reconfirmed the bug.  If the former, then there's
> a problem with the process, not the tool.  The answers to those
> questions will answer the question "which one needs fixing?"  If the
> process needs fixing, then in my opinion there needs to be additional
> status flags and additional feedback from the developers as I previously
> wrote.
> 
> Based on Florien's post, it sounds like he only closed those that were
> in the NEEDINFO state, which implies there's a bug in bugzilla as I
> state above.

I think there is another possibility, and that is that the bug lifecycle
is dubious. See, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/docs/en/html/lifecycle.html

With respect to LO bugs,  it is still unclear what the various stages of
the bug lifecycle is, and who is empowered to make various changes to
the bug status. As an unempowered user I cannot "confirm" a bug.
Moreover, there is no context help available regarding status hierarchy.

What I think I am seeing, as in so many such projects,  is a disconnect
between what devs think is happening and what bug reporters think is
happening.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.

[Andrew Brager]

Thanks for your comments.  What still remains unclear to me (not that it 
matters as I have no influence/authority on anything done by anyone  - 
I'm simply trying to help you all sort it out so somebody in a position 
to do something can then do it) is whether the bug status was changed in 
that 5 month period between when you re-confirmed the bug, and when it 
was closed.


In other words, did it get changed from NEEDINFO to NEW when you 
reconfirmed the bug, as was implied should have happened?  Or did it go 
from NEEDINFO to CLOSED with no intervening status?  If the latter, then 
in my opinion there's a bug in bugzilla as (I would think) it should 
have changed when you reconfirmed the bug.  If the former, then there's 
a problem with the process, not the tool.  The answers to those 
questions will answer the question "which one needs fixing?"  If the 
process needs fixing, then in my opinion there needs to be additional 
status flags and additional feedback from the developers as I previously 
wrote.


Based on Florien's post, it sounds like he only closed those that were 
in the NEEDINFO state, which implies there's a bug in bugzilla as I 
state above.



On 8/15/2012 2:18 PM, Marc Grober wrote:

Yes and no.

The initial news about bug tracker issues went out in March.
Many responded, as did I,  updating the bug to confirm that it was still
a bug  In fact, at the time I specifically asked why we needed to
confirm the bug if in fact the bug was long stnding and nothing had been
done by developers about the resolution suggested.  The response was a
thank you for updating.

THEN, 5 MONTHS LATER, we received post facto notice that the bug had
been closed, an across the board second effort to change bug status
without regard to anything that had been done in March.

The March notice re 'my' bug was in fact bogus, because the bug was
documented very well, and status was simply not changed because no dev
took the time to address the bug.

On 8/15/12 12:54 PM, Andrew Brager wrote:

I was curious as to what the commotion on this subject was so I looked
at the bug submitted wherein I found the automated message:

Björn Michaelsen 2011-12-23 12:27:51 UTC
[This is an automated message.]
This bug was filed before the changes to Bugzilla on 2011-10-16. Thus it
started right out as NEW without ever being explicitly confirmed.
The bug is
changed to state NEEDINFO for this reason. To move this bug from
NEEDINFO back
to NEW please check if the bug still persists with the 3.5.0 beta1
or beta2
prereleases.
Details on how to test the 3.5.0 beta1 can be found at:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugHunting_Session_3.5.0.-1

more detail on this bulk operation:
   
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/RFC-Operation-Spamzilla-tp3607474p3607474.html




Seems pretty clear to me.  In fact, if one actually goes to the trouble
of clicking on the bulk operation link, one finds complete information
regarding what was done and why.  To make it more convenient for you
all, I present a portion of the information here:


here is an urgent request for comments. We still have ~2400 bugs in
state NEW
from the pre-Bugzilla 4.0 days. Back then we had no initial state
UNCONFIRMED,
so unfortunately they started with NEW. This is changed now for new
bugs, but
the old ones are still in state NEW because we did not want to spam the
subscribers of 2400 bugs just by changing those bugs. This leaves us
in the
unfortunate situation to having to check dates etc. to see what the
status
really means, which is really bad.

So here is my proposal: I want to batch change all those old
unconfirmed bugs
(without the now obsolete CONFIRMED in whiteboard status) to state
NEEDINFO.
We can then be sure that a bug in state NEW is actually confirmed.
This is
urgent, because I think we have a good opportunity right now.
I want to do the bulk change with this comment:

[This is an automated message.]
This bug was filed before the changes to Bugzilla on 2011-10-16. Thus it
started right out as NEW without ever being explicitly confirmed. The
bug is
changed to state NEEDINFO for this reason. To move this bug from
NEEDINFO back
to NEW please check if the bug still persists with the 3.5.0 beta1
prerelease.
Details on how to test the 3.5.0 beta1 can be found at:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugHunting_Session_3.5.0.-1

By doing this, we would:
  a) get our bug data consistent (all NEW bug would have basic
confirmation)
  b) lure a lot more people into participating in the beta1 bug hunt
  c) do so without spamming a lot of people in vain.
  d) could get rid of the confusing UNCONFIRMED,CONFIRMED tags in
whiteboard status

To be effective for the bug hunting session this would have to be done
rather
fast. Thus, if nobody vetos this, I would do that tommorrow in ~500 bug
batches.

Objections? Vetos? Comments?

Best,

Bjoern


This at least provides the history of how things got from there to here

[libreoffice-users] Re: Numerical terms used in Base

[Andreas Säger]

Am 15.08.2012 22:31, Thomas Taylor wrote:

It's been way too many years since I did commercial programming on
databases and I've forgotten some of the terms (formats) for numerical
data.  I'm trying to create a simple database of local
facilities/doctors/stores with Base using the wizards. The formats that
are giving me trouble are:

Text[VARCHAR]- a variable number of type CHAR?
Text(fix)[CHAR]  - does that mean a fixed number of CHAR?


Right.


Integer[INTEGER] \
Numeric[NUMERIC]  > How do these differ?
Decimal{DECIMAL] /

There are tiny integers, small integers, integers and big integer 
numbers. Decimal(8,3) has 8 digits, 3 of them behind the point.

I don't know about Numeric. Never used that.


I looked in LibreOffice help but couldn't find the definitions.  Some
help would be appreciated.

Base is not a database program. It is a mere frontend. You may decide to 
wrap a HSQLDB backend into the frontend file which is a very unstable 
construction and should be avoided for production databases.

The embeddable HSQLDB 1.8 is documented here:

http://www.hsqldb.org/doc/1.8/guide/ch09.html




For instance, which format is used for a telephone number?
(1.800.123.4567)?



That is text unless you want to practice some arithmetic witchcraft on 
phone "numbers". A pattern control on a form can enforce the right 
pattern of points and digits.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Creating High Res Images in Draw or Impress

[Gabriel Risterucci]

When you put the desired dpi value, simply set the size to what you want. I
just tried in draw, got a big png :)

The fact that it change the size when you change the dpi feels like a bad
design issue, though the png export dialog looks quite "raw" as it is.

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2012/8/15 Mary Ellen Bost 

> Hi- not sure if this email thread is strictly for reporting bugs but I
> have a question and it's worth a shot.
>
> I hate gimp & need to create a few simple graphics in Draw or Impress. But
> they need to be a specific size and high resolution.
>
> I just created a picture 5.3in x 5.3 inch square in draw & exported it as
> a png. When the dpi option appeared- it was 48 dpi.
>
> If I increase the dpi...the image shrinks.
>
> I know that there is a plug in for PowerPoint that allows you to export
> images in created in a ppt as high res.
>
> Is there any plug in or anything I can do to create a high res image in
> any of the Libre Office programs?
>
> PLEASE! Help
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

[Bjørn K Nilssen]

På Sun, 12 Aug 2012 18:31:07 +0200, skrev Florian Effenberger  
:



Hello,

this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have changed  
(so-called "Reply to mangling" has been disabled).


So far, e-mails had set a reply-to the mailing list address. In other  
words, with any e-mail client, replies to e-mails on the list were  
automatically sent directly to the list.


Which is the whole idea of a mailing list IMO.



In the past, this lead to two major problems:

1. Several times, people have sent direct replies to the public list,  
where deleting them is nearly impossible. I remember at least one case  
where confidential information has been sent out that caused lots of  
worries for the sender and his employer. This happened because people  
hit "reply" and thought it would reply to the sender only.


That some people send private mail in public can't be a good argument to  
stop/hamper the flow on a miling list - surely?


2. I have heard complaints in the past from people, stating that working  
with the non-developer lists of LibreOffice is a pain for them, because  
of reply-to mangling, resulting in a lack of communication. This also  
led to the fact that numerous tasks were done by the same people, who  
needed to spend more and more time, instead of sharing the work burden  
with others. While I do not fully believe this argument, there's just  
one way to find out...


Therefore, I have applied a change:

Replies to e-mails from the list now only go to the original sender. You  
either need to use the "reply to all" feature of your e-mail program, or  
- preferably - the "reply to list"/"reply to group" feature, which will  
direct replies directly to the list.


This is common practice on most mailing lists, and even the default  
setting for our mailing list software, so we did not re-invent the wheel  
here. Those seeking for details should have a look at  
http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html


I checked every single one of my 52 current mailing lists, and not one  
single one of them follows that rule (except this one). One of them used  
the senders email + the list email in the Reply-To field, but that's it.  
And that list isn't really for discussing, but just for one-way  
information.


I'd like to see some statistics that shows that 'most mailing lists' does  
not put the list address in the Reply-To field ?


And where is the RFC?

And the poll?
Looks like most people wants to get it back to how it was, which is how  
all my other 51 lists still are?

Using the 'Reply to all' option is not a good idea at all IMO.

I know we had numerous discussions on this topic in the past, but the  
outcome was that roughly 50% were for this change, and 50% refused it,  
so I am really sitting between two chairs here, for which I beg for your  
understanding. On the one hand, those complaining the lists are unusable  
with reply-to mangling, on the other hand, those complaining the lists  
are unusable without reply-to mangling. Unfortunately, combining those  
two, even on a per-recipient basis, is not possible, so they are  
mutually exclusive to each other.


In order to find out the real impact, I simply changed the setting, and  
again, I beg for your understanding.


Do not worry: The mailing lists are for the community, so it's the  
community deciding how they should work. What I'd like to ask all of you  
is to try out for a few days if that change is good for each list or  
not. Should we find out it is more harmful than it helps, I will  
immediately switch back to the old behaviour.


Sorry for this short notice, and I beg for your understanding that I'm  
somehow sitting between two chairs here.


Florian




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[libreoffice-users] Re: relative HYPERLINK

[chilobo]

Jay Lozier wrote
> 
> I am puzzled by the sharing of the spreadsheet. Are the files stored on 
> a server with a fixed location or they passed out to users to install 
> locally?
> 
> Also, I would try setting up the linked files in a sub-folder of the 
> spreadsheet folder. If the the spreadsheet is in folder Project the 
> sub-folder would be Project/Files
> 
> See the following from the LO help
> 
>   *
> 
> The following rules apply: A relative reference
> ("graphic/picture.gif") is only possible when both files exist on
> the same drive. If the files are on different drives in your local
> file system, the absolute reference follows the "file:" protocol
> ("file:///data1/xyz/picture.gif"). If the files are on different
> servers or if the target of the link is not available, the absolute
> reference uses the "http:" protocol ("http://data2/abc/picture.gif";).
> 
> 
The image files are stored in a directory "B" (german "Bilder") relative to
the directory of the spreadsheet, the other links are stored in similarly
abbreviated subdirectories. 
Because some oft the other files are quite large the whole structure is
copied to locally available subdirectories on the users private PCs - some
Windows, some linux.
This is _not_ the problem. The problem is, that relative links don't work in
spreadsheets in Calc.









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[libreoffice-users] Creating High Res Images in Draw or Impress

[Mary Ellen Bost]

Hi- not sure if this email thread is strictly for reporting bugs but I have a 
question and it's worth a shot.

I hate gimp & need to create a few simple graphics in Draw or Impress. But they 
need to be a specific size and high resolution.

I just created a picture 5.3in x 5.3 inch square in draw & exported it as a 
png. When the dpi option appeared- it was 48 dpi.

If I increase the dpi...the image shrinks.

I know that there is a plug in for PowerPoint that allows you to export images 
in created in a ppt as high res.

Is there any plug in or anything I can do to create a high res image in any of 
the Libre Office programs?

PLEASE! Help

Thanks!
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.

[Marc Grober]

Yes and no.

The initial news about bug tracker issues went out in March.
Many responded, as did I,  updating the bug to confirm that it was still
a bug  In fact, at the time I specifically asked why we needed to
confirm the bug if in fact the bug was long stnding and nothing had been
done by developers about the resolution suggested.  The response was a
thank you for updating.

THEN, 5 MONTHS LATER, we received post facto notice that the bug had
been closed, an across the board second effort to change bug status
without regard to anything that had been done in March.

The March notice re 'my' bug was in fact bogus, because the bug was
documented very well, and status was simply not changed because no dev
took the time to address the bug.

On 8/15/12 12:54 PM, Andrew Brager wrote:
> 
> I was curious as to what the commotion on this subject was so I looked
> at the bug submitted wherein I found the automated message:
> 
>Björn Michaelsen 2011-12-23 12:27:51 UTC
>[This is an automated message.]
>This bug was filed before the changes to Bugzilla on 2011-10-16. Thus it
>started right out as NEW without ever being explicitly confirmed.
>The bug is
>changed to state NEEDINFO for this reason. To move this bug from
>NEEDINFO back
>to NEW please check if the bug still persists with the 3.5.0 beta1
>or beta2
>prereleases.
>Details on how to test the 3.5.0 beta1 can be found at:
>http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugHunting_Session_3.5.0.-1
> 
>more detail on this bulk operation:
>   
> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/RFC-Operation-Spamzilla-tp3607474p3607474.html
> 
> 
> 
> Seems pretty clear to me.  In fact, if one actually goes to the trouble
> of clicking on the bulk operation link, one finds complete information
> regarding what was done and why.  To make it more convenient for you
> all, I present a portion of the information here:
> 
>>
>> here is an urgent request for comments. We still have ~2400 bugs in
>> state NEW
>> from the pre-Bugzilla 4.0 days. Back then we had no initial state
>> UNCONFIRMED,
>> so unfortunately they started with NEW. This is changed now for new
>> bugs, but
>> the old ones are still in state NEW because we did not want to spam the
>> subscribers of 2400 bugs just by changing those bugs. This leaves us
>> in the
>> unfortunate situation to having to check dates etc. to see what the
>> status
>> really means, which is really bad.
>>
>> So here is my proposal: I want to batch change all those old
>> unconfirmed bugs
>> (without the now obsolete CONFIRMED in whiteboard status) to state
>> NEEDINFO.
>> We can then be sure that a bug in state NEW is actually confirmed.
>> This is
>> urgent, because I think we have a good opportunity right now.
>> I want to do the bulk change with this comment:
>>
>> [This is an automated message.]
>> This bug was filed before the changes to Bugzilla on 2011-10-16. Thus it
>> started right out as NEW without ever being explicitly confirmed. The
>> bug is
>> changed to state NEEDINFO for this reason. To move this bug from
>> NEEDINFO back
>> to NEW please check if the bug still persists with the 3.5.0 beta1
>> prerelease.
>> Details on how to test the 3.5.0 beta1 can be found at:
>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugHunting_Session_3.5.0.-1
>>
>> By doing this, we would:
>>  a) get our bug data consistent (all NEW bug would have basic
>> confirmation)
>>  b) lure a lot more people into participating in the beta1 bug hunt
>>  c) do so without spamming a lot of people in vain.
>>  d) could get rid of the confusing UNCONFIRMED,CONFIRMED tags in
>> whiteboard status
>>
>> To be effective for the bug hunting session this would have to be done
>> rather
>> fast. Thus, if nobody vetos this, I would do that tommorrow in ~500 bug
>> batches.
>>
>> Objections? Vetos? Comments?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Bjoern
>>
> This at least provides the history of how things got from there to here
> and so could help provide a better understanding.
> 
> I do agree that there needs to be better information regarding how to
> change the status, as it's unclear (to me at least) how the status got
> changed to "RESOLVED INVALID", other than the fact that Leif stated very
> clearly in this particular bug:
> 
>> _Not actually a bug _but more an easy improvement to the user interface.
> 
> Perhaps that's the reason it became "invalid".  I'm simply guessing.
> 
> It would seem any perceived problems stem from Bugzilla and attempts to
> make improvements to the bug fixing process.  Where it may have broken
> down is in the uncertain area of what happened when Leif responded to
> the NEEDINFO request.  The question becomes, did Bugzilla change the
> status to NEW as Bjoern implies would happen and then a developer
> further changed the status to RESOLVED INVALID?  If so, then perhaps
> that particular status needs better detail from the developer (or QA) as
> Leif requests - something like "Not a bug, but an enhancement re

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.

[Andrew Brager]

I was curious as to what the commotion on this subject was so I looked 
at the bug submitted wherein I found the automated message:


   Björn Michaelsen 2011-12-23 12:27:51 UTC
   [This is an automated message.]
   This bug was filed before the changes to Bugzilla on 2011-10-16. Thus it
   started right out as NEW without ever being explicitly confirmed.
   The bug is
   changed to state NEEDINFO for this reason. To move this bug from
   NEEDINFO back
   to NEW please check if the bug still persists with the 3.5.0 beta1
   or beta2
   prereleases.
   Details on how to test the 3.5.0 beta1 can be found at:
   http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugHunting_Session_3.5.0.-1

   more detail on this bulk operation:
   
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/RFC-Operation-Spamzilla-tp3607474p3607474.html


Seems pretty clear to me.  In fact, if one actually goes to the trouble 
of clicking on the bulk operation link, one finds complete information 
regarding what was done and why.  To make it more convenient for you 
all, I present a portion of the information here:




here is an urgent request for comments. We still have ~2400 bugs in 
state NEW
from the pre-Bugzilla 4.0 days. Back then we had no initial state 
UNCONFIRMED,
so unfortunately they started with NEW. This is changed now for new 
bugs, but

the old ones are still in state NEW because we did not want to spam the
subscribers of 2400 bugs just by changing those bugs. This leaves us 
in the
unfortunate situation to having to check dates etc. to see what the 
status

really means, which is really bad.

So here is my proposal: I want to batch change all those old 
unconfirmed bugs
(without the now obsolete CONFIRMED in whiteboard status) to state 
NEEDINFO.
We can then be sure that a bug in state NEW is actually confirmed. 
This is

urgent, because I think we have a good opportunity right now.
I want to do the bulk change with this comment:

[This is an automated message.]
This bug was filed before the changes to Bugzilla on 2011-10-16. Thus it
started right out as NEW without ever being explicitly confirmed. The 
bug is
changed to state NEEDINFO for this reason. To move this bug from 
NEEDINFO back
to NEW please check if the bug still persists with the 3.5.0 beta1 
prerelease.

Details on how to test the 3.5.0 beta1 can be found at:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugHunting_Session_3.5.0.-1

By doing this, we would:
 a) get our bug data consistent (all NEW bug would have basic 
confirmation)

 b) lure a lot more people into participating in the beta1 bug hunt
 c) do so without spamming a lot of people in vain.
 d) could get rid of the confusing UNCONFIRMED,CONFIRMED tags in 
whiteboard status


To be effective for the bug hunting session this would have to be done 
rather

fast. Thus, if nobody vetos this, I would do that tommorrow in ~500 bug
batches.

Objections? Vetos? Comments?

Best,

Bjoern

This at least provides the history of how things got from there to here 
and so could help provide a better understanding.


I do agree that there needs to be better information regarding how to 
change the status, as it's unclear (to me at least) how the status got 
changed to "RESOLVED INVALID", other than the fact that Leif stated very 
clearly in this particular bug:



_Not actually a bug _but more an easy improvement to the user interface.


Perhaps that's the reason it became "invalid".  I'm simply guessing.

It would seem any perceived problems stem from Bugzilla and attempts to 
make improvements to the bug fixing process.  Where it may have broken 
down is in the uncertain area of what happened when Leif responded to 
the NEEDINFO request.  The question becomes, did Bugzilla change the 
status to NEW as Bjoern implies would happen and then a developer 
further changed the status to RESOLVED INVALID?  If so, then perhaps 
that particular status needs better detail from the developer (or QA) as 
Leif requests - something like "Not a bug, but an enhancement request".  
And then perhaps a pointer to how to submit enhancement requests.  To 
me, a better status message would have simply been "ENHANCEMENT REQUEST" 
and then left in that state as an open request rather than "RESOLVED".  
That way developers could easily find such requests.


Obviously I'd have to look at each individual bug to see if these 
comments apply, but since Andreas stated in another post that this bug 
was...
The perfect example for what went wrong here. Someone tagged it 
blindly as "NEEDINFO" although the request for improvement is 
perfectly clear even for me who never used Impress for anything but 
viewing. 
... I thought I'd take a look at "the perfect example".  We now see why 
it was "tagged blindly".



Leif is perfectly right when he states:

Half the problem is communication. If the process has been more clear 
and accurate it wouldn't have been a problem. Why not explain the 
process and the reason for closing these issues? Why not explain what 
it means that th

[libreoffice-users] Numerical terms used in Base

[Thomas Taylor]

It's been way too many years since I did commercial programming on
databases and I've forgotten some of the terms (formats) for numerical
data.  I'm trying to create a simple database of local
facilities/doctors/stores with Base using the wizards. The formats that
are giving me trouble are:

Text[VARCHAR]- a variable number of type CHAR?
Text(fix)[CHAR]  - does that mean a fixed number of CHAR?
Integer[INTEGER] \
Numeric[NUMERIC]  > How do these differ?
Decimal{DECIMAL] /

I looked in LibreOffice help but couldn't find the definitions.  Some
help would be appreciated.

For instance, which format is used for a telephone number?
(1.800.123.4567)?

Thanks, Tom

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Re: [libreoffice-users] turn off header/footer default popup?

[Manfred J. Krause]

Hi Don,

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Don Anderson wrote:
> Curses... absolutely not?  Any chance this might be changed in the next
> version?
>
> It is a constant annoyance, if there is no solution, I will be switching to
> Apache's OO.

With another annoyance?  ;)

Maybe two "workarounds" (somehow or other):
- If practicable, edit your document in 'Web Layout' (Menu View → Web Layout)
- Play with the color settings:  Menu Tools → Options → LibreOffice →
Appearance → Custom colors → Text Document → Headers and footer
delimiters.

mjk


> On 08/14/2012 03:09 PM, Manfred J. Krause wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Don Anderson wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello, I am not quite sure how to use this listserv, so my apologies if I
>>> am
>>> doing something incorrectly.
>>>
>>> Using LO 3.5.3.2, everytime I'm near the top of a page in Writer, a blue
>>> line appears and the words "Header (Default)" inviting me to type in the
>>> header field.  Likewise with the footer when I'm near the bottom of the
>>> page.
>>>
>>> Is there any way to turn this behavior off?
>>
>> Unfortunately not.
>>
>> You may add a comment to
>> Bug 46141 - UI: Header/footer prompts should only appear if user
>> clicks in header/footer area
>> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46141
>>
>> mjk

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.

[Marc Grober]

Ditto on mine.  this was just mindless



On 8/15/12 10:50 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:
> Am 15.08.2012 20:05, leif wrote:
>>
>> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39523
>>
>> The bug has never been commented by humans and all later activity was
>> automated (except the once from my hand).
>>
> 
> The perfect example for what went wrong here. Someone tagged it blindly
> as "NEEDINFO" although the request for improvement is perfectly clear
> even for me who never used Impress for anything but viewing.
> I open an Impress window, call 2 built-in menu commands and I do not
> need any more info.
> 
> 


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Re: [libreoffice-users] turn off header/footer default popup?

[Dan]

anne-ology wrote:

So here's another reason not to update from 3.4;
my suggestion would be to delete this version and re-install the
previous one, where these can be turned off.



   Or you could keep your cursor below the top of the text area of 
a document. You could also create a default template which will have a 
solid 10% gray line around the text area. Just don't stray above the top 
of this "grey box".


--Dan


On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Don Anderson  wrote:

Hello, I am not quite sure how to use this listserv, so my apologies if I

am doing something incorrectly.

Using LO 3.5.3.2, everytime I'm near the top of a page in Writer, a blue
line appears and the words "Header (Default)" inviting me to type in the
header field.  Likewise with the footer when I'm near the bottom of the
page.

Is there any way to turn this behavior off?






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Re: [libreoffice-users] turn off header/footer default popup?

[anne-ology]

   So here's another reason not to update from 3.4;
   my suggestion would be to delete this version and re-install the
previous one, where these can be turned off.



On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Don Anderson  wrote:

Hello, I am not quite sure how to use this listserv, so my apologies if I
> am doing something incorrectly.
>
> Using LO 3.5.3.2, everytime I'm near the top of a page in Writer, a blue
> line appears and the words "Header (Default)" inviting me to type in the
> header field.  Likewise with the footer when I'm near the bottom of the
> page.
>
> Is there any way to turn this behavior off?
>

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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reply settings on this list have changed

[Dan Hall]

In Outlook 2003 SP3 - Reply = Jay Lozier  and 
Reply to All = Jay Lozier ;users@global.libreoffice.org.
There is no Reply to List in Outlook.

-Original Message-
From: Jay Lozier [mailto:jsloz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 8:23 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reply settings on this list have
changed

On 08/14/2012 07:24 PM, anne-ology wrote:
> no, this 'reply to list' option does not exist for many of us.
Do you have a reply all option?

You may want to check what email address is used in the To field with 
reply or reply all.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 4:07 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P <
> webmas...@krackedpress.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I have a couple of Web-based email accounts, but I have to look them up
>> [and their passwords] since I have not used them for more than 6 months.
>>   It would be interesting to see of they have the Reply to List option
>> instead of the Reply All option, like Thunderbird has.  Those accounts
were
>> Hotmail, Yahoo-Mail, Netzero-mail, and a few others that I had to sign up
>> for so I could get access to their free services, for one reason or
>> another.  But, I do not use them.  I own several domains, so I can create
>> my own email addresses off them anytime I need a new one.
>>
>> Does Outlook [and the old Outlook Express], and MS's "Mail" package that
>> is on Win7, have the Reply to List option instead of Reply All?
>>
>>


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: relative HYPERLINK

[Jay Lozier]

On 08/15/2012 01:21 PM, chilobo wrote:

Andreas Säger wrote


You can not misuse a spreadsheet like this and expect that it works in 2
applications. Things may change if Excel 13 really provides full ODF
support but nobody believes that MS will go that far.
Needless to say that no spreadsheet application will ever work like a
database.
This would be very easy to implement with a Base database and a few
lines of macro code.


I know that, ultimately we will transfer our data to a database. But during
the process of entering data it is easier for the different users to use the
well-know spreadsheet software :)

Anyway: Shouldn't Calc be able to work with relative hyperlinks correctly?
I am puzzled by the sharing of the spreadsheet. Are the files stored on 
a server with a fixed location or they passed out to users to install 
locally?


Also, I would try setting up the linked files in a sub-folder of the 
spreadsheet folder. If the the spreadsheet is in folder Project the 
sub-folder would be Project/Files


See the following from the LO help

 *

   The following rules apply: A relative reference
   ("graphic/picture.gif") is only possible when both files exist on
   the same drive. If the files are on different drives in your local
   file system, the absolute reference follows the "file:" protocol
   ("file:///data1/xyz/picture.gif"). If the files are on different
   servers or if the target of the link is not available, the absolute
   reference uses the "http:" protocol ("http://data2/abc/picture.gif";).




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.

[Andreas Säger]

Am 15.08.2012 20:05, leif wrote:


https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39523

The bug has never been commented by humans and all later activity was
automated (except the once from my hand).



The perfect example for what went wrong here. Someone tagged it blindly 
as "NEEDINFO" although the request for improvement is perfectly clear 
even for me who never used Impress for anything but viewing.
I open an Impress window, call 2 built-in menu commands and I do not 
need any more info.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: relative HYPERLINK

[Andreas Säger]

Am 15.08.2012 19:21, chilobo wrote:


Anyway: Shouldn't Calc be able to work with relative hyperlinks correctly?






Obviously, the developers have a different opinion. They block this 
feature with a warning message. At this point I trust that the 
developers know very well what they do.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.

[leif]

Hi Stuart,
I agree that when we report bug we should do what we can to supply as 
much information as possible. The problem here - from my point of view - 
is that a lot of issues was marked as NEEDINFO by mistake. I have at 
least one (and its my impression that there are more) that doesn't need 
any info. All it needs is a little attention from the QA/devs.


I have posted some issues over time but I don't think I will bother in 
the future. My time seems to be not appreciated?


https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39523

The bug has never been commented by humans and all later activity was 
automated (except the once from my hand).


If QA and dev groups think this approach is the right way to go then I 
am afraid that we will have huge difficulties finding new 
non-programmers participate in the QA-process.


Half the problem is communication. If the process has been more clear 
and accurate it wouldn't have been a problem. Why not explain the 
process and the reason for closing these issues? Why not explain what it 
means that the issue has been closed? Why not explain what the owner 
could do to re-invoke the issue? Why not find another status that 
"RESOLVED INVALID". These issues are not resolved nor invalid.


i try to encourage people to submit issues if they have problems. I also 
try teach them to give enough information. But some are not very good at 
English and others are not very technical minded. These "amateurs" got 
scarred and will stay away in the future. That is not what we need at 
current. We need to embrace and encourage - not scare away.


Cheers,
Leif




On 15-08-2012 19:20, V Stuart Foote wrote:

Yes the apology was issued over on the Dev and QA lists--inserted below.
But we folks on the QA and User side do have a responsibility to follow our
bugs when posted, and to participate when calls for NEEDINFO are issued. And
also, that when bugs are closed we reopen them with careful attention to the
information needed to fully describe the bug and the quality of detail the
Devs will needs to resolve.

Otherwise, let's move on folks!

Stuart



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reply settings on this list have changed

[Steve Edmonds]

I think the safe response when using the changed list settings is use 
Reply-all. For simplicity, the only instruction to users of the lists 
that works consistently is Reply-all.


steve

On 2012-08-16 05:22, Jay Lozier wrote:

On 08/15/2012 12:09 PM, Dan Hall wrote:

In Outlook 2003 SP3 - Reply = Jay Lozier  and
Reply to All = Jay Lozier 
;users@global.libreoffice.org.

There is no Reply to List in Outlook.

Dan,

My reply options changed to "reply all" not "reply list" in 
Thunderbird when I received your email. The to field is your email and 
the cc is users@global.libreoffice.org.


It appears there is some inconsistent behavior with email clients and 
webmail sites depending on how they receive the email


Jay






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reply settings on this list have changed

[Jay Lozier]

On 08/15/2012 12:09 PM, Dan Hall wrote:

In Outlook 2003 SP3 - Reply = Jay Lozier  and
Reply to All = Jay Lozier ;users@global.libreoffice.org.
There is no Reply to List in Outlook.

Dan,

My reply options changed to "reply all" not "reply list" in Thunderbird 
when I received your email. The to field is your email and the cc is 
users@global.libreoffice.org.


It appears there is some inconsistent behavior with email clients and 
webmail sites depending on how they receive the email


Jay



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[libreoffice-users] Re: relative HYPERLINK

[chilobo]

Andreas Säger wrote
> 
> 
> You can not misuse a spreadsheet like this and expect that it works in 2 
> applications. Things may change if Excel 13 really provides full ODF 
> support but nobody believes that MS will go that far.
> Needless to say that no spreadsheet application will ever work like a 
> database.
> This would be very easy to implement with a Base database and a few 
> lines of macro code.
> 

I know that, ultimately we will transfer our data to a database. But during
the process of entering data it is easier for the different users to use the
well-know spreadsheet software :)

Anyway: Shouldn't Calc be able to work with relative hyperlinks correctly?



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.

[V Stuart Foote]

Marc Grober wrote
> 
> First,  I may be inconsequential,  but I did not see any apology.
> Perhaps it only went out on the dev list.
> 

Yes the apology was issued over on the Dev and QA lists--inserted below. 
But we folks on the QA and User side do have a responsibility to follow our
bugs when posted, and to participate when calls for NEEDINFO are issued. And
also, that when bugs are closed we reopen them with careful attention to the
information needed to fully describe the bug and the quality of detail the
Devs will needs to resolve.

Otherwise, let's move on folks!

Stuart


Joel Madero (to the Devs and QA lists) wrote
> 
> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:33:49 -0700
> From: Joel Madero 
> Subject: Bug Closing Automation - Apology
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> First off, sorry that I'm starting a new thread, I'm not sure how to
> "reply" to something from the digest in gmail.
> 
> A couple days ago there was a very brief discussion about NEEDINFO and
> that it wasn't very useful to have the NEEDINFO status sit for weeks or
> months on end if the users weren't responding to our requests for more
> information. I jumped the gun and asked if there was a way to automate
> closing these bugs if they were open for some period of time, another user
> volunteered to do this and went ahead and did it. I take full
> responsibility for the ill feelings, I should have waited longer for more
> input and thought about it more clearly before requesting if someone had
> the ability to automatically close these bugs. It has pissed off quite a
> few people, I take the blame, please direct your irritation my way and not
> at Florian or any other member of the QA team.
> 
> Best wishes to everyone,
> 
> Joel
> 




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Error while building LibreOffice from source code in the configure step

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On 08/15/2012 12:35 PM, WhiteHotLoveTiger wrote:

I'm having the exact same issue right now. I'm trying to compile LibreOffice
on Slackware, but I've getting an error with the configure script.

checking which zlib to use... configure: line 22528: syntax error near
unexpected token 'MINIZIP,'
configure: line 22518: 'libo_MINGW_CHECK_DLL(MINIZIP, libminizip)'

Did anyone else ever find a solution to this?
I would post this to the dev list. Most on this list probably have never 
built LO from source.


Does Slackware have LO in its repositories? If so, I would install that 
version.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: relative HYPERLINK

[Andreas Säger]

Am 15.08.2012 19:01, chilobo wrote:



I found that too, but that doesn't help me. I have a growing database, now
about 1000 datasets, in future about 4000. I will have about 5000 links to
pictures and PDF-documents of which about 4500 will be generated by
formulas, about 500 entered directly, but relative because I have to pass
the sheet to different users using Excel and Calc.




You can not misuse a spreadsheet like this and expect that it works in 2 
applications. Things may change if Excel 13 really provides full ODF 
support but nobody believes that MS will go that far.
Needless to say that no spreadsheet application will ever work like a 
database.
This would be very easy to implement with a Base database and a few 
lines of macro code.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: relative HYPERLINK

[chilobo]

Am 15.08.2012 18:12, schrieb Andreas Säger [via Document Foundation Mail
Archive]:
> Am 15.08.2012 17:50, chilobo wrote:
> > Why can't Calc handle relative links correctly?
> >
>
> Let's do a simple test with a relative URL:
> =HYPERLINK("./B/file.xyz")
> [Click]
> Security warning: "For security reasons, the hyperlink can not be
> executed."
This happened in version 3.5.x.y
I installed 3.6.0.4 today.
There Calc states:
... ist keine absolute URL, die zum Öffnen an eine externe Anwendung
übergeben werden kann.

>
> Whenever you use an ordinary static hyperlink anywhere in this office
> suite, it will be treated as a relative one even when it is displayed as
> an absolute URL:
> Insert>Hyperlink... point to ./B/file.xyz
> Now copy the document together with the B folder to some other place and
> open the new document. The hyperlink will point to the file in the new B
> folder.
>
I found that too, but that doesn't help me. I have a growing database, now
about 1000 datasets, in future about 4000. I will have about 5000 links to
pictures and PDF-documents of which about 4500 will be generated by
formulas, about 500 entered directly, but relative because I have to pass
the sheet to different users using Excel and Calc.




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[libreoffice-users] Cells stay blank and I need to re-enter formula

[intmai...@gmail.com]

Cells stay blank and I need to enter again formula

Hello,

I have downloaded Windows libo 3.5.5 French release.
I am working with an excel 2007 file. After opening file with libo, I see that 
some
of formula dont give any result.
Cells stay blank.
I have to copy formula, past, then press ENTER key to obtain apropriate
value.

Question is: how to force libo to calculate automaticaly without refreshing ?

Thank you.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Error while building LibreOffice from source code in the configure step

[WhiteHotLoveTiger]

I'm having the exact same issue right now. I'm trying to compile LibreOffice
on Slackware, but I've getting an error with the configure script. 

checking which zlib to use... configure: line 22528: syntax error near
unexpected token 'MINIZIP,'
configure: line 22518: 'libo_MINGW_CHECK_DLL(MINIZIP, libminizip)'

Did anyone else ever find a solution to this?



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[libreoffice-users] text from left to right

[מור כהן]

Hello,

I have trouble changing the text from left to right and vice versa. Every
time I click on the icon it doesn't do anything.
What should I do?

thank you,
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[libreoffice-users] Re: relative HYPERLINK

[Andreas Säger]

Am 15.08.2012 17:50, chilobo wrote:

Why can't Calc handle relative links correctly?



Let's do a simple test with a relative URL:
=HYPERLINK("./B/file.xyz")
[Click]
Security warning: "For security reasons, the hyperlink can not be executed."

Whenever you use an ordinary static hyperlink anywhere in this office 
suite, it will be treated as a relative one even when it is displayed as 
an absolute URL:

Insert>Hyperlink... point to ./B/file.xyz
Now copy the document together with the B folder to some other place and 
open the new document. The hyperlink will point to the file in the new B 
folder.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: relative HYPERLINK

[chilobo]

Andreas Säger wrote
>  wrote:
> 
> Excel does not even know what an URL is. Excel uses Windows specific 
> path names.
> 
> Open some local *.html file in your favourite browser and look at the 
> file:// URL in the address bar.
> More specific information about the internet world:
>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/URL
> 
> Save the document somewhere so it has some path.
> Tools>Options>Calc>Calculation: "Enable regular expressions in formulae"
> Insert>Names>Insert [Ctrl+F3]
> [Add]
> Name: MyPath (or something else)
> "Range" (idiotic label since "named ranges" are formula expressions):
> MID(CELL("filename");2;SEARCH("/[^/]+$";CELL("filename"))-1)
> in German:
> TEIL(ZELLE("filename");2;SUCHEN("/[^/]+$";ZELLE("filename"))-1)
> [Add], [OK]
> 
> Test with cell formula =MyPath should return the URL-path including a 
> trailing slash.
> 
> =HYPERLINK(MyPath&"B/"&B974&".jpg") creates a hyperlink pointing to a 
> .jpg file in subdirectory B with the name in cell B974.
> chived and cannot be deleted
> 

I was thinking about a similar solution: My users of the spreadsheet would
have to enter the absolute directory where they store the spreadsheet (and
the directory for the images) and I would use this path to produce an
absolute path. 

This enlarges my sheet and because I also have hardlinked (without formula,
just relative links) data in the spreadsheet requires further action 

Why can't Calc handle relative links correctly?

Thank you for your answer.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: relative HYPERLINK

[Andreas Säger]

Am 15.08.2012 17:01, chilobo wrote:

Hello!

I'm working with Libre Office 3.6.0.4 on Windows 7 64-bit.
In Calc I used the formula
=HYPERLINK(VERKETTEN("B\";B974;".jpg");VERKETTEN("B\";B974;".jpg"))
to produce an Hyperlink to a local Image based on the reference to B974.
When moving the cursor above the cell the corresponding destination is shown
and is OK (and its relative).

When clicking oder Strg-clicking on the cell I get:
B\20123.jpg ist keine absolute URL, die zum Öffnen an eine externe Anwendung
übergeben werden kann.

something like "Cannot submit URL to external Application because URL is
relative."

When I produce an absolute URL it works fine.
Exporting to Excel with relative URL works.



Excel does not even know what an URL is. Excel uses Windows specific 
path names.


Open some local *.html file in your favourite browser and look at the 
file:// URL in the address bar.

More specific information about the internet world:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/URL


Save the document somewhere so it has some path.
Tools>Options>Calc>Calculation: "Enable regular expressions in formulae"
Insert>Names>Insert [Ctrl+F3]
[Add]
Name: MyPath (or something else)
"Range" (idiotic label since "named ranges" are formula expressions):
MID(CELL("filename");2;SEARCH("/[^/]+$";CELL("filename"))-1)
in German:
TEIL(ZELLE("filename");2;SUCHEN("/[^/]+$";ZELLE("filename"))-1)
[Add], [OK]

Test with cell formula =MyPath should return the URL-path including a 
trailing slash.


=HYPERLINK(MyPath&"B/"&B974&".jpg") creates a hyperlink pointing to a 
.jpg file in subdirectory B with the name in cell B974.



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[libreoffice-users] relative HYPERLINK

[chilobo]

Hello!

I'm working with Libre Office 3.6.0.4 on Windows 7 64-bit.
In Calc I used the formula
=HYPERLINK(VERKETTEN("B\";B974;".jpg");VERKETTEN("B\";B974;".jpg"))
to produce an Hyperlink to a local Image based on the reference to B974. 
When moving the cursor above the cell the corresponding destination is shown
and is OK (and its relative).

When clicking oder Strg-clicking on the cell I get:
B\20123.jpg ist keine absolute URL, die zum Öffnen an eine externe Anwendung
übergeben werden kann.

something like "Cannot submit URL to external Application because URL is
relative."

When I produce an absolute URL it works fine.
Exporting to Excel with relative URL works.

But I have to pass the spreadsheet to users with libre Office who want to
put the Sheet and Images in a different directory than on my computer :)

Is it a bug or do you know a workaround?



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Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] What the heck happened to the thesaurus in LO 3.6???

[webmaster-Kracked_P_P]

On 08/15/2012 12:54 AM, MR ZenWiz wrote:

Grr - I forgot to reply-to-all (foo).


-- Forwarded message --
From: MR ZenWiz 
Date: Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] What the heck happened to the
thesaurus in LO 3.6???
To: Doug 


On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Doug  wrote:
:

Have you looked at the Artha Thesaurus/Dictionary? It's free, runs on
Linux, does not invoke Bing or any other junk like that.  Try it.


Thanks, but that really doesn't replace the embedded thesaurus that
used to be in LO.  If I have to go external, I usually use
thesaurus.com.



Install this dictionary/thesaurus.  If it gives you a thesaurus back, 
then it is a problem with 3.6.0's thesaurus.  If it does not, then 
something is wrong with the system itself.  Also try renaming the 
".libreoffice" hidden folder to see if by the package generating a new 
one it gives you back your thesaurus.


http://libreoffice-na.us/English-3.5-installs/add-on-dictionaries-large-list/kpp-american-english-dictionary-plus-tech-words-773407-words.oxt

I do have other version of English, if American English is not what you 
need, plus over 180 other dictionaries, thesaurus, etc., in the 
dictionary list.


http://libreoffice-na.us/English-3.5-installs/dictionary.html#english

---

Also, Artha is the best offline definition and thesaurus package I know 
of, but it is easier to have on inside LO.  Artha will give you more 
info than LO's system might for the thesaurus, though.  The key for me 
is the fact that is it an "offline" package so you do not need to have 
the package look up the needed search at some web site to give you the 
results.  I include it with the current NA-DVD package as one of the 
"Extras".




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[libreoffice-users] Re: 3.6.0.4 (Build:104) crashes on startup on Mac OS X 10.8.0 (12A269)

[Ben Smith-Mannschott]

SOLVED

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Ben Smith-Mannschott
 wrote:
> I'm on an iMac running Mountain Lion (Mac OS X 10.8.0).
>
> I just replaced my previous installation of LibreOffice 3.3.4
> (Build:401) with 3.6.0.4 (Build:104). 3.3.4 was working fine. 3.6.0.4
> crashes on startup.
>
> I'm not seeing other posts about this on th, so maybe It's Just Me [TM].

In an off-list mail, Eugene Zaretskiy was kind enough to point me at
the annoying bugs of the release notes located here:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=ReleaseNotes/3.6#Most_annoying_bugs

Which reads in part:

# Various problems with bundled extensions. This includes, but is not
# necessarily limited to the below issues. Work-around: manually
# remove the per-user cache for bundled extensions and restart
# LibreOffice. How to do this is platform-dependend.[sic]
# On Linux, in a terminal window enter
#   “rm -rf ~/.config/libreoffice/3/user/extensions”.
# On Mac OS X, in a Terminal window enter
#   “rm -rf ~/Library/Application\ Support/LibreOffice/3/user/extensions”.
# On Microsoft Windows, in a Command Prompt window enter
#   “rmdir /q /s %appdata%\LibreOffice\3\user\extensions”
# (and note the requirement# to restart LibreOffice twice, see above).

This did the trick for me. LibreOffice starts without problems after
deleting the user/extensions directory.

// Ben

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.

[Andreas Säger]

Am 15.08.2012 08:03, Thomas Taylor wrote:


Hi Andreas,
I am not trying to be critical but for the last 2-3 releases no email
message was received about "NEED INFO".  That had been done in earlier
releases.  Is there a malfunction in the bug reporting system?  My
programming days are many years behind but it seems to me an automated
tracking system should send a message to the reporter when additional
information is needed.  Then if a response is not received within a
specified time-frame the report could be downgraded or closed.

Thanks, Tom



Sorry, I have no idea how to make my bug reports any clearer. Only on 
very rare occasions I've had this kind of problem with the 
OpenOffice.org QA.
One of my NEEDINFO issues has been fixed after I added a document for a 
most obvious bug ("most obvous" means: apply built-in feature with 
options and see).

Some other guy could not copy and run a Basic snippet (facepalm).
I recognize that some other bug is intended (implicit conversion of 
ambiguous strings).
I recognize that *any* new feature from anybody is embraced even when it 
comes without documentation, without API, without reason, let alone 
specification.
I recognize that there are plenty of resources for proprietary file 
formats and unapproachable VBA compatibility.


This software is like a sandheap where some people pile up more material 
while others inject water. To the outside world everything looks great 
so far ...




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Fwd: [libreoffice-users] 3.6 vs Windows 7

[Manfred J. Krause]

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From: Michael Smith <...>
Date: Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] 3.6 vs Windows 7
To: "Manfred J. Krause" <...>


That did it.  Thank you.

  GB



--- On *Tue, 8/14/12, Manfred J. Krause <...
>* wrote:


From: Manfred J. Krause <... >
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] 3.6 vs Windows 7
To: "Michael Smith" <... >
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Tuesday, August 14, 2012, 5:59 PM

Hi Michael,

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Michael Smith wrote:
>
> I am receiving a FATAL ERROR EXCEPTION and a RUNTIME ERROR when I try to
start 3.6 on either of my Windows 7 machines (32 bit and 64 bit).  I was
able to successfully run it on a machine with XP.
> I will appreciate any help you might provide.

Removing (or renaming) the directory "extensions" in your LibreOffice
user profile should solve your problem.
(%appdata%\LibreOffice\3\user\extensions)

Then restart LibreOffice (twice).

See also:
→ http://ask.libreoffice.org/question/4768/fatal-error-unhandled-exception/
→
http://ask.libreoffice.org/question/4645/libreoffice-360-always-crash-after-install-why/?answer=4675#post-id-4675
→ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53381
→ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53006
→ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51252
→
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=ReleaseNotes/3.6#Most_annoying_bugs
→
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/REVIEW-3-6-fdo-53006-Force-reinstall-of-all-bundled-extensions-on-upgrade-td3999123.html#none

Hope this helps
mjk

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Re: [libreoffice-users] What happened to LO 3.6's place memory?

[Jean-Francois Nifenecker]

Le 15/08/2012 06:56, MR ZenWiz a écrit :

I just noticed also that when I close a document, then reopen it, LO
3.6 no longer remembers where I was.  This was a really nice feature
that has been in LO at least since 3.0, but now it appears to be gone.



WAD here.

Just make sure your personal information is present in Tools / Options / 
LibreOffice / Personal data (item names freely translated from my FR 
interface).


HTH,
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