Re: [libreoffice-users] very slow download of LO 5.3.1

[Charles Marcus]

You're hitting a slow/problematic mirror, happens sometimes... 

On March 19, 2017 7:17:11 AM EDT, mboleslav  wrote:
>Since Friday evening I experience a problem with downloading LO 5.3.1.
>The
>download indicator shows 2-3 hours, however having downloaded previous
>versions earlier I experienced downloading within very few minutes. My
>internet connection is all right. Is the issue somewhere en route or is
>there something wrong on the server? Thank you for info.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Update and extension grizzles and aggravation

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On 2011-04-28 1:40 AM, Cliff Scott wrote:
 Charles Marcus wrote on Tue, 26 Apr 2011 11:17:17 -0400
 Two? I have only ever had to deselect all of the other dictionaries, the
 language itself is usually only defaulted to install English.

 Or is there another one I've been missing that accounts for why the
 properties in 'Add/Remove Programs' still shows the hug string of every
 single language even though I only want/need English?

 It still normally installs a whole list of language packs, but doesn't use
 them unless you later request to change languages.

Not when I've installed it (dozens of times now) - it only has two
languages seletced by default - EN-US and EN-UK (I think, thats from
memory)... but I know it is only the dictionaries I have to deselect-all
then select only the english...

This is on Windows, both XP and 7...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Update and extension grizzles and aggravation

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-04-25 10:07 PM, Cliff Scott wrote:
 You can solve your own problem by deselecting them during
 installation.

But you also have to choose 'Custom Install' first to be able to
deselect them.

 They only install because they are selected by default, which IMHO 
 should not be done.

+1000

The only language related stuff that should be selected by default is
the detected language version of the OS itself.

 It takes a minute or so, but there are two lists that you have to go 
 through and deselect all the dictionaries and language stuff you
 don't want to install.

Two? I have only ever had to deselect all of the other dictionaries, the
language itself is usually only defaulted to install English.

Or is there another one I've been missing that accounts for why the
properties in 'Add/Remove Programs' still shows the hug string of every
single language even though I only want/need English?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Re: Unsubscribe

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-04-20 11:01 PM, Len Philpot wrote:
 So is there any other way other than the (non-functional) email
 method to unsub from this list?

It works fine, as long as you

1. know how to read,

2. understand that you may have to check your spam folder for the
   returned instructions, especially if you have a brain-dead spam
   filter, and

3. actually take the time to read *and* *follow* the instructions you
   receive

Of course, a lot of people don't possess these simple abilities, hence
all of the noise on the list about how to unsub.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Libreoffice

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-04-19 4:24 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
 
 Just speculation here, but I wonder if 64 bit Windows could be part of
 the problems.  32 bit software is supposed to run under 64 bit, but we
 are talking about Windows.

LibO 3.3.2 installs fine on 64 bit Win7 Pro (at least on the 6+ PCs I've
installed it on so far)...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Convert formulae to actual

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-03-21 4:14 PM, James Wilde wrote:
 Sorry, Jean-Francois.  There is no Copy Special.  Only Paste Special.  And 
 Paste Special does not have a Formula option.

sure it does, I use it all the time...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] UNSUBSCRIBE

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On 2011-03-12 3:59 PM, Greg Madden wrote:
 I have been trying to unsubscribe for a quite a while. The spam 
 filters at the isp level were catching the confirm email. I have the
 option to review the spam via a web interface, I just never have done
 so. Found a filtered message from an old friend also , I better check
 from now on.

If you have been trying 'for quite a while'... I don't get why the spam
quarantine wasn't the *first* place you looked when you didn't receive
the *first* confirmation email?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] UNSUBSCRIBE

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On 2011-03-12 1:21 PM, James Wilde wrote:
 A thought suddenly strikes me in connection with this problem.  The
 person in question uses gmail, and gmail is renowned for not sending
 copies of your own mails to mail lists.  I wonder if the confirmation
 mails are not being sent to the users?

Two totally different messages... the conf message may go into the Spam
folder, but it is a new message...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: message from Marc Grober

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-03-11 4:34 AM, Cor Nouws wrote:
 Send a mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org for all instructions (see the
 footer of this mail).

See my last email for how/why this footer is lacking...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Default character formatting not behaving as it did in OOo?

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-03-01 5:22 PM, missinglens wrote:
 LibreOffice is behaving in an unexpected manner with respect to default
 character formatting. To replicate, first do the following in
 OpenOffice.org:
 
 1. Start a new document.
 2. Type a few words and highlight one of the middle words.
 3. Apply a different Character style to that text. For example, apply
 Emphasis.
 4. Now choose Default Formatting from the Format menu or use the keyboard
 shortcut: Ctrl-M
 5. Note the formatting reverts to the Default format.
 
 Now do the same thing in LibreOffice. Note that Default Formatting now
 appears to do nothing. The character style stays the same. It would appear
 that the only method for removing the style applied at step 3 above is to
 choose the character formatting from the Style dock.

I can confirm this behavior - LibO 3.3.1 on Windows XP Pro...

 Is this by design?

Shouldn't be, I think you hit a bug...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Accessing the mailing list

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On 2011-02-26 10:34 PM, MR ZenWiz wrote:
 Evolution most likely ships with your Linux distribution of choice.
 To get your latest supported version, you will want to check with your
 distribution supplier.
 
 For Windows, here's the first hit in Google:
 http://www.dipconsultants.com/evolution/

Evolution is far too unstable/buggy to be used as a serious email
program... even on linux, it is fairly unstable (google will show you
tons of evidence in support of this contention), but on windows it is
still totally unusable except for playing around. Yes, there are some
people here and there that seem to not have much problems with it, but
those are the exception, not the rule.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Can't subscibe to the list

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-23 2:16 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote:
 On 2/23/2011 11:11 AM, NoOp wrote:
 On 02/23/2011 03:39 AM, Charles Marcus wrote:
 On 2011-02-23 3:03 AM, James Wilde wrote:
 Not so.  I moderated Mr Sutton's post.

 Is there not a way for moderators to add some kind of 'moderated post'
 header or body tag to these kinds of messages? If not, there should be,
 otherwise how is anyone to know?

 Agree. Something along the lines of:

 If these lists work like the OOo ones, the *only* thing moderators have
 the capability to do is either reject the message or allow it to go to
 the list. They can't affect the subject or content of the message at
 all. Maybe one of the moderators will confirm that this is true for
 these lists, too.

There was a header added that list members could filter on (and look at
if they wanted) to tell which ones were moderated and which ones
weren't. My understanding is these lists don't add that header.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Update from 3.3.1-rc-2 to 3.3.1

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-23 2:26 PM, Luuk wrote:
 The latest version (on Windows) shows:
 LibreOffice 3.3.1
 OOO330m19 (Build:8)
 tag libreoffice-3.3.1.2

Thanks, but what I would like is to see this precise info *on* *the*
*download* *page*.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Update from 3.3.1-rc-2 to 3.3.1

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-23 11:59 AM, Luuk wrote:
 On 23-02-11 17:42, Manfred J. Krause wrote:
 2011/2/23 Mieszko Kaczmarczyk wrote:
 I have updated but in window LO-info is still the same: 3.3.1.2 / build 8

 Is this OK?
 Yes.
 This release is bit-for-bit identical to the 3.3.1 Release Candidate
 2, so you don't need to download or reinstall if you have that version
 already.
 → Release Notes – LibreOffice 3.3.1 Final (2011-02-23)
 http://www.libreoffice.org/download/release-notes/

 Thanks, but in my opinion the version number should be changed.. ;)
 (even if its the ONLY change)

I repeat my request sent to the website list on the 16th...

This is something that has always bugged me no end...

The 'Help  About LibreOffice' dialog shows something like:

LibreOffice 3.3.0
OOO330m19 (Build:6)
tag libreoffice-3.3.0.4

Would it please be possible to make it a formal policy that this very
same identification be provided on the download pages (for both release
and pre-release) versions?

This makes it easy to know which version I am running... I currently
don't know if the above is 3.3.1rc1 or not... I think it is, but... how
to be sure?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Accessing the mailing list

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-22 11:47 AM, Ken Springer wrote:
 
 There is also an option to place replies to messages in the folders of
 the message being replied to.  That will accomplish what I and Marc want
 to be done automatically *assuming* you have an incoming filter to put
 the message in a designated folder.
 
 Except in one case, that being where the writer initiates an exchange
 with a user.  There is no message to reply to so you will have to many.

Just an fyi...

Thunderbird 3.3 will be incorporating a 'conversations' view that will
automatically show you all messages in the conversation, including ones
you sent... without having to physically move the messages around...

Then there is the the 'Virtual Folders' that the current version (3.1.7)
of Thunderbird supports... it can give you something similar, but only
for pre-defined people/addresses you set up...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Can't subscibe to the list

[Charles Marcus]

On 2/22/2011 11:44 AM, Paolo wrote:

On 22/02/11 15:34, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:

I would like to subscribe to the list, but can't manage after several
attempts
writing to users+subscr...@libreoffice.org as specified here:
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/



The problem I had is that when I click on the link the resulting
destination address in Thunderbird is: users%2bsubscr...@libreoffice.org
and that doesn't work. When I manually changed the address back to
users+subscribe... then my subscription went through.

I think the address, and other addresses, are wrongly encoded on the
page http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/


Since it works just fine for myself and everyone else that has 
commented... maybe the problem is more 'local'... ? ;)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Mail List Etiquette

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-17 6:55 PM, Simon Cropper wrote:
 I have essentially tuned out over the last few days as the debate raged
 regarding top posting and bottom posting. I went back over the threads
 today but did nor really discover what is wanted or preferred.
 
 When joining this list I noted in my first email the lack of any real
 information on posting messages, what the list was about or appropriate
 etiquette.
 
 Information should be available somewhere, associated with the
 libreoffice-users list, on what sort of questions the list addresses,
 subject line format, preferences with top-posting versus bottom-posting,
 snipping of text, etcetera.
 
 Maybe the list moderator(s) could draft something up, post it on the
 wiki and provide a link in the footer of future messages. This will go a
 long way to standardising the email content on the list.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Mail List Etiquette

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-18 3:19 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Obviously this list feels it more important to make rules to make it
 more difficult for first time users, to ask them to post in a way
 that is completely opposite to what they use everywhere else with
 everyone else they might communicate with in the course of a working
 day.

Not at all...

 When people ask for help this list expects them to stop and read a
 list of rules and then re-configure their set-up in order to ask the
 question

Ridiculous...

1. there is no quoted text when someone asks their question initially -
unless they hijack someone else's thread, which is another no-no on
*any* mail list, and

2. there is no need to reconfigure anything, only a need to take an
extra few seconds to position the cursor and delete unwanted/unnecessary
text.

 If they use MicroSoft Outlook or Yahoo then they will be told to use
 a different email client for this list and probably told to set-up
 a different email address too.

More asinine ridiculousness, Tom, and you're being disingenuous to boot..

I had suggested possibly using a *real* mail client when it became clear
that you were using Yahoo's WEBMAIL client, NOT OUTLOOK.

Sorry, Tom, you have lost all credibility on this subject - you have
made it abundantly clear by your words and actions that you are simply
too damn lazy and arrogant to even consider that you should take a few
extra seconds out of your
oh-so-much-more-valuable-time-than-everyone-else's to abide by a simple
and politely worded request.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Mail List Etiquette

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-18 4:34 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Ahah, whereas i think this list should instead be the most welcoming and 
 familiar making people feel at home and comfortable. 

Whose whom? Comfortable by what definition?

Here again your arrogance shows through - in your mind, *your* home and
*your* comfort are all that matter and to hell with anyone who thinks
different...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Default file formats

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-18 11:41 AM, ashl...@arcet.com wrote:
 We have LO installed on an application server,

Is this on Terminal Server?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Default file formats

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-18 12:48 PM, philan...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 
 Please take me off your lists. 

I have a better idea... why don't YOU stop SPAMMING THE LIST with your
stupidity?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] First impressions of LibreOffice 3.3.1 RC1 (Debian amd64 squeeze):

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-16 5:12 PM, MR ZenWiz wrote:
 On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Charles Marcus wrote:
 On 2011-02-16 3:05 PM, Charles Marcus wrote:
 On 2011-02-12 10:11 PM, Alan Shore wrote:
 ICON is beautiful，I agree!

 I completely and totally disagree, at least for Windows XP...

 1. The Quickstarter icon is just a plain/blank white, with a tiny arrow
 or something in the top right corner

 2. The document icons did not change, they are the old ones I had to
 manually fix up when Openoffice 3.2.1 removed the colorized icons...

 Ok, this is weird... I left my desk for an hour or so, and when I came
 back the icons had changed... I guess Explorer needed a refresh or
 something...

 But... the Quickstarter is still just plain white - how can I change it?

 You're arguing apples vs. oranges here - the subject is First
 impressions of LibreOffice 3.3.1 RC1 (Debian amd64 squeeze) and you
 are running Windows.

Stop picking nits... my comment was in reply to the ICONS.. which look
the same (or are *supposed* to look the same) on all platforms.

 That said, I don't know if you can change the notification tray icons
 at all.  Look at the properties of the application and see if there is
 an icon change option.  I don't remember ever seeing one, but I miss
 things, too.

You can change it - to any one of 5 or 6 different totally white/blank
icons.

Anyway, I still really don't care for these 'new' icons much - they look
too cartoonish to me...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: top- or bottom- quoting

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-16 6:29 PM, NoOp wrote:
 Bottom posting (with appropriate snipping/intersperse etc) would be my
 choice.

Aka 'in-line' posting...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Missing MSVCR90.dll

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-16 7:45 PM, MR ZenWiz wrote:
 On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Cliff Scott ke6...@qsl.net wrote:
 ** Reply to message from Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk on Wed, 16 Feb
 2011 15:28:03 + (GMT)

 Really?  You had to repost the entire conversation, which is already
 preserved indelibly in the archive?
 
 A little context is fine (and a good idea), but *not* the whole conversation.
 
 Please.

Mr ZenWiz... this is precisely the kind of comment that can be
considered rude and condescending...

You can easily say essentially the same thing while still being nice...
try it, you might like it (I know everyone else will)...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: CALC -- Repeating a Table Header on a New Page

[Charles Marcus]

Hi Tom,

First of all, thank you very much for trying to abide by the list
guidelines wrt inline-posting... and yes, I'm top-posting this for a
reason - sometimes top-posting is ok... ;)

One thing you are forgetting, which is now making your replies very
painful to discern/read, is to snip/trim/cut any unnecessary and/or
irrelevant content in the quoted text... hint: you *never* want to quote
the entire message, since that would include list footers, people's
signatures, etc, etc. Usually only a sentence or small paragraph is
enough to preserve context...

Also, you are apparently using the Yahoo Webmail client, which doesn't
seem to use the standard quote character '' for showing quotes in plain
text emails... this is too bad, because it makes inline-posting
extremely easy, both for composing and reading/comprehension. There are
plenty of examples of how clean/neat these replies can/should be from
myself and others who have been discussing this in the bottom vs top
posting thread...

You might consider using a real mail client, like Thunderbird, that
handles quotes properly and easily - in Thunderbird, if you
highlight/select some text before clicking reply, *only* that text is
included in the quoted text in your reply... I use this feature all the
time...

But regardless, at a minimum you should always endeavor to delete any
unnecessary quoted text, leaving only enough to show context... in this
case, your reply could/should have looked something like:

* Begin example

On 2011-02-17 4:11 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

snip

7. Click the icon again at the far right of the Columns to repeat
area.

Rows to repeat are rows from the sheet. You can define headers and
footers to be
printed on each print page independently of this in Format - Page.

-- Harold Fuchs
London, England
=== end quote ===

Ahah, i thought this question ambiguous.  It could be about
1. Printing (neatly solved by Harold Fuchs and something i didn't
know.  Excel does this in Page Set-up)
2. Onscreen

For Onscreen just click on any cell then go up to the menus and click on
Window - Freeze

Then try scrolling updown or side-to-side to see the effect.  Then
unfreeze and set the freeze corner exactly where you need it.

Regards from
Tom :)

* End example

instead of the mess (no offense) below, which I'm intentionally quoting
in it's entirety below so you can compare...

Last hint: bottom posting + 'mindlessly quoting the entire message' is
far worse than top-posting... most people who argue against
bottom/inline posting do so while failing to recognize the need to trim
the quoted text...

On 2011-02-17 4:11 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
 See below for replies ... 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Harold Fuchs hwfa.libreoff...@gmail.com
 To: users@libreoffice.org
 Sent: Thu, 17 February, 2011 8:44:57
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: CALC -- Repeating a Table 
 Header on a New Page
 
 
 Simon Cropper scrop...@botanicusaustralia.com.au wrote in message 
 news:4d5c7b04.2010...@botanicusaustralia.com.au...
 
 Hi,

 Writer has the ability so define a number of rows at the top of a table that 
 will repeat if the table extends over the page.

 http://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Repeating_a_Table_Header_on_a_New_Page

 This sort of functionality would be great in Calc. At present it is 
 necessary 
 to manually manipulate the sheet to put a header at the top of each page.

 Even if the process is not dynamic as for writer. It would be good if a tool 
 could be created that automatically moved the headers to the right spot (~ 
 automatic cut and paste based on page size).

 Assuming a square table a designated number of rows at the top of the table 
 could be tagged as header rows by the user. These could then be propagated 
 down 
 the matrix and inserted at the top of where the current page break occurs. 
 These 
 duplicate headers are also marked as headers but also that they are 
 duplicates. 
 If the page size changes and the tool run again the duplicate headers are 
 removed and the process repeated.

 This sort of routine would save considerable time manipulating quite sizable 
 tables that can extend over many pages.


 snip
 
 From Calc's Help pages under HeadingsRepeating rows/columns as
 === begin quote ===
 Printing Rows or Columns on Every Page
 If you have a sheet that is so large that it will be printed multiple pages, 
 you 
 can set up rows or columns to repeat on each printed page.
 As an example, If you want to print the top two rows of the sheet as well as 
 the 
 first column (A)on all pages, do the following:
 1. Choose Format - Print Ranges - Edit. The Edit Print Ranges dialogue box 
 appears.
 2. Click the icon at the far right of the Rows to repeat area.
 The dialogue box shrinks so that you can see more of the sheet.
 3. Select the first two rows and, for this example, click cell A1 and drag to 
 A2.
 In the shrunken dialogue box you will see $1:$2. Rows 1 and 2 are now 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Extensions

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-17 5:23 AM, James Wilde wrote:
 Andy Brown wrote:
 The pad lock just shows that the extensions are installed for all user 
 and can not be removed by the user, requires system admin.

 I'm running on a Mac, OSX 10.6.6 and v.3.3.0.  As far as I know I _am_ the
 system admin, but I can't open the padlock.  How does one do that?  I want
 to get rid of the French and Spanish dictionaries.  (Nothing against the
 French and Spanish, but I have a bunch of other languages).

Hi James,

To delete these extension, you need to be root/admin, and delete them
manually through the filesystem...

For example, in Windows XP, the path is:

C:\Program Files\LibreOffice 3\share\extensions

Be careful that you only delete the ones that you don't want/need...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Extensions

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On 2011-02-17 7:38 AM, James Wilde wrote:
 On Feb 17, 2011, at 13:06 , Charles Marcus wrote:
 To delete these extension, you need to be root/admin, and delete them
 manually through the filesystem...

 For example, in Windows XP, the path is:

 C:\Program Files\LibreOffice 3\share\extensions

 Be careful that you only delete the ones that you don't want/need...

 Doesn't look like a feasible approach on the Mac, Charles.  The file
 names don't give much of a clue to what is what.  But thanks anyway.

No worries James, hopefully somewhere on here will chime in with
where/how to do this on a Mac...

If not, ping me in a few days and I'll install LibreOffice on my Moms
Mac and figure out where they are and how to remove them... you might
have to resort to the console to do it though...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: CALC -- Repeating a Table Header on a New Page

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On 2011-02-17 7:31 AM, Luuk wrote:
 On 17-02-11 13:01, Charles Marcus wrote:
 Also, you are apparently using the Yahoo Webmail client, which doesn't
 seem to use the standard quote character '' for showing quotes in plain
 text emails... this is too bad, because it makes inline-posting
 extremely easy, both for composing and reading/comprehension. There are
 plenty of examples of how clean/neat these replies can/should be from
 myself and others who have been discussing this in the bottom vs top
 posting thread...

 In web-mail of yahoo  (mail.yahoo.com)
 Under Option/More Options/General
 put a mark before Quote the text of the original message

Ummm... he already *is* quoting the *entire* message, so this is
obviously already enabled...

However, maybe there are some other options... haven't used my yahoo
account in ages, but lets go see... had to reactivate...

Nope, no other options to deal with this that I can see...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] default setup

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On 2011-02-17 7:37 AM, Karl Lambert wrote:
 That does not work on my windows xp machine.  Pretty bothersome.

I have had a few times when setting the file associations with 'Open
with' did not work, and it turned out to be registry permission
problems, but it was painstaking, and honestly the easiest way to fix it
I found was an in-place re-install of windows...

Reinstalling/Repair Installing OOo wouldn't fix the problem...

I opened a bug about this with OOo asking/begging for a proper File
Associations Manager, that would also include the ability to fix busted
permissions on registry entries, but was told to go away... maybe I'll
try again with LibO...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Runtime error in Libre Office!

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-17 10:59 AM, Luuk wrote:
 Please do this in web-mail of yahoo  (mail.yahoo.com)
 Under Option/More Options/General
 put a mark before Quote the text of the original message

As I said, and should be obvious from his replies, he *is* quoting the
text of the original message... the problem is he isn't taking the 5
seconds required to delete all the garbage before clicking send.

In other words, he is being LAZY, probably to make a point about how
'top-posting is better'...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] quoting again [was: Re: Runtime error in Libre Office!]

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-17 11:34 AM, Luuk wrote:
 On 17-02-11 17:28, Charles Marcus wrote:
 On 2011-02-17 10:59 AM, Luuk wrote:
 Please do this in web-mail of yahoo  (mail.yahoo.com)
 Under Option/More Options/General
 put a mark before Quote the text of the original message

 As I said, and should be obvious from his replies, he *is* quoting the
 text of the original message... the problem is he isn't taking the 5
 seconds required to delete all the garbage before clicking send.

 In other words, he is being LAZY, probably to make a point about how
 'top-posting is better'...

 I'm not seeing '' signes before my texts in hist reply to /me
 Therefore its very hard to see what was postes by him, and what text
 already was there before.
 
 Also the signatures are not removed. A signature is a line starting with
 '-- ' (two minus signes, and a space)

That is because Yahoo's method of quoting is hopelessly broken...

 I think i'm goint to activate my yahoo-mail account too on this list ;)

Why? Do you just enjoy pain? ;)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: CALC -- Repeating a Table Header on a New Page

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-17 1:43 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Ahah, at last. Thanks for helping rather than blaming. This type of 
 answer is one of the perfect ways of handling the problem. It is the
 type of thing that make LO great.
 
 Unfortunately it shows that bottom posting involves more work than 
 most office workers are prepared to do and if we demand that they do 
 all this then they will often consider it easier to reinstall MS 
 Office rather than deal with this. I know that is ridiculous. Mostly 
 they wont have un-installed MS Office so there is even less reason 
 for them to stay with LO.

Are you seriously suggesting that taking 3-5 seconds to select/delete
some text 'involves more work than most office workers are prepared to do'?

It is a simple matter, really... all it takes is to stop, think about
it, and just try it.

All you would have had to do for this message I'm replying to was, start
at about the end of my first or second paragraph, highlight everything
below it, hit the delete button on your keyboard, then add your ===End
Quote=== and hit enter a few times, type your reply then click send.

If that is too much work for you or anyone else for that matter, then I
accuse you (and them) of being (a) lazy sob(s)... ;)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] First impressions of LibreOffice 3.3.1 RC1 (Debian amd64 squeeze):

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-17 1:46 PM, MR ZenWiz wrote:
 On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 3:32 AM, Charles Marcus wrote:
 Anyway, I still really don't care for these 'new' icons much - they look
 too cartoonish to me...

 I'll give you that one - they look seriously amateurish.

And it's a lot harder to tell the regular doc icons from their template
counterparts... the old template icons had a rounded top right corner,
these just have some kind of ridges on the left edge...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: top- or bottom- quoting

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-17 2:34 PM, T. R. Valentine wrote:
 Hasn't this issue been beaten to death ... and then some?

I was about to agree, but I just saw a little twitch in one of the hind
legs... hopefully my last whack will take care of it...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: CALC -- Repeating a Table Header on a New Page

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-17 2:25 PM, MR ZenWiz wrote:
 Boo hoo (sobs? :-)!

SOB... 'Son of a ...'... ;)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: top- or bottom- quoting

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-17 3:12 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
 On 2011/02/17 1:34 PM  Charles Marcus wrote:
 I'm sure Tom would welcome details, as I wasn't able to find a way to
 enable standard quote attributions or the use of the standard '' quote
 character... so, 'simple'...? Not quite...

 Not quite as simple as I originally thought. I already had it set to
 reply in plain text.
 
 Click on 'Reply'
 Click on 'Plain Text'
 Click on 'OK'
 Cancel sending message
 Click on 'Reply - This time it will open in Plain text mode with proper
 attributions for quoted text.

Ok, just figured it out...

Proper quote attribution only happens when you are using the 'Classic'
version. The 'All-new' version doesn't work that way...

But, as someone else pointed out, the thing is dead... ;)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] First impressions of LibreOffice 3.3.1 RC1 (Debian amd64 squeeze):

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-12 10:11 PM, Alan Shore wrote:
 On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 7:07 AM, Luiz Oliveira wrote:
 Icons are beautiful even as said Florian on twitter. I installed it
  on the stable version and the update was automatic. All the
 extensions have been preserved and an icon LibreOffice was
 installed on the Gnome panel. So far had no problems. I'll continue
 testing.

 ICON is beautiful，I agree!

I completely and totally disagree, at least for Windows XP...

1. The Quickstarter icon is just a plain/blank white, with a tiny arrow
or something in the top right corner

2. The document icons did not change, they are the old ones I had to
manually fix up when Openoffice 3.2.1 removed the colorized icons...

So, how can I *easily* (ie, please don't tell me I have to go in and
change each one manually *again*) cause LibO to implement the new icons?

The installer should really take care of this - or at least provide an
option, the same way it does for file associations...

Hmmm I just realized... I always do the 'custom' install... might
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Open pps as ppt

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-14 11:33 AM, plino wrote:
 There is indeed a bug (or at least a different behaviour from MS Office and
 OOo) with .pps files
 
 If a user double clicks or opens with a pps file with MS Powerpoint or LO
 Impress it is supposed to autostart the presentation.
 
 However if you open Powerpoint and use File Open to open the pps file it
 does so in Edit mode. OOo Impress does the same
 
 LO Impress does not. Opening a pps file immediately enters presentation mode
 and pressing Esc to stop, exits LO Impress.

Did you try 'Open with', then choosing 'LibreOffice 3.3' instead of
'LibreOffice Impress'? That should open it in edit mode (does for me)...

 It is arguable to say that this is a bug. But it is not the expected
 behaviour.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] top- or bottom- quoting

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-15 12:38 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
 The question is how much we want to alienate first-time users and 
 office users? Who is more important to please, 'geeks' or potential
 new users?

You don't have to alienate them... just some gentle prodding in the
beginning is enough for most people, explaining that it is the style of
the LibO lists to bottom/in-line post, with a link to the 'Learn2Quote'
page posted earlier...

What really irks me are the jerks who simply refuse to abide by a lists
general guidelines... and  they can get away with it here because no one
will ban them for refusing to comply.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] top- or bottom- quoting

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-16 8:51 AM, TVCSF Chair wrote:
 I could not agree more.  I have been using OOo and Thunderbird for
 several years now and try to get the people I work around to use free
 rather than MS software.  It is a really hard uphill struggle.
 But I would say that I always have my comments at the top of e-mails as
 that is the way I prefer to set up Thunderbird.  Some people obviously
 prefer to have comments at the bottom, good on them, it would be a very
 boring world if we all liked the same things.

But what you seem to be missing is that different email LISTS have
different GUIDELINES... the guidelines for these lists is to bottom-post...

So, when you and others refuse to abide by the guidelines, you are
essentially telling everyone that you are better than them, and/or are
just too damn lazy to adjust your behavior - ie, 'When in Rome...'

Oh, and as to your 'disclaimer' - be advised that I have forwarded your
email on to a few of the gossips I know who are now forwarding on to
many others and posting it on porn websites... feel free to sue me...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] First impressions of LibreOffice 3.3.1 RC1 (Debian amd64 squeeze):

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-16 3:05 PM, Charles Marcus wrote:
 On 2011-02-12 10:11 PM, Alan Shore wrote:
 On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 7:07 AM, Luiz Oliveira wrote:
 Icons are beautiful even as said Florian on twitter. I installed it
 on the stable version and the update was automatic. All the
 extensions have been preserved and an icon LibreOffice was
 installed on the Gnome panel. So far had no problems. I'll continue
 testing.
 
 ICON is beautiful，I agree!
 
 I completely and totally disagree, at least for Windows XP...
 
 1. The Quickstarter icon is just a plain/blank white, with a tiny arrow
 or something in the top right corner
 
 2. The document icons did not change, they are the old ones I had to
 manually fix up when Openoffice 3.2.1 removed the colorized icons...

Ok, this is weird... I left my desk for an hour or so, and when I came
back the icons had changed... I guess Explorer needed a refresh or
something...

But... the Quickstarter is still just plain white - how can I change it?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Open pps as ppt

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-12 5:38 AM, Mihai Dobrescu wrote:
 On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Charles Marcus wrote:
 There is a list of available programs to choose from when you
 'right-click'  'open with'... in that list, there are, among others:

 ...
 LibreOffice 3.3
 LibreOffice Impress
 ...

 Click on the ...3.3 one instead of the ...Impress one.

 In my case there is no LibreOffice.

Well... if you really did try browsing to it per Luuk's instructions,
and it still played it then closed, then I'd call that a bug, but it
must only be a Windows7 or Win7 64 bot bug, because it works fine for me
on XP... sorry, but I cannot confirm it on Win7 32 or 64 bit, though...

Can anyone else running Win7 check this?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Open pps as ppt

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-12 1:10 PM, Mihai Dobrescu wrote:
 It must be possible to open a pps in edit mode. Without renaming it.

I've already explained to you, it is... apparently you've hit a bug, now
we just need others with Win7 to confirm it..

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Open pps as ppt

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-12 2:09 PM, Luuk wrote:
 On 12-02-11 19:56, Charles Marcus wrote:
 Well... if you really did try browsing to it per Luuk's instructions,
 and it still played it then closed, then I'd call that a bug, but it
 must only be a Windows7 or Win7 64 bot bug, because it works fine for me
 on XP... sorry, but I cannot confirm it on Win7 32 or 64 bit, though...

 Can anyone else running Win7 check this?

 I did, with a downloaded pps (from the internet) and it is editable
 after renaming it to ppt

No...

The bug that needs confirming is:

1. Is there a missing entry for 'Libreoffice 3.3' in the 'Open with...'
dialog, and

2. Does opening the .pps with soffice.exe result in opening it the same
as if opening it with LibreOffice Impress - ie, playing it then closing
instead of simply opening it in Edit mode, which is what happens on mine
with XP Pro...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Open pps as ppt

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-11 2:44 AM, Mihai Dobrescu wrote:
 On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Charles Marcus wrote:
 I just tested, and if I right-click, 'Open with...', then choose
 'LibreOffice 3.3' - NOT 'LibreOffice Impress' - it just opens it for
 editing...

 Sorry, I don't understand the 'LibreOffice 3.3' - NOT 'LibreOffice Impress'
 part.

There is a list of available programs to choose from when you
'right-click'  'open with'... in that list, there are, among others:

...
LibreOffice 3.3
LibreOffice Impress
...

Click on the ...3.3 one instead of the ...Impress one.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice Portable Edition Will Not Install

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-11 2:48 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 
 Can you open your task-manager? It should show what processes are running.  I 
 think it is Ctrl Alt Del although that is likely to reboot the machine.

Tip:

CTRL-SHIFT-ESC goes straight to Task Manager in all windows version...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Open pps as ppt

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-02-10 10:14 AM, David Griffiths wrote:
 I already suggested this a while ago to Mihai, but he does not want to 
 change the extension.

Sorry, I missed that...

I just tested, and if I right-click, 'Open with...', then choose
'LibreOffice 3.3' - NOT 'LibreOffice Impress' - it just opens it for
editing...

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Re: [OT]F6[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice and OpenOffice

[Charles Marcus]

On 2/4/2011 7:15 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote:

No I wouldn't. I've heard them all, including Why shouldn't I  shut
down the computer by just pushing the on-off button?.


I've been shutting down my PC like that ever since I can remember, so 
whats your point?.



One more thing. Learn not to over quote


These lists are *really* getting annoying, with all of the infighting, 
unnecessarily harsh criticism, and just downright rude and arrogant replies.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] And yet another .pps that Impress doesn't do right

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-01-23 7:18 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote:
 Le 21/01/2011 16:18, Charles Marcus a écrit :
 [...]
 LibO needs a *very simple* way to submit problem documents - a way
 without having to register with a site or learn how to submit a bug.

 There would be volunteers who would then verify such reports, and *they*
 would then open a bug report, once they have confirmed the problem.
 
 Yes, but where are these volunteers ?

Right here...

You aren't seriously suggesting  that we cannot build a simple
infrastructure for allowing submission of problem documents that can
then be triaged by volunteers, without first having lined up a bunch of
volunteers first?

Build it, and they will come. ;)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Having trouble installing Libre Office in Ubuntu

[Charles Marcus]

On 2011-01-19 7:14 PM, baldwin linguas wrote:
 I seriously hook the n00bs up with Debian/XFCE edition, all the time,
 and they get off and running with no problem, and stay without problems.
 (although that KDE bloat probably looks even more like their favorite
 bloated proprietary monster, these days).

Do you add any additional repo's, so they can get newer version of
software? If so, which ones?

 My experience throwing ubuntu at n00bs hasn't been good, because stuff
 breaks a lot more often than with debian.

My experience as well...

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[libreoffice-users] Possible bug: Track Changes not working with Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac?

[Charles Marcus]

Can anyone else confirm this before I go open a bug?

To test... enable recording of changes on a document in .doc format,
make some changes, send them to a Mac with Office 2008, and see if you
can see the changes... my friend claims he absolutely cannot see any
changes, but I don't have another Mac (with Office 2008) to test with...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] 'Fille-down' function in Writer Tables?

[Charles Marcus]

On 2010-12-20 9:48 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Barbara Duprey b...@onr.com
 On 12/20/2010 2:47 PM, Charles Marcus wrote:
 I know there is a way to do this, because I found it a long time ago,
 but for the life of me can't figure it out now...

 How do I define a formula in a cell in a Writer Table, then fill that
 formula down?

 I'd love to see this in Writer, but as far as I know only Calc has
 the lower-right corner handle
 
 that you drag to get this capability. Maybe a dynamic link to a 
 spreadsheet would let it work, though I haven't tried that.

 Is it more elegant to do Calc type functions in Calc and then copy or
 link the relevant cells into Writer?

For many reasons, I need to be able to do this in Writer tables.

As I stated initially, I *know* *this* *is* *already* *possible* because
I figured out how to do it once before... I just need help remembering how.

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[libreoffice-users] 'Fille-down' function in Writer Tables?

[Charles Marcus]

Hi,

I know there is a way to do this, because I found it a long time ago,
but for the life of me can't figure it out now...

How do I define a formula in a cell in a Writer Table, then fill that
formula down?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO Bete 3.3: Strange wiggly lines when viewing a file.

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On 2010-11-30 4:10 AM, Sigrid Carrera wrote:
 2010/11/29 Maurice Batey maur...@bcs.org.uk
 Having just installed LibreOffice 3.3 Beta and trying Writer, all
 seems fine at first, except that tabbed space at the start of lines
 has been filled in with a wiggly line.
 Also, a couple of phrases have been underlined with the same wiggly
 line (e.g. walking tour).

 The wiggly line indicates the automatic spellcheck (if it is red) or the
 automatic grammar check (if it is blue).

Correct...

 How does one switch such marking off (and why it it there)?

 Those checks are done automatically - you can switch it off, if you select
 no language for your text. (Mark all your text, go to Format  Character
 and there is a drop down list, where you can choose no language).

No sense in doing that when you can just toggle the Auto-spellcheck
(toolbar button)...

I don't use the grammar checker, but I imagine it has a similar way to
toggle the Auto-check?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components

[Charles Marcus]

Am 30.11.2010 09:47, schrieb Arda Tunccekic:
 Maybe Quickstarter was usefull with the slow loading StarOffice suite,
 but OO and LO already load up pretty quick.
 
 And no one uses it here as I see. I don't use it too. I think it would
 be switched off by default or removed..

Disagree... makes a *big* difference in LibO startup time here...

Sample/simple document opening time:

With Quickstarter running: about 1 second

Without Quickstarter running: about 8 seconds

I don't really care what the default is, but it definitely should not be
removed completely until a *lot* more optimization is done.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug 31716 - [UI]: Context menu waits several seconds before appearing

[Charles Marcus]

On 2010-11-22 1:21 AM, Ron Faile wrote:
 I also had this problem, very slow to get a right-click menu in Writer.
 After deleting most of the extensions installed by default one by one, I
 came to presenter-screen. I deleted the extension and restarted LibO and
 everything works great. The right-click menu is instant.
 
 How to solve on Win7 64bit:
 Close LibO and the quickstarter
 Go to C:\Program Files (x86)\LibreOffice 3\share\extensions
 Delete the presenter-screen folder.
 Restart LibO

Fyi - this fixed it for me as well - but I also tested reinstalling the
extension manually, and it seems to remain fixed, so there is something
wrong with the way it was pre-installed...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: libreoffice 3 beta 2

[Charles Marcus]

On 2010-11-21 5:09 PM, Manfred J. Krause wrote:
 
 You might have a look at →
 OOo Community Forum - [Solved] Removing Extensions
 http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47t=35771start=0

Yup, figured it out, thanks whew...

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