Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-08 Thread Noel Butler
We did? I agree RC has its problems, but if half the tested clients, plus gmail show it normally, the problem then lies on both sides, since as my tests how, its not a problem for any clinet I have locally, nor with the people I regularly converse with anyway, and THAT is all that matters to me.

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-08 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
Nick, BOTH Noel and I have agreed that it is NOT the client. You can think it comes down to what client someone uses all you want. That isn't going to make it true. You obviously haven't read the explanation very carefully. Ted On 12/8/2014 2:26 AM, Nick Edwards wrote: I cant see what th

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-08 Thread Nick Edwards
I cant see what the fuss is about, using gmail, your text is all about the same size, except when Noel says he changed to 12pt, then it looks larger than everyone else's, including jdow's. I think it comes down to what client you're using, and its fine by my reckoning, and it also word wraps fine

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-07 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
Eh? I'm not young, unfortunately, although I'll take it as a compliment. I don't really care if Noel uses Roundcube or not, but it was irritating when he was asserting a few days ago that it "wasn't his MUA's problem" when it clearly WAS his MUA's problem. After several others chimed in tel

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-07 Thread Noel Butler
That didn't pan out, the svn version has serious bugs, so stuck with old 1.0.3 , shouldnt be so bad since I rarely post in here anyway :) On 06/12/2014 14:07, Noel Butler wrote: > No problems Jo, I might give its svn version a go, but as its the weekend I'm > about to jet off for a couple d

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-05 Thread Noel Butler
Yeah, this is a few nibblies with this current version, how it made it past beta I'll never know On 06/12/2014 13:28, jdow wrote: > I'll break it down - it may be a little smaller in appearance. It's on the > edge. The prior settings worked nicer. > > This one declares a body style='font-s

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-05 Thread Noel Butler
No problems Jo, I might give its svn version a go, but as its the weekend I'm about to jet off for a couple days, will try it monday, and 12pt as large? LOL, maybe thats why RC defaults to 10pt as average :) Cheers On 06/12/2014 13:21, jdow wrote: > Hm, it renders much more readable. I nor

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-05 Thread jdow
I'll break it down - it may be a little smaller in appearance. It's on the edge. The prior settings worked nicer. This one declares a body style='font-size: 10pt'. Then for each paragraph it declares span style=3D"font-size: small;". It sounds like Roundfile or whatever it was (can't remember

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-05 Thread jdow
Hm, it renders much more readable. I normally default reading to about 12 to 14 point fonts. The 10 point was getting down to a size that some letters were becoming ambiguous, which seriously slows down reading. Thanks for trying. As a side note I see that the plain text of mine you quoted is

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-05 Thread Noel Butler
Since this appears recent, I wonder if its a rc 1.0.3 issue.. again, manually setting to this 12pt, yet looks same as what people see as 10pt On 06/12/2014 02:03, John Hardin wrote: > On Sat, 6 Dec 2014, Noel Butler wrote: > >> pffft I see no problem, > > > > pffft

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-05 Thread Noel Butler
Ted is always impolite, but he's right that the current roundcube editor is shocking, in many ways (but not teh way mentioned here) and a few people have brought this up, I understand my gripes are fixed, I'll soon know in a week or two. It is rare that I post in here anyway, I've posted more in

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-05 Thread Noel Butler
On 06/12/2014 01:56, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 05.12.2014 um 16:47 schrieb Mike Grau: > On 12/05/2014 09:38 AM, Noel Butler wrote: pffft I see no problem, as like > most developers if you cant reproduce it, then its nothing to bother about, > after all this time 2 ppl dont like a font or wha

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-05 Thread Benny Pedersen
John Hardin skrev den 2014-12-05 17:03: On Sat, 6 Dec 2014, Noel Butler wrote: pffft turn html off is hard, admit its time for santa so possible write some with red colors, kids garden :)

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-05 Thread jdow
On 2014-12-05 12:32, jdow wrote: On 2014-12-05 07:56, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 05.12.2014 um 16:47 schrieb Mike Grau: On 12/05/2014 09:38 AM, Noel Butler wrote: pffft I see no problem, as like most developers if you cant reproduce it, then its nothing to bother about, after all this time 2 pp

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-05 Thread jdow
On 2014-12-05 07:56, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 05.12.2014 um 16:47 schrieb Mike Grau: On 12/05/2014 09:38 AM, Noel Butler wrote: pffft I see no problem, as like most developers if you cant reproduce it, then its nothing to bother about, after all this time 2 ppl dont like a font or whatever, yo

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-05 Thread jdow
Ted was remarkably impolite the way he phrased it. BUT, I will say as a practical matter microprint emails do get rather short shrift from me when scanning through message threads. I seldom dig in here of late. But I do scan through the messages which look interesting and sometimes offer such ad

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-05 Thread jdow
Charmingly polite again, eh Ted? Surely you can do better, young man. {+_+} On 2014-12-05 01:46, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: The problem is Roundcube. It does not insert soft line breaks as per the MIME Quoted-Printable encoding. There's a lot of MIME stuff that Roundcube doesn't do very well,

Re: text/html rendering (was Re: ancient perl versions)

2014-12-05 Thread Derek Diget
On Fri, 5 Dec 2014 at 12:30 -0500, David F. Skoll wrote: =>On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 12:15:10 -0500 (EST) =>Derek Diget wrote: => =>> Been a long time since I dug into MIME details and MUA display =>> formating, but don't forget about "format=flowed" when it comes to =>> Content-Type: Text/Plain and

Re: text/html rendering (was Re: ancient perl versions)

2014-12-05 Thread David F. Skoll
On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 12:15:10 -0500 (EST) Derek Diget wrote: > Been a long time since I dug into MIME details and MUA display > formating, but don't forget about "format=flowed" when it comes to > Content-Type: Text/Plain and line wrapping. And/or, > Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Re: text/html rendering (was Re: ancient perl versions)

2014-12-05 Thread Derek Diget
On Dec 5, 2014 at 11:34 -0500, David F. Skoll wrote: =>Since most mail clients that send HTML mail also send a text/plain part with =>similar content, my filter looks for messages with the structure: => => multipart/alternative => text/plain => text/html => =>and con

text/html rendering (was Re: ancient perl versions)

2014-12-05 Thread David F. Skoll
Since most mail clients that send HTML mail also send a text/plain part with similar content, my filter looks for messages with the structure: multipart/alternative text/plain text/html and converts that little subtree to just: text/plain There is o

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-05 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Fri, 2014-12-05 at 09:47 -0600, Mike Grau wrote: > On 12/05/2014 09:38 AM, Noel Butler wrote: > > pffft > > > > I see no problem, as like most developers if you cant reproduce it, then > > its nothing to bother about, after all this time 2 ppl dont like a font > > or whatever, your pissing up t

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-05 Thread John Hardin
On Sat, 6 Dec 2014, Noel Butler wrote: pffft I see no problem, pffft -- John Hardin KA7OHZhttp://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/ jhar...@impsec.orgFALaholic #11174 pgpk -a jhar...@impsec.org key: 0xB8732E79 -- 2D8C 34F4 6411 F507 136C AF76 D822 E6E6 B873 2E79 -

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-05 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 05.12.2014 um 16:47 schrieb Mike Grau: On 12/05/2014 09:38 AM, Noel Butler wrote: pffft I see no problem, as like most developers if you cant reproduce it, then its nothing to bother about, after all this time 2 ppl dont like a font or whatever, your pissing up the wrong tree if you think I

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-05 Thread Mike Grau
On 12/05/2014 09:38 AM, Noel Butler wrote: > pffft > > I see no problem, as like most developers if you cant reproduce it, then > its nothing to bother about, after all this time 2 ppl dont like a font > or whatever, your pissing up the wrong tree if you think I have a care > factor about changing

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-05 Thread Noel Butler
pffft I see no problem, as like most developers if you cant reproduce it, then its nothing to bother about, after all this time 2 ppl dont like a font or whatever, your pissing up the wrong tree if you think I have a care factor about changing things when i cant reproduce it. time to move alon

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-05 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
The problem is Roundcube. It does not insert soft line breaks as per the MIME Quoted-Printable encoding. There's a lot of MIME stuff that Roundcube doesn't do very well, it's just not a very good web mail interface. I'm always surprised at how vehemently people defend it. Many email client

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-04 Thread Noel Butler
On 05/12/2014 14:40, Dave Pooser wrote: > On 12/4/14 10:27 PM, "Nick Edwards" wrote: > It's also not wrapping the text at all. it wraps fine here Look at the last roundcube post, the one sent at 01:06 GMT. The line of quoted text runs 273 columns without a linewrap. What client are you usin

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-04 Thread Dave Pooser
On 12/4/14 10:27 PM, "Nick Edwards" wrote: >> It's also not wrapping the text at all. > it wraps fine here Look at the last roundcube post, the one sent at 01:06 GMT. The line of quoted text runs 273 columns without a linewrap. -- Dave Pooser Cat-Herder-in-Chief, Pooserville.com

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-04 Thread Nick Edwards
On 12/5/14, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > On 12/4/2014 6:24 PM, Noel Butler wrote: >> On Thu, 2014-12-04 at 20:22 -0600, Dave Pooser wrote: >>> > strange, it indicates 12pt, and looks same size when returned on list >>> > as >>> >everyone elses, something must be a miss, hows this one? it's from

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-04 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
On 12/4/2014 6:24 PM, Noel Butler wrote: On Thu, 2014-12-04 at 20:22 -0600, Dave Pooser wrote: > strange, it indicates 12pt, and looks same size when returned on list as >everyone elses, something must be a miss, hows this one? it's from >evolution That one looked significantly larger in my

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-04 Thread Noel Butler
On Thu, 2014-12-04 at 20:22 -0600, Dave Pooser wrote: > > strange, it indicates 12pt, and looks same size when returned on list as > >everyone elses, something must be a miss, hows this one? it's from > >evolution > > That one looked significantly larger in my mail client (Outlook 2011 for > Maci

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-04 Thread Dave Pooser
> strange, it indicates 12pt, and looks same size when returned on list as >everyone elses, something must be a miss, hows this one? it's from >evolution That one looked significantly larger in my mail client (Outlook 2011 for Macintosh). Looking at source, your previous had 'font-size: 10pt' and

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-04 Thread Noel Butler
On Thu, 2014-12-04 at 17:45 -0800, jdow wrote: > Clipped from the quoted message: > > body style=3D'font-size: 10pt' > > 12 pt would be better. Everybody else seems to come through with 12pt or > larger > font - or else plain text, which sane people prefer. (I may have to read HTML > format.

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-04 Thread jdow
On 2014-12-04 17:06, Noel Butler wrote: On 05/12/2014 06:19, jdow wrote: Speaking of footnotes, I don't have teeny tiny eyes for reading teeny tiny print. Could you please use a slightly larger font? The world is not uniformly made up of hairy chested (lose me right there) 20-40 year old (lo

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-04 Thread Noel Butler
On 05/12/2014 06:19, jdow wrote: > Speaking of footnotes, I don't have teeny tiny eyes for reading teeny tiny > print. Could you please use a slightly larger font? The world is not > uniformly made up of hairy chested (lose me right there) 20-40 year old (lose > me there, too) wunderkinds.

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-04 Thread jdow
On 2014-12-04 13:29, Bob Proulx wrote: jdow wrote: footnotes: Speaking of footnotes, I don't have teeny tiny eyes for reading teeny tiny print. Could you please use a slightly larger font? The world is not uniformly made up of hairy chested (lose me right there) 20-40 year old (lose me there,

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-04 Thread Bob Proulx
jdow wrote: > >footnotes: > > Speaking of footnotes, I don't have teeny tiny eyes for reading teeny tiny > print. Could you please use a slightly larger font? The world is not > uniformly made up of hairy chested (lose me right there) 20-40 year old > (lose me there, too) wunderkinds. Thank you in

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-04 Thread jdow
On 2014-12-03 15:55, Noel Butler wrote: On 04/12/2014 00:28, Greg Troxel wrote: ... footnotes: I use slackware, yes its releases come with latest versions of most things, and updates move with upstreams due to slackwares philosophy and releases are maintained for usually 5 or more years, but e

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-04 Thread Noel Butler
On 04/12/2014 00:28, Greg Troxel wrote: > I am really boggled by people wanting to run LTS versions of code with > old versions of tools and expecting to run newer versions of other > things. > > More constructively, it's perfectly possible to build newer perl in a > different prefix. Just be

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-04 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
On 12/3/2014 6:28 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: I am really boggled by people wanting to run LTS versions of code with old versions of tools and expecting to run newer versions of other things. Microsoft thinks like you do, that's why Internet Explorer 8 was the last version of IE to run on Windo

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-04 Thread jdow
I'm only expecting new rules sets to work, sir. I still run a lamentably antique version of SA with my middle aged version of perl. {o.o} On 2014-12-03 06:28, Greg Troxel wrote: I am really boggled by people wanting to run LTS versions of code with old versions of tools and expecting to run n

Re: ancient perl versions

2014-12-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.12.2014 um 15:28 schrieb Greg Troxel: I am really boggled by people wanting to run LTS versions of code with old versions of tools and expecting to run newer versions of other things. More constructively, it's perfectly possible to build newer perl in a different prefix. Just because the

ancient perl versions

2014-12-03 Thread Greg Troxel
I am really boggled by people wanting to run LTS versions of code with old versions of tools and expecting to run newer versions of other things. More constructively, it's perfectly possible to build newer perl in a different prefix. Just because there's an old perl in the base system doesn't me