RE: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-11-04 Thread vince.webb
-Original Message- From: Mark Thomas [mailto:ma...@apache.org] Sent: 03 November 2014 20:51 To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE On 03/11/2014 19:38, vince.w...@thomsonreuters.com wrote: snip/ Yes, I've read RUNNING.TXT and I'm

Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-11-04 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Neven, On 11/3/14 6:42 PM, Neven Cvetkovic wrote: Vince, the current configuration works great: 1) If you are a newbie administrator you are going to use easy-to-use-newbie-friendly configuration. It will get you started, it will get your

Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-11-04 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Neven, On 11/3/14 6:58 PM, Neven Cvetkovic wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Neven Cvetkovic neven.cvetko...@gmail.com wrote: SLIGHTLY-OFFTOPIC: Although, I would love to see out-of-box setup for additional shared-lib folder,

Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-11-04 Thread Leo Donahue
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Christopher Schultz ch...@christopherschultz.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Neven, On 11/3/14 6:42 PM, Neven Cvetkovic wrote: Vince, the current configuration works great: SLIGHTLY-OFFTOPIC: Although, I would love to see

Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-11-04 Thread Mark Eggers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris, On 11/3/2014 3:08 PM, Christopher Schultz wrote: Mark, On 11/3/14 5:46 PM, Mark Eggers wrote: One of the issues I did run into when using tcnative-1.dll is that I got the following error message: 12.0.0.1 is not a recognized command,

Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-11-04 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Leo, On 11/4/14 10:46 AM, Leo Donahue wrote: On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Christopher Schultz ch...@christopherschultz.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Neven, On 11/3/14 6:42 PM, Neven Cvetkovic wrote:

Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-11-04 Thread Leo Donahue
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Christopher Schultz ch...@christopherschultz.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Leo, On 11/4/14 10:46 AM, Leo Donahue wrote: On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Christopher Schultz ch...@christopherschultz.net wrote: -BEGIN

Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-11-04 Thread Neven Cvetkovic
Thanks Chris! On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Christopher Schultz ch...@christopherschultz.net wrote: I guess, it's easy to add new directories to TOMCAT/conf/catalina.properties file: common.loader=

Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-11-04 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Neven, On 11/4/14 1:05 PM, Neven Cvetkovic wrote: Thanks Chris! On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Christopher Schultz ch...@christopherschultz.net wrote: I guess, it's easy to add new directories to TOMCAT/conf/catalina.properties file:

RE: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-11-03 Thread vince.webb
? Vince -Original Message- From: Webb, Vince (TR Technology) Sent: 17 October 2014 10:17 To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE I don’t see their separation as being incompatible with running from a default shell or batch file. It already

Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-11-03 Thread Neven Cvetkovic
Vince, On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 2:38 PM, vince.w...@thomsonreuters.com wrote: On the subject of Newbie-friendly, I think Tomcat would be a whole lot more friendly if CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE were always totally separate with a minimum of overlap. Why is that? I would argue current

Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-11-03 Thread Mark Thomas
On 03/11/2014 19:38, vince.w...@thomsonreuters.com wrote: snip/ Yes, I've read RUNNING.TXT and I'm left wondering why do I have a catalina class not found if all the tomcat jar files are in CATALINA_HOME/lib Because you are trying to configure a listener that doesn't exist in the version of

Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-11-03 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Vince, On 11/3/14 2:38 PM, vince.w...@thomsonreuters.com wrote: On the subject of Newbie-friendly, I think Tomcat would be a whole lot more friendly if CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE were always totally separate with a minimum of overlap.

RE: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-11-03 Thread vince.webb
[mailto:neven.cvetko...@gmail.com] Sent: 03 November 2014 20:22 To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE Vince, On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 2:38 PM, vince.w...@thomsonreuters.com wrote: On the subject of Newbie-friendly, I think Tomcat would be a whole lot more

Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-11-03 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Vince, On 11/3/14 4:12 PM, vince.w...@thomsonreuters.com wrote: Even Tomcat newbies have to do real work that will find its way to a real server. Either of the benefits you described as a) and b) mean CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE need to

Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-11-03 Thread Mark Eggers
. . . . just my two cents. /mde/ -Original Message- From: Neven Cvetkovic [mailto:neven.cvetko...@gmail.com] Sent: 03 November 2014 20:22 To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE Vince, On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 2:38 PM, vince.w

Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-11-03 Thread Leo Donahue
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Christopher Schultz ch...@christopherschultz.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Vince, On 11/3/14 4:12 PM, vince.w...@thomsonreuters.com wrote: How much easier it would be if the Tomcat distribution had the correct separation

Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-11-03 Thread Mark Eggers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris, On 11/3/2014 1:33 PM, Christopher Schultz wrote: Vince, On 11/3/14 4:12 PM, vince.w...@thomsonreuters.com wrote: Even Tomcat newbies have to do real work that will find its way to a real server. Either of the benefits you described as

Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-11-03 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Leo, On 11/3/14 5:05 PM, Leo Donahue wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Christopher Schultz ch...@christopherschultz.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Vince, On 11/3/14 4:12 PM,

Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-11-03 Thread Mark Eggers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Neven and Vince, It's dead-simple to run under NetBeans. Just unzip and go - use the defaults. On 11/3/2014 12:21 PM, Neven Cvetkovic wrote: Vince, On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 2:38 PM, vince.w...@thomsonreuters.com wrote: On the subject of

Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-11-03 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Mark, On 11/3/14 5:16 PM, Mark Eggers wrote: Chris, On 11/3/2014 1:33 PM, Christopher Schultz wrote: Vince, On 11/3/14 4:12 PM, vince.w...@thomsonreuters.com wrote: Even Tomcat newbies have to do real work that will find its way to a real

Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-11-03 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Mark, On 11/3/14 4:59 PM, Mark Eggers wrote: 1. Set up an unaltered Tomcat in one directory 2. Create a duplicate directory structure somewhere else - to whit: CATALINA_BASE-+ +-bin +-conf +-lib +-logs +-temp +-webapps +-work You don't need

Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-11-03 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Mark, On 11/3/14 5:46 PM, Mark Eggers wrote: One of the issues I did run into when using tcnative-1.dll is that I got the following error message: 12.0.0.1 is not a recognized command, and Tomcat failed to start. Moving tcnative-1.dll out

Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-11-03 Thread Neven Cvetkovic
Chris, Leo, Vince, On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Christopher Schultz ch...@christopherschultz.net wrote: So, that's not all that complicated when you think about it, but to ask someone who knows nothing about a command-line, working effectively in an operating system, etc. and only knows

Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-11-03 Thread Neven Cvetkovic
Reply-to-my question: On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Neven Cvetkovic neven.cvetko...@gmail.com wrote: SLIGHTLY-OFFTOPIC: Although, I would love to see out-of-box setup for additional shared-lib folder, something other than TOMCAT/lib with Tomcat default libraries. Essentially, I would

RE: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-10-17 Thread vince.webb
...@yahoo.com.INVALID] Sent: 16 October 2014 20:07 To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Konstantin, On 10/16/2014 11:52 AM, Konstantin Kolinko wrote: 2014-10-16 22:11 GMT+04:00 vince.w...@thomsonreuters.com

Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-10-16 Thread Mark Thomas
On 16/10/2014 19:11, vince.w...@thomsonreuters.com wrote: Hello I'm coming back to Tomcat after years using GlassFish. The little that I ever understood of Tomcat 3, 4 and 5 is now decidedly rusty so I've been reading Tomcat 7's RUNNING.txt with interest. The section under the heading:

Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-10-16 Thread Konstantin Kolinko
2014-10-16 22:11 GMT+04:00 vince.w...@thomsonreuters.com: Hello I'm coming back to Tomcat after years using GlassFish. The little that I ever understood of Tomcat 3, 4 and 5 is now decidedly rusty so I've been reading Tomcat 7's RUNNING.txt with interest. The section under the heading:

Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-10-16 Thread Mark Eggers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Konstantin, On 10/16/2014 11:52 AM, Konstantin Kolinko wrote: 2014-10-16 22:11 GMT+04:00 vince.w...@thomsonreuters.com: Hello I'm coming back to Tomcat after years using GlassFish. The little that I ever understood of Tomcat 3, 4 and 5 is now

RE: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-10-16 Thread vince.webb
] Sent: 16 October 2014 19:44 To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE On 16/10/2014 19:11, vince.w...@thomsonreuters.com wrote: Hello I'm coming back to Tomcat after years using GlassFish. The little that I ever understood of Tomcat 3, 4 and 5 is now

Re: Separation of CATALINA_HOME and CATALINA_BASE

2014-10-16 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Mark, On 10/16/14 2:43 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: On 16/10/2014 19:11, vince.w...@thomsonreuters.com wrote: Hello I'm coming back to Tomcat after years using GlassFish. The little that I ever understood of Tomcat 3, 4 and 5 is now decidedly rusty