Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-11 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On 06/10/12 20:49, Wolfgang Keller wrote: That's what I call ignorance. Ignorance plus unwillingness to inform oneself to remedy that ignorance equals idiocy. I don't have anything against idiots, as long as they don't impose their idiocy onto me. I'm not sure you can blame it on ignorance.

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-11 Thread Tom Davies
:)  From: Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2012, 17:21 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems On 06/10/12 20:49, Wolfgang Keller wrote: That's what I call ignorance. Ignorance plus unwillingness to inform oneself

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-08 Thread anne-ology
'proves' Wolfgang is correct :) Have a good weekend all! Make sure you get a chance to relax and enjoy :) Regards from Tom :) From: Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 3 October, 2012, 19:51

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-08 Thread anne-ology
so true. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 2:57 AM, Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.comwrote: I think the market share of MSO has nothing to do with the users being idiots or not. The 90% share is caused by 3 things 1 - When you buy a PC you often get the MSO already pre-installed 2 - Not

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-07 Thread Pertti Rönnberg
Dear Wolfgang, I am in no way trying - not even in a a such position - to limit anyone's right to express one's opinions, but I wish you will give the same right to others -- we shall respect all others this list is meant to help LibO and its users - not to humiliate or calling names,

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-07 Thread Wolfgang Keller
Since the average IQ is around 60 (or something utterly abysmal like that) i don't think intelligent decision-making really entered the equation.  The average IQ is - per definition - equal to 100. It's even calibrated to be a normal distribution. Sincerely, Wolfgang -- For unsubscribe

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-07 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Thanks :)  That restores my faith in humanity a little :) Thanks and regards from Tom :)  --- On Sun, 7/10/12, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote: From: Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Sunday, 7

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-07 Thread Tom Davies
: Pertti Rönnberg p...@elisanet.fi Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Sunday, 7 October, 2012, 17:28 Dear Wolfgang, I am in no way trying - not even in a a such position - to limit anyone's right to express one's opinions, but     I wish you will give

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-06 Thread Tom Davies
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 3 October, 2012, 19:51 A.    so in your opinion people - both young and old - not yet knowing anything about computers, perhaps buying their first unit, are - not only IT-illiterate but also morons

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-06 Thread Dr. R. O Stapf
I think the market share of MSO has nothing to do with the users being idiots or not. The 90% share is caused by 3 things 1 - When you buy a PC you often get the MSO already pre-installed 2 - Not many people know about alternatives. I only learned about OO and LO from my brother who is a IT

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-06 Thread Jay Lozier
On 10/06/2012 03:57 AM, Dr. R. O Stapf wrote: I think the market share of MSO has nothing to do with the users being idiots or not. The 90% share is caused by 3 things 1 - When you buy a PC you often get the MSO already pre-installed 2 - Not many people know about alternatives. I only learned

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-06 Thread upscope
On Saturday, October 06, 2012 11:36:38 AM Jay Lozier wrote: On 10/06/2012 03:57 AM, Dr. R. O Stapf wrote: I think the market share of MSO has nothing to do with the users being idiots or not. The 90% share is caused by 3 things 1 - When you buy a PC you often get the MSO already

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-06 Thread Wolfgang Keller
I think the market share of MSO has nothing to do with the users being idiots or not. The 90% share is caused by 3 things *snip* 2 - Not many people know about alternatives. That's what I call ignorance. Ignorance plus unwillingness to inform oneself to remedy that ignorance equals idiocy.

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-06 Thread Doug
On 10/06/2012 03:11 PM, Wolfgang Keller wrote: So, until LO and/or LO and/or Symphony--my first choice-- can *really* read MS documents, I will have to use a Windows program. Which I really don't mind, except that I have to move the files and boot another OS. See www.winehq.org. On an

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-05 Thread Wolfgang Keller
If MSO is a 90% market leader all its users cannot be complete idiots. cynism Thank you for this statement that clearly illustrates the typical pointy haired think (i.e. un-think) of leaders (and their followers). The very simple fact is: LibO has to become better in a SWOT analysis! And

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-05 Thread Tom Davies
: Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems If MSO is a 90% market leader all its users cannot be complete idiots. cynism Thank you for this statement that clearly illustrates the typical pointy haired think (i.e. un-think) of leaders (and their followers). The very simple fact is:  LibO has to become

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-05 Thread Pertti Rönnberg
Hi Wolfgang, Most certainly you must be right. I only cannot understand what you mean and on what arguments. But don´worry, be happy! and have a nice weekend. Pertti Rönnberg On 5.10.2012 19:12, Wolfgang Keller wrote: If MSO is a 90% market leader all its users cannot be complete idiots.

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-05 Thread Jay Lozier
. From: Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 5 October 2012, 17:12 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems If MSO is a 90% market leader all its users cannot be complete idiots. cynism Thank you for this statement that clearly

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-05 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Have a nice weekend too :) and to everyone else out there too Many regards from Tom :) From: Pertti Rönnberg p...@elisanet.fi To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 5 October 2012, 18:28 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems Hi

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-05 Thread Doug
. From: Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 5 October 2012, 17:12 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems If MSO is a 90% market leader all its users cannot be complete idiots. cynism Thank you for this statement

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-05 Thread Jay Lozier
any real analysis of needs, costs, etc. From: Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 5 October 2012, 17:12 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems If MSO is a 90% market leader all its users cannot be complete

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-05 Thread Doug
/Windows/Office without any real analysis of needs, costs, etc. From: Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 5 October 2012, 17:12 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems If MSO is a 90% market leader all its users

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-03 Thread Wolfgang Keller
In many (most) companies/organizations (other than IT) the managers have quite little own knowledge in IT why they do not have many alternatives: they have to buy the IT from outside (more or less) experts or build up a IT-dept of their own. Dedicated IT departments are well known and well

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-03 Thread Wolfgang Keller
A.so in your opinion people - both young and old - not yet knowing anything about computers, perhaps buying their first unit, are - not only IT-illiterate but also morons The point is not whether someone is IT-illiterate or not, but whether (s)he is aware of the limits of his/her IT

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-02 Thread Tom Davies
October 2012, 17:25 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems Gosh, Dan! What am I doing about LO? Well, for ONE thing, I push it in my organisation and elsewhere. Unfortunately I really don't have the time to do much more than spreading the gospel... Over and out! H.S. On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 18:19:06

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-02 Thread rost52
Dan's statement is also a very good one. Another BINGO if you want so. However, an exchange of opinions should also be possible. Was the discussion on morons too long? Depends on the criteria applied... I personaly think that Wolfgang's word IT-illiterate morons were not meant to be taken

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-01 Thread Pertti Rönnberg
Hi, you all clever guys, I don't think this list is meant for naming or humiliating any others -- not people, nor programs, nor anything -- that behavior rather works like boomerang and shows the quality level of these naming and blaming. I am eagerly looking forward to the day when a

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-01 Thread Pertti Rönnberg
Dear Wolfgang Jay, A.so in your opinion people - both young and old - not yet knowing anything about computers, perhaps buying their first unit, are - not only IT-illiterate but also morons B.so you agree that among these IT-illiterate morons (= idiots) are bosses, persons in chief

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-01 Thread Joep L. Blom
On 01-10-12 11:57, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: Dear Wolfgang Jay, A.so in your opinion people - both young and old - not yet knowing anything about computers, perhaps buying their first unit, are - not only IT-illiterate but also morons B.so you agree that among these IT-illiterate morons

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-01 Thread Jay Lozier
On 10/01/2012 05:57 AM, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: Dear Wolfgang Jay, A.so in your opinion people - both young and old - not yet knowing anything about computers, perhaps buying their first unit, are - not only IT-illiterate but also morons IT - illiterate does not mean moron but sometimes IT

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-01 Thread Pertti Rönnberg
Hello Joep, Thank you for your reply. I am happy to say I had the privilege to in business visit your very beautiful and interesting country - and especially Amsterdam - some times very, very many years ago. I am also retired since ten years back and used to work on manager level in some

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-01 Thread Joep L. Blom
On 01-10-12 16:22, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: Hello Joep, Thank you for your reply. I am happy to say I had the privilege to in business visit your very beautiful and interesting country - and especially Amsterdam - some times very, very many years ago. I am also retired since ten years back and

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-01 Thread Jay Lozier
On 10/01/2012 11:07 AM, Joep L. Blom wrote: On 01-10-12 16:22, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: Hello Joep, Thank you for your reply. I am happy to say I had the privilege to in business visit your very beautiful and interesting country - and especially Amsterdam - some times very, very many years

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) +1 Many apols for my somewhat negative posts! Apols and regards from Tom :)  --- On Mon, 1/10/12, Pertti Rönnberg p...@elisanet.fi wrote: snip / Hi, you all clever guys, I don't think this list is meant for naming or humiliating any others -- not people,  nor programs, nor anything --

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-01 Thread Heinrich Stoellinger
Hello Pertti, I couldn't agree more with you! I used to work for Mother Blue for nearly 30 years, dealing with large customers as a systems engineer. Even then it occurred to me from time to time that we IT specialists thought that IT was the only worthwhile endeavour. But, clearly, the business

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-01 Thread Dan Lewis
Personally, this entire thread is a waste of time. Who cares who is a moron as far as IT is concerned? Why complain about anything unless you are going to do something about it? There is not a single person that has contributed to this thread that is too old to contribute to making LO

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-01 Thread Heinrich Stoellinger
Gosh, Dan! What am I doing about LO? Well, for ONE thing, I push it in my organisation and elsewhere. Unfortunately I really don't have the time to do much more than spreading the gospel... Over and out! H.S. On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 18:19:06 +0200, Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-01 Thread Felmon Davis
On Mon, 1 Oct 2012, Heinrich Stoellinger wrote: Gosh, Dan! What am I doing about LO? Well, for ONE thing, I push it in my organisation and elsewhere. Unfortunately I really don't have the time to do much more than spreading the gospel... Over and out! H.S. I don't think anyone has to show

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-09-30 Thread Wolfgang Keller
Just had a classic from my boss. *snip* He still says there is no problem with IE.  The point is not that there are plenty of hopelessly IT-illiterate morons out there, the point is imho that it's exactly these IT-illiterate morons who decide about what those people who have to do the actual

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-09-30 Thread rost52
On 2012-09-30 21:31, Wolfgang Keller wrote: Just had a classic from my boss. *snip* He still says there is no problem with IE. The point is not that there are plenty of hopelessly IT-illiterate morons out there, the point is imho that it's exactly these IT-illiterate morons who decide about

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-09-30 Thread Jay Lozier
On 09/30/2012 03:31 PM, Wolfgang Keller wrote: Just had a classic from my boss. *snip* He still says there is no problem with IE. The point is not that there are plenty of hopelessly IT-illiterate morons out there, the point is imho that it's exactly these IT-illiterate morons who decide

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-09-29 Thread M Henri Day
2012/9/29 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) Just had a classic from my boss. He says he prefers Internet Explorer and Adobe because he's never had any trouble with them. He can't download Pdfs though and has the same problem at home. Firefox on his machine here downloads them

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-09-29 Thread Jay Lozier
On 09/29/2012 10:22 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Just had a classic from my boss. He says he prefers Internet Explorer and Adobe because he's never had any trouble with them. He can't download Pdfs though and has the same problem at home. Firefox on his machine here downloads them fine.