Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
Hello Ludovic, mail still can't sync but contact and calendar perfectly sync with my android :-( Outlook 2013 was perfectly sync. :-) On 2/9/2014 7:46 PM, Cedric Perrot wrote: Hello Ludovic I have been testing for a while and I noticed that Outlook and/or sogo does not synchronize the mails if Outlook was not connected to the Internet for a while and then needs to resynchronize all items with the server. In other words all mails which were moved, deleted while Outlook was Offline are not properly synchronized once its connected to the sogo server again. Deleted email remain on the sogo Server and are never deleted. Moved emails remain at their old location. Regards Cedric *From:*users-requ...@sogo.nu [mailto:users-requ...@sogo.nu] *On Behalf Of *Ludovic Marcotte *Sent:* Samstag, 8. Februar 2014 20:15 *To:* users@sogo.nu *Subject:* Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support On 2014-02-08 11:00 AM, Cedric Perrot wrote: I see emails with the Outlook 2013 using ActiveSync however it always says in the Footer of Outlook Waiting for Server Response this takes usually 30-60 seconds sometimes it never changes the status and stays on that message Waiting for Server Response. That's normal, it's push email. It keeps a connection open for at most 5 minutes, and SOGo will internally poll for changes every 60 seconds for now. -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca mailto:lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 ::http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- Sarah Lee -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
RE: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
Hello Ludovic I have been testing for a while and I noticed that Outlook and/or sogo does not synchronize the mails if Outlook was not connected to the Internet for a while and then needs to resynchronize all items with the server. In other words all mails which were moved, deleted while Outlook was Offline are not properly synchronized once its connected to the sogo server again. Deleted email remain on the sogo Server and are never deleted. Moved emails remain at their old location. Regards Cedric From: users-requ...@sogo.nu [mailto:users-requ...@sogo.nu] On Behalf Of Ludovic Marcotte Sent: Samstag, 8. Februar 2014 20:15 To: users@sogo.nu Subject: Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support On 2014-02-08 11:00 AM, Cedric Perrot wrote: I see emails with the Outlook 2013 using ActiveSync however it always says in the Footer of Outlook Waiting for Server Response this takes usually 30-60 seconds sometimes it never changes the status and stays on that message Waiting for Server Response. That's normal, it's push email. It keeps a connection open for at most 5 minutes, and SOGo will internally poll for changes every 60 seconds for now. -- Ludovic Marcotte mailto:lmarco...@inverse.ca lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo ( http://sogo.nu http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence ( http://packetfence.org http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
RE: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
Hello Ludovic I finally got it to work. Outlook is connecting. Don't ask me what I've done fiddled around the system and now it works. I am able to send emails from that account but none of the email Folders are being update to show the emails, they remain empty. Outlook says Updating Sent Items and is stuck there. Tasks are synchronizing properly. Calendar is synchronizing properly. Contacts are NOT synchronizing. Is there a documentation for the new sogo-activesync package? Regards Cedric From: users-requ...@sogo.nu [mailto:users-requ...@sogo.nu] On Behalf Of Ludovic Marcotte Sent: Donnerstag, 6. Februar 2014 15:09 To: users@sogo.nu Subject: Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support On 2014-02-06 8:36 AM, Cedric Perrot wrote: I am on today's nightly build wouldn't the latest SoObjects/SOGo/SOGoDAVAuthenticator.m be already included? No because it's a hack for testing purposes. For your information, it passes all the Microsoft tests - which are pretty basic anyway. The problem is that Outlook 2013 does not connect either? Have you followed this? http://www.vionblog.com/connect-zimbra-community-with-outlook-2013/ http://www.vionblog.com/connect-zimbra-community-with-outlook-2013/ Thanks, -- Ludovic Marcotte mailto:lmarco...@inverse.ca lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo ( http://sogo.nu http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence ( http://packetfence.org http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
On 2014-02-08 8:01 AM, Cedric Perrot wrote: I am able to send emails from that account but none of the email Folders are being update to show the emails, they remain empty. Outlook says Updating Sent Items and is stuck there. Which IMAP server are you using? Tasks are synchronizing properly. Calendar is synchronizing properly. Contacts are NOT synchronizing. Look for .data files in /tmp - if you have any (and recent ones), send them over. Is there a documentation for the new sogo-activesync package? https://github.com/inverse-inc/sogo/blob/master/Documentation/SOGo%20Installation%20Guide.odt It has been updated for Active Sync. Thanks, -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
RE: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
Hello Ludovic I am using dovecot as imap server. Just a recap what works so far: - TouchDown for Android OK - CalDav for AndroidOK - Microsoft Outlook 2013 50/50 There are no files with something in it in /tmp Can I send you some other logs??? Regards Cedric From: users-requ...@sogo.nu [mailto:users-requ...@sogo.nu] On Behalf Of Ludovic Marcotte Sent: Samstag, 8. Februar 2014 15:20 To: users@sogo.nu Subject: Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support On 2014-02-08 8:01 AM, Cedric Perrot wrote: I am able to send emails from that account but none of the email Folders are being update to show the emails, they remain empty. Outlook says Updating Sent Items and is stuck there. Which IMAP server are you using? Tasks are synchronizing properly. Calendar is synchronizing properly. Contacts are NOT synchronizing. Look for .data files in /tmp - if you have any (and recent ones), send them over. Is there a documentation for the new sogo-activesync package? https://github.com/inverse-inc/sogo/blob/master/Documentation/SOGo%20Install ation%20Guide.odt It has been updated for Active Sync. Thanks, -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca mailto:lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
On 2014-02-08 9:31 AM, Cedric Perrot wrote: Can I send you some other logs??? Take a complete pcap (port 2, localhost, snaplen 0) with first Outlook stopped, up until Outlook is fully started and has tried to sync all folders. -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
On 2014-02-08 10:04 AM, Cedric Perrot wrote: Here it is. That only contains DAV exchanges, no Active Sync ones. That means you're using the Z-Push based Active Sync and NOT the one we now provide in SOGo. -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
RE: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
Sorry my bad, as I said I fiddled around quite a bit and finally ended up with a working z-push installation. So here is the correct pcap information for the ActiveSync connector and the outlook behavior using the sogo-activesync connector. Here it is new status: I see emails with the Outlook 2013 using ActiveSync however it always says in the Footer of Outlook Waiting for Server Response this takes usually 30-60 seconds sometimes it never changes the status and stays on that message Waiting for Server Response. Calendar is syncing ok but only visible after a Outlook restart. Probably has something to do with the Waiting for Server Response. Regards Cedric From: users-requ...@sogo.nu [mailto:users-requ...@sogo.nu] On Behalf Of Ludovic Marcotte Sent: Samstag, 8. Februar 2014 16:17 To: users@sogo.nu Subject: Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support On 2014-02-08 10:04 AM, Cedric Perrot wrote: Here it is. That only contains DAV exchanges, no Active Sync ones. That means you're using the Z-Push based Active Sync and NOT the one we now provide in SOGo. -- Ludovic Marcotte mailto:lmarco...@inverse.ca lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo ( http://sogo.nu http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence ( http://packetfence.org http://packetfence.org) sogoActiveSync.pcap Description: Binary data
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
On 2014-02-08 11:00 AM, Cedric Perrot wrote: I see emails with the Outlook 2013 using ActiveSync however it always says in the Footer of Outlook Waiting for Server Response this takes usually 30-60 seconds sometimes it never changes the status and stays on that message Waiting for Server Response. That's normal, it's push email. It keeps a connection open for at most 5 minutes, and SOGo will internally poll for changes every 60 seconds for now. -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
it's push email. It keeps a connection open for at most 5 minutes Will this also work on iOS, and can we either extend the time frame to 15 minutes (minimum polling time for non-jailbreaked devices) or make it configurable? Finally iOS push mail without Exchange, Yahoo or iCloud… -- Jens Erat [phone]: tel:+49-151-56961126 [mail]: mailto:em...@jenserat.de [jabber]: xmpp:jab...@jenserat.de [web]: http://www.jenserat.de PGP: 350E D9B6 9ADC 2DED F5F2 8549 CBC2 613C D745 722B Am 08.02.2014 um 20:14 schrieb Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca: On 2014-02-08 11:00 AM, Cedric Perrot wrote: I see emails with the Outlook 2013 using ActiveSync however it always says in the Footer of Outlook “Waiting for Server Response” this takes usually 30-60 seconds sometimes it never changes the status and stays on that message “Waiting for Server Response”. That's normal, it's push email. It keeps a connection open for at most 5 minutes, and SOGo will internally poll for changes every 60 seconds for now. -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo ( http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org ) signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
On 2014-02-08 3:37 PM, Jens Erat wrote: Will this also work on iOS, and can we either extend the time frame to 15 minutes (minimum polling time for non-jailbreaked devices) or make it configurable? Finally iOS push mail without Exchange, Yahoo or iCloud… It'll work with any kind of AS clients. Right now, the internal poll interval + max connection holding time are not configurable. They will be before the final release, as they will have to be correctly tuned depending on your environment. -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
Hi Ludovic Is SSL hindering proper communication? Cedric Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message From: Cedric Perrot cper...@softcon.ch Date: 06/02/2014 22:36 (GMT+01:00) To: users@sogo.nu Subject: Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support Hello Ludovic Yes I am using SSL Cedric Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message From: Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca Date: 06/02/2014 21:58 (GMT+01:00) To: users@sogo.nu Subject: Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support On 2014-02-06 3:26 PM, Cedric Perrot wrote: As requested find attached pcap file. Well, SOGo gets an OPTIONS call and answers it correctly. Nothing after. Are you using SSL? -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
Hello Ludovic I installed TouchDown for Smartphones on my Android and everything seems to be running Calendar, Contacts and Tasks. In other words Outlook 2013 does not work with Sogo ActiveSync?? Again I am on the latest nightly build. Regards Cedric On 07.02.2014 15:44, Ludovic Marcotte wrote: On 2014-02-07 9:36 AM, Cedric Perrot wrote: Is SSL hindering proper communication? No. Try with something else than Outlook and see what happens. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
On 2014-02-07 9:36 AM, Cedric Perrot wrote: Is SSL hindering proper communication? No. Try with something else than Outlook and see what happens. -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
RE: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
Hello Everyone I am trying to get ActiveSync running without success. I updated all the packages of the nightly build today. I am testing the connectivity with https://testconnectivity.microsoft.com/ and Outlook 2013. Both of them are unable to connect however with different messages: The sogo log file entry for Outlook 2013 is this: [06/Feb/2014:11:24:47 GMT] OPTIONS /SOGo/Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync HTTP/1.1 200 0/0 0.067 - - 2M 2014-02-06 11:24:47.265 sogod[30269] -[WEClientCapabilities initWithRequest:]: Unknown WebClient: user-agent='Outlook/15.0 (15.0.4551.1507; C2R; x86)' The sogo log file entry for testconnectivity is this: 157.56.138.141 - - [06/Feb/2014:11:20:33 GMT] OPTIONS /SOGo/Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync/ HTTP/1.1 401 0/0 0.007 - - 824K 2014-02-06 11:20:33.317 sogod[30269] -[WEClientCapabilities initWithRequest:]: Unknown WebClient: user-agent='Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync/12.0+(TestExchangeConnectivity.com)' Any help pointing me in the right direction is appreciated. Regards Cedric From: users-requ...@sogo.nu [mailto:users-requ...@sogo.nu] On Behalf Of Ludovic Marcotte Sent: Dienstag, 21. Januar 2014 18:02 To: users@sogo.nu Subject: [SOGo] Active Sync Support Hello, The current nightly builds of SOGo offer Active Sync support. To enable it, simply add the following line to your Apache configuration: ProxyPass /Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync http://127.0.0.1:2/SOGo/Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync retry=0 You'll also have to make sure you run the latest SOPE packages, and you install the sogo-activesync package. If you want email synchronization to work properly, your IMAP server must have the UIDPLUS, SORT and QRESYNC extensions enabled. Most of the stuff should work pretty well, but we're now in the final stages of development and testing, which include: 1. event invitations 2. recurring events 3. Outlook 2013 support 4. handle all contact/email/event/task properties Full support will be included in SOGo v2.2 - expected to be released by the end of the month. Thanks, -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca mailto:lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
On 2014-02-06 6:05 AM, Cedric Perrot wrote: I am testing the connectivity with https://testconnectivity.microsoft.com/ and Outlook 2013. That tool is broken. It doesn't pass back the username after authentication. If you want to make it work, you will have to patch SoObjects/SOGo/SOGoDAVAuthenticator.m -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
RE: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
Hello Ludovic I am on today's nightly build wouldn't the latest SoObjects/SOGo/SOGoDAVAuthenticator.m be already included? The problem is that Outlook 2013 does not connect either? Regards Cedric From: users-requ...@sogo.nu [mailto:users-requ...@sogo.nu] On Behalf Of Ludovic Marcotte Sent: Donnerstag, 6. Februar 2014 13:27 To: users@sogo.nu Subject: Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support On 2014-02-06 6:05 AM, Cedric Perrot wrote: I am testing the connectivity with https://testconnectivity.microsoft.com/ and Outlook 2013. That tool is broken. It doesn't pass back the username after authentication. If you want to make it work, you will have to patch SoObjects/SOGo/SOGoDAVAuthenticator.m -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca mailto:lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
RE: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
Hello Ludovic Thanks for your mail. I tried http://www.vionblog.com/connect-zimbra-community-with-outlook-2013/ http://www.vionblog.com/connect-zimbra-community-with-outlook-2013/ this but still not connecting. I tried to install Z-Push directly from https://github.com/dupondje/PHP-Push-2.git and use In Apache: Alias /Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync /var/lib/sogosync/index.php And I tried to install sogo-activesync and use in Apache: ProxyPass /Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync http://127.0.0.1:2/SOGo/Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync retry=60 connectiontimeout=5 timeout=360 None of them worked. Is there a how to install activesync with SOGo Regards Cedric From: users-requ...@sogo.nu [mailto:users-requ...@sogo.nu] On Behalf Of Ludovic Marcotte Sent: Donnerstag, 6. Februar 2014 15:09 To: users@sogo.nu Subject: Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support On 2014-02-06 8:36 AM, Cedric Perrot wrote: I am on today's nightly build wouldn't the latest SoObjects/SOGo/SOGoDAVAuthenticator.m be already included? No because it's a hack for testing purposes. For your information, it passes all the Microsoft tests - which are pretty basic anyway. The problem is that Outlook 2013 does not connect either? Have you followed this? http://www.vionblog.com/connect-zimbra-community-with-outlook-2013/ Thanks, -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca mailto:lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
RE: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
Hello Ludovic I tried this approach because I found it online as an alternative approach from http://www.onlinedemo.hu/71-zeg-install-script Since SOGo supports ActiveSync natively I'll focus on that. As requested find attached pcap file. Regards Cedric From: users-requ...@sogo.nu [mailto:users-requ...@sogo.nu] On Behalf Of Ludovic Marcotte Sent: Donnerstag, 6. Februar 2014 18:35 To: users@sogo.nu Subject: Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support On 2014-02-06 12:02 PM, Cedric Perrot wrote: I tried to install Z-Push directly from https://github.com/dupondje/PHP-Push-2.git and use In Apache: Alias /Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync /var/lib/sogosync/index.php Why would you do this? And I tried to install sogo-activesync and use in Apache: ProxyPass /Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync http://127.0.0.1:2/SOGo/Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync retry=60 connectiontimeout=5 timeout=360 None of them worked. Show log evidences. Sniff traffic on localhost/port 2 and send the pcap. -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca mailto:lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) sogoActiveSync.pcap Description: Binary data
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
On 2014-02-06 3:26 PM, Cedric Perrot wrote: As requested find attached pcap file. Well, SOGo gets an OPTIONS call and answers it correctly. Nothing after. Are you using SSL? -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
2014-02-06 21:26 keltezéssel, Cedric Perrot írta: Hello Ludovic I tried this approach because I found it online as an alternative approach from http://www.onlinedemo.hu/71-zeg-install-script Since SOGo supports ActiveSync natively I’ll focus on that. That ActiveSync is based on the PHP-Push, not the SOGo ActiveSync! This two method are absolutely different. PHP-Push does not support the HTML part of mails (as example), and the other sync methods (cards, events) have some restrictions too. So, it's not the perfect solution, but (I hope) the SOGo's ActiveSync will be... :) -- Szládovics, Péter Onlinedemo.HU http://www.onlinedemo.hu Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. /Arthur C. Clarke/ -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
Hello Ludovic Yes I am using SSL Cedric Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message From: Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca Date: 06/02/2014 21:58 (GMT+01:00) To: users@sogo.nu Subject: Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support On 2014-02-06 3:26 PM, Cedric Perrot wrote: As requested find attached pcap file. Well, SOGo gets an OPTIONS call and answers it correctly. Nothing after. Are you using SSL? -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
Hello ludovic, i just install update sogo, sope and activesync with nightly build repo. Version 2.1.2 (root@shiva.inverse 201401250018) i connect with my android v4.0.4 and this is my result : 1. mail still cannot sync. 2. personal contact cannot sync. 3. personal calendar successfully sync. FYI, I have not tried for Office 2013. Thanks, Sarah Lee CB On 25/01/2014 3:15, Ludovic Marcotte wrote: On 2014-01-22 9:35 PM, Sarah Lee C.B wrote: then i try sync with my android, result is calendar sync succesfully, personal contact sync successfully but email cannot sync. A fix has just been pushed for this. Try the upcoming nightly builds. If you want to try Active Sync with Outlook 2013, you must use this hack when creating the user account: http://www.vionblog.com/connect-zimbra-community-with-outlook-2013/ Thanks, -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
On 2014-01-25 7:02 AM, Sarah Lee C.B wrote: i connect with my android v4.0.4 and this is my result : Look for some failed data conversion dumps in /tmp - they will have the .data extension. If you have any, send them over. -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
i check my /tmp folder, but no .data extension file. thanks, Sarah Lee CB On 25/01/2014 20:11, Ludovic Marcotte wrote: On 2014-01-25 7:02 AM, Sarah Lee C.B wrote: i connect with my android v4.0.4 and this is my result : Look for some failed data conversion dumps in /tmp - they will have the .data extension. If you have any, send them over. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
On 2014-01-24 6:18 PM, Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca wrote: On 2014-01-24 5:32 PM, Martin Simovic wrote: Would z-push work with sogo too? What's the point? We've added native Active Sync support in SOGo so you don't have to use Z-Push. 3 points... First - wouldn't Z-Push be a way to do away with the Openchange+Samba requirement for the older versions of Outlook? Second - your ActiveSync support only works with Outlook 2013. Well, I have discussed this with about 20 of our users so far, and they all (including the Boss) *unanimously* said they *hated* the new Outlook 2013 UI, and begged me not to put it on their systems. Last - I seem to recall somewhere that there will be a cost for ActiveSync support in SOGo, because you will have to pay MS? On this last point I will be happy if my understanding is wrong! -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
On 2014-01-25 7:59 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: First - wouldn't Z-Push be a way to do away with the Openchange+Samba requirement for the older versions of Outlook? No, that's not related at all. Z-Push is an EAS implementation, just like what we're doing. Second - your ActiveSync support only works with Outlook 2013. Just like all other other AS servers. Prior versions of Outlook do NOT have AS support - they support the Exchange protocol or the Outlook Anywhere one (Exchange protocol over HTTP). Last - I seem to recall somewhere that there will be a cost for ActiveSync support in SOGo, because you will have to pay MS? I've already explained that in details, search the archives. -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
Hi, have you an idea : xml2wbxmlFromContent: failed ?
2014-01-24 15:40:18.458 sogod[7642] -[WEClientCapabilities
initWithRequest:]: Unknown WebClient: user-agent='Outlook/15.0
(15.0.4551.1507; MSI; x86)'
2014-01-24 15:40:18.489 sogod[7642] WARNING: IMAP4 connection pooling is
disabled!
2014-01-24 15:40:18.708 sogod[7642] Note(NGImap4Connection): using '/'
as the IMAP4 folder separator.
Jan 24 15:40:20 sogod [7642]: [WARN]
0x0x7fc878da4620[SOGoWebDAVAclManager] entry '{DAV:}write' already
exists in DAV permissions table
Jan 24 15:40:20 sogod [7642]: [WARN]
0x0x7fc878da4620[SOGoWebDAVAclManager] entry '{DAV:}write-properties'
already exists in DAV permissions table
Jan 24 15:40:20 sogod [7642]: [WARN]
0x0x7fc878da4620[SOGoWebDAVAclManager] entry '{DAV:}write-content'
already exists in DAV permissions table
2014-01-24 15:40:20.156 sogod[7642] xml2wbxmlFromContent: failed:
Parsing of XML Document Failed
192.168.20.242 - - [24/Jan/2014:15:40:20 GMT] POST
/SOGo/Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync?Cmd=FolderSyncUser=ruizDeviceId=23372F97DD2D43DEB23A8E6D4CCC7AF3DeviceType=WindowsOutlook15
HTTP/1.1 200 0/13 1.705 - - 1M
2014-01-24 15:40:20.170 sogod[7642] -[WEClientCapabilities
initWithRequest:]: Unknown WebClient: user-agent='Outlook/15.0
(15.0.4551.1507; MSI; x86)'
2014-01-24 15:40:21.169 sogod[7642] xml2wbxmlFromContent: failed:
Parsing of XML Document Failed
Thx a lot
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Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
On 2014-01-24 9:43 AM, RUIZ Anthony wrote: Hi, have you an idea : xml2wbxmlFromContent: failed ? Sniff and send me the pcap. -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
On 2014-01-22 9:35 PM, Sarah Lee C.B wrote: then i try sync with my android, result is calendar sync succesfully, personal contact sync successfully but email cannot sync. A fix has just been pushed for this. Try the upcoming nightly builds. If you want to try Active Sync with Outlook 2013, you must use this hack when creating the user account: http://www.vionblog.com/connect-zimbra-community-with-outlook-2013/ Thanks, -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
Odoslané z iPhonu Dňa 24.1.2014, o 20:16, Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca napísal: If you want to try Active Sync with Outlook 2013, you must use this hack when creating the user account: Would z-push work with sogo too? -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
hai, i was install sogo-activesync from SOGo nightly repo and sogo version 2.1.2, then i try sync with my android, result is calendar sync succesfully, personal contact sync successfully but email cannot sync. this is my imap when i connect thru cli : [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS ID ENABLE IDLE *SORT* SORT=DISPLAY THREAD=REFERENCES THREAD=REFS MULTIAPPEND UNSELECT CHILDREN NAMESPACE *UIDPLUS* LIST-EXTENDED I18NLEVEL=1 CONDSTORE *QRESYNC* ESEARCH ESORT SEARCHRES WITHIN CONTEXT=SEARCH LIST-STATUS QUOTA] Logged in please give me some advice. On 22/01/2014 1:01, Ludovic Marcotte wrote: Hello, The current nightly builds of SOGo offer Active Sync support. To enable it, simply add the following line to your Apache configuration: ProxyPass /Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync http://127.0.0.1:2/SOGo/Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync retry=0 You'll also have to make sure you run the latest SOPE packages, and you install the sogo-activesync package. If you want email synchronization to work properly, your IMAP server must have the UIDPLUS, SORT and QRESYNC extensions enabled. Most of the stuff should work pretty well, but we're now in the final stages of development and testing, which include: 1. event invitations 2. recurring events 3. Outlook 2013 support 4. handle all contact/email/event/task properties Full support will be included in SOGo v2.2 - expected to be released by the end of the month. Thanks, -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 ::http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
On 2014-01-23 12:51 PM, Thomas Sowa wrote: Im in the same situation as Sarah. Perhaps you have some non-ASCII folder names? It should work, but try with all-ASCII names for testing purposes. Are there any logging features or anything for activesync? In case of a doubt, sniff it out: tcpdump -i lo -s0 tcp and port 2 -w this-smells-good.pcap Ludo -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
Bravo! Den 21 jan 2014 18:02 skrev Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca: Hello, The current nightly builds of SOGo offer Active Sync support. To enable it, simply add the following line to your Apache configuration: ProxyPass /Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync http://127.0.0.1:2/SOGo/Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync retry=0 You'll also have to make sure you run the latest SOPE packages, and you install the sogo-activesync package. If you want email synchronization to work properly, your IMAP server must have the UIDPLUS, SORT and QRESYNC extensions enabled. Most of the stuff should work pretty well, but we're now in the final stages of development and testing, which include: 1. event invitations 2. recurring events 3. Outlook 2013 support 4. handle all contact/email/event/task properties Full support will be included in SOGo v2.2 - expected to be released by the end of the month. Thanks, -- Ludovic marcottelmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
2014-01-21 18:01 keltezéssel, Ludovic Marcotte írta: Hello, The current nightly builds of SOGo offer Active Sync support. To enable it, simply add the following line to your Apache configuration: ProxyPass /Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync http://127.0.0.1:2/SOGo/Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync retry=0 You'll also have to make sure you run the latest SOPE packages, and you install the sogo-activesync package. If you want email synchronization to work properly, your IMAP server must have the UIDPLUS, SORT and QRESYNC extensions enabled. Most of the stuff should work pretty well, but we're now in the final stages of development and testing, which include: 1. event invitations 2. recurring events 3. Outlook 2013 support 4. handle all contact/email/event/task properties Full support will be included in SOGo v2.2 - expected to be released by the end of the month. Thanks, Thanks to you! These are the best news in this year :) If anyone build own site with my install script, then have thesen imap capabilities: 1 OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS ID ENABLE IDLE SORT SORT=DISPLAY THREAD=REFERENCES THREAD=REFS MULTIAPPEND UNSELECT CHILDREN NAMESPACE UIDPLUS LIST-EXTENDED I18NLEVEL=1 CONDSTORE QRESYNC ESEARCH ESORT SEARCHRES WITHIN CONTEXT=SEARCH LIST-STATUS QUOTA ACL RIGHTS=texk] Logged in Cheers, -- Szládovics, Péter Onlinedemo.HU http://www.onlinedemo.hu Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. /Arthur C. Clarke/ -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
Hello In order to make tests. How to install sogo-activesync from sources ? Sincerely Dominique BERTHET Le 21/01/2014 18:01, Ludovic Marcotte a écrit : Hello, The current nightly builds of SOGo offer Active Sync support. lmarco...@inverse.ca To enable it, simply add the following line to yoursogo-activesync Apache configuration: ProxyPass /Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync http://127.0.0.1:2/SOGo/Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync retry=0 You'll also have to make sure you run the latest SOPE packages, and you install the sogo-activesync package. If you want email synchronization to work properly, your IMAP server must have the UIDPLUS, SORT and QRESYNC extensions enabled. Most of the stuff should work pretty well, but we're now in the final stages of development and testing, which include: 1. event invitations 2. recurring events 3. Outlook 2013 support 4. handle all contact/email/event/task properties Full support will be included in SOGo v2.2 - expected to be released by the end of the month. Thanks, -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 ::http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
On 2014-01-21 4:05 PM, Dominique BERTHET wrote: How to install sogo-activesync from sources ? Install the libwbxml-devel packages from our repo. % cd SOGo/ActiveSync % make install Adjust your Apache configuration. Enjoy some tea and a cookie. -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
Adjust your Apache configuration. Enjoy some tea and a cookie. Great news! Thanks very much. MJ -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
RE : Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
You dont need the sources just switch your repository on sogo-nightly Salutations Envoyé depuis mon Samsung Galaxy S 4 d’Orange Message d'origine De : Dominique BERTHET dbert...@emse.fr Date : 21/01/2014 22:05 (GMT+01:00) A : users@sogo.nu Objet : Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support Hello In order to make tests. How to install sogo-activesync from sources ? Sincerely Dominique BERTHET Le 21/01/2014 18:01, Ludovic Marcotte a écrit : Hello, The current nightly builds of SOGo offer Active Sync support. lmarco...@inverse.ca To enable it, simply add the following line to yoursogo-activesync Apache configuration: ProxyPass /Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync http://127.0.0.1:2/SOGo/Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync retry=0 You'll also have to make sure you run the latest SOPE packages, and you install the sogo-activesync package. If you want email synchronization to work properly, your IMAP server must have the UIDPLUS, SORT and QRESYNC extensions enabled. Most of the stuff should work pretty well, but we're now in the final stages of development and testing, which include: event invitations recurring events Outlook 2013 support handle all contact/email/event/task properties Full support will be included in SOGo v2.2 - expected to be released by the end of the month. Thanks, -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support
Wow.. Good news On Jan 22, 2014 5:17 AM, Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca wrote: On 2014-01-21 4:05 PM, Dominique BERTHET wrote: How to install sogo-activesync from sources ? Install the libwbxml-devel packages from our repo. % cd SOGo/ActiveSync % make install Adjust your Apache configuration. Enjoy some tea and a cookie. -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence ( http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
2013-12-11 16:58 keltezéssel, Ludovic Marcotte írta: On 2013-12-11 10:51 AM, Ludovic Hutin wrote: Any good news for this feature ? Basically, folders synchronization works as well as events/tasks/contacts and mails. One can also send mails, rename/delete/create folders. We're currently pimping the code so it's releasable. It will be released with the new SOGo release or with a separated package? This is our most coveted package - I think... -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
On 2014-01-10 7:00 AM, Szládovics Péter wrote: It will be released with the new SOGo release or with a separated package? I'm not sure I fully understand your question but it'll be part of the next major version of SOGo but it'll be bundled as a separate RPM/deb. Thanks, -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
2014-01-10 13:30 keltezéssel, Ludovic Marcotte írta: On 2014-01-10 7:00 AM, Szládovics Péter wrote: It will be released with the new SOGo release or with a separated package? I'm not sure I fully understand your question but it'll be part of the next major version of SOGo but it'll be bundled as a separate RPM/deb. Thanks your answer! I meant separated release period/time. When will be the next major release about? Q1 maybe, or later? -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
On 14-01-10 8:05 AM, Szládovics Péter wrote: 2014-01-10 13:30 keltezéssel, Ludovic Marcotte írta: On 2014-01-10 7:00 AM, Szládovics Péter wrote: It will be released with the new SOGo release or with a separated package? I'm not sure I fully understand your question but it'll be part of the next major version of SOGo but it'll be bundled as a separate RPM/deb. Thanks your answer! I meant separated release period/time. When will be the next major release about? Q1 maybe, or later? Friday -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
Hello, Any good news for this feature ? Ludovic. Le 26/11/2013 14:38, Ludovic Marcotte a écrit : On 2013-11-26 8:15 AM, Márcio Merlone wrote: Any update on this? Can't wait for that. :) The work is ongoing. We expect an initial working version by the end of this week or the next one. Thanks, -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
On 2013-12-11 10:51 AM, Ludovic Hutin wrote: Any good news for this feature ? Basically, folders synchronization works as well as events/tasks/contacts and mails. One can also send mails, rename/delete/create folders. We're currently pimping the code so it's releasable. Ludovic -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
Hi, Any update on this? Can't wait for that. :) Regards. Em 18-09-2013 18:22, Ludovic Marcotte escreveu: Hello, We've been pretty silent when it came to Active Sync support in SOGo for multiple reasons. First of all, there are licensing implications with Microsoft Active Sync. Moreover, there's a plethora of Active Sync implementations out there. We also wanted to see how vendors would adopt CalDAV/CardDAV, how down the drain Funambol would go and the market's impact of the new Windows/Blackberry phones. After digesting all the above for a few weeks, we came to the conclusion we should most likely add Active Sync support to SOGo. Over the past few days, I've been (and still are) in contact with an IP Licensing person at Microsoft. We had interesting discussions which led us to believe we could: 1. create an Active Sync bundle in SOGo for synchronization 2. license it under a free but non-GPL (BSD, for example) 3. distribute it for free We can't use the GPL because of patents restrictions. Z-Push/OPush/Synchotron are all using patented technologies without a license and Microsoft currently does not license to GPL implementations - so using these is not an option. Since the addition of Active Sync support in SOGo would be a server-side implementation, there would be a per-mailbox fee to use it. That fee, would have to be paid to Microsoft directly. On our end, everything would be free of use. Evidently, if we start working on Active Sync support in SOGo, we'll definitively drop Funambol support - which is probably even more exciting then adding Active Sync support. Thanks! -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 ::http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- *Marcio Merlone* TI - Administrador de redes *A1 Engenharia - Unidade Corporativa* Fone: +55 41 3616-3797 Cel:+55 41 9689-0036 http://www.a1.ind.br/ http://www.a1.ind.br -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
On 2013-11-26 8:15 AM, Márcio Merlone wrote: Any update on this? Can't wait for that. :) The work is ongoing. We expect an initial working version by the end of this week or the next one. Thanks, -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
Il 18/09/2013 23:22, Ludovic Marcotte ha scritto: Hello, We've been pretty silent when it came to Active Sync support in SOGo for multiple reasons. First of all, there are licensing implications with Microsoft Active Sync. Moreover, there's a plethora of Active Sync implementations out there. We also wanted to see how vendors would adopt CalDAV/CardDAV, how down the drain Funambol would go and the market's impact of the new Windows/Blackberry phones. IMHO with CalDAV/CardDAV and Active Sync support, Funambol no longer makes sense to exist. Already today with only CalDAV and CardDAV Funambol is useful only for (old) Blackberry device, which, however, are always less. On my SOGo server (with some thousands of users) we have disabled the support for Funambol some months ago. After digesting all the above for a few weeks, we came to the conclusion we should most likely add Active Sync support to SOGo. Great news! Thanks -- Alessio Cecchi is: @ ILS - http://www.linux.it/~alessice/ on LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/alessice Assistenza Sistemi GNU/Linux - http://www.cecchi.biz/ @ PLUG - ex-Presidente, adesso senatore a vita, http://www.prato.linux.it -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
At Fri, 20 Sep 2013 00:12:05 +0200, Rémi Letot wrote: Jeroen Dekkers jer...@dekkers.ch writes: but I think we can't just disregard all microsoft patents on the basis that software patents aren't valid in Europe. Of course not, but software patents and patents on protocols or interfaces are completely out of scope in Europe (despite the EPO granting them). I can't see what in the active sync protocol could be considered patentable in Europe, there is no interraction with «the forces of nature» that I'm aware of. The forces of nature definition was an amendment that was proposed for the rejected software patent directive, as far as I know that definition isn't in use anywhere. But I agree that the activesync patents are likely to be invalidated on the basis that they are on software as such, but imho you still need to consider that they might not. Microsoft could still try to defend it's patents in court, which would be a definitive blow to any European small business, but I really don't think they would risk confirmation of the invalidity of their patents for any small business scale operation. As a small business you will probably get away with it, but there is still a risk and I just wanted to point that out so everybody can make an informed decision whether to take that risk. The good thing is that court cases in Europe are a lot cheaper than the US and most of the time the losing party has to pay the legal fees, but you still need to have the money to pay the lawyers during the case. Kind regards, Jeroen Dekkers -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 05:22:50PM -0400, Ludovic Marcotte wrote: Since the addition of Active Sync support in SOGo would be a server-side implementation, there would be a per-mailbox fee to use it. That fee, would have to be paid to Microsoft directly. Do you have any ballpark estimates for what that fee would be? I'm worried that such a per-mailbox fee might not scale very well to ISP scale number of mailboxes. At a minimum it must be based on actual ActiveSync usage, not total number of accounts. Evidently, if we start working on Active Sync support in SOGo, we'll definitively drop Funambol support - which is probably even more exciting then adding Active Sync support. :-) -jf -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
On 2013-09-19 3:03 AM, Jan-Frode Myklebust wrote: Do you have any ballpark estimates for what that fee would be? I'm worried that such a per-mailbox fee might not scale very well to ISP scale number of mailboxes. At a minimum it must be based on actual ActiveSync usage, not total number of accounts. I don't - this would have to be negotiated between the ISP and Microsoft. The prices you sent in your other email are not the ones from Microsoft - which could be significantly lower for large volumes. -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
Hi, Am 19.09.13 12:47, schrieb Ludovic Marcotte: On 2013-09-19 3:03 AM, Jan-Frode Myklebust wrote: Do you have any ballpark estimates for what that fee would be? I'm worried that such a per-mailbox fee might not scale very well to ISP scale number of mailboxes. At a minimum it must be based on actual ActiveSync usage, not total number of accounts. I don't - this would have to be negotiated between the ISP and Microsoft. The prices you sent in your other email are not the ones from Microsoft - which could be significantly lower for large volumes. Ok, for my understanding: that fees are to pay, when SOGo + AS is used in a ISP setup? What about the company setup? Greetings, Martin -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
On 2013-09-19 6:49 AM, Martin Rabl wrote: Ok, for my understanding: that fees are to pay, when SOGo + AS is used in a ISP setup? What about the company setup? Microsoft charges a per-mailbox fee for Active Sync support. We'll produce the software and distribute it for free, it'll be your responsibility to determine the number of licenses you require and acquire them from Microsoft. We would essentially shovel the license issues in your backyard, while we focus on actual development :-) -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
Bravo! -- Skickat från mobilusken! -- 18 sep 2013 kl. 23:23 skrev Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca: Hello, We've been pretty silent when it came to Active Sync support in SOGo for multiple reasons. First of all, there are licensing implications with Microsoft Active Sync. Moreover, there's a plethora of Active Sync implementations out there. We also wanted to see how vendors would adopt CalDAV/CardDAV, how down the drain Funambol would go and the market's impact of the new Windows/Blackberry phones. After digesting all the above for a few weeks, we came to the conclusion we should most likely add Active Sync support to SOGo. Over the past few days, I've been (and still are) in contact with an IP Licensing person at Microsoft. We had interesting discussions which led us to believe we could: create an Active Sync bundle in SOGo for synchronization license it under a free but non-GPL (BSD, for example) distribute it for free We can't use the GPL because of patents restrictions. Z-Push/OPush/Synchotron are all using patented technologies without a license and Microsoft currently does not license to GPL implementations - so using these is not an option. Since the addition of Active Sync support in SOGo would be a server-side implementation, there would be a per-mailbox fee to use it. That fee, would have to be paid to Microsoft directly. On our end, everything would be free of use. Evidently, if we start working on Active Sync support in SOGo, we'll definitively drop Funambol support - which is probably even more exciting then adding Active Sync support. Thanks! -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
On 19/09/2013 9:09 PM, Davor Vusir wrote: Bravo! -- Skickat från mobilusken! -- 18 sep 2013 kl. 23:23 skrev Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca mailto:lmarco...@inverse.ca: Hello, We've been pretty silent when it came to Active Sync support in SOGo for multiple reasons. First of all, there are licensing implications with Microsoft Active Sync. Moreover, there's a plethora of Active Sync implementations out there. We also wanted to see how vendors would adopt CalDAV/CardDAV, how down the drain Funambol would go and the market's impact of the new Windows/Blackberry phones. After digesting all the above for a few weeks, we came to the conclusion we should most likely add Active Sync support to SOGo. Over the past few days, I've been (and still are) in contact with an IP Licensing person at Microsoft. We had interesting discussions which led us to believe we could: 1. create an Active Sync bundle in SOGo for synchronization 2. license it under a free but non-GPL (BSD, for example) 3. distribute it for free We can't use the GPL because of patents restrictions. Z-Push/OPush/Synchotron are all using patented technologies without a license and Microsoft currently does not license to GPL implementations - so using these is not an option. Since the addition of Active Sync support in SOGo would be a server-side implementation, there would be a per-mailbox fee to use it. That fee, would have to be paid to Microsoft directly. On our end, everything would be free of use. Evidently, if we start working on Active Sync support in SOGo, we'll definitively drop Funambol support - which is probably even more exciting then adding Active Sync support. Thanks! -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 ::http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) Um... I just want to say you guys ROCK!!! Now we are getting somewhere :) */Regards,/* */Steven Swarts/* -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
On 09/19/13 09:10, Rémi Letot wrote: Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca writes: 1. create an Active Sync bundle in SOGo for synchronization 2. license it under a free but non-GPL (BSD, for example) 3. distribute it for free We can't use the GPL because of patents restrictions. Z-Push/OPush/Synchotron are all using patented technologies without a license and Microsoft currently does not license to GPL implementations - so using these is not an option. Don't forget that software patents are invalid in big parts of the world, so these technologies are not infringing anything there. I know I'm on the fringe of this, but this looks a bit worrying. I've three questions: Is that only true as long as Inverse are careful not to derive anything from Microsoft-copyrighted works? Could something semi-detached Funambol-like be done instead of moving SOGo away from the GPL? Would Inverse consider devoting similar resources to helping the Caldav and Carddav adapter developers as being used helping Microsoft? Thanks, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/ -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
At Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:10:24 +0200, Rémi Letot wrote: Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca writes: 1. create an Active Sync bundle in SOGo for synchronization 2. license it under a free but non-GPL (BSD, for example) 3. distribute it for free We can't use the GPL because of patents restrictions. Z-Push/OPush/Synchotron are all using patented technologies without a license and Microsoft currently does not license to GPL implementations - so using these is not an option. Don't forget that software patents are invalid in big parts of the world, so these technologies are not infringing anything there. Since the addition of Active Sync support in SOGo would be a server-side implementation, there would be a per-mailbox fee to use it. That fee, would have to be paid to Microsoft directly. On our end, everything would be free of use. Again, that fee would only apply where software patents are valid, which is great news for European users like me :-) I would advise anyone who is going to professionally run an ActiveSync service to not just think software patents are invalid in Europe and at least ask for legal advice. The situation is unfortunately a lot more complex than software being patentable or not. In Europe software as such is not patentable and what as such exactly means isn't really clear. The EPO interpretation is very narrow and the EPO has granted a lot of software patents. I'm not following all the things going on in software patent world anymore, but as far as I remeber a UK court did invalidate a patent because it was on software as such. On the other hand a Dutch court enforced a software patent from Apple on the photo gallery of some Samsung phones. I don't know if Samsung had tried to get the patent invalidated on the basis that is a patent on software as such, but I think we can't just disregard all microsoft patents on the basis that software patents aren't valid in Europe. Kind regards, Jeroen Dekkers -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
On 13-09-19 12:45 PM, MJ Ray wrote: Could something semi-detached Funambol-like be done instead of moving SOGo away from the GPL? We're not moving SOGo away from the GPL. the active sync stuff will have to be licensed under another license, but that's it. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
Jeroen Dekkers jer...@dekkers.ch writes: At Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:10:24 +0200, Rémi Letot wrote: Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca writes: 1. create an Active Sync bundle in SOGo for synchronization 2. license it under a free but non-GPL (BSD, for example) 3. distribute it for free We can't use the GPL because of patents restrictions. Z-Push/OPush/Synchotron are all using patented technologies without a license and Microsoft currently does not license to GPL implementations - so using these is not an option. Don't forget that software patents are invalid in big parts of the world, so these technologies are not infringing anything there. Since the addition of Active Sync support in SOGo would be a server-side implementation, there would be a per-mailbox fee to use it. That fee, would have to be paid to Microsoft directly. On our end, everything would be free of use. Again, that fee would only apply where software patents are valid, which is great news for European users like me :-) I would advise anyone who is going to professionally run an ActiveSync service to not just think software patents are invalid in Europe and at least ask for legal advice. The situation is unfortunately a lot more complex than software being patentable or not. In Europe software as such is not patentable and what as such exactly means isn't really clear. The EPO interpretation is very narrow and the EPO has granted a lot of software patents. Which does not mean that these patents would hold in court. But I agree: defending oneself could be prohibitively expensive, and hasardeous. I'm not following all the things going on in software patent world anymore, but as far as I remeber a UK court did invalidate a patent because it was on software as such. On the other hand a Dutch court enforced a software patent from Apple on the photo gallery of some Samsung phones. I don't know if Samsung had tried to get the patent invalidated on the basis that is a patent on software as such, AFAIK, it was not on software «as such», but on the way the user interracts with the interface (which itself is implemented in software), which is a whole different thing. but I think we can't just disregard all microsoft patents on the basis that software patents aren't valid in Europe. Of course not, but software patents and patents on protocols or interfaces are completely out of scope in Europe (despite the EPO granting them). I can't see what in the active sync protocol could be considered patentable in Europe, there is no interraction with «the forces of nature» that I'm aware of. Microsoft could still try to defend it's patents in court, which would be a definitive blow to any European small business, but I really don't think they would risk confirmation of the invalidity of their patents for any small business scale operation. Now of course IANAL, this is only IMHO and all :-) Thanks, -- Rémi -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Active Sync support in SOGo
Hi,
So does this going to be like OpenXchange or Zarafa or Zimbra or other
email solution which will be chargeable based on the user accessing via
Microsoft ActiveSync protocol.
Why can't we move away from Microsoft license.
On Thursday, September 19, 2013, Ludovic Marcotte wrote:
Hello,
We've been pretty silent when it came to Active Sync support in SOGo for
multiple reasons.
First of all, there are licensing implications with Microsoft Active Sync.
Moreover, there's a plethora of Active Sync implementations out there. We
also wanted to see how vendors would adopt CalDAV/CardDAV, how down the
drain Funambol would go and the market's impact of the new
Windows/Blackberry phones.
After digesting all the above for a few weeks, we came to the conclusion
we should most likely add Active Sync support to SOGo.
Over the past few days, I've been (and still are) in contact with an IP
Licensing person at Microsoft. We had interesting discussions which led us
to believe we could:
1. create an Active Sync bundle in SOGo for synchronization
2. license it under a free but non-GPL (BSD, for example)
3. distribute it for free
We can't use the GPL because of patents restrictions.
Z-Push/OPush/Synchotron are all using patented technologies without a
license and Microsoft currently does not license to GPL implementations -
so using these is not an option.
Since the addition of Active Sync support in SOGo would be a server-side
implementation, there would be a per-mailbox fee to use it. That fee, would
have to be paid to Microsoft directly. On our end, everything would be free
of use.
Evidently, if we start working on Active Sync support in SOGo, we'll
definitively drop Funambol support - which is probably even more exciting
then adding Active Sync support.
Thanks!
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It's great :) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
