[USMA:17603] Thanks...

2002-01-24 Thread Harry Wyeth
...to whoever it was who posted the notice about the weather feature on the TV in Michigan the other day. I am surprised no one else seemed to think it was the funniest thing posted in a long time. I forwarded it to some friends who thought it was hilarious, and maybe they just picked up a tad

[USMA:17604] Re: A4 paper

2002-01-24 Thread Han Maenen
Jim and all, I just went back to Adobe Acrobat and clicked Page set-up. It loads my printer driver (HP 720C) which has A4 as standard. I loaded several PDF documents and so I saw that the SI brochure loads with A4, other files load with converted 11 inch, and yet another loaded with 170*244.8

[USMA:17605] Fwd: Re: ISO 8601 date format

2002-01-24 Thread M R
The -mm-dd concept started primarily from computer where the files/directories were created with dates in this format, so that it will be in chronological order when listed. You can see lot of internet websites using this format including the url's. All numbers like telephone, zipcode, etc

[USMA:17607] Euro vs. Metrication (was: Thinning the list)

2002-01-24 Thread Jim Elwell
At 11:38 PM 1/23/2002 -0500, kilopascal wrote: The Euro is a perfect example of how to convert something. That is why it is important to our cause. This is a matter of opinion. My opinion is that this is a perfect example of the dictatorial approach of socialist politicians, and is the *WORST*

[USMA:17608] Re: Wind speed

2002-01-24 Thread Duncan Bath
If we want to delay [indefinitely?] the acceptance of SI by the public, we could do little better than emphasize the scientific/engineering viewpoint. *People* want to schedule thier driving by knowing how far they can go in an hour or a day not a second. They insist on an a land-area measure

[USMA:17609] Re: ISO 8601 date format

2002-01-24 Thread Ma Be
This is good advice. Actually I do avoid using only numbers when I state dates in North America. While I'd favor the dd/mm/ for the reasons I already stated repeatedly here I would not jeopardize its understanding by people by using numbers only. Example, I'd write 24 Jan 2002, instead

[USMA:17610] Re: Compromises!!

2002-01-24 Thread Ma Be
I must concur with the last paragraph below. Till when will Great Britain continue to faulter on this issue? Why can't they come to their senses and do the only sensible thing to do (espoused below)??? Compromises do NOT work, P-E-R-I-O-D! Marcus On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:45:25 Stephen

[USMA:17611] Re: Wind speed

2002-01-24 Thread Jim Elwell
At 01:00 PM 1/24/2002 -0500, Duncan Bath wrote: If we want to delay [indefinitely?] the acceptance of SI by the public, we could do little better than emphasize the scientific/engineering viewpoint. *People* want to schedule thier driving by knowing how far they can go in an hour or a day not a

[USMA:17612] Individual freedom

2002-01-24 Thread Ma Be
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:19:04 Jim Elwell wrote: At 11:38 PM 1/23/2002 -0500, kilopascal wrote: The Euro is a perfect example of how to convert something. That is why it is important to our cause. This is a matter of opinion. My opinion is that this is a perfect example of the dictatorial

[USMA:17613] Re: Wind speed

2002-01-24 Thread Carter, Baron
Duncan, I couldn't agree more. In aviation if we were to go to the m/s concept then our airspeed indicators would also have to change to m/s and our aeronautical charts would have to change to meters. Our fuel consumption rates would have to be in L/s, or kg/s or even more ridiculous g/s. I

[USMA:17614] RE: Thinning the list

2002-01-24 Thread Adrian Jadic
What you are telling us is regrettable and I think it is high time that we revise our attitude towards our postings on the list. I have to confess that I also hate it when people go WAY off track, or when I receive tenths of messages containing just a short dialog. I think that a posting

[USMA:17616] Re: Compromises!!

2002-01-24 Thread Joseph B. Reid
Marcus Ma Be wrote in USMA 17610: I must concur with the last paragraph below. Till when will Great Britain continue to faulter on this issue? Why can't they come to their senses and do the only sensible thing to do (espoused below)??? Compromises do NOT work, P-E-R-I-O-D! Marcus Don't

[USMA:17617] Re: Individual freedom

2002-01-24 Thread Jim Elwell
At 11:03 AM 1/24/2002 -0800, Ma Be wrote: On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:19:04 Jim Elwell wrote: At 11:38 PM 1/23/2002 -0500, kilopascal wrote: The Euro is a perfect example of how to convert something. That is why it is important to our cause. This is a matter of opinion. My opinion is that

[USMA:17618] Re: Individual freedom

2002-01-24 Thread Jim Elwell
(sorry for the earlier accidental repost of Marcus' post) Like Marcus, I don't want to start major postings on liberty vs. metrication, so here is my brief response to his brief post. However, I also believe that *collective* rights at times could and should supersede at sorts the

[USMA:17619] RE: Thinning the list

2002-01-24 Thread Hillger, Don
Adrian and others: I don't plan a lengthy response for one of the reasons I note below: I've tried repeatedly to stop list messages from going too far off topic, ranging from broadcasting general suggestions about staying on track, to e-mailing some of the active members asking them to stop

[USMA:17620] Language Fair

2002-01-24 Thread James Frysinger
I have been invited back to the Language Fair at the College of Charleston in order to provide a table (a larger one this time!) promoting the SI. This fair is aimed at promoting studies of foreign languages, cultural awareness, and foreign travel (especially for studies). The date of the fair

[USMA:17621] Re: Wind speed

2002-01-24 Thread Leonardo Boselli
On 23 Jan 2002, at 21:35, Gene Mechtly wrote: I strongly support your advocacy of m/s for speed, but for all speeds, not just for wind, aircraft, and for ships at sea. My extraction of some of your words more exclusively favors m/s only. ... It is one of the key areas of metrication for the

[USMA:17622] Fwd: Euro vs. Metrication (was: Thinning the list)

2002-01-24 Thread M R
Necessity is the mother of all inventions and this applies to Euro. In 1980's, American Japanese companies competed aggressively and the European companies cannot cope up with that, since they had very small markets. In order to compete, they needed a common market. But common market could not

[USMA:17623] Individual freedom, was Euro vs. Metrication

2002-01-24 Thread Adrian Jadic
Jim: (I have also read the MA BE's posting individual freedom) I am glad that you bring this up and as Marcus says we kind-of guessed your position. I have to say that I understand and somewhat agree with your views. However, and don’t get me wrong here, you have a very Americanized opinion

[USMA:17625] Re: Fwd: Euro vs. Metrication (was: Thinning the list)

2002-01-24 Thread Jim Elwell
At 01:46 PM 1/24/2002 -0800, M R wrote: But common market could not be utilised fully without single currency and thus came the EURO. Obviously my first email on this topic was not clear. I do NOT have a problem with the Euro per se. However, I do not think the method by which it was imposed

[USMA:17626] Re: Compromises!!

2002-01-24 Thread Stephen Davis
And so we were the greatest power the world had ever seen!! The thing is, too many of us are forgetting that this is past tense!! The trouble is, all too many are still clinging on to the glory days, seemingly believing that if we rescind our membership of Europe, those glory days will

[USMA:17627] Off-SI:Euro statistics

2002-01-24 Thread M R
Since this is not related to metric, I have addressed only to guys in Europe and who loves Europe. I took it from http://forums.ft.com/2/OpenTopic?a=tpcs=646099322f=831094803m=5443084973r=5443084973#5443084973 Are the Euro coins better designed than the Dollar coins?

[USMA:17628] Re: Thinning the list

2002-01-24 Thread Ma Be
Hear, hear, Adrian! But... Welcome to the club, pal... :-S I've been trying to stir things here for quite some time now without much success, so... I sort of... gave up... It seems like either the inertia is huge, or this has just been a lip service to metrication by nearly all. What

[USMA:17629] Re: Compromises!!

2002-01-24 Thread Ma Be
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:05:47 Joseph B. Reid wrote: ... Don't forget that Britain was the greatest power that the world has ever seen. It comes hard to realize that France was right after all. First of all, I beg your pardon??? It seems to me you have forgotten your history, Joe. I can

[USMA:17630] Re: Thinning the list

2002-01-24 Thread Duncan Bath
-Original Message- From: Adrian Jadic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: January 24, 2002 17:40 Subject: [USMA:17624] Thinning the list All I am trying to say is that *We need leadership!* I have no clue what is going on and most of the people on the

[USMA:17631] Re: Thinning the list

2002-01-24 Thread James R. Frysinger
Marcus, are you a dues-paying USMA member or are you along for a free ride on this mail list? What actions have you taken recently (outside of providing us with free advice) to promote the cause of metrication in the US? I know that you've written a few letters in the past, but what about

[USMA:17632] Re: Individual freedom, was Euro vs. Metrication

2002-01-24 Thread Ma Be
I have to applaud Adrian's clear and rational expose'. Very well done, Adrian. Just a last note of clarification, which due to the shortness of my reply to Jim may have not been too clear. I'm not a crusader against individual rights. Actually, I do support them and find that they're very

[USMA:17633] Let's see if something can come out of this...

2002-01-24 Thread Ma Be
Excellent initiative, Adrian. How about a strategic plan for Congress lobbying? If USMA insists it cannot do that, none of us is certainly bound by that stupid self-imposed restriction, are we??? Evidently this would just be ONE activity of a series of ones I've shared here sometime ago.

[USMA:17634] Re: Thinning the list

2002-01-24 Thread Ma Be
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:54:10 James R. Frysinger wrote: Marcus, are you a dues-paying USMA member or are you along for a free ride on this mail list? What actions have you taken recently (outside of providing us with free advice) to promote the cause of metrication in the US? I know that you've