Re: [vchkpw] vpopmail 5.3.19
On Sun, 9 Mar 2003, Jesse Guardiani wrote: But I don't think it would break functionality for you, and it would probably add functionality that people with less friendly billing programs (or no billing program at all) could appreciate. You have much bigger problems if you are trying to make vpopmail your billing system. If you have a billing system that is not able to automatically either suspend users for non-payment or delete users that have cancelled, that's almost as big a problem. Your efforts would probably be better spent tying your servers and your billing system together (and doing an audit while you're at it). Charles Regards, Andrew
Re: [vchkpw] vpopmail 5.3.19
- Original Message - From: Charles Sprickman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jesse Guardiani [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [vchkpw] vpopmail 5.3.19 On Sun, 9 Mar 2003, Jesse Guardiani wrote: But I don't think it would break functionality for you, and it would probably add functionality that people with less friendly billing programs (or no billing program at all) could appreciate. You have much bigger problems if you are trying to make vpopmail your billing system. If you have a billing system that is not able to automatically either suspend users for non-payment or delete users that have cancelled, that's almost as big a problem. Your efforts would probably be better spent tying your servers and your billing system together (and doing an audit while you're at it). You're probably right. My billing system does suck. But hey, what am I supposed to do? I help run a small ISP with just over 1K users. I didn't ask for the billing system. It came with my job. And I don't think we have enough money for a better billing system at this point. My point is that the expiry feature would be a nice feature for me, but I can see that it's not popular with the big boys. Thanks for reading. I'll stop posting this thread now. Charles Regards, Andrew
Re: [vchkpw] vpopmail 5.3.19
On Sun, 9 Mar 2003, Jesse Guardiani wrote: You're probably right. My billing system does suck. But hey, what am I supposed to do? I help run a small ISP with just over 1K users. I didn't ask for the billing system. It came with my job. And I don't think we have enough money for a better billing system at this point. Sure you do: http://www.sisd.com/freeside Even has a vpopmail module. My point is that the expiry feature would be a nice feature for me, but I can see that it's not popular with the big boys. I think that's because anyone planning on being in business for a reasonable length of time has a billing system that can pull non-paying or cancelled customers... :) Charles Thanks for reading. I'll stop posting this thread now. Charles Regards, Andrew
Re: [vchkpw] vpopmail 5.3.19
On Saturday 08 March 2003 00:45, Kari Suomela wrote: Friday March 07 2003 13:39, Steve Fulton wrote to Kari Suomela: SF Define user expiry for me, I'm curious as to what you mean. SF confrontational, I'm simply curious if you're referring to a SF system SF where I clients e-mail account or domains expire at a certain SF date, or SF something else. We don't offer lifetime email accounts, so setting the accounts to expire automatically at the end of their term, is what we'd like to do. but is this really something vpopmail should worry about? i guess we could add a new option to vadduser, like -x 2003-05-12 which then also adds the expire date to the vpopmail sql table. then you would have to run a script once a day SELECT * FROM vpopmail WHERE expiredate CURRENT_DATE and calling vdeluser for every returned row.. an automated check every vdelivermail/vchkpw is uneccessary and just slows mail delivery down. -- Regards Justin
Re: [vchkpw] vpopmail 5.3.19
Also, how many other people would be interested in a feature like this? My company doesn't offer lifetime accounts either. When their contract is up, we remove the domain. It seems like this would be an unneccesary complication. You could also write a simple perl script that would check a flat file, or database, or whatever and if that account has hit it's expiry, then run vmoduser against it and disable the account. Still not sure why you'd want to disable over delete. Regards, Tren Quoting Justin Heesemann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Saturday 08 March 2003 00:45, Kari Suomela wrote: Friday March 07 2003 13:39, Steve Fulton wrote to Kari Suomela: SF Define user expiry for me, I'm curious as to what you mean. SF confrontational, I'm simply curious if you're referring to a SF system SF where I clients e-mail account or domains expire at a certain SF date, or SF something else. We don't offer lifetime email accounts, so setting the accounts to expire automatically at the end of their term, is what we'd like to do. but is this really something vpopmail should worry about? i guess we could add a new option to vadduser, like -x 2003-05-12 which then also adds the expire date to the vpopmail sql table. then you would have to run a script once a day SELECT * FROM vpopmail WHERE expiredate CURRENT_DATE and calling vdeluser for every returned row.. an automated check every vdelivermail/vchkpw is uneccessary and just slows mail delivery down. -- Regards Justin --- This message sent via Nerds On Site WebMail: http://www.nerdsonsite.com
Re: [vchkpw] vpopmail 5.3.19
On Sat, 8 Mar 2003, Tren Blackburn wrote: Also, how many other people would be interested in a feature like this? My company doesn't offer lifetime accounts either. When their contract is up, we remove the domain. Personally, I think your billing system should be taking care of the removal/suspension of accounts... C It seems like this would be an unneccesary complication. You could also write a simple perl script that would check a flat file, or database, or whatever and if that account has hit it's expiry, then run vmoduser against it and disable the account. Still not sure why you'd want to disable over delete. Regards, Tren Quoting Justin Heesemann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Saturday 08 March 2003 00:45, Kari Suomela wrote: Friday March 07 2003 13:39, Steve Fulton wrote to Kari Suomela: SF Define user expiry for me, I'm curious as to what you mean. SF confrontational, I'm simply curious if you're referring to a SF system SF where I clients e-mail account or domains expire at a certain SF date, or SF something else. We don't offer lifetime email accounts, so setting the accounts to expire automatically at the end of their term, is what we'd like to do. but is this really something vpopmail should worry about? i guess we could add a new option to vadduser, like -x 2003-05-12 which then also adds the expire date to the vpopmail sql table. then you would have to run a script once a day SELECT * FROM vpopmail WHERE expiredate CURRENT_DATE and calling vdeluser for every returned row.. an automated check every vdelivermail/vchkpw is uneccessary and just slows mail delivery down. -- Regards Justin --- This message sent via Nerds On Site WebMail: http://www.nerdsonsite.com
[vchkpw] vpopmail 5.3.19
Thursday March 06 2003 21:23, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote to All: Complaining? Just asking a question. Not an unreasonable wish, either! AK You come across as if you're entitled to the feature in this AK release. Everyone's entitled to their opinion - as long they keep it to themselves. I posted the same question a long time ago. Can't recall the answer, but somehow understood that it might be implemented in a subsequent version. I still think user expiry is one of the 'must-have' features. KS KARICO Business Services Toronto, ON Canada http://www.karico.ca
Re: [vchkpw] vpopmail 5.3.19
On Friday, March 7, 2003, at 08:44 AM, Kari Suomela wrote: Everyone's entitled to their opinion - as long they keep it to themselves. I posted the same question a long time ago. Can't recall the answer, but somehow understood that it might be implemented in a subsequent version. I still think user expiry is one of the 'must-have' features. Then by all means, submit a patch and I'll be happy to test it. Regards, Bill Shupp
Re: [vchkpw] vpopmail 5.3.19
On Friday 07 March 2003 11:44, Kari Suomela wrote: Thursday March 06 2003 21:23, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote to All: Complaining? Just asking a question. Not an unreasonable wish, either! AK You come across as if you're entitled to the feature in this AK release. Everyone's entitled to their opinion - as long they keep it to themselves. I posted the same question a long time ago. Can't recall the answer, but somehow understood that it might be implemented in a subsequent version. I still think user expiry is one of the 'must-have' features. I think it's a pretty good idea myself, especially with MySQL support. We use expiry all the time with radius, and it'd only be natural for email accounts too. I think the list might want to add this to their collective list of things to do in the future. I might be interested in working on it once I get out from under this mound of other things to do. It wouldn't hurt to discuss implementation in the meantime. That way whoever decides to code it wouldn't have to actually think, just code. KS KARICO Business Services Toronto, ON Canada http://www.karico.ca -- Jesse Guardiani, Systems Administrator WingNET Internet Services, P.O. Box 2605 // Cleveland, TN 37320-2605 423-559-LINK (v) 423-559-5145 (f) http://www.wingnet.net We are actively looking for companies that do a lot of long distance faxing and want to cut their long distance bill by up to 50%. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more info.
Re: [vchkpw] vpopmail 5.3.19
At 13:03 07/03/2003 -0500, you wrote: SF Define user expiry for me, I'm curious as to what you mean. I will, if you post to the list. I had assumed you had, but I had missed it. I'm not be confrontational, I'm simply curious if you're referring to a system where I clients e-mail account or domains expire at a certain date, or something else. -- Steve.
Re: [vchkpw] vpopmail 5.3.19
I still think user expiry is one of the 'must-have' features. Personally I don't think it belongs in vpopmail. A shell script that runs once a week/month that queries the database for users older than x and runs vdeluser $user would be stupid-simple to implement. Unless you are asking for something else, I don't see how this belongs in vpopmail at all... Regards, Andrew
[vchkpw] vpopmail 5.3.19
Friday March 07 2003 09:33, Bill Shupp wrote to All: I still think user expiry is one of the 'must-have' features. BS Then by all means, submit a patch and I'll be happy to test it. If I knew how, I would have done it ages ago. KS KARICO Business Services Toronto, ON Canada http://www.karico.ca
[vchkpw] vpopmail 5.3.19
Friday March 07 2003 13:39, Steve Fulton wrote to Kari Suomela: SF Define user expiry for me, I'm curious as to what you mean. SF confrontational, I'm simply curious if you're referring to a SF system SF where I clients e-mail account or domains expire at a certain SF date, or SF something else. We don't offer lifetime email accounts, so setting the accounts to expire automatically at the end of their term, is what we'd like to do. KS KARICO Business Services Toronto, ON Canada http://www.karico.ca
Re: [vchkpw] vpopmail 5.3.19
KS, Maybe you could hire someone to do it for you. Open Source needs any resource from anybody. It's not an endless fountain of resources for you to get money. Solidarity is key in the whole Open Source system. Jordi Roca - Original Message - From: Kari Suomela To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 12:43 AM Subject: [vchkpw] vpopmail 5.3.19 Friday March 07 2003 09:33, Bill Shupp wrote to All: I still think user expiry is one of the 'must-have' features.BS Then by all means, submit a patch and I'll be happy to test it.If I knew how, I would have done it ages ago.KS KARICO Business Services Toronto, ON Canada http://www.karico.ca
[vchkpw] vpopmail 5.3.19
Wednesday March 05 2003 11:47, Bill Shupp wrote to All: BS I've posted a new devel version, 5.3.19. Please help test Still no user expiry feature? KS KARICO Business Services Toronto, ON Canada http://www.karico.ca
RE: [vchkpw] vpopmail 5.3.19
I Have it installed on 2 machines now and works fine. REMO -Original Message- From: Kari Suomela [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 9:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [vchkpw] vpopmail 5.3.19 Wednesday March 05 2003 11:47, Bill Shupp wrote to All: BS I've posted a new devel version, 5.3.19. Please help test Still no user expiry feature? KS KARICO Business Services Toronto, ON Canada http://www.karico.ca
Re: [vchkpw] vpopmail 5.3.19
On Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 08:11 AM, Kari Suomela wrote: Wednesday March 05 2003 11:47, Bill Shupp wrote to All: BS I've posted a new devel version, 5.3.19. Please help test Still no user expiry feature? What are you talking about? It sounds like you're complaining about some feature you're expecting. Did you contribute a patch that was missed? Please elaborate. There is vdeloldusers, but that is based on lack of authentication, rather than timed expiration. Regards, Bill Shupp
Re: [vchkpw] vpopmail 5.3.19
Wednesday March 05 2003 11:47, Bill Shupp wrote to All: BS I've posted a new devel version, 5.3.19. Please help test Still no user expiry feature? Have you written it yet? When you write it, then you should post the patch to the list. It would be reviewed, tested, then possibly/probably added to the release. Brian KS KARICO Business Services Toronto, ON Canada http://www.karico.ca
Re: [vchkpw] vpopmail 5.3.19
Complaining? Just asking a question. Not an unreasonable wish, either! You come across as if you're entitled to the feature in this release. Why not ask nicely instead of a half-sarcastic quip? I think that's what everyone's picking up on. Regards, Andrew
[vchkpw] vpopmail 5.3.19
Ken, All: I've posted a new devel version, 5.3.19. Please help test ChangeLog: http://shupp.org/patches/vpopmail-ChangeLog Download: http://shupp.org/patches/vpopmail-5.3.19.tar.gz Regards, Bill Shupp
