[VFB] QUOTE FOR THE DAY
Fish are strange creatures. They're even more unpredictable than women - and that's going some. R.V Gadabout Gaddis (1967) * Sorry to get behind on the daily quote. Been awfully busy with garden, yard and cutting wood lately. JIMMY D º * JIMMY D. MOORE, ARS WB5RHT,author Moon Holler Misfits Fishing Hunting Club, Member, TOWA, Past VP Guadalupe River Trout Unlimited, North Zone Fishing Editor Emeritus, Texas Fish Game Magazine, VFB FFW Moderator, Scout Exec. BSA, Retired, http://bigtroutman.tripod.com/index.html * º *** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
[VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishing, M ake Recreational Fishing a Crime – Update: Glenn Beck Vide o on Gov’t’s US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zone
OK, ENOUGH is ENOUGH http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2010/03/09/pres-obama-now-wants-to-ban-sports-fishing-make-recreational-fishing-a-crime/ I don't give a damn if you are a republican, democrat or independent. This is far beyond the last straw. Send this to everyone you know that may possibly care, and tell them to send it on. Then everyone contact these jerks and tell them to STUFF IT WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE. Jimi USCG ITWPATWT 100% Vet I don't remember any expiration Date on my Oath to Service... The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him. G.K. Chesterton If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense Alexander Hamilton George Washington didn't use his right to free speech to defeat the British, he shot them! Live free or die fighting!! We are Many, They are Few. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
[VFB] test
I sent a couple messages on Friday and still have not received them. Bruce -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
[VFB] Missing Sowbug
Tony, Brandon and I will both really miss the Sowbug but it cannot be helped this year. It is almost like attending a family reunion every year. Next year we will hopefully be back. Bruce - Original Message - From: Anthony Spezio To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Looking for a hair stacker- Bruce Yes we will. There will be two empty chairs. Tony --- On Fri, 3/5/10, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Looking for a hair stacker- Bruce To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 2:31 PM They will miss you more than a Whittle bit, I'm sure. DR, Buggs- Wuz a Wittle Wyomin' Wabbit - Original Message - From: Bruce P. Whittle, DVM bwhit...@socket.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Looking for a hair stacker Jeff, Unfortunately, I will be unable to attend Sowbug this year due to too many meetings with the state veterinary association. Hopefully next year will ease up a bit. Did you see how long it took for my message from Wednesday to show up to the list! Bruce PS Have fun without me. - Original Message - From: Jeff Frye bighawk...@yahoo.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Looking for a hair stacker Thanks, Bruce. See you at the Sowbug, I hope. - Original Message From: Bruce P. Whittle, DVM bwhit...@socket.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, March 3, 2010 2:49:03 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Looking for a hair stacker Jeff, Try Angler's Workshop 360-225-9445 or anglersworkshop.com. Your stacker is listed in their catalog (seen on their website). I receive their catalog every year and think I ordered once from them at least 6 or 7 years ago. They are located in Washington. Hope this helps. Bruce - Original Message - From: Jeff Frye bighawk...@yahoo.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:25 PM Subject: [VFB] Looking for a hair stacker I have a Stonefly brand hair stacker that I keep in my travel kit. I have a friend that borrowed it and really wants one, but I am not willing to give her mine. It is plastic in a turquoise color with a clear plastic pivoting stacking tube. If you have ever seen Stonefly tying tools, you know the color theme I'm talking about. I found mine a number of years back in a bargain bin at a Cabelas tent sale. After Google searching for this item, it seems that this is a UK product and I can't find it here and she doesn't want to go through the trouble of ordering and shipping one from the UK. If anybody here has any ideas on securing one of these or have one that you want to part with, I would be appreciative. Thanks. -Jayhawk Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group.
Re: [VFB] Looking for a hair stacker- Bruce
Buggs, That is pretty funny. Did you know that DonO was looking for a hare mask last week?? Bruce - Original Message - From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Looking for a hair stacker- Bruce They will miss you more than a Whittle bit, I'm sure. DR, Buggs- Wuz a Wittle Wyomin' Wabbit - Original Message - From: Bruce P. Whittle, DVM bwhit...@socket.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Looking for a hair stacker Jeff, Unfortunately, I will be unable to attend Sowbug this year due to too many meetings with the state veterinary association. Hopefully next year will ease up a bit. Did you see how long it took for my message from Wednesday to show up to the list! Bruce PS Have fun without me. - Original Message - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
[VFB] Hair Stacker
Just my two cents worth. You can take a ChapStick tube and cut the end off and make a very cheap hair stacker. Jerry McKaughan,President Caddis Fly Fishing Club P. O. Box 9104 Russellville, AR 72811 www.caddisflyfishers.org _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Looking for a hair stacker- Bruce
Hi Bruce, Yes I received 3 masks in the mail, the 3rd coming From Alan Di Somma (thanks, got it yesterday). Add that to the picric hare and rabbit from Iain, and a box of colored, blended rabbit I received awhile back (can't remember who sent it- please reply if it was you), I have plenty of wabbit now for tying and demos at shows. Dr. D is going to wear one of the rabbit masks while he is tying, trying to masquerade as Buggs. Veronica says that'll be on par for him, since he's a hare off anyway. She doubts he'll fool anyone, unless there's an real 'Elmer' in the crowd. DonO - Original Message - From: Bruce P. Whittle, DVM bwhit...@socket.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Looking for a hair stacker- Bruce Buggs, That is pretty funny. Did you know that DonO was looking for a hare mask last week?? Bruce - Original Message - From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Looking for a hair stacker- Bruce They will miss you more than a Whittle bit, I'm sure. DR, Buggs- Wuz a Wittle Wyomin' Wabbit - Original Message - From: Bruce P. Whittle, DVM bwhit...@socket.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Looking for a hair stacker Jeff, Unfortunately, I will be unable to attend Sowbug this year due to too many meetings with the state veterinary association. Hopefully next year will ease up a bit. Did you see how long it took for my message from Wednesday to show up to the list! Bruce PS Have fun without me. - Original Message - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Hair Stacker
I needed a very large hair stacker (1.5 dia.) a long time ago to make my tailing 'harvest bundles', which I would tie together at the bases and then just clip tails off of them as I needed them. I've seen lots of others doing the same thing lately. I made my giant hair stackers out of medicine bottles, finding one that would just insert into a larger one. Cut the bottom off of the smaller insert bottle, and there was a giant stacker. I had problems with static electricity, but I solved it by dipping the bottles in water. Jeff's idea of the Bounce sheet would work well. Using smaller med bottles would make nice stackers. I don't use hair any more for tails, as I feel it lacks durability, unless one uses something like moose (which I still like). I prefer now to use the Whiting Coq d'Leon tailing paks, which I can get in many colors and with speckles. I don't have to stack the fibers, as they are already stacked on the feather stem- just tear off and tie (or trim bases for small flies). DonO - Original Message - From: J McK To: Fly Swap Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 9:39 AM Subject: [VFB] Hair Stacker Just my two cents worth. You can take a ChapStick tube and cut the end off and make a very cheap hair stacker. Jerry McKaughan,President Caddis Fly Fishing Club P. O. Box 9104 Russellville, AR 72811 www.caddisflyfishers.org -- Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishin g, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime – Update: Glenn Beck Video on Gov’t’s US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café B log Zone
ESPN Outdoors really framed this thing to get a rise out of sportsmen. I don't think anybody is in the tank with the greenies enough to ban fishing. That said, we can be more civil in our responses. From: Scott Bearden scott.bear...@gmail.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Cc: Jeff Bingaman senator_binga...@bingaman.senate.gov; Desert Eagle j...@hdc-nm.com Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 10:22:47 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishing, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime – Update: Glenn Beck Video on Gov’t’s US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zone Dude, take your tinfoil hat off and read the damn thing before you go spouting off in public like a damn fool. Trout Unlimited has already declared that we should be popping the champagne corks because of what it REALLY does for sportsman conservationists. This was written by a lobbyist and some people will fall for anything. http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/documents/09_17_09_Interim_Report_of_Task_Force_FINAL2.pdf Scott Bearden (Veteran of the United States Marine Corps) On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Desert Eagle j...@hdc-nm.com wrote: OK, ENOUGH is ENOUGH http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2010/03/09/pres-obama-now-wants-to-ban-sports-fishing-make-recreational-fishing-a-crime/ I don't give a damn if you are a republican, democrat or independent. This is far beyond the last straw. Send this to everyone you know that may possibly care, and tell them to send it on. Then everyone contact these jerks and tell them to STUFF IT WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE. Jimi USCG ITWPATWT 100% Vet I don't remember any expiration Date on my Oath to Service... The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him. G.K. Chesterton If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense Alexander Hamilton George Washington didn't use his right to free speech to defeat the British, he shot them! Live free or die fighting!! We are Many, They are Few. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
RE: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishin g, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime - Update: Glenn Beck Vi deo on Gov't's US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zo ne
One should not believe anything written in a blog before checking it out and especially Fox News which is drawing a large following with its anti-Obama stance. Neville (Nev) Gosling Greater Vancouver, B.C. Canada _ From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Frye Sent: March 10, 2010 9:12 AM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishing, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime – Update: Glenn Beck Video on Gov’t’s US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zone ESPN Outdoors really framed this thing to get a rise out of sportsmen. I don't think anybody is in the tank with the greenies enough to ban fishing. That said, we can be more civil in our responses. _ From: Scott Bearden scott.bear...@gmail.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Cc: Jeff Bingaman senator_binga...@bingaman.senate.gov; Desert Eagle j...@hdc-nm.com Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 10:22:47 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishing, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime – Update: Glenn Beck Video on Gov’t’s US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zone Dude, take your tinfoil hat off and read the damn thing before you go spouting off in public like a damn fool. Trout Unlimited has already declared that we should be popping the champagne corks because of what it REALLY does for sportsman conservationists. This was written by a lobbyist and some people will fall for anything. http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/documents/09_17_09_Interim_Report_of_Task_F orce_FINAL2.pdf Scott Bearden (Veteran of the United States Marine Corps) On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Desert Eagle j...@hdc-nm.com wrote: OK, ENOUGH is ENOUGH http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2010 /03/09/pres-obama-now-wants-to-ban-sports-fishing-make-recreational-fishing- a-crime/ I don't give a damn if you are a republican, democrat or independent. This is far beyond the last straw. Send this to everyone you know that may possibly care, and tell them to send it on. Then everyone contact these jerks and tell them to STUFF IT WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE. Jimi USCG ITWPATWT 100% Vet I don't remember any expiration Date on my Oath to Service... The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him. G.K. Chesterton If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense Alexander Hamilton George Washington didn't use his right to free speech to defeat the British, he shot them! Live free or die fighting!! We are Many, They are Few. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishin g, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime - Update: Glenn Beck Vi deo on Gov't's US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zo ne
Now, Now, GANG! Enough politics. OK ! JIMMY D. VFB Moderator Neville Gosling wrote: One should not believe anything written in a blog before checking it out and especially Fox News which is drawing a large following with its anti-Obama stance. Neville (Nev) Gosling Greater Vancouver, B.C. Canada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishin g, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime – Update: Glenn Beck Video on Gov’t’s US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café B log Zone
The ESPN article is THE source for all this misinformation and was written by an angry lobbyist who didn't get to buy their way with the White House. All of the other articles circulating around the internet revolve around this one angry, bitter, guy and honestly I can't see why ESPN doesn't have the journalistic integrity to take it down. Then again, I don't think of ESPN as a serious source for journalism. Having said that, the author doesn't produce any FACTS to back up his assertions and would probably like it better if you don't read the official paper for yourself. If you are a fisherman and a conservationist, this was a huge win for us. It is the commercial fishermen, who this person was lobbying for, that are no longer going to be able to vacuum up and over fish our coastlines. Ironically enough it will be the Coast Guard that will be tasked with the enforcement of this. I left this list before over such nonsense being posted to the list. I don't appreciate it, and there are plenty of other places on the internet where such things are more appropriate to discuss these topics. I think lists like like have an intrinsic value that is damaged when trolls come in and disrupt things for their own amusement. Scott On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Jeff Frye bighawk...@yahoo.com wrote: ESPN Outdoors really framed this thing to get a rise out of sportsmen. I don't think anybody is in the tank with the greenies enough to ban fishing. That said, we can be more civil in our responses. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishin g, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime - Update: Glenn Beck Vi deo on Gov't's US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zo ne
Neville, The problem with political discussions, even ones related to flyfishing, is that people are passionate about their views, are threatened by opposing views, and tend to get un-civil in making statements of facts, opinions, and views of others. Mis-information abounds as a political tactic- it's always been called propaganda in my experience. This is why political discussions were banned by Byard- not so much for content, but for the fact that it leads to flaming and insults. A civil (unemotional) discussion to discern the REAL facts of this legislation would be helpful to all of us, but it seems partisan politics has brought such matters beyond a polite VFB civil discussion, as evidenced. I would like to know, but not at the expense of the camaraderie here. It's a REAL SHAME, too. Because wih the resouces we have here, and for what we have at stake, we could research all avenues apart from the partisan BS and find out what the real facts are. DonO - Original Message - From: Neville Gosling To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:39 AM Subject: RE: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishing, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime - Update: Glenn Beck Video on Gov't's US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zone This is fishing politics including fly fishing! Neville (Nev) Gosling Greater Vancouver, B.C. Canada From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy D. Moore Sent: March 10, 2010 9:26 AM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishing, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime - Update: Glenn Beck Video on Gov't's US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zone Now, Now, GANG! Enough politics. OK ! JIMMY D. VFB Moderator Neville Gosling wrote: One should not believe anything written in a blog before checking it out and especially Fox News which is drawing a large following with its anti-Obama stance. Neville (Nev) Gosling Greater Vancouver, B.C. Canada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishin g, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime - Update: Glenn Beck Vi deo on Gov't's US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zo ne
Scott, You make some very good points, sir. But you shoot yourself in both feet when you digress to flaming. Instead of fousing on some positive points of enlightment, you bash. Instead of asking questions about sources, you name-call. So, istead of enlightenment, we get feuding, bannings, and nowhere. And this is sad. Even if I disagreed with Jimi, I would not call him names and accuse him of being an idiot. Your wisdom was lost to the list because when you point the finger, 3 of them point back at you. That's all that will be remembered, not your insights. DonO - Original Message - From: Scott Bearden To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishing, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime - Update: Glenn Beck Video on Gov't's US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zone The ESPN article is THE source for all this misinformation and was written by an angry lobbyist who didn't get to buy their way with the White House. All of the other articles circulating around the internet revolve around this one angry, bitter, guy and honestly I can't see why ESPN doesn't have the journalistic integrity to take it down. Then again, I don't think of ESPN as a serious source for journalism. Having said that, the author doesn't produce any FACTS to back up his assertions and would probably like it better if you don't read the official paper for yourself. If you are a fisherman and a conservationist, this was a huge win for us. It is the commercial fishermen, who this person was lobbying for, that are no longer going to be able to vacuum up and over fish our coastlines. Ironically enough it will be the Coast Guard that will be tasked with the enforcement of this. I left this list before over such nonsense being posted to the list. I don't appreciate it, and there are plenty of other places on the internet where such things are more appropriate to discuss these topics. I think lists like like have an intrinsic value that is damaged when trolls come in and disrupt things for their own amusement. Scott On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Jeff Frye bighawk...@yahoo.com wrote: ESPN Outdoors really framed this thing to get a rise out of sportsmen. I don't think anybody is in the tank with the greenies enough to ban fishing. That said, we can be more civil in our responses. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
RE: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishin g, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime - Update: Glenn Beck Vi deo on Gov't's US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zo ne
Hi DonO Yes, I am aware of that fact but I'm pissed off for the following reason: 1) This thread was started by Jimi the Desert Eagle urging us to pass on to as many people as possible. 2) Scott Bearden was the first to respond 3) Jeff Frye was next. 4) I was the fourth to respond with nothing rude or classed as a flame at all. 5) Scott Bearden posted another message regarding this. 6) Jimmy D (the Moderator?) responded Now, Now, GANG! Enough politics. OK ! BUT he replied with a copy of my message instead of a general message to everybody. 7) Really P'oed I responded This is fishing politics including fly fishing! It was the way the moderator handled this that pissed me off. 8) I always say it like it is! Neville (Nev) Gosling Greater Vancouver, B.C. Canada _ From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Ordes Sent: March 10, 2010 9:58 AM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishing, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime - Update: Glenn Beck Video on Gov't's US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zone Neville, The problem with political discussions, even ones related to flyfishing, is that people are passionate about their views, are threatened by opposing views, and tend to get un-civil in making statements of facts, opinions, and views of others. Mis-information abounds as a political tactic- it's always been called propaganda in my experience. This is why political discussions were banned by Byard- not so much for content, but for the fact that it leads to flaming and insults. A civil (unemotional) discussion to discern the REAL facts of this legislation would be helpful to all of us, but it seems partisan politics has brought such matters beyond a polite VFB civil discussion, as evidenced. I would like to know, but not at the expense of the camaraderie here. It's a REAL SHAME, too. Because wih the resouces we have here, and for what we have at stake, we could research all avenues apart from the partisan BS and find out what the real facts are. DonO - Original Message - From: Neville mailto:nev.gosl...@shaw.ca Gosling To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:39 AM Subject: RE: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishing, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime - Update: Glenn Beck Video on Gov't's US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zone This is fishing politics including fly fishing! Neville (Nev) Gosling Greater Vancouver, B.C. Canada _ From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy D. Moore Sent: March 10, 2010 9:26 AM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishing, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime - Update: Glenn Beck Video on Gov't's US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zone Now, Now, GANG! Enough politics. OK ! JIMMY D. VFB Moderator Neville Gosling wrote: One should not believe anything written in a blog before checking it out and especially Fox News which is drawing a large following with its anti-Obama stance. Neville (Nev) Gosling Greater Vancouver, B.C. Canada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
[VFB] WOW!
Shack nasties must have hit hard! This is starting to sound like the Flyfish @ University of Kentucky list, which is 98% politics and 2% flyfishing. Back to my cave now. a. -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] WOW!
You remember that! It is why some of us migrated here. On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Shack nasties must have hit hard! This is starting to sound like the Flyfish @ University of Kentucky list, which is 98% politics and 2% flyfishing. Back to my cave now. a. -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- Mike Bliss Aloha from Hawaii -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
[VFB] Re: WOW!
Don, It is 38 pages long, so it is too much to summarize here, but basically if you are a fisherman, or duck hunter for that matter, and live within 100 miles of a coastline, you should be lighting the cigars, popping the champagne, and slapping each other on the backs because for the first time since Teddy Roosevelt the government is siding with hunters and fisherman instead of lobbyist backed corporations. http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/documents/09_17_09_Interim_Report_of_Task_Force_FINAL2.pdf On Mar 10, 1:41 pm, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: I agree with both you and Allen. I also want to keep politics off of the VFB- period. But i would also like to learn if this legislation will affect future casts. End of story. Nothing political. What's in it for us? If we can't fathom this issue out as flyfishers only, we need to re-think ourselves. DonO -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
[VFB] Sorry neville.
Sorry, Neville, my reply should have been off list. Wasn't singling you out. As you know, there were several replies already. JIMMY D Jimmy D. Moore wrote: Now, Now, GANG! Enough politics. OK ! JIMMY D. VFB Moderator Neville Gosling wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- º * JIMMY D. MOORE, ARS WB5RHT,author Moon Holler Misfits Fishing Hunting Club, Member, TOWA, Past VP Guadalupe River Trout Unlimited, North Zone Fishing Editor Emeritus, Texas Fish Game Magazine, VFB FFW Moderator, Scout Exec. BSA, Retired, http://bigtroutman.tripod.com/index.html * º *** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
[VFB] Your'e a big man Jimmy D
Hi Jimmy: Your'e a big man, because even though my feelings were hurt (imagined or otherwise), you had the b---s to apologize, and it takes a big man to do that! Apology accepted. Incidentally, I had not seen your quote for the day before:- Fish are strange creatures. They're even more unpredictable than women - and that's going some. R.V Gadabout Gaddis (1967) so I copied it to my ever growing list of quotes that I refer to when I am looking for a suitable quote to include in my Presiden't Newsletter to my local club. Now, let's get back to business Thank Neville _ From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy D. Moore Sent: March 10, 2010 12:01 PM To: Neville Gosling Cc: Virtual Fly Box Subject: [VFB] Sorry neville. Sorry, Neville, my reply should have been off list. Wasn't singling you out. As you know, there were several replies already. JIMMY D Jimmy D. Moore wrote: Now, Now, GANG! Enough politics. OK ! JIMMY D. VFB Moderator Neville Gosling wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- º * JIMMY D. MOORE, ARS WB5RHT,author Moon Holler Misfits Fishing Hunting Club, Member, TOWA, Past VP Guadalupe River Trout Unlimited, North Zone Fishing Editor Emeritus, Texas Fish Game Magazine, VFB FFW Moderator, Scout Exec. BSA, Retired, http://bigtroutman.tripod.com/index.html * º *** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Re: WOW!
Is the 38 pages on line anywhere to be read? DonO - Original Message - From: Scott Bearden scott.bear...@gmail.com To: VFB Mail vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 12:49 PM Subject: [VFB] Re: WOW! Don, It is 38 pages long, so it is too much to summarize here, but basically if you are a fisherman, or duck hunter for that matter, and live within 100 miles of a coastline, you should be lighting the cigars, popping the champagne, and slapping each other on the backs because for the first time since Teddy Roosevelt the government is siding with hunters and fisherman instead of lobbyist backed corporations. http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/documents/09_17_09_Interim_Report_of_Task_Force_FINAL2.pdf On Mar 10, 1:41 pm, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: I agree with both you and Allen. I also want to keep politics off of the VFB- period. But i would also like to learn if this legislation will affect future casts. End of story. Nothing political. What's in it for us? If we can't fathom this issue out as flyfishers only, we need to re-think ourselves. DonO -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Re: WOW!
Don, Double-Click on the link in his note (the http:// thingie!) a. Is the 38 pages on line anywhere to be read? DonO - Original Message - From: Scott Bearden scott.bear...@gmail.com To: VFB Mail vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 12:49 PM Subject: [VFB] Re: WOW! Don, It is 38 pages long, so it is too much to summarize here, but basically if you are a fisherman, or duck hunter for that matter, and live within 100 miles of a coastline, you should be lighting the cigars, popping the champagne, and slapping each other on the backs because for the first time since Teddy Roosevelt the government is siding with hunters and fisherman instead of lobbyist backed corporations. http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/documents/09_17_09_Interim_Report_of_Task_Force_FINAL2.pdf On Mar 10, 1:41 pm, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: I agree with both you and Allen. I also want to keep politics off of the VFB- period. But i would also like to learn if this legislation will affect future casts. End of story. Nothing political. What's in it for us? If we can't fathom this issue out as flyfishers only, we need to re-think ourselves. DonO -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishin g, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime - Update: Glenn Beck Vi deo on Gov't's US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zo ne
Do a Google search for 'Obama fishing ban hoax' and decide if you think it's even one of them. -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] För Neville Gosling Skickat: den 10 mars 2010 18:40 Till: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Ämne: RE: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishing, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime - Update: Glenn Beck Video on Gov't's US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zone This is fishing politics including fly fishing! Neville (Nev) Gosling Greater Vancouver, B.C. Canada _ From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy D. Moore Sent: March 10, 2010 9:26 AM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishing, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime - Update: Glenn Beck Video on Gov't's US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zone Now, Now, GANG! Enough politics. OK ! JIMMY D. VFB Moderator Neville Gosling wrote: One should not believe anything written in a blog before checking it out and especially Fox News which is drawing a large following with its anti-Obama stance. Neville (Nev) Gosling Greater Vancouver, B.C. Canada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
[VFB] You want scary, read this.
Interim Report Of The Interagency Ocean PolicyTask Force September 10, 2009 http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/documents/09_17_09_Interim_Report_of_Task_Force_FINAL2.pdf A Few excerpts; Climate change is impacting the ocean, our coasts, and the Great Lakes. Increasing water temperatures are altering habitats, migratory patterns, and ecosystem structure and function. Coastal communities are facing sea-level rise, inundation, increased threats from storms, erosion, and significant loss of coastal wetlands. The ocean’s ability to absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere buffers the impacts of climate change, but also causes the ocean to become more acidic, threatening not only the survival of individual species of marine life, but also entire marine ecosystems. The ocean buffers increased global temperatures by absorbing heat, but increasing temperatures are causing sea levels to rise by expanding seawater volume and melting land-based ice. Increased temperatures may eventually reduce the ocean’s ability to absorb carbon dioxide. Conversely, climate change is predicted to lower the water levels of the Great Lakes, thereby altering water cycles, habitats, and economic uses of the lakes. The Administration’s support for accession to the Law of the Sea Convention reflects several important objectives, including strengthening our Nation’s ability to participate in and influence international law and policy related to the ocean. The United States will promote the objectives of this policy by: • Ensuring a comprehensive and collaborative framework for the stewardship of the ocean, our coasts, and the Great Lakes that facilitates cohesive actions across the Federal Government, as well as participation of State, tribal, and local authorities, regional governance structures, non-governmental organizations, the public, and the private sector; • Cooperating and exercising leadership at the international level, including by joining the Law of the Sea Convention; and • Supporting ocean stewardship in a fiscally responsible manner. Or; 1. Healthy and Resilient Ocean, Coasts, and Great Lakes • Protect, maintain, and restore the health and biological diversity of ocean, coastal, and Great Lakes ecosystems and resources; • Improve the resiliency of ocean, coastal, and Great Lakes ecosystems, communities, and economies; • Bolster the conservation and sustainable uses of land in ways that will improve the health of ocean, coastal, and Great Lakes ecosystems; and • Use the best available science and knowledge to inform decisions affecting the ocean, our coasts, and the Great Lakes, and enhance humanity’s capacity to understand, respond, and adapt to a changing global environment. Many of these concerns are attributable not only to activities within marine and Great Lakes ecosystems, but also to actions that take place in our Nation’s interior. For example, our industries, agricultural and transportation operations, cities, and suburbs generate various forms of pollution. Industrial operations emit pollutants, such as nitrogen and mercury, into the atmosphere that often find their way into the ocean and Great Lakes. Rain washes residues, chemicals, and oily runoff from our roadways into our estuaries and coastal waters. Heavy rainfall events can wash sediment, pesticides, and nutrients from our fields, lawns, and agricultural operations into our waters. Urban and suburban development, including the construction of roads, highways, and other infrastructure, as well as modification to rivers and streams, can adversely affect the habitats of aquatic and terrestrial species. by joining the Law of the Sea Convention; America turns over total control of ALL rivers, waterways and coastlines to the UN. Stop this Garbage NOW. Jimi USCG ITWPATWT 100% Vet I don't remember any expiration Date on my Oath to Service... The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him. G.K. Chesterton If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense Alexander Hamilton George Washington didn't use his right to free speech to defeat the British, he shot them! Live free or die fighting!! We are Many, They are Few. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
[VFB] ESPN article
FYI *[image: bowman_steve]**By Steve Bowman Executive Editor ESPNOutdoors.com Archive http://search.espn.go.com/steve-bowman/ * Firestorms get started in a variety of ways, especially on politicized issues. ESPNOutdoors.com inadvertently contributed to a flare-up Tuesday when we posted the latest articlehttp://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/saltwater/news/story?id=4975762in a series of stories on President Barack Obama's newly created Ocean Policy Task Force, a column written by Robert Montgomery, a conservation writer for BASS since 1985. Regrettably, we made several errors in the editing and presentation of this installment. Though our series has included numerous news stories on the topic, this was not one of them -- it was an opinion piece, and should have been clearly labeled as commentary. And while our series overall has examined several sides of the topic, this particular column was not properly balanced and failed to represent contrary points of view. We have reached out to people on every side of the issue and reported their points of view -- if they chose to respond -- throughout the series, but failed to do so in this specific column. This series started in October and has included several updates on how the creation of the task force and its actions could impact recreational anglers. ESPNOutdoors.com should have made it clear to all readers that this was part of a larger series, and -- even though this was Montgomery's opinion, and those of the sources quoted in the column -- we should have taken more care to fairly represent opposing arguments. We do feel it is our duty to cover issues surrounding outdoor sports to the best of our abilities, and given the nature of this task force and the potential impact on all fisherman, this was an appropriate topic to address for our audience. We take seriously the tenets of journalism that require we take an unbiased approach, and when we make mistakes in the presentation of a story or a column, it is our responsibility to admit them. Any confusion on that part rests entirely on my shoulders as the executive editor of this site. We have appended the original column to note that it was in fact a commentary, and we will institute more rigorous editing safeguards in order to prevent such issues in the future. -- Mike Bliss Aloha from Hawaii -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] You want scary, read this.
Jimi, Please explain in greater detail if how the UN will be involved in policy and law-making about my flyfishing. What is the connection with the UN? DonO - Original Message - From: Desert Eagle j...@hdc-nm.com To: Desert Eagle j...@hdc-nm.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 3:51 PM Subject: [VFB] You want scary, read this. Interim Report Of The Interagency Ocean PolicyTask Force September 10, 2009 http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/documents/09_17_09_Interim_Report_of_Task_Force_FINAL2.pdf A Few excerpts; Climate change is impacting the ocean, our coasts, and the Great Lakes. Increasing water temperatures are altering habitats, migratory patterns, and ecosystem structure and function. Coastal communities are facing sea-level rise, inundation, increased threats from storms, erosion, and significant loss of coastal wetlands. The ocean’s ability to absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere buffers the impacts of climate change, but also causes the ocean to become more acidic, threatening not only the survival of individual species of marine life, but also entire marine ecosystems. The ocean buffers increased global temperatures by absorbing heat, but increasing temperatures are causing sea levels to rise by expanding seawater volume and melting land-based ice. Increased temperatures may eventually reduce the ocean’s ability to absorb carbon dioxide. Conversely, climate change is predicted to lower the water levels of the Great Lakes, thereby altering water cycles, habitats, and economic uses of the lakes. The Administration’s support for accession to the Law of the Sea Convention reflects several important objectives, including strengthening our Nation’s ability to participate in and influence international law and policy related to the ocean. The United States will promote the objectives of this policy by: • Ensuring a comprehensive and collaborative framework for the stewardship of the ocean, our coasts, and the Great Lakes that facilitates cohesive actions across the Federal Government, as well as participation of State, tribal, and local authorities, regional governance structures, non-governmental organizations, the public, and the private sector; • Cooperating and exercising leadership at the international level, including by joining the Law of the Sea Convention; and • Supporting ocean stewardship in a fiscally responsible manner. Or; 1. Healthy and Resilient Ocean, Coasts, and Great Lakes • Protect, maintain, and restore the health and biological diversity of ocean, coastal, and Great Lakes ecosystems and resources; • Improve the resiliency of ocean, coastal, and Great Lakes ecosystems, communities, and economies; • Bolster the conservation and sustainable uses of land in ways that will improve the health of ocean, coastal, and Great Lakes ecosystems; and • Use the best available science and knowledge to inform decisions affecting the ocean, our coasts, and the Great Lakes, and enhance humanity’s capacity to understand, respond, and adapt to a changing global environment. Many of these concerns are attributable not only to activities within marine and Great Lakes ecosystems, but also to actions that take place in our Nation’s interior. For example, our industries, agricultural and transportation operations, cities, and suburbs generate various forms of pollution. Industrial operations emit pollutants, such as nitrogen and mercury, into the atmosphere that often find their way into the ocean and Great Lakes. Rain washes residues, chemicals, and oily runoff from our roadways into our estuaries and coastal waters. Heavy rainfall events can wash sediment, pesticides, and nutrients from our fields, lawns, and agricultural operations into our waters. Urban and suburban development, including the construction of roads, highways, and other infrastructure, as well as modification to rivers and streams, can adversely affect the habitats of aquatic and terrestrial species. by joining the Law of the Sea Convention; America turns over total control of ALL rivers, waterways and coastlines to the UN. Stop this Garbage NOW. Jimi USCG ITWPATWT 100% Vet I don't remember any expiration Date on my Oath to Service... The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him. G.K. Chesterton If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense Alexander Hamilton George Washington didn't use his right to free speech to defeat the British, he shot them! Live free or die fighting!! We are Many, They are Few. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at
Re: [VFB] ESPN article
THANKS, Mike! That is exactly what I was hoping for. Now things should be headed into a more logical discussion- sans flames. This guy Bowman has guts and integrity. DonO - Original Message - From: Michael Bliss To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 4:07 PM Subject: [VFB] ESPN article FYI By Steve Bowman Executive Editor ESPNOutdoors.com Archive Firestorms get started in a variety of ways, especially on politicized issues. ESPNOutdoors.com inadvertently contributed to a flare-up Tuesday when we posted the latest article in a series of stories on President Barack Obama's newly created Ocean Policy Task Force, a column written by Robert Montgomery, a conservation writer for BASS since 1985. Regrettably, we made several errors in the editing and presentation of this installment. Though our series has included numerous news stories on the topic, this was not one of them -- it was an opinion piece, and should have been clearly labeled as commentary. And while our series overall has examined several sides of the topic, this particular column was not properly balanced and failed to represent contrary points of view. We have reached out to people on every side of the issue and reported their points of view -- if they chose to respond -- throughout the series, but failed to do so in this specific column. This series started in October and has included several updates on how the creation of the task force and its actions could impact recreational anglers. ESPNOutdoors.com should have made it clear to all readers that this was part of a larger series, and -- even though this was Montgomery's opinion, and those of the sources quoted in the column -- we should have taken more care to fairly represent opposing arguments. We do feel it is our duty to cover issues surrounding outdoor sports to the best of our abilities, and given the nature of this task force and the potential impact on all fisherman, this was an appropriate topic to address for our audience. We take seriously the tenets of journalism that require we take an unbiased approach, and when we make mistakes in the presentation of a story or a column, it is our responsibility to admit them. Any confusion on that part rests entirely on my shoulders as the executive editor of this site. We have appended the original column to note that it was in fact a commentary, and we will institute more rigorous editing safeguards in order to prevent such issues in the future. -- Mike Bliss Aloha from Hawaii -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
[VFB] Here you go Don O
Please note that DOALOS, the UN agency in charge of administering LOST, claims the convention covers all ocean space, including everything on, in, under, and above the oceans. Note also the heavy use of the adjective all, as in all uses, all resources, all activities. But wait; as we shall see, the claims go even far beyond this to include global regulations that will override domestic laws covering not only coastal waters and shorelines, but also human activities in rivers and inland waterways, and land-based activities that may be claimed — no matter how far-fetched — to be harming the marine environment. http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/election/801 Jimi, Please explain in greater detail if how the UN will be involved in policy and law-making about my flyfishing. What is the connection with the UN? DonO - Original Message - From: Desert Eagle j...@hdc-nm.com To: Desert Eagle j...@hdc-nm.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 3:51 PM Subject: [VFB] You want scary, read this. Interim Report Of The Interagency Ocean PolicyTask Force September 10, 2009 http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/documents/09_17_09_Interim_Report_of_Task_Force_FINAL2.pdf A Few excerpts; Climate change is impacting the ocean, our coasts, and the Great Lakes. Increasing water temperatures are altering habitats, migratory patterns, and ecosystem structure and function. Coastal communities are facing sea-level rise, inundation, increased threats from storms, erosion, and significant loss of coastal wetlands. The ocean’s ability to absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere buffers the impacts of climate change, but also causes the ocean to become more acidic, threatening not only the survival of individual species of marine life, but also entire marine ecosystems. The ocean buffers increased global temperatures by absorbing heat, but increasing temperatures are causing sea levels to rise by expanding seawater volume and melting land-based ice. Increased temperatures may eventually reduce the ocean’s ability to absorb carbon dioxide. Conversely, climate change is predicted to lower the water levels of the Great Lakes, thereby altering water cycles, habitats, and economic uses of the lakes. The Administration’s support for accession to the Law of the Sea Convention reflects several important objectives, including strengthening our Nation’s ability to participate in and influence international law and policy related to the ocean. The United States will promote the objectives of this policy by: • Ensuring a comprehensive and collaborative framework for the stewardship of the ocean, our coasts, and the Great Lakes that facilitates cohesive actions across the Federal Government, as well as participation of State, tribal, and local authorities, regional governance structures, non-governmental organizations, the public, and the private sector; • Cooperating and exercising leadership at the international level, including by joining the Law of the Sea Convention; and • Supporting ocean stewardship in a fiscally responsible manner. Or; 1. Healthy and Resilient Ocean, Coasts, and Great Lakes • Protect, maintain, and restore the health and biological diversity of ocean, coastal, and Great Lakes ecosystems and resources; • Improve the resiliency of ocean, coastal, and Great Lakes ecosystems, communities, and economies; • Bolster the conservation and sustainable uses of land in ways that will improve the health of ocean, coastal, and Great Lakes ecosystems; and • Use the best available science and knowledge to inform decisions affecting the ocean, our coasts, and the Great Lakes, and enhance humanity’s capacity to understand, respond, and adapt to a changing global environment. Many of these concerns are attributable not only to activities within marine and Great Lakes ecosystems, but also to actions that take place in our Nation’s interior. For example, our industries, agricultural and transportation operations, cities, and suburbs generate various forms of pollution. Industrial operations emit pollutants, such as nitrogen and mercury, into the atmosphere that often find their way into the ocean and Great Lakes. Rain washes residues, chemicals, and oily runoff from our roadways into our estuaries and coastal waters. Heavy rainfall events can wash sediment, pesticides, and nutrients from our fields, lawns, and agricultural operations into our waters. Urban and suburban development, including the construction of roads, highways, and other infrastructure, as well as modification to rivers and streams, can adversely affect the habitats of aquatic and terrestrial species. by joining the Law of the Sea Convention; America turns over total control of ALL rivers, waterways and coastlines to the UN. Stop this Garbage NOW. Jimi USCG ITWPATWT 100% Vet I don't remember any expiration Date on my Oath to Service... The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what
[VFB] Public input period for federal fishery strategy has ended - ESPN
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RE: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishin g, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime - Update: Glenn Beck Vi deo on Gov't's US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zo ne
Both of my children are left handed but my ex-wife and myself are right handed . I use my dominant right hand to hold the rod and to cast and my left for the reel. No change of hands. I think this goes back to the the spinning reels of the 1950's when it was difficult to get right hand wind. Neville (Nev) Gosling Greater Vancouver, B.C. Canada From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of The Smiths Sent: March 10, 2010 3:48 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishing, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime - Update: Glenn Beck Video on Gov't's US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zone there are a few of us around. We just fish the other bank better - Original Message - From: Neville mailto:nev.gosl...@shaw.ca Gosling To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 4:42 PM Subject: RE: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishing, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime - Update: Glenn Beck Video on Gov't's US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zone He's left handed! A southpaw. Neville (Nev) Gosling Greater Vancouver, B.C. Canada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Here you go Don O
Seriously dude, there isn't going to be a UN take over of our water ways. But since you are willing to buy that I have this lovely bridge for sale... Scott On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Desert Eagle j...@hdc-nm.com wrote: Please note that DOALOS, the UN agency in charge of administering LOST, claims the convention covers all ocean space, including everything on, in, under, and above the oceans. Note also the heavy use of the adjective all, as in all uses, all resources, all activities. But wait; as we shall see, the claims go even far beyond this to include global regulations that will override domestic laws covering not only coastal waters and shorelines, but also human activities in rivers and inland waterways, and land-based activities that may be claimed — no matter how far-fetched — to be harming the marine environment. http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/election/801 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
RE: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishin g, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime - Update: Glenn Beck Vi deo on Gov't's US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zo ne
The task force stopped taking public input so it could finish its' report. There are NO current proposals to restrict commercial or recreational fishing. I'm proud to say that I'm neither a Democrat nor a Republican. I AM an outdoorsman, a conservationist particularly a fisherman I pay very close to both State Federal legislation. J -Original Message- From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Desert Eagle Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:12 AM To: Jeff Bingaman; Desert Eagle Subject: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishing, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime – Update: Glenn Beck Video on Gov’t’s US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zone OK, ENOUGH is ENOUGH http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2010 /03/09/pres-obama-now-wants-to-ban-sports-fishing-make-recreational-fishing- a-crime/ I don't give a damn if you are a republican, democrat or independent. This is far beyond the last straw. Send this to everyone you know that may possibly care, and tell them to send it on. Then everyone contact these jerks and tell them to STUFF IT WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE. Jimi USCG ITWPATWT 100% Vet I don't remember any expiration Date on my Oath to Service... The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him. G.K. Chesterton If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense Alexander Hamilton George Washington didn't use his right to free speech to defeat the British, he shot them! Live free or die fighting!! We are Many, They are Few. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishin g, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime - Update: Glenn Beck Vi deo on Gov't's US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zo ne
MeddelandeI never understood why anyone would switch the rod to their weaker hand to fight the fish with unless they were handicapping themselves too give the fish a break. Gary S. . - Original Message - From: Neville Gosling To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 7:16 PM Subject: RE: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishing, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime - Update: Glenn Beck Video on Gov't's US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zone Both of my children are left handed but my ex-wife and myself are right handed . I use my dominant right hand to hold the rod and to cast and my left for the reel. No change of hands. I think this goes back to the the spinning reels of the 1950's when it was difficult to get right hand wind. Neville (Nev) Gosling Greater Vancouver, B.C. Canada From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of The Smiths Sent: March 10, 2010 3:48 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishing, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime - Update: Glenn Beck Video on Gov't's US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zone there are a few of us around. We just fish the other bank better - Original Message - From: Neville Gosling To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 4:42 PM Subject: RE: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishing, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime - Update: Glenn Beck Video on Gov't's US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zone He's left handed! A southpaw. Neville (Nev) Gosling Greater Vancouver, B.C. Canada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishin g, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime - Update: Glenn Beck Vi deo on Gov't's US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zo ne
Everyone that takes office is said to be trying to ban fishing and it never seems to happen. Who starts this stuff and when the time ever comes that the Whitehouse would ever try to close down a multi billion dollar income i think they wouldn't need us to put a stop to it. The guys with the big bucks will do it for us don't you think? - Original Message - From: J Balmer jbal...@a5.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:34 PM Subject: RE: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishing, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime - Update: Glenn Beck Video on Gov't's US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zone The task force stopped taking public input so it could finish its' report. There are NO current proposals to restrict commercial or recreational fishing. I'm proud to say that I'm neither a Democrat nor a Republican. I AM an outdoorsman, a conservationist particularly a fisherman I pay very close to both State Federal legislation. J -Original Message- From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Desert Eagle Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:12 AM To: Jeff Bingaman; Desert Eagle Subject: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishing, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime – Update: Glenn Beck Video on Gov’t’s US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zone OK, ENOUGH is ENOUGH http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2010 /03/09/pres-obama-now-wants-to-ban-sports-fishing-make-recreational-fishing- a-crime/ I don't give a damn if you are a republican, democrat or independent. This is far beyond the last straw. Send this to everyone you know that may possibly care, and tell them to send it on. Then everyone contact these jerks and tell them to STUFF IT WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE. Jimi USCG ITWPATWT 100% Vet I don't remember any expiration Date on my Oath to Service... The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him. G.K. Chesterton If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense Alexander Hamilton George Washington didn't use his right to free speech to defeat the British, he shot them! Live free or die fighting!! We are Many, They are Few. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
RE: [VFB] Here you go Don O
Please read both paragraphs. The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), also called the Law of the Sea Convention or the Law of the Sea treaty, is the international agreement that resulted from the third United Nations Conference on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS III), which took place from 1973 through 1982. The Law of the Sea Convention defines the rights and responsibilities of nations in their use of the world's oceans, establishing guidelines for businesses, the environment, and the management of marine natural resources. The Convention, concluded in 1982, replaced four 1958 treaties. UNCLOS came into force in 1994, a year after Guyana became the 60th state to sign the treaty.[1] To date, 158 countries and the European Community have joined in the Convention. However, it is now regarded as a codification of the customary international law on the issue. While the Secretary General of the United Nations receives instruments of ratification and accession and the UN provides support for meetings of states party to the Convention, the UN has no direct operational role in the implementation of the Convention. J -Original Message- From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Desert Eagle Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 5:26 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: [VFB] Here you go Don O Please note that DOALOS, the UN agency in charge of administering LOST, claims the convention covers all ocean space, including everything on, in, under, and above the oceans. Note also the heavy use of the adjective all, as in all uses, all resources, all activities. But wait; as we shall see, the claims go even far beyond this to include global regulations that will override domestic laws covering not only coastal waters and shorelines, but also human activities in rivers and inland waterways, and land-based activities that may be claimed - no matter how far-fetched - to be harming the marine environment. http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/election/801 Jimi, Please explain in greater detail if how the UN will be involved in policy and law-making about my flyfishing. What is the connection with the UN? DonO - Original Message - From: Desert Eagle j...@hdc-nm.com To: Desert Eagle j...@hdc-nm.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 3:51 PM Subject: [VFB] You want scary, read this. Interim Report Of The Interagency Ocean PolicyTask Force September 10, 2009 http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/documents/09_17_09_Interim_Report_of_Task_F orce_FINAL2.pdf A Few excerpts; Climate change is impacting the ocean, our coasts, and the Great Lakes. Increasing water temperatures are altering habitats, migratory patterns, and ecosystem structure and function. Coastal communities are facing sea-level rise, inundation, increased threats from storms, erosion, and significant loss of coastal wetlands. The ocean's ability to absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere buffers the impacts of climate change, but also causes the ocean to become more acidic, threatening not only the survival of individual species of marine life, but also entire marine ecosystems. The ocean buffers increased global temperatures by absorbing heat, but increasing temperatures are causing sea levels to rise by expanding seawater volume and melting land-based ice. Increased temperatures may eventually reduce the ocean's ability to absorb carbon dioxide. Conversely, climate change is predicted to lower the water levels of the Great Lakes, thereby altering water cycles, habitats, and economic uses of the lakes. The Administration's support for accession to the Law of the Sea Convention reflects several important objectives, including strengthening our Nation's ability to participate in and influence international law and policy related to the ocean. The United States will promote the objectives of this policy by: . Ensuring a comprehensive and collaborative framework for the stewardship of the ocean, our coasts, and the Great Lakes that facilitates cohesive actions across the Federal Government, as well as participation of State, tribal, and local authorities, regional governance structures, non-governmental organizations, the public, and the private sector; . Cooperating and exercising leadership at the international level, including by joining the Law of the Sea Convention; and . Supporting ocean stewardship in a fiscally responsible manner. Or; 1. Healthy and Resilient Ocean, Coasts, and Great Lakes . Protect, maintain, and restore the health and biological diversity of ocean, coastal, and Great Lakes ecosystems and resources; . Improve the resiliency of ocean, coastal, and Great Lakes ecosystems, communities, and economies; . Bolster the conservation and sustainable uses of land in ways that will improve the health of ocean, coastal, and Great Lakes ecosystems; and . Use the best available science and knowledge to inform decisions affecting the ocean, our coasts,
Re: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishin g, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime - Update: Glenn Beck Vi deo on Gov't's US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zo ne
Who starts this stuff? Rubes. Just imagine that this country has so many other things that need to be fixed and the White House stops everything to outlaw fishing. It is patently absurd. I have heard more convincing stories of Big Foot sightings and alien abductions. My apologies to Big Foot and those who were harmed by the little green men. On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Bill wsparr...@cox.net wrote: Everyone that takes office is said to be trying to ban fishing and it never seems to happen. Who starts this stuff and when the time ever comes that the Whitehouse would ever try to close down a multi billion dollar income i think they wouldn't need us to put a stop to it. The guys with the big bucks will do it for us don't you think? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Here you go Don O
I still side with Buggs- I don't feel any more threatened than ususal. Defining the rights and responsibilities of water use is a real task, as everyone will see it differently. Politicians can try to manage the people whom they feel are affecting the oceans in what they decide are detrimental ways. That's what politics is all about. But defining threats and dealing with them is a can of worms and a Pandora's box at best, especially on an international scale. And establishing guidelines for businesses, the environment, and the management of marine resources equally on an international basis would be basically ignored by most countries. What I do forsee, however, is 'power and money' doing whatever they can to 'guide the guidelines' in their favor, even if it takes buying off a few politicians (like that's new). DonO - Original Message - From: J Balmer jbal...@a5.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 8:51 PM Subject: RE: [VFB] Here you go Don O Please read both paragraphs. The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), also called the Law of the Sea Convention or the Law of the Sea treaty, is the international agreement that resulted from the third United Nations Conference on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS III), which took place from 1973 through 1982. The Law of the Sea Convention defines the rights and responsibilities of nations in their use of the world's oceans, establishing guidelines for businesses, the environment, and the management of marine natural resources. The Convention, concluded in 1982, replaced four 1958 treaties. UNCLOS came into force in 1994, a year after Guyana became the 60th state to sign the treaty.[1] To date, 158 countries and the European Community have joined in the Convention. However, it is now regarded as a codification of the customary international law on the issue. While the Secretary General of the United Nations receives instruments of ratification and accession and the UN provides support for meetings of states party to the Convention, the UN has no direct operational role in the implementation of the Convention. J -Original Message- From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Desert Eagle Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 5:26 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: [VFB] Here you go Don O Please note that DOALOS, the UN agency in charge of administering LOST, claims the convention covers all ocean space, including everything on, in, under, and above the oceans. Note also the heavy use of the adjective all, as in all uses, all resources, all activities. But wait; as we shall see, the claims go even far beyond this to include global regulations that will override domestic laws covering not only coastal waters and shorelines, but also human activities in rivers and inland waterways, and land-based activities that may be claimed - no matter how far-fetched - to be harming the marine environment. http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/election/801 Jimi, Please explain in greater detail if how the UN will be involved in policy and law-making about my flyfishing. What is the connection with the UN? DonO - Original Message - From: Desert Eagle j...@hdc-nm.com To: Desert Eagle j...@hdc-nm.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 3:51 PM Subject: [VFB] You want scary, read this. Interim Report Of The Interagency Ocean PolicyTask Force September 10, 2009 http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/documents/09_17_09_Interim_Report_of_Task_F orce_FINAL2.pdf A Few excerpts; Climate change is impacting the ocean, our coasts, and the Great Lakes. Increasing water temperatures are altering habitats, migratory patterns, and ecosystem structure and function. Coastal communities are facing sea-level rise, inundation, increased threats from storms, erosion, and significant loss of coastal wetlands. The ocean's ability to absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere buffers the impacts of climate change, but also causes the ocean to become more acidic, threatening not only the survival of individual species of marine life, but also entire marine ecosystems. The ocean buffers increased global temperatures by absorbing heat, but increasing temperatures are causing sea levels to rise by expanding seawater volume and melting land-based ice. Increased temperatures may eventually reduce the ocean's ability to absorb carbon dioxide. Conversely, climate change is predicted to lower the water levels of the Great Lakes, thereby altering water cycles, habitats, and economic uses of the lakes. The Administration's support for accession to the Law of the Sea Convention reflects several important objectives, including strengthening our Nation's ability to participate in and influence international law and policy related to the ocean. The United States will promote the objectives of this policy by: . Ensuring a comprehensive and collaborative
[VFB] Fur/Hair Swap Final Call
Ok so I have extended the date to the 15th of March and we are coing up on it so this is the last and final call for the for the swap i have lost all personal emails so this is the only way i can send this i still havent gotten flies from certain people so let me know if you are sending yours or 1: Patrick Harnish= Mayan Warrior =done 2: Jim Phillips= ok first one in =recieved and looking very good 3: Jerry McKaughan= Ozarkslick=recieved 4: Rene Zillman=recieved 5: Iain Short= recieved 6: Mark Romero=Dropped out 7: Dail Graham=recieved 8: Chuck Alexander= 9: Peter Gramp 10don Orders=buffalo stoneflies 11:Jack Lehman 12eggy Brenner=recieved 13:Buggs- picric hare's ears 14:walter 15:Reuven Segal 16:J. B. 17:Kevin 18: given to charity at the local food bank for auction if your dropping out these are the ones that i have so altogether its 10 so far so let me know pls and thank you everybody for paticapating Patrick Harnish Myrtle Creek Oregon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Fur/Hair Swap Final Call
Mine and Buggs' went out in the mail yesterday. - Original Message - From: mystikalra...@frontiernet.net To: vfb-mail vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:12 PM Subject: [VFB] Fur/Hair Swap Final Call Ok so I have extended the date to the 15th of March and we are coing up on it so this is the last and final call for the for the swap i have lost all personal emails so this is the only way i can send this i still havent gotten flies from certain people so let me know if you are sending yours or 1: Patrick Harnish= Mayan Warrior =done 2: Jim Phillips= ok first one in =recieved and looking very good 3: Jerry McKaughan= Ozarkslick=recieved 4: Rene Zillman=recieved 5: Iain Short= recieved 6: Mark Romero=Dropped out 7: Dail Graham=recieved 8: Chuck Alexander= 9: Peter Gramp 10don Orders=buffalo stoneflies 11:Jack Lehman 12eggy Brenner=recieved 13:Buggs- picric hare's ears 14:walter 15:Reuven Segal 16:J. B. 17:Kevin 18: given to charity at the local food bank for auction if your dropping out these are the ones that i have so altogether its 10 so far so let me know pls and thank you everybody for paticapating Patrick Harnish Myrtle Creek Oregon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishin g, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime - Update: Glenn Beck Vi deo on Gov't's US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zo ne
Here you go again. Rube: Someone who is not very intelligent or interested in culture according to google. ...some synonyms are yokel, hick, yahoo, hayseed, and bumpkin. Your point is well-received, but tainted. Why can't you just give your points without the name-calling? EVEN IF it were justified, you still lower yourself and your viewpoint to less than the ruble level by being a 'name-caller'. Save it for your rallies- this is the VFB. Obviously you meant to offend, as apologies to Bigfoot and little green men defined who you meant. Not to be religious, but Jesus was considered a 'rube' in his day by his own people's leaders. Yes, there are much bigger problems to tackle than banning fishing. One of them is people treating others decently, as we would like to be treated, or isn't the 'golden rule' applicable any more? DonO - Original Message - From: Scott Bearden To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Pres. Obama Now Wants to Ban Sports Fishing, Make Recreational Fishing a Crime - Update: Glenn Beck Video on Gov't's US Water Grab Efforts « Frugal Café Blog Zone Who starts this stuff? Rubes. Just imagine that this country has so many other things that need to be fixed and the White House stops everything to outlaw fishing. It is patently absurd. I have heard more convincing stories of Big Foot sightings and alien abductions. My apologies to Big Foot and those who were harmed by the little green men. On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Bill wsparr...@cox.net wrote: Everyone that takes office is said to be trying to ban fishing and it never seems to happen. Who starts this stuff and when the time ever comes that the Whitehouse would ever try to close down a multi billion dollar income i think they wouldn't need us to put a stop to it. The guys with the big bucks will do it for us don't you think? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
