RE: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ???
I haven't dyed much because most of the colors I use are readily available most of my tying is for personal use the occasional swap. For grizzly I've used RIT that my girlfriend used for basket weaving reed w/ the addition of vinegar in a couple of cases I used the markers I have for thread. I rarely use colored thread anymore, I use white (or mono for rope dubbing) color the thread w/ markers. The Rit worked well, although in a case or two I had to dip twice the markers worked for colors that weren't available in a dye. J -Original Message- From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jerryp...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 10:22 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ??? Chuck: I've only dyed grizzly hackle one time. I had several grizzly saddles of various quality where I had used up most of the good dry fly hackle and had found an old Ukrainian Easter Egg kit my grandmother had used to make the eggs. There were several packets of dye left including black. So I followed the directions which included adding vinegar to the mix and came out with some decent grizzly hackles, dark green, yellow, orange, red, purple and black. The grizzly dyed black came out all black, you can see the grizzly pattern, I think because the dyed black part is a bit glossier and maybe a bit darker than the dyed white portion. Go for it. Jerry Caruso All things considered I'd rather be in Philadelphia. - Original Message - Folks: Can anybody give me the “secret” to dying feathers (and/or fabric) with Rit dye?? What happened is that my son had some dark purple demin material he wanted dyed black. He added TWO boxes of Rit dye to the three gallons or so of water as he had four yards of material to dye. Adde the salt but not the vinegar as it said to only use the vinegar with salt if the material is silk or wool and not cotton. Brought the water to a boil, then let it soak all day. Still just came out a darker purple and NIT jet black like the dye is. Now is my problem in that. He saved the water as I have a ton of grizzly feathers, but hardly any black, so I was just going to sye a grizzly neck in that same dye water mix after he finished. But I don’t want the grizzly to go from black and white, to purple ad white. Any tips?? Should I add vinegar?? Thanks, Chuck -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[VFB] Dyeing feathers
Hi, I just bought the AKL Best book on dyeing this summer. Let me know if I can help. Mike -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [VFB] Dyeing feathers
Mike: That would be great since that book runs from $30-80+ LOL..I just want to know how he recommends to dye hackle feathers with?? I have been reading online and it says Rit or other “acid dyes”, Kool aid (LOTS of sites do that, but I need jet black and I don’t think Kool Aid makes that), Hair dye like Wes had said mostly, but A.K. Best seems to know what he really knows talking about in the book reviews I read on Amazon. Thanks, Chuck From: Michael Elkavitch Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 11:55 AM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: [VFB] Dyeing feathers Hi, I just bought the AKL Best book on dyeing this summer. Let me know if I can help. Mike -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3495 / Virus Database: 4189/8595 - Release Date: 11/19/14 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ???
I hadn't thought about the permanent markers, but I have those in all colors of the rainbow. Thanks, Chuck -Original Message- From: J Balmer Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:18 AM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ??? I haven't dyed much because most of the colors I use are readily available most of my tying is for personal use the occasional swap. For grizzly I've used RIT that my girlfriend used for basket weaving reed w/ the addition of vinegar in a couple of cases I used the markers I have for thread. I rarely use colored thread anymore, I use white (or mono for rope dubbing) color the thread w/ markers. The Rit worked well, although in a case or two I had to dip twice the markers worked for colors that weren't available in a dye. J -Original Message- From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jerryp...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 10:22 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ??? Chuck: I've only dyed grizzly hackle one time. I had several grizzly saddles of various quality where I had used up most of the good dry fly hackle and had found an old Ukrainian Easter Egg kit my grandmother had used to make the eggs. There were several packets of dye left including black. So I followed the directions which included adding vinegar to the mix and came out with some decent grizzly hackles, dark green, yellow, orange, red, purple and black. The grizzly dyed black came out all black, you can see the grizzly pattern, I think because the dyed black part is a bit glossier and maybe a bit darker than the dyed white portion. Go for it. Jerry Caruso All things considered I'd rather be in Philadelphia. - Original Message - Folks: Can anybody give me the “secret” to dying feathers (and/or fabric) with Rit dye?? What happened is that my son had some dark purple demin material he wanted dyed black. He added TWO boxes of Rit dye to the three gallons or so of water as he had four yards of material to dye. Adde the salt but not the vinegar as it said to only use the vinegar with salt if the material is silk or wool and not cotton. Brought the water to a boil, then let it soak all day. Still just came out a darker purple and NIT jet black like the dye is. Now is my problem in that. He saved the water as I have a ton of grizzly feathers, but hardly any black, so I was just going to sye a grizzly neck in that same dye water mix after he finished. But I don’t want the grizzly to go from black and white, to purple ad white. Any tips?? Should I add vinegar?? Thanks, Chuck -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3495 / Virus Database: 4189/8595 - Release Date: 11/19/14 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to
Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ???
Jerry: Thanks. I bet my daughter has some of those dye tablet left over. And if she don't have black I guess I could try it the way my printer makes black using the red, blue and yellow mixed to make black. But I'll bet that type dye would be about the same thing as the dyes in Kool Aid (food grade dyes) with the vinegar added to set the colors. Anyway, I guess I could try just a few feathers and see what happens. Maybe I should just break down and tell my wife I want a black hackle neck for an early Christmas gift. I HAVE been a good little boy this year after all LOL.. When I'm asleep at least hahaha. At least all the great tips are giving me a lot of options to try to see what works best for me. I think I have a light cream colored neck that might come out better than my idea of starting with a grizzly neck anyway. Thanks again, Chuck -Original Message- From: jerryp...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 10:22 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ??? Chuck: I've only dyed grizzly hackle one time. I had several grizzly saddles of various quality where I had used up most of the good dry fly hackle and had found an old Ukrainian Easter Egg kit my grandmother had used to make the eggs. There were several packets of dye left including black. So I followed the directions which included adding vinegar to the mix and came out with some decent grizzly hackles, dark green, yellow, orange, red, purple and black. The grizzly dyed black came out all black, you can see the grizzly pattern, I think because the dyed black part is a bit glossier and maybe a bit darker than the dyed white portion. Go for it. Jerry Caruso All things considered I'd rather be in Philadelphia. - Original Message - Folks: Can anybody give me the “secret” to dying feathers (and/or fabric) with Rit dye?? What happened is that my son had some dark purple demin material he wanted dyed black. He added TWO boxes of Rit dye to the three gallons or so of water as he had four yards of material to dye. Adde the salt but not the vinegar as it said to only use the vinegar with salt if the material is silk or wool and not cotton. Brought the water to a boil, then let it soak all day. Still just came out a darker purple and NIT jet black like the dye is. Now is my problem in that. He saved the water as I have a ton of grizzly feathers, but hardly any black, so I was just going to sye a grizzly neck in that same dye water mix after he finished. But I don’t want the grizzly to go from black and white, to purple ad white. Any tips?? Should I add vinegar?? Thanks, Chuck -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ???
Wes: I thought that might be the case, but wasn’t possible. Gotta have the government protecting us from ourselves in EVERY aspect of our lives ..That does seem like a waste at what they through out, but I guess they wouldn’t stay in business very long of black was “black” one day and “dark purple” the next. Chuck From: Wes Wada Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 3:56 PM To: VFB Mail Subject: Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ??? Just a note: I had some time last fall to spend a couple days at the Spirit River plant and warehouses in Glide, Oregon. The Spirit River dyeing plant is overseen by the EPA, as their dyeing process uses chemicals that are not available to most people. Every step is monitored by the EPA. We are talking hazardous stuff here. That's why it is so hard for the every day fly tier to get dependable results that match the store-bought dyed products. What was amazing is the quantity of feathers they go through to maintain stock. The most difficult thing is to match the colors in the official company color charts. I came home with two gallon volume worth of mis-dyed marabou in all sorts of colors. Literally stuff put into the waste bin from the tying room operation because it did not match the color on the quality control patches. Dyeing results and colors will differ according to how much oil the material has in its feathers or fur, the age of the pelt, or what portion of the hide (back, belly, side) is being used to dye. All these variables is why most fly tiers do not get consistent results while dyeing. Wes On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@centurylink.net wrote: Thanks a lot. I love anything by A. K. Best anyway, and didn’t even know he had this book. Chuck From: aflyt...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 1:27 PM To: mail, vfb Subject: Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ??? Chuck Get a copy of A.K. Best's book DYING BLEACHING Natural fly-tying materials. Feathers and cotton do not dye the same way. Best has full instructions and will take you through it step by step. Gary s -- Folks: Can anybody give me the “secret” to dying feathers (and/or fabric) with Rit dye?? What happened is that my son had some dark purple demin material he wanted dyed black. He added TWO boxes of Rit dye to the three gallons or so of water as he had four yards of material to dye. Adde the salt but not the vinegar as it said to only use the vinegar with salt if the material is silk or wool and not cotton. Brought the water to a boil, then let it soak all day. Still just came out a darker purple and NIT jet black like the dye is. Now is my problem in that. He saved the water as I have a ton of grizzly feathers, but hardly any black, so I was just going to sye a grizzly neck in that same dye water mix after he finished. But I don’t want the grizzly to go from black and white, to purple ad white. Any tips?? Should I add vinegar?? Thanks, Chuck -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group.
Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ???
Chuck: The dyes in that kit are not the same as Kool Aid unless you're thinking Jonestown or the dyes you see in the stores around Easter time. In the instructions that came with the kit in large letters is Do not eat any egg treated with these dyes I've thought about picking up a couple of packs of the people friendly Easter egg dyes in the $Store after Easter. Good Luck. Just remember that a black hackle neck is not a black grizzly hackle neck. Jerry C All things considered I'd rather be in Philadelphia. - Original Message - Jerry: Thanks. I bet my daughter has some of those dye tablet left over. And if she don't have black I guess I could try it the way my printer makes black using the red, blue and yellow mixed to make black. But I'll bet that type dye would be about the same thing as the dyes in Kool Aid (food grade dyes) with the vinegar added to set the colors. Anyway, I guess I could try just a few feathers and see what happens. Maybe I should just break down and tell my wife I want a black hackle neck for an early Christmas gift. I HAVE been a good little boy this year after all LOL.. When I'm asleep at least hahaha. At least all the great tips are giving me a lot of options to try to see what works best for me. I think I have a light cream colored neck that might come out better than my idea of starting with a grizzly neck anyway. Thanks again, Chuck -Original Message- From: jerryp...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 10:22 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ??? Chuck: I've only dyed grizzly hackle one time. I had several grizzly saddles of various quality where I had used up most of the good dry fly hackle and had found an old Ukrainian Easter Egg kit my grandmother had used to make the eggs. There were several packets of dye left including black. So I followed the directions which included adding vinegar to the mix and came out with some decent grizzly hackles, dark green, yellow, orange, red, purple and black. The grizzly dyed black came out all black, you can see the grizzly pattern, I think because the dyed black part is a bit glossier and maybe a bit darker than the dyed white portion. Go for it. Jerry Caruso All things considered I'd rather be in Philadelphia. - Original Message - Folks: Can anybody give me the “secret” to dying feathers (and/or fabric) with Rit dye?? What happened is that my son had some dark purple demin material he wanted dyed black. He added TWO boxes of Rit dye to the three gallons or so of water as he had four yards of material to dye. Adde the salt but not the vinegar as it said to only use the vinegar with salt if the material is silk or wool and not cotton. Brought the water to a boil, then let it soak all day. Still just came out a darker purple and NIT jet black like the dye is. Now is my problem in that. He saved the water as I have a ton of grizzly feathers, but hardly any black, so I was just going to sye a grizzly neck in that same dye water mix after he finished. But I don’t want the grizzly to go from black and white, to purple ad white. Any tips?? Should I add vinegar?? Thanks, Chuck -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are
Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ???
Chuck I used to dye a lot of materials, both fur, feathers as wellas natural and some synthetic yarns. The first step is to be sure the material to be dyed is clean and free of grease and oils. I used to use dish washing soap.Be sure to rinse the soap completely away. Temperature control is critical because if you get the dye solution to hot you can cook the hair right off the hide or ruin a nice cape. I tryed to keep my dye bath at at 125 degrees. I have used tintex, rit, dylon and veniard dye. They all had pluses and minuses. With all types black was the most difficult to dye. I found you needed to mix the black dye bath 2 to 4 times stronger than recomended. I always used vinegar to set the dye. With black and some of the other more difficult colors I would not add the vinegar until I had achieved, close to the color saturation I required. I recommend only dying a small amounts to start with. I have many friends who ruined a lot of materials because they went at it like a commercial opperation. Keep notes on anything you try. I do not dye many materials these days as it seems everything is available commercially, much easier to buy the finished material. Regards Mel Hocken - Original Message - From: Chuck Alexander To: fly fishing for panfish ; vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 11:21 AM Subject: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ??? Folks: Can anybody give me the “secret” to dying feathers (and/or fabric) with Rit dye?? What happened is that my son had some dark purple demin material he wanted dyed black. He added TWO boxes of Rit dye to the three gallons or so of water as he had four yards of material to dye. Adde the salt but not the vinegar as it said to only use the vinegar with salt if the material is silk or wool and not cotton. Brought the water to a boil, then let it soak all day. Still just came out a darker purple and NIT jet black like the dye is. Now is my problem in that. He saved the water as I have a ton of grizzly feathers, but hardly any black, so I was just going to sye a grizzly neck in that same dye water mix after he finished. But I don’t want the grizzly to go from black and white, to purple ad white. Any tips?? Should I add vinegar?? Thanks, Chuck -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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May I suggest, before you have done the dyeing, etc. that you may want to just keep the grizzly hackle without dyeing it and go to Lakelandflytying.com in the UK and just buy one of their Whiting saddles or necks in the color you want. They have the best dyed feathers I have ever had the chance to use, and in wonderful blacks, including a claret black that is superb on tiny midges. For a natural black, you will want to check out the people who bought Denny Conrad's stock. He has natural blacks that are awesome. Joyce On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 6:09 PM, jerryp...@comcast.net wrote: Chuck: The dyes in that kit are not the same as Kool Aid unless you're thinking Jonestown or the dyes you see in the stores around Easter time. In the instructions that came with the kit in large letters is Do not eat any egg treated with these dyes I've thought about picking up a couple of packs of the people friendly Easter egg dyes in the $Store after Easter. Good Luck. Just remember that a black hackle neck is not a black grizzly hackle neck. Jerry C All things considered I'd rather be in Philadelphia. - Original Message - Jerry: Thanks. I bet my daughter has some of those dye tablet left over. And if she don't have black I guess I could try it the way my printer makes black using the red, blue and yellow mixed to make black. But I'll bet that type dye would be about the same thing as the dyes in Kool Aid (food grade dyes) with the vinegar added to set the colors. Anyway, I guess I could try just a few feathers and see what happens. Maybe I should just break down and tell my wife I want a black hackle neck for an early Christmas gift. I HAVE been a good little boy this year after all LOL.. When I'm asleep at least hahaha. At least all the great tips are giving me a lot of options to try to see what works best for me. I think I have a light cream colored neck that might come out better than my idea of starting with a grizzly neck anyway. Thanks again, Chuck -Original Message- From: jerryp...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 10:22 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ??? Chuck: I've only dyed grizzly hackle one time. I had several grizzly saddles of various quality where I had used up most of the good dry fly hackle and had found an old Ukrainian Easter Egg kit my grandmother had used to make the eggs. There were several packets of dye left including black. So I followed the directions which included adding vinegar to the mix and came out with some decent grizzly hackles, dark green, yellow, orange, red, purple and black. The grizzly dyed black came out all black, you can see the grizzly pattern, I think because the dyed black part is a bit glossier and maybe a bit darker than the dyed white portion. Go for it. Jerry Caruso All things considered I'd rather be in Philadelphia. - Original Message - Folks: Can anybody give me the “secret” to dying feathers (and/or fabric) with Rit dye?? What happened is that my son had some dark purple demin material he wanted dyed black. He added TWO boxes of Rit dye to the three gallons or so of water as he had four yards of material to dye. Adde the salt but not the vinegar as it said to only use the vinegar with salt if the material is silk or wool and not cotton. Brought the water to a boil, then let it soak all day. Still just came out a darker purple and NIT jet black like the dye is. Now is my problem in that. He saved the water as I have a ton of grizzly feathers, but hardly any black, so I was just going to sye a grizzly neck in that same dye water mix after he finished. But I don’t want the grizzly to go from black and white, to purple ad white. Any tips?? Should I add vinegar?? Thanks, Chuck -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB
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What about using anilin dyes? Sent from my iPad Thank You, Alan Di Somma Phoenix, AZ. Some mistakes are just too much fun to make only once. On Nov 19, 2014, at 6:18 PM, Joyce M Westphal joyce...@gmail.com wrote: May I suggest, before you have done the dyeing, etc. that you may want to just keep the grizzly hackle without dyeing it and go to Lakelandflytying.com in the UK and just buy one of their Whiting saddles or necks in the color you want. They have the best dyed feathers I have ever had the chance to use, and in wonderful blacks, including a claret black that is superb on tiny midges. For a natural black, you will want to check out the people who bought Denny Conrad's stock. He has natural blacks that are awesome. Joyce On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 6:09 PM, jerryp...@comcast.net wrote: Chuck: The dyes in that kit are not the same as Kool Aid unless you're thinking Jonestown or the dyes you see in the stores around Easter time. In the instructions that came with the kit in large letters is Do not eat any egg treated with these dyes I've thought about picking up a couple of packs of the people friendly Easter egg dyes in the $Store after Easter. Good Luck. Just remember that a black hackle neck is not a black grizzly hackle neck. Jerry C All things considered I'd rather be in Philadelphia. - Original Message - Jerry: Thanks. I bet my daughter has some of those dye tablet left over. And if she don't have black I guess I could try it the way my printer makes black using the red, blue and yellow mixed to make black. But I'll bet that type dye would be about the same thing as the dyes in Kool Aid (food grade dyes) with the vinegar added to set the colors. Anyway, I guess I could try just a few feathers and see what happens. Maybe I should just break down and tell my wife I want a black hackle neck for an early Christmas gift. I HAVE been a good little boy this year after all LOL.. When I'm asleep at least hahaha. At least all the great tips are giving me a lot of options to try to see what works best for me. I think I have a light cream colored neck that might come out better than my idea of starting with a grizzly neck anyway. Thanks again, Chuck -Original Message- From: jerryp...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 10:22 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ??? Chuck: I've only dyed grizzly hackle one time. I had several grizzly saddles of various quality where I had used up most of the good dry fly hackle and had found an old Ukrainian Easter Egg kit my grandmother had used to make the eggs. There were several packets of dye left including black. So I followed the directions which included adding vinegar to the mix and came out with some decent grizzly hackles, dark green, yellow, orange, red, purple and black. The grizzly dyed black came out all black, you can see the grizzly pattern, I think because the dyed black part is a bit glossier and maybe a bit darker than the dyed white portion. Go for it. Jerry Caruso All things considered I'd rather be in Philadelphia. - Original Message - Folks: Can anybody give me the “secret” to dying feathers (and/or fabric) with Rit dye?? What happened is that my son had some dark purple demin material he wanted dyed black. He added TWO boxes of Rit dye to the three gallons or so of water as he had four yards of material to dye. Adde the salt but not the vinegar as it said to only use the vinegar with salt if the material is silk or wool and not cotton. Brought the water to a boil, then let it soak all day. Still just came out a darker purple and NIT jet black like the dye is. Now is my problem in that. He saved the water as I have a ton of grizzly feathers, but hardly any black, so I was just going to sye a grizzly neck in that same dye water mix after he finished. But I don’t want the grizzly to go from black and white, to purple ad white. Any tips?? Should I add vinegar?? Thanks, Chuck -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
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Mel: Thanks a lot. Great tips there. I’ll try them out, Chuck From: mel hocken Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:18 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ??? Chuck I used to dye a lot of materials, both fur, feathers as wellas natural and some synthetic yarns. The first step is to be sure the material to be dyed is clean and free of grease and oils. I used to use dish washing soap.Be sure to rinse the soap completely away. Temperature control is critical because if you get the dye solution to hot you can cook the hair right off the hide or ruin a nice cape. I tryed to keep my dye bath at at 125 degrees. I have used tintex, rit, dylon and veniard dye. They all had pluses and minuses. With all types black was the most difficult to dye. I found you needed to mix the black dye bath 2 to 4 times stronger than recomended. I always used vinegar to set the dye. With black and some of the other more difficult colors I would not add the vinegar until I had achieved, close to the color saturation I required. I recommend only dying a small amounts to start with. I have many friends who ruined a lot of materials because they went at it like a commercial opperation. Keep notes on anything you try. I do not dye many materials these days as it seems everything is available commercially, much easier to buy the finished material. Regards Mel Hocken - Original Message - From: Chuck Alexander To: fly fishing for panfish ; vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 11:21 AM Subject: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ??? Folks: Can anybody give me the “secret” to dying feathers (and/or fabric) with Rit dye?? What happened is that my son had some dark purple demin material he wanted dyed black. He added TWO boxes of Rit dye to the three gallons or so of water as he had four yards of material to dye. Adde the salt but not the vinegar as it said to only use the vinegar with salt if the material is silk or wool and not cotton. Brought the water to a boil, then let it soak all day. Still just came out a darker purple and NIT jet black like the dye is. Now is my problem in that. He saved the water as I have a ton of grizzly feathers, but hardly any black, so I was just going to sye a grizzly neck in that same dye water mix after he finished. But I don’t want the grizzly to go from black and white, to purple ad white. Any tips?? Should I add vinegar?? Thanks, Chuck -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3495 / Virus Database: 4189/8598 - Release Date: 11/19/14 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Joyce: Thanks. Those look like great hackles in the smaller sizes I want as well, and the ones I saw said pro grade for L22 (British pounds) which would be only $34 and change according to the exchange rate I looked up which is not bad at all for the ones I saw in the pics. Chuck From: Joyce M Westphal Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:18 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ??? May I suggest, before you have done the dyeing, etc. that you may want to just keep the grizzly hackle without dyeing it and go to Lakelandflytying.com in the UK and just buy one of their Whiting saddles or necks in the color you want. They have the best dyed feathers I have ever had the chance to use, and in wonderful blacks, including a claret black that is superb on tiny midges. For a natural black, you will want to check out the people who bought Denny Conrad's stock. He has natural blacks that are awesome. Joyce On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 6:09 PM, jerryp...@comcast.net wrote: Chuck: The dyes in that kit are not the same as Kool Aid unless you're thinking Jonestown or the dyes you see in the stores around Easter time. In the instructions that came with the kit in large letters is Do not eat any egg treated with these dyes I've thought about picking up a couple of packs of the people friendly Easter egg dyes in the $Store after Easter. Good Luck. Just remember that a black hackle neck is not a black grizzly hackle neck. Jerry C All things considered I'd rather be in Philadelphia. - Original Message - Jerry: Thanks. I bet my daughter has some of those dye tablet left over. And if she don't have black I guess I could try it the way my printer makes black using the red, blue and yellow mixed to make black. But I'll bet that type dye would be about the same thing as the dyes in Kool Aid (food grade dyes) with the vinegar added to set the colors. Anyway, I guess I could try just a few feathers and see what happens. Maybe I should just break down and tell my wife I want a black hackle neck for an early Christmas gift. I HAVE been a good little boy this year after all LOL.. When I'm asleep at least hahaha. At least all the great tips are giving me a lot of options to try to see what works best for me. I think I have a light cream colored neck that might come out better than my idea of starting with a grizzly neck anyway. Thanks again, Chuck -Original Message- From: jerryp...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 10:22 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ??? Chuck: I've only dyed grizzly hackle one time. I had several grizzly saddles of various quality where I had used up most of the good dry fly hackle and had found an old Ukrainian Easter Egg kit my grandmother had used to make the eggs. There were several packets of dye left including black. So I followed the directions which included adding vinegar to the mix and came out with some decent grizzly hackles, dark green, yellow, orange, red, purple and black. The grizzly dyed black came out all black, you can see the grizzly pattern, I think because the dyed black part is a bit glossier and maybe a bit darker than the dyed white portion. Go for it. Jerry Caruso All things considered I'd rather be in Philadelphia. - Original Message - Folks: Can anybody give me the “secret” to dying feathers (and/or fabric) with Rit dye?? What happened is that my son had some dark purple demin material he wanted dyed black. He added TWO boxes of Rit dye to the three gallons or so of water as he had four yards of material to dye. Adde the salt but not the vinegar as it said to only use the vinegar with salt if the material is silk or wool and not cotton. Brought the water to a boil, then let it soak all day. Still just came out a darker purple and NIT jet black like the dye is. Now is my problem in that. He saved the water as I have a ton of grizzly feathers, but hardly any black, so I was just going to sye a grizzly neck in that same dye water mix after he finished. But I don’t want the grizzly to go from black and white, to purple ad white. Any tips?? Should I add vinegar?? Thanks, Chuck -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mailto:vfb-mail%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit
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Jerry: Thanks. I figured what with the way the Govt is now, that they'd make the companies use a food grade dye in the Easter egg dyes. Learn something new everyday I guess, Chuck -Original Message- From: jerryp...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:09 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ??? Chuck: The dyes in that kit are not the same as Kool Aid unless you're thinking Jonestown or the dyes you see in the stores around Easter time. In the instructions that came with the kit in large letters is Do not eat any egg treated with these dyes I've thought about picking up a couple of packs of the people friendly Easter egg dyes in the $Store after Easter. Good Luck. Just remember that a black hackle neck is not a black grizzly hackle neck. Jerry C All things considered I'd rather be in Philadelphia. - Original Message - Jerry: Thanks. I bet my daughter has some of those dye tablet left over. And if she don't have black I guess I could try it the way my printer makes black using the red, blue and yellow mixed to make black. But I'll bet that type dye would be about the same thing as the dyes in Kool Aid (food grade dyes) with the vinegar added to set the colors. Anyway, I guess I could try just a few feathers and see what happens. Maybe I should just break down and tell my wife I want a black hackle neck for an early Christmas gift. I HAVE been a good little boy this year after all LOL.. When I'm asleep at least hahaha. At least all the great tips are giving me a lot of options to try to see what works best for me. I think I have a light cream colored neck that might come out better than my idea of starting with a grizzly neck anyway. Thanks again, Chuck -Original Message- From: jerryp...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 10:22 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Dying feathers with Rit dye ??? Chuck: I've only dyed grizzly hackle one time. I had several grizzly saddles of various quality where I had used up most of the good dry fly hackle and had found an old Ukrainian Easter Egg kit my grandmother had used to make the eggs. There were several packets of dye left including black. So I followed the directions which included adding vinegar to the mix and came out with some decent grizzly hackles, dark green, yellow, orange, red, purple and black. The grizzly dyed black came out all black, you can see the grizzly pattern, I think because the dyed black part is a bit glossier and maybe a bit darker than the dyed white portion. Go for it. Jerry Caruso All things considered I'd rather be in Philadelphia. - Original Message - Folks: Can anybody give me the “secret” to dying feathers (and/or fabric) with Rit dye?? What happened is that my son had some dark purple demin material he wanted dyed black. He added TWO boxes of Rit dye to the three gallons or so of water as he had four yards of material to dye. Adde the salt but not the vinegar as it said to only use the vinegar with salt if the material is silk or wool and not cotton. Brought the water to a boil, then let it soak all day. Still just came out a darker purple and NIT jet black like the dye is. Now is my problem in that. He saved the water as I have a ton of grizzly feathers, but hardly any black, so I was just going to sye a grizzly neck in that same dye water mix after he finished. But I don’t want the grizzly to go from black and white, to purple ad white. Any tips?? Should I add vinegar?? Thanks, Chuck -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VFB Mail group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group,
