Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

2005-11-12 Thread Adam Quirk
Wow.So after reading all this, I decided to send my subscribers to Feedburner with a .htaccess redirect as per Rick's advice.  It seems to be working fine, although my subscriber count has not climbed much as I assumed it would. And, yeah, for the record, I care about my stats because it's my we

Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

2005-11-12 Thread Ted Tagami
Andrew - Thanks for the heads up on adding a href track! I promise to use my powers for good, never for evil... ;)On 11/12/05, andrew michael baron < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: David, Ted, I'm not here to pick fights. . .but. . . :P I dont know. Its sounds cool and you know advertisers would

Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

2005-11-12 Thread David Meade
On 11/12/05, andrew michael baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > First, I just want to distance myself from your voice below which assumed > that marketing is the basis for my interests. Ok - not that I think knowing marketing data is bad. I think its something that an ubber-popular show like rocke

Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

2005-11-12 Thread Brad Webb
Oh, for sure, it's easy to make SOME differenciation. Except for jackasses like me with 4 machines, with 3 different OS' and 4 different aggregators. I presume the level of jackassness is on par with mine, too, which is why subscribers=1 in anything I throw together. =) David Meade wrote: >On

Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

2005-11-12 Thread David Meade
On 11/12/05, Brad Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The short answer to this is.. unique IPs that hit multiple times over > the last 24 hour period. That's what I can determine to be feedburner's > technique. > > That, at least, is how I'm going to be doing the calculation. =) > > It doesn't accoun

Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

2005-11-12 Thread andrew michael baron
P.S.How do you know if you are a videoblogger? If you never ask yourself "Is all of this really worth it?"On Nov 12, 2005, at 7:20 PM, andrew michael baron wrote: Ok, fair enough. We are talking about two different things now. However! I can't just let it die and move on. :P :P :PPP First, I

Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

2005-11-12 Thread andrew michael baron
Ok, fair enough. We are talking about two different things now. However! I can't just let it die and move on. :P :P :PPP First, I just want to distance myself from your voice below which assumed that marketing is the basis for my interests.Setting aside any marketing data that other people ma

Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

2005-11-12 Thread Brad Webb
The short answer to this is.. unique IPs that hit multiple times over the last 24 hour period. That's what I can determine to be feedburner's technique. That, at least, is how I'm going to be doing the calculation. =) It doesn't account for aggregators that cache, NAT'd IPs, or anything of the

Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

2005-11-12 Thread David Meade
I'm not sure how this topic got so confused ... :-P The question asked was NOT "how can I get detailed viewer stats that have enough data I could use it when talking to marketing/sponsorship/advertisemnt/etc people" ... the question was simply "has anyone figured out a way to get feedburner like s

Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

2005-11-12 Thread andrew michael baron
David, Ted, I'm not here to pick fights. . .but. . . :P I dont know. Its sounds cool and you know advertisers would love to know if a commercial was watched. This can be done easily with adding an href track to the video at a certain time interval. You can ping a count to your server at any

Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

2005-11-12 Thread Ted Tagami
wouldn't it be nice if a movie would ping the creator after it had been viewed on the network!On 11/12/05, David Meade < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 11/12/05, andrew michael baron < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: David, you are still missing some crucial background info regarding the reports that

Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

2005-11-12 Thread David Meade
On 11/12/05, andrew michael baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: David, you are still missing some crucial background info regarding the reports that you are generating. While its true, everyone has a unique IP at a certain time and those IPs can rotate, its a very regular case to have the ISP "REPO

Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

2005-11-12 Thread Pete Prodoehl
David Meade wrote: > > Rather than parse log files, I wrote a few php functions that are called > each time the feed is acccessed. It then writes (or updates) a record of the > request to the databse. I have another table of "rules" that the system > checks these requests against to determine how

Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

2005-11-12 Thread Pete Prodoehl
andrew michael baron wrote: > I believe the most obscure statistic that hasnt been mentioned, which > is desirable, especially when one has multiple feeds, is an aggregate > of the amount of actual video downloads To some degree, that's pretty much the only number I look at nowadays. I run a

Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

2005-11-12 Thread andrew michael baron
David, you are still missing some crucial background info regarding the reports that you are generating. While its true, everyone has a unique IP at a certain time and those IPs can rotate, its a very regular case to have the ISP "REPORT" an entire range of IPs as a single IP. For instance, out o

Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

2005-11-12 Thread David Meade
I never said I was going soly by IP address.  If one viewer pings my rss page 1 time or 137,256,748 times a day ... they still count as 1 subscriber.  I'm not concerned with how many times they are pinging or how many times they are downloading, only that this identifiable user is still pollin

Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

2005-11-11 Thread andrew michael baron
But that doesnt work when go by IP addresses because the unique IP address count is too obscure.You may be pinging my xml page 12 times a day and only getting one video. And 1000 different people may be coming from the same IP.On Nov 11, 2005, at 9:42 PM, David Meade wrote: On 11/11/05, andrew mi

Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

2005-11-11 Thread David Meade
On 11/11/05, andrew michael baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ps. the main reason why the formula for comparing these numbers is complex of course centers around the fact that xml pages are often hit when there is no update, which leads to xml hits with no html hits or video downloads.True.  But

Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

2005-11-11 Thread David Meade
Good point andrew.  For some people, BlipTV can provide pretty good stats in this (although I believe they are still fine tuning their stat system).  They list total number of views with a breakout of user agent (itunes, fireant, IE, Firefox, etc). I know RB doesnt use blip ... I'm just sayin

Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

2005-11-11 Thread andrew michael baron
ps. the main reason why the formula for comparing these numbers is complex of course centers around the fact that xml pages are often hit when there is no update, which leads to xml hits with no html hits or video downloads.On Nov 11, 2005, at 9:19 PM, andrew michael baron wrote: I believe the mo

Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

2005-11-11 Thread andrew michael baron
I believe the most obscure statistic that hasnt been mentioned, which is desirable, especially when one has multiple feeds, is an aggregate of the amount of actual video downloads against the number of xml page views against the number of html object views, something I would have to calculate by

Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

2005-11-11 Thread Adam Quirk
That sounds great.  I have no idea how to do any of it, but it sounds perfect.Are you going to release it anytime soon?On 11/11/05, David Meade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I created a system to track / estimate subscribers on my site.  I still consider it testing, but I think it works pretty g

Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

2005-11-11 Thread David Meade
I created a system to track / estimate subscribers on my site.  I still consider it testing, but I think it works pretty good.  I dont use log files however. Rather than parse log files, I wrote a few php functions that are called each time the feed is acccessed.  It then writes (or updates) a

Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

2005-11-11 Thread Randolfe Wicker
I would like to know how many views a beginning vlogger might get?  How many views would indicate a vlogger building readership after 6 or 10 vlogs?   I know I view certain vlogs because I have come to know and like other vlogs by that person.  I am rarely disappointed.   I know vlogging r