Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
On 12/16/05, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In an interview (podcast) with Michael Verdi, they talked about sixdifferent books on vlogging being in the works.(aside from a 'how-to' book)I think the best thing would be for a few people to take a week and just edit the best bits of this list into a conversation book about themedium / subject matter and its potential. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/- Original Message -From: Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:50 AMSubject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:47:07 +0100, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: speaking of the vloggy vastness... what up with the book of vlog?is that still being compiled? As far as I know it got picked up by a new publisher and is currently being (re)written. - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:57:28 +0100, Matthew Clayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to be writing my postgraduate theses on videoblogging, just for the record. I'm putting finishing touches (okay, last minute frantic writing) on a paper about videoblogging right now (in Danish, but...). It's a warm-up for my master's thesis that I'll start working on in February (it definately won't include large sections on cinema, or Birth of a Nation!). I know there are a small handful of people working with videoblogging in graduate programs. Maybe we should create a place to geek out? - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
that's interesting may i ask who is sponsoring your work? Matthew Clayfield wrote: I'm going to be writing my postgraduate theses on videoblogging, just for the record. -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
On 12/16/05, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a job, Will be graduating next week and then going full time...so there is my jobas for my life...Well I have a full and fulfilling life...oh yeah, I almost forgot. To the rest of the in-crowd: we have a meeting next weekend in NYC where we will be discussing self-promotion, ego-building, how to start hype about your crappy content, and how to make sure that newbies never get any attention at all. Please bring your in-crowd notebooks and magic rings. this is a private party...only the elite vloggers are allowed to attend (that means no Richard Show you talentless, un-funny little puke!)... dang it! ... I always got picked last in soft ball too! ... and no body invited me to join evil vlog ... woh is me ... but I must say I have always been one to appreciate attention however I can get it, he did say I was little, which I like, and he did use the words Richard Show :) ... Richard, of the Richard Show (the real vlog father, and inventor of pretty much everything)-- Richard http://www.richardshow.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:41:07 +0100, Matthew Clayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe we should create a place to geek out? Most definitely. In fact, perhaps the two of us should start a new Yahoo group? We could call (however unoriginally) Vlog Theory. Done and done. I've invited you already and any interested parties can point their browser to: URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vlogtheory/ I'll need to approve your membership because I don't want spam-bots to join the list. - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
On Dec 16, 2005, at 6:30 PM, Michael I wrote:Uh not to flog a dead horse but I remember some time back when Josh Leo loudly said the same thing...same song, same arugement. Is this something that should be addressed? I do not know the complete tift here but reading Manchessemo's complaint here has been metioned numerous times. Why is this? does it put a black eye the promotion of videoblogging? Do arugements like this leave a bad taste in peoples mouths? With this new "media" are people struggling to stay at the top? and in the mean time does this stiffle the creativity?has it created a hierarchary instead of a anarchy? as a particpant (since August 2004) and observer it seems that it's not making the most positive impression. I am open to any honest and or creative disscussion. If you want to email me to mention any personal feelings I welcome that also.MickFirst of all I have to agree... this is a great topic... or rather when we shift away from talking about something we can't control... the press... something I'm not even sure why we're obsessed about... what with our being our own media and all... this becomes an very interesting topic... one we should talk about from time to time. That said...Well, since Josh Leo went from ranting about "a-list" to being one of the most popular vloggers I don't think it's as big an issue as people would make it out to be. But let's analyze anyway shall we? :)Where does this "a-list" establishment embed itself?1) our vlogrolls?2) directories - most popular?3) FireAnt's 10 default feeds?4) the recycled hot list of names used in previous articles on vloggers in the lexis nexus dbase?5) Where else? Our minds?or is it just active participants in the vlogosphere1) people who post videos a lot?2) people who chat here a lot?3) people who get active in lots of projects?4) or simply people who make videos people love?What else determines visibility... what else embeds the status quo into the system. What else indoctrinates?How can we break the status quo?As an example... Mefeedia is developing things like favoring, tagging, reviewing, and re-vlogging (aka. their "blog this" tool) so that anyone can quickly find and just as easily promote new vlogs and videos. And we're helping you do it because it helps us build a better directory... which is the vision of "social media"... self helping, self made... like wikipedia or any wiki... but different in form.Sure there's still a way to see the most popular video feeds... but we can't deny people that, it has it's utility. What we can do is develop tools that create "churn"... that agitate the status quo... so that the mix of vlogs doesn't become a homogenized flow of same same... and meanwhile you can do the same... the best way of course it revlogging... promote other peoples videos... keep an up to date vlog roll.It's no secrete that re-vlogging is ALL I do with my blog... what's more I seek out other projects like evilvlog.com to "re-contextualize" and challenge norms and expectations... Evilvlog is now a wild and chaotic churn of media coming from all over the vlogosphere and we're going to keep adding adding editors until it implodes.. and/or people start creating their own "evilvlogs"... seek out people of shared interest and start your own multi-person vlog or blog and let's decentralize this conversation on this yahoo group a little... because it in my mind is perhaps the one thing most responsible for this cliquish insider feeling... that new visitors get... it's well beyond it's capacity... that said perhaps I shouldn't even be posting here... but to say... disperse.. find or build new fertile lands for conversation... it's completely within your power.BTW, some other ideas on creating more churn, in addition to AWSOME collaborative re-vlogging.Perhaps mefeedia and fireant should both create _javascript_ objects for dropping in the right hand sidebar of a vlog that would contain a list of vlogs one is currently subscribed to on mefeedia or fire ant... An up to the minute vlog roll.Perhaps also a tool for displaying the items in one's personal queue of media or playlist... to put in the right hand side bar of their vlog.Perhaps also a tool for displaying my recently favorited or tagged videos in the right hand side bar of my vlog.FireANT, Vlogdir, Blip, Audi blog and others might find ways to follow suit.These things like live vlog rolls would have a TREMENDOUS impact on search traffic and traffic flow. I would absolutely love to see what Steve Garfield, Ryanne, and Josh Leo and indeed all my friends are subscribed to at any different moment, what their tagging, what they're favoriting. All this on the face of their vlog. The search engines would go NUTS! I encourage you to look for other ways of promoting the mix and churn.The solution to this issue in my mind lies in ongoing work around the following fundamental systematic / architectural question.How can we drive traffic out to the edges of the network and
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
Phenomenal response! Lets bring this together, expose the trials and triumphs. Your only as good as the tools provided and your only as good as the people around you. What can be done to neutralize the negative emotions around this subject? Is this a medium that can change perception? How easy it for us to find good content and make new people feel welcome? With so many variables, where or how can this been taken to the next level? Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 16, 2005, at 6:30 PM, Michael I wrote:Uh not to flog a dead horse but I remember some time back when Josh Leo loudly said the same thing...same song, same arugement.Is this something that should be addressed? I do not know the complete tift here but reading Manchessemo's complaint here has been metioned numerous times.Why is this? does it put a black eye the promotion of videoblogging? Do arugements like this leave a bad taste in peoples mouths? With this new "media" are people struggling to stay at the top? and in the mean time does this stiffle the creativity?has it created a hierarchary instead of a anarchy? as a particpant (since August 2004) and observer it seems that it's not making the most positive impression. I am open to any honest and or creative disscussion. If you want to email me to mention any personal feelings I welcome that also.MickFirst of all I have to agree... this is a great topic... or rather when we shift away from talking about something we can't control... the press... something I'm not even sure why we're obsessed about... what with our being our own media and all... this becomes an very interesting topic... one we should talk about from time to time.That said...Well, since Josh Leo went from ranting about "a-list" to being one of the most popular vloggers I don't think it's as big an issue as people would make it out to be. But let's analyze anyway shall we? :)Where does this "a-list" establishment embed itself?1) our vlogrolls?2) directories - most popular?3) FireAnt's 10 default feeds?4) the recycled hot list of names used in previous articles on vloggers in the lexis nexus dbase?5) Where else? Our minds?or is it just active participants in the vlogosphere1) people who post videos a lot?2) people who chat here a lot?3) people who get active in lots of projects?4) or simply people who make videos people love?What else determines visibility... what else embeds the status quo into the system. What else indoctrinates?How can we break the status quo?As an example... Mefeedia is developing things like favoring, tagging, reviewing, and re-vlogging (aka. their "blog this" tool) so that anyone can quickly find and just as easily promote new vlogs and videos. And we're helping you do it because it helps us build a better directory... which is the vision of "social media"... self helping, self made... like wikipedia or any wiki... but different in form.Sure there's still a way to see the mostpopular video feeds... but we can't deny people that, it has it's utility. What we can do is develop tools that create "churn"... that agitate the status quo... so that the mix of vlogs doesn't become a homogenized flow of same same... and meanwhile you can do the same... the best way of course it revlogging... promote other peoples videos... keep an up to date vlog roll.It's no secrete that re-vlogging is ALL I do with my blog... what's more I seek out other projects like evilvlog.com to "re-contextualize" and challenge norms and expectations... Evilvlog is now a wild andchaotic churn of media coming from all over the vlogosphere and we're going to keep adding adding editorsuntil it implodes.. and/or people start creating their own "evilvlogs"... seek out people of shared interest and start your own multi-person vlog or blog and let's decentralize this conversation on this yahoo group a little... because it inmy mind is perhaps the one thing most responsible for this cliquish insider feeling... that new visitors get... it's well beyond it's capacity... that said perhaps I shouldn't even be posting here... but to say... disperse.. find or build new fertile lands for conversation... it's completely within your power.BTW, some other ideas on creating more churn, in addition to AWSOME collaborative re-vlogging.Perhaps mefeedia and fireant should both create _javascript_ objects for dropping in the right hand sidebar of a vlog that would contain a list of vlogs one is currently subscribed to on mefeedia or fire ant... An up to the minute vlog roll.Perhaps also a tool for displaying the items in one's personal queue of media or playlist... to put in the right hand side bar of their vlog.Perhaps also a tool for displaying my recently favorited or tagged videos in the right hand side bar of my vlog.FireANT, Vlogdir, Blip, Audi blog and others mightfind ways to follow suit.These things like live vlog rolls would have a TREMENDOUS impact on search traffic and traffic flow. I would absolutely love to see what Steve
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
For the record, I don't ever want a *job and yes, vlogging *is in most respects my life. I've been working toward creating things that are served by what vlogging offers since I was but a wee lass in saddle shoes. If you feel on the outside ask yourself this: why do you begrudge folks who make vlogging their life and livlihood and the attention that has brought them? Churn. Yes. Definitely helps to bring new, talented folks to the top of the pot.Most of the directories have restructured their sites to feature new vloggers. What more do you want? As MM points out, becoming part of the community, posting regularly, being active in lots of groups and community effortswill bring you up through the ranks. All the popular vloggers have done this and more, and worked tirelessly to create this community. If you are new here you have no idea the time and effort they have invested. If what you want is to walk through the door and be lifted upon others' shoulders and given a gratuitous round of "For he's a jolly good fellow," forget it. It's not going to happen without work. Lots of work. If you think that "posting" to this or any list community means posting your URL and telling folks to visit your vlog it's not going to work. Share your expertise. Do something. Anything. But make it open source and on some level selfless. As I'm fond of saying, "Work hard; use the proper tools." When did it become a sin to promote friends and family? You want me to promote you? Do some small thing for me and then I will. No question. You want me to promote you? Become my friend. That means talk with me, promote me, help me, console and advise me. I will do the same for you. Videoblogging is not television, nor is it Hollywood. We have yet to discover a vlog-voice in terms of what styles fit best in a 320 x 240 or smaller screen in 3 minutes or less. We have yet to discover a way to have vlog conversations, link-love, and quotations, back-and-forthing as simple as bloggers do that. I think the style will be closeups on faces and things. Good sound design. Good, compact ideas. In short, the short film closer in. It is still very early in the game, folks. Cooperation and community rule. Gettin' off my low pony now. XOXOX, Jan -- "It isn't done alone. Pay more." http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roadnode101/ - Road Node 101http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - motionhttp://blog.urbanartadventures.com - soundhttp://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - communityhttp://the-hold.blogspot.com - literature. - Original Message - From: Michael I To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 5:54 AM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging Phenomenal response!Lets bring this together, expose the trials and triumphs.Your only as good as the tools provided and your only as good as the people around you. What can be done to neutralize the negative emotions around this subject?Is this a medium that can change perception? How easy it for us to find good content and make new people feel welcome?With so many variables, where or how can this been taken to the next level?Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 16, 2005, at 6:30 PM, Michael I wrote: Uh not to flog a dead horse but I remember some time back when Josh Leo loudly said the same thing...same song, same arugement.Is this something that should be addressed? I do not know the complete tift here but reading Manchessemo's complaint here has been metioned numerous times.Why is this? does it put a black eye the promotion of videoblogging? Do arugements like this leave a bad taste in peoples mouths? With this new "media" are people struggling to stay at the top? and in the mean time does this stiffle the creativity?has it created a hierarchary instead of a anarchy? as a particpant (since August 2004) and observer it seems that it's not making the most positive impression. I am open to any honest and or creative disscussion. If you want to email me to mention any personal feelings I welcome that also.Mick First of all I have to agree... this is a great topic... or rather when we shift away from talking about something we can't control... the press... something I'm not even sure why we're obsessed about... what with our being our own media and all... this becomes an very interesting topic... one we should talk about from time to time.That said... Well, since Josh Leo went from ranting about "a-list" to being one of the most popular vloggers I don't think it's as big an issue as people would make it out to be. But let's analyze anyway shall we? :) Where does this "a-list" establishment embed itself? 1) our
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
I want to second all that Jan has said. When
I first stumbled onto the world of vlogging, she was one of the first people to
take the trouble to respond to my questions about cameras, computers,
etc.
She is someone who has slaved selfishly to help
build this community. And she, so far as I know, has gotten little
attention or public appreciation for her efforts. Her reward has been in
the warm good feelings she has earned in helping others and being part of this
community.
She talks about riding a horse. I think of
her as modern day Joan of Arc. Let's just hope they don't burn her at the
stake someday in one of these ugly flame wars.
Randolfe (Randy) Wickerhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/
- Original Message -
From:
Jan
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 7:56
AM
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall
Street Journal: Videoblogging
For the record, I don't ever want a *job and yes, vlogging
*is in most respects my life. I've been working toward creating things that
are served by what vlogging offers since I was but a wee lass in saddle
shoes.
If you feel on the outside ask yourself this: why do you
begrudge folks who make vlogging their life and livlihood and the attention
that has brought them?
Churn. Yes. Definitely helps to bring new, talented folks to
the top of the pot.Most of the directories have restructured their sites
to feature new vloggers. What more do you want?
As MM points out, becoming part of the community, posting
regularly, being active in lots of groups and community effortswill
bring you up through the ranks. All the popular vloggers have done this and
more, and worked tirelessly to create this community. If you are new here you
have no idea the time and effort they have invested.
If what you want is to walk through the door and be lifted
upon others' shoulders and given a gratuitous round of "For he's a jolly good
fellow," forget it. It's not going to happen without work. Lots of work. If
you think that "posting" to this or any list community means posting your URL
and telling folks to visit your vlog it's not going to work. Share your
expertise. Do something. Anything. But make it open source and on some level
selfless.
As I'm fond of saying, "Work hard; use the proper
tools."
When did it become a sin to promote friends and family? You
want me to promote you? Do some small thing for me and then I will. No
question. You want me to promote you? Become my friend. That means talk with
me, promote me, help me, console and advise me. I will do the same for
you.
Videoblogging is not television, nor is it Hollywood. We
have yet to discover a vlog-voice in terms of what styles fit best in a 320 x
240 or smaller screen in 3 minutes or less. We have yet to discover a way to
have vlog conversations, link-love, and quotations, back-and-forthing as
simple as bloggers do that. I think the style will be closeups on faces and
things. Good sound design. Good, compact ideas. In short, the short film
closer in.
It is still very early in the game, folks.
Cooperation and community rule.
Gettin' off my low pony now.
XOXOX,
Jan
-- "It isn't done alone. Pay more." http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roadnode101/
- Road Node 101http://fauxpress.blogspot.com -
motionhttp://blog.urbanartadventures.com
- soundhttp://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com -
communityhttp://the-hold.blogspot.com -
literature.
- Original Message -
From:
Michael I
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 5:54
AM
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall
Street Journal: Videoblogging
Phenomenal response!Lets bring this together,
expose the trials and triumphs.Your only as good as the tools provided
and your only as good as the people around you. What can be done to
neutralize the negative emotions around this subject?Is this a
medium that can change perception? How easy it for us to find
good content and make new people feel welcome?With so many variables,
where or how can this been taken to the next level?Michael
Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Dec 16, 2005, at 6:30 PM, Michael I wrote:
Uh not to flog a dead horse but I remember some time
back when Josh Leo loudly said the same thing...same song, same
arugement.Is this something that should be
addressed? I do not know the complete tift here but reading
Manchessemo's complaint here has been metioned numerous
times.Why is this? does it put a black eye the
promotion of videoblogging? Do arugements like this leave a bad taste in
peoples mouths? With this new "media"
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:27:56 +0100, petertheman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reporters are busy (ie. lazy) ;) Whatever vlogs you mention to them they will probably check out, so make sure you can mention a few unknown ones :) C'mone on, give them a little credit. :o) Their boss probably only gave them one or two days to get the story done. Getting a feel for a new concept and a huge community *and* figure out what angle you want *and* condone interviews (and everyone knows interview victims are the really lazy ones!) takes time. They are busy, but not *always* lazy! :o) - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
speaking of the vloggy vastness... what up with the book of vlog? is that still being compiled?On 12/16/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:27:56 +0100, petertheman [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Reporters are busy (ie. lazy) ;) Whatever vlogs you mention to them they will probably check out, so make sure you can mention a few unknown ones :) C'mone on, give them a little credit. :o)Their boss probably only gave them one or two days to get the story done.Getting a feel for a new concept and a huge community *and* figure outwhat angle you want *and* condone interviews (and everyone knows interview victims are the really lazy ones!) takes time. They are busy, but not*always* lazy! :o)- Andreas--URL:http://www.solitude.dk/Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:47:07 +0100, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: speaking of the vloggy vastness... what up with the book of vlog? is that still being compiled? As far as I know it got picked up by a new publisher and is currently being (re)written. - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
they also have limited capacity the more you tell them, the less likely they are to get it all correct or pick the important points i've learned to curb my enthusiasm and stick to just a few basic points petertheman wrote: of course. seems to be an A-List of vloggers, evangelists, services that are repeatedly mentioned over and over. I suppose this makes sense for the latter groups but its def good to see new vloggers getting attention... The variety is usually good... from rboom to laughterpractice. just wish the reporters/editors would not 'borrow' so much from other articles and resources and go out and find the nuggets themselves. Reporters are busy (ie. lazy) ;) Whatever vlogs you mention to them they will probably check out, so make sure you can mention a few unknown ones :) Peter -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
dear dude fuck you. On 12/16/05, ManCheeseMo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sure does get old reading what is basically the same article. My resolution for the New Year is to unsubscribe and boycott the following: Rocketboom, Garfield, Jay/Ryannne, Verdi and Josh Leo. None of them are great. Sure they're decent, but they sure don't deserve the hype over anyone else. Long live the underdogs. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christian Wach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16 Dec 2005, at 14:17, Michael Sullivan wrote: seems to be an A-List of vloggers, evangelists, services that are repeatedly mentioned over and over Yahoo! Groups Links -- me: http://ryanedit.blogspot.com educate in person: http://nyc.node101.org educate online: http://freevlog.org videos i want you to see: http://revlog.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Haha, at least when mefeedia gets mentioned it's a boon for all... We need to keep focusing on driving traffic to everyone in the vlogosphere. Especially the newbies... and yeah even the porn stars. LOL! :) OK. maybe not the pornstars, unless of course you mean naked Verdi. Sorry, couldn't resist. :) -Mike On Dec 16, 2005, at 9:13 AM, petertheman wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be nice to hear about some new videobloggers in these articles. Yeah, totally. I think we need to start highlighting unknown vloggers on our blogs, send the love around :) I mentioned a few lesser known vlogs to the journalist when talking to them, but it doesn't seem like she included them in the article. And: Peter Van Dijck, who runs the mefeedia site, says that in past months the vlog boom has paralleled the increase in numbers of people switching from slower dial-up Internet connections to faster broadband connections. Well, that's not really what I said or meant, but oh well. I don't think there's been a boom in broadband connections specificaly in the past months :) Cheers! I'm off on a long holiday today, backpacking in Thailand for 5 weeks. Have fun vloggers. Peter Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
I didn't see FireAnt mentioned in those articles... though it would have been nice. Journalists repeat articles and press releases ad nauseum. That's just the way it is. Though I do think that the videoblogs we've seen metioned consistently are deserving of the attention they receive. I'm going to repeat this one till it get as popular as mundane is the new punk no one is entitled to an audience. -Josh On 12/16/05, ManCheeseMo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sure does get old reading what is basically the same article. My resolution for the New Year is to unsubscribe and boycott the following: Rocketboom, Garfield, Jay/Ryannne, Verdi and Josh Leo. None of them are great. Sure they're decent, but they sure don't deserve the hype over anyone else. Long live the underdogs. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christian Wach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16 Dec 2005, at 14:17, Michael Sullivan wrote: seems to be an A-List of vloggers, evangelists, services that are repeatedly mentioned over and over Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
I choose to think of it as selflessly promoting other vloggers. On Dec 16, 2005, at 1:10 PM, ManCheeseMo wrote: More shameless self-promotion by Garfield. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plus I sent her to Vlog Soup which highlights a lot of new vloggers each episode. http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/vlog_soup/index.html On Dec 16, 2005, at 9:05 AM, Devlon wrote: It would be nice to hear about some new videobloggers in these articles. --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. Yahoo! Groups Links --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/.QUssC/izNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
Wow how Did I get included here? I have been in one article by name once... just as much as people like Beth Agnew, Erin Nealy, Phil Hamilton, Serra Shiflet, Amy Carpenter, Josh Kopin and many more...better start adding them to your boycott list...I mean after all They all probably suck too huh? I do however think that BottomUnion should be in every article about vlogs because he is my favorite... Man-cheese where is your URL, I'm not as much of a boycotter as I am a viewer I want to subscribe to your content...On 12/16/05, ManCheeseMo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:It sure does get old reading what is basically the same article.My resolution for the New Year is to unsubscribe and boycott thefollowing: Rocketboom, Garfield, Jay/Ryannne, Verdi and Josh Leo.None of them are great.Sure they're decent, but they sure don'tdeserve the hype over anyone else. Long live the underdogs.-- Josh Leojoshleo.comstonefarm.blogspot.com joshspicks.blogspot.comvlogcats.blogspot.comwearethemedia.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
Again... was FireAnt mentioned in an article I'm not aware of? If it was, please send me a link. -josh On 12/16/05, ManCheeseMo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, how original. What exactly am I promoting? I don't even have a vlog to promote yet. My point is that the good ol' boy network gets old. If you are buddies with the FireANT crew or if you're one of the pre-populated vlogs, you'll get extra attention. There are people on this board that seem to have no job other than promoting themselves and their friends. IMHO, many in this group live inside a bubble where vlogging is everything to them. The funny part is that most people don't care to watch a person talk into a camera about mudane things. Just wait until the mass media catches on - then we'll really see how popular you are(n't). Maybe this is the new punk, but it is weak that the same people get all the hype when their content is no more creative than anyone else. They are just part of the in crowd (or should I say the self-promoting crowd). Just look how sensative they get when their power is questioned. To those: get a life, or better yet, a job. Watch, now one of the connected moderators will probably ban me from this group. Hasn't that happened to others who disgree with the cool people? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More shameless self-promotion by ManCheeseMo. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, ManCheeseMo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More shameless self-promotion by Garfield. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plus I sent her to Vlog Soup which highlights a lot of new vloggers each episode. http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/vlog_soup/index.html On Dec 16, 2005, at 9:05 AM, Devlon wrote: It would be nice to hear about some new videobloggers in these articles. --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
they are certainly doing great things, as are many others here i have been interviewed by several reporters and i always point out these folks and will continue to do so (and, yes, it is often the case that i don't end up in the article - BFD!) if you do anything as significant as they do, I'll probably mention you too. so far, i am not aware of any such thing mr. underdog ManCheeseMo wrote: It sure does get old reading what is basically the same article. My resolution for the New Year is to unsubscribe and boycott the following: Rocketboom, Garfield, Jay/Ryannne, Verdi and Josh Leo. None of them are great. Sure they're decent, but they sure don't deserve the hype over anyone else. Long live the underdogs. -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
I have a job, Will be graduating next week and then going full time...so there is my jobas for my life...Well I have a full and fulfilling life...oh yeah, I almost forgot. To the rest of the in-crowd: we have a meeting next weekend in NYC where we will be discussing self-promotion, ego-building, how to start hype about your crappy content, and how to make sure that newbies never get any attention at all. Please bring your in-crowd notebooks and magic rings. this is a private party...only the elite vloggers are allowed to attend (that means no Richard Show you talentless, un-funny little puke!)in conclusion...I like Nachos On 12/16/05, ManCheeseMo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To those: get a life, or better yet, a job.-- Josh Leojoshleo.comstonefarm.blogspot.com joshspicks.blogspot.comvlogcats.blogspot.comwearethemedia.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
wow i rember when some one was crying he missed the boat.. From: Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:30:19 -0500 I have a job, Will be graduating next week and then going full time...so there is my job as for my life...Well I have a full and fulfilling life... oh yeah, I almost forgot. To the rest of the in-crowd: we have a meeting next weekend in NYC where we will be discussing self-promotion, ego-building, how to start hype about your crappy content, and how to make sure that newbies never get any attention at all. Please bring your in-crowd notebooks and magic rings. this is a private party...only the elite vloggers are allowed to attend (that means no Richard Show you talentless, un-funny little puke!) in conclusion...I like Nachos On 12/16/05, ManCheeseMo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To those: get a life, or better yet, a job. -- Josh Leo joshleo.com stonefarm.blogspot.com joshspicks.blogspot.com vlogcats.blogspot.com wearethemedia.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
has it occurred to you that this *is* some people's job? sounds like sour grapes to me ManCheeseMo wrote: There are people on this board that seem to have no job other than promoting themselves and their friends. IMHO, many in this group live inside a bubble where vlogging is everything to them. The funny part is that most people don't care to watch a person talk into a camera about mudane things. Just wait until the mass media catches on - then we'll really see how popular you are(n't). Maybe this is the new punk, but it is weak that the same people get all the hype when their content is no more creative than anyone else. They are just part of the in crowd (or should I say the self-promoting crowd). Just look how sensative they get when their power is questioned. To those: get a life, or better yet, a job. -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
Empathy:http://joshleo.blogspot.com/2005/04/vlog-on-vlog.htmlOn 12/16/05, ManCheeseMo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:The reason I include FireANT is because of how they pre-populated their friends' vlogs.It feels like a cheap way to promote thein-crowd and rather unethical.And of course the comeback will be that the new directory is coming,but that has been said for months.Until the day it comes out, FireANT is still promoting those people.What does it take to remove those vlogs from the list and push outanother build?Probably very little work, but yet it was never done.--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Again... was FireAnt mentioned in an article I'm not aware of? If it was, please send me a link. -josh On 12/16/05, ManCheeseMo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, how original.What exactly am I promoting?I don't even have a vlog to promote yet. My point is that the good ol' boy network gets old.If you are buddies with the FireANT crew or if you're one of the pre-populated vlogs, you'll get extra attention. There are people on this board that seem to have no job other than promoting themselves and their friends. IMHO, many in this group live inside a bubble where vlogging is everything to them.The funny part is that most people don't care to watch a person talk into a camera about mudane things.Just wait until the mass media catches on - then we'll really see how popular you are(n't). Maybe this is the new punk, but it is weak that the same people get all the hype when their content is no more creative than anyone else. They are just part of the in crowd (or should I say the self-promoting crowd). Just look how sensative they get when their power is questioned. To those: get a life, or better yet, a job. Watch, now one of the connected moderators will probably ban me from this group.Hasn't that happened to others who disgree with the cool people?--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More shameless self-promotion by ManCheeseMo. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, ManCheeseMo[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More shameless self-promotion by Garfield. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plus I sent her to Vlog Soup which highlights a lot of newvloggers each episode. http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/vlog_soup/index.html On Dec 16, 2005, at 9:05 AM, Devlon wrote: It would be nice to hear about some new videobloggers in these articles. --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog- http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Josh Leojoshleo.comstonefarm.blogspot.com joshspicks.blogspot.comvlogcats.blogspot.comwearethemedia.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
ManCheeseMo wrote: Watch, now one of the connected moderators will probably ban me from this group. Hasn't that happened to others who disgree with the cool people? actually no you generally have to first violate the terms of use statements that you have agreed to -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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i thought jay was the vlogfather i could have sworn i saw a picture ;) ManCheeseMo wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Watkins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am glad there is no single 'Adam Curry' figure of the videoblogging world. Judging by the sensitivity and flames that can come out of such discussions by videobloggers on topics such as motive, fame, ego, money etc, I expect anybody trying to be 'the vodfather' would be reasted by the vlogosphere. Such things are better when diluted, when there are many vlog brothers and sisters doing such thing, not a single 'great leader'. HA! Wasn't Garfield just referred to as "The Vlogfather" in one of the recent articles? I'm sure that was his suggestion given his pompus footer about being like Paul Revere, leading this whole vlogging thing. I can't believe nobody else sees throught the egos. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
On Dec 16, 2005, at 2:09 PM, ManCheeseMo wrote: Uh, how original. What exactly am I promoting? I don't even have a vlog to promote yet. Therin is the problem and solution... Dude! you have to vlog! it's liberating. This perception you have of people promoting them and their friends... it a comunity... they support one another. There's nothing new under the sun there... They enjoy one another's videos and have for a very long time... it's part of simply participating... you alienate and exclude your self... we've all been there... those that whom have the biggest strongest opinions are the ones who need to vlog the most... it translates to good vlogging... I just mentioned joshs early a-list vlog rant... check it out! http:// joshleo.blogspot.com/2005/04/vlog-on-vlog.html We've all been there... but the lid is off the jar as they say... all you have to do is grab a camera and speak your mind... my I suggest a good rant on a-list vloggers! better yet how about the stupid press! They never get it right. :) -Mike Michael Meiser http://mmeiser.com/blog - fun stuff http://mmeiser.com/backchannel - del.icio.us link blog http://evilvlog.com - serious lunacy has a new domain http://mefeedia.com - I love mefeedia My point is that the good ol' boy network gets old. If you are buddies with the FireANT crew or if you're one of the pre-populated vlogs, you'll get extra attention. There are people on this board that seem to have no job other than promoting themselves and their friends. IMHO, many in this group live inside a bubble where vlogging is everything to them. The funny part is that most people don't care to watch a person talk into a camera about mudane things. Just wait until the mass media catches on - then we'll really see how popular you are(n't). Maybe this is the new punk, but it is weak that the same people get all the hype when their content is no more creative than anyone else. They are just part of the in crowd (or should I say the self-promoting crowd). Just look how sensative they get when their power is questioned. To those: get a life, or better yet, a job. Watch, now one of the connected moderators will probably ban me from this group. Hasn't that happened to others who disgree with the cool people? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More shameless self-promotion by ManCheeseMo. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, ManCheeseMo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More shameless self-promotion by Garfield. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plus I sent her to Vlog Soup which highlights a lot of new vloggers each episode. http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/vlog_soup/index.html On Dec 16, 2005, at 9:05 AM, Devlon wrote: It would be nice to hear about some new videobloggers in these articles. --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
you must be a mac user or you wouldn't bring this up I've used both mac and windows windows version comes with big list, mac with small mac was easier to start with i liked it that the list started small and then i grew it through my own discovery process I've got 233 feeds now in fireant, so i don't see the issue as to the ease of each and every little software change, it's a matter of priorities. obviously the directory has been a huge priority equally obvious is the lowering of priorities for any development team on things that will be obsoleted by soon to be released features and services - while the topic has been discussed here before, i don't recall anyone seriously crying about this until now and so i imagine the priority remained low seems pretty obvious to me that the fireant folks work mighty hard to deliver a fair and quality product ManCheeseMo wrote: The reason I include FireANT is because of how they pre-populated their friends' vlogs. It feels like a cheap way to promote the in-crowd and rather unethical. And of course the comeback will be that the new directory is coming, but that has been said for months. Until the day it comes out, FireANT is still promoting those people. What does it take to remove those vlogs from the list and push out another build? Probably very little work, but yet it was never done. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again... was FireAnt mentioned in an article I'm not aware of? If it was, please send me a link. -josh On 12/16/05, ManCheeseMo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, how original. What exactly am I promoting? I don't even have a vlog to promote yet. My point is that the "good ol' boy" network gets old. If you are buddies with the FireANT crew or if you're one of the pre-populated vlogs, you'll get extra attention. There are people on this board that seem to have no job other than promoting themselves and their friends. IMHO, many in this group live inside a bubble where vlogging is everything to them. The funny part is that most people don't care to watch a person talk into a camera about mudane things. Just wait until the mass media catches on - then we'll really see how popular you are(n't). Maybe this is the new punk, but it is weak that the same people get all the hype when their content is no more creative than anyone else. They are just part of the in crowd (or should I say the self-promoting crowd). Just look how sensative they get when their "power" is questioned. To those: get a life, or better yet, a job. Watch, now one of the connected moderators will probably ban me from this group. Hasn't that happened to others who disgree with the cool people? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More shameless self-promotion by ManCheeseMo. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "ManCheeseMo" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More shameless self-promotion by Garfield. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plus I sent her to Vlog Soup which highlights a lot of new vloggers each episode. http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/vlog_soup/index.html On Dec 16, 2005, at 9:05 AM, Devlon wrote: It would be nice to hear about some new videobloggers in these articles. --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL
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David Jr! I got an email from him self promoting himself this morning!:DAVIDJR.COM/TV SEASON 1 (7 episodes, running 27 minutes each) HOPE YOU ENJOY THE SHOW - I'D LOVE YOUR FEEDBACK - PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD!We had a nice little chat a few weeks back about his videosI gave him my feedback...he didn't want it after I supplied it... I'm glad we got rid of the anonymity...We obviously have some different thoughts about video... and he siad it himself a few weeks back something along the lines of Vlogging is not really my thing check out his videos...he has got a very unique style!http://davidjrcom.blogspot.com/-- Josh Leo joshleo.com stonefarm.blogspot.comjoshspicks.blogspot.com vlogcats.blogspot.comwearethemedia.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
You need to chill out man. Please read Steven Covey's 7 Habits of Highly Effective People where he says, Seek First To Understand. I DID NOT suggest to the reporter anything about being the vlogfather. Clark ov Saturn is that. Do some original research of your own. Contact the reporter. Listen to the interview tapes. On Dec 16, 2005, at 2:12 PM, ManCheeseMo wrote: HA! Wasn't Garfield just referred to as The Vlogfather in one of the recent articles? I'm sure that was his suggestion given his pompus footer about being like Paul Revere, leading this whole vlogging thing. I can't believe nobody else sees throught the egos. --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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i'm the vodfather. you can be the vlogfather.clark can be the Fredo.deal?On 12/16/05, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:You need to chill out man.Please read Steven Covey's 7 Habits of Highly Effective People where he says, Seek First To Understand.I DID NOT suggest to the reporter anything about being the vlogfather.Clark ov Saturn is that.Do some original research of your own.Contact the reporter. Listen to the interview tapes.On Dec 16, 2005, at 2:12 PM, ManCheeseMo wrote: HA!Wasn't Garfield just referred to as The Vlogfather in one of the recent articles?I'm sure that was his suggestion given his pompus footer about being like Paul Revere, leading this whole vlogging thing.I can't believe nobody else sees throught the egos.--Steve--Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog- http://stevegarfield.blogs.comText Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.comLike Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In an interview (podcast) with Michael Verdi, they talked about six different books on vlogging being in the works. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/ - Original Message - From: Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:47:07 +0100, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: speaking of the vloggy vastness... what up with the book of vlog? is that still being compiled? As far as I know it got picked up by a new publisher and is currently being (re)written. - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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no, actually i find the mac version much easier to use Susan wrote: *choke* Markus, did you just admit that something was better in the Windows version? :) Susan http://vlog.kitykity.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you must be a mac user or you wouldn't bring this up I've used both mac and windows windows version comes with big list, mac with small mac was easier to start with -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
On Dec 16, 2005, at 4:30 PM, ManCheeseMo wrote: I meant that FireANT could take the exising live build, strip it of the pre-populated feeds and release a 1.0b4 version. There would be no bugs that do not already exisit, which has nothing to do with the up and coming release. The only problem with that is that since their isn't a directory on Mac yet, your version wouldn't do anything when you first installed it. Might be confusing for a new user. -Verdi Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
snarkMaybe it could be populated it with Davidjr merchandise links? :-)/snarkWhat is the problem with people getting press for lots of hard work? What is the problem with having a set directory? I added my feed and several others quite easily, and it is just as simple to delete them. A seniority system is not necessarily a bad thing, especially in the early stages of development.This medium has developed so fast. I was looking at it late last year, or maybe even earlier this year, and it just wasn't there yet. Now it is ready to pop. Great thanks should be given to apple and iTunes for giving us this grand opportunity to foster change. Even more thanks should be given to all of the pioneers, teachers, techies, and cool people that have brought this revolution to a head.Get out and get in print. Say smart things. Help your friends and those you respect. Thanks a bunch. I can't wait to see where this goes...Ron Watsonhttp://k9disc.blip.tvhttp://k9disc.comhttp://pawsitivevybe.comOn Dec 16, 2005, at 5:30 PM, ManCheeseMo wrote: Not quite the idea. I meant that FireANT could take the exising live build, strip it of the pre-populated feeds and release a 1.0b4 version. There would be no bugs that do not already exisit, which has nothing to do with the up and coming release. Besides, the whole issue of pre-populated feeds was only used as an example of the bigger issue. And to your previous point about not having legs to stand on because I do not have a vlog of my own-- Does that mean you think that a viewer's opinions are less than a creators? Good luck with that. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's right--just because you have a crappy attitude about a member list in ant that was created months and months ago, let's push out a non-complete build that could possibly be buggy and turn away an audience that might really get into vlogging otherwise. Great idea. Susan http://vlog.kitykity.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Beautifully stated, Jonny. I'd put (b) in front of (a). I think those involved in teaching, linking, commenting, public speaking, writing books, creating aggregators,etc. deserve to get the most attention. I've noticed that Michael Verdi seems to be getting lost in the publicity rush. He and Ryanne are very special players because they taught many vloggers how to vlog through their Freevlog tutorials. Steve Garfield is slick, experienced and professional. With vlog soup, he mixes other vlogs into a more appetizing package (taking the best of each vlog to make a super-good whole). Obviously, doing a vlog for a politician that seemed to have played some part in an election is a vlogging application made-for-the-media. Ego is always at play with all of us. It doesn't even have to be something related to dreams of glory. It can be as simple as having a certain sense of integrity about your work which can be easily slighted with an off-the-cuff comment like the one directed at Josh Leo as being a college boy who vlogs about playing miniature gold while drunk...he's created a sizeable body of work that deserves a better description than that. KityKity is another popular vlogger who could be "dismissed" with a similar minimizing quote. Every vlogger should see that any reporter they deal with sees some of their "good" and compelling work. (KityKity did acharming vlog in which the billboards along the highway became min-screens (among others).) Jonny, you are someone who could come off in an article in any number of ways (all somewhat beyond your control)--as a serious educator and commentator and/or as a "silly comedian". The important thing is to learn as you go along. If one reporter slights you, just get up, keep going, shape your message a little differently and hope for better print the next time. Life doesn't start or end with getting your name in print. Famous today and forgotten tomorrow! Been there. Done that. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: jonny goldstein To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 2:18 PM Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging The first movers in any social network have an advantage overlatecomers. That said, there's a fair amount of vloggers who startedaround when the folks discussed here started, and they don't get asmuch attention. Why do these folks get more attention? For the most part:a) They crank out good videos often.b) They are deeply involved in the social aspects of videoblogging(teaching, linking, commenting, reviewing, writing vlog related books,doing vlog related public speaking, creating tools for the vlogcommunity, setting up forums for interaction, organizing conferences).c) And yes, journalists are looking for the biggest bang for the leasteffort, so once people get established as "good," there's a biastoward referencing them in news stories--it's easy, and does the jobfor the journalist. d) Since people can't do much about c) vloggers who are looking formedia glory should focus on doing a) and b). Or...e) Relax, get a life, make a few videos now and then, and not freakout about being a star. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Watkins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fail to see any purpose in boycotting anything, how would it change the issue? I suppose its natural that some will get annoyed with stuff they consider 'overexposed', but I dont think a solution has to be negative, I do not think this is a case where the 'old guard' are standing in the way of new videoblogs receiving attention, thats one of the benefits of videoblogging after all. I think its actually gone better than could be expected so far, very few examples of people coming along and trying to build their own hype via the shortcut of taking credit from the people who have actually helped build the scene. I am glad there is no single 'Adam Curry' figure of the videoblogging world. Judging by the sensitivity and flames that can come out of such discussions by videobloggers on topics such as motive, fame, ego, money etc, I expect anybody trying to be 'the vodfather' would be reasted by the vlogosphere. Such things are better when diluted, when there are many vlog brothers and sisters doing such thing, not a single 'great leader'. I am also interested in the fact that there seems to be quite a divide between videoblogs that are well promoted in mainstream media and various websites, and those video podcasts which are promoted via itunes. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "ManCheeseMo" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sure does get old reading what is basically the same article. My
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
Uh not to flog a dead horse but I remember some time back when Josh Leo loudly said the same thing...same song, same arugement. Is this something that should be addressed? I do not know the complete tift here but reading Manchessemo's complaint here has been metioned numerous times. Why is this? does it put a black eye the promotion of videoblogging? Do arugements like this leave a bad taste in peoples mouths? With this new "media" are people struggling to stay at the top? and in the mean time does this stiffle the creativity? has it created a hierarchary instead of a anarchy? as a particpant (since August 2004) and observer it seems that it's not making the most positive impression.I am open to any honest and or creative disscussion. If you want to email me to mention any personal feelings I welcome that also. Mick ManCheeseMo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, how original. What exactly am I promoting? I don't even have a vlog to promote yet. My point is that the "good ol' boy" network gets old. If you are buddies with the FireANT crew or if you're one of the pre-populated vlogs, you'll get extra attention. There are people on this board that seem to have no job other than promoting themselves and their friends. IMHO, many in this group live inside a bubble where vlogging is everything to them. The funny part is that most people don't care to watch a person talk into a camera about mudane things. Just wait until the mass media catches on - then we'll really see how popular you are(n't). Maybe this is the new punk, but it is weak that the same people get all the hype when their content is no more creative than anyone else. They are just part of the in crowd (or should I say the self-promoting crowd). Just look how sensative they get when their "power" is questioned. To those: get a life, or better yet, a job. Watch, now one of the connected moderators will probably ban me from this group. Hasn't that happened to others who disgree with the cool people? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More shameless self-promotion by ManCheeseMo.--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "ManCheeseMo" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More shameless self-promotion by Garfield. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plus I sent her to Vlog Soup which highlights a lot of new vloggers each episode. http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/vlog_soup/index.htmlOn Dec 16, 2005, at 9:05 AM, Devlon wrote: It would be nice to hear about some new videobloggers in these articles.--Steve-- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.comVideo Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.comText Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.comLike Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Although I haven't followed this thread from the start... I do have to agree that ManCheeseMo has a point although it seems somewhat misguided. I do imagine that FireANT's pre-loaded set of the first wave vloggers did provide them with a leg-up in building an audience. I don't consider this something to complain about, but it is probably true. However, this phenomena is not what is contributing to the good ol' boy network in regards to coverage by the mainstream press. Nor is it their active involvement in this group and videoblogging as a whole which may be part of it and to be commended. The real reason that the same group of people are always highlighted by the mainstream press is that the mainstream press are lazy journalists. Some editor somewhere tells their reporter, I want you do to a story on videoblogging. Now rather than looking for sources to talk about videoblogging by looking around the net, the writer is far more likely to pull up a Lexus-Nexus search on videoblogging or video podcasting -- and use the exact same sources for her article as the one previous. This is one of the dominant reasons that the same vloggers are frequently profiled. To give you an example, I was interviewed about Current TV prior to the launch by Salon magazine. This article prompted the AP, Knight Ridder, The Wall Street Journal, TIME and others to contact me and inquire about my thoughts on Current TV. Josh http://www.joshwolf.net On Dec 16, 2005, at 11:09 AM, ManCheeseMo wrote: Uh, how original. What exactly am I promoting? I don't even have a vlog to promote yet. My point is that the good ol' boy network gets old. If you are buddies with the FireANT crew or if you're one of the pre-populated vlogs, you'll get extra attention. There are people on this board that seem to have no job other than promoting themselves and their friends. IMHO, many in this group live inside a bubble where vlogging is everything to them. The funny part is that most people don't care to watch a person talk into a camera about mudane things. Just wait until the mass media catches on - then we'll really see how popular you are(n't). Maybe this is the new punk, but it is weak that the same people get all the hype when their content is no more creative than anyone else. They are just part of the in crowd (or should I say the self-promoting crowd). Just look how sensative they get when their power is questioned. To those: get a life, or better yet, a job. Watch, now one of the connected moderators will probably ban me from this group. Hasn't that happened to others who disgree with the cool people? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More shameless self-promotion by ManCheeseMo. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, ManCheeseMo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More shameless self-promotion by Garfield. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plus I sent her to Vlog Soup which highlights a lot of new vloggers each episode. http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/vlog_soup/index.html On Dec 16, 2005, at 9:05 AM, Devlon wrote: It would be nice to hear about some new videobloggers in these articles. --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links Don't hate the media, become the media.- Jello Biafra Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
On Dec 16, 2005, at 7:09 PM, Josh Wolf wrote: To give you an example, I was interviewed about Current TV prior to the launch by Salon magazine. This article prompted the AP, Knight Ridder, The Wall Street Journal, TIME and others to contact me and inquire about my thoughts on Current TV. Exactly. After this weekend's article in the NY Times a reporter for our local daily paper contacted me. She was very excited about that article and was interested in contacting all the people mentioned. Anyway she came to NODE101 and talked to me for a long time but got real defensive the more I talked about circumventing the corporate media. I guess that's not the story she wanted for the business section. She seemed a lot more interested in the whole TV stardom on $20 a day thing. Verdi -- Me: http://michaelverdi.com RD: http://graymattergravy.com Learn to videoblog: http://freevlog.org Learn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging
Actually Verdi if she was writing for the business section, the hook might be a little more econ-orientated than TV Stardom with $20 a day -- more like, promote your product to the internet using this handy dandy new thing called a vlog I'm surprised Keven Tredau's website doesn't feature a videoblog... Josh On Dec 16, 2005, at 5:21 PM, Verdi wrote: On Dec 16, 2005, at 7:09 PM, Josh Wolf wrote: To give you an example, I was interviewed about Current TV prior to the launch by Salon magazine. This article prompted the AP, Knight Ridder, The Wall Street Journal, TIME and others to contact me and inquire about my thoughts on Current TV. Exactly. After this weekend's article in the NY Times a reporter for our local daily paper contacted me. She was very excited about that article and was interested in contacting all the people mentioned. Anyway she came to NODE101 and talked to me for a long time but got real defensive the more I talked about circumventing the corporate media. I guess that's not the story she wanted for the business section. She seemed a lot more interested in the whole TV stardom on $20 a day thing. Verdi -- Me: http://michaelverdi.com RD: http://graymattergravy.com Learn to videoblog: http://freevlog.org Learn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into to peace. Power to the peaceful! Spearhead - Bomb the World Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
