Fucking forget it Andrew. You don't get it. You don't seem to want
to get it. I doubt you ever will get it. This thread has truly
become a comedy of your inability to even conceive that people could
read your words and get from them something other than what you
intended.
-Verdi
On No
Ok, well maybe this fresh attack comes in the hopes that you would
get me to breakdown and defend myself again. All I can say then is
that technically, your logic is not applicable because you make it
seem as though I have been hitting you or something. All I said to
you Verdi is that you a
On Nov 21, 2005, at 11:14 AM, andrew michael baron wrote:
> I still don't see any justification for all the backlash against
> Amanda and myself right now.
On Nov 21, 2005, at 12:25 PM, David Meade wrote:
> I'm not sure what backlash you are getting Andrew, but I think Verdi
> is taking excepti
I think the source of frustration is that historical posts (on both
sides of the fence) seem to justify their choice of audience by
implying it is somehow superior to others. That's not really the case
... they are just different options.
The frustration comes when posts imply that a vlog is eith
On Nov 21, 2005, at 10:31 AM, Ronen wrote:This is the funnest thread ever.RonenI'm feeling like I have a major hangover and don't really think its funny at all, especially because I don't drink. I apologize for being offensive, it's what I always do whenever I get REALLY defensive. I have been on
This is the funnest thread ever.
Ronen
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Oy, this whole conversation is like an exercise in not being able to
see the forest for the trees.
I think any difference really comes down to intended audience.
Rocketboom is trying to reach a different audience than many other
videoblogs. So far it has been successful in this regard. In doing s
Holy Crap
I just got back for a weekend in chicago without checking my e-mail
(doing a meet the vloggers in Chicago) and Found this thread!!!
what craziness has ensued...this was a very heated thread...still warm...
Well it was fun being in chicago talking about video blogging...(and
promoti
> I still wish and anticipate and can't wait to see more applied use of
> this medium in the world beyond making friends and showing each other
> their naked bodies and bodily excretions.
i do truely believe that these videos will and have boosted
my and verdi's personal celebrity status(es?)
ht
And so it seemed, as I said before before you even came to this post.
On Nov 20, 2005, at 3:20 PM, Verdi wrote:
> Again, dismissive and patronizing. What arrogance.
> I guess we're done here.
> Verdi
>
>
> On Nov 20, 2005, at 2:13 PM, andrew michael baron wrote:
>
>> Yes, and once again, even th
Again, dismissive and patronizing. What arrogance.
I guess we're done here.
Verdi
On Nov 20, 2005, at 2:13 PM, andrew michael baron wrote:
> Yes, and once again, even though you rip this all out of context, so
> be it. I stand behind all of these statements even as fragments. Its
> absolutely t
Yes, and once again, even though you rip this all out of context, so
be it. I stand behind all of these statements even as fragments. Its
absolutely true that the majority of the videobloggers out there,
including yourself, are exactly this way - using videoblogging "to
share my life and me
Here's the deal as I see it Andrew,
You'll almost always qualify your statements with something to the
effect that individual, diary type videoblogging is good and
important but then at the same time you say something really
patronizing and dismissive about it which negates the former. Here
Wow! I missed this whole discussion up to this point. I have to now catch up. I enjoy the full spectrum of what is going on in the vlogosphere from personal vlogs to more themed vlogs. I tend to lean towards the themed approach myself as it appeals more to my senses. I'll be unveiling a new vlog
On Nov 19, 2005, at 1:31 PM, Verdi wrote:
>
> I'm referring to how you have on a number of occasions (recently
> even) made statements about how most everyone who videoblogs just
> does a personal diary kind of thing
Thats true. So what?
> and how you don't understand why
> more people don't
On Nov 19, 2005, at 12:15 PM, andrew michael baron wrote:
> No, I was talking about Josh. He is a unique individual and I think
> he has one of the most spirited uses of a videoblog I have seen. When
> I look around at videobloggers, I do not see sameness. I see people.
I'm referring to how you h
On Nov 19, 2005, at 12:12 PM, andrew michael baron wrote:
> Is this videoblogging list topic? Someone tell me if we have
> transcended, I'm not sure. Seriously.
I think the discussion of why people videoblog is very on topic.
On Nov 19, 2005, at 12:12 PM, andrew michael baron wrote:
> On Nov 19,
On Nov 19, 2005, at 1:03 PM, Verdi wrote:
>
>
> You said that looking at Josh's videoblog as a whole one could
> conclude that his intent was personal celebrity. Since a great many
> videobloggers could be described as doing essentially the same thing
> as Josh, myself included, I took it to mea
On Nov 19, 2005, at 1:07 PM, Verdi wrote:
>
> Maybe Josh will say so one way or another here but for me, judging by
> his bemused (and polite) response to your accusation about personal
> celebrity I'd say I wasn't taking it out of context.
>
> -Verdi
>
I would suggest that while this in no way
On Nov 19, 2005, at 12:01 PM, andrew michael baron wrote:
> Verdi, you came to this post with a hypothesis and you stripped out
> of context fragments to support your claims.
On Nov 19, 2005, at 9:15 AM, Josh Leo wrote:
> HaHa!! What does that even mean? "personal celebrity" I guess we
> have
On Nov 19, 2005, at 11:47 AM, andrew michael baron wrote:
>
> On Nov 19, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Verdi wrote:
>
>
>> Why can't they be
>> doing it to document their lives or to connect with friends and
>> family?
>>
>
> Why they can and I think that is great! Show me where I said they
> they coudlnt?
In (my) conclusion, I'm seeing a lot of really horrible backlash from
people lately and its a bummer because I don't find any reason behind
the inferences that people are making. It reminds me of how the
"media" likes to reshape and reformat what they see into their own
hypothesis.
Verdi,
On Nov 19, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Verdi wrote:
> It seems to me
> that you throw around these comments (this one and others in the
> past) about individuals videoblogging as if what they (we) are doing
> is less valid, less bloggy, and now, it seems, to advance our own
> personal celebrity as if we w
On Nov 19, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Verdi wrote:
> , couldn't someone make a case that
> Rocketboom is a vehicle to enhance Amanda's personal celebrity
> thereby hopefully producing offers of acting jobs?
Yes, in fact that is one of the many elements to what we are doing.
There are so many I wont at
On Nov 19, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Verdi wrote:
> Are you saying that anyone who publishes a blog, podcast or
> videoblog that contains information about their lives is aiming for
> personal celebrity?
Eh, no. Did you see something?
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On Nov 19, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Verdi wrote:
> On Nov 19, 2005, at 8:48 AM, andrew michael baron wrote:
>
>> your videoblogging activity does not include fair use because your
>> intent is the pursuit of personal celebrity.
>
> Why is it that you seem to think that individuals that videoblog are
>
On Nov 19, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Verdi wrote:
> Why can't they be
> doing it to document their lives or to connect with friends and
> family?
Why they can and I think that is great! Show me where I said they
they coudlnt? Ir even implied?
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On Nov 19, 2005, at 8:48 AM, andrew michael baron wrote:
> your videoblogging activity does not include fair use because your
> intent is the pursuit of personal celebrity.
Why is it that you seem to think that individuals that videoblog are
doing it in the pursuit of personal celebrity? Why
The case of the stolen identity; innocent bystander sues videoblogger
for internet distribution. Quote the prosecutor: "Exhibit A. The
defendant, Josh Leo's description of his videoblogging activity:
On Nov 19, 2005, at 10:15 AM, Josh Leo wrote:
> I was just making friends and sharing my life
On 11/19/05, andrew michael baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I would assume Josh that
someone could make the claim from looking through your videoblog that,
as a whole, your videoblogging activity does not include fair use
because your intent is the pursuit of personal celebrity.
HaHa!! What d
Fair use guidelines are used to determine what is okay and what is not. Its a gray area to some degree. 'Having been worried about this same question, esp here in NYC where it is almost impossible NOT to capture someone else, surprisingly, I have found that when "news gathering", or creating "par
so this brings up an interesting question (that i believe has been
discussed here but no solid answers have been given) I know it is
different for each country, but Gabe, and Nathan Peters have both run
into police/civil workers saying that they do not want to be recorded...
What are our rights
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