Re: [videoblogging] Stickam Re-Revolutionizes Video Blogging
Need participants. Please. This is only one week old. Please go to my site to see and hear me live http://FutureMedia.org -- Taylor Barcroft New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Podcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 barcroft (gizmo) kungax (Skype) kungag5 (iChat-AIM) On Mar 11, 2006, at 3:01 PM, Kunga wrote: http://stickam.com be there or be NOT LIVE. Click on my URL below and see and hear me LIVE NOW. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Stickam Re-Revolutionizes Video Blogging
Pretty choppy.On 3/11/06, Kunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Need participants. Please. This is only one week old. Please go to my site to see and hear me live http://FutureMedia.org -- Taylor Barcroft New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Podcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 barcroft (gizmo) kungax (Skype) kungag5 (iChat-AIM) On Mar 11, 2006, at 3:01 PM, Kunga wrote: http://stickam.com be there or be NOT LIVE. Click on my URL below and see and hear me LIVE NOW. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- ~DevlonBlog: http://devlond.blogspot.com | http://loadedpun.comVlog: http://8bitme.blogspot.comhttp://mefeedia.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Stickam Videoblogging chatroom (videoconferencing)
It would be nice if we could set it up to be private somehow. Everytime I go in there I get random people calling me babe. Some stranger's naked torso first thing in the morning was a little much (let's keep our orgies just for us bona fide videobloggers!). On 2/16/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've created a videoblogging room under Chatroom tab athttp://www.stickam.com. The chat room is private with the PASSWORD:vlogThen click the Enter this room link. It is listed under the Computers Internet section.The link tothe stickam Chat Rooms is:http://www.stickam.com/editChatRoom.do?method=loadroomId=17011 The chat rooms also have video and audio conferencing similar to theflashconference meetings except everyone interacts simultaneously.Beaware there is a delay between receiving video and a CB like approach may be best (over, pause).I'm pretty sure it uses the sameMacromedia technology of the Flash Media Server that Flash Meetingappears to use.Feel free to use this area to setup, whenever needed, meetings and conferences on videoblogging (or just chat amongst yourselves ;) .)-- Enric-==-http://www.cirne.comDetermine Media Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal) www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] stickam
I think we can respectfully make suggestions regarding how some vloggers view the set of needs for video publishing however IMHO we should not tell them how to run their businesses. If a host wants to show their logo or use Flash it's their business decision, it doesn't make them bad or evil, the way I see it they can do whatever they want. Same for anyone. I'm intrigued by how successful these new Flash hosting companies are doing, look at the youtube growth figures, look at how cool the vsocial flash is, look at what Rodrigo is cooking up, look at the media deals Brightcove is doing. So why again is Flash is bad? I just posted a streaming flash of Jakob and James from one of our shoots and though I prolly overcompressed this web clip I'm liking the usability factor. On Feb 15, 2006, at 5:16 PM, Jay dedman wrote: ...We want to make sure companies treat us and our work with respect. This is the biggest worry I see with these new Flash hosting companies... they think becasue they give free hosting...they can do whatever they want with it. put on logos...lock it on a page...etc. Free hosting is not enough. Following Creative Commons Licensing is very important so we can create a true remix culture. if its all just streaming Flash...id be very worried. Jay
Re: [videoblogging] stickam
I'll hang out in the Node 101 chatroom for a while, if anyone's around...On 2/16/06, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/16/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm intrigued by how successful these new Flash hosting companies aredoing, look at the youtube growth figures, look at how cool the vsocialflash is, look at what Rodrigo is cooking up, look at the media deals Brightcove is doing.Can you point me to those youtube figures?-- best regards,Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) -- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] stickam
We have a chat room!?On 2/16/06, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll hang out in the Node 101 chatroom for a while, if anyone's around...-- Me: http://michaelverdi.comRD: http://evilvlog.comLearn to videoblog: http://freevlog.orgLearn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] stickam
http://stickam.com/editChatRoom.do?method=loadroomId=170594616 - see if that link works On 2/16/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have a chat room!?On 2/16/06, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll hang out in the Node 101 chatroom for a while, if anyone's around...-- Me: http://michaelverdi.comRD: http://evilvlog.comLearn to videoblog: http://freevlog.orgLearn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] stickam
Also check out http://beginningwithi.com/vlog/livecam.htmlOn 2/16/06, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://stickam.com/editChatRoom.do?method=loadroomId=170594616 - see if that link works On 2/16/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have a chat room!?On 2/16/06, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll hang out in the Node 101 chatroom for a while, if anyone's around...-- Me: http://michaelverdi.comRD: http://evilvlog.comLearn to videoblog: http://freevlog.orgLearn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- best regards,Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) -- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] stickam
this might help: http://snipurl.com/mmv3> On Feb 16, 2006, at 3:53 AM, Deirdre Straughan wrote: On 2/16/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm intrigued by how successful these new Flash hosting companies are doing, look at the youtube growth figures, look at how cool the vsocial flash is, look at what Rodrigo is cooking up, look at the media deals Brightcove is doing. Can you point me to those youtube figures? -- best regards, Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com (personal) www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] stickam
Yeah, it's undisputed here, Fireant's the dog's bollocks of aggregators. I'm suggesting we invite the innovators into the conversation, from the outside it looks like the Stickam peeps are on the ball and have ideas and tech know how. Let's get them in here and talk. Just because NIH it'ss no reason to not think they can help help expand the vlogging universe. It's not about business competition, is it? The point is they are hosting video and have have a nice interface. Dierdre (hi Dierdre) pointed out in another mail she was having trouble uploading to them but thought well of their interface, let's give them feedback. I really like youtube, vsocial, audioblog, vpod.tv, blip.tv, vimeo, youare.tv (an others I'm forgetting to mention here) and the Archive, but why not have more choices? Stickam is just launching yesterday (or today?) and probably working out their strategy as are probably some of the others. Nothing is perfect yet. Can't we be constructive instead of dismissive? Let's give them a chance too. Do Stickcam even know about this group? Let's invite them and see if they can help progress the videoblogging effort. What do you say? (and again, I wasn't dissing Fireant in the previous email, it's only that I'm newly finding I like to visit the blogs of the peeps posting and see their work in context). On Feb 14, 2006, at 9:59 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: ... FireAnt is a great tool for consuming lots of video from distributed sources. I'm not just saying that because I'm one of the creators. ... your question had to do with whether Stickam had value to videoblogging, i still don't believe it does. For other applications, maybe so. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] stickam
i agree with josh except for this statement:If I have to come to your website to watch it, then it ain't really distributing. depends how you look at 'distributing content'. i tend to look at it from a more loose and general side. web publishing and blogging are a form of content distribution. it may not be sending the content direct to an individual (email, rss reader, p2p client, client/server app etc) but its out there and has been distributed to the web... where anyone can consume it. music labels distribute music on CD and are offered for purchase at stores. you have to go to the store to get it. films are distributed on film and dvd etc... you have to go to a theatre or to a store to consume the content. 'distribution' doesnt strictly mean direct-to-consumer-on-demand. and 'experience' doesnt necessarily degrade if the consumption is done via the web. i think you may be underestimating the big picture of networked media. it's not all about aggregation.sullOn 2/14/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now to argue my point from the other side... This may be a greatservice for some people. The basic step of putting video on a website can be solved in a number of ways. This may be a nice widget for doingjust that.But your question was if this service had any value to videobloggers.To that question, my answer is no. It has little if any relationship to videoblogging other than it being a way to embed a clip on my blogsidebar... that's about it. But as for distrbution of media, I don'treally see it there. If I have to come to your website to watch it,then it ain't really distributing. -JoshOn 2/14/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have any use for services that take freedom away from the creator. If I put my video in their service, can I get it back? They turn it into Flash, where does my original go? Can I really distribute it using the shared standards of the blogosphere like RSS. Put it this way, why don't I post every text blog entry as a read-only PDF *and* disallow anyone to download that document. That doesn't really help people distribute media. -Josh On 2/14/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: josh -- yeah, the widget is cool. and they host video, audio and stills (i.e. services for distributing media). is your problem with it the fact it's video is flash flv or arfe you unsupportive for another reason?-- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively my vlog: http://r.24x7.com good deal : http://foo.24x7.com On Feb 14, 2006, at 2:11 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: I don't see how this is helpful to videoblogging. Its a nice widget that i can stick on a webpage... seems more useful to MySpace, Ebay Auctions, Craigslist pages... stuff like that, but has little to do with distribution of media and the supporting the shared standards of the blogosphere. -josh On 2/13/06, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/13/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey allJust came across a new service called stickam. http://www.stickam.com/stickam.jspIn adition to hosting, they have a live streaming (flash) scheme where you throw an object in your sidebar and broadcast live.Is there any value for a vlogger to use their service? -- cheers rDeconstructing the status quo, collaboratively my vlog: http://r.24x7.com good deal : http://foo.24x7.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Ted Tagami Principal, Universus Networks U N I V E R S U S . N E T SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- - - - - Sullhttp://vlogdir.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the
Re: [videoblogging] stickam
FireAnt is still the only aggregator around that supports playback of FLV not all aggregators are desktop aggregators that download media. aggregation does not have to mean that. aggregation is also mefeedia and vlogdir etc... and if you bundle all aggregator services, then fireant is not the first to support flv ;-) On 2/14/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm open to FLV... that's not what is being discussed here. DoesStickam distribute the FLV files? It doesn't look like it does...FireAnt is still the only aggregator around that supports playback ofFLV (not many people choose to implement FLash in such a distributable way though... usually Flash is used to lock content onto the pageinstead of letting it flow and become distributed).FireAnt also supports direct links back to the blog source forcommenting and keeps all the RSS information in tact (unlike iTunes), so I don't really get your comments there about disjointedness.Like I said, different tools support different user behaviors. FireAntis a great tool for consuming lots of video from distributed sources. I'm not just saying that because I'm one of the creators. I'm sayingthat because its not uncommon for our users to be subscribed to 50-100different video feeds.Hey, diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks... your question had to do with whether Stickam had value to videoblogging, i still don't believeit does. For other applications, maybe so.-joshOn 2/14/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's interesting. I find the experience of viewing a video within the original blog entry more satisfying than moving that video into an off-line state divorced from the host. When you break the vlog like that you're unable to comment, you have disconnected the media. You can argue all you want about distribution meaning put it on a disconnected device but I call bullsh*t. It's completely valid to use flv for distribution, in fact I'd argue it's more valid since it forces the media to remain connected to the source. Now you know I've tried Fireant on mac (and sent a donation:) from early on and support your company's goal, however I think we all need to encourage others to participate and develop tools, not dismiss their efforts so quickly. I'm not using Fireant any longer, the experience is not producing any gain for me. That said, I'm not against it and might come around to using it again at some point, but vlogs feels disconnected there. It looks like a good tool for transferring media to portable devices, but when that happens the vloggyness is no more. Please don't take this as a dis to Fireant, it isn't. Just my $0.02 today. Let's encourage participation, let's be constructive when we see TOS items we would like to have a conversation about, let's be open to flv and connected vlogging, let's think about the social opportunities for vlogging. That's why I'm always asking questions and interested in hearing about new services. -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively my vlog: http://r.24x7.com good deal : http://foo.24x7.com On Feb 14, 2006, at 3:23 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: ...But as for distrbution of media, I don't really see it there. If I have to come to your website to watch it, then it ain't really distributing. -Josh Yahoo! Groups LinksYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- - - - - Sullhttp://vlogdir.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] stickam
this is a cool app actually.i also want to point out again... thing slike vsocial.com and its VideoRoll tool. Its great and IS beneficial to the vlogosphere... along with other vsocial tools. i am also working on a similar feature, using RSS, flv and a flash player... playlists/channels multimedia wrapping etc slow but sure ;-)sullOn 2/14/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey allJust came across a new service called stickam.http://www.stickam.com/stickam.jspIn adition to hosting, they have a live streaming (flash) scheme where you throw an object in your sidebar and broadcast live.Is there any value for a vlogger to use their service?--cheersrDeconstructing the status quo, collaborativelymy vlog: http://r.24x7.comgood deal : http://foo.24x7.comYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- - - - - Sullhttp://vlogdir.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] stickam
I'm suggesting we invite the innovators into the conversation, from the outside it looks like the Stickam peeps are on the ball and have ideas and tech know how. agreed. we should invite all new technology makers to this group. i bet many of them are/have been here, but lurking. Anyway we can draw them into a conversation is important. Let's get them in here and talk. Just because NIH it'ss no reason to not think they can help help expand the vlogging universe. It's not about business competition, is it? yep..it shouldnt be about business competition...not in this group. This should be about getting the best tools for us creators. We want to make sure companies treat us and our work with respect. This is the biggest worry I see with these new Flash hosting companies... they think becasue they give free hosting...they can do whatever they want with it. put on logos...lock it on a page...etc. Free hosting is not enough. Following Creative Commons Licensing is very important so we can create a true remix culture. if its all just streaming Flash...id be very worried. Jay Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] stickam
obviously I meant desktop aggregator.We also have a web-based aggregator... http://FireAnt.tv-JoshOn 2/15/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FireAnt is still the only aggregator around that supports playback of FLV not all aggregators are desktop aggregators that download media. aggregation does not have to mean that. aggregation is also mefeedia and vlogdir etc... and if you bundle all aggregator services, then fireant is not the first to support flv ;-) On 2/14/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm open to FLV... that's not what is being discussed here. DoesStickam distribute the FLV files? It doesn't look like it does...FireAnt is still the only aggregator around that supports playback ofFLV (not many people choose to implement FLash in such a distributable way though... usually Flash is used to lock content onto the pageinstead of letting it flow and become distributed).FireAnt also supports direct links back to the blog source forcommenting and keeps all the RSS information in tact (unlike iTunes), so I don't really get your comments there about disjointedness.Like I said, different tools support different user behaviors. FireAntis a great tool for consuming lots of video from distributed sources. I'm not just saying that because I'm one of the creators. I'm sayingthat because its not uncommon for our users to be subscribed to 50-100different video feeds.Hey, diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks... your question had to do with whether Stickam had value to videoblogging, i still don't believeit does. For other applications, maybe so.-joshOn 2/14/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's interesting. I find the experience of viewing a video within the original blog entry more satisfying than moving that video into an off-line state divorced from the host. When you break the vlog like that you're unable to comment, you have disconnected the media. You can argue all you want about distribution meaning put it on a disconnected device but I call bullsh*t. It's completely valid to use flv for distribution, in fact I'd argue it's more valid since it forces the media to remain connected to the source. Now you know I've tried Fireant on mac (and sent a donation:) from early on and support your company's goal, however I think we all need to encourage others to participate and develop tools, not dismiss their efforts so quickly. I'm not using Fireant any longer, the experience is not producing any gain for me. That said, I'm not against it and might come around to using it again at some point, but vlogs feels disconnected there. It looks like a good tool for transferring media to portable devices, but when that happens the vloggyness is no more. Please don't take this as a dis to Fireant, it isn't. Just my $0.02 today. Let's encourage participation, let's be constructive when we see TOS items we would like to have a conversation about, let's be open to flv and connected vlogging, let's think about the social opportunities for vlogging. That's why I'm always asking questions and interested in hearing about new services. -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively my vlog: http://r.24x7.com good deal : http://foo.24x7.com On Feb 14, 2006, at 3:23 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: ...But as for distrbution of media, I don't really see it there. If I have to come to your website to watch it, then it ain't really distributing. -Josh Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- - - - - Sull http://vlogdir.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] stickam
yes, obviously. many people on this listjust clarifying for the collective. ;-)On 2/15/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: obviously I meant desktop aggregator.We also have a web-based aggregator... http://FireAnt.tv-Josh On 2/15/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FireAnt is still the only aggregator around that supports playback of FLV not all aggregators are desktop aggregators that download media. aggregation does not have to mean that. aggregation is also mefeedia and vlogdir etc... and if you bundle all aggregator services, then fireant is not the first to support flv ;-) On 2/14/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm open to FLV... that's not what is being discussed here. DoesStickam distribute the FLV files? It doesn't look like it does...FireAnt is still the only aggregator around that supports playback ofFLV (not many people choose to implement FLash in such a distributable way though... usually Flash is used to lock content onto the pageinstead of letting it flow and become distributed).FireAnt also supports direct links back to the blog source forcommenting and keeps all the RSS information in tact (unlike iTunes), so I don't really get your comments there about disjointedness.Like I said, different tools support different user behaviors. FireAntis a great tool for consuming lots of video from distributed sources. I'm not just saying that because I'm one of the creators. I'm sayingthat because its not uncommon for our users to be subscribed to 50-100different video feeds.Hey, diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks... your question had to do with whether Stickam had value to videoblogging, i still don't believeit does. For other applications, maybe so.-joshOn 2/14/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's interesting. I find the experience of viewing a video within the original blog entry more satisfying than moving that video into an off-line state divorced from the host. When you break the vlog like that you're unable to comment, you have disconnected the media. You can argue all you want about distribution meaning put it on a disconnected device but I call bullsh*t. It's completely valid to use flv for distribution, in fact I'd argue it's more valid since it forces the media to remain connected to the source. Now you know I've tried Fireant on mac (and sent a donation:) from early on and support your company's goal, however I think we all need to encourage others to participate and develop tools, not dismiss their efforts so quickly. I'm not using Fireant any longer, the experience is not producing any gain for me. That said, I'm not against it and might come around to using it again at some point, but vlogs feels disconnected there. It looks like a good tool for transferring media to portable devices, but when that happens the vloggyness is no more. Please don't take this as a dis to Fireant, it isn't. Just my $0.02 today. Let's encourage participation, let's be constructive when we see TOS items we would like to have a conversation about, let's be open to flv and connected vlogging, let's think about the social opportunities for vlogging. That's why I'm always asking questions and interested in hearing about new services. -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively my vlog: http://r.24x7.com good deal : http://foo.24x7.com On Feb 14, 2006, at 3:23 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: ...But as for distrbution of media, I don't really see it there. If I have to come to your website to watch it, then it ain't really distributing. -Josh Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- - - - - Sull http://vlogdir.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- - - - - Sullhttp://vlogdir.com SPONSORED LINKS
Re: [videoblogging] stickam
Not a good user experience so far. The site looks nice and bright and clean, but... I did all the usual stuff (so BORED of filling in profile information...), uploaded a short video. They want avi, mov, wmv, 3gp, or mpeg. Fortunately, I have a MOV version of my trailer. Unfortunately, it Failed to convert - no further explanation given. Thanks, guys. Yet another waste of my time. Well, they do say officially launching tomorrow, so maybe whatever problem will be fixed by then. If I remember to go back and have a look. -- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] stickam
josh -- yeah, the widget is cool. and they host video, audio and stills (i.e. services for distributing media). is your problem with it the fact it's video is flash flv or arfe you unsupportive for another reason? -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively my vlog: http://r.24x7.com good deal : http://foo.24x7.com On Feb 14, 2006, at 2:11 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: I don't see how this is helpful to videoblogging. Its a nice widget that i can stick on a webpage... seems more useful to MySpace, Ebay Auctions, Craigslist pages... stuff like that, but has little to do with distribution of media and the supporting the shared standards of the blogosphere. -josh On 2/13/06, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 2/13/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hey all Just came across a new service called stickam. http://www.stickam.com/stickam.jsp In adition to hosting, they have a live streaming (flash) scheme where you throw an object in your sidebar and broadcast live. Is there any value for a vlogger to use their service? -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively my vlog: http://r.24x7.com good deal : http://foo.24x7.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Ted Tagami Principal, Universus Networks U N I V E R S U S . N E T SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] stickam
I don't have any use for services that take freedom away from the creator. If I put my video in their service, can I get it back? They turn it into Flash, where does my original go? Can I really distribute it using the shared standards of the blogosphere like RSS. Put it this way, why don't I post every text blog entry as a read-only PDF *and* disallow anyone to download that document. That doesn't really help people distribute media. -Josh On 2/14/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: josh -- yeah, the widget is cool. and they host video, audio and stills (i.e. services for distributing media). is your problem with it the fact it's video is flash flv or arfe you unsupportive for another reason? -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively my vlog: http://r.24x7.com good deal : http://foo.24x7.com On Feb 14, 2006, at 2:11 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: I don't see how this is helpful to videoblogging. Its a nice widget that i can stick on a webpage... seems more useful to MySpace, Ebay Auctions, Craigslist pages... stuff like that, but has little to do with distribution of media and the supporting the shared standards of the blogosphere. -josh On 2/13/06, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/13/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey all Just came across a new service called stickam. http://www.stickam.com/stickam.jsp In adition to hosting, they have a live streaming (flash) scheme where you throw an object in your sidebar and broadcast live. Is there any value for a vlogger to use their service? -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively my vlog: http://r.24x7.com good deal : http://foo.24x7.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Ted Tagami Principal, Universus Networks U N I V E R S U S . N E T SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] stickam
Now to argue my point from the other side... This may be a great service for some people. The basic step of putting video on a website can be solved in a number of ways. This may be a nice widget for doing just that. But your question was if this service had any value to videobloggers. To that question, my answer is no. It has little if any relationship to videoblogging other than it being a way to embed a clip on my blog sidebar... that's about it. But as for distrbution of media, I don't really see it there. If I have to come to your website to watch it, then it ain't really distributing. -Josh On 2/14/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have any use for services that take freedom away from the creator. If I put my video in their service, can I get it back? They turn it into Flash, where does my original go? Can I really distribute it using the shared standards of the blogosphere like RSS. Put it this way, why don't I post every text blog entry as a read-only PDF *and* disallow anyone to download that document. That doesn't really help people distribute media. -Josh On 2/14/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: josh -- yeah, the widget is cool. and they host video, audio and stills (i.e. services for distributing media). is your problem with it the fact it's video is flash flv or arfe you unsupportive for another reason? -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively my vlog: http://r.24x7.com good deal : http://foo.24x7.com On Feb 14, 2006, at 2:11 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: I don't see how this is helpful to videoblogging. Its a nice widget that i can stick on a webpage... seems more useful to MySpace, Ebay Auctions, Craigslist pages... stuff like that, but has little to do with distribution of media and the supporting the shared standards of the blogosphere. -josh On 2/13/06, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/13/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey all Just came across a new service called stickam. http://www.stickam.com/stickam.jsp In adition to hosting, they have a live streaming (flash) scheme where you throw an object in your sidebar and broadcast live. Is there any value for a vlogger to use their service? -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively my vlog: http://r.24x7.com good deal : http://foo.24x7.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Ted Tagami Principal, Universus Networks U N I V E R S U S . N E T SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] stickam
with the breakneck innovation I've seen in just the last few months, it won't be long before someone wraps an RSS/email container 'round services like this...then what happens?On 2/14/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now to argue my point from the other side... This may be a great service for some people. The basic step of putting video on a website can be solved in a number of ways. This may be a nice widget for doing just that. But your question was if this service had any value to videobloggers. To that question, my answer is no. It has little if any relationship to videoblogging other than it being a way to embed a clip on my blog sidebar... that's about it. But as for distrbution of media, I don't really see it there. If I have to come to your website to watch it, then it ain't really distributing. -Josh On 2/14/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have any use for services that take freedom away from the creator. If I put my video in their service, can I get it back? They turn it into Flash, where does my original go? Can I really distribute it using the shared standards of the blogosphere like RSS. Put it this way, why don't I post every text blog entry as a read-only PDF *and* disallow anyone to download that document. That doesn't really help people distribute media. -Josh On 2/14/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: josh -- yeah, the widget is cool. and they host video, audio and stills (i.e. services for distributing media). is your problem with it the fact it's video is flash flv or arfe you unsupportive for another reason? -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively my vlog: http://r.24x7.com good deal : http://foo.24x7.com On Feb 14, 2006, at 2:11 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: I don't see how this is helpful to videoblogging. Its a nice widget that i can stick on a webpage... seems more useful to MySpace, Ebay Auctions, Craigslist pages... stuff like that, but has little to do with distribution of media and the supporting the shared standards of the blogosphere. -josh On 2/13/06, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/13/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey all Just came across a new service called stickam. http://www.stickam.com/stickam.jsp In adition to hosting, they have a live streaming (flash) scheme where you throw an object in your sidebar and broadcast live. Is there any value for a vlogger to use their service? -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively my vlog: http://r.24x7.com good deal : http://foo.24x7.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Ted Tagami Principal, Universus Networks U N I V E R S U S . N E T SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ted TagamiPrincipal, Universus NetworksU N I V E R S U S . N E T SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] stickam
It's interesting. I find the experience of viewing a video within the original blog entry more satisfying than moving that video into an off-line state divorced from the host. When you break the vlog like that you're unable to comment, you have disconnected the media. You can argue all you want about distribution meaning put it on a disconnected device but I call bullsh*t. It's completely valid to use flv for distribution, in fact I'd argue it's more valid since it forces the media to remain connected to the source. Now you know I've tried Fireant on mac (and sent a donation:) from early on and support your company's goal, however I think we all need to encourage others to participate and develop tools, not dismiss their efforts so quickly. I'm not using Fireant any longer, the experience is not producing any gain for me. That said, I'm not against it and might come around to using it again at some point, but vlogs feels disconnected there. It looks like a good tool for transferring media to portable devices, but when that happens the vloggyness is no more. Please don't take this as a dis to Fireant, it isn't. Just my $0.02 today. Let's encourage participation, let's be constructive when we see TOS items we would like to have a conversation about, let's be open to flv and connected vlogging, let's think about the social opportunities for vlogging. That's why I'm always asking questions and interested in hearing about new services. -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively my vlog: http://r.24x7.com good deal : http://foo.24x7.com On Feb 14, 2006, at 3:23 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: ...But as for distrbution of media, I don't really see it there. If I have to come to your website to watch it, then it ain't really distributing. -Josh Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] stickam
I'm open to FLV... that's not what is being discussed here. Does Stickam distribute the FLV files? It doesn't look like it does... FireAnt is still the only aggregator around that supports playback of FLV (not many people choose to implement FLash in such a distributable way though... usually Flash is used to lock content onto the page instead of letting it flow and become distributed). FireAnt also supports direct links back to the blog source for commenting and keeps all the RSS information in tact (unlike iTunes), so I don't really get your comments there about disjointedness. Like I said, different tools support different user behaviors. FireAnt is a great tool for consuming lots of video from distributed sources. I'm not just saying that because I'm one of the creators. I'm saying that because its not uncommon for our users to be subscribed to 50-100 different video feeds. Hey, diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks... your question had to do with whether Stickam had value to videoblogging, i still don't believe it does. For other applications, maybe so. -josh On 2/14/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's interesting. I find the experience of viewing a video within the original blog entry more satisfying than moving that video into an off-line state divorced from the host. When you break the vlog like that you're unable to comment, you have disconnected the media. You can argue all you want about distribution meaning put it on a disconnected device but I call bullsh*t. It's completely valid to use flv for distribution, in fact I'd argue it's more valid since it forces the media to remain connected to the source. Now you know I've tried Fireant on mac (and sent a donation:) from early on and support your company's goal, however I think we all need to encourage others to participate and develop tools, not dismiss their efforts so quickly. I'm not using Fireant any longer, the experience is not producing any gain for me. That said, I'm not against it and might come around to using it again at some point, but vlogs feels disconnected there. It looks like a good tool for transferring media to portable devices, but when that happens the vloggyness is no more. Please don't take this as a dis to Fireant, it isn't. Just my $0.02 today. Let's encourage participation, let's be constructive when we see TOS items we would like to have a conversation about, let's be open to flv and connected vlogging, let's think about the social opportunities for vlogging. That's why I'm always asking questions and interested in hearing about new services. -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively my vlog: http://r.24x7.com good deal : http://foo.24x7.com On Feb 14, 2006, at 3:23 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: ...But as for distrbution of media, I don't really see it there. If I have to come to your website to watch it, then it ain't really distributing. -Josh Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] stickam
I think that, once again, we're splitting hairs. If you ask is this useful to the videoblogging community, when some people definte videoblogging as (roughly) having all the features of a blog AND including video, then perhaps Stickam is not useful. But I suspect that the average citizen (outside this group) who is interested in distributing video online may not care about RSS, portable devices, etc., but is simply looking for a way to share video online with a fairly small group of people, e.g. video of the new baby going to the grandparents, at least as a first step.If you want to get people videoblogging, perhaps something like Stickam is a good place to start, before you scare them off with the alphabet soup of terminology. When/if they get interested in a wider audience, they'll be back to learn about all the bells and whistles. And they're not stuck with Stickam if they don't want to be. I did note that Stickam has a nicely designed interface which is easy to use and explains what it wants. My only problem is that it failed to actually upload and process my video, and did not tell me why. -- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] stickam
this looks like an amazing communications tool that is portable across various hosting services. You can set it to play a video mail message - could be a vlog, and of course you could use it to vchat too...wow..On 2/13/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all Just came across a new service called stickam. http://www.stickam.com/stickam.jsp In adition to hosting, they have a live streaming (flash) scheme where you throw an object in your sidebar and broadcast live. Is there any value for a vlogger to use their service? -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively my vlog: http://r.24x7.com good deal : http://foo.24x7.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ted TagamiPrincipal, Universus NetworksU N I V E R S U S . N E T SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] stickam
I don't see how this is helpful to videoblogging.Its a nice widget that i can stick on a webpage... seems more useful to MySpace, Ebay Auctions, Craigslist pages... stuff like that, but has little to do with distribution of media and the supporting the shared standards of the blogosphere. -joshOn 2/13/06, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this looks like an amazing communications tool that is portable across various hosting services. You can set it to play a video mail message - could be a vlog, and of course you could use it to vchat too...wow..On 2/13/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all Just came across a new service called stickam. http://www.stickam.com/stickam.jsp In adition to hosting, they have a live streaming (flash) scheme where you throw an object in your sidebar and broadcast live. Is there any value for a vlogger to use their service? -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively my vlog: http://r.24x7.com good deal : http://foo.24x7.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Ted TagamiPrincipal, Universus NetworksU N I V E R S U S . N E T SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
