Brilliant, as ever.
I did not intend to send you a note asking for your interest in the
site. I sent a note out saying that to prevent spammers joing us from
now on all new members must be approved by me, and therefore I ask THEM
to provide me with some info. Sorry if there was
Very good, Eugene. I buy a mandolin, and you buy a vihuela. The world
keeps turning...
Enjoy it - an amazing repertoire.
Rob
2009/10/1 Eugene C. Braig IV [1]brai...@osu.edu
Greetings fellow punteadophiliacs:
Nothing to tickle your scholarly mental muscles,
Your page seems to be working now. 'Jane' got removed some time ago.
She comes back in various guises but I have managed to remove her each
time. She also visits other ning groups.
All seems OK for the present.
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Baroque Guitar by Alexander Batov. Flat back, 67cms string length.
Aquila gut strings, nylgut set in Kingham professional case. Used on
recordings and videos by Rob MacKillop. MP3 files on
[1]www.SongOfTheRose.co.uk and YouTube videos at
[2]http://www.youtube.com/user
Clearly it came down to personal preference, with some players liking
it, some not - and the same is true today. Ralph makes a good case for
it. I, on the other hand, would make a bad case for it - I just can't
get it to sound appropriate. Thankfully it is not essential, and
players
Very useful, David, and sensible. I like the way you show the voice
movement in the tab part - bar 30, for instance, now makes much more
sense. Any chance of a sound file?
I'll provide a link from my vihuela site.
Rob
2009/6/1 David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
Spitting image:
...at eleven o'clock in the night, Don Quixote found a vihuela in his
room, he tuned it, opened the grill and heard some people moving about
in the garden, and having run through the frets of the vihuela and
tuned it as best he knew, he spat, cleared his throat,
And now I've added an mp3 of the Francesco da Milano original (Ness 15)
which Valderabbano used as the basis for his Soneto primero grado 92a
[1]http://www.vihuela.eu/study.htm
Makes for an interesting comparison.
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That's easy for you to say...
2009/5/23 Nelson, Jocelyn [1]nels...@ecu.edu
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I've uploaded four of Valderrabano's 'primero grado' sonetos:
[1]http://www.vihuela.eu/study.htm really excellent fantasias and
nowhere near as difficult as those by Fuenllana, Narvaez, Mudarra, etc.
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You have the score upside down, Stuart...
;-)
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2009/5/23 Stuart Walsh [1]s.wa...@ntlworld.com
Rob MacKillop wrote:
I've uploaded four of Valderrabano's 'primero grado' sonetos:
[1][2]http://www.vihuela.eu/study.htm really excellent fantasias
Now, where did I read that before? As soon as you mentioned it, John, I
remembered it from somewhere deep in the windswept vaults. Does anyone
know which ones?
I was beginning to get turned on to Valderrabano - his songs
are wonderful - but now find out he is a plagiarist!
2009/5/23 Stuart Walsh [1]s.wa...@ntlworld.com
I think it should be several notches faster...and so, quite a tricky
piece. Just my opinion, of course, and open to debate on the matter!
You are playing it at quite a lick already, Stuart. I'm not sure if the
ability to play
to the medieval citole?
Are there any images which clearly show the pendola in use?
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I found the quotation on Google Books:
[1]http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Hah-dlM2sn0Cpg=PA108lpg=PA108d
q=vihuela+de+pendolasource=blots=JcAkxkFIeUsig=wEj8-fm5bSLF1lokbQK0y
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or
Thanks, Monica. A free translation indeed.
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Thanks, Stuart. I've heard quite a bit of music like that, and enjoy
improvising it as well. I'm sure you are right in that similar things
were done on the vihuela. I imagine all those examples from Ortiz could
be adapted too. I've played vihuela with a viol consort, and although I
differently, and you must
find your own way eventually, but hopefully this will help.
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Is there a modern edition of Narvaez's songs? I started to do my own,
but I'm finding it difficult reading the words. I am using the CDRom
edition which reproduces the red ink for the voice parts, but the words
are very difficult to read.
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Stuart
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I couldn't open the file, Rocky. I downloaded it twice. Same
problem -
a window saying the file was corrupted. Anyone else have this
problem?
Normally I have no such problems
I couldn't open the file, Rocky. I downloaded it twice. Same problem -
a window saying the file was corrupted. Anyone else have this problem?
Normally I have no such problems with your pdfs.
Rob
2009/5/10 Mjos Larson [1]rockype...@earthlink.net
I have uploaded an updated
French tab as well??!! What is happening to you, Monica? Pandering to
the unwashed?
Rob
2009/4/25 Monica Hall [1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
I am pleased to announce that I have revised my pieces by
Foscarini on
my [1][2]www.earlyguitar.ning.com site. I have added
Well done, Monica. Good work, as usual. Maybe Rocky could give you some
formatting tips?
Rob
2009/3/26 Monica Hall [1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
I have just uploaded my edition of 13 pieces by Playford arranged
for
5-course guitar in the Princess Anne book to my
2009/2/18 Monica Hall [1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
Rob might like to know that in 1702 Kremberg was lute teacher to the
children of Lady Griseli Baillie of Mellerstain House in
Berwickshire.
As was Sainte Colombe the younger...
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who asked: two microphones: DPA 4041 - on one T-shaped stand, about 18
inches apart, and about six feet away. The mic preamp/converter is the
Grace Lunatec V3. The best bit of equipment, though, seems to be the
sound engineer's ears. All hail the unsung heroes.
Rob
Thanks to everyone who wrote encouraging words, both privately and to
this list. The first day went very well indeed. The house is perfect -
a beautiful acoustic, so NO REVERB will added. As anyone who has done a
recording will know, it takes an inordinate amount of time to set up
My Hero!
Rob
2009/2/9 Mjos Larson [1]rockype...@earthlink.net
I have uploaded a collection of about 20 Kremberg pieces to my Ning
group page:
[2]http://earlyguitar.ning.com/
This edition is mostly guitar settings of songs, but a few pieces
have voice and BC
no assumption that any of you would want my videos on your
iGoogle page, but you never know. My wife is not the only crazy person
in the world...but this is an experiment. So far it worked easily for
me and her. I would be interested to know if there are any problems.
Rob MacKillop
I've moved my vihuela pages - and reformatted some of them - to a
dedicated site: [1]http://www.vihuela.eu Please let me know if there
are any problems or ommissions.
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Beautiful website and wonderful performances. The two-vihuela lineup
will allow you to make new arrangements. Very exciting. Good luck with
the new ensemble.
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Please forgive me!
[1]http://www.youtube.com/user/baroqueuke
My first instrument - when I was eight years old...my life must be
drawing full circle...and coming to an end!!! Hopefully not for a
while...
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most people would call this 'Early music' in another
sense)
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My first instrument - when I was eight years old...my life must be
drawing full circle...and coming to an end
Removed already?
Rob
2009/1/10 Stuart Walsh [1]s.wa...@ntlworld.com
I've put a couple of little pieces in A minor by Graf Logy ...or
Losy ..or whatever his name is:
[2]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AlFRlm97MTIfeature=channel_page
Stuart
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Great price and colour but available in nylon or steel strings (!).
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I see it as a student guitar. I've known a few students who have had an
interest in playing the repertoire on an appropriate instrument, but
the cost has been prohibitive. The 63cms string length is appropriate.
I don't know what the braceing is. Aria make good instruments for the
/
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2008/12/12 Joshua Horn [3]hornjoshu...@gmail.com
If I do use a capo on 3rd, should my G be tuned to F#? before I
put it
on, or not? - I'm pretty much completly new to Lutes and Vihuela's
and
pretty much all early music.
I started out
.
But there were vihuelas in E, but I think pitch is less important than
a clear sound.
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/poljubyla.pdf ?
RT
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Subject: [VIHUELA] Preludes, Cadences and Composition for Guitar
I've just uploaded a new essay, Preludes, Cadences
Nice performance, Stuart. I'll get around to recording the GG version
soonish...
Rob
2008/12/7 Stuart Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Roman Turovsky wrote:
It is a late 18th century Ukrainian popular song-tune, much (ab)used
in vaudeville from 1800 on, with cheesy texts.
All fascinating stuff, guys. Any comments on improvising preludes?
Rob
2008/12/8 Trond Bengtson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The title of the pop song is: Yes, my darling daughter.
There is a nice version on Youtube.
[2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVDl689v6iE
I've created a new website devoted to Fernando Sor and 19thC guitar
performance practice. Just a few sound files, one video and a few
essays there at the moment, but much more planned:
[1]www.sorstudies.co.uk
The video can also be seen on the vimeo site:
Looks good, but very expensive:
Without making any claims in historical or musicological terms, we
dedicate the first book in the series to guitar artisans, the luthiers
who invented the instrument. From 1650 to 1950, from Voboam to Bouchet,
by way of Pons, Lacote and Laprevotte,
Both books are very expensive. I'll just buy new strings instead...
Rob
2008/11/28 Alexander Batov [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There are some nice pictures but don't expect much of the text ;)
And you are right, it's certainly hugely overpriced for what it
gives ...
If I
2008/11/22 Martyn Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Rob,
Interesting but I can't seem to open this link
regards
Martyn
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Subject: [VIHUELA] Sor's harpolyre
Thanks, Monica.
Rob
2008/11/14 Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For those of you who are interested in Murcia, Alejandro Vera has
another article about him in the November issue of Early Music.
He has uncovered a lot of biographical information about Murcia -
to anything I said. He sounded
like a 14-year old. I refused to take part in the programme. My fears
were justified.
Looking forward to Part 2!
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Bravo, Monica. Excellent stuff, as usual. Makes me want to play
Bartolotti. Thanksalotti...
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What's not 'serious' about folk music?
Rob
2008/9/26 Michael Gillespie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I was wondering... when (with who) did study of the early guitar
become
more serious. Sanz used spanish folk melodies where as de Visse
was the
royal guitarist, thats
Truly awful, Josh. Learn to respect tradition a little - you might
learn WHY lute players tuned the way they did for their music. As 100
per cent of 6c lute repertoire was written in tablature form, your new
tuning leaves you with a huge problem. You will have to transcribe
I wasn't upset, Josh. It will take more than that to upset me. Good
luck with it all. You asked for feedback, and I gave you some.
Rob
2008/9/24 Josh Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To all,
For those whom I might of offended with my demonstration tuning
video, I apologize. That
2008/9/24 Stuart Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What Gordon is doing is a bit puzzling and I thought it was worth
talking about. What's your problem with that?
Nothing. What do you want to discuss?
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Many players use a strap.
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2008/9/22 Josh Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi all,
I am curious as to wether your Vihuela or Guitar should be resting
on
your left or right knee when playing traditional music. Is this
the
proper position
I would call that a theorboed guitar...
Rob
2008/9/17 Michael Gillespie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Archguitar...
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it with me
whilst he has gone off on holiday to the west coast.
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I've just noticed that immediately below the video on its right-hand
side is a link - 'watch in high quality' - it really does make a
difference.
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go to [1]www.youtube.com and search for archguitar or Rob MacKillop.
Rob
2008/9/11 Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OK, here is the video:
[3]http://tinyurl.com/5cgkdv
The instrument will be back
I've placed a pdf of the scores here:
[1]http://www.rmguitar.info/temp.htm
Rob
2008/9/11 Michael Gillespie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What kind of notation are you reading? Are the basses marked /a
//a
///a 1,2,3 so on?
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gentlemen. I'm more interested in WHY anyone would go to the trouble of
adding all those extra strings at the upper octave? There is only one
to be around 160cm to get a
reasonable sound from a plain gut low A, string but I'm not sure
that any theorboed guitar had basses so very long.
Martyn
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Subject: Re: [VIHUELA
reconstruction of this vihuela - a memorable
experience.
Rob macKillop
2008/8/26 Alexander Batov [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My long promised update for one of the pages dedicated to the Dias
vihuela:
[1][2]http://www.vihuelademano.com/vgcrossroads.htm
It's not a sort of 'must
into a
reasonable-quality student baroque guitar. Maybe someone else could
chime in here.
Good luck finding a teacher. If you have any more questions, just ask.
Rob MacKillop
[3]www.songoftherose.co.uk (has some baroque guitar videos)
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in Florence or an obscure library in France.
Has anyone else seen this copy? It also seems that Granata applied
to be a super numerary lutenist to the Concerto Palatino of San
Petronio in Bologna.
Monica
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I know of three original guitars that look like Faria's. The first
one
is even for sale:
[1]http://www.renard-music.com/selectficheinstrument.php3?148
Wow, 8,000 euros is a good price for something so old and so unique.
People pay a lot more for crap Gibsons from the
Well, it is certainly a baroque guitar with a lute bowl, but a
'chitarrone francese' would have diapasons, hence 'chitarrone'. Very
interesting, though!
Again, a good price.
Rob
2008/8/24 Peedu Timo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Would this then be a Chitarra Francese?
of the original painting on
Wolfgang's website:
[1]http://www.zupfinstrumente-emmerich.de/English/index.htm - click on
archlute and scroll down.
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I'm looking for baroque guitar pieces with a Scottish connection. I
have the two pieces in the Princess Anne Lute Book and the Schiller
manuscript. Speaking of which, can someone give me the full name for
the Schiller ms?
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Rob,
Other than these two, the only others which come to mind are in a
sense all pieces in Corebetta's 1671 book dedicated to the Stuart
monarch. In particular there's a nice sarabande: La Stuart (f. 71)
and the preceding
? f. 106v ?) and Machinaery (sp? 49r
?) which are a bit Irishy/Scottish sounding. (Ooh, I hope that
doesn't offend.) Might there be others in that manuscript?
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I'm looking for baroque guitar pieces with a Scottish
which would be the logical thing to do
especially when accompanying a bass line.
Of course if you do this it makes the fingering of the standard chords
more complex. And would be pointless with re-entrant tunings.
Monica
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Here is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/user/bananamunga
Rob
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finger
strokes in one direction, either mi or pi would suffice.
Rob MacKillop
2008/6/16 Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I think this query came up before but I can't remember whether anyone knew
the answer to it.
In Bartolotti's Secondo Libro, the Allemandes usually start with a pick
up beat
Dear FoMRHI member
You will be pleased to hear that after 6 years of silence, the Fellowship of
Makers and Researchers of Historical Instruments, and its Quarterly
publication, are being revived. We already have enough material for at least
one, maybe two issues of the Quarterly. The first should
Fuenllana composed and intabulated pieces for the 5c vihuela. How this
instrument differed from the 5c guitar with bourdons on the 4th and 5th is a
little bit of a mystery. His 6c vihuela seems to have been quite small,
judging by the stretches required of the left hand. The 5c tablature seems
to
is the tablature for all his 5c pieces - PLAYABLE
ON THE 5c BAROQUE GUITAR (at a stretch) - in Italian, French and Milan's
'Guitar-type' tablature: http://www.rmguitar.info/scores.htm
Enjoy.
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Buy a ruler... ;-)
Rob
2008/6/6 Azalais [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
That works!... (but it takes even more intense concentration than avoiding
the 6th course when playing 5-line BG pieces on a vihuela!!! ) Rob, someday
when you have some extra time on your hands, would it be too much trouble
to
The CDRom Martyn mentions, you can find it here, Jerry:
http://www.lacg.net/facsimiles_page.htm
A bit more expensive than Martyn remembers (more like 50 quid, Martyn) but
well worth it.
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Allow me to simplify things, at least for my own benefit, and forgive me if
I over simplify. I'm just thinking out loud...
The vihuela de mano was created in Valencia and found its way to Naples
where it became popular, more popular than the lute. Some Italian makers
started making their own
Thanks Azalais. My first response is that there is enough fiction in the
viola/vihuela debate already...but a good read is a good read ;-)
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? Any other publications for it?
And can anyone flesh out the story of one of the d'Este family ordering a
'Spanish viola da mano' but having to settle for an Italian one instead? I
can't remember the facts.
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2008/5/31 Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Maybe this is of interest??? Are you going to Jack's later?
Jack who? What are you talking about, Ed?
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and Aguado used them when they were young men. Moretti, of course - but
not repertoire pieces. And of course the string quartets plus guitar of
Boccherini.
Has anyone here got a 6c?
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of
Boccherini.
Has anyone here got a 6c?
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12 sontas - sounds interesting. Are they good pieces?
Rob
2008/5/31 Eloy Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Yes, Monica is right, there are 2 mss of Vargas y Guzman, one from 1773,
that has some minuets and other dances, and one from 1776, with 12 sonatas,
all for 6 c. guitar and continuo
Best
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Subject: [VIHUELA] six-course guitar
My reading of Fernandiere has got me interested in the 6c guitar. I was
lucky enough to play an original
Well, of course, Monica, the playing between rose and neck is well
established and very much in practise today. I was bringing to light the
practice of strumming near the bridge. I think playing near the neck is fine
for all those thousands of alfabeto songs - and as Arto ably demonstrates in
his
Barber surgeon? What an interesting combination!
Rob
2008/5/31 Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Well - Granata was a barber surgeon - so you are in excellent company!
Monica
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*Cc
Maestro, they are beautiful and should be snapped up!
Rob MacKillop
2008/5/31 Alexander Batov [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
My latest vihuela projects:
http://www.vihuelademano.com/vihuelas/pages/flutedback-vihuela-inAG.htm
http://www.vihuelademano.com/vihuelas/pages/flutedback-vihuela-inE.htm
to
the Lutes and Early Guitars Channel, which is:
http://www.vimeo.com/Francesco
Visitors welcome.
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A couple of people have emailed me questioning my strumming near the bridge.
My first response would be to say, 'just because it isn't mentioned in the
didactic literature doesn't mean it wasn't done', but today I found some
supporting evidence.
Fernando Fernadiere's iArte De Tocar La Guitarra
Somone asked me about my strumming techniques so I've added a video on
strumming the baroque guitar here:
http://www.vimeo.com/robmackillop/videos
It's more MacKillop than Corbetta, but you might get something out of it.
Rob
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added four more.
I've enjoyed playing them, and hope you enjoy hearing them. Please don't ask
me for scores as I am not sure of the legal implications. They are my
arrangements, but Rogerio Budasz did the transcribing.
Rob MacKillop
PS I will put them on the vihuela/guitar network site soon
never noticed the video tape had run out...Geez, I need to go for a long
walk!
Still, I hope you get something from these efforts. Was it worth it?
Probably not! Go to www.vimeo.com and search for MacKillop.
Rob MacKillop
PS Excuse the cross posting...
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Thank you La Monica - you are a star...
Rob
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seen before, and comments are welcome,
leading to discussion.
So, I think these networks have their place and are most welcome. But I am
happy to still read and enquire on this list. Hopefully both can live in
harmony together. I'm sure they can.
Discuss...
Rob MacKillop
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Ever one to jump on a bandwagon...
The Lute and Baroque Lute lists now have a useful network site, as does the
cittern crowd. Now we have the vihuela-baroque guitar social network
website:
http://earlyguitar.ning.com/
What is there? Well, you can discuss things in a forum, upload photos, pdf
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