date:20061025


On 10/25/06, Hari Krishna Dara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


'\V'.escape(substitute(regex, ', '', 'g'), '\')


Uh, when did Vim's strings become objects?  (Would be really nice if
they were, mind you.)

 nikolai

Re: escape() and '


On 10/25/06, Nikolai Weibull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 10/25/06, Hari Krishna Dara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 '\V'.escape(substitute(regex, ', '', 'g'), '\')

Uh, when did Vim's strings become objects?  (Would be really nice if
they were, mind you.)


Ahahaha, OK.  Sorry.  Goddam I hate the concatenation operator.  It's
virtually impossible to spot.  '\V' . escape(...), now that I can sort
of semi-read.

 nikolai

Re: containedin can't include clusters


On 10/25/06, Peter Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


--- Nikolai Weibull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 I figured that it was easier to add items to a cluster using
 containedin= for a syntax definition I'm writing, but it seems that
 one can't do it that way.  Is there a reason for this, or is it an
 oversight?  Can we add this to the todo?  I've never needed it before,
 but for this particular grammar, it made a lot of sense.



Using 'syn keyword SomeKeyword foo [EMAIL PROTECTED]' does not add SomeKeyword 
to the cluster @SomeCluster, rather, it allows SomeKeyword be contained in all 
the items in @SomeCluster.


Ah, of course. How silly of me.  Although, it would be nice if this
could be done somehow.  A pair of @'s, perhaps, e.g., syn match
Something containedin=@@Cluster '...'?

 nikolai

Re: containedin can't include clusters


On 10/25/06, Peter Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


--- Nikolai Weibull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 10/25/06, Peter Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  --- Nikolai Weibull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   I figured that it was easier to add items to a cluster using
   containedin= for a syntax definition I'm writing, but it seems that
   one can't do it that way.  Is there a reason for this, or is it an
   oversight?  Can we add this to the todo?  I've never needed it before,
   but for this particular grammar, it made a lot of sense.

  Using 'syn keyword SomeKeyword foo [EMAIL PROTECTED]' does not add
 SomeKeyword to the cluster @SomeCluster, rather, it allows SomeKeyword be
 contained in all the items in @SomeCluster.

 Ah, of course. How silly of me.  Although, it would be nice if this
 could be done somehow.  A pair of @'s, perhaps, e.g., syn match
 Something containedin=@@Cluster '...'?

Probably better if it was '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' rather than complicating the
containedin option.  If you are in the habit of spanning syntax commands across
multiple lines, then it's pretty easy to make a new line to add the item to the
cluster.  I.e., if you have:

  syn match foo /foo/ contained
\ [EMAIL PROTECTED]

then it could be

  syn match foo /foo/ contained
  syn cluster myCluster add=foo

It's not so painful.


Yes, it is, because many of the foo need to be added to two clusters,
and it clutters up an already rather (unavoidably) cluttered syntax
definition.  Addto would perhaps make more sense.

 nikolai

Re: patch: set() function

2006-10-25 Thread Hari Krishna Dara


On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 at 9:16am, Nikolai Weibull wrote:

 On 10/25/06, Hari Krishna Dara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Here is a patch that adds set() function on the lines of existing get()
  for setting list elements by index or dict keys by name. The reason I
  wanted this is the lack of support to use :let for modifying the
  dictionary elements. E.g., the below will be an error:
 
  :let get_dict().key = 'val'
 
  The alternative is to use the new set() function as:
 
  :call set(get_dict(), 'key', 'val')

 Wouldn't it be better to allow the :let syntax you describe above?  It
 shouldn't be impossible to parse that kind of expression.

- A set() function will be nice to have anyway (to balance out get())
- Adding a function is much easier (at least for me as a newbie) and the
  change is more isolated than changing the syntax of the :let command.
  This also means better likely hood of getting incorporated sooner.
- The last time the :let syntax was discussed, I don't think Bram agreed
  to fix this issue, which indicates he is not in favor of that, and
  so less likelyhood to get incorporated.

BTW, I noticed that I had the min args as 2 (copied from f_get) which is
wrong, it should be 3. I can send another patch, again if Bram is OK
with this change at all.

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Re: patch: set() function

2006-10-25 Thread G. Sumner Hayes

Hari Krishna Dara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Nikolai Weibull wrote:
  Hari Krishna Dara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Here is a patch that adds set() function on the lines of existing get()
   for setting list elements by index or dict keys by name.
 [SNIP]
 
  Wouldn't it be better to allow the :let syntax you describe above?  It
  shouldn't be impossible to parse that kind of expression.

 - A set() function will be nice to have anyway (to balance out get())

I worry about adding such a set() function with that name.  Vim's been adding 
things like dictionaries/lists with Python-like syntax, and it's entirely 
possible that it may want to add something like Python's set() datatype in the 
future.  Keeping the set name reserved in Vim seems wise to me.

Re: question about vim buffer write to file

2006-10-25 Thread Bram Moolenaar


Ming Lei wrote:

 I have a basic question about vim internal. Let me use an example to
 describe:
 
 Say I have a text file of 20Mbytes. I use VIM to insert 3 characters at
 offset 1024 bytes from the beginning of the file and then I save the
 file. My question is: how does VIM handle the file write and save? Does
 VIM rewrite the whole file back to disk/file system? Can anyone describe
 the procedure that VIM employs at the granularity of the system call?

Vim always writes the whole file.  Most systems allow overwriting
halfway a file, but inserting halfway a file is rare (I can't name a
system that supports this).

Anyway, Vim wants to keep the original file so long as writing isn't
finished, to avoid the risk that a system crash results in neither the
original or the new file.

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Re: patch: set() function

2006-10-25 Thread Bram Moolenaar


Hari Krishna Dara wrote:

 On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 at 9:16am, Nikolai Weibull wrote:
 
  On 10/25/06, Hari Krishna Dara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Here is a patch that adds set() function on the lines of existing get()
   for setting list elements by index or dict keys by name. The reason I
   wanted this is the lack of support to use :let for modifying the
   dictionary elements. E.g., the below will be an error:
  
   :let get_dict().key = 'val'
  
   The alternative is to use the new set() function as:
  
   :call set(get_dict(), 'key', 'val')
 
  Wouldn't it be better to allow the :let syntax you describe above?  It
  shouldn't be impossible to parse that kind of expression.
 
 - A set() function will be nice to have anyway (to balance out get())
 - Adding a function is much easier (at least for me as a newbie) and the
   change is more isolated than changing the syntax of the :let command.
   This also means better likely hood of getting incorporated sooner.
 - The last time the :let syntax was discussed, I don't think Bram agreed
   to fix this issue, which indicates he is not in favor of that, and
   so less likelyhood to get incorporated.
 
 BTW, I noticed that I had the min args as 2 (copied from f_get) which is
 wrong, it should be 3. I can send another patch, again if Bram is OK
 with this change at all.

I would prefer the :let command to work.  It's not easy to implement
but would be good for consistency.

The main reason get() exists is to be able to handle non-existing keys
in a simple way.  That argument doesn't hold for set().

The dictionary was modelled after Python, and I don't think that Python
has set().

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Re: insert-mode :map-alt-keys and 8-bit locales

2006-10-25 Thread Ilya Sher

A.J.Mechelynck wrote:
 Ilya Sher wrote:
 A.J.Mechelynck wrote:
 Alexey I. Froloff wrote:
 * Bram Moolenaar Bram@ [061022 17:41]:
 I don't want to support that, because it causes mistakes.  Consider
 being in Insert mode and typing Esc o to open a new line or
 Esc
 n to find the next match.  A timeout won't help, the two keys can be
 typed within ten msec.
 So, all plugins that imap something to Alt+Key a screwed up in
 all non-ascii 8-bit locales.  Moreover, such maps breaks normal
 text entering.

 There is something outside your latin-1 world.  Take a look
 around, you, 7-bit racists.

 - Maybe Bram Moolenaar can type at 100 keystrokes / second, I can't.
 Especially if one of the keys is Esc, which is far away from almost
 everything else.
 Assuming one-handed typing, (especially for Esco and Escn)
 which is almost always not true for vim users.

 Assumption that people use keyboard mappings
 where Esc is far away is true most of the time
 but not always. (Common exception is caps lock
 generating Esc).


 [snip]


 When I say I can't, I'm talking about me on my keyboard, where the
 Esc key is at top left, and the nearest keys are (²³¬) (1|) (é2@) and
 F1 (Between round brackets: unshifted, with Shift, and with AltGr, in
 that order, for a single key).

 I'm not assuming that _you_ cannot type 100 keystrokes per second,
 though I would bet that the Vimmers who can are a minority at best. ;-)
I was probably not clear enough.

The point is that one does not even have to type at
that speed to hit pretty fast Esco if the Esc
is not far away and both hands are used.
... the first condition is optional.



 Best regards,
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Re: Bold font in OS X GUI?


Peter Hodge wrote:

Hello,

I am having trouble with OS X GUI, none of the highlighting is in Bold.  Is
this a Bug, or does Bold font just not work in the OS X gui?

regards,
peter



It may depend on your 'guifont'. Some font faces have no bold glyphs, others 
no italic, etc. Here, when I set 'guifont' to SUSE Sans Mono 9, all italics 
appear bolded; on BH LucidaTypewriter there are no italics at all, ...


If your GUI flavour accepts it, try :set gui=* (without the quotes) and 
select the regular version of a font which has also bold italic etc.


If it doesn't accept it, you'll have to find from another source which font 
names are valid on your system, and then find by hit-and-miss some font having 
regular, bold, etc.



Best regards,
Tony.

mapping of C-1

2006-10-25 Thread Roman Pořízka


Hello,
I'm trying to map C-1 to some command (:tabn 1cr) and
unfortunately it's not working :( I'm trying on linux (where this
mapping for mrxvt works) and windows...

Have you any clue why it's not working?

With regards,
Roman Porizka

Re: Bold font in OS X GUI?

2006-10-25 Thread Peter Hodge


--- A.J.Mechelynck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Peter Hodge wrote:
  Hello,
  
  I am having trouble with OS X GUI, none of the highlighting is in Bold.  Is
  this a Bug, or does Bold font just not work in the OS X gui?
  
  regards,
  peter
 
 
 It may depend on your 'guifont'. Some font faces have no bold glyphs, others 
 no italic, etc. Here, when I set 'guifont' to SUSE Sans Mono 9, all italics
 
 appear bolded; on BH LucidaTypewriter there are no italics at all, ...
 
 If your GUI flavour accepts it, try :set gui=* (without the quotes) and 
 select the regular version of a font which has also bold italic etc.
 
 If it doesn't accept it, you'll have to find from another source which font 
 names are valid on your system, and then find by hit-and-miss some font
 having 
 regular, bold, etc.

I can use guifont=*, and have tried many different fonts which have bold and
italic glyphs. The problem is that no matter which font I choose, Vim refuses
to show text in Bold (Unless I choose a font which has only a bold glyph).  I
get the impression it's a shortcoming of the OS X GUI, because underlined text
doesn't work either (Vim reverses the bg/fg colors instead).

regards,
Peter







 
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Re: Bold font in OS X GUI?

2006-10-25 Thread panshizhu

Peter Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] 写于 2006-10-25 14:54:16:

 I can use guifont=*, and have tried many different fonts which have bold
and
 italic glyphs. The problem is that no matter which font I choose, Vim
refuses
 to show text in Bold (Unless I choose a font which has only a bold
glyph).  I
 get the impression it's a shortcoming of the OS X GUI, because underlined
text
 doesn't work either (Vim reverses the bg/fg colors instead).


Really? Do you mean: you selected a bold font as the gui font but the gui
displayed it as the corresponding regular font for that bold font?

If that's true, I'd wonder how this version is compiled...Any clue for
:version?  I guess it's not the shortcoming of the OSX gui, but the vim
need to be recompiled with different settings.

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inserting backticks

Hi

When inserting a backtick (`) I normally type `space. But sometimes
nothing happens... When I enter a 2. space, I get a space. I can enter
as many spaces as I want, but I get no backtick. When I type a letter,
eg. d, _than_ I get `d at the current cursor position. Wnen I type a 2.
` instead of d, I get ``. 

And really strange is that I can't reproduce this behaviour constantly.
Eg. starting with an empty Vim (no file opened) and the backtick+space
works as it should. Starting an empty Vim again and it doesn't work...
I've tested it with python and tex files. Sometime `space produce a
backtick, but mostly not.

Well I could use a mapping like this:
imap `space ``C-Ox
But this is IMHO a bit too hackish.

I'm using gVim 7 on WinXP. The Console-Vim seems to work correctly. Is
this a matter of my configuration? Or where is the ` waiting?


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Re: mapping of C-1


Roman Pořízka wrote:

Hello,
I'm trying to map C-1 to some command (:tabn 1cr) and
unfortunately it's not working :( I'm trying on linux (where this
mapping for mrxvt works) and windows...

Have you any clue why it's not working?

With regards,
Roman Porizka



It's not working because it's not defined.

The following Ctrl + printable key combinations are defined, and since they 
date back to a time when keyboards had neither F keys nor arrow keys, nor even 
Tab or Backspace, sometimes not even an Enter key, they are portable across 
all ASCII-based hardware and software flavours AFAIK:


Ctrl-?  0x7F
Ctrl-@  0x00
Ctrl-A  0x01
Ctrl-B  0x02
...
Ctrl)Y  0x19
Ctrl-Z  0x1A
Ctrl-[  0x1B
Ctrl-\  0x1C
Ctrl-]  0x1D
Ctrl-^  0x1E
Ctrl-_  0x1F
Ctrl-a to Ctrl-z : same as Ctrl-A to Ctrl-Z

A Ctrl function is also defined for most of the non-printable keys, but the 
keycodes are implementation-dependent (they vary from one console terminal to 
the other).


Ctrl + other printable keys is not defined. (Programs reading their keyboard 
in raw mode may sometimes nevertheless identify them, but Vim uses cooked 
mode.)


OTOH, Alt + printable key is usually defined, but in most cases it collides 
with symbols or letters-with-diacritics in the range 0xA0-0xFF.


If you want to define portable key mappings, I recommend choosing among F2 to 
F9, F11, F12, and Shift-F1 to Shift-F12. If you need more, try multikey 
mappings and/or Ctrl-Alt-a to Ctrl-Alt-Z. Some of the latter, however, might 
be pre-empted by your OS and never make it to Vim.



Best regards,
Tony.

Re: inserting backticks


Alexander 'boesi' Bösecke wrote:

Hi

When inserting a backtick (`) I normally type `space. But sometimes
nothing happens... When I enter a 2. space, I get a space. I can enter
as many spaces as I want, but I get no backtick. When I type a letter,
eg. d, _than_ I get `d at the current cursor position. Wnen I type a 2.
` instead of d, I get ``. 


And really strange is that I can't reproduce this behaviour constantly.
Eg. starting with an empty Vim (no file opened) and the backtick+space
works as it should. Starting an empty Vim again and it doesn't work...
I've tested it with python and tex files. Sometime `space produce a
backtick, but mostly not.

Well I could use a mapping like this:
imap `space ``C-Ox
But this is IMHO a bit too hackish.

I'm using gVim 7 on WinXP. The Console-Vim seems to work correctly. Is
this a matter of my configuration? Or where is the ` waiting?


cu boesi


Unless you have a mapping for something starting with a backtick, it might be 
your OS (including the keyboard interface). Here (on Linux with Belgian 
keyboard) hitting AltGR+µ twice, or once followed by a space, produces a 
backtick; AltGr+µ followed by a vowel produces that vowel with a grave accent; 
when followed by anything else that key combo produces a beep. I don't have 
another backtick key.



Best regards,
Tony.

PS: 2. is the German abbreviation for zweite. The English abbrev for 
second (as an ordinal number, not a time interval) is 2nd. -- similarly 
1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, ... 20th, 21st, 22nd, etc.

understanding font setting in gvim for win32

2006-10-25 Thread o1792

I've been trying to change fonts in my win32 vim. I
don't find a font directory in the vim tree, so I take
it Win fonts are begin used. Right now in my _gvimrc,
I have:
set guifont=Lucida_Console:h10
Courier:h10 also works but other common fonts like
Arial:h10 don't work. Is that because they are not
mono spaced?
If I find a font which I like, must I put it into
Windows' Fonts directory, yes?
But then I need to work out the syntax for it in
_gvimrc.  How do I work it out? OK, a space in Windows
is probably an underscore, but is there anything else
I need look out for?

Many thanks in advance.

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Re: inserting backticks

Hi

Am 25.10.2006 10:32:47 schrieb A.J.Mechelynck:

 Unless you have a mapping for something starting with a backtick, 

Well according to :verb imap ` I don't have one.

 it might be your OS (including the keyboard interface). 

Hmm in other applications, like my mail program or openoffice,
backtick+space works...

 Here (on Linux with Belgian 
 keyboard) hitting AltGR+µ twice, or once followed by a space, produces a 
 backtick; AltGr+µ followed by a vowel produces that vowel with a grave 
 accent; 

That's the same on my system, except that ´ and ` have a separate key, 
` is avaiable via Shift.

 when followed by anything else that key combo produces a beep. I don't have 
 another backtick key.

That's differently here, but it works the same way in gvim and
openoffice:
` + any printable (non-vowel) character gives ` + the character
` + arrow keys move the cursor
when I press any printable character, ` + character is entered at
the current cursor position.

 PS: 2. is the German abbreviation for zweite. The English abbrev for 
 second (as an ordinal number, not a time interval) is 2nd. -- similarly 
 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, ... 20th, 21st, 22nd, etc.

Oehm it's really long ago that I've been in school...


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Re: understanding font setting in gvim for win32


set guifont=Lucida_Console:h10
Courier:h10 also works but other common fonts like
Arial:h10 don't work. Is that because they are not
mono spaced?


gVim's only happy with monospaced fonts.  I've heard rumors of 
being able to coerce it to used other fonts, but the results are 
usually pretty ugly.


:help e236

for more on that.


If I find a font which I like, must I put it into
Windows' Fonts directory, yes?


It must be accessible like fonts in any other program in Windows 
which generally means putting them in the system-wide fonts 
directory.  I don't know if Win32 offers a means for a 
non-priv'ed user to add fonts to the system by putting them in 
some magic directory in their own branch of the Documents and 
Settings folder.



But then I need to work out the syntax for it in
_gvimrc.  How do I work it out? OK, a space in Windows
is probably an underscore, but is there anything else
I need look out for?



The easiest way is to simply use

:set guifont=*

and pick the font you want/like.  Then, simply issue

:set guifont?

and Vim will tell you what it wants.  There are a variety of 
characters that need to be escaped (spaces, commas, backslashes) 
all described in


:help guifont

-tim

Re: understanding font setting in gvim for win32

Hi

Am 25.10.2006 11:53:42 schrieb o1792:

 But then I need to work out the syntax for it in
 _gvimrc.  How do I work it out? OK, a space in Windows
 is probably an underscore, but is there anything else
 I need look out for?

You can select a font with :set guifont=*. I you want to know which font
is used, just type :set guifont.


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Re: understanding font setting in gvim for win32

2006-10-25 Thread o1792

Cool, many thanks boesi and tim for your answers!

--- Tim Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  set guifont=Lucida_Console:h10
  Courier:h10 also works but other common fonts
 like
  Arial:h10 don't work. Is that because they are
 not
  mono spaced?
 
 gVim's only happy with monospaced fonts.  I've heard
 rumors of 
 being able to coerce it to used other fonts, but the
 results are 
 usually pretty ugly.
 
   :help e236
 
 for more on that.
 
  If I find a font which I like, must I put it into
  Windows' Fonts directory, yes?
 
 It must be accessible like fonts in any other
 program in Windows 
 which generally means putting them in the
 system-wide fonts 
 directory.  I don't know if Win32 offers a means for
 a 
 non-priv'ed user to add fonts to the system by
 putting them in 
 some magic directory in their own branch of the
 Documents and 
 Settings folder.
 
  But then I need to work out the syntax for it in
  _gvimrc.  How do I work it out? OK, a space in
 Windows
  is probably an underscore, but is there anything
 else
  I need look out for?
 
 
 The easiest way is to simply use
 
   :set guifont=*
 
 and pick the font you want/like.  Then, simply issue
 
   :set guifont?
 
 and Vim will tell you what it wants.  There are a
 variety of 
 characters that need to be escaped (spaces, commas,
 backslashes) 
 all described in
   
   :help guifont
 
 -tim
 
 
 
 


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Re: understanding font setting in gvim for win32


Tim Chase wrote:

set guifont=Lucida_Console:h10
Courier:h10 also works but other common fonts like
Arial:h10 don't work. Is that because they are not
mono spaced?


Courier_New (a fixed-width TrueType font) is usually better-looking (if not by 
much) than Courier (a bitmapped font). Also, Courier_New usually has a richer 
repertoire of foreign-language glyphs than many other fonts. See below how to 
find out which fonts are acceptable to Vim and try them out.




gVim's only happy with monospaced fonts.  I've heard rumors of being 
able to coerce it to used other fonts, but the results are usually 
pretty ugly.


:help e236

for more on that.


Vim must have a fixed-width font, except the GTK2 version, which doesn't run 
on Windows (it's one of the flavours of GUI for X11); and even then, 
non-monospaced fonts are indeed pretty ugly in Vim since it uses a fixed 
character cell: narrow letters like i would have too much space around them, 
and wide letters like m might get clipped at right.





If I find a font which I like, must I put it into
Windows' Fonts directory, yes?


It must be accessible like fonts in any other program in Windows which 
generally means putting them in the system-wide fonts directory.  I 
don't know if Win32 offers a means for a non-priv'ed user to add fonts 
to the system by putting them in some magic directory in their own 
branch of the Documents and Settings folder.



But then I need to work out the syntax for it in
_gvimrc.  How do I work it out? OK, a space in Windows
is probably an underscore, but is there anything else
I need look out for?



The easiest way is to simply use

:set guifont=*

and pick the font you want/like.  Then, simply issue

:set guifont?

and Vim will tell you what it wants.  There are a variety of characters 
that need to be escaped (spaces, commas, backslashes) all described in

:help guifont


-tim



Or, once you have what you like, type

:set guifont=Tab

(i.e., hit the tab key after the equal sign). Vim will fill-in your current 
setting, with escaping backslashes if and where needed. On Windows there 
usually aren't many for the 'guifont' option, since spaces can be replaced by 
underscore. You can edit the value in-place (then Enter to accept or Esc to 
cancel) if you're not 100% satisfied; or if you are, write the line down and 
copy that verbatim to your gvimrc.



Best regards,
Tony.

Cut'n'Paste via *p and different users

2006-10-25 Thread Meino Christian Cramer

Hi,

 I often edit some system related files as root while haveing cat-ed related
 (text-) material as user on another terminal.

 Trying to do the following under X and with mrxvt as termulator does not work:

 sux root
 password

 vim a system file

 (and as user at another termulator-window):

 cat a file
 selecting some text

 (back to the rooted vim: )

 *p

 Doing both as user works nicely.

 
 Is it possible to Cut(user)'n'Paste(root) somehow? Is this a problem
 of security settiongs, of permission settings or of me myself ? ;)

 Ah! by the way: I am running Gentoo linux (updated on a daily basis)
 and I am using vim via the console (mrxvt termulator) under X.


 Thanks a lot for any help in advance!
 Keep editing!
 mcc

Re: Binary files, noeol, and other such things.

2006-10-25 Thread Yakov Lerner


On 10/25/06, Matthew Winn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:35:41 +0200, A.J.Mechelynck
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In Algol, Pascal, and (IIUC) C, the semicolon is a statement separator. The
 last statement before an *end* or } doesn't need an ending semicolon; if there
 is one, then there is an empty statement after it.

 In COBOL, OTOH, every sentence (or label or data declaration or...) must end
 in a period followed by a space. Even the last sentence in the last paragraph
 in the last section (if any) in the program's PROCEDURE DIVISION must have
 one. The period followed by a space is not a separator, it's a terminator.

 Apparently the Windows engineers came from Algol, Pascal and C while the Unix
 people came from COBOL. Or did they?  :-þ

I think it's more likely that the Windows engineers came from some
lazy language. I won't name one for fear of making enemies.

The newline as separator idea feels like a hack for a lazy coder. If
you load your entire file into memory and then just skip through it
looking for newlines, replacing them with nulls and using the address
of the next character as the start of a line, then hey presto: you
have a nice, tidy array of lines. Except you have one extra line of
zero length at the end. Oops. Instead of adding special code to ignore
that one line, why not just leave out the final line terminator when
writing the file so it won't cause a problem when reading it back? Far
easier, and it saves you a few minutes coding time. Of course it does
mean that everyone else has to cope with the fact that one line has no
terminator and all the others do, but it's _their_ time that's wasted,
not yours, so it doesn't matter.

And so a Windows convention is born...


Well, in unix, you do:  printf(...\n,.); so you
always have \n at end of file. Apparently windows programmers
do something completely different. Maybe they do
printf(\r\n.., ); maybe something even more weird.

Yakov

Re: Cut'n'Paste via *p and different users


Meino Christian Cramer wrote:

Hi,

 I often edit some system related files as root while haveing cat-ed related
 (text-) material as user on another terminal.

 Trying to do the following under X and with mrxvt as termulator does not work:

 sux root
 password

 vim a system file

 (and as user at another termulator-window):

 cat a file
 selecting some text

 (back to the rooted vim: )

 *p

 Doing both as user works nicely.

 
 Is it possible to Cut(user)'n'Paste(root) somehow? Is this a problem

 of security settiongs, of permission settings or of me myself ? ;)

 Ah! by the way: I am running Gentoo linux (updated on a daily basis)
 and I am using vim via the console (mrxvt termulator) under X.


 Thanks a lot for any help in advance!
 Keep editing!
 mcc



If it doesn't work via the clipboard, try the older (pre-clipboard) method, 
using an auxiliary file:


:[range]w {filename} write lines (from) (to)

:[line]r {filename}  read after (line)
 or before line 1 if (line) == 0

User - root should work with no problem. For root - user you might need

:!chmod {filename} a+r

in between, to give everyone read permission.


Best regards,
Tony.

Re: Problems with Align.vim


Diwaker Gupta wrote:


I'm using Vim 7.0.122 on Debian Unstable. I can send output of
:version if needed. I've recently started having problems using
Align.vim:

Error detected while processing function AlignWrapperStart:
line   28:
E117: Unknown function: Align#AlignPush

I've tried installing the script from both vim.sf.net as well as Dr.
Chip's astro-page. Both of them fail with the same error.

Infact, when I extract the files from the vimball using ':so %', it
generates weird file names:

AlignMaps.vim?[[[1
AlignPlugin.vim?[[[1
cecutil.vim?[[[1



As both places mention: you need v18 or later of the vimball plugin:

 * remove plugin/vimballPlugin.vim from the distribution
 * remove autoload/vimball.vim from the distribution
 * install new vimball plugin

You then need to extract the files from the Align.vba.gz file.

Regards,
Chip Campbell

Re: Cut'n'Paste via *p and different users

2006-10-25 Thread Meino Christian Cramer

From: A.J.Mechelynck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cut'n'Paste via *p and different users
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:28:23 +0200

 Meino Christian Cramer wrote:
  Hi,

   I often edit some system related files as root while haveing cat-ed related
   (text-) material as user on another terminal.

   Trying to do the following under X and with mrxvt as termulator does not 
  work:

   sux root
   password

   vim a system file

   (and as user at another termulator-window):

   cat a file
   selecting some text

   (back to the rooted vim: )

   *p

   Doing both as user works nicely.

   Is it possible to Cut(user)'n'Paste(root) somehow? Is this a problem
   of security settiongs, of permission settings or of me myself ? ;)

   Ah! by the way: I am running Gentoo linux (updated on a daily basis)
   and I am using vim via the console (mrxvt termulator) under X.

   Thanks a lot for any help in advance!
   Keep editing!
   mcc

 If it doesn't work via the clipboard, try the older (pre-clipboard) method, 
 using an auxiliary file:

   :[range]w {filename} write lines (from) (to)

   :[line]r {filename}  read after (line)
or before line 1 if (line) == 0

 User - root should work with no problem. For root - user you might need

   :!chmod {filename} a+r

 in between, to give everyone read permission.

 Best regards,
 Tony.

Hi Tony,

 thank you for your reply, Tony !

 I know that temporary-file-trick already (it is one of two things,
 which I know before the other thing is how to start vim ;)))

 I was wondering, whether the clipboard-problem is caused by some
 (possible wrong) settings of my system or a normal behaviour of
 X/mrxvt and whether there are tricks to make the clibboard working
 inter-user-al :) ... it is so cool to use *p !!!

 Keep hacking!
 mcc

Re: Problems with Align.vim

On Tue, Oct 24, 2006 at 03:29:25PM -0700, Diwaker Gupta wrote:
 I'm using Vim 7.0.122 on Debian Unstable. I can send output of
 :version if needed. I've recently started having problems using
 Align.vim:
 
 Error detected while processing function AlignWrapperStart:
 line   28:
 E117: Unknown function: Align#AlignPush
 
 I've tried installing the script from both vim.sf.net as well as Dr.
 Chip's astro-page. Both of them fail with the same error.

 In the future, please give a link, such as
http://mysite.verizon.net/astronaut/vim/vbafiles/Align.vba.gz

 Infact, when I extract the files from the vimball using ':so %', it
 generates weird file names:
 
 AlignMaps.vim?[[[1
 AlignPlugin.vim?[[[1
 cecutil.vim?[[[1
 
 Any ideas? Thanks in advance,
 Diwaker

 There are a few problems here.  First, it is too easy to miss the
warning

BE SURE TO GET THE LATEST VIMBALL PLUGIN BEFORE ATTEMPTING TO
USE SCRIPTS UPLOADED ON OR AFTER AUG 1, 2006

posted on http://mysite.verizon.net/astronaut/vim/index.html .  Ideally,
all links to recent plugins would redirect to a page line
http://mysite.verizon.net/astronaut/vim/newvimball.html?file=Align.vba.gz
and this page would give links to the new version of vimball and the
desired plugin.

 Second, the link to the new version of vimball is broken:
http://mysite.verizon.net/astronaut/vim/tarfiles/vimball.vba.gz
This does work:
http://mysite.verizon.net/astronaut/vim/tarfiles/vimball.tar.gz
The point is that the newest version cannot be extracted by the older
version, so it is distributed as a tarball instead of a vimball.  You
can also get the new version of vimball from
http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1502 .
The installation instructions there do not mention that the latest
version should be extracted using tar.

 When installing vimball, do it in your $VIMRUNTIME directory.  (For
me, this means /usr/local/share/vim/vim70 , and I need to use su or sudo
to install.)  There may be an even newer version distributed with vim
7.1 or later, and you do not want this version in your personal runtime
directory to be used when you upgrade.

 Third problem.  This may have been my fault, but when I installed
the vimball plugin, with

$ cd /usr/local/share/vim/vim70
$ sudo tar xzf path/to/vimball.tar.gz

some of the files had the wrong permissions, so I had to fix it with

$ sudo chmod a+r autoload/vimball.vim doc/pi_vimball.txt 
plugin/vimballPlugin.vim

 Like you, I had some wrong files installed at this point.  I
cleaned up with

$ cd ~/.vim
$ rm -i */*[[[*

HTH --Benji Fisher

Re: jumplist/mark ' problem

On Tue, Oct 24, 2006 at 07:03:37PM -0700, Hari Krishna Dara wrote:
 
 I am facing a weird problem with the '' marker not getting set. Here is
 what I am doing, but this may be more generic than what I do, but this
 scenario is the most I use:
 
 - While on an identifier, use ^W^] to jump to the id definition.
 - Mark the line, say, ma
 - move a few lines up using k, say kkk
 - yank the range using y'a
 - Try to go back to the original position using ''
 
 Instead of cursor going back to the original line, it goes to the start
 of the file. This behavior is really irritating, as I end up doing this
 sequence repeatedly and it surprises me everytime. I have a feeling that
 this wasn't happening in prior versions. Is there a flag that that I
 might have changed?

 I think it will work the way you want if you stay within the same
file.  Looking quickly, I do not see it stated explicitly, but I think
all of the other maps are local to the file (or maybe buffer), like 'a
to 'z .  Only 'A to 'Z and '0 to '9 move between files.  In particular,
'' will jump to the '' mark in the current file.  You can use C-O or
C-T to jump back to your previous position.

 To reproduce:

:help ''

Then follow the links to :keepjumps (in the same file) or
restore-position (different file) and try '' or C-O in either case.

HTH --Benji Fisher

Re: Bold font in OS X GUI?

On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 03:58:36PM +1000, Peter Hodge wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I am having trouble with OS X GUI, none of the highlighting is in Bold.  Is
 this a Bug, or does Bold font just not work in the OS X gui?
 
 regards,
 peter

 There are known problems with fonts in the OS X GUI, but it is hard
to find a volunteer to work on this problem.  If none of the suggestions
at http://macvim.org/OSX/index.php#FAQ (item #2) then you will have to
wait until someone fixes the problem.

HTH --Benji Fisher

Re: inserting backticks

On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 12:02:51PM +0200, Alexander 'boesi' Bösecke wrote:
 Hi
 
 Am 25.10.2006 10:32:47 schrieb A.J.Mechelynck:
 
  Unless you have a mapping for something starting with a backtick, 
 
 Well according to :verb imap ` I don't have one.

 Did you also try

:verbose imap Space
:verbose iabbrev `

and so on?  I suggest typing CTRL-V before the back-tick and before the
space.  Just to be sure, I would also try starting vim with

$ vim -u NONE

If that solves the problem, then you have some mapping, abbreviation, or
*something*.  If it does not solve the problem, then PEBKAV (Problem
Exists Between Keyboard And Vim).

HTH --Benji Fisher

Re: Cut'n'Paste via *p and different users

I was wondering, whether the clipboard-problem is caused
by some (possible wrong) settings of my system or a
normal behaviour of X/mrxvt and whether there are tricks
to make the clibboard working inter-user-al :) ... it
is so cool to use *p !!!

The following information is 100% untested, but my
understanding is that the X server has to be authorized (via
the MIT Magic Cookie) to accept connections from clients.

Quoting directly from Loren M. Lang's post (found at
http://groups.google.com/group/mailing.freebsd.questions/browse_thread/thread/dc2159c366eb9064/e9001ce2abaec9d3?lnk=stq=run+x+application+as+different+userrnum=4#e9001ce2abaec9d3

sorry for the long link)

[begin quote]--
3)what must i put in the .Xauthority file to make the
screensaver work with having to use xhost ?

When X first logs in to a user, it creates the .Xauthority
file in that users home directory and fills it with a random
string called a MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE. Any X client, by default,
reads that file to see what the cookie is then sends it to
the X server to authenticate itself. Anyone who can read
that file can access the display so that file is normally
only readable by the user who logged in, though root can
always read it because root is god. When you run an X
program as a different user, it will look in that users home
directory for the .Xauthority file and so won't be able to
find the right cookie unless you used the xauth command to
give that user the cookie ahead of time. By setting the
XAUTHORITY environment variable to some other file, it will
check that file for the magic cookie instead of the current
users home directory. This is useful when running a command
as root that you want to access a normal users X server.
This is a much more secure way to allow access to X than
using xhost since you know what users are able to access X,
not just which computers, which may have multiple users on
them.

In summary, don't touch xhost, just use:

XAUTHORITY=/home/user/.Xauthority xscreensaver

or you can use xauth to extract the magic cookie and then
import it into the correct users .Xauthority file. As the
user of the X server:

xauth extract my-cookie-file $DISPLAY

Saves the magic cookie to a file called my-cookie-file for
the current display. Then as the user who want to access
the X display:

xauth merge my-cookie-file

Adds the cookie stored in my-cookie file to the current
users .Xauthority file. Now user B can open an X
application on A's X server.

Oh, and don't run xscreensaver as root EVER! Instead, if
you're really paranoid about security, make a user who can
access any of your files whose sole purpose is to run
xscreensaver then use that user to run it. This is still
not that much more secure since any user that can access an
X server can essentially take it over and control your mouse
and keyboard doing what ever they want, like openning an
xterm on your display and running the passwd command to
change your passwd. Now they just gained access to all your
files as well.

[end quote]--

My guess is that, as root, you want to try something like

XAUTHORITY=/home/user/.Xauthority gvim file1.txt

The old-school way of doing this was to tinker with xhost to
allow a whole host (rather than a particular user) to connect to
the X server.

The aim is to allow your alternate user (root in this case)
permission to connect to the X server so that it can access the
clipboard(s). My understanding is that the keys found in the
.Xauthority file are the way to do this...that the alternate user
has to have the key.

Or I could be talking bunk. YMMV :)

-tim

Re: Cut'n'Paste via *p and different users

2006-10-25 Thread Meino Christian Cramer

From: Tim Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cut'n'Paste via *p and different users
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:19:29 -0500

I was wondering, whether the clipboard-problem is caused
by some (possible wrong) settings of my system or a
normal behaviour of X/mrxvt and whether there are tricks
to make the clibboard working inter-user-al :) ... it
is so cool to use *p !!!

 The following information is 100% untested, but my
 understanding is that the X server has to be authorized (via
 the MIT Magic Cookie) to accept connections from clients.

 Quoting directly from Loren M. Lang's post (found at 
 http://groups.google.com/group/mailing.freebsd.questions/browse_thread/thread/dc2159c366eb9064/e9001ce2abaec9d3?lnk=stq=run+x+application+as+different+userrnum=4#e9001ce2abaec9d3

 sorry for the long link)

snipped but never forgotten! :) 

 My guess is that, as root, you want to try something like

 XAUTHORITY=/home/user/.Xauthority gvim file1.txt

 The old-school way of doing this was to tinker with xhost to 
 allow a whole host (rather than a particular user) to connect to 
 the X server.

 The aim is to allow your alternate user (root in this case) 
 permission to connect to the X server so that it can access the 
 clipboard(s).  My understanding is that the keys found in the 
 .Xauthority file are the way to do this...that the alternate user 
 has to have the key.

 Or I could be talking bunk. YMMV :)

 -tim

Hi Tim !

 thanks a lot for that ! Simply: IT WORKS!

 Keep hacking!
 mcc

Re: Cut'n'Paste via *p and different users


XAUTHORITY=/home/user/.Xauthority gvim file1.txt

The old-school way of doing this was to tinker with xhost to 
allow a whole host (rather than a particular user) to connect to 
the X server.


The aim is to allow your alternate user (root in this case) 
permission to connect to the X server so that it can access the 
clipboard(s).  My understanding is that the keys found in the 
.Xauthority file are the way to do this...that the alternate user 
has to have the key.


Or I could be talking bunk. YMMV :)


 thanks a lot for that ! Simply: IT WORKS!



Other suggestions I've heard include, rather than *being* root, 
to try (as user)


[EMAIL PROTECTED] sudo gvim file1.txt

(assuming you have sudo configured to allow you to run gvim) 
which for some reason should work as well.  I've actually done 
this one, whereas my previous ramble was 100% untested.  I'm glad 
it worked.


Other ideas I've heard include creating a soft-link:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ln -s ~user/.Xauthority ~/.Xauthority

which doesn't work quite as well for non-root situations unless 
you explicitly share your ~user/.Xauthority file permission-wise, 
such as


[EMAIL PROTECTED] chmod ug+r ~/.Xauthority
[EMAIL PROTECTED] chown :alteregos ~/.Xauthority
[EMAIL PROTECTED] su -c user2
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ln -s ~user1/.Xauthority ~/.Xauthority

(those permissions *might* need to be ug+rw, but I'm not sure 
on that)  This assumes that user1 and user2 are members of hte 
alteregos group.


However, if you log in from [xkg]dm as user2 (or startx as 
user2), it might try and overwrite user1's .Xauthority file, 
which, if permissions aren't granted, might cause grief.  Not 
always a bad thing if only one person is logged on at a time, but 
if you have fast user switching (which, in the implementations 
I've seen, is done by running multiple X servers on multiple 
consoles), you might have some trouble.


Just a few more ideas to play with.

-tkc

Re: Problems with Align.vim


Benji Fisher wrote:


There are a few problems here.  First, it is too easy to miss the
warning

BE SURE TO GET THE LATEST VIMBALL PLUGIN BEFORE ATTEMPTING TO
USE SCRIPTS UPLOADED ON OR AFTER AUG 1, 2006

posted on http://mysite.verizon.net/astronaut/vim/index.html .  Ideally,
all links to recent plugins would redirect to a page line...
 



Every entry under the #VimFuncs label now has a sentence directing folks 
to the vimball entry,
where improved directions for extracting it may be found.  I've also 
fixed up several links and

labels.

Thank you for the feedback!  As you may guess, I seldom download files 
and extract 'em from

my own website...

Regards,
Chip Campbell

Re: navigate in command line completion

2006-10-25 Thread Aaron


koxinga wrote:

hello,

I like to have a menu to navigate through the propositions available 
when I hit Tab so I love the option wildmenu. However, it would be 
even better if the navigation was two-dimensional, on several lines, 
like in zsh when the option zstyle ':completion:*' menu select is set.


Is there a script doing that ?

thanks,

Pierre


I didn't know about wildmenu until just now, it is *awesome*.

--
Aaron
The Dude abides.

saving and loading views

2006-10-25 Thread Samuel Wright


Hi Guys, I used to have this in .vimrc

autocmd BufWinLeave * mkview
autocmd BufWinEnter * silent loadview

to automatically save and load folds. I have recently added it again,
but it does not seem to work in Vim 7 on Win XP.
Have I missed anything obvious?

Thanks

Sam

file name from command mode

2006-10-25 Thread Naim Far


Hi Vim guys,

Any body knows how to get the current file name in command mode?!

Thanx...

Re: file name from command mode


Any body knows how to get the current file name in command mode?!



The common way is either to use

expand('%')

in an expression (there are modifiers if you need pieces such as 
the path, extension, etc, as detailed in


:help expand()

) or control+R followed by a percent-sign to insert the current 
file-name as if you typed it:


:help i_CTRL-R
:help quote_%

(which works in command-line mode)

-tim

Re: saving and loading views


Samuel Wright wrote:


Hi Guys, I used to have this in .vimrc

autocmd BufWinLeave * mkview
autocmd BufWinEnter * silent loadview

to automatically save and load folds. I have recently added it again,
but it does not seem to work in Vim 7 on Win XP.
Have I missed anything obvious?



Well, nothing pops to my mind right off, but I'd suggest ditching that 
silent so
as to let vim forward any complaints it might have to your attention.  
At least

until you've got things working.

Regards,
Chip Campbell

match real number

2006-10-25 Thread Peng Yu


Hi,

I'm wondering if there is any built in regex to match real number? It
could make some application easier.

Thanks,
Peng

Re: match real number


I'm wondering if there is any built in regex to match real number? It
could make some application easier.



There aren't any builtin, and given that Vim doesn't have native 
support for floating-point math, it's not surprising.  One can 
use something like


[-+]\=[0-9]*\.\=[0-9]\+\%([eE][-+]\=[0-9]\+\)\=

which should handle most of the common cases I've seen.

-tim

has('unix')

2006-10-25 Thread Martin Krischik

Hello,

for my font plug in I need to know which OS I am running on to choose an 
appropriate font.  Now when Sun Solaris where added to the list of OS I use I 
run into a little problem:  there is only has('unix') - but that's not good 
enough as Linux allows for anti alias fonts and Sun Solaris does not.

Any ideas?

Martin
-- 
Martin Krischik
mailto://[EMAIL PROTECTED]


pgp2PEaek20E6.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Re: has('unix')


for my font plug in I need to know which OS I am running on to
choose an appropriate font.  Now when Sun Solaris where added
to the list of OS I use I run into a little problem:  there is
only has('unix') - but that's not good enough as Linux
allows for anti alias fonts and Sun Solaris does not.



Perhaps something like

if has('unix')
let os = system('uname')
if os ~= 'Linux'
 do linuxy stuff here
elseif os ~= 'Solaris'
 do solarisy stuff here
endif
endif

would do the trick?

-tim

Re: Anyway to sort scripts by last update date? (bad email address)


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


The vim.sf.net has a script search feature which can sort by Rating,...snip
 



Pan Shizhu:  I got this from my attempt to email to you...

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

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Regards,
Chip Campbell

Re: inserting backticks

Hi

Am 25.10.2006 15:08:23 schrieb Benji Fisher:

  Did you also try
 
 :verbose imap Space

no mapping for space

 :verbose iabbrev `

I didn't try it because today I've heard about abbreviation the first
time. But I have no abbreviations.

 and so on?  

What else should I try?

 I suggest typing CTRL-V before the back-tick and before the
 space. Just to be sure, I would also try starting vim with

 $ vim -u NONE

Both don't change anything. But as I've noted earlier, console-vim
doesn't have this problem - only gvim.

 If it does not solve the problem, then PEBKAV (Problem
 Exists Between Keyboard And Vim).

Hmpf
Can somebody at least confirm my problem? The mapping from my first mail
solves it, but I'd like to know the cause...


cu boesi
-- 
Vergessen wir alles, was wir zu wissen glauben,
und schaffen Platz fuer neue Erkenntnisse.

Re: has('unix')

2006-10-25 Thread Mikolaj Machowski

On śro paź 25 2006, vim@vim.org wrote:
 Hello,

 for my font plug in I need to know which OS I am running on to choose an
 appropriate font.  Now when Sun Solaris where added to the list of OS I
 use I run into a little problem:  there is only has('unix') - but
 that's not good enough as Linux allows for anti alias fonts and Sun
 Solaris does not.

 Any ideas?

if has('unix')
let os = system('uname -a')
endif

Depending on value of os proceed.

m.

Always bounces back

2006-10-25 Thread Billy Patton

test

Need to write a language

2006-10-25 Thread Billy Patton

I'm in the semiconductor industry.  My job is to create data and to run
regression tests on that data for the validation of physical layout rules.

Skip to bottom for questions, if you don't want to read my ramblings. 


The current problem is tha the rules are not in a computer readable form.
Many paople have a hand in writing different sections of the rules, so you
can imagine that the wording is widely varied.  There is no standard to
wording or even the dialog used.

One of the things I have been ask to do is to try and get a handle on how
the rules may be written that that they are computer readable.
I've been working with perl hash's and excel spread sheets.
The main problem I was having was that I was trying to decreace the
relationship words and increase the number of variables.  This was quickly
resulting in a spread sheet that was growing (number of columns) very
rapidly.  I assume excel has a limit to the number of columns.

The idea that I have come up with is to create a language with limited
descriptive words.  Here is an example of a rule that might be written in a
human readable form but also parsable by puter.

MET1 spacing to MET1 is 45 if MET1 width is = 245 and = 100

By looking at this
MET1 is a layer
Spacing width = = are relationships
If is a constraint
#'s are #'s

I want to have them write correct by construction.

Is it possible, in vim/gvim to open a special version of vim so that the
user can begin to type, spac , and it would complete the word?
Would it also be possible to not allow a word to be type'd if that word was
not in a list.

Vim would have to open in edit mode and remain there for most users, until
save/exit.  Most of the users of this would be hard core pc users who think
the only editor is word.  But there are a few unix users.

My questions.
1. Can vim be configured to automatically start in edit mode?
2. Can vim monitor each word that is being typed?
3. Can vim do word completion?
4. Can vim offer all possible spellings for partial word completion?
If the answer to most of qeustion above is yes
5. Can I do the programming?  I do perl, c, c++, csh and sh programming.

Re: getchar() trick with recursive expr map

2006-10-25 Thread Mikolaj Machowski

On śro paź 25 2006, Mikolaj Machowski wrote:
  In Linux terminal and GTK2 versions cursor is stuck in command line
  and don't at its real position making inserting of text almost random.
 Getting stuck at command-line is normal, as it is always waiting on
 getchar(). I realize will not be suitable for all applications, but
 works well for what I am trying to achieve. I don't however understand
 the random part that you are mentioning. What exactly is happening? Is
 the position where the text is inserted random?

No, just impression of randomness - user is accustomed to cursor and
when doesn't see it he is lost. In heavily restricted environment like
forms this is not so important.

m.

Re: Need to write a language

2006-10-25 Thread Karl Guertin


On 10/25/06, Billy Patton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I assume excel has a limit to the number of columns.


I believe the max is 65000 but that may be increased by now.


Is it possible, in vim/gvim to open a special version of vim so that the
user can begin to type, spac , and it would complete the word?


Yes.


Would it also be possible to not allow a word to be type'd if that word was
not in a list.


Harder, but probably.


My questions.
1. Can vim be configured to automatically start in edit mode?


Yes, but I forget what the setting is, you can just push it into
insert mode when you enter a buffer if nothing else.


2. Can vim monitor each word that is being typed?


You can remap the spacebar to trigger a function without difficulty or
you can monitor every keystroke if you want something fancier.

:help map.txt
:help map-arguments
:help autocmd
:help autocmd-events


3. Can vim do word completion?


Many types. :help completion


4. Can vim offer all possible spellings for partial word completion?


It does by default and you can view them as a menu if you're using Vim
7. If you want to provide a list of possible words to be completed, it
can be done by creating a ctags file.

:help completeopt


If the answer to most of qeustion above is yes
5. Can I do the programming?  I do perl, c, c++, csh and sh programming.


Most vim scripting is done in vimscript, which I consider to be fairly
close to bash/sh. You can also do scripting in Python. I'm not sure
about the perl interface.

Re: Need to write a language

2006-10-25 Thread Peter Hodge

--- Billy Patton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm in the semiconductor industry.  My job is to create data and to run
 regression tests on that data for the validation of physical layout rules.
 
 Skip to bottom for questions, if you don't want to read my ramblings. 
 
 
 The current problem is tha the rules are not in a computer readable form.
 Many paople have a hand in writing different sections of the rules, so you
 can imagine that the wording is widely varied.  There is no standard to
 wording or even the dialog used.
 
 One of the things I have been ask to do is to try and get a handle on how
 the rules may be written that that they are computer readable.
 I've been working with perl hash's and excel spread sheets.
 The main problem I was having was that I was trying to decreace the
 relationship words and increase the number of variables.  This was quickly
 resulting in a spread sheet that was growing (number of columns) very
 rapidly.  I assume excel has a limit to the number of columns.
 
 The idea that I have come up with is to create a language with limited
 descriptive words.  Here is an example of a rule that might be written in a
 human readable form but also parsable by puter.
 
 MET1 spacing to MET1 is 45 if MET1 width is = 245 and = 100
 
 By looking at this
 MET1 is a layer
 Spacing width = = are relationships
 If is a constraint
 #'s are #'s
 
 I want to have them write correct by construction.
 
 Is it possible, in vim/gvim to open a special version of vim so that the
 user can begin to type, spac , and it would complete the word?
 Would it also be possible to not allow a word to be type'd if that word was
 not in a list.
 
 Vim would have to open in edit mode and remain there for most users, until
 save/exit.  Most of the users of this would be hard core pc users who think
 the only editor is word.  But there are a few unix users.
 
 My questions.
 1. Can vim be configured to automatically start in edit mode?
 2. Can vim monitor each word that is being typed?
 3. Can vim do word completion?
 4. Can vim offer all possible spellings for partial word completion?
 If the answer to most of qeustion above is yes
 5. Can I do the programming?  I do perl, c, c++, csh and sh programming.


Hello,

As well as completing words, it would be very helpful if you wrote a syntax
file for your language. If your users see things in color, they can be sure
they have typed the commands correctly, but if the text is *not* colored, then
they will know they've got something wrong.

Something else you may want to consider - Map F5 to call a perl script which
examines the line under the cursor and prints a message explaining what needs
to be typed next.

regards,
Peter




 
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Re: inserting backticks

On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 09:29:45AM +0200, Alexander 'boesi' Bösecke wrote:
 Hi
 
 When inserting a backtick (`) I normally type `space. But sometimes
 nothing happens... When I enter a 2. space, I get a space. I can enter
 as many spaces as I want, but I get no backtick. When I type a letter,
 eg. d, _than_ I get `d at the current cursor position. Wnen I type a 2.
 ` instead of d, I get ``. 
 
 And really strange is that I can't reproduce this behaviour constantly.
 Eg. starting with an empty Vim (no file opened) and the backtick+space
 works as it should. Starting an empty Vim again and it doesn't work...
 I've tested it with python and tex files. Sometime `space produce a
 backtick, but mostly not.
 
 Well I could use a mapping like this:
 imap `space ``C-Ox
 But this is IMHO a bit too hackish.
 
 I'm using gVim 7 on WinXP. The Console-Vim seems to work correctly. Is
 this a matter of my configuration? Or where is the ` waiting?

On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 08:23:40PM +0200, Alexander 'boesi' Bösecke wrote:
 Hi
 
 Am 25.10.2006 15:08:23 schrieb Benji Fisher:
[snip]
  I suggest typing CTRL-V before the back-tick and before the
  space. Just to be sure, I would also try starting vim with
 
  $ vim -u NONE
 
 Both don't change anything. But as I've noted earlier, console-vim
 doesn't have this problem - only gvim.

 Sorry, I did not read the original post carefully the first time.

  If it does not solve the problem, then PEBKAV (Problem
  Exists Between Keyboard And Vim).
 
 Hmpf
 Can somebody at least confirm my problem? The mapping from my first mail
 solves it, but I'd like to know the cause...

 I do not see any such problem using gvim on Linux.

 If you want someone to try to reproduce the problem, we need more
information.  Where did you get your copy of vim; or, if you compiled
yourself, how did you do it?  (In the first case, please give a link to
the download site.  In the second case, we need to know patch level,
which compiler, what options you used to compile, etc.)  If in fact
PEBKAV, then it probably makes a difference what language/localization
you have for WinXP.

 I still suspect that a mapping or abbreviation is involved.
Especially since you mentioned tex:  have you installed latex-suite?  If
so, then

:set ft=tex
:imap `

should show that there is a mapping defined by plugin/imaps.vim .  Even
with this, I cannot reproduce the problem, though.

 If there is no problem with console-vim, then I want to know the
result of starting gvim while skipping all your startup files.  I am not
sure of the right syntax from an XP command line, but something like

$ gvim.exe -u NONE -U NONE

should do it.  If you still see the problem after starting gvim this
way, then I will be convinced that there is no errant mapping causing
problems.  (I think the -U NONE is redundant, but it does not hurt much
to leave it in.)

HTH --Benji Fisher

Re: Need to write a language