Re: Odp: BOF Vim 8 - Suggestions

2007-01-29 Thread Alexei Alexandrov
Hi Stefano Zacchiroli, you wrote: The solution of being compatible when invoked as 'vi' and being nocompatible when invoked in a different way made everybody happy. The (trivial) patch we are using to implement this behaviour is available at:

Re: Odp: BOF Vim 8 - Suggestions

2007-01-19 Thread John Beckett
A.J.Mechelynck wrote: I personally recommend to create the following as $HOME/_vimrc (or $HOME/.vimrc) immediately after first installation, and to add tweaks as one gets going: ... Good advice, as always, Tony. But I am trying to crack a different nut. In the BOF talk, Bram really was asking

Re: Odp: BOF Vim 8 - Suggestions

2007-01-19 Thread Nikolai Weibull
On 1/19/07, John Beckett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One problem was how search highlighting is persistent (which is great), but it is very distracting to some people when you want to turn your attention to another issue. Telling him how to map a key to do ':nohl' is just unnecessary mumbo jumbo.

Re: Odp: BOF Vim 8 - Suggestions

2007-01-19 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 05:46:55PM +0100, A.J.Mechelynck wrote: Vim defaults to 'compatible' mode everywhere, except where it finds a user _vimrc or .vimrc (system vimrc doesn't count). I personally recommend to create the following as $HOME/_vimrc (or $HOME/.vimrc) immediately after first

Re: Odp: BOF Vim 8 - Suggestions

2007-01-19 Thread A.J.Mechelynck
John Beckett wrote: A.J.Mechelynck wrote: I personally recommend to create the following as $HOME/_vimrc (or $HOME/.vimrc) immediately after first installation, and to add tweaks as one gets going: ... Good advice, as always, Tony. But I am trying to crack a different nut. In the BOF talk,

Re: Odp: BOF Vim 8 - Suggestions

2007-01-19 Thread John Beckett
Nikolai Weibull wrote: Perhaps a better way is to leave 'hlsearch' off and provide a binding that toggles it on and off. That way you don't get the distracting highlighting until you actually request it. OK but I imagine most people would like hlsearch on while they are searching (I certainly

Re: Odp: BOF Vim 8 - Suggestions

2007-01-19 Thread John Beckett
A.J.Mechelynck wrote: I sense an attitude here that it's just the luser's loss if they don't learn how to use Vim. Fair enough, but there should be a way for a non-vi user to enter a command telling Vim I'm one of those 95% of people who use a modern PC - please switch to a useful mode. Easy

Re: Odp: BOF Vim 8 - Suggestions

2007-01-19 Thread Nikolai Weibull
On 1/19/07, John Beckett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nikolai Weibull wrote: Perhaps a better way is to leave 'hlsearch' off and provide a binding that toggles it on and off. That way you don't get the distracting highlighting until you actually request it. OK but I imagine most people would

Re: Odp: BOF Vim 8 - Suggestions

2007-01-19 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 01:09:41PM +0100, Martin Stubenschrott wrote: First and most important thing would be to enable nocompatible by default when the executable name is (g)vim, compatible should still be on, when the executable name is vi. Enabling/disabling by an (non-)existing That's

Re: Odp: BOF Vim 8 - Suggestions

2007-01-19 Thread David Brown
Matthew Winn wrote: In other products I've seen where search highlighting is always on, it generally takes users no more than a couple of seconds to realise that if the highlighting is distracting them all they have to do is enter a search that won't work, typically by dragging their fingers

Re: Odp: BOF Vim 8 - Suggestions

2007-01-19 Thread A.J.Mechelynck
Martin Stubenschrott wrote: On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 07:28:51PM +1100, John Beckett wrote: In the BOF talk, Bram really was asking for ideas on what would make new users flock to Vim. Biggest changes would really be defaults imho. And that should be done without really compromising compatible

Re: Odp: BOF Vim 8 - Suggestions

2007-01-19 Thread A.J.Mechelynck
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 05:46:55PM +0100, A.J.Mechelynck wrote: Vim defaults to 'compatible' mode everywhere, except where it finds a user _vimrc or .vimrc (system vimrc doesn't count). I personally recommend to create the following as $HOME/_vimrc (or $HOME/.vimrc)

Re: Odp: BOF Vim 8 - Suggestions

2007-01-19 Thread John Beckett
Nikolai Weibull wrote: Well, hlsearch only kicks in /after/ you've completed your search, whether you're using 'incsearch' or not. I once thought this was a nice feature, but I've realized that I rarely need to have other matches highlighted. I mean, either I've found what I want using

Re: Odp: BOF Vim 8 - Suggestions

2007-01-18 Thread A.J.Mechelynck
MikoĊ‚aj Machowski wrote: I won't say more now. If Bram feels that improved defaults would be worth investigating, a discussion here would probably be best. OTOH people who dream in Vim script may not be the best source of ideas on how Vim should be configured to win new converts. I suppose