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Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Succinctly put, and in context.
From: Andy Baracco
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 12:49 AM
To: viphone
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Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi Joe, I want to address your question about Braille input in iOS. In
my view it is not fit for purpose. I don't know what it is about Braille
input Apple doesn't get, whether the blind people they consult with
about
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Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
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Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi Joe, I want to address your question about Braille input in iOS. In
my view
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Hi Joe, I want to address your question
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Joe
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Of Jonathan Mosen
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Of Jonathan Mosen
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
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Hi Joe, I want to address your question about Braille input in iOS. In
my view it is not fit for purpose. I don't know what
Look for the caveat regarding the U2 at the end of my post. It will be below
the answer to your last question.
- Original Message -
From: Joe
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 5:24 PM
Subject: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi, I'm curious to hear
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Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 1:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi Joe, I want to address your question about Braille input in iOS. In
my view it is not fit for purpose. I don't know what
Hi David.
I will have to disagree with you here. I am as I am sure you know danish. We
have never had contracted braille in jaws, but we have 8 dots
braille/computerbraille. I agree that we can easily type in computerbraille,
and it would probably be the best thing to do, also to keep your
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On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
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Subject: Re: Replacing Braille
Joe, part of the reason we are switching to UEB is so that it can
better respond to changes in print that have occurred rapidly since we
began using computers. In theory, this should make it easier for
Apple to follow UEB rules in their computers and devices.
On 6/21/15, Joe Quinn
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Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi Joe, I want to address your question about Braille input in iOS.
In my view it is not fit for purpose. I don't know what it is about
Braille input Apple doesn't get, whether the blind people they
consult with about these things
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 1:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi Joe, I want to address your question about Braille input in iOS.
In my view it is not fit for purpose. I don't know what
It does. I've almost been thinking of going back to the regular English braille
instead of UEB just because it takes up less room. I hope Apple doesn't take
out that option. Though they may, considering that everyone has switched to it
by the time IOS 9 comes out.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun
I use Standard English Braille, and on iOS I prefer to use eight-dot braille
input, and Contracted Braille output. Generally less errors that way.
From: Annie Skov Nielsen
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 3:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi
Hi Elizabeth. Apple attended the NFB convention back in about 2010 I think, but
tends not to attend either convention on a regular basis.
I regularly use my Focus 14 Blue to tweet, post to Facebook, answer emails and
texts. I can even edit the occasional document. So I think for adults, it's a
Hello Jonathan, Thank you for your thought-provoking post in answer to
Joe's question regarding Braille output and IOS. I currently have a
BrailleNote Apex notetaker, and I have also been thinking about purchasing
one of the tiny displays that will work in conjunction with i devices such
as
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Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hello Folks,
I have been following this thread, especially regarding the HW products. I
haven't paired my Apex to my iPhone 6 in quite a while. This is because I have
chosen my braille input on the phone to use the MBraille app
, June 21, 2015 11:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hello Jonnathan. I have two questions for you.
1. When using a focus 40 blue with IOS devices, does the focus ever lock up
when you are writing braille? Do you have a 16 32 or 64 bit IOS
There have been documented issues with Humanware products and the I devices
that have not occured with similar devices from other manufacturers.
Andy
From: Alex Hall
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 7:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
I do
That’s fine as long as you are not writing for publication.
Andy
From: Brett
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 1:12 PM
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Subject: RE: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
I personally don’t use UEB. I find it faster to read and write in contracted
braille than in UEB
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Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi Paul, I wish I had a better answer other than continuing to write to Apple
Accessibility, and putting pressure on via those who make the purchasing
decisions about these devices
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Subject: RE: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Somewhat back to the original inquiry, if Braille is such a vital part of the
job, and if you’re an experienced Windows based screen reader, then maybe
consider looking into one of those windows based tablets. Dell Venue
in Progress:
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Cristóbal
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Somewhat back
that they can
reduce prices and still make enough to feed their employees.
Andy
-Original Message-
From: Marianne Denning
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 7:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Sadly, the cost of each braille cell is very
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Subject: RE: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
I personally don’t use UEB. I find it faster to read and write in contracted
braille than in UEB and since the only time I read Braille these days is
either with my computer or iPhone, I don’t really see any reason for me to
use
: Saturday, June 20, 2015 1:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi Joe, I want to address your question about Braille input in iOS.
In my view it is not fit for purpose. I don't know what it is about
Braille input Apple doesn't get
the problem of the Brailliant locking up.
Thanks so much.
Paul
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 7:35 AM
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Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi Paul, I
: Sunday, 21 June 2015 11:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
It does. I've almost been thinking of going back to the regular English braille
instead of UEB just because it takes up less room. I hope Apple doesn't take
out that option. Though
Jonathan,
I respectfully disagree with you about braille. Contracted braille is like
print shorthand. It became mainstream because braille is so large on paper, so
it was developed to drastically reduce the footprint of braille.
Now that we have electronic braille, we should be learning and
, June 20, 2015 1:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi Joe, I want to address your question about Braille input in iOS. In my view
it is not fit for purpose. I don't know what it is about Braille input Apple
doesn't get, whether the blind
: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi Joe, I want to address your question about Braille input in iOS. In my
view it is not fit for purpose. I don't know what it is about Braille input
Apple doesn't get, whether the blind people they consult with about these
things aren't Braille users
Hi David. I think this is a separate issue from what we are discussing. I
disagree with you because as someone who must read a lot for public
presentations and audio production work, I find contracted Braille helps me
process information much more quickly than uncontracted Braille. That's
Hi.
I currently don’t have a Braille display, so I don’t know the answer to my
question. From what I’m hearing the input of Braille with the Braille keyboard
isn’t the best. This leads me to my question. Are there any Blue Tooth
displays that use a QWERTY keyboard? If so, this may solve
of the Braille displays use a QWERTY keyboard? RE: Replacing
Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi.
I currently don’t have a Braille display, so I don’t know the answer to my
question. From what I’m hearing the input of Braille with the Braille keyboard
isn’t the best. This leads me to my
Agreed; contracted braille is really important to me when I have to read it.
It's faster and, vitally in today's market of tiny cell counts, more fits on
one line. The OP asked specifically about 32-cell units, and if you think about
it, even those are quite small compared to what a sighted
better to just get
a Bluetooth keyboard and have that, alongside braille display – if necessary.)
From: Kevin Minor
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Do any of the Braille displays use a QWERTY keyboard? RE: Replacing
Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi
, June 20, 2015 1:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi Joe, I want to address your question about Braille input in iOS. In my
view it is not fit for purpose. I don't know what it is about Braille input
Apple doesn't get, whether
displays use a QWERTY keyboard? RE: Replacing
Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi.
I currently don’t have a Braille display, so I don’t know the answer to my
question. From what I’m hearing the input of Braille with the Braille
keyboard isn’t the best. This leads me to my question
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Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi Joe, I want to address your question about Braille input in iOS. In my
view it is not fit for purpose. I don't know what it is about Braille input
Apple doesn't get, whether the blind
: Re: Do any of the Braille displays use a QWERTY keyboard? RE:
Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Succinctly put, and in context.
From: Andy Baracco
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 12:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Do any of the Braille displays use a QWERTY
Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi Joe, I want to address your question about Braille input in iOS. In my
view it is not fit for purpose. I don't know what it is about Braille input
Apple doesn't get, whether the blind people they consult with about these
things aren't
Succinctly put, and in context.
From: Andy Baracco
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 12:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Do any of the Braille displays use a QWERTY keyboard? RE:
Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
It would be much cheaper to get a small bluetooth Braille
Actually, with such note takers as those from Humanware, Hims and Freedom
Scientific, that use a Braille display and a qwerty keyboard, you can type on
the keyboards using the standard typing mode, or you can convert the qwerty
keyboards to Braille writer style keyboards, which then use letters
Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Actually, with such note takers as those from Humanware, Hims and Freedom
Scientific, that use a Braille display and a qwerty keyboard, you can type on
the keyboards using the standard typing mode, or you can convert the qwerty
keyboards to Braille writer style
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 1:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi Joe, I want to address your question about Braille input in iOS. In my
:
www.JoeOrozco.com/
Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 1:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi Joe, I want to address your question
See below.
On Jun 19, 2015, at 5:24 PM, Joe jsoro...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, I'm curious to hear from people who have replaced their Braille
notetaker with an iDevice. I've been toying with the idea of investing in a
U2 for reading books, taking notes and performing similar quick tasks.
Back in the day, I was considering getting an Apex note taker and in fact had
one for a few days to give it a spin. For the price though, I simply wasn't
convinced. I instead set myself up with what was at that time an iPad 2,
bluetooth keyboard and 40 cell Brailiant BI 40. The Apex would have
Hi Joe, I want to address your question about Braille input in iOS. In my view
it is not fit for purpose. I don't know what it is about Braille input Apple
doesn't get, whether the blind people they consult with about these things
aren't Braille users, or what the deal is. They have the
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