Re: Safari: Read list, RSS (Social) Feeds

[Arnold Schmidt]

You are correct, in that entries in the reading list area cannot be deleted 
using VoiceOver. It has been this way for quite a while now. For this reason, I 
no longer use it. I definitely would use the reading list if I could delete 
items from it. 

Arnold Schmidt 


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone

On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:08 PM, Gordan Radić  wrote:

Hi!

I hope this is called Read List in English, I use my phone in Croatian so I'm 
improvising xD.

I'm talking about the option in Safari to add pages I want to read later or 
offline to Read or Reading List. I can successfuly add some pages there but I'm 
not able to delete them. When I flick up or down I hear Delete but when I 
confirm it with double tap nothing happens. Can someone clarify on this one?

The other one is Social Links or however is it called, it is in the same place 
as Reading List, just another tab. I have imported some sites there and as in 
previous topic, I can't delete them. Here I don't even get the option to 
delete. I'm noticing there's always just a hundreed of items so I believe this 
works as FIFO but Icould use confirmation on this.

Thanks!


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Re: Signing up for the Apple Beta

[Mary Otten]

I am happy to report that it worked. And thank you.
Mary


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> On Aug 28, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Kimberly  wrote:
> 
> I hope this works for you, Mary. I had several failed attempts before I 
> discovered that was not the button to be tapping.
> 
> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:31 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks so much, Kimber. I was using the button next to the password field. I 
>> didn't even realize there was one next to the keyboard, except for the usual 
>> one that sometimes his search or other times says go. I didn't even look. 
>> Will do that now.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 9:26 AM, Kimberly  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was having a similar problem to yours when I was trying to sign up for 
>>> the beta. Make sure you are not tapping the button immediately below the 
>>> password field but instead tap the button that appears next to the 
>>> keyboard. Try that and see if it works better.
>>> 
>>> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 28, 2016, at 11:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
 
 Hi Mary,
 
 Are you doing this from the device that you want to register? 
 Unfortunately there isn't much I can tell  you other than that it has to 
 be done from the device you want to register, you go to beta.apple.com and 
 follow the links and steps required. Are you using a Bluetooth keyboard or 
 do you use the on-screen keyboard, make sure if you use a Bluetooth 
 keyboard that you don't have caps lock on when you enter your password. I 
 know these is basic advice which as an experienced user you probably know 
 and have checked, but unless there was some sort of issue with the Apple 
 servers this is all I can think of.
 You are correct, by the way, the iPad 2 is not going to get iOS 10 any 
 more and as far as I know of all Lightning devices the iPod Touch fifth 
 gen for some reason also will not  be compatible any more, the only iPod 
 that can run iOS 10 is the sixth generation iPod Touch.
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
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 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Mary Otten
 Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 4:45 PM
 To: VIPhone 'RobH. ' via 
 Subject: Signing up for the Apple Beta
 
 Now that we are so close to the release of iOS 10, I decided to take a 
 flyer on the beta using my iPad too. I should say my iPad mini two, since 
 I don't know that the iPad 2 is even eligible for this beta, and in any 
 case, I don't have an iPad too. So I would like to hear from someone off 
 the list who might be able to shed light on the following. I went to the 
 beta site and went to sign up with my Apple ID. I very carefully entered 
 my Apple ID and very carefully entered my password. I was told either my 
 ID or password was incorrect. I have repeated this process twice more 
 being extremely careful each time. And each time the result is the same. I 
 have had and used this Apple ID ever since I got my first device years 
 ago. And I have never had a problem with it, nor have I changed the 
 password. The many hundreds of dollars worth of stuff I bought from the 
 various stores attest to the fact that I have had no problem entering my 
 password upon request. Smile. I don't think I am missing a step, that is 
 something I would have to do before trying to sign up for the beta with my 
 ID. I didn't see anything on the first page of the beta site. So can 
 someone who has done this please enlighten me as to what I may be doing 
 wrong.
 Mary
 
 
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RE: need iPhone app works well with scale

[Sieghard Weitzel]

My issue with   the Qardio scale is that is is more expensive and actually it 
does not get very good reviews.



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Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 2:47 PM
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Subject: RE: need iPhone app works well with scale

I received the below from the Qardio support team a few months back. I haven't 
explored this further, but it may be of interest to you. These are the folks 
that provide the QardioArm Blood Pressure cuff that I and others use here with 
some success Their scale is called QardioBase..

Keith

Thank you for emailing Qardio.

QardioBase works fairly well for people with vision impairments, with the 
exception of one feature.

The feature that allows setting weight goals is currently not working well with 
VoiceOver. 
We are unhappy about that, and we are working on a re-design of the screen that 
allows you to set weight goals, so that it works great for everyone.

Every other feature works well with VoiceOver.

Using QardioBase with vision impairments:

- Weight and body composition measurements are visualized immediately on your 
iPhone and VoiceOver can read the measurement for you

- QardioBase has haptic feedback, so after the measurement you feel the scale 
vibrating under your feet to inform you that the measurement is completed.

- stepping on the scale: QardioBase is round, most scales on the market today 
are round or square. QardioBase, however, has a round feature on its top that 
indicates the back of the scale for you - the side on which your heels should 
be.
You can clearly feel this feature with your feet, it's 1mm think and about the 
size of the inner circle you create by touching the tips of your thumb and 
index fingers. 

Once you have the correct orientation of the scale, you can just step on it.

If you have large feet, having your toes "sticking out" does not affect the 
accuracy of the measurements.

Here is an older post by AFB about our commitment to make our products work 
great with VoiceOver:
http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pub.asp?DocID=aw170101 

I hope this answers your questions.

If we can help with anything else, just let us know, we’ll be glad to help.

Kind regards,
Tomas
The Qardio Team




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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 12:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: need iPhone app works well with scale

Hi Larry,

I assume you are talking about a body scale? If so, this article from Jonathan 
Mosen may help:

http://mosen.org/weight-weight-do-tell-me-my-search-for-a-reliable-accessible-smart-scale/


Regards,
Sieghard

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Larry McCreary
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 6:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: need iPhone app works well with scale

Hello, Is there a scale that works with a particular iPhone app or if someone 
can recommend a good talking scale that would be nice.  Thanks very much for 
your help.

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RE: calendar ... user error, sorry about that

[Ann Byrne]

Good grief, charlie Brown!  I thought I had set it up to notify me, 
but I hadn't.  thanks for your patience.


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RE: E-Mail Client

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Richard,

You can delete individual messages although I think when you double tap on a 
thread and the rotor is turned to messages that once you flick to a particular 
message the delete button at the bottom in the middle should just delete this 
message and not prompt you to delete the entire thread. Anyhow, here is how you 
can delete individual messages:

When you are in the Inbox and come to a thread/conversation with several 
messages, don’t double tap on it. Instead with your rotor on “Actions” which 
should be the default, flick down until you get to an item called “Expand 
Thread”.
Double tap on that and now the thread will expand and all the messages are now 
actually just showing up in whichever mailbox you are in as individual 
messages. They continue to do so until you go back to the first message, flick 
down to “Collapse Thread” and double tap.
Now you can swipe to any message in the thread, flick up or down to “Delete” in 
the actions rotor and double tap to delete the message you are on.

if you double tap on any of the messages in the thread to open/read it you now 
are back in the conversation and the messages option is there on the rotor and 
you can flick up and down to move through your messages.
The delete button at the bottom of a message once again prompts you to “Trash 
Messages” which means if you do so all messages/the entire thread will be 
deleted.

I just realized as I am writing this that my phone locked on me and after I 
unlock it it lost focus on where I was in the list and when I scrolled down 
again to the message I tested this on it was still expanded. Also, leaving the 
Mail app and going back to the home screen and then opening mail again left it 
expanded.
Only when I closed the mail app in the app switcher and then reopened it was 
the thread collapsed again.
Of course you can always go to the first message of the thread and flick down 
to “Collapse” and double tap to manually collapse the messages back to a single 
entry which contains all the messages of that thread.

It takes a bit of getting used to, but I quite like how Apple has done this 
with the exception of the delete button in an open message, I think that should 
let you delete the individual message you are in as well.


Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 12:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: E-Mail Client

The only thing I do not like about the new threading method with the message 
item in the rotor, is that if you chose to use threading, and you want to 
delete just 1 message, it deletes the entire thread. At least, when 
experimenting with that feature, I have not found a way to just delete one 
message in a thread, or to delete all but one, however you want to look at it.
Richard


“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya


(Sent from my iPod 6)

On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
> wrote:
Correct, in the first few betas this “Messages” item on the rotor wasn’t 
working so well yet so for a while I turned off threaded messages in Mail 
settings and all messages were separate messages. I’m not sure how to describe 
it, but while it keeps conversations together and with the rotor turned to 
Messages it’s super easy to flick up and down browsing through the messages, 
they are still separate messages and not part of one big message. You can still 
delete individual messages in a conversation which wouldn’t be possible if they 
were all lumped into one message.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: E-Mail Client

Running iOS 10 beta 6 turning it off in mail settings gives me every message as 
a separate message in a thread/conversation.

Richard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 10:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: E-Mail Client

That doesn't sound very good, unless I'm misunderstanding it. It sounds kind of 
like what happens when you get a digest. You know, somebody replies to a 
message that they got as part of a digest and doesn't delete everything. So you 
get this great long mass. I can't believe that's what they're doing. Sighted 
people would hate that. I guess we'll all just have to wait and see what the 
final thing looks like.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:24 AM, Gordan Radić 
> wrote:

Hi!

I believe we misunderstood somewhere along the way xD.

I know about threaded view, it is available since iOS 5 or something but 

Re: ~Re: Where is the "send" button?

[Christopher Chaltain]

Preview is what a sighted person would see next to each message in their 
list of emails, such as your in box. With VoiceOver, you'll hear the 
preview read after a slight pause, if you have hints turned on in 
VoiceOver. This way you can hear a bit of the message and determine if 
you want to read it, move it to a folder or delete it without actually 
opening it up.


To pull up a link, you should just be able to double tap on the link.

On 28/08/16 20:09, Jewel wrote:

Sieghard! My head is spinning with all that information, so as it is unlikely 
that I will be able to
assimilate it all in one session, it will be saved in my "invaluable info" 
folder.

I am making some headway in understanding this new gizmo and have, with some 
success, sent a couple
of emails, and received a couple as well.
In message settings, I have set it to keep messages for 30 days before 
deleting, so that should give
me plenty of time to get a grasp of what I am doing.
What does preview mean?  I have it set for 5 lines.
When I turned the phone on this morning, I was told that I had 1 unread email , 
but in that one, my
correspondent made reference to having sent 2 earlier ones, which I, 
eventually, did  tracked down,
that contained the link to a YouTube movie.  How does one activate a link on 
the iPhone?
With my hearing getting worse, I find it difficult to pick up what vo is 
saying:  I have speech set
at 45% so that does not need to be adjusted, but I would like to read  sentence 
by sentence, and
then be able to go back to reread them.
I have the rotor set to characters which suits me as I use that setting to 
check clues in Word
Ladder, so do I have to reset it from characters to sentences when I read an 
email and then reset it
to characters when I play WL?

Jewel --
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 4:09 AM
To: 
Subject: RE: Where is the "send" button?

Hi Jewell and Deidre,

Just as a small correction, it is actually not "the third line". Yes, you have 
to swipe twice from
the Cancel button to get to Send, but visually Cancel, the email subject and 
Send are all on the
same line.

When you have composed an email in the Mail app or are replying to one, the 
Send button is more or
less at the top right corner. Cancel is at the top left and in the middle is a 
heading which when
you compose a new message says "New Message" at first, as soon as you typed a 
subject it will say
whatever it is you typed as the subject or whatever the subject is of the email 
you are replying to.
I say the send button is "more or less" at the top right corner because just a 
tiny bit above it and
all the way across the device from left to right is a button that is announced as 
"Minimize Draft".
If you started a message and want to finish it later, you can double tap it and 
it will save the
message as a draft and go back to the main mailbox you were in.
So, visually you have your status bar at the top with the time, battery level 
on the right and so
on.
Underneath and all the way across is the "Minimize Draft" button. If you were 
to touch the time and
slowly drag your finger down along the right side of the phone you would find 
it, but you would also
find it if you touch the time in the middle and drag down or if you touch the 
carrier logo/signal
strength on the left and drag down as it goes all the way across.
Underneath that on the next line is "Cancel" at the left", "New Message or Message 
Subject" in the
middle and "Send" on the right.
If you touch the time and drag down past Minimize Draft you next get to Send.
If you want to swipe and are, for example, on Cancel, then you can swipe left 
once to get to the
Minimize Draft button, you can swipe right twice to get to Send.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Deidre Muccio
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 12:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Where is the "send" button?

Also, you can swipe backwards and it's just before the to field in which you 
have put the name of
the person or their email the one that you're sending the email to. Period.

Deidre



On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Jewel  wrote:

I know where it used to be, but I have just created a gmail account
for my 5S iPhone, and I cannot find "send" anywhere.  I am sure that
it must be lurking in some corner, but just where that corner might be is 
eluding me.

 Jewel


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Re: Does WIFI Calling Save Battery Life?

[Christopher Chaltain]

You can go into Settings -> Cellular and turn off cellular data. You can 
also turn on airplane mode and then turn on wifi.


My Apple devices don't support wifi calling. I'm worried that I've been 
talking about wifi calling on this list when I thought I was talking 
about it on an Android list. If so, I apologize if I said anything 
incorrectly, and I hope and I'm sure someone will correct anything I said.


On 28/08/16 18:10, Casey wrote:

Okay let me ask this then.
How do you turn off your cell radio on your phone so you can use wi-phi
calling instead if you would like to try it out?




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RE: Does WIFI Calling Save Battery Life?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Duo is meant to be a video calling app. Maybe they'll allow for voice calls 
only at some point, maybe they won't. There are of course plenty of options for 
Voip voice calls, the most obvious and extremely accessible one would be Skype, 
then there is Facetime Audio if you have people who also have iPhones, Facebook 
allows for voice and video calls and Whats App allows for voice calls. Of all 
the ones I mentioned Skype is the only one where you can also make calls to 
regular phone numbers without the person having a Skype account, but that of 
course requires a subscription or credit.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dave
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 4:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does WIFI Calling Save Battery Life?

does Duo, support voice only calling yet, or is it still just video calling 
only?

Dave.

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From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 11:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does WIFI Calling Save Battery Life?

You could use a VOIP app, like Skype, Duo or other apps.

If your phone and your carrier supports wifi calling then you can make and 
receive texts and calls over wifi when you don't have cellular service. When 
I've used it it's just been automatic and transparent. I'm not sure if you can 
force a call to go over wifi calling even if you have a good cell connection.

On 28/08/16 17:28, Casey wrote:
> Hi how do you make A call on wi-fi instead of your cell service?

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RE: Does WIFI Calling Save Battery Life?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

WiFi calling must be supported by your carrier and you don't turn off your 
phone's normal radio.

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Casey
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 4:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does WIFI Calling Save Battery Life?

Okay let me ask this then.
How do you turn off your cell radio on your phone so you can use wi-phi calling 
instead if you would like to try it out?


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RE: multtiple topics: apple tv, netflicks, hulu, etc.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Sorry, my mistake, I must have been dreaming when I said $199 and $249 instead 
of $149 and $199 which is of course correct.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
MamaPeach
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 1:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: multtiple topics: apple tv, netflicks, hulu, etc.

Wow, this has gone up. When I bought mine, the 32 gig model was $149 and the 64 
gig was $199. I purchased the $199 model.

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 11:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: multtiple topics: apple tv, netflicks, hulu, etc.

Hi Richard and David,

First of all, the fourth generation Apple TV also supports Bluetooth keyboards. 
It did not when it was first released, but a later TVOS updated added Bluetooth 
keyboard support.
Once the TVOS 10 update is released in a few weeks there is also single sign-in 
although I am not sure how this works if, for example, you use different 
passwords for let’s say Netflix, Youtube and Hulu.
The Apple TV Fourth Generation is available with 32 Gb internal storage for 
$199 US and with 64 Gb for $249. This storage is for downloading apps and so 
on, you cannot record shows with the fourth generation Apple TV nor could you 
with previous versions.
As Richard already said, apps like Netflix, Hulu, Youtube and so on are all 
free. I would imagine that pretty much all apps which require a subscription 
would offer the app for free. Keep in mind that at this point many apps you can 
get on the Apple TV require a cable subscription to work and do not offer a 
stand-along subscription via the Apple TV. I believe this is the case with 
Disney.
I am pretty sure you can watch and get a subscription for the mlb network via 
the Apple TV.
I think for anybody who watches a fair bit of TV the Apple TV may not yet be a 
satisfactory replacement although I really like ours and think it’s a 
worthwhile item to have for anybody who is involved in the Apple ecosystem and 
especially if you want a beautifully accessible platform for Netflix, Youtube 
and so on.
. There have been rumours that apple is negotiating with major content 
providers so they can offer an A La Card TV service where you can pay for 
channels you want without being forced to subscribe to channel bundles which 
may include stuff you never watch. However, it does not look like Apple is even 
close to reaching agreements with these content providers and one theory I 
heard is that Apple thinks they are top dog and approach these negotiations 
with a fair bit of ssuperiority and self-importance thinking these major 
content providers which are huge companies also are going to fall to their 
knees thanking Apple for what they want to do and offer them killer deals. 
Apparently this is not so and the two sides are still miles apart from reaching 
an agreement as to how this would work.


Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 12:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: multtiple topics: apple tv, netflicks, hulu, etc.

In short, not all, or even most, shows on the major networks are available on 
Netflix.
Sometimes you wait a year or more before a TV series shows up on Netflix.
All the ones you mentioned, Netflix, Hulu, and MLB, are subscriptions. The apps 
are free, but only useful with a paid subscription.
If you get the Apple TV, you will be able to use the VoiceOver feature to enter 
your login information for the various subscriptions.
With the 3rd Generation Apple TV, you could also sync a Bluetooth keyboard, 
which made account info entry much easier.
That's what I think I know.
HTH,
Richard


“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya


(Sent from my iPod 6)

On Aug 27, 2016, at 12:09 PM, david gross 
> wrote:
I have numerous naive questions.

We purchased a wi fi ready tv.

We have never used that feature as of yet.

My wife who is low vision records a lot on the dvr.

We have verizon fios.

We are ttold by year's end there will be taling menus. I'll believe it whenn it 
happens.

So I am intterested in apple tv. What is the cost for the current version?

I understand tthat apple tv let's you use netflicks, huulu, etc.

Are the cost off these apps in addition to the base apple price, or included in 
the base price?

I would like to"cut the cord" next summer with fios when my contract ends and 
use apple tv and or apps.

I am not clear as to the types of programs available on netflicks, hulu, etc. 
If these apps include the regular 4 major network programms, what is the delay 
or lag time to access the shows after their orifinal network broadcast?

My wife recorded big brother the other night. 

Re: Looking for a list for beta testers who also use VO

[Adam Morris]

Hi Richard and all,

My friend did the same thing and has been waiting for over a month for 
approval.





On 29/08/16 01:05, Richard Turner wrote:


I just sent a message to the link provided and got a response very 
quickly to either reply to the message or to go to a link to confirm 
my interest, after which the moderator has to approve the subscription.


I first tried the link, it asked to enter the Email address and then 
had a visual captcha with no audio alternative. Typical Google 
approach to things.


So, I opted to just reply to the Email.  Time will tell.

Richard

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
Behalf Of *Shawn Krasniuk

*Sent:* Saturday, August 27, 2016 8:47 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Looking for a list for beta testers who also use VO

Hi. Matt Dierckens runs a google group called Apple Beta Discussion. 
You can subscribe to it by sending a blank email to 
apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com 
. Also the 
same guy has a Roger group version of that list. If you have Roger and 
you'd like to be a part of that group, email me privately with your 
handle on Roger and I'll ask him if it's cool that you become a member.


Shawn

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Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 

On Aug 27, 2016, at 8:15 PM, Donna > wrote:

There is a beta list on Google. Don't know the subscribe address
though.

Donna

There is a list currently operating.
A friend of mine has been waiting over a month to be subscribed.
I've written to the owner suggesting that I could set up a
list if he is too busy but have heard nothing and that was
weeks ago.

On 28/08/16 07:52, rajmund wrote:

Hi, I know 2 lists, on of them is his, but I really don't
know whether I am allowed to give subscription addresses
or not.


Sent from my iPhone 5S


On 27 Aug 2016, at 7:20 pm, Christopher Chaltain
> wrote:

I think Jonathan Mosen has such a list, but I'm not on
it, and I couldn't find anything with a quick web
search. Maybe knowing this will help you find it.

On 27/08/16 08:53, afik sofir wrote:

Kimberley,

If you'll get answer, please let me know.

My e-mail address is:

afik.so...@gmail.com 


‫ב-27 באוג׳ 2016, בשעה 15:11, ‏‏Kimber Gardner

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Hi All,

Is there a list for iOS beta testers who also
use VO?

Thanks,

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Re: Signing up for the Apple Beta

[Kimberly]

I hope this works for you, Mary. I had several failed attempts before I 
discovered that was not the button to be tapping.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:31 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Thanks so much, Kimber. I was using the button next to the password field. I 
> didn't even realize there was one next to the keyboard, except for the usual 
> one that sometimes his search or other times says go. I didn't even look. 
> Will do that now.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 9:26 AM, Kimberly  wrote:
>> 
>> I was having a similar problem to yours when I was trying to sign up for the 
>> beta. Make sure you are not tapping the button immediately below the 
>> password field but instead tap the button that appears next to the keyboard. 
>> Try that and see if it works better.
>> 
>> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 11:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mary,
>>> 
>>> Are you doing this from the device that you want to register? Unfortunately 
>>> there isn't much I can tell  you other than that it has to be done from the 
>>> device you want to register, you go to beta.apple.com and follow the links 
>>> and steps required. Are you using a Bluetooth keyboard or do you use the 
>>> on-screen keyboard, make sure if you use a Bluetooth keyboard that you 
>>> don't have caps lock on when you enter your password. I know these is basic 
>>> advice which as an experienced user you probably know and have checked, but 
>>> unless there was some sort of issue with the Apple servers this is all I 
>>> can think of.
>>> You are correct, by the way, the iPad 2 is not going to get iOS 10 any more 
>>> and as far as I know of all Lightning devices the iPod Touch fifth gen for 
>>> some reason also will not  be compatible any more, the only iPod that can 
>>> run iOS 10 is the sixth generation iPod Touch.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 4:45 PM
>>> To: VIPhone 'RobH. ' via 
>>> Subject: Signing up for the Apple Beta
>>> 
>>> Now that we are so close to the release of iOS 10, I decided to take a 
>>> flyer on the beta using my iPad too. I should say my iPad mini two, since I 
>>> don't know that the iPad 2 is even eligible for this beta, and in any case, 
>>> I don't have an iPad too. So I would like to hear from someone off the list 
>>> who might be able to shed light on the following. I went to the beta site 
>>> and went to sign up with my Apple ID. I very carefully entered my Apple ID 
>>> and very carefully entered my password. I was told either my ID or password 
>>> was incorrect. I have repeated this process twice more being extremely 
>>> careful each time. And each time the result is the same. I have had and 
>>> used this Apple ID ever since I got my first device years ago. And I have 
>>> never had a problem with it, nor have I changed the password. The many 
>>> hundreds of dollars worth of stuff I bought from the various stores attest 
>>> to the fact that I have had no problem entering my password upon request. 
>>> Smile. I don't think I am missing a step, that is something I would have to 
>>> do before trying to sign up for the beta with my ID. I didn't see anything 
>>> on the first page of the beta site. So can someone who has done this please 
>>> enlighten me as to what I may be doing wrong.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
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RE: need iPhone app works well with scale

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

Hi,

I don't use the Health app, but did go in and check. Qardio was listed as an 
app there, and there was at least one blood pressure reading. There wouldn't be 
any other way for a blood pressure reading to get there if it wasn't through 
QardioArm. So, yes, I'm pretty sure that at least the QardioArm talks to the 
Health app.

Let us know what else you find out.

Thanks, Keith

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
englishride...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 6:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: need iPhone app works well with scale

Do you know if the cardio scale and blood pressure monitor sync data with iOS's 
Health app? This scale sounds really good from an accessibility standpoint. I 
think I'll go look for it on-line and see what reviews have to say about it in 
a more general sense.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
>  wrote:
> 
> I received the below from the Qardio support team a few months back. I 
> haven't explored this further, but it may be of interest to you. These are 
> the folks that provide the QardioArm Blood Pressure cuff that I and others 
> use here with some success Their scale is called QardioBase..
> 
> Keith
> 
> Thank you for emailing Qardio.
> 
> QardioBase works fairly well for people with vision impairments, with the 
> exception of one feature.
> 
> The feature that allows setting weight goals is currently not working well 
> with VoiceOver. 
> We are unhappy about that, and we are working on a re-design of the screen 
> that allows you to set weight goals, so that it works great for everyone.
> 
> Every other feature works well with VoiceOver.
> 
> Using QardioBase with vision impairments:
> 
> - Weight and body composition measurements are visualized immediately on your 
> iPhone and VoiceOver can read the measurement for you
> 
> - QardioBase has haptic feedback, so after the measurement you feel the scale 
> vibrating under your feet to inform you that the measurement is completed.
> 
> - stepping on the scale: QardioBase is round, most scales on the market today 
> are round or square. QardioBase, however, has a round feature on its top that 
> indicates the back of the scale for you - the side on which your heels should 
> be.
> You can clearly feel this feature with your feet, it's 1mm think and about 
> the size of the inner circle you create by touching the tips of your thumb 
> and index fingers. 
> 
> Once you have the correct orientation of the scale, you can just step on it.
> 
> If you have large feet, having your toes "sticking out" does not affect the 
> accuracy of the measurements.
> 
> Here is an older post by AFB about our commitment to make our products work 
> great with VoiceOver:
> http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pub.asp?DocID=aw170101 
> 
> I hope this answers your questions.
> 
> If we can help with anything else, just let us know, we’ll be glad to help.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Tomas
> The Qardio Team
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 12:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: need iPhone app works well with scale
> 
> Hi Larry,
> 
> I assume you are talking about a body scale? If so, this article from 
> Jonathan Mosen may help:
> 
> http://mosen.org/weight-weight-do-tell-me-my-search-for-a-reliable-accessible-smart-scale/
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Larry McCreary
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 6:02 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: need iPhone app works well with scale
> 
> Hello, Is there a scale that works with a particular iPhone app or if someone 
> can recommend a good talking scale that would be nice.  Thanks very much for 
> your help.
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Re: Woopower Mini Bluetooth Speaker

[Kevin Chao]

I've not seen *any* wrist-based smart device to have a 3.5mm jack. It's all
Bluetooth-only.

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 1:21 PM Robert Doc Wright 
wrote:

> It weighs 2.4oz= 68.04 grams
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Sieghard Weitzel 
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 27, 2016 7:53 AM
> *Subject:* RE: Woopower Mini Bluetooth Speaker
>
> I looked this up on Amazon.ca and it’s one of these rip-off deals. Robert
> said it costs $25 in the US on sale for $16, here on Amazon.ca it is listed
> for $74 + $6 or $8 shipping. It also says in the specs that it weighs 180
> grams which I find would be way to heavy for me to wear it over a longer
> period of time. After all, my iPhone 6S Plus only weighs 192 grams which
> means if the 180 grams is indeed correct and you had a 6S Plus in one hand
> and this Bluetooth wrist speaker in the other you couldn’t tell the
> difference and I certainly wouldn’t want something on my wrist that is the
> weight of my 6S Plus. Robert, if you have a talking kitchen scale, could
> you weigh it and clarify, I have a feeling that what Amazon writes is not
> correct.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Sieghard
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Robert Doc Wright
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 27, 2016 12:56 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups. com 
> *Subject:* Woopower Mini Bluetooth Speaker
>
>
>
> earlier I saw a post informing us about a wrist band bluetooth speaker by
> BEM. I found another  on Amazon that worked right out of the box .
>
>
>
>
> Woopower Mini Bluetooth Speaker Watch Wireless Speakers Bracelet Wristband
> Band for Mobile Phones Support MP3 Music Player, FM Radio, Hands-free Calls,
> Self-timer, Anti-Lost Alarm for Sports (White)
> $25.95
> $16.95
> Amazon Prime
>
>
>
> This is accessible right out of the box. From just fumbling with the
> buttons I had it working and paired in a couple of minutes or less.
> Imagine my surprise when it began speaking english although in an Asian
> accent.
>
>
>
> This is an amazing speaker and you would think that it was made
> specifically with blind consumers in mind.
> (Note that my references are for persons who wear their watches on their
> left arm.)
> On the side closest to your hand there are 4 buttons.  working from the
> outer wrist to the inner I will number them 1, 2, 3 and 4.   On the arm
> side is a cover which is protecting the SD card slot and the USB CHARGE
> PORT.
>
>
>
> Buttons:
> 1 power/play/answer Hold it in for a count of 3 to turn it on or off.
> While on and pared press it once to play audio and again to pause. when a
> call comes in press once to answer.
>
>
>
> 2.  volume down/track backwards  Hold down to lower volume. When music is
> playing press once to restart the track press twice quickly to go to the
> previous track.
>
>
>
> 3. Volume up /track forward  Hold down to raise the volume.  Press once to
> move to the next track.
>
>
>
> 4. mode  Hold for a count of 4 to toggle between iDevice and FM radio. It
> will verbably announce radio mode.
>   (note: buttons 2 & 3 move you through the stations.
> SD card slot.  Be sure device is off before inserting or ejecting SD
> card.  when card is in place, ridge side up, power on and it plays
> immediately.
>
>
>
> charging  Plug USB cable in teeth side down.
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RE: calendar

[Ann Byrne]

So.  I set a calendar item for 7:00 this evening both on my iPhone 
calendar and on Fantastical.  and neither one notified me.


The phone was supposed to notify me an hour in advance.

How do I make notifications happen?

At 06:56 PM 8/20/2016, you wrote:

Some people find the native Calendar app just fine.

I personally prefer Fantastical 2 for the iPhone.

I find it better to use for many reasons.  It draws all your 
appointments from the native iPhone app so if you set an appointment 
with Siri, it shows up in Fantastical.
But, the biggest advantage is that I like the way it displays your 
appointments better and if you write a logical sentence in the 
create an event field, it puts the information in correctly.

Something like:
Dr. Jones on September 9 at 10:00 AM
Or,
Book club on the second Friday of every month at 7:00 PM.

Richard


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Behalf Of Ann Byrne

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Subject: calendar

What is the best calendar to use with the iPhone?

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Question for a beta user with an iPad for off list response

[Mary Otten]

Hi all,
I am not on any of the beta lists, and since we are apparently so close to the 
release, and there was just recently a report that subscribing takes a very 
long time, I thought I would post a question here and ask for a response off 
list. I'm not going to post anything about the actual beta. But if there is 
someone on this list who is running the beta of iOS 10 and using an iPad of any 
flavor, would you mind writing me off list so I can ask you a couple of 
questions. Thank you. 
 Mary


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~Re: Where is the "send" button?

[Jewel]

Sieghard! My head is spinning with all that information, so as it is unlikely 
that I will be able to 
assimilate it all in one session, it will be saved in my "invaluable info" 
folder.

I am making some headway in understanding this new gizmo and have, with some 
success, sent a couple 
of emails, and received a couple as well.
In message settings, I have set it to keep messages for 30 days before 
deleting, so that should give 
me plenty of time to get a grasp of what I am doing.
What does preview mean?  I have it set for 5 lines.
When I turned the phone on this morning, I was told that I had 1 unread email , 
but in that one, my 
correspondent made reference to having sent 2 earlier ones, which I, 
eventually, did  tracked down, 
that contained the link to a YouTube movie.  How does one activate a link on 
the iPhone?
With my hearing getting worse, I find it difficult to pick up what vo is 
saying:  I have speech set 
at 45% so that does not need to be adjusted, but I would like to read  sentence 
by sentence, and 
then be able to go back to reread them.
I have the rotor set to characters which suits me as I use that setting to 
check clues in Word 
Ladder, so do I have to reset it from characters to sentences when I read an 
email and then reset it 
to characters when I play WL?

Jewel --
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 4:09 AM
To: 
Subject: RE: Where is the "send" button?

Hi Jewell and Deidre,

Just as a small correction, it is actually not "the third line". Yes, you have 
to swipe twice from 
the Cancel button to get to Send, but visually Cancel, the email subject and 
Send are all on the 
same line.

When you have composed an email in the Mail app or are replying to one, the 
Send button is more or 
less at the top right corner. Cancel is at the top left and in the middle is a 
heading which when 
you compose a new message says "New Message" at first, as soon as you typed a 
subject it will say 
whatever it is you typed as the subject or whatever the subject is of the email 
you are replying to.
I say the send button is "more or less" at the top right corner because just a 
tiny bit above it and 
all the way across the device from left to right is a button that is announced 
as "Minimize Draft". 
If you started a message and want to finish it later, you can double tap it and 
it will save the 
message as a draft and go back to the main mailbox you were in.
So, visually you have your status bar at the top with the time, battery level 
on the right and so 
on.
Underneath and all the way across is the "Minimize Draft" button. If you were 
to touch the time and 
slowly drag your finger down along the right side of the phone you would find 
it, but you would also 
find it if you touch the time in the middle and drag down or if you touch the 
carrier logo/signal 
strength on the left and drag down as it goes all the way across.
Underneath that on the next line is "Cancel" at the left", "New Message or 
Message Subject" in the 
middle and "Send" on the right.
If you touch the time and drag down past Minimize Draft you next get to Send.
If you want to swipe and are, for example, on Cancel, then you can swipe left 
once to get to the 
Minimize Draft button, you can swipe right twice to get to Send.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Deidre Muccio
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 12:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Where is the "send" button?

Also, you can swipe backwards and it's just before the to field in which you 
have put the name of 
the person or their email the one that you're sending the email to. Period.

Deidre


> On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Jewel  wrote:
>
> I know where it used to be, but I have just created a gmail account
> for my 5S iPhone, and I cannot find "send" anywhere.  I am sure that
> it must be lurking in some corner, but just where that corner might be is 
> eluding me.
>
>  Jewel
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Is there an easy way to select games to hear in the NFL Mobile app, and how do you turn off scores?

[Kevin Minor]

Hi.

I've had this issue for the past couple of weeks.  I select the Games TAB, and 
then the fun begins.  I have to touch the middle of the iPhone 6S plus screen 
to get to the games, then I have to flick right and left numerous times to get 
to the feed I want.  Also, the scores of the games are displayed, even with 
this option turned off in Settings.  I tried turning it on and back off with no 
change.

Anybody have any ideas about working with this app?  It is useable, but it 
isn't much fun.

Have a blessed day and don't work too hard, and thanks for any ideas.
Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY

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Re: need iPhone app works well with scale

[englishrider91]

Do you know if the cardio scale and blood pressure monitor sync data with iOS's 
Health app? This scale sounds really good from an accessibility standpoint. I 
think I'll go look for it on-line and see what reviews have to say about it in 
a more general sense.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
>  wrote:
> 
> I received the below from the Qardio support team a few months back. I 
> haven't explored this further, but it may be of interest to you. These are 
> the folks that provide the QardioArm Blood Pressure cuff that I and others 
> use here with some success Their scale is called QardioBase..
> 
> Keith
> 
> Thank you for emailing Qardio.
> 
> QardioBase works fairly well for people with vision impairments, with the 
> exception of one feature.
> 
> The feature that allows setting weight goals is currently not working well 
> with VoiceOver. 
> We are unhappy about that, and we are working on a re-design of the screen 
> that allows you to set weight goals, so that it works great for everyone.
> 
> Every other feature works well with VoiceOver.
> 
> Using QardioBase with vision impairments:
> 
> - Weight and body composition measurements are visualized immediately on your 
> iPhone and VoiceOver can read the measurement for you
> 
> - QardioBase has haptic feedback, so after the measurement you feel the scale 
> vibrating under your feet to inform you that the measurement is completed.
> 
> - stepping on the scale: QardioBase is round, most scales on the market today 
> are round or square. QardioBase, however, has a round feature on its top that 
> indicates the back of the scale for you - the side on which your heels should 
> be.
> You can clearly feel this feature with your feet, it's 1mm think and about 
> the size of the inner circle you create by touching the tips of your thumb 
> and index fingers. 
> 
> Once you have the correct orientation of the scale, you can just step on it.
> 
> If you have large feet, having your toes "sticking out" does not affect the 
> accuracy of the measurements.
> 
> Here is an older post by AFB about our commitment to make our products work 
> great with VoiceOver:
> http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pub.asp?DocID=aw170101 
> 
> I hope this answers your questions.
> 
> If we can help with anything else, just let us know, we’ll be glad to help.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Tomas
> The Qardio Team
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 12:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: need iPhone app works well with scale
> 
> Hi Larry,
> 
> I assume you are talking about a body scale? If so, this article from 
> Jonathan Mosen may help:
> 
> http://mosen.org/weight-weight-do-tell-me-my-search-for-a-reliable-accessible-smart-scale/
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Larry McCreary
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 6:02 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: need iPhone app works well with scale
> 
> Hello, Is there a scale that works with a particular iPhone app or if someone 
> can recommend a good talking scale that would be nice.  Thanks very much for 
> your help.
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Re: E-Mail Client

[englishrider91]

Oh, thank God, Richard! "i thought "i'd just have to get used to loathing the 
new interface of the Mail app in iOS 10.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Aug 28, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Running iOS 10 beta 6 turning it off in mail settings gives me every message 
> as a separate message in a thread/conversation.
>  
> Richard
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 10:30 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: E-Mail Client
>  
> That doesn't sound very good, unless I'm misunderstanding it. It sounds kind 
> of like what happens when you get a digest. You know, somebody replies to a 
> message that they got as part of a digest and doesn't delete everything. So 
> you get this great long mass. I can't believe that's what they're doing. 
> Sighted people would hate that. I guess we'll all just have to wait and see 
> what the final thing looks like.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:24 AM, Gordan Radić  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I believe we misunderstood somewhere along the way xD.
> 
> I know about threaded view, it is available since iOS 5 or something but this 
> is a threaded view for message list and it can be turned on or off.
> 
> iOS 10 is bringing several messages grouping in the single conversation as 
> seen in Gmail app which I really don't want and, according to Tamas Geczy's 
> article on CBT site it can't be turned off.
> 
> Here's the quotation on it:
> 
>  
> 
> A new threaded view for messages places all of the conversation as though it 
> were one long message. This adds a new rotor option: Message. When it is 
> selected, swiping down with VoiceOver will move you to the next message in 
> the mail document. You can turn off threading, but not the behavior, or 
> having them be organized in one giant e-mail message rather than individual 
> ones in a conversation list within the subject. This might change, as 
> sometimes in-line message replies are not detected by the app — so you have 
> to scroll through older messages with greater than signs. In other cases, a 
> button allows you to expand the older messages. In my experience, this is hit 
> or miss, though with Gmail it recognized that the quoted thread messages 
> should be hidden most of the time
> 
>  
> 
> S poštovanjem
> Gordan Radić
> 
>   
>  
>  
>  
> 27.8.2016. u 15:08, Richard Turner je napisao/la:
>  
> I believe you will be able to turn off the conversation threading in iOS 10.
>  
> Richard
>  
> 
> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
> 
> On Aug 27, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Gordan Radić  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> There's an article on the Cool Blind Tech website about what's new in 
> incoming iOS 10. Amongst other things, it says message view in Mail app is 
> not separated by message as it was till now. Now it is more like conversation 
> view similar to text and iMessages and there is a new option in rotor called 
> "message" which will enable you to switch between messages in conversation.
> 
> I'm not sure will I like this or not, I like clean separate messages and 
> that's why I don't use Gmail app. I don't even like threads and I'm using it 
> only for some mail groups I'm subscribed to.
> 
>  
> 
> S poštovanjem
> Gordan Radić
> 
>   
>  
>  
>  
> 27.8.2016. u 0:46, englishride...@gmail.com je napisao/la:
> What do you mean, there's going to be a large turnaround the mail app's 
> interface in iOS 10?
>  
>  
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
> On Aug 26, 2016, at 1:44 PM, Gordan Radić  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> @Sieghard; I was mentioning iOS meaning iPhone, iPod Touch or iPad, it would 
> probably work on all iOS devices.
> 
> @Mary; I like the stock app very much but there's gonna be a large turnaround 
> in iOS 10 with its interface so I'm looking for alternatives. I used Aquamail 
> on some Android devices and I like its options, features and tones of 
> settings for fine tuning its operativity.
> 
> I agree Android approach to navigating and editing is harder to handle than 
> iOS but as you correctly said, it doesn't have to do anything with the app 
> itself. Regarding dictation, I'm getting far better results with Google 
> Speech Input or whatever is it called in English than Siri Dictation, atleast 
> for my native language.
> 
> I can manage multiple messages on both apps in pretty similar way so I don't 
> know did you played with Aquamail settins?
> 
> @Carol; glad you understand my needs xD.
> 
>  
> 
> S poštovanjem
> Gordan Radić
> 
>   
>  
>  
>  
> 26.8.2016. u 18:33, Mary Otten je napisao/la:
> I have never used aqua male with a keyboard. The other thing I prefer about 
> mail on iOS as opposed to android, and this really isn't specific to the mail 
> itself, has to do with dictation and interacting with editible text in 
> general. I like the fact that I can easily stop dictation in iOS. I like the 
> 

Re: Does WIFI Calling Save Battery Life?

[Casey]

Okay let me ask this then.
How do you turn off your cell radio on your phone so you can use wi-phi 
calling instead if you would like to try it out?



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Re: Does WIFI Calling Save Battery Life?

[Dave]

does Duo, support voice only calling yet, or is it still just video calling 
only?


Dave.

-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Chaltain

Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 11:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does WIFI Calling Save Battery Life?

You could use a VOIP app, like Skype, Duo or other apps.

If your phone and your carrier supports wifi calling then you can make
and receive texts and calls over wifi when you don't have cellular
service. When I've used it it's just been automatic and transparent. I'm
not sure if you can force a call to go over wifi calling even if you
have a good cell connection.

On 28/08/16 17:28, Casey wrote:

Hi how do you make A call on wi-fi instead of your cell service?


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Re: Does WIFI Calling Save Battery Life?

[Christopher Chaltain]

You could use a VOIP app, like Skype, Duo or other apps.

If your phone and your carrier supports wifi calling then you can make 
and receive texts and calls over wifi when you don't have cellular 
service. When I've used it it's just been automatic and transparent. I'm 
not sure if you can force a call to go over wifi calling even if you 
have a good cell connection.


On 28/08/16 17:28, Casey wrote:

Hi how do you make A call on wi-fi instead of your cell service?


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Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Mary Otten]

I also think it's good that Apple supports their devices as long as they do, at 
least most of them. As the owner of a first generation iPad, I can say that 
this isn't always true, sigh. Anyway, given the cost of iPhones, it is good 
that they are generally supported for several years.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I never meant to say or imply that. As I said, I kept my iPhone 4S for 
> over four years. I said that I've seen messages from others on this list, 
> when question from 4S users come up, that they need to upgrade their phone 
> and what do they expect with such an old device, but this isn't my opinion 
> though. I also said that anyone who is worried about that IOS upgrade four or 
> five years after they purchase their phone should probably wait another month 
> to see what the fall offerings will bring.
> 
> All that being said, I do think that most people don't hold on to their smart 
> phones for five years. I suspect most iPhone users tend to upgrade their 
> phones a bit more often than that. That doesn't mean everyone does or 
> everyone should. I also think it's great of Apple to support their older 
> phones as long as they do.
> 
>> On 28/08/16 16:48, Gordan Radić wrote:
>> Just about how long people are sticking to old devices. I got the
>> feeling you're saying people should ditch their devices every year or
>> two. I must have gett it all wrong, I didn't finish my morning cup of
>> coffee while reading your post, sorry.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> S poštovanjem
>> *Gordan Radić* 
>> 
>> Posjetite-portal-Nemoguća-vizija 
>> 
>> Pišite nam Posjetitenas na Facebooku
>> Pratite nas na Twitteru
>> 
>> 
>> 28.8.2016. u 21:56, Christopher Chaltain je napisao/la:
>>> I'm not sure what you're objecting to exactly.
>>> 
>>> I agree with you though. I'm still getting through a whole day on my
>>> iPhone 4S. It isn't going to compete with an iPhone 6, but depending
>>> on how you use it, I think it's still usable.
>>> 
>>> On 28/08/16 04:11, Gordan Radić wrote:
 Hi!
 
 I have to object on this one.
 
 I bought my old 4S back in 2012. when it was last years model.
 
 I used it untill october 2015. with no problems at all. When I got my
 new device I did some tests with old 4S and along others, I fully
 charged it, disabled WiFi and Bluetooth and removed the SIM card from
 it. I just locked the phone and it was on stand by for the next 8 days
 meaning the battery in it was significantly strong at the time beeing.
 
 Today my old 4S is borrowed to one of my friends and he is using it on a
 daily basis, talking, texting, hanging on Facebook and following some
 sites rather more than I did and the battery is holding about day and a
 half.
 
 If this continues in this mannor I asume this phone will last atleast
 next two years with iOS 9.3.5 or some possible update in 9.x.
 
 Of course, working with it is not as nice and ellegant as working with
 6S but for someone who just needs calling, texting and alarm clock is
 far better solution than some cheap Android POC or spending significant
 ammount of money for some new iOS device. I have to remind you not all
 countries have free iPhones on operators contract and here in EU we're
 paying about $100 more for the same models because of EU WWATT and
 shipping or whatever.
 
 
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 27.8.2016. u 20:00, Christopher Chaltain je napisao/la:
> Is this really Apple's rule? I couldn't find anything on line with a
> quick web search. I remember everyone was surprised when Apple
> continued to support the 4S with IOS 9, which would have been four
> years and not five, if the 4S would have stopped at IOS 8.
> 
> Whether it's a rule or not, and whether it's four or five years,
> Apple's support for older hardware is truly outstanding in the mobile
> space.
> 
> I would agree that if you're worried about whether you get an IOS
> upgrade or the SE in 2020 then you should wait to see what the fall
> brings. As Sieghard says though, the SE will still work on the last
> version of IOS it supports even if you can't move up to the next
> version. Also, how many people hold on to their smart phones that long
> in the first place? I've seen us 4S users on this list get responses
> that we should just upgrade, even when asking 

Re: Does WIFI Calling Save Battery Life?

[Casey]

Hi how do you make A call on wi-fi instead of your cell service?
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Re: need iPhone app works well with scale

[Lois Butterfield]

Hi Christopher,

I am very happy with my Aria.  I have had no problems setting it up or 
syncing, or any problems.


Yes, it does not sync with the Health app, but to me after listening to 
Jonathans podcast, the FitBit app seems to be much more accessible than does 
the Withing app.


If you have other questions, feel free to write me off list.

Take care,
Lois

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From: Christopher Chaltain

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: need iPhone app works well with scale

I'm curious, does anyone have experience with the FitBit Aria? I know
Jonathan didn't consider it since he wanted it to sync with his Apple
health account, but I have a FitBit Charge HR, so I'm already bought
into the FitBit ecosystem. I find the FitBit app accessible, so I'm
guessing I'll have no problems with the FitBit Aria, but I thought I'd
see if anyone had any knowledge one way or the other.

On 28/08/16 12:18, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Larry,

I assume you are talking about a body scale? If so, this article from 
Jonathan Mosen may help:


http://mosen.org/weight-weight-do-tell-me-my-search-for-a-reliable-accessible-smart-scale/


Regards,
Sieghard

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: need iPhone app works well with scale

Hello, Is there a scale that works with a particular iPhone app or if 
someone can recommend a good talking scale that would be nice.  Thanks 
very much for your help.




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Re: need iPhone app works well with scale

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'm curious, does anyone have experience with the FitBit Aria? I know 
Jonathan didn't consider it since he wanted it to sync with his Apple 
health account, but I have a FitBit Charge HR, so I'm already bought 
into the FitBit ecosystem. I find the FitBit app accessible, so I'm 
guessing I'll have no problems with the FitBit Aria, but I thought I'd 
see if anyone had any knowledge one way or the other.


On 28/08/16 12:18, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Larry,

I assume you are talking about a body scale? If so, this article from Jonathan 
Mosen may help:

http://mosen.org/weight-weight-do-tell-me-my-search-for-a-reliable-accessible-smart-scale/


Regards,
Sieghard

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: need iPhone app works well with scale

Hello, Is there a scale that works with a particular iPhone app or if someone 
can recommend a good talking scale that would be nice.  Thanks very much for 
your help.



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Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Christopher Chaltain]

Sorry, I never meant to say or imply that. As I said, I kept my iPhone 
4S for over four years. I said that I've seen messages from others on 
this list, when question from 4S users come up, that they need to 
upgrade their phone and what do they expect with such an old device, but 
this isn't my opinion though. I also said that anyone who is worried 
about that IOS upgrade four or five years after they purchase their 
phone should probably wait another month to see what the fall offerings 
will bring.


All that being said, I do think that most people don't hold on to their 
smart phones for five years. I suspect most iPhone users tend to upgrade 
their phones a bit more often than that. That doesn't mean everyone does 
or everyone should. I also think it's great of Apple to support their 
older phones as long as they do.


On 28/08/16 16:48, Gordan Radić wrote:

Just about how long people are sticking to old devices. I got the
feeling you're saying people should ditch their devices every year or
two. I must have gett it all wrong, I didn't finish my morning cup of
coffee while reading your post, sorry.



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28.8.2016. u 21:56, Christopher Chaltain je napisao/la:

I'm not sure what you're objecting to exactly.

I agree with you though. I'm still getting through a whole day on my
iPhone 4S. It isn't going to compete with an iPhone 6, but depending
on how you use it, I think it's still usable.

On 28/08/16 04:11, Gordan Radić wrote:

Hi!

I have to object on this one.

I bought my old 4S back in 2012. when it was last years model.

I used it untill october 2015. with no problems at all. When I got my
new device I did some tests with old 4S and along others, I fully
charged it, disabled WiFi and Bluetooth and removed the SIM card from
it. I just locked the phone and it was on stand by for the next 8 days
meaning the battery in it was significantly strong at the time beeing.

Today my old 4S is borrowed to one of my friends and he is using it on a
daily basis, talking, texting, hanging on Facebook and following some
sites rather more than I did and the battery is holding about day and a
half.

If this continues in this mannor I asume this phone will last atleast
next two years with iOS 9.3.5 or some possible update in 9.x.

Of course, working with it is not as nice and ellegant as working with
6S but for someone who just needs calling, texting and alarm clock is
far better solution than some cheap Android POC or spending significant
ammount of money for some new iOS device. I have to remind you not all
countries have free iPhones on operators contract and here in EU we're
paying about $100 more for the same models because of EU WWATT and
shipping or whatever.


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27.8.2016. u 20:00, Christopher Chaltain je napisao/la:

Is this really Apple's rule? I couldn't find anything on line with a
quick web search. I remember everyone was surprised when Apple
continued to support the 4S with IOS 9, which would have been four
years and not five, if the 4S would have stopped at IOS 8.

Whether it's a rule or not, and whether it's four or five years,
Apple's support for older hardware is truly outstanding in the mobile
space.

I would agree that if you're worried about whether you get an IOS
upgrade or the SE in 2020 then you should wait to see what the fall
brings. As Sieghard says though, the SE will still work on the last
version of IOS it supports even if you can't move up to the next
version. Also, how many people hold on to their smart phones that long
in the first place? I've seen us 4S users on this list get responses
that we should just upgrade, even when asking questions that have
nothing to do with the 4S and it's hardware.

On 27/08/16 08:37, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Knowing that this is Apple's rule at this point it doesn't mean this
will change. Also, if somebody who couldn't care less about the
latest features had an iPhone 4S which still worked well for what
they are doing they can still use it for years to come with iOS
9.3.5. Of course the reality is that a device that is 5 or 6 or even
7 years old will most likely need a new battery and why pay for that
if you could get whatever iPhone is free on contract. The exception
here would be somebody who maybe is happy to use the iPhone 4S with a
prepaid service or with a low-cost MVNO. My Mom has an iPad 2 from
2011 which also will not get iOS 10 this year. She already asked me
if she 

Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Gordan Radić]

  
  
Just about how long people are sticking to old devices. I got the
  feeling you're saying people should ditch their devices every year
  or two. I must have gett it all wrong, I didn't finish my morning
  cup of coffee while reading your post, sorry.





  S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić
  

  

  

  

  
  

  
  

  

  


  


  

  

  

28.8.2016. u 21:56, Christopher
  Chaltain je napisao/la:

I'm not sure what you're objecting to exactly.
  
  
  I agree with you though. I'm still getting through a whole day on
  my iPhone 4S. It isn't going to compete with an iPhone 6, but
  depending on how you use it, I think it's still usable.
  
  
  On 28/08/16 04:11, Gordan Radić wrote:
  
  Hi!


I have to object on this one.


I bought my old 4S back in 2012. when it was last years model.


I used it untill october 2015. with no problems at all. When I
got my

new device I did some tests with old 4S and along others, I
fully

charged it, disabled WiFi and Bluetooth and removed the SIM card
from

it. I just locked the phone and it was on stand by for the next
8 days

meaning the battery in it was significantly strong at the time
beeing.


Today my old 4S is borrowed to one of my friends and he is using
it on a

daily basis, talking, texting, hanging on Facebook and following
some

sites rather more than I did and the battery is holding about
day and a

half.


If this continues in this mannor I asume this phone will last
atleast

next two years with iOS 9.3.5 or some possible update in 9.x.


Of course, working with it is not as nice and ellegant as
working with

6S but for someone who just needs calling, texting and alarm
clock is

far better solution than some cheap Android POC or spending
significant

ammount of money for some new iOS device. I have to remind you
not all

countries have free iPhones on operators contract and here in EU
we're

paying about $100 more for the same models because of EU WWATT
and

shipping or whatever.



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*Gordan Radić* 


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Pišite nam  Posjetitenas na
Facebooku

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Twitteru




27.8.2016. u 20:00, Christopher Chaltain je napisao/la:

Is this really Apple's rule? I couldn't
  find anything on line with a
  
  quick web search. I remember everyone was surprised when Apple
  
  continued to support the 4S with IOS 9, which would have been
  four
  
  years and not five, if the 4S would have stopped at IOS 8.
  
  
  Whether it's a rule or not, and whether it's four or five
  years,
  
  Apple's support for older hardware is truly outstanding in the
  mobile
  
  space.
  
  
  I would agree that if you're worried about whether you get an
  IOS
  
  upgrade or the SE in 2020 then you should wait to see what the
  fall
  
  brings. As Sieghard says though, the SE will still work on the
  last
  
  version of IOS it supports even if you can't move up to the
  next
  
  version. Also, how many people hold on to their smart phones
  that long
  
  in the first place? I've seen us 4S users on this list get
  responses
  
  that we should just upgrade, even when asking questions that
  have
  
  nothing to do with the 4S and it's hardware.
  
  
  On 27/08/16 08:37, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
  
  Knowing that this is Apple's rule at
this point it doesn't mean this

will change. Also, if somebody who couldn't care less about
the

latest features had an iPhone 4S which still worked well for
what

they are doing they can still use it for 

RE: need iPhone app works well with scale

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

I received the below from the Qardio support team a few months back. I haven't 
explored this further, but it may be of interest to you. These are the folks 
that provide the QardioArm Blood Pressure cuff that I and others use here with 
some success Their scale is called QardioBase..

Keith

Thank you for emailing Qardio.

QardioBase works fairly well for people with vision impairments, with the 
exception of one feature.

The feature that allows setting weight goals is currently not working well with 
VoiceOver. 
We are unhappy about that, and we are working on a re-design of the screen that 
allows you to set weight goals, so that it works great for everyone.

Every other feature works well with VoiceOver.

Using QardioBase with vision impairments:

- Weight and body composition measurements are visualized immediately on your 
iPhone and VoiceOver can read the measurement for you

- QardioBase has haptic feedback, so after the measurement you feel the scale 
vibrating under your feet to inform you that the measurement is completed.

- stepping on the scale: QardioBase is round, most scales on the market today 
are round or square. QardioBase, however, has a round feature on its top that 
indicates the back of the scale for you - the side on which your heels should 
be.
You can clearly feel this feature with your feet, it's 1mm think and about the 
size of the inner circle you create by touching the tips of your thumb and 
index fingers. 

Once you have the correct orientation of the scale, you can just step on it.

If you have large feet, having your toes "sticking out" does not affect the 
accuracy of the measurements.

Here is an older post by AFB about our commitment to make our products work 
great with VoiceOver:
http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pub.asp?DocID=aw170101 

I hope this answers your questions.

If we can help with anything else, just let us know, we’ll be glad to help.

Kind regards,
Tomas
The Qardio Team




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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 12:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: need iPhone app works well with scale

Hi Larry,

I assume you are talking about a body scale? If so, this article from Jonathan 
Mosen may help:

http://mosen.org/weight-weight-do-tell-me-my-search-for-a-reliable-accessible-smart-scale/


Regards,
Sieghard

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Hello, Is there a scale that works with a particular iPhone app or if someone 
can recommend a good talking scale that would be nice.  Thanks very much for 
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Re: "Location tracking on" is back again

[Mary Otten]

Thanks, Mark. Maybe it is the new GPS app. Although it does seem to happen at 
times when I have not been using the GPS app at all that day. It's a mystery. 
Rebooting the phone would fix the problem. But rebooting is not exactly what I 
had in mind. Smile.
Mary


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> On Aug 28, 2016, at 11:57 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mary,  
> 
> I only now just saw your email.  
> 
> It would appear that a few differences exist in the OS between back then when 
> I first answered your Location Tracking question and now.
> 
> In short, some third-party apps, like Nearby Explorer take longer to release 
> the GPS or, perhaps the OS is more latent in releasing the GPS, these days.
> 
> Regardless, once you make certain that the third-party GPS app is closed from 
> the app-switcher, give it about 2 to 3 minutes for the Location Tracking 
> indicator to disappear from the status line.  I have found that (1) simply 
> opening the Settings area will cause the status line to update or (2) 
> rebooting the phone will also update the status line.
> 
> Mark  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:17 AM
> To: VIPhone 'RobH. ' via
> Subject: "Location tracking on" is back again
> 
> Some months ago, I reported that I was having a problem with location 
> tracking being on when it should not  be. That is, I wasn't using nor did I 
> have running any app that had permission to use location services. Mark 
> helpful he suggested some setting that I needed to change, which seemed to 
> solve the problem. The problem is back with a vengeance. And I can't remember 
> what the setting was. Can anyone refresh my memory?
> Mary
> 
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Re: multtiple topics: apple tv, netflicks, hulu, etc.

[Mary Otten]

I think those are the current list prices, 149 and 199. Indeed, there have been 
some deals recently where the price for the smaller one was considerably less 
than 149. So watch for those.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2016, at 1:36 PM, MamaPeach  wrote:
> 
> Wow, this has gone up. When I bought mine, the 32 gig model was $149 and the 
> 64 gig was $199. I purchased the $199 model.
>  
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 11:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: multtiple topics: apple tv, netflicks, hulu, etc.
>  
> Hi Richard and David,
>  
> First of all, the fourth generation Apple TV also supports Bluetooth 
> keyboards. It did not when it was first released, but a later TVOS updated 
> added Bluetooth keyboard support.
> Once the TVOS 10 update is released in a few weeks there is also single 
> sign-in although I am not sure how this works if, for example, you use 
> different passwords for let’s say Netflix, Youtube and Hulu.
> The Apple TV Fourth Generation is available with 32 Gb internal storage for 
> $199 US and with 64 Gb for $249. This storage is for downloading apps and so 
> on, you cannot record shows with the fourth generation Apple TV nor could you 
> with previous versions.
> As Richard already said, apps like Netflix, Hulu, Youtube and so on are all 
> free. I would imagine that pretty much all apps which require a subscription 
> would offer the app for free. Keep in mind that at this point many apps you 
> can get on the Apple TV require a cable subscription to work and do not offer 
> a stand-along subscription via the Apple TV. I believe this is the case with 
> Disney.
> I am pretty sure you can watch and get a subscription for the mlb network via 
> the Apple TV.
> I think for anybody who watches a fair bit of TV the Apple TV may not yet be 
> a satisfactory replacement although I really like ours and think it’s a 
> worthwhile item to have for anybody who is involved in the Apple ecosystem 
> and especially if you want a beautifully accessible platform for Netflix, 
> Youtube and so on.
> . There have been rumours that apple is negotiating with major content 
> providers so they can offer an A La Card TV service where you can pay for 
> channels you want without being forced to subscribe to channel bundles which 
> may include stuff you never watch. However, it does not look like Apple is 
> even close to reaching agreements with these content providers and one theory 
> I heard is that Apple thinks they are top dog and approach these negotiations 
> with a fair bit of ssuperiority and self-importance thinking these major 
> content providers which are huge companies also are going to fall to their 
> knees thanking Apple for what they want to do and offer them killer deals. 
> Apparently this is not so and the two sides are still miles apart from 
> reaching an agreement as to how this would work.
>  
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 12:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: multtiple topics: apple tv, netflicks, hulu, etc.
>  
> In short, not all, or even most, shows on the major networks are available on 
> Netflix.
> Sometimes you wait a year or more before a TV series shows up on Netflix.
> All the ones you mentioned, Netflix, Hulu, and MLB, are subscriptions. The 
> apps are free, but only useful with a paid subscription.
> If you get the Apple TV, you will be able to use the VoiceOver feature to 
> enter your login information for the various subscriptions.
> With the 3rd Generation Apple TV, you could also sync a Bluetooth keyboard, 
> which made account info entry much easier.
> That's what I think I know.
> HTH,
> Richard
>  
>  
> “By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
> - Satsuki Shibuya
>  
>  
> (Sent from my iPod 6)
> 
> On Aug 27, 2016, at 12:09 PM, david gross  wrote:
> 
> I have numerous naive questions.
> 
> We purchased a wi fi ready tv.
> 
> We have never used that feature as of yet.
> 
> My wife who is low vision records a lot on the dvr.
> 
> We have verizon fios.
> 
> We are ttold by year's end there will be taling menus. I'll believe it whenn 
> it happens.
> 
> So I am intterested in apple tv. What is the cost for the current version?
> 
> I understand tthat apple tv let's you use netflicks, huulu, etc.
> 
> Are the cost off these apps in addition to the base apple price, or included 
> in the base price?
> 
> I would like to"cut the cord" next summer with fios when my contract ends and 
> use apple tv and or apps.
> 
> I am not clear as to the types of programs available on netflicks, hulu, etc. 
> If these apps include the regular 4 major network programms, what is the 
> delay or lag time to access the shows after their orifinal network broadcast?
> 
> My wife recorded big brother the 

RE: Thinking of ditching cable what alternatives are there?

[Connie Mohney]

Hi Hope,
There is blindy.tv.org which is all descriptive TV.  There is 
thelistenfactor.com which has some descriptive  and some that is not.  Then 
there is mytvland.net Which has both descriptive and not described TV..  
I hope this is what you were looking for.
Connie
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Hope Paulos
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Thinking of ditching cable what alternatives are there?

Hi all. Im thinking of cutting the cord. What alternatibes are there besides 
netflix and hulu that are accessible?

Hope Paulos

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RE: need iPhone app works well with scale

[Jeff Clark]

I am using "Smart Scale" which is Bluetooth. Works well.
Jeff
"

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Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 3:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: need iPhone app works well with scale

Does anyone have any experience with the Withings scale other than that 
provided by Jonathan? I am currently looking for a scale but have been sort of 
scared off by the bad reviews. The factor that bothers me is that people seem 
to be reporting that the scale is requesting the identity of the individual 
trying to use it and it must be selected. I only have two people in my 
household but I would not want it to fail to work because it needs a selection. 
There are also lots of complaints about other things. I was hoping to find some 
positive feedback from a blind user before purchasing but I may just buy it and 
see what happens.


On Aug 28, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Hi Larry,

I assume you are talking about a body scale? If so, this article from Jonathan 
Mosen may help:

http://mosen.org/weight-weight-do-tell-me-my-search-for-a-reliable-accessible-smart-scale/


Regards,
Sieghard

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: need iPhone app works well with scale

Hello, Is there a scale that works with a particular iPhone app or if someone 
can recommend a good talking scale that would be nice.  Thanks very much for 
your help.

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Re: multtiple topics: apple tv, netflicks, hulu, etc.

[MamaPeach]

Watch Hulu over the next year or so, they plan to come out with a package that 
allows access to major networks along with a lot of other channels you would 
get if you subscribed to cable.

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 11:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: multtiple topics: apple tv, netflicks, hulu, etc.

Hi Richard and David,

 

First of all, the fourth generation Apple TV also supports Bluetooth keyboards. 
It did not when it was first released, but a later TVOS updated added Bluetooth 
keyboard support.

Once the TVOS 10 update is released in a few weeks there is also single sign-in 
although I am not sure how this works if, for example, you use different 
passwords for let’s say Netflix, Youtube and Hulu. 

The Apple TV Fourth Generation is available with 32 Gb internal storage for 
$199 US and with 64 Gb for $249. This storage is for downloading apps and so 
on, you cannot record shows with the fourth generation Apple TV nor could you 
with previous versions.

As Richard already said, apps like Netflix, Hulu, Youtube and so on are all 
free. I would imagine that pretty much all apps which require a subscription 
would offer the app for free. Keep in mind that at this point many apps you can 
get on the Apple TV require a cable subscription to work and do not offer a 
stand-along subscription via the Apple TV. I believe this is the case with 
Disney.

I am pretty sure you can watch and get a subscription for the mlb network via 
the Apple TV.

I think for anybody who watches a fair bit of TV the Apple TV may not yet be a 
satisfactory replacement although I really like ours and think it’s a 
worthwhile item to have for anybody who is involved in the Apple ecosystem and 
especially if you want a beautifully accessible platform for Netflix, Youtube 
and so on.

. There have been rumours that apple is negotiating with major content 
providers so they can offer an A La Card TV service where you can pay for 
channels you want without being forced to subscribe to channel bundles which 
may include stuff you never watch. However, it does not look like Apple is even 
close to reaching agreements with these content providers and one theory I 
heard is that Apple thinks they are top dog and approach these negotiations 
with a fair bit of ssuperiority and self-importance thinking these major 
content providers which are huge companies also are going to fall to their 
knees thanking Apple for what they want to do and offer them killer deals. 
Apparently this is not so and the two sides are still miles apart from reaching 
an agreement as to how this would work.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 12:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: multtiple topics: apple tv, netflicks, hulu, etc.

 

In short, not all, or even most, shows on the major networks are available on 
Netflix.

Sometimes you wait a year or more before a TV series shows up on Netflix.

All the ones you mentioned, Netflix, Hulu, and MLB, are subscriptions. The apps 
are free, but only useful with a paid subscription.

If you get the Apple TV, you will be able to use the VoiceOver feature to enter 
your login information for the various subscriptions.

With the 3rd Generation Apple TV, you could also sync a Bluetooth keyboard, 
which made account info entry much easier.

That's what I think I know.

HTH,

Richard

 

 

“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."

- Satsuki Shibuya

 

 

(Sent from my iPod 6)


On Aug 27, 2016, at 12:09 PM, david gross  wrote:

  I have numerous naive questions.

  We purchased a wi fi ready tv.

  We have never used that feature as of yet.

  My wife who is low vision records a lot on the dvr.

  We have verizon fios.

  We are ttold by year's end there will be taling menus. I'll believe it whenn 
it happens.

  So I am intterested in apple tv. What is the cost for the current version?

  I understand tthat apple tv let's you use netflicks, huulu, etc.

  Are the cost off these apps in addition to the base apple price, or included 
in the base price?

  I would like to"cut the cord" next summer with fios when my contract ends and 
use apple tv and or apps.

  I am not clear as to the types of programs available on netflicks, hulu, etc. 
If these apps include the regular 4 major network programms, what is the delay 
or lag time to access the shows after their orifinal network broadcast?

  My wife recorded big brother the other night. It was interupted by weather 
bulletins, so the next day on her phone she watched it on the cbs app for free. 
Why would someone pay for netflicks or huluu if programs are free on network 
apps?


  and I am a big mlb fan and we do not have the mlb network on fios. I 
understand it is available with apple tv. Would that be a add on cost.


  thank ou for any 

Re: multtiple topics: apple tv, netflicks, hulu, etc.

[MamaPeach]

Wow, this has gone up. When I bought mine, the 32 gig model was $149 and the 64 
gig was $199. I purchased the $199 model.

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 11:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: multtiple topics: apple tv, netflicks, hulu, etc.

Hi Richard and David,

 

First of all, the fourth generation Apple TV also supports Bluetooth keyboards. 
It did not when it was first released, but a later TVOS updated added Bluetooth 
keyboard support.

Once the TVOS 10 update is released in a few weeks there is also single sign-in 
although I am not sure how this works if, for example, you use different 
passwords for let’s say Netflix, Youtube and Hulu. 

The Apple TV Fourth Generation is available with 32 Gb internal storage for 
$199 US and with 64 Gb for $249. This storage is for downloading apps and so 
on, you cannot record shows with the fourth generation Apple TV nor could you 
with previous versions.

As Richard already said, apps like Netflix, Hulu, Youtube and so on are all 
free. I would imagine that pretty much all apps which require a subscription 
would offer the app for free. Keep in mind that at this point many apps you can 
get on the Apple TV require a cable subscription to work and do not offer a 
stand-along subscription via the Apple TV. I believe this is the case with 
Disney.

I am pretty sure you can watch and get a subscription for the mlb network via 
the Apple TV.

I think for anybody who watches a fair bit of TV the Apple TV may not yet be a 
satisfactory replacement although I really like ours and think it’s a 
worthwhile item to have for anybody who is involved in the Apple ecosystem and 
especially if you want a beautifully accessible platform for Netflix, Youtube 
and so on.

. There have been rumours that apple is negotiating with major content 
providers so they can offer an A La Card TV service where you can pay for 
channels you want without being forced to subscribe to channel bundles which 
may include stuff you never watch. However, it does not look like Apple is even 
close to reaching agreements with these content providers and one theory I 
heard is that Apple thinks they are top dog and approach these negotiations 
with a fair bit of ssuperiority and self-importance thinking these major 
content providers which are huge companies also are going to fall to their 
knees thanking Apple for what they want to do and offer them killer deals. 
Apparently this is not so and the two sides are still miles apart from reaching 
an agreement as to how this would work.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 12:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: multtiple topics: apple tv, netflicks, hulu, etc.

 

In short, not all, or even most, shows on the major networks are available on 
Netflix.

Sometimes you wait a year or more before a TV series shows up on Netflix.

All the ones you mentioned, Netflix, Hulu, and MLB, are subscriptions. The apps 
are free, but only useful with a paid subscription.

If you get the Apple TV, you will be able to use the VoiceOver feature to enter 
your login information for the various subscriptions.

With the 3rd Generation Apple TV, you could also sync a Bluetooth keyboard, 
which made account info entry much easier.

That's what I think I know.

HTH,

Richard

 

 

“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."

- Satsuki Shibuya

 

 

(Sent from my iPod 6)


On Aug 27, 2016, at 12:09 PM, david gross  wrote:

  I have numerous naive questions.

  We purchased a wi fi ready tv.

  We have never used that feature as of yet.

  My wife who is low vision records a lot on the dvr.

  We have verizon fios.

  We are ttold by year's end there will be taling menus. I'll believe it whenn 
it happens.

  So I am intterested in apple tv. What is the cost for the current version?

  I understand tthat apple tv let's you use netflicks, huulu, etc.

  Are the cost off these apps in addition to the base apple price, or included 
in the base price?

  I would like to"cut the cord" next summer with fios when my contract ends and 
use apple tv and or apps.

  I am not clear as to the types of programs available on netflicks, hulu, etc. 
If these apps include the regular 4 major network programms, what is the delay 
or lag time to access the shows after their orifinal network broadcast?

  My wife recorded big brother the other night. It was interupted by weather 
bulletins, so the next day on her phone she watched it on the cbs app for free. 
Why would someone pay for netflicks or huluu if programs are free on network 
apps?


  and I am a big mlb fan and we do not have the mlb network on fios. I 
understand it is available with apple tv. Would that be a add on cost.


  thank ou for any assistance with any or all of this.

  David Gross


  Sent from my iPhone

Re: Woopower Mini Bluetooth Speaker

[Robert Doc Wright]

It weighs 2.4oz= 68.04 grams
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 7:53 AM
  Subject: RE: Woopower Mini Bluetooth Speaker


  I looked this up on Amazon.ca and it’s one of these rip-off deals. Robert 
said it costs $25 in the US on sale for $16, here on Amazon.ca it is listed for 
$74 + $6 or $8 shipping. It also says in the specs that it weighs 180 grams 
which I find would be way to heavy for me to wear it over a longer period of 
time. After all, my iPhone 6S Plus only weighs 192 grams which means if the 180 
grams is indeed correct and you had a 6S Plus in one hand and this Bluetooth 
wrist speaker in the other you couldn’t tell the difference and I certainly 
wouldn’t want something on my wrist that is the weight of my 6S Plus. Robert, 
if you have a talking kitchen scale, could you weigh it and clarify, I have a 
feeling that what Amazon writes is not correct.

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robert Doc Wright
  Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 12:56 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups. com 
  Subject: Woopower Mini Bluetooth Speaker

   

  earlier I saw a post informing us about a wrist band bluetooth speaker by 
BEM. I found another  on Amazon that worked right out of the box .

   


  Woopower Mini Bluetooth Speaker Watch Wireless Speakers Bracelet Wristband 
Band for Mobile Phones Support MP3 Music Player, FM Radio, Hands-free Calls,
  Self-timer, Anti-Lost Alarm for Sports (White)
  $25.95
  $16.95
  Amazon Prime

   

  This is accessible right out of the box. From just fumbling with the buttons 
I had it working and paired in a couple of minutes or less.  Imagine my 
surprise when it began speaking english although in an Asian accent. 

   

  This is an amazing speaker and you would think that it was made specifically 
with blind consumers in mind.  
  (Note that my references are for persons who wear their watches on their left 
arm.)
  On the side closest to your hand there are 4 buttons.  working from the outer 
wrist to the inner I will number them 1, 2, 3 and 4.   On the arm side is a 
cover which is protecting the SD card slot and the USB CHARGE PORT.

   

  Buttons: 
  1 power/play/answer Hold it in for a count of 3 to turn it on or off. While 
on and pared press it once to play audio and again to pause. when a call comes 
in press once to answer.   

   

  2.  volume down/track backwards  Hold down to lower volume. When music is 
playing press once to restart the track press twice quickly to go to the 
previous track.

   

  3. Volume up /track forward  Hold down to raise the volume.  Press once to 
move to the next track.

   

  4. mode  Hold for a count of 4 to toggle between iDevice and FM radio. It 
will verbably announce radio mode.
(note: buttons 2 & 3 move you through the stations.
  SD card slot.  Be sure device is off before inserting or ejecting SD card.  
when card is in place, ridge side up, power on and it plays immediately.

   

  charging  Plug USB cable in teeth side down.  

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Re: Woopower Mini Bluetooth Speaker

[Robert Doc Wright]

No, it is bluetooth only. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 7:27 AM
  Subject: RE: Woopower Mini Bluetooth Speaker


  I assume this wouldn’t also have a 3.5mm headphone jack on it? 

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robert Doc Wright
  Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 12:56 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups. com 
  Subject: Woopower Mini Bluetooth Speaker

   

  earlier I saw a post informing us about a wrist band bluetooth speaker by 
BEM. I found another  on Amazon that worked right out of the box .

   


  Woopower Mini Bluetooth Speaker Watch Wireless Speakers Bracelet Wristband 
Band for Mobile Phones Support MP3 Music Player, FM Radio, Hands-free Calls,
  Self-timer, Anti-Lost Alarm for Sports (White)
  $25.95
  $16.95
  Amazon Prime

   

  This is accessible right out of the box. From just fumbling with the buttons 
I had it working and paired in a couple of minutes or less.  Imagine my 
surprise when it began speaking english although in an Asian accent. 

   

  This is an amazing speaker and you would think that it was made specifically 
with blind consumers in mind.  
  (Note that my references are for persons who wear their watches on their left 
arm.)
  On the side closest to your hand there are 4 buttons.  working from the outer 
wrist to the inner I will number them 1, 2, 3 and 4.   On the arm side is a 
cover which is protecting the SD card slot and the USB CHARGE PORT.

   

  Buttons: 
  1 power/play/answer Hold it in for a count of 3 to turn it on or off. While 
on and pared press it once to play audio and again to pause. when a call comes 
in press once to answer.   

   

  2.  volume down/track backwards  Hold down to lower volume. When music is 
playing press once to restart the track press twice quickly to go to the 
previous track.

   

  3. Volume up /track forward  Hold down to raise the volume.  Press once to 
move to the next track.

   

  4. mode  Hold for a count of 4 to toggle between iDevice and FM radio. It 
will verbably announce radio mode.
(note: buttons 2 & 3 move you through the stations.
  SD card slot.  Be sure device is off before inserting or ejecting SD card.  
when card is in place, ridge side up, power on and it plays immediately.

   

  charging  Plug USB cable in teeth side down.  

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Re: need iPhone app works well with scale

[Larry McCreary]

Yes I am referring to body scale.  Thanks much for your help.   
On Aug 28, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> Hi Larry,
> 
> I assume you are talking about a body scale? If so, this article from 
> Jonathan Mosen may help:
> 
> http://mosen.org/weight-weight-do-tell-me-my-search-for-a-reliable-accessible-smart-scale/
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
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> Hello, Is there a scale that works with a particular iPhone app or if someone 
> can recommend a good talking scale that would be nice.  Thanks very much for 
> your help.
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Re: need iPhone app works well with scale

[gs]

Does anyone have any experience with the Withings scale other than that 
provided by Jonathan? I am currently looking for a scale but have been sort of 
scared off by the bad reviews. The factor that bothers me is that people seem 
to be reporting that the scale is requesting the identity of the individual 
trying to use it and it must be selected. I only have two people in my 
household but I would not want it to fail to work because it needs a selection. 
There are also lots of complaints about other things. I was hoping to find some 
positive feedback from a blind user before purchasing but I may just buy it and 
see what happens.


On Aug 28, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Hi Larry,

I assume you are talking about a body scale? If so, this article from Jonathan 
Mosen may help:

http://mosen.org/weight-weight-do-tell-me-my-search-for-a-reliable-accessible-smart-scale/


Regards,
Sieghard

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Hello, Is there a scale that works with a particular iPhone app or if someone 
can recommend a good talking scale that would be nice.  Thanks very much for 
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Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'm not sure what you're objecting to exactly.

I agree with you though. I'm still getting through a whole day on my 
iPhone 4S. It isn't going to compete with an iPhone 6, but depending on 
how you use it, I think it's still usable.


On 28/08/16 04:11, Gordan Radić wrote:

Hi!

I have to object on this one.

I bought my old 4S back in 2012. when it was last years model.

I used it untill october 2015. with no problems at all. When I got my
new device I did some tests with old 4S and along others, I fully
charged it, disabled WiFi and Bluetooth and removed the SIM card from
it. I just locked the phone and it was on stand by for the next 8 days
meaning the battery in it was significantly strong at the time beeing.

Today my old 4S is borrowed to one of my friends and he is using it on a
daily basis, talking, texting, hanging on Facebook and following some
sites rather more than I did and the battery is holding about day and a
half.

If this continues in this mannor I asume this phone will last atleast
next two years with iOS 9.3.5 or some possible update in 9.x.

Of course, working with it is not as nice and ellegant as working with
6S but for someone who just needs calling, texting and alarm clock is
far better solution than some cheap Android POC or spending significant
ammount of money for some new iOS device. I have to remind you not all
countries have free iPhones on operators contract and here in EU we're
paying about $100 more for the same models because of EU WWATT and
shipping or whatever.


S poštovanjem
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27.8.2016. u 20:00, Christopher Chaltain je napisao/la:

Is this really Apple's rule? I couldn't find anything on line with a
quick web search. I remember everyone was surprised when Apple
continued to support the 4S with IOS 9, which would have been four
years and not five, if the 4S would have stopped at IOS 8.

Whether it's a rule or not, and whether it's four or five years,
Apple's support for older hardware is truly outstanding in the mobile
space.

I would agree that if you're worried about whether you get an IOS
upgrade or the SE in 2020 then you should wait to see what the fall
brings. As Sieghard says though, the SE will still work on the last
version of IOS it supports even if you can't move up to the next
version. Also, how many people hold on to their smart phones that long
in the first place? I've seen us 4S users on this list get responses
that we should just upgrade, even when asking questions that have
nothing to do with the 4S and it's hardware.

On 27/08/16 08:37, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Knowing that this is Apple's rule at this point it doesn't mean this
will change. Also, if somebody who couldn't care less about the
latest features had an iPhone 4S which still worked well for what
they are doing they can still use it for years to come with iOS
9.3.5. Of course the reality is that a device that is 5 or 6 or even
7 years old will most likely need a new battery and why pay for that
if you could get whatever iPhone is free on contract. The exception
here would be somebody who maybe is happy to use the iPhone 4S with a
prepaid service or with a low-cost MVNO. My Mom has an iPad 2 from
2011 which also will not get iOS 10 this year. She already asked me
if she could still use it and I said that of course she can since
while it is a bit slow compared to new devices, it is still going
strong.


Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 2:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

Missing from this discussion is that Apple stops providing upgrade
ability to iPhones after five years.  The SE is based on 2015
technology and likely cannot accept the new iOS in 2020.  The iPhone
7 will likely not be able to receive a new iOS in 2021, based on past
Apple practice.  For example, the 4s will not be able to accept iOS
10 that will be out later this year.

Kelly

On 8/26/16, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

I just wonder what Apple's long term plans are. Are they going to
eventually sync the SE up with the rest of the IOS products or are
they going to continue to have multiple hardware releases in the year?
I can see where a spring release might take some of the thunder away
from the other smart phone manufacturers who line their product
releases up with the show in Barcelona, but I also know that operating
system development is more complicated when you have to support
different hardware schedules.

On 26/08/16 22:12, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Some people may be mad, but as Christopher said, it's up to everybody
to 

Re: Does WIFI Calling Save Battery Life?

[Christopher Chaltain]

If you would normally have both your cellular and wifi radios on, and 
you're turning off your cellular radio and using wifi calling then yes, 
you would save battery life.


If you'll still have both radios on and your just using wifi calling 
instead of your cellular connection then I don't think you'd save much 
battery life, but I'm not sure.


On 28/08/16 13:16, Dan Rathburn wrote:


Thanks,

Dan

The nice thing about science is that it's true whether you believe in it
or not.


--
Christopher (CJ)
chaltain at Gmail

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Re: E-Mail Client

[Christopher Chaltain]

This does sound a bit like Gmail. I've heard people rave about the Gmail 
app, but I like to work with both threads and individual messages at the 
same time. For example, I may want to file one message in a thread to a 
folder and delete the rest. I've never gotten the hang of doing this 
with the Gmail app on either IOS or Android or even the web interface 
for that matter. I'm not saying it can't be done, but I just haven't 
figured out how to do it quickly, easily and with confidence.


I like the Mail app as it is now on IOS 9 because it's obvious when I'm 
taking an action on an individual message or an entire thread. For me 
personally, I do find it a bit tedious though that I have to go into a 
new page to look at the messages in that particular thread and then back 
out of that page when I want to get back to my folder list. The focus 
always hasn't been good about taking me back to the place I was at 
before either.


I do like how Thunderbird handles threads on my Linux box and Aquamail 
does on my Android device. I double tap the message and the thread gets 
expanded or collapsed. It's easy to tell when I'm working on the thread 
or looking at or taking an action on just one particular message.


It sounds like this new mail client in IOS 10 will give me what I'm 
looking for. I'm not sure if or when I'll have an iPhone that'll be able 
to run IOS 10 though. It's too bad you can't upgrade just the Mail app 
so that those of us on IOS 9 could still take advantage of some of these 
enhancements.


On 28/08/16 14:06, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Correct, in the first few betas this “Messages” item on the rotor wasn’t
working so well yet so for a while I turned off threaded messages in
Mail settings and all messages were separate messages. I’m not sure how
to describe it, but while it keeps conversations together and with the
rotor turned to Messages it’s super easy to flick up and down browsing
through the messages, they are still separate messages and not part of
one big message. You can still delete individual messages in a
conversation which wouldn’t be possible if they were all lumped into one
message.



Regards,

Sieghard



*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Richard Turner
*Sent:* Sunday, August 28, 2016 11:42 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: E-Mail Client



Running iOS 10 beta 6 turning it off in mail settings gives me every
message as a separate message in a thread/conversation.



Richard





*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Sunday, August 28, 2016 10:30 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Re: E-Mail Client



That doesn't sound very good, unless I'm misunderstanding it. It sounds
kind of like what happens when you get a digest. You know, somebody
replies to a message that they got as part of a digest and doesn't
delete everything. So you get this great long mass. I can't believe
that's what they're doing. Sighted people would hate that. I guess we'll
all just have to wait and see what the final thing looks like.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:24 AM, Gordan Radić > wrote:

Hi!

I believe we misunderstood somewhere along the way xD.

I know about threaded view, it is available since iOS 5 or something
but this is a threaded view for message list and it can be turned on
or off.

iOS 10 is bringing several messages grouping in the single
conversation as seen in Gmail app which I really don't want and,
according to Tamas Geczy's article on CBT site it can't be turned off.

Here's the quotation on it:



A new threaded view for messages places all of the conversation as
though it were one long message. This adds a new rotor option:
Message. When it is selected, swiping down with VoiceOver will move
you to the next message in the mail document. You can turn off
threading, but not the behavior, or having them be organized in one
giant e-mail message rather than individual ones in a conversation
list within the subject. This might change, as sometimes in-line
message replies are not detected by the app — so you have to scroll
through older messages with greater than signs. In other cases, a
button allows you to expand the older messages. In my experience,
this is hit or miss, though with Gmail it recognized that the quoted
thread messages should be hidden most of the time



S poštovanjem
*Gordan Radić* 

 



 



 



 

27.8.2016. u 15:08, Richard Turner je napisao/la:



I believe you will be able to turn off the conversation

Re: E-Mail Client

[Richard Turner]

The only thing I do not like about the new threading method with the message 
item in the rotor, is that if you chose to use threading, and you want to 
delete just 1 message, it deletes the entire thread. At least, when 
experimenting with that feature, I have not found a way to just delete one 
message in a thread, or to delete all but one, however you want to look at it.
Richard


“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya


(Sent from my iPod 6)

On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
> wrote:

Correct, in the first few betas this “Messages” item on the rotor wasn’t 
working so well yet so for a while I turned off threaded messages in Mail 
settings and all messages were separate messages. I’m not sure how to describe 
it, but while it keeps conversations together and with the rotor turned to 
Messages it’s super easy to flick up and down browsing through the messages, 
they are still separate messages and not part of one big message. You can still 
delete individual messages in a conversation which wouldn’t be possible if they 
were all lumped into one message.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: E-Mail Client

Running iOS 10 beta 6 turning it off in mail settings gives me every message as 
a separate message in a thread/conversation.

Richard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 10:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: E-Mail Client

That doesn't sound very good, unless I'm misunderstanding it. It sounds kind of 
like what happens when you get a digest. You know, somebody replies to a 
message that they got as part of a digest and doesn't delete everything. So you 
get this great long mass. I can't believe that's what they're doing. Sighted 
people would hate that. I guess we'll all just have to wait and see what the 
final thing looks like.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:24 AM, Gordan Radić 
> wrote:

Hi!

I believe we misunderstood somewhere along the way xD.

I know about threaded view, it is available since iOS 5 or something but this 
is a threaded view for message list and it can be turned on or off.

iOS 10 is bringing several messages grouping in the single conversation as seen 
in Gmail app which I really don't want and, according to Tamas Geczy's article 
on CBT site it can't be turned off.

Here's the quotation on it:



A new threaded view for messages places all of the conversation as though it 
were one long message. This adds a new rotor option: Message. When it is 
selected, swiping down with VoiceOver will move you to the next message in the 
mail document. You can turn off threading, but not the behavior, or having them 
be organized in one giant e-mail message rather than individual ones in a 
conversation list within the subject. This might change, as sometimes in-line 
message replies are not detected by the app — so you have to scroll through 
older messages with greater than signs. In other cases, a button allows you to 
expand the older messages. In my experience, this is hit or miss, though with 
Gmail it recognized that the quoted thread messages should be hidden most of 
the time



S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić









27.8.2016. u 15:08, Richard Turner je napisao/la:

I believe you will be able to turn off the conversation threading in iOS 10.

Richard

(Sent from my iPhone 5S)

On Aug 27, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Gordan Radić 
> wrote:

Hi!

There's an article on the Cool Blind Tech website about what's new in incoming 
iOS 10. Amongst other things, it says message view in Mail app is not separated 
by message as it was till now. Now it is more like conversation view similar to 
text and iMessages and there is a new option in rotor called "message" which 
will enable you to switch between messages in conversation.

I'm not sure will I like this or not, I like clean separate messages and that's 
why I don't use Gmail app. I don't even like threads and I'm using it only for 
some mail groups I'm subscribed to.



S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić









27.8.2016. u 0:46, englishride...@gmail.com je 
napisao/la:
What do you mean, there's going to be a large 

Re: E-Mail Client

[Mary Otten]

I suppose that's why it is good to take early published articles with the large 
cup of salt.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Running iOS 10 beta 6 turning it off in mail settings gives me every message 
> as a separate message in a thread/conversation.
>  
> Richard
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 10:30 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: E-Mail Client
>  
> That doesn't sound very good, unless I'm misunderstanding it. It sounds kind 
> of like what happens when you get a digest. You know, somebody replies to a 
> message that they got as part of a digest and doesn't delete everything. So 
> you get this great long mass. I can't believe that's what they're doing. 
> Sighted people would hate that. I guess we'll all just have to wait and see 
> what the final thing looks like.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:24 AM, Gordan Radić  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I believe we misunderstood somewhere along the way xD.
> 
> I know about threaded view, it is available since iOS 5 or something but this 
> is a threaded view for message list and it can be turned on or off.
> 
> iOS 10 is bringing several messages grouping in the single conversation as 
> seen in Gmail app which I really don't want and, according to Tamas Geczy's 
> article on CBT site it can't be turned off.
> 
> Here's the quotation on it:
> 
>  
> 
> A new threaded view for messages places all of the conversation as though it 
> were one long message. This adds a new rotor option: Message. When it is 
> selected, swiping down with VoiceOver will move you to the next message in 
> the mail document. You can turn off threading, but not the behavior, or 
> having them be organized in one giant e-mail message rather than individual 
> ones in a conversation list within the subject. This might change, as 
> sometimes in-line message replies are not detected by the app — so you have 
> to scroll through older messages with greater than signs. In other cases, a 
> button allows you to expand the older messages. In my experience, this is hit 
> or miss, though with Gmail it recognized that the quoted thread messages 
> should be hidden most of the time
> 
>  
> 
> S poštovanjem
> Gordan Radić
> 
>   
>  
>  
>  
> 27.8.2016. u 15:08, Richard Turner je napisao/la:
>  
> I believe you will be able to turn off the conversation threading in iOS 10.
>  
> Richard
>  
> 
> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
> 
> On Aug 27, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Gordan Radić  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> There's an article on the Cool Blind Tech website about what's new in 
> incoming iOS 10. Amongst other things, it says message view in Mail app is 
> not separated by message as it was till now. Now it is more like conversation 
> view similar to text and iMessages and there is a new option in rotor called 
> "message" which will enable you to switch between messages in conversation.
> 
> I'm not sure will I like this or not, I like clean separate messages and 
> that's why I don't use Gmail app. I don't even like threads and I'm using it 
> only for some mail groups I'm subscribed to.
> 
>  
> 
> S poštovanjem
> Gordan Radić
> 
>   
>  
>  
>  
> 27.8.2016. u 0:46, englishride...@gmail.com je napisao/la:
> What do you mean, there's going to be a large turnaround the mail app's 
> interface in iOS 10?
>  
>  
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
> On Aug 26, 2016, at 1:44 PM, Gordan Radić  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> @Sieghard; I was mentioning iOS meaning iPhone, iPod Touch or iPad, it would 
> probably work on all iOS devices.
> 
> @Mary; I like the stock app very much but there's gonna be a large turnaround 
> in iOS 10 with its interface so I'm looking for alternatives. I used Aquamail 
> on some Android devices and I like its options, features and tones of 
> settings for fine tuning its operativity.
> 
> I agree Android approach to navigating and editing is harder to handle than 
> iOS but as you correctly said, it doesn't have to do anything with the app 
> itself. Regarding dictation, I'm getting far better results with Google 
> Speech Input or whatever is it called in English than Siri Dictation, atleast 
> for my native language.
> 
> I can manage multiple messages on both apps in pretty similar way so I don't 
> know did you played with Aquamail settins?
> 
> @Carol; glad you understand my needs xD.
> 
>  
> 
> S poštovanjem
> Gordan Radić
> 
>   
>  
>  
>  
> 26.8.2016. u 18:33, Mary Otten je napisao/la:
> I have never used aqua male with a keyboard. The other thing I prefer about 
> mail on iOS as opposed to android, and this really isn't specific to the mail 
> itself, has to do with dictation and interacting with editible text in 
> general. I like the fact that I can easily stop dictation in iOS. I like the 
> fact that I 

RE: Can not enter pass code on iPhone

[M. Taylor]

Hello Vicky, 

I am so sorry to learn of your problem.  Wow!  

As Sieghard suggested, you really should take the phone into an Apple Store.

However, if that is not an option, to answer your question, using the Mac, Yes, 
you will be able to successfully erase and restore the phone via iTunes.  

Were I you, however, I would make certain that I had a good pear of eyes with 
me, just in case there is a problem.

I'm curious, how many times did you attempt to enter the unlock password to 
your phone before trouble began?  

Also, to your recollection, did you have the phone set to erase all data after 
10 failed attempts?  

Please keep us posted on this.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Vicki Ratcliffe
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 4:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Can not enter pass code on iPhone

 Perhaps someone can write to me off list at vicki.ratcli...@gmail.com to 
give suggestions.

 Yesterday I had my iPhone 5 on and when taking Amtrak home charged the 
phone.  When starting to charge it, I noticed that there was not any speech and 
I tried to enter the pass code when the screen reader finally worked.  When 
plugging the phone in to the mac today, it said “iphone disabled” and even last 
night after the speech came on, I could not enter a code.

 The phone is backed up to iTunes but iTunes does not connect to it using 
the mac since I can not enter the pass code.  Calling Apple, I learned that I 
would have to erase the phone and then restore it through iTunes.

 Will voiceover work using recovery mode or what is the best way to erase 
and restore the phone.  I have not forgotten the code at all but now do not 
have use of a phone.

 Thanks for any input that you can provide.

Vicki Ratcliffe

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RE: E-Mail Client

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Correct, in the first few betas this “Messages” item on the rotor wasn’t 
working so well yet so for a while I turned off threaded messages in Mail 
settings and all messages were separate messages. I’m not sure how to describe 
it, but while it keeps conversations together and with the rotor turned to 
Messages it’s super easy to flick up and down browsing through the messages, 
they are still separate messages and not part of one big message. You can still 
delete individual messages in a conversation which wouldn’t be possible if they 
were all lumped into one message.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: E-Mail Client

Running iOS 10 beta 6 turning it off in mail settings gives me every message as 
a separate message in a thread/conversation.

Richard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 10:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: E-Mail Client

That doesn't sound very good, unless I'm misunderstanding it. It sounds kind of 
like what happens when you get a digest. You know, somebody replies to a 
message that they got as part of a digest and doesn't delete everything. So you 
get this great long mass. I can't believe that's what they're doing. Sighted 
people would hate that. I guess we'll all just have to wait and see what the 
final thing looks like.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:24 AM, Gordan Radić 
> wrote:

Hi!

I believe we misunderstood somewhere along the way xD.

I know about threaded view, it is available since iOS 5 or something but this 
is a threaded view for message list and it can be turned on or off.

iOS 10 is bringing several messages grouping in the single conversation as seen 
in Gmail app which I really don't want and, according to Tamas Geczy's article 
on CBT site it can't be turned off.

Here's the quotation on it:



A new threaded view for messages places all of the conversation as though it 
were one long message. This adds a new rotor option: Message. When it is 
selected, swiping down with VoiceOver will move you to the next message in the 
mail document. You can turn off threading, but not the behavior, or having them 
be organized in one giant e-mail message rather than individual ones in a 
conversation list within the subject. This might change, as sometimes in-line 
message replies are not detected by the app — so you have to scroll through 
older messages with greater than signs. In other cases, a button allows you to 
expand the older messages. In my experience, this is hit or miss, though with 
Gmail it recognized that the quoted thread messages should be hidden most of 
the time



S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić









27.8.2016. u 15:08, Richard Turner je napisao/la:

I believe you will be able to turn off the conversation threading in iOS 10.

Richard

(Sent from my iPhone 5S)

On Aug 27, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Gordan Radić 
> wrote:

Hi!

There's an article on the Cool Blind Tech website about what's new in incoming 
iOS 10. Amongst other things, it says message view in Mail app is not separated 
by message as it was till now. Now it is more like conversation view similar to 
text and iMessages and there is a new option in rotor called "message" which 
will enable you to switch between messages in conversation.

I'm not sure will I like this or not, I like clean separate messages and that's 
why I don't use Gmail app. I don't even like threads and I'm using it only for 
some mail groups I'm subscribed to.



S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić









27.8.2016. u 0:46, englishride...@gmail.com je 
napisao/la:
What do you mean, there's going to be a large turnaround the mail app's 
interface in iOS 10?


Thanks,
Ari

On Aug 26, 2016, at 1:44 PM, Gordan Radić 
> wrote:

Hi!

@Sieghard; I was mentioning iOS meaning iPhone, iPod Touch or iPad, it would 
probably work on all iOS devices.

@Mary; I like the stock app very much but there's gonna be a large turnaround 
in iOS 10 with its interface so I'm looking for alternatives. I used Aquamail 
on some Android devices and I like its options, features and tones of settings 
for fine tuning its operativity.

I agree Android approach to navigating and editing is harder to handle than iOS 
but as you correctly said, it doesn't 

RE: "Location tracking on" is back again

[M. Taylor]

Hello Mary,  

I only now just saw your email.  

It would appear that a few differences exist in the OS between back then when I 
first answered your Location Tracking question and now.

In short, some third-party apps, like Nearby Explorer take longer to release 
the GPS or, perhaps the OS is more latent in releasing the GPS, these days.

Regardless, once you make certain that the third-party GPS app is closed from 
the app-switcher, give it about 2 to 3 minutes for the Location Tracking 
indicator to disappear from the status line.  I have found that (1) simply 
opening the Settings area will cause the status line to update or (2) rebooting 
the phone will also update the status line.

Mark  

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:17 AM
To: VIPhone 'RobH. ' via
Subject: "Location tracking on" is back again

 Some months ago, I reported that I was having a problem with location tracking 
being on when it should not  be. That is, I wasn't using nor did I have running 
any app that had permission to use location services. Mark helpful he suggested 
some setting that I needed to change, which seemed to solve the problem. The 
problem is back with a vengeance. And I can't remember what the setting was. 
Can anyone refresh my memory?
Mary


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RE: E-Mail Client

[Richard Turner]

Running iOS 10 beta 6 turning it off in mail settings gives me every message as 
a separate message in a thread/conversation.

Richard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 10:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: E-Mail Client

That doesn't sound very good, unless I'm misunderstanding it. It sounds kind of 
like what happens when you get a digest. You know, somebody replies to a 
message that they got as part of a digest and doesn't delete everything. So you 
get this great long mass. I can't believe that's what they're doing. Sighted 
people would hate that. I guess we'll all just have to wait and see what the 
final thing looks like.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:24 AM, Gordan Radić 
> wrote:

Hi!

I believe we misunderstood somewhere along the way xD.

I know about threaded view, it is available since iOS 5 or something but this 
is a threaded view for message list and it can be turned on or off.

iOS 10 is bringing several messages grouping in the single conversation as seen 
in Gmail app which I really don't want and, according to Tamas Geczy's article 
on CBT site it can't be turned off.

Here's the quotation on it:



A new threaded view for messages places all of the conversation as though it 
were one long message. This adds a new rotor option: Message. When it is 
selected, swiping down with VoiceOver will move you to the next message in the 
mail document. You can turn off threading, but not the behavior, or having them 
be organized in one giant e-mail message rather than individual ones in a 
conversation list within the subject. This might change, as sometimes in-line 
message replies are not detected by the app — so you have to scroll through 
older messages with greater than signs. In other cases, a button allows you to 
expand the older messages. In my experience, this is hit or miss, though with 
Gmail it recognized that the quoted thread messages should be hidden most of 
the time



S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić









27.8.2016. u 15:08, Richard Turner je napisao/la:

I believe you will be able to turn off the conversation threading in iOS 10.

Richard

(Sent from my iPhone 5S)

On Aug 27, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Gordan Radić 
> wrote:

Hi!

There's an article on the Cool Blind Tech website about what's new in incoming 
iOS 10. Amongst other things, it says message view in Mail app is not separated 
by message as it was till now. Now it is more like conversation view similar to 
text and iMessages and there is a new option in rotor called "message" which 
will enable you to switch between messages in conversation.

I'm not sure will I like this or not, I like clean separate messages and that's 
why I don't use Gmail app. I don't even like threads and I'm using it only for 
some mail groups I'm subscribed to.



S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić









27.8.2016. u 0:46, englishride...@gmail.com je 
napisao/la:
What do you mean, there's going to be a large turnaround the mail app's 
interface in iOS 10?


Thanks,
Ari

On Aug 26, 2016, at 1:44 PM, Gordan Radić 
> wrote:

Hi!

@Sieghard; I was mentioning iOS meaning iPhone, iPod Touch or iPad, it would 
probably work on all iOS devices.

@Mary; I like the stock app very much but there's gonna be a large turnaround 
in iOS 10 with its interface so I'm looking for alternatives. I used Aquamail 
on some Android devices and I like its options, features and tones of settings 
for fine tuning its operativity.

I agree Android approach to navigating and editing is harder to handle than iOS 
but as you correctly said, it doesn't have to do anything with the app itself. 
Regarding dictation, I'm getting far better results with Google Speech Input or 
whatever is it called in English than Siri Dictation, atleast for my native 
language.

I can manage multiple messages on both apps in pretty similar way so I don't 
know did you played with Aquamail settins?

@Carol; glad you understand my needs xD.



S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić









26.8.2016. u 18:33, Mary Otten je napisao/la:

I have never used aqua male with a keyboard. The other thing I prefer about 
mail on iOS as opposed to android, and this really isn't specific to the mail 
itself, has to do with dictation and interacting with editible text in general. 
I like 

Does WIFI Calling Save Battery Life?

[Dan Rathburn]

Thanks,

Dan

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not. 


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Some Kind of DND?

[Gordan Radić]

  
  
Hi once more!
Today I was reading some articles on Macworld and I found
  something interesting regarding iPhone 6S and 6S plus running iOS
  9.
It says when the iPhone is face down on the table it won't unlock
  and make sounds for notifications. I can't remember did I ever
  experience this although I mostly keep my phone face up so I
  wonder did 6S and 6S Plus owners run into this somewhere in the
  way?
Thanks for your answers!



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Re: E-Mail Client

[christopher hallsworth]

Hey, didn’t know you can do a two finger flick up to read message content. Been 
using iOS since iOS 4, and this is news to me.
> On 27 Aug 2016, at 23:55, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> This new mail interface sounds like it'll be confusing. Right now, I like 
> being able to find the person's name, then do a two-finger flick up to read 
> the message content. For some reason that I don't understand, this behaves 
> differently in the mail app than anywhere else in iOS. This gesture is 
> supposed to read the entire screen, but when done in the mail app once on the 
> person's name, it skips the header information and just reads the message. 
> Not that I'm complaining about that or anything; it's just odd. Maybe it has 
> something to do with these container things in iOS? I don't have that setting 
> in my rotor, but maybe it still counts as a container even if that option 
> isn't on your rotor. Anyway, I think I'm going to find this new mail 
> interface rather annoying. I'm going to read Jonathan Mosen's iOS 10 Without 
> the Eye first before updating, as well as listen to the podcasts released by 
> AppleVis.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
> On Aug 27, 2016, at 11:37 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>> Yes, it works fine, but Gordan said he didn’t like having it on.
>> Richard
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:25 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: E-Mail Client
>>  
>> Yes, this can still be turned off in Mail settings as always although it 
>> works beautifully.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:08 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: E-Mail Client
>>  
>>  
>> I believe you will be able to turn off the conversation threading in iOS 10.
>>  
>> Richard
>>  
>> 
>> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>> 
>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Gordan Radić  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> There's an article on the Cool Blind Tech website about what's new in 
>> incoming iOS 10. Amongst other things, it says message view in Mail app is 
>> not separated by message as it was till now. Now it is more like 
>> conversation view similar to text and iMessages and there is a new option in 
>> rotor called "message" which will enable you to switch between messages in 
>> conversation.
>> 
>> I'm not sure will I like this or not, I like clean separate messages and 
>> that's why I don't use Gmail app. I don't even like threads and I'm using it 
>> only for some mail groups I'm subscribed to.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> S poštovanjem
>> Gordan Radić
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 27.8.2016. u 0:46, englishride...@gmail.com je napisao/la:
>> What do you mean, there's going to be a large turnaround the mail app's 
>> interface in iOS 10?
>>  
>>  
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
>> 
>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 1:44 PM, Gordan Radić  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> @Sieghard; I was mentioning iOS meaning iPhone, iPod Touch or iPad, it would 
>> probably work on all iOS devices.
>> 
>> @Mary; I like the stock app very much but there's gonna be a large 
>> turnaround in iOS 10 with its interface so I'm looking for alternatives. I 
>> used Aquamail on some Android devices and I like its options, features and 
>> tones of settings for fine tuning its operativity.
>> 
>> I agree Android approach to navigating and editing is harder to handle than 
>> iOS but as you correctly said, it doesn't have to do anything with the app 
>> itself. Regarding dictation, I'm getting far better results with Google 
>> Speech Input or whatever is it called in English than Siri Dictation, 
>> atleast for my native language.
>> 
>> I can manage multiple messages on both apps in pretty similar way so I don't 
>> know did you played with Aquamail settins?
>> 
>> @Carol; glad you understand my needs xD.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> S poštovanjem
>> Gordan Radić
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 26.8.2016. u 18:33, Mary Otten je napisao/la:
>> I have never used aqua male with a keyboard. The other thing I prefer about 
>> mail on iOS as opposed to android, and this really isn't specific to the 
>> mail itself, has to do with dictation and interacting with editible text in 
>> general. I like the fact that I can easily stop dictation in iOS. I like the 
>> fact that I get a tone telling me that dictation has stopped. I don't get 
>> that with android, except when doing Google voice searches. I also find it 
>> easier to get around in the text and make corrections. I realize that this 
>> is not specific to the mail client. And other people's experiences may 
>> differ. But that's my two cents.
>> Mary
>>  
>>  
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>  
>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:28 AM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>>  
>> I would agree with you there, Mary. Because there are a couple of 

Safari: Read list, RSS (Social) Feeds

[Gordan Radić]

  
  
Hi!
I hope this is called Read List in English, I use my phone in
  Croatian so I'm improvising xD.
I'm talking about the option in Safari to add pages I want to
  read later or offline to Read or Reading List. I can successfuly
  add some pages there but I'm not able to delete them. When I flick
  up or down I hear Delete but when I confirm it with double tap
  nothing happens. Can someone clarify on this one?
The other one is Social Links or however is it called, it is in
  the same place as Reading List, just another tab. I have imported
  some sites there and as in previous topic, I can't delete them.
  Here I don't even get the option to delete. I'm noticing there's
  always just a hundreed of items so I believe this works as FIFO
  but Icould use confirmation on this.
Thanks!


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Re: E-Mail Client

[Mary Otten]

That doesn't sound very good, unless I'm misunderstanding it. It sounds kind of 
like what happens when you get a digest. You know, somebody replies to a 
message that they got as part of a digest and doesn't delete everything. So you 
get this great long mass. I can't believe that's what they're doing. Sighted 
people would hate that. I guess we'll all just have to wait and see what the 
final thing looks like.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:24 AM, Gordan Radić  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I believe we misunderstood somewhere along the way xD.
> 
> I know about threaded view, it is available since iOS 5 or something but this 
> is a threaded view for message list and it can be turned on or off.
> 
> iOS 10 is bringing several messages grouping in the single conversation as 
> seen in Gmail app which I really don't want and, according to Tamas Geczy's 
> article on CBT site it can't be turned off.
> 
> Here's the quotation on it:
> 
> 
> A new threaded view for messages places all of the conversation as though it 
> were one long message. This adds a new rotor option: Message. When it is 
> selected, swiping down with VoiceOver will move you to the next message in 
> the mail document. You can turn off threading, but not the behavior, or 
> having them be organized in one giant e-mail message rather than individual 
> ones in a conversation list within the subject. This might change, as 
> sometimes in-line message replies are not detected by the app — so you have 
> to scroll through older messages with greater than signs. In other cases, a 
> button allows you to expand the older messages. In my experience, this is hit 
> or miss, though with Gmail it recognized that the quoted thread messages 
> should be hidden most of the time
> 
> 
> S poštovanjem
> Gordan Radić
> 
>  
>  
> 27.8.2016. u 15:08, Richard Turner je napisao/la:
>> 
>> I believe you will be able to turn off the conversation threading in iOS 10.
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>> 
>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Gordan Radić  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> There's an article on the Cool Blind Tech website about what's new in 
>>> incoming iOS 10. Amongst other things, it says message view in Mail app is 
>>> not separated by message as it was till now. Now it is more like 
>>> conversation view similar to text and iMessages and there is a new option 
>>> in rotor called "message" which will enable you to switch between messages 
>>> in conversation.
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure will I like this or not, I like clean separate messages and 
>>> that's why I don't use Gmail app. I don't even like threads and I'm using 
>>> it only for some mail groups I'm subscribed to.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> S poštovanjem
>>> Gordan Radić
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 27.8.2016. u 0:46, englishride...@gmail.com je napisao/la:
 What do you mean, there's going to be a large turnaround the mail app's 
 interface in iOS 10?
 
 
 Thanks,
 Ari
 
 On Aug 26, 2016, at 1:44 PM, Gordan Radić  wrote:
 
> Hi!
> 
> @Sieghard; I was mentioning iOS meaning iPhone, iPod Touch or iPad, it 
> would probably work on all iOS devices.
> 
> @Mary; I like the stock app very much but there's gonna be a large 
> turnaround in iOS 10 with its interface so I'm looking for alternatives. 
> I used Aquamail on some Android devices and I like its options, features 
> and tones of settings for fine tuning its operativity.
> 
> I agree Android approach to navigating and editing is harder to handle 
> than iOS but as you correctly said, it doesn't have to do anything with 
> the app itself. Regarding dictation, I'm getting far better results with 
> Google Speech Input or whatever is it called in English than Siri 
> Dictation, atleast for my native language.
> 
> I can manage multiple messages on both apps in pretty similar way so I 
> don't know did you played with Aquamail settins?
> @Carol; glad you understand my needs xD.
> 
> 
> S poštovanjem
> Gordan Radić
> 
>  
>  
> 26.8.2016. u 18:33, Mary Otten je napisao/la:
>> I have never used aqua male with a keyboard. The other thing I prefer 
>> about mail on iOS as opposed to android, and this really isn't specific 
>> to the mail itself, has to do with dictation and interacting with 
>> editible text in general. I like the fact that I can easily stop 
>> dictation in iOS. I like the fact that I get a tone telling me that 
>> dictation has stopped. I don't get that with android, except when doing 
>> Google voice searches. I also find it easier to get around in the text 
>> and make corrections. I realize that this is not specific to the mail 
>> client. And other people's experiences may differ. But that's my two 
>> cents.

RE: "Location tracking on" is back again

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Mary,

I assume these would be for when you ask Reminders to remind you to do 
something when, for example, you get home.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 10:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: "Location tracking on" is back again

Under that system services tab, what are location-based alerts? Those are on. 
I'm not sure what they are or why they're on or whether I actually turned them 
on. I don't think so. Since I don't know what they are, maybe the default is on.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2016, at 5:06 AM, Donna 
> wrote:
Now that I have explored what Jan suggested, I have to agree with her. If you 
go to settings, privacy, location services, swipe down to system services & tap 
to open. Here you will find system services that use your location. Turn off 
those services that you don't trackingg your every move. Here you also have the 
option to not have the system service icon displayed in the status bar.

I have app background refresh on. I have switched on the system service icon 
then turned background refresh off & the icon still remains in the status bar. 
So in my opinion, background refresh has nothing to do with your problem.

Donna

Hi

This might be one of the settings under system settings within location 
services.  There are things like cellular services wanting to use location 
services, wifi wanting to use this, traffic routing wanting to use it.  Might 
it have been one of those?

Jan Kleinhans
- Original Message -
From: Donna
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: "Location tracking on" is back again

If you go to settings, privacy, location services you can turn off any of your 
apps that you don't to use your location.

Donna

No. Turning off location services means no apps ever get location information. 
That is not the way to go if you have GPS apps for instants or other 
applications, maybe a local news application or whatever, that need your 
location. Even the weather app needs your location. This was something probably 
under privacy.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2016, at 2:47 PM, rajmund 
> wrote:
Hi, turn off location services?

Sent from my iPhone 5S

On 27 Aug 2016, at 5:16 pm, Mary Otten 
> wrote:
Some months ago, I reported that I was having a problem with location tracking 
being on when it should not  be. That is, I wasn't using nor did I have running 
any app that had permission to use location services. Mark helpful he suggested 
some setting that I needed to change, which seemed to solve the problem. The 
problem is back with a vengeance. And I can't remember what the setting was. 
Can anyone refresh my memory?
Mary


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Re: "Location tracking on" is back again

[Mary Otten]

Under that system services tab, what are location-based alerts? Those are on. 
I'm not sure what they are or why they're on or whether I actually turned them 
on. I don't think so. Since I don't know what they are, maybe the default is on.
Mary


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> On Aug 28, 2016, at 5:06 AM, Donna  wrote:
> 
> Now that I have explored what Jan suggested, I have to agree with her. If you 
> go to settings, privacy, location services, swipe down to system services & 
> tap to open. Here you will find system services that use your location. Turn 
> off those services that you don't trackingg your every move. Here you also 
> have the option to not have the system service icon displayed in the status 
> bar. 
> 
> I have app background refresh on. I have switched on the system service icon 
> then turned background refresh off & the icon still remains in the status 
> bar. So in my opinion, background refresh has nothing to do with your 
> problem. 
> 
> Donna 
> 
>> Hi
>>  
>> This might be one of the settings under system settings within location 
>> services.  There are things like cellular services wanting to use location 
>> services, wifi wanting to use this, traffic routing wanting to use it.  
>> Might it have been one of those?
>>  
>> Jan Kleinhans
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Donna
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 12:24 AM
>> Subject: Re: "Location tracking on" is back again
>> 
>> If you go to settings, privacy, location services you can turn off any of 
>> your apps that you don't to use your location. 
>> 
>> Donna
>> 
>>> No. Turning off location services means no apps ever get location 
>>> information. That is not the way to go if you have GPS apps for instants or 
>>> other applications, maybe a local news application or whatever, that need 
>>> your location. Even the weather app needs your location. This was something 
>>> probably under privacy.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 27, 2016, at 2:47 PM, rajmund  wrote:
 
 Hi, turn off location services?
 
 Sent from my iPhone 5S
 
> On 27 Aug 2016, at 5:16 pm, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Some months ago, I reported that I was having a problem with location 
> tracking being on when it should not  be. That is, I wasn't using nor did 
> I have running any app that had permission to use location services. Mark 
> helpful he suggested some setting that I needed to change, which seemed 
> to solve the problem. The problem is back with a vengeance. And I can't 
> remember what the setting was. Can anyone refresh my memory?
> Mary
> 
> 
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RE: Signing up for the Apple Beta

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Mmary and Carol,

Mary, no, I am not a Mac user and can't help you there.
Carol, I'll post something once the iOS 10 public release dust settles and the 
Outlook app has been updated so these sign-in issues are resolved. However, 
keep in mind that it is a free app so you can always download it, set up a mail 
account and give it a try to see for yourself. There is no problem with 
downloading a second mail app to your iPhone and to use it in parallel with the 
native mail app, it's no different from having two OCR or object recognition 
apps. In fact, doing so and going back and forth between both apps to deal with 
your email is probably the best way to figure out what you like and not like 
about each app and to make a final decision which one you will go with.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 9:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Signing up for the Apple Beta

Thanks, Sieghard, this is interesting about outlook. I don't think you have a 
Mac, so I guess the question of the excess ability of outlook on the Mac would 
not be one that you would be able to answer. I am not as happy with the Mail 
app on the Mac as I have been with it on iOS. So if outlook becomes a good 
alternative, it will be worth looking into.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2016, at 9:30 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> You are correct, KNFB Reader still does not work on the latest Beta which is 
> developer beta 7 and public beta 6. There never have been this many betas, 
> Rob from Today in iOS Podcast thinks that this current version is the last 
> Beta before the Goldmaster which usually comes out the week of the keynote 
> and which also usually is the first public release. Sometimes if a serious 
> bug is discovered in the Goldmaster there is another update before the public 
> release. I have a feeling that Apple may actually release another beta next 
> week, but who knows. Anyhow, it would appear that the KNFB Reader issue is 
> something that needs to be addressed with an app update of the KNFB Reader 
> app and I would hope that KNFB will release this update before or around the 
> time of the public release of iOS 10.
> Microsoft has just acknowledge officially for the first time that there are 
> issues with the Outlook app and iOS 10, currently you can't set up an Office 
> 365 account or sign in with an Outlook.com account which has two-step 
> verification enabled. They told me this privately in an email weeks ago and 
> with the last Outlook update said in the What's New that they are aware of 
> this and are working on a fix. This would make me think that they are going 
> to release a fix before the public release and I look forward to this because 
> one thing that works much better in Outlook now is being able to review text 
> by character and word in the message body. This was not working previously 
> and was basically the major dealbreaker why I wouldn't use Outlook as my 
> major mail client. If this continues to work Outlook may very well be a very 
> good alternative to the iOS native Mail app.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 9:16 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Signing up for the Apple Beta
> 
> Hi Sieghard,
> I was using the on-screen keyboard, and I was careful about capitalizing the 
> parts of my password that need to be capitalized and not capitalizing the 
> rest. And yes, I was trying to register for the beta on my iPad mini two. I 
> expect this will be the last upgrade for the mini too. I don't know why it's 
> getting it and iPod touch five isn't. But such are the breaks I guess. I was 
> going to try it on my 6S, and then I chickened out, not knowing if K NFB 
> would work, as I heard it didn't early on and still doesn't on the recently 
> released android nougat
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> Are you doing this from the device that you want to register? Unfortunately 
>> there isn't much I can tell  you other than that it has to be done from the 
>> device you want to register, you go to beta.apple.com and follow the links 
>> and steps required. Are you using a Bluetooth keyboard or do you use the 
>> on-screen keyboard, make sure if you use a Bluetooth keyboard that you don't 
>> have caps lock on when you enter your password. I know these is basic advice 
>> which as an experienced user you probably know and have checked, but unless 
>> there was some sort of issue with the Apple servers this is all I can think 
>> of.
>> You are correct, by the way, the iPad 2 is not going to get iOS 10 any more 
>> and as far as I know of all 

Re: "Location tracking on" is back again

[Mary Otten]

Thanks, Shai. That setting is still off, so that's not it. There are some 
interesting things under system services, a few of which are on, some of which 
I don't exactly know what turning them off would do. Something like Wi-Fi 
calling, which is currently off, or compass calibration which is currently on. 
Then there is something about cellular network search, which is also off. But 
there were a couple of others that I can't think of right now which are on. 
Maybe it's one of those. It definitely isn't an app like Facebook. I never let 
things like Facebook or Twitter or even Safari for that matter, see my location.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2016, at 9:38 PM, Shai  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> The setting that Mark suggested was to disable background app refresh.
> This can be found in settings/general/background app refresh. He
> mentioned that toggling it to off should remedy your location always
> tracking issue in the status bar.
> Hope that helps
> 
> 
> 
>> On 8/27/16, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> Some months ago, I reported that I was having a problem with location
>> tracking being on when it should not  be. That is, I wasn't using nor did I
>> have running any app that had permission to use location services. Mark
>> helpful he suggested some setting that I needed to change, which seemed to
>> solve the problem. The problem is back with a vengeance. And I can't
>> remember what the setting was. Can anyone refresh my memory?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Bluetooth Headphones

[Chip Orange]

Yes, several people did purchase it because they wrote me to ask for my notes 
on how the controls were laid out, and for my text copy of the user guide.

 

Chip

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of gs
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 12:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bluetooth Headphones

 

After this headset received publicity on the list, did anyone purchase it 
since? If so, are there any other opinions about it?

 

 

On Jul 17, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:

 

BLE is low-energy and here is link to my headset: 
http://www.lg.com/us/lg-friends/lg-HBS-1100-Black-tone-platinum? 

 ==sTE8hjFDX-dm_pcrid_97112911108_pkw_lg%20hbs%201100_pmt_e_

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 2:45 PM Chip Orange  wrote:

They’re ear-buds; that is, there’s a button mushroom hard plastic piece which 
holds the speaker, and then there’s a silicon rubber tip which you slide into 
your ear.  It’s soft and comfortable, and you just push it in until it’s far 
enough to hold itself (so, nothing like Apple ear buds is what I’m saying).  
They give you a medium and a small set of tips.

 

I usually take cell calls, and work with Siri, with just one inserted, and only 
use both when I’m listening to music.

 

Chip

 

 

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Anthony Vece
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:03 PM


To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bluetooth Headphones

 

Are they earbuds or, or earphones?



Sent from my Verizon iPhone SE


On Jul 17, 2016, at 11:54 AM, Kevin Chao  wrote:

I've the LG HBS1100, which pairs to multiple devices, and has BLE; the 
sound-quality is amazing!

 

 

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 8:28 AM Chip Orange  wrote:

Hi,

It sits very loosely and lightly on your shoulders, and does not touch your 
neck, and so causes no sweat or discomfort.

I was employed at the time my wife picked it out, and she did so because it 
looks very professional (I have since retired); she liked the look of it far 
more than one which sits in your ear, or the bone conduction ones which sit on 
your head.  It's not completely invisible (you cannot cover it up with a shirt 
collar when you are actually talking on it because you'd be covering the 
microphone), but she says it's hardly noticable.  She says even if you wear a 
tie she's seen plenty of people dressed like that wearing these types of collar 
headsets.

We both believe that bluetooth headsets are acceptible parts of business dress 
these days, but this is the most minimal headset we know of.

Also, I forgot to mention if you lay down your phone and forget it and start to 
walk off, the headset will begin vibrating as you walk out of range, keeping 
you from forgetting your phone.  Of course, you can turn off the audible ringer 
on the phone, and have the headset just vibrate when a call comes in.  It can 
vibrate in different patterns, so you can tell a text from a call from a 
special pattern you've assigned to certain contacts.

I've had it now for about six months, and I still like it as much as when I 
first purchased it.


Chip



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Mohib Anwar Rafay
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 2:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bluetooth Headphones

Hi chip is that headset be connected to two devices at the same time?
and what about its capacity to handle neck sweat, as during summer its
too much humidity in my area. and tell me about its noticeable part,
mean can I use this headset in my professional life, mean in the
official meetings etc? mean will it go unnoticed when not in use? and
when I got a call, simply pull out earbud and insurt into the ear,
rest all the time in hidden position.

On 7/17/16, Chip Orange  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Yes, I have just such a bluetooth pair; they are horse-shoe shaped and sit
> on your shoulders around your neck (very losely).  You pull out a little
> mushroom ear-piece from either side and insert it into the ear (it's tipped
> with soft silicon-rubber), and when you're done you press a button and they
> automatically retract back into the base unit.
>
> These are the LG HBS 900, and I have written up instructions and converted
> the pdf manual to text for anyone who would like a copy you can email me
> at:
>
> acora...@comcast.net
>
> They are at the top end of your price range, but do everything you want,
> have great sound quality, you can use only one ear or both, and they have a
> 3-setting equalizer, as well as controls for pause/ff and rw, and talking to
> Siri, starting and ending calls, etc.  Battery last for 3 days.
> They come in various colors, my sighted wife prefers the 

RE: need iPhone app works well with scale

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Larry,

I assume you are talking about a body scale? If so, this article from Jonathan 
Mosen may help:

http://mosen.org/weight-weight-do-tell-me-my-search-for-a-reliable-accessible-smart-scale/


Regards,
Sieghard

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Larry McCreary
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 6:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: need iPhone app works well with scale

Hello, Is there a scale that works with a particular iPhone app or if someone 
can recommend a good talking scale that would be nice.  Thanks very much for 
your help.

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Re: Bluetooth Headphones

[gs]

After this headset received publicity on the list, did anyone purchase it 
since? If so, are there any other opinions about it?


On Jul 17, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:

BLE is low-energy and here is link to my headset: 
http://www.lg.com/us/lg-friends/lg-HBS-1100-Black-tone-platinum?==sTE8hjFDX-dm_pcrid_97112911108_pkw_lg%20hbs%201100_pmt_e_
 

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 2:45 PM Chip Orange > wrote:
They’re ear-buds; that is, there’s a button mushroom hard plastic piece which 
holds the speaker, and then there’s a silicon rubber tip which you slide into 
your ear.  It’s soft and comfortable, and you just push it in until it’s far 
enough to hold itself (so, nothing like Apple ear buds is what I’m saying).  
They give you a medium and a small set of tips.

 

I usually take cell calls, and work with Siri, with just one inserted, and only 
use both when I’m listening to music.

 

Chip

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
Of Anthony Vece
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:03 PM


To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Bluetooth Headphones

 

Are they earbuds or, or earphones?



Sent from my Verizon iPhone SE


On Jul 17, 2016, at 11:54 AM, Kevin Chao > wrote:

I've the LG HBS1100, which pairs to multiple devices, and has BLE; the 
sound-quality is amazing!

 

 

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 8:28 AM Chip Orange > wrote:

Hi,

It sits very loosely and lightly on your shoulders, and does not touch your 
neck, and so causes no sweat or discomfort.

I was employed at the time my wife picked it out, and she did so because it 
looks very professional (I have since retired); she liked the look of it far 
more than one which sits in your ear, or the bone conduction ones which sit on 
your head.  It's not completely invisible (you cannot cover it up with a shirt 
collar when you are actually talking on it because you'd be covering the 
microphone), but she says it's hardly noticable.  She says even if you wear a 
tie she's seen plenty of people dressed like that wearing these types of collar 
headsets.

We both believe that bluetooth headsets are acceptible parts of business dress 
these days, but this is the most minimal headset we know of.

Also, I forgot to mention if you lay down your phone and forget it and start to 
walk off, the headset will begin vibrating as you walk out of range, keeping 
you from forgetting your phone.  Of course, you can turn off the audible ringer 
on the phone, and have the headset just vibrate when a call comes in.  It can 
vibrate in different patterns, so you can tell a text from a call from a 
special pattern you've assigned to certain contacts.

I've had it now for about six months, and I still like it as much as when I 
first purchased it.


Chip



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
Of Mohib Anwar Rafay
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 2:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Bluetooth Headphones

Hi chip is that headset be connected to two devices at the same time?
and what about its capacity to handle neck sweat, as during summer its
too much humidity in my area. and tell me about its noticeable part,
mean can I use this headset in my professional life, mean in the
official meetings etc? mean will it go unnoticed when not in use? and
when I got a call, simply pull out earbud and insurt into the ear,
rest all the time in hidden position.

On 7/17/16, Chip Orange > 
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Yes, I have just such a bluetooth pair; they are horse-shoe shaped and sit
> on your shoulders around your neck (very losely).  You pull out a little
> mushroom ear-piece from either side and insert it into the ear (it's tipped
> with soft silicon-rubber), and when you're done you press a button and they
> automatically retract back into the base unit.
>
> These are the LG HBS 900, and I have written up instructions and converted
> the pdf manual to text for anyone who would like a copy you can email me
> at:
>
> acora...@comcast.net 
>
> They are at the top end of your price range, but do everything you want,
> have great sound quality, you can use only one ear or both, and they have a
> 3-setting equalizer, as well as controls for pause/ff and rw, and talking to
> Siri, starting and ending calls, etc.  Battery last for 3 days.
> They come in various colors, my sighted wife prefers the silver.
>

Re: Signing up for the Apple Beta

[Mary Otten]

Thanks, Sieghard, this is interesting about outlook. I don't think you have a 
Mac, so I guess the question of the excess ability of outlook on the Mac would 
not be one that you would be able to answer. I am not as happy with the Mail 
app on the Mac as I have been with it on iOS. So if outlook becomes a good 
alternative, it will be worth looking into.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2016, at 9:30 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> You are correct, KNFB Reader still does not work on the latest Beta which is 
> developer beta 7 and public beta 6. There never have been this many betas, 
> Rob from Today in iOS Podcast thinks that this current version is the last 
> Beta before the Goldmaster which usually comes out the week of the keynote 
> and which also usually is the first public release. Sometimes if a serious 
> bug is discovered in the Goldmaster there is another update before the public 
> release. I have a feeling that Apple may actually release another beta next 
> week, but who knows. Anyhow, it would appear that the KNFB Reader issue is 
> something that needs to be addressed with an app update of the KNFB Reader 
> app and I would hope that KNFB will release this update before or around the 
> time of the public release of iOS 10.
> Microsoft has just acknowledge officially for the first time that there are 
> issues with the Outlook app and iOS 10, currently you can't set up an Office 
> 365 account or sign in with an Outlook.com account which has two-step 
> verification enabled. They told me this privately in an email weeks ago and 
> with the last Outlook update said in the What's New that they are aware of 
> this and are working on a fix. This would make me think that they are going 
> to release a fix before the public release and I look forward to this because 
> one thing that works much better in Outlook now is being able to review text 
> by character and word in the message body. This was not working previously 
> and was basically the major dealbreaker why I wouldn't use Outlook as my 
> major mail client. If this continues to work Outlook may very well be a very 
> good alternative to the iOS native Mail app.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 9:16 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Signing up for the Apple Beta
> 
> Hi Sieghard,
> I was using the on-screen keyboard, and I was careful about capitalizing the 
> parts of my password that need to be capitalized and not capitalizing the 
> rest. And yes, I was trying to register for the beta on my iPad mini two. I 
> expect this will be the last upgrade for the mini too. I don't know why it's 
> getting it and iPod touch five isn't. But such are the breaks I guess. I was 
> going to try it on my 6S, and then I chickened out, not knowing if K NFB 
> would work, as I heard it didn't early on and still doesn't on the recently 
> released android nougat
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> Are you doing this from the device that you want to register? Unfortunately 
>> there isn't much I can tell  you other than that it has to be done from the 
>> device you want to register, you go to beta.apple.com and follow the links 
>> and steps required. Are you using a Bluetooth keyboard or do you use the 
>> on-screen keyboard, make sure if you use a Bluetooth keyboard that you don't 
>> have caps lock on when you enter your password. I know these is basic advice 
>> which as an experienced user you probably know and have checked, but unless 
>> there was some sort of issue with the Apple servers this is all I can think 
>> of.
>> You are correct, by the way, the iPad 2 is not going to get iOS 10 any more 
>> and as far as I know of all Lightning devices the iPod Touch fifth gen for 
>> some reason also will not  be compatible any more, the only iPod that can 
>> run iOS 10 is the sixth generation iPod Touch.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 4:45 PM
>> To: VIPhone 'RobH. ' via 
>> Subject: Signing up for the Apple Beta
>> 
>> Now that we are so close to the release of iOS 10, I decided to take a flyer 
>> on the beta using my iPad too. I should say my iPad mini two, since I don't 
>> know that the iPad 2 is even eligible for this beta, and in any case, I 
>> don't have an iPad too. So I would like to hear from someone off the list 
>> who might be able to shed light on the following. I went to the beta site 
>> and went to sign up with my Apple ID. I very carefully entered my Apple ID 
>> and very carefully entered my password. I was told either my ID or 

Re: Signing up for the Apple Beta

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

Sieghaard, please be sure to tell us if you consider the Outlook app to 
be better than the native mail app, once both new additions are 
available and considered by yourself? I could well be very interested at 
that stage.


Carol P - UK



On 28/08/2016 17:30, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Mary,

You are correct, KNFB Reader still does not work on the latest Beta which is 
developer beta 7 and public beta 6. There never have been this many betas, Rob 
from Today in iOS Podcast thinks that this current version is the last Beta 
before the Goldmaster which usually comes out the week of the keynote and which 
also usually is the first public release. Sometimes if a serious bug is 
discovered in the Goldmaster there is another update before the public release. 
I have a feeling that Apple may actually release another beta next week, but 
who knows. Anyhow, it would appear that the KNFB Reader issue is something that 
needs to be addressed with an app update of the KNFB Reader app and I would 
hope that KNFB will release this update before or around the time of the public 
release of iOS 10.
Microsoft has just acknowledge officially for the first time that there are 
issues with the Outlook app and iOS 10, currently you can't set up an Office 
365 account or sign in with an Outlook.com account which has two-step 
verification enabled. They told me this privately in an email weeks ago and 
with the last Outlook update said in the What's New that they are aware of this 
and are working on a fix. This would make me think that they are going to 
release a fix before the public release and I look forward to this because one 
thing that works much better in Outlook now is being able to review text by 
character and word in the message body. This was not working previously and was 
basically the major dealbreaker why I wouldn't use Outlook as my major mail 
client. If this continues to work Outlook may very well be a very good 
alternative to the iOS native Mail app.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 9:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Signing up for the Apple Beta

Hi Sieghard,
I was using the on-screen keyboard, and I was careful about capitalizing the 
parts of my password that need to be capitalized and not capitalizing the rest. 
And yes, I was trying to register for the beta on my iPad mini two. I expect 
this will be the last upgrade for the mini too. I don't know why it's getting 
it and iPod touch five isn't. But such are the breaks I guess. I was going to 
try it on my 6S, and then I chickened out, not knowing if K NFB would work, as 
I heard it didn't early on and still doesn't on the recently released android 
nougat

Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 28, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Hi Mary,

Are you doing this from the device that you want to register? Unfortunately 
there isn't much I can tell  you other than that it has to be done from the 
device you want to register, you go to beta.apple.com and follow the links and 
steps required. Are you using a Bluetooth keyboard or do you use the on-screen 
keyboard, make sure if you use a Bluetooth keyboard that you don't have caps 
lock on when you enter your password. I know these is basic advice which as an 
experienced user you probably know and have checked, but unless there was some 
sort of issue with the Apple servers this is all I can think of.
You are correct, by the way, the iPad 2 is not going to get iOS 10 any more and 
as far as I know of all Lightning devices the iPod Touch fifth gen for some 
reason also will not  be compatible any more, the only iPod that can run iOS 10 
is the sixth generation iPod Touch.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 4:45 PM
To: VIPhone 'RobH. ' via 
Subject: Signing up for the Apple Beta

Now that we are so close to the release of iOS 10, I decided to take a flyer on 
the beta using my iPad too. I should say my iPad mini two, since I don't know 
that the iPad 2 is even eligible for this beta, and in any case, I don't have 
an iPad too. So I would like to hear from someone off the list who might be 
able to shed light on the following. I went to the beta site and went to sign 
up with my Apple ID. I very carefully entered my Apple ID and very carefully 
entered my password. I was told either my ID or password was incorrect. I have 
repeated this process twice more being extremely careful each time. And each 
time the result is the same. I have had and used this Apple ID ever since I got 
my first device years ago. And I have never had a problem with it, nor have I 
changed the password. The many hundreds of dollars worth of stuff I bought from 
the various stores attest to the fact 

Re: Signing up for the Apple Beta

[Mary Otten]

Thanks so much, Kimber. I was using the button next to the password field. I 
didn't even realize there was one next to the keyboard, except for the usual 
one that sometimes his search or other times says go. I didn't even look. Will 
do that now.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2016, at 9:26 AM, Kimberly  wrote:
> 
> I was having a similar problem to yours when I was trying to sign up for the 
> beta. Make sure you are not tapping the button immediately below the password 
> field but instead tap the button that appears next to the keyboard. Try that 
> and see if it works better.
> 
> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 11:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> Are you doing this from the device that you want to register? Unfortunately 
>> there isn't much I can tell  you other than that it has to be done from the 
>> device you want to register, you go to beta.apple.com and follow the links 
>> and steps required. Are you using a Bluetooth keyboard or do you use the 
>> on-screen keyboard, make sure if you use a Bluetooth keyboard that you don't 
>> have caps lock on when you enter your password. I know these is basic advice 
>> which as an experienced user you probably know and have checked, but unless 
>> there was some sort of issue with the Apple servers this is all I can think 
>> of.
>> You are correct, by the way, the iPad 2 is not going to get iOS 10 any more 
>> and as far as I know of all Lightning devices the iPod Touch fifth gen for 
>> some reason also will not  be compatible any more, the only iPod that can 
>> run iOS 10 is the sixth generation iPod Touch.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 4:45 PM
>> To: VIPhone 'RobH. ' via 
>> Subject: Signing up for the Apple Beta
>> 
>> Now that we are so close to the release of iOS 10, I decided to take a flyer 
>> on the beta using my iPad too. I should say my iPad mini two, since I don't 
>> know that the iPad 2 is even eligible for this beta, and in any case, I 
>> don't have an iPad too. So I would like to hear from someone off the list 
>> who might be able to shed light on the following. I went to the beta site 
>> and went to sign up with my Apple ID. I very carefully entered my Apple ID 
>> and very carefully entered my password. I was told either my ID or password 
>> was incorrect. I have repeated this process twice more being extremely 
>> careful each time. And each time the result is the same. I have had and used 
>> this Apple ID ever since I got my first device years ago. And I have never 
>> had a problem with it, nor have I changed the password. The many hundreds of 
>> dollars worth of stuff I bought from the various stores attest to the fact 
>> that I have had no problem entering my password upon request. Smile. I don't 
>> think I am missing a step, that is something I would have to do before 
>> trying to sign up for the beta with my ID. I didn't see anything on the 
>> first page of the beta site. So can someone who has done this please 
>> enlighten me as to what I may be doing wrong.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Signing up for the Apple Beta

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Mary,

You are correct, KNFB Reader still does not work on the latest Beta which is 
developer beta 7 and public beta 6. There never have been this many betas, Rob 
from Today in iOS Podcast thinks that this current version is the last Beta 
before the Goldmaster which usually comes out the week of the keynote and which 
also usually is the first public release. Sometimes if a serious bug is 
discovered in the Goldmaster there is another update before the public release. 
I have a feeling that Apple may actually release another beta next week, but 
who knows. Anyhow, it would appear that the KNFB Reader issue is something that 
needs to be addressed with an app update of the KNFB Reader app and I would 
hope that KNFB will release this update before or around the time of the public 
release of iOS 10.
Microsoft has just acknowledge officially for the first time that there are 
issues with the Outlook app and iOS 10, currently you can't set up an Office 
365 account or sign in with an Outlook.com account which has two-step 
verification enabled. They told me this privately in an email weeks ago and 
with the last Outlook update said in the What's New that they are aware of this 
and are working on a fix. This would make me think that they are going to 
release a fix before the public release and I look forward to this because one 
thing that works much better in Outlook now is being able to review text by 
character and word in the message body. This was not working previously and was 
basically the major dealbreaker why I wouldn't use Outlook as my major mail 
client. If this continues to work Outlook may very well be a very good 
alternative to the iOS native Mail app.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 9:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Signing up for the Apple Beta

Hi Sieghard,
I was using the on-screen keyboard, and I was careful about capitalizing the 
parts of my password that need to be capitalized and not capitalizing the rest. 
And yes, I was trying to register for the beta on my iPad mini two. I expect 
this will be the last upgrade for the mini too. I don't know why it's getting 
it and iPod touch five isn't. But such are the breaks I guess. I was going to 
try it on my 6S, and then I chickened out, not knowing if K NFB would work, as 
I heard it didn't early on and still doesn't on the recently released android 
nougat

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> Are you doing this from the device that you want to register? Unfortunately 
> there isn't much I can tell  you other than that it has to be done from the 
> device you want to register, you go to beta.apple.com and follow the links 
> and steps required. Are you using a Bluetooth keyboard or do you use the 
> on-screen keyboard, make sure if you use a Bluetooth keyboard that you don't 
> have caps lock on when you enter your password. I know these is basic advice 
> which as an experienced user you probably know and have checked, but unless 
> there was some sort of issue with the Apple servers this is all I can think 
> of.
> You are correct, by the way, the iPad 2 is not going to get iOS 10 any more 
> and as far as I know of all Lightning devices the iPod Touch fifth gen for 
> some reason also will not  be compatible any more, the only iPod that can run 
> iOS 10 is the sixth generation iPod Touch.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 4:45 PM
> To: VIPhone 'RobH. ' via 
> Subject: Signing up for the Apple Beta
> 
> Now that we are so close to the release of iOS 10, I decided to take a flyer 
> on the beta using my iPad too. I should say my iPad mini two, since I don't 
> know that the iPad 2 is even eligible for this beta, and in any case, I don't 
> have an iPad too. So I would like to hear from someone off the list who might 
> be able to shed light on the following. I went to the beta site and went to 
> sign up with my Apple ID. I very carefully entered my Apple ID and very 
> carefully entered my password. I was told either my ID or password was 
> incorrect. I have repeated this process twice more being extremely careful 
> each time. And each time the result is the same. I have had and used this 
> Apple ID ever since I got my first device years ago. And I have never had a 
> problem with it, nor have I changed the password. The many hundreds of 
> dollars worth of stuff I bought from the various stores attest to the fact 
> that I have had no problem entering my password upon request. Smile. I don't 
> think I am missing a step, that is something I would have to do before trying 
> to sign up for the beta with my ID. I didn't 

Re: Signing up for the Apple Beta

[Kimberly]

I was having a similar problem to yours when I was trying to sign up for the 
beta. Make sure you are not tapping the button immediately below the password 
field but instead tap the button that appears next to the keyboard. Try that 
and see if it works better.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2016, at 11:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> Are you doing this from the device that you want to register? Unfortunately 
> there isn't much I can tell  you other than that it has to be done from the 
> device you want to register, you go to beta.apple.com and follow the links 
> and steps required. Are you using a Bluetooth keyboard or do you use the 
> on-screen keyboard, make sure if you use a Bluetooth keyboard that you don't 
> have caps lock on when you enter your password. I know these is basic advice 
> which as an experienced user you probably know and have checked, but unless 
> there was some sort of issue with the Apple servers this is all I can think 
> of.
> You are correct, by the way, the iPad 2 is not going to get iOS 10 any more 
> and as far as I know of all Lightning devices the iPod Touch fifth gen for 
> some reason also will not  be compatible any more, the only iPod that can run 
> iOS 10 is the sixth generation iPod Touch.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 4:45 PM
> To: VIPhone 'RobH. ' via 
> Subject: Signing up for the Apple Beta
> 
> Now that we are so close to the release of iOS 10, I decided to take a flyer 
> on the beta using my iPad too. I should say my iPad mini two, since I don't 
> know that the iPad 2 is even eligible for this beta, and in any case, I don't 
> have an iPad too. So I would like to hear from someone off the list who might 
> be able to shed light on the following. I went to the beta site and went to 
> sign up with my Apple ID. I very carefully entered my Apple ID and very 
> carefully entered my password. I was told either my ID or password was 
> incorrect. I have repeated this process twice more being extremely careful 
> each time. And each time the result is the same. I have had and used this 
> Apple ID ever since I got my first device years ago. And I have never had a 
> problem with it, nor have I changed the password. The many hundreds of 
> dollars worth of stuff I bought from the various stores attest to the fact 
> that I have had no problem entering my password upon request. Smile. I don't 
> think I am missing a step, that is something I would have to do before trying 
> to sign up for the beta with my ID. I didn't see anything on the first page 
> of the beta site. So can someone who has done this please enlighten me as to 
> what I may be doing wrong.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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Re: Signing up for the Apple Beta

[Mary Otten]

Hi Sieghard,
I was using the on-screen keyboard, and I was careful about capitalizing the 
parts of my password that need to be capitalized and not capitalizing the rest. 
And yes, I was trying to register for the beta on my iPad mini two. I expect 
this will be the last upgrade for the mini too. I don't know why it's getting 
it and iPod touch five isn't. But such are the breaks I guess. I was going to 
try it on my 6S, and then I chickened out, not knowing if K NFB would work, as 
I heard it didn't early on and still doesn't on the recently released android 
nougat

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> Are you doing this from the device that you want to register? Unfortunately 
> there isn't much I can tell  you other than that it has to be done from the 
> device you want to register, you go to beta.apple.com and follow the links 
> and steps required. Are you using a Bluetooth keyboard or do you use the 
> on-screen keyboard, make sure if you use a Bluetooth keyboard that you don't 
> have caps lock on when you enter your password. I know these is basic advice 
> which as an experienced user you probably know and have checked, but unless 
> there was some sort of issue with the Apple servers this is all I can think 
> of.
> You are correct, by the way, the iPad 2 is not going to get iOS 10 any more 
> and as far as I know of all Lightning devices the iPod Touch fifth gen for 
> some reason also will not  be compatible any more, the only iPod that can run 
> iOS 10 is the sixth generation iPod Touch.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 4:45 PM
> To: VIPhone 'RobH. ' via 
> Subject: Signing up for the Apple Beta
> 
> Now that we are so close to the release of iOS 10, I decided to take a flyer 
> on the beta using my iPad too. I should say my iPad mini two, since I don't 
> know that the iPad 2 is even eligible for this beta, and in any case, I don't 
> have an iPad too. So I would like to hear from someone off the list who might 
> be able to shed light on the following. I went to the beta site and went to 
> sign up with my Apple ID. I very carefully entered my Apple ID and very 
> carefully entered my password. I was told either my ID or password was 
> incorrect. I have repeated this process twice more being extremely careful 
> each time. And each time the result is the same. I have had and used this 
> Apple ID ever since I got my first device years ago. And I have never had a 
> problem with it, nor have I changed the password. The many hundreds of 
> dollars worth of stuff I bought from the various stores attest to the fact 
> that I have had no problem entering my password upon request. Smile. I don't 
> think I am missing a step, that is something I would have to do before trying 
> to sign up for the beta with my ID. I didn't see anything on the first page 
> of the beta site. So can someone who has done this please enlighten me as to 
> what I may be doing wrong.
> Mary
> 
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RE: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Exactly, the majority of users will not have a mobile phone for 4 let alone 5 
years. Those who do and for whom the phone still works for the most part 
couldn't care less if they are getting another year or two out of their phone 
being on the older version of the software.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 11:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

Is this really Apple's rule? I couldn't find anything on line with a quick web 
search. I remember everyone was surprised when Apple continued to support the 
4S with IOS 9, which would have been four years and not five, if the 4S would 
have stopped at IOS 8.

Whether it's a rule or not, and whether it's four or five years, Apple's 
support for older hardware is truly outstanding in the mobile space.

I would agree that if you're worried about whether you get an IOS upgrade or 
the SE in 2020 then you should wait to see what the fall brings. As Sieghard 
says though, the SE will still work on the last version of IOS it supports even 
if you can't move up to the next version. Also, how many people hold on to 
their smart phones that long in the first place? I've seen us 4S users on this 
list get responses that we should just upgrade, even when asking questions that 
have nothing to do with the 4S and it's hardware.

On 27/08/16 08:37, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> Knowing that this is Apple's rule at this point it doesn't mean this will 
> change. Also, if somebody who couldn't care less about the latest features 
> had an iPhone 4S which still worked well for what they are doing they can 
> still use it for years to come with iOS 9.3.5. Of course the reality is that 
> a device that is 5 or 6 or even 7 years old will most likely need a new 
> battery and why pay for that if you could get whatever iPhone is free on 
> contract. The exception here would be somebody who maybe is happy to use the 
> iPhone 4S with a prepaid service or with a low-cost MVNO. My Mom has an iPad 
> 2 from 2011 which also will not get iOS 10 this year. She already asked me if 
> she could still use it and I said that of course she can since while it is a 
> bit slow compared to new devices, it is still going strong.
>
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 2:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
>
> Missing from this discussion is that Apple stops providing upgrade ability to 
> iPhones after five years.  The SE is based on 2015 technology and likely 
> cannot accept the new iOS in 2020.  The iPhone 7 will likely not be able to 
> receive a new iOS in 2021, based on past Apple practice.  For example, the 4s 
> will not be able to accept iOS 10 that will be out later this year.
>
> Kelly
>
> On 8/26/16, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> I just wonder what Apple's long term plans are. Are they going to 
>> eventually sync the SE up with the rest of the IOS products or are 
>> they going to continue to have multiple hardware releases in the year?
>> I can see where a spring release might take some of the thunder away 
>> from the other smart phone manufacturers who line their product 
>> releases up with the show in Barcelona, but I also know that 
>> operating system development is more complicated when you have to support 
>> different hardware schedules.
>>
>> On 26/08/16 22:12, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>>> Some people may be mad, but as Christopher said, it's up to 
>>> everybody to do their research. There will also be a lot of users 
>>> who are not super technical users who couldn't care less if a new 
>>> smaller form factor phone were released. They may hear about it in a 
>>> news article from a major news outlet, but the fact is that a large 
>>> majority of people are users who do not necessarily follow each Apple Event.
>>> Anyhow, when it comes down to it Apple couldn't care less if they 
>>> made 10% of their user base mad, after all, they did this with the 
>>> iPad a few years ago. Also, for whatever it's worth, I don't think 
>>> they are going to release a new 4 inch phone in September, at this 
>>> point there would be many more rumours and some of which from 
>>> sources who in the past have been very credible and there are no such 
>>> rumours.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:04 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE
>>>
>>> Well, Apple did not release the iPhone SE when it released its other 
>>> phones last fall. 

RE: Where is the "send" button?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Jewell and Deidre,

Just as a small correction, it is actually not "the third line". Yes, you have 
to swipe twice from the Cancel button to get to Send, but visually Cancel, the 
email subject and Send are all on the same line.

When you have composed an email in the Mail app or are replying to one, the 
Send button is more or less at the top right corner. Cancel is at the top left 
and in the middle is a heading which when you compose a new message says "New 
Message" at first, as soon as you typed a subject it will say whatever it is 
you typed as the subject or whatever the subject is of the email you are 
replying to.
I say the send button is "more or less" at the top right corner because just a 
tiny bit above it and all the way across the device from left to right is a 
button that is announced as "Minimize Draft". If you started a message and want 
to finish it later, you can double tap it and it will save the message as a 
draft and go back to the main mailbox you were in.
So, visually you have your status bar at the top with the time, battery level 
on the right and so on.
Underneath and all the way across is the "Minimize Draft" button. If you were 
to touch the time and slowly drag your finger down along the right side of the 
phone you would find it, but you would also find it if you touch the time in 
the middle and drag down or if you touch the carrier logo/signal strength on 
the left and drag down as it goes all the way across.
Underneath that on the next line is "Cancel" at the left", "New Message or 
Message Subject" in the middle and "Send" on the right.
If you touch the time and drag down past Minimize Draft you next get to Send.
If you want to swipe and are, for example, on Cancel, then you can swipe left 
once to get to the Minimize Draft button, you can swipe right twice to get to 
Send.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Deidre Muccio
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 12:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Where is the "send" button?

Also, you can swipe backwards and it's just before the to field in which you 
have put the name of the person or their email the one that you're sending the 
email to. Period.

Deidre


> On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Jewel  wrote:
> 
> I know where it used to be, but I have just created a gmail account 
> for my 5S iPhone, and I cannot find "send" anywhere.  I am sure that 
> it must be lurking in some corner, but just where that corner might be is 
> eluding me.
> 
>  Jewel
> 
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RE: Can not enter pass code on iPhone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If you have an Apple Store near it maybe worthwhile for you to make a Genious 
Bar appointment and see if they can help you with this.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Vicki Ratcliffe
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 4:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Can not enter pass code on iPhone


 Perhaps someone can write to me off list at vicki.ratcli...@gmail.com to 
give suggestions.

 Yesterday I had my iPhone 5 on and when taking Amtrak home charged the 
phone.  When starting to charge it, I noticed that there was not any speech and 
I tried to enter the pass code when the screen reader finally worked.  When 
plugging the phone in to the mac today, it said “iphone disabled” and even last 
night after the speech came on, I could not enter a code.

 The phone is backed up to iTunes but iTunes does not connect to it using 
the mac since I can not enter the pass code.  Calling Apple, I learned that I 
would have to erase the phone and then restore it through iTunes.

 Will voiceover work using recovery mode or what is the best way to erase 
and restore the phone.  I have not forgotten the code at all but now do not 
have use of a phone.

 Thanks for any input that you can provide.

Vicki Ratcliffe

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RE: Signing up for the Apple Beta

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Mary,

Are you doing this from the device that you want to register? Unfortunately 
there isn't much I can tell  you other than that it has to be done from the 
device you want to register, you go to beta.apple.com and follow the links and 
steps required. Are you using a Bluetooth keyboard or do you use the on-screen 
keyboard, make sure if you use a Bluetooth keyboard that you don't have caps 
lock on when you enter your password. I know these is basic advice which as an 
experienced user you probably know and have checked, but unless there was some 
sort of issue with the Apple servers this is all I can think of.
You are correct, by the way, the iPad 2 is not going to get iOS 10 any more and 
as far as I know of all Lightning devices the iPod Touch fifth gen for some 
reason also will not  be compatible any more, the only iPod that can run iOS 10 
is the sixth generation iPod Touch.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 4:45 PM
To: VIPhone 'RobH. ' via 
Subject: Signing up for the Apple Beta

Now that we are so close to the release of iOS 10, I decided to take a flyer on 
the beta using my iPad too. I should say my iPad mini two, since I don't know 
that the iPad 2 is even eligible for this beta, and in any case, I don't have 
an iPad too. So I would like to hear from someone off the list who might be 
able to shed light on the following. I went to the beta site and went to sign 
up with my Apple ID. I very carefully entered my Apple ID and very carefully 
entered my password. I was told either my ID or password was incorrect. I have 
repeated this process twice more being extremely careful each time. And each 
time the result is the same. I have had and used this Apple ID ever since I got 
my first device years ago. And I have never had a problem with it, nor have I 
changed the password. The many hundreds of dollars worth of stuff I bought from 
the various stores attest to the fact that I have had no problem entering my 
password upon request. Smile. I don't think I am missing a step, that is 
something I would have to do before trying to sign up for the beta with my ID. 
I didn't see anything on the first page of the beta site. So can someone who 
has done this please enlighten me as to what I may be doing wrong.
Mary


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RE: Outlook.com

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Nothing I noticed.

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Terri Stimmel
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 3:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Outlook.com

Hello everybody,

I was wondering if anyone who uses outlook, is having any issues today? For 
some reason, my phone won't alert me of messages, unless I open the app.
Also, I have Windows 7 on my laptop, and are you Thunderbird. It's not updating 
either, unless I ask it to.
Then everyone's in a while, if I am going through the mail on my laptop, I did 
the strange message. I know I can't remember it word from word. But it said 
something like, Thunderbird has had an error, and Dennis says something about 
somebody your messages that you requested might have been lost.
But I don't think I have lost anything. Although it is difficult to know, 
because I don't know all the mail that has come through my list today.

Anyway, I just wondered if anyone else is having a problem? If so, is this 
likely and outlook is you. I would assume so, since I am having a problem and 
you different places

Any help with this would be very much appreciated. I hope it is just an outlook 
issue that will resolve itself. Or there is something I can do to fix it. I 
like my Outlook account. Our use it most of the time, even though I still have 
my Gmail account is back up. But most everything has been switched out look.

Terri
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RE: Grubhub ap

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Marie,

Have you listened to the latest Today in iOS Podcast? I noticed you followed my 
suggestion and sent a message to Rob which he read on the last episode and he 
is calling out Grub Hub to fix their app. When he said it was from "Marie L" I 
assume it is you. Well done, let's see if Grub Hub responds in any way, the 
Today in iOS podcast does have a pretty large following.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Marie Lyons
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 12:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Grubhub ap

Thanks for the work around. Did you use the home key triple tap?

Marie Lyons
> On Aug 26, 2016, at 11:16 PM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:
> 
> I tried the update that was released a few days ago: over four restaurants I 
> consistently found that when I wanted to choose a beverage, the app would 
> crash, and I would lose the order I had put together before the beverage.  
> Someone suggested that I get someone cited to use my phone with voiceover off 
> and see if the app still crashed:  it turned out that I figured out that I 
> could hold my finger on the 20 ounce soda, turn voiceover off with the other 
> hand, tap the soda, turn voiceover on, and then be able to choose what I 
> wanted without incident . I put a review in the App Store, and DM to GrubHub 
> on Twitter to let them know this, saying that if I could choose an entrée, 
> appetizer, etc., that I should be able to interact with VoiceOver in the same 
> way to choose a Drink. 
> r
> 
>> On Aug 22, 2016, at 8:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Have all of you who care about this app and who aren't receiving feedback 
>> contacted Grub Hub on their toll free phone number? It was easy to find on 
>> their website and I wonder whether they'll start to take notice if they get 
>> a few dozen calls each day from frustrated users, maybe demand that their 
>> customer service reads you off a bunch of meal choices and restaurant 
>> options, ask for supervisors/managers and in general be a nuisance.
>> If anybody wants to try, their customer service number is 1-877-585-1085.
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
>> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 1:57 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Grubhub ap
>> 
>> Mark is correct that apps themselves are not required by the law to be 
>> accessible.  The legal theory being advanced is that Grub Hub is a prepared 
>> food delivery service to the public and not merely a technology.  As a food 
>> delivery service, it cannot exclude customers because it does not want or 
>> care to serve them.  Grub Hub could offer another means of providing the 
>> content of the app and conducting a prepared food delivery transaction. The 
>> other options, such as 24 hour customer service, would be much more 
>> expensive than spending a few days of coding to make the app VoiceOver 
>> accessible.
>> 
>> Kelly
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8/22/16, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> And what happens if the judge does dismiss it? Then I guess whoever 
>>> filed the claim is on the hook for the legal fees unless you find a 
>>> lawyer who will do it pro bono for the potential publicity.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
>>> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 11:47 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Grubhub ap
>>> 
>>> Some have interpreted the effective communications provision of the 
>>> Americans with Disabilities Act to apply to online services.  Courts 
>>> have refused to dismiss accessibility cases involving Uber and Net 
>>> Flicks believing that plaintiffs had a likelihood in showing that the ADA 
>>> applied.
>>> Both companies decided to settle after these rulings rather than 
>>> taking the issue to trial and an appeal for a definitive decision.  
>>> In the United States Sieghard, plaintiffs who prevail in civil 
>>> rights cases, including ADA cases, can have their attorney fees paid 
>>> by the discriminating party when the aggrieved party prevails.
>>> This is how vice-Presidential candidate Tim Kaine got paid at his 
>>> civil rights law firm as a lawyer.  The firm was paid when they won 
>>> in court or the other party settled.  Now his net worth is estimated 
>>> at
>>> $1.4 million.
>>> 
>>> Kelly
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 8/22/16, M. Taylor  wrote:
 You are absolutely correct, my friend.  There is no such law in the 
 United States.
 
 Mark
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
 Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 9:35 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: 

RE: multtiple topics: apple tv, netflicks, hulu, etc.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Richard and David,

First of all, the fourth generation Apple TV also supports Bluetooth keyboards. 
It did not when it was first released, but a later TVOS updated added Bluetooth 
keyboard support.
Once the TVOS 10 update is released in a few weeks there is also single sign-in 
although I am not sure how this works if, for example, you use different 
passwords for let’s say Netflix, Youtube and Hulu.
The Apple TV Fourth Generation is available with 32 Gb internal storage for 
$199 US and with 64 Gb for $249. This storage is for downloading apps and so 
on, you cannot record shows with the fourth generation Apple TV nor could you 
with previous versions.
As Richard already said, apps like Netflix, Hulu, Youtube and so on are all 
free. I would imagine that pretty much all apps which require a subscription 
would offer the app for free. Keep in mind that at this point many apps you can 
get on the Apple TV require a cable subscription to work and do not offer a 
stand-along subscription via the Apple TV. I believe this is the case with 
Disney.
I am pretty sure you can watch and get a subscription for the mlb network via 
the Apple TV.
I think for anybody who watches a fair bit of TV the Apple TV may not yet be a 
satisfactory replacement although I really like ours and think it’s a 
worthwhile item to have for anybody who is involved in the Apple ecosystem and 
especially if you want a beautifully accessible platform for Netflix, Youtube 
and so on.
. There have been rumours that apple is negotiating with major content 
providers so they can offer an A La Card TV service where you can pay for 
channels you want without being forced to subscribe to channel bundles which 
may include stuff you never watch. However, it does not look like Apple is even 
close to reaching agreements with these content providers and one theory I 
heard is that Apple thinks they are top dog and approach these negotiations 
with a fair bit of ssuperiority and self-importance thinking these major 
content providers which are huge companies also are going to fall to their 
knees thanking Apple for what they want to do and offer them killer deals. 
Apparently this is not so and the two sides are still miles apart from reaching 
an agreement as to how this would work.


Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 12:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: multtiple topics: apple tv, netflicks, hulu, etc.

In short, not all, or even most, shows on the major networks are available on 
Netflix.
Sometimes you wait a year or more before a TV series shows up on Netflix.
All the ones you mentioned, Netflix, Hulu, and MLB, are subscriptions. The apps 
are free, but only useful with a paid subscription.
If you get the Apple TV, you will be able to use the VoiceOver feature to enter 
your login information for the various subscriptions.
With the 3rd Generation Apple TV, you could also sync a Bluetooth keyboard, 
which made account info entry much easier.
That's what I think I know.
HTH,
Richard


“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya


(Sent from my iPod 6)

On Aug 27, 2016, at 12:09 PM, david gross 
> wrote:
I have numerous naive questions.

We purchased a wi fi ready tv.

We have never used that feature as of yet.

My wife who is low vision records a lot on the dvr.

We have verizon fios.

We are ttold by year's end there will be taling menus. I'll believe it whenn it 
happens.

So I am intterested in apple tv. What is the cost for the current version?

I understand tthat apple tv let's you use netflicks, huulu, etc.

Are the cost off these apps in addition to the base apple price, or included in 
the base price?

I would like to"cut the cord" next summer with fios when my contract ends and 
use apple tv and or apps.

I am not clear as to the types of programs available on netflicks, hulu, etc. 
If these apps include the regular 4 major network programms, what is the delay 
or lag time to access the shows after their orifinal network broadcast?

My wife recorded big brother the other night. It was interupted by weather 
bulletins, so the next day on her phone she watched it on the cbs app for free. 
Why would someone pay for netflicks or huluu if programs are free on network 
apps?


and I am a big mlb fan and we do not have the mlb network on fios. I understand 
it is available with apple tv. Would that be a add on cost.


thank ou for any assistance with any or all of this.

David Gross


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RE: Any rumors heard whether Apple will be providing bluetooth ear buds with iPhone 7?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Keith,

The rumours I heard I think all point towards Apple shipping new iPhones with a 
Lightning to 3.5mm adapter and while there is a lot of talk about Apple 
Bluetooth Earbuds, it is my guess that these would be of considerable quality 
and hence they would most likely be something Apple would offer as an add-on. 
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in for free and miss out on selling millions of them at a great profit.

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HI,

Just curious if anyone has heard rumors whther Apple will be providing 
Bluetooth ear buds with iPhone 7, if they do in fact remove the headphone jack, 
which sounds as if that is being done.

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RE: Looking for a list for beta testers who also use VO

[Richard Turner]

I just sent a message to the link provided and got a response very quickly to 
either reply to the message or to go to a link to confirm my interest, after 
which the moderator has to approve the subscription.
I first tried the link, it asked to enter the Email address and then had a 
visual captcha with no audio alternative.  Typical Google approach to things.
So, I opted to just reply to the Email.  Time will tell.

Richard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Shawn Krasniuk
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 8:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for a list for beta testers who also use VO

Hi. Matt Dierckens runs a google group called Apple Beta Discussion. You can 
subscribe to it by sending a blank email to 
apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
 Also the same guy has a Roger group version of that list. If you have Roger 
and you'd like to be a part of that group, email me privately with your handle 
on Roger and I'll ask him if it's cool that you become a member.

Shawn
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On Aug 27, 2016, at 8:15 PM, Donna 
> wrote:

There is a beta list on Google. Don't know the subscribe address though.

Donna

There is a list currently operating.
A friend of mine has been waiting over a month to be subscribed.
I've written to the owner suggesting that I could set up a list if he is too 
busy but have heard nothing and that was weeks ago.

On 28/08/16 07:52, rajmund wrote:
Hi, I know 2 lists, on of them is his, but I really don't know whether I am 
allowed to give subscription addresses or not.

Sent from my iPhone 5S

On 27 Aug 2016, at 7:20 pm, Christopher Chaltain 
> wrote:
I think Jonathan Mosen has such a list, but I'm not on it, and I couldn't find 
anything with a quick web search. Maybe knowing this will help you find it.

On 27/08/16 08:53, afik sofir wrote:


Kimberley,
If you'll get answer, please let me know.
My e-mail address is:
afik.so...@gmail.com 


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RE: input on free conf services phone app

[Richard Turner]

Hi,
Those free conferencing apps are both made by the same company and from the 
descriptions look like two versions of the same thing.
FCC HD was last updated in November of 2015 and FCC Dialer was updated May of 
2016, and includes the privacy policy link in the app store details.

I suspect the FCC HD provides some of the privacy info but it looks like you 
have to go find it to read it in its entirety.

FCC Dialer does state that your personal information may be shared with 
countries whose privacy laws could be  less restrictive than the one you live 
in.  Since you are not including credit card information that may not bother 
you.

I personally have no need for conference calling, but I’m always curious about 
different services in case clients ask about them.

I have no opinion pro or con with this kind of service, I just encourage people 
to always read the details of the privacy statement.

HTH,
Richard


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Subject: Re: input on free conf services phone app

I have two apps that support creation of new “Free Conference Calling HD” 
accounts.  Furthermore, they both provide for inviting participants via text 
messaging with the telephone number and participant code included within that 
text message.  They are both products of “Free Conference Calling HD” and I 
have both for reasons that are not germain in this thread.  The apps are:

1) FCC HD
2) FCC Dialer

I advise that you install both of them (they are free) and decide for yourself 
which you prefer - I personally have a definite preference but I’ll keep quiet 
about that so you can make up your mind without undue influence!

Now, a word about “Free Conference Calling HD;” this will allow more than a 
single moderator to call in at the same time.  I believe this is a significant 
benefit because of conference muting, conference locking and the possibility of 
a dropped call - that could very well be the moderator line.

Also, if you have any problems with these apps, feel free to contact me for 
help!

DISCLAIMER: I have absolutely no financial stake in Free Conference Calling HD, 
their services or software.  I’m merely trying to be helpful and share some 
knowledge!

- Bill & Leader Dog Holland
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On Aug 27, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Ann Chiappetta 
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Hi all,
Looking for an accessible free  or low cost conference call app so I can create 
a phone number for our non profit organization to use as an information line. 
Please email  me here or at anniecm...@gmail.com
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Re: input on free conf services phone app

[Bill Gallik]

I have two apps that support creation of new “Free Conference Calling HD” 
accounts.  Furthermore, they both provide for inviting participants via text 
messaging with the telephone number and participant code included within that 
text message.  They are both products of “Free Conference Calling HD” and I 
have both for reasons that are not germain in this thread.  The apps are:

1) FCC HD
2) FCC Dialer

I advise that you install both of them (they are free) and decide for yourself 
which you prefer - I personally have a definite preference but I’ll keep quiet 
about that so you can make up your mind without undue influence!

Now, a word about “Free Conference Calling HD;” this will allow more than a 
single moderator to call in at the same time.  I believe this is a significant 
benefit because of conference muting, conference locking and the possibility of 
a dropped call - that could very well be the moderator line.

Also, if you have any problems with these apps, feel free to contact me for 
help!

DISCLAIMER: I have absolutely no financial stake in Free Conference Calling HD, 
their services or software.  I’m merely trying to be helpful and share some 
knowledge!

- Bill & Leader Dog Holland
- "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure 
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> On Aug 27, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Ann Chiappetta  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Looking for an accessible free  or low cost conference call app so I can 
> create a phone number for our non profit organization to use as an 
> information line. Please email  me here or at anniecm...@gmail.com 
> 
> Annie C.
> Dice me: anniebird64
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Thinking of ditching cable what alternatives are there?

[Hope Paulos]

Hi all. Im thinking of cutting the cord. What alternatibes are there besides 
netflix and hulu that are accessible?

Hope Paulos

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need iPhone app works well with scale

[Larry McCreary]

Hello, Is there a scale that works with a particular iPhone app or if someone 
can recommend a good talking scale that would be nice.  Thanks very much for 
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Re: "Location tracking on" is back again

[Donna]

Now that I have explored what Jan suggested, I have to agree with her. If you 
go to settings, privacy, location services, swipe down to system services & tap 
to open. Here you will find system services that use your location. Turn off 
those services that you don't trackingg your every move. Here you also have the 
option to not have the system service icon displayed in the status bar. 

I have app background refresh on. I have switched on the system service icon 
then turned background refresh off & the icon still remains in the status bar. 
So in my opinion, background refresh has nothing to do with your problem. 

Donna 
> 
> Hi
>  
> This might be one of the settings under system settings within location 
> services.  There are things like cellular services wanting to use location 
> services, wifi wanting to use this, traffic routing wanting to use it.  Might 
> it have been one of those?
>  
> Jan Kleinhans
> - Original Message -
> From: Donna
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 12:24 AM
> Subject: Re: "Location tracking on" is back again
> 
> If you go to settings, privacy, location services you can turn off any of 
> your apps that you don't to use your location. 
> 
> Donna
> 
>> No. Turning off location services means no apps ever get location 
>> information. That is not the way to go if you have GPS apps for instants or 
>> other applications, maybe a local news application or whatever, that need 
>> your location. Even the weather app needs your location. This was something 
>> probably under privacy.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 2:47 PM, rajmund  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, turn off location services?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 5S
>>> 
 On 27 Aug 2016, at 5:16 pm, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Some months ago, I reported that I was having a problem with location 
 tracking being on when it should not  be. That is, I wasn't using nor did 
 I have running any app that had permission to use location services. Mark 
 helpful he suggested some setting that I needed to change, which seemed to 
 solve the problem. The problem is back with a vengeance. And I can't 
 remember what the setting was. Can anyone refresh my memory?
 Mary
 
 
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Re: E-Mail Client

[Gordan Radić]

  
  
Hi!
I believe we misunderstood somewhere along the way xD.
I know about threaded view, it is available since iOS 5 or
  something but this is a threaded view for message list and it can
  be turned on or off.
iOS 10 is bringing several messages grouping in the single
  conversation as seen in Gmail app which I really don't want and,
  according to Tamas Geczy's article on CBT site it can't be turned
  off.
Here's the quotation on it:


 A new threaded view for messages places all of the conversation
  as though it were one long message. This adds a new rotor option:
  Message. When it is selected, swiping down with VoiceOver will
  move you to the next message in the mail document. You can turn
  off threading, but not the behavior, or having them be organized
  in one giant e-mail message rather than individual ones in a
  conversation list within the subject. This might change, as
  sometimes in-line message replies are not detected by the app — so
  you have to scroll through older messages with greater than signs.
  In other cases, a button allows you to expand the older messages.
  In my experience, this is hit or miss, though with Gmail it
  recognized that the quoted thread messages should be hidden most
  of the time



  S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić
  

  

  

  

  
  

  
  

  

  


  


  

  

  

27.8.2016. u 15:08, Richard Turner je
  napisao/la:


  
  
  
  I believe you will be able to turn
off the conversation threading in iOS 10.
  
  
  Richard
  

(Sent from my iPhone 5S)
  
  
On Aug 27, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Gordan Radić 
wrote:

  
  

  Hi!
  There's an article on the Cool Blind Tech website about
what's new in incoming iOS 10. Amongst other things, it says
message view in Mail app is not separated by message as it
was till now. Now it is more like conversation view similar
to text and iMessages and there is a new option in rotor
called "message" which will enable you to switch between
messages in conversation.
  I'm not sure will I like this or not, I like clean separate
messages and that's why I don't use Gmail app. I don't even
like threads and I'm using it only for some mail groups I'm
subscribed to.
  
  
  
S poštovanjem
  Gordan
  Radić

  

  
  

  


  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  

  
  27.8.2016. u 0:46, 
  englishride...@gmail.com je napisao/la:
  
  
What do you mean, there's going to be a large
  turnaround the mail app's interface in iOS 10?




Thanks,
Ari

  On Aug 26, 2016, at 1:44 PM, Gordan Radić 
  wrote:
  


  
Hi!
@Sieghard; I was mentioning iOS meaning iPhone, iPod
  Touch or iPad, it would probably work on all iOS
  devices.
@Mary; I like the stock app very much but there's
  gonna be a large turnaround in iOS 10 with its
  interface so I'm looking for alternatives. I used
  Aquamail on some Android devices and I like its
  options, features and tones of settings for fine
  tuning its operativity.
I agree Android approach to navigating and editing is
  harder to handle than iOS but as you correctly said,
  it doesn't have to do anything with the app itself.
  Regarding dictation, I'm getting far better results
  with Google Speech Input or whatever is it called in
  English than Siri Dictation, atleast for my native
  language.
I can manage multiple messages on both apps in pretty
  similar way so I don't know did you played with
  Aquamail settins?

@Carol; glad you 

Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE

[Gordan Radić]

  
  
Hi!
I have to object on this one.
I bought my old 4S back in 2012. when it was last years model.
I used it untill october 2015. with no problems at all. When I
  got my new device I did some tests with old 4S and along others, I
  fully charged it, disabled WiFi and Bluetooth and removed the SIM
  card from it. I just locked the phone and it was on stand by for
  the next 8 days meaning the battery in it was significantly strong
  at the time beeing.
Today my old 4S is borrowed to one of my friends and he is using
  it on a daily basis, talking, texting, hanging on Facebook and
  following some sites rather more than I did and the battery is
  holding about day and a half.
If this continues in this mannor I asume this phone will last
  atleast next two years with iOS 9.3.5 or some possible update in
  9.x.
Of course, working with it is not as nice and ellegant as working
  with 6S but for someone who just needs calling, texting and alarm
  clock is far better solution than some cheap Android POC or
  spending significant ammount of money for some new iOS device. I
  have to remind you not all countries have free iPhones on
  operators contract and here in EU we're paying about $100 more for
  the same models because of EU WWATT and shipping or whatever.




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27.8.2016. u 20:00, Christopher
  Chaltain je napisao/la:

Is this really Apple's rule? I couldn't find anything
  on line with a quick web search. I remember everyone was surprised
  when Apple continued to support the 4S with IOS 9, which would
  have been four years and not five, if the 4S would have stopped at
  IOS 8.
  
  
  Whether it's a rule or not, and whether it's four or five years,
  Apple's support for older hardware is truly outstanding in the
  mobile space.
  
  
  I would agree that if you're worried about whether you get an IOS
  upgrade or the SE in 2020 then you should wait to see what the
  fall brings. As Sieghard says though, the SE will still work on
  the last version of IOS it supports even if you can't move up to
  the next version. Also, how many people hold on to their smart
  phones that long in the first place? I've seen us 4S users on this
  list get responses that we should just upgrade, even when asking
  questions that have nothing to do with the 4S and it's hardware.
  
  
  On 27/08/16 08:37, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
  
  Knowing that this is Apple's rule at this
point it doesn't mean this will change. Also, if somebody who
couldn't care less about the latest features had an iPhone 4S
which still worked well for what they are doing they can still
use it for years to come with iOS 9.3.5. Of course the reality
is that a device that is 5 or 6 or even 7 years old will most
likely need a new battery and why pay for that if you could get
whatever iPhone is free on contract. The exception here would be
somebody who maybe is happy to use the iPhone 4S with a prepaid
service or with a low-cost MVNO. My Mom has an iPad 2 from 2011
which also will not get iOS 10 this year. She already asked me
if she could still use it and I said that of course she can
since while it is a bit slow compared to new devices, it is
still going strong.



Regards,

Sieghard



-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce

Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 2:51 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting
SE


Missing from this discussion is that Apple stops providing
upgrade ability to iPhones after five years.  The SE is based on
2015 technology and likely cannot accept the new iOS in 2020. 
The iPhone 7 will likely not be able to receive a new iOS in
2021, based on past Apple practice.  For example, the 4s will
not be able to accept iOS 10 that will be out later this year.


Kelly


On 8/26/16, Christopher Chaltain 
wrote:

I just wonder what Apple's long term
  plans are. Are they going to
  
  eventually sync the SE up 

Re: Where is the "send" button?

[Deidre Muccio]

Also, you can swipe backwards and it's just before the to field in which you 
have put the name of the person or their email the one that you're sending the 
email to. Period.

Deidre


> On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Jewel  wrote:
> 
> I know where it used to be, but I have just created a gmail account for my 5S 
> iPhone, and I cannot 
> find "send" anywhere.  I am sure that it must be lurking in some corner, but 
> just where that corner 
> might be is eluding me.
> 
>  Jewel
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Re: Where is the "send" button?

[Deidre Muccio]

It is at the top of the email. First comes the name of the emailcancel anyway 
it's the third line down after your while you're swiping from the top of your 
email that you've just written or reply to

Deidre


> On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Jewel  wrote:
> 
> I know where it used to be, but I have just created a gmail account for my 5S 
> iPhone, and I cannot 
> find "send" anywhere.  I am sure that it must be lurking in some corner, but 
> just where that corner 
> might be is eluding me.
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Re: "Location tracking on" is back again

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

eSpecially things like facebook, Twitter, and a few others like it where you 
don't want to give such info away.
- Original Message - 
From: "Donna" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: "Location tracking on" is back again


If you go to settings, privacy, location services you can turn off any of your 
apps that you don't to use your location.

Donna
>
> No. Turning off location services means no apps ever get location 
> information. That is not the way to go if you have GPS apps for 
> instants or other applications, maybe a local news application or whatever, 
> that need your location. Even the weather app needs 
> your location. This was something probably under privacy.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 2:47 PM, rajmund  wrote:
>>
>> Hi, turn off location services?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 5S
>>
>>> On 27 Aug 2016, at 5:16 pm, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>
>>> Some months ago, I reported that I was having a problem with location 
>>> tracking being on when it should not  be. That is, I 
>>> wasn't using nor did I have running any app that had permission to use 
>>> location services. Mark helpful he suggested some setting 
>>> that I needed to change, which seemed to solve the problem. The problem is 
>>> back with a vengeance. And I can't remember what the 
>>> setting was. Can anyone refresh my memory?
>>> Mary
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Where is the "send" button?

[Jewel]

I know where it used to be, but I have just created a gmail account for my 5S 
iPhone, and I cannot 
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just where that corner 
might be is eluding me.

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