date:20171217

Ah well, today's apparently not my day... I just saw that you replied a short 
while ago.
Please disregard the below message.

-Original Message-
From: Cristóbal [mailto:crismuno...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 9:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

Just a heads-up. I did reply to your off-list email,but after it was bounced 
back to two of my gmail accounts, I tried via my business exchange account and 
while I didn’t' get a bounce back, I don’t' know if you actually got it as I 
never heard back. 
Thought I'd mention this in case you were perhaps under the impression that I 
didn't follow up with you and blew you off. 
I wonder why all the sudden I'm having difficulty with this as it hadn't been 
the case before. In any event, I suppose that's a topic for another list.
Thanks,

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 9:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

Hello All, 

I contacted Chris, off-list, as he requested.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

I have never had any issues reaching Mark at the email listed in the message 
footers.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

Grr. Never mind, I thought you said that you had also gotten a bounce back 
message. 

From: Cristóbal [mailto:crismuno...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

This is the problem I’ve been having. In fact, he did write me off-list, in 
response to this inquiry, but again, replying to that message gave me the same 
bounce back email. I tried from another gmail account, so we’ll see if that 
goes through. If not, I guess I can try an exchange account next.
At least I now know it isn’t just me. 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

I wrote him earlier today wihout any bounce back.  I’ve not heard back, but I 
don’t expect so as I was simply alerting him to a situation.
This is the address I used:
mk...@ucla.edu

HTH,
Richard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 11:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

Hello,
I am trying to reach Mark the moderator off-list, but keep on getting bounce 
back mail delivery emails.
Hopefully if he sees this, he can email me at:crismuno...@gmail.com Thank you,
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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

2017-12-17 Thread Mohib Anwar Rafay

Choosing handwriting mode wont read printed text, it doesn't make any
sence specially when we are reading some kind of forms where few
entries have been filled in handwriting. For example, , whether
written name is persons name or his father's name, is not clear .

On 12/18/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi Andy,
>
> Quite a few people have reported very good results, why propose it’s not
> working before you try it?
> I’m sure it depends a great deal on the person’s handwriting, but apparently
> if the handwriting is relatively normal it does a great job. One thing that
> is mentioned when you switch to that channel for the first time is that the
> writing has to be right side up, I assume those who get no results at all
> might have it upside down or sideways, but there aren’t that many
> possibilities so one just has to keep rotating the paper if it doesn’t work
> at first.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Dave
> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 10:54 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>
> no, it works.
>
> Dave.
>
> From: Andy Baracco
> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 2:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>
> I shouldn't speak about this without trying it, but with all of the
> variables involved in handwriting, I can't imagine being able to trust this
> capability. It seems like a kind of parlar game, but i hope that I'm wrong.
>
> Andy
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:22 AM
> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>
> You know you have to have the writing right side up.
> Richard
>
>
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> -- Jane Wagner
>
>
> On Dec 16, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Dave
> > wrote:
> Hi rebecca,
>
> Just tried my seeing AI, with a christmas card, and the hand writing
> channel, and it did really well.
>
> I don’t use a stand, just held the phone, about 12 inches or so above the
> card.
>
> Dave.
>
> From: Rebecca Ilniski
> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 6:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>
> I attempted to read a Christmas card and couldn’t get it to read for me.  I
> used the scan stand so that I could make sure I put the camera and document
> straight also.  I did have it on the handwriting channel.
> Rebecca and guide dog Zeb
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RE: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

Just a heads-up. I did reply to your off-list email,but after it was bounced 
back to two of my gmail accounts, I tried via my business exchange account and 
while I didn’t' get a bounce back, I don’t' know if you actually got it as I 
never heard back. 
Thought I'd mention this in case you were perhaps under the impression that I 
didn't follow up with you and blew you off. 
I wonder why all the sudden I'm having difficulty with this as it hadn't been 
the case before. In any event, I suppose that's a topic for another list.
Thanks,

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 9:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

Hello All, 

I contacted Chris, off-list, as he requested.

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

I have never had any issues reaching Mark at the email listed in the message 
footers.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

Grr. Never mind, I thought you said that you had also gotten a bounce back 
message. 

From: Cristóbal [mailto:crismuno...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

This is the problem I’ve been having. In fact, he did write me off-list, in 
response to this inquiry, but again, replying to that message gave me the same 
bounce back email. I tried from another gmail account, so we’ll see if that 
goes through. If not, I guess I can try an exchange account next.
At least I now know it isn’t just me. 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

I wrote him earlier today wihout any bounce back.  I’ve not heard back, but I 
don’t expect so as I was simply alerting him to a situation.
This is the address I used:
mk...@ucla.edu

HTH,
Richard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 11:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

Hello,
I am trying to reach Mark the moderator off-list, but keep on getting bounce 
back mail delivery emails.
Hopefully if he sees this, he can email me at:crismuno...@gmail.com Thank you,
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RE: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

2017-12-17 Thread M. Taylor

Hello All, 

I contacted Chris, off-list, as he requested.

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

I have never had any issues reaching Mark at the email listed in the message 
footers.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

Grr. Never mind, I thought you said that you had also gotten a bounce back 
message. 

From: Cristóbal [mailto:crismuno...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

This is the problem I’ve been having. In fact, he did write me off-list, in 
response to this inquiry, but again, replying to that message gave me the same 
bounce back email. I tried from another gmail account, so we’ll see if that 
goes through. If not, I guess I can try an exchange account next.
At least I now know it isn’t just me. 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

I wrote him earlier today wihout any bounce back.  I’ve not heard back, but I 
don’t expect so as I was simply alerting him to a situation.
This is the address I used:
mk...@ucla.edu

HTH,
Richard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 11:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

Hello,
I am trying to reach Mark the moderator off-list, but keep on getting bounce 
back mail delivery emails.
Hopefully if he sees this, he can email me at:crismuno...@gmail.com
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RE: Problem with Alarm App since IOS11 Update

Hi Dani,

I had this app a long time ago, but while it has a bit more flexibility with 
recurring reminders and all that I found I don't need it any more. Anyhow, I 
just redownloaded it to check it out and you are correct, the picker items 
don't seem to change if you flick up or down, but you can double tap and hold, 
then drag and change them.
After I figured this out I deleted the app again, then I thought of something 
else so I redownloaded it again and realized my assumption was correct.
The problem is simply that when you touch any of the picker items (date, hour, 
minutes and AM/PM the action rotor has focus. Turn the rotor to the left and 
you will here "Adjust Value", now flick and it works as it should.
It does seem that the action rotor easily gains focus and you may have to turn 
the rotor left to Adjust Velue a few times, but this definitely will let you 
flick to adjust.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dani Pagador
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 2:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Problem with Alarm App since IOS11 Update

My bad. The app has an "ed" at the end of it ... should've been
written: Alarmed.

I found a feedback form through Google, so am hoping for a reply.

I tried adding a new timer with my Braille display, and wasn't successful.

I also went to the Calendar app which uses the same type of picker, and was 
able to use the picker option there to add a new event.

Gonna borrow D.H.'s eyes later to see what I could be doing wrong.

More Later,
Dani



On 12/17/17, Dani Pagador  wrote:
> The Alarm app is made by Yoctoville. I use it to be able to set 
> multiple timers--laundry, crock pot, oven, housewifely multitasking 
> stuff.
>
> I rebootted the phone and still have the same issue. Will go see if 
> there is contact info. I see from looking at the support page that 
> this shouldn't be an issue, but my phone can be goofy, just to keep 
> its mommy on her toes.
>
> More Later,
> Dani, also forgetful today because of caffeine deprevation
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/17/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> OK, I'm really forgetful today, one other thig you should do is make 
>> sure your screen is clean, if it is not taps and swipes sometimes 
>> don't register.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Dani Pagador
>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:32 PM
>> To: iPhone for visually impaired 
>> Subject: Problem with Alarm App since IOS11 Update
>>
>> Hi, Everyone.
>> I updated to IOS11.2 last weekend. I am having trouble now setting up 
>> a new alarm in the Alarm app. I cannot set the time for the alarm--I 
>> can go to the various picker items, but cannot do the finger swipe 
>> up/down to set the hours, minutes, and seconds.
>>
>> Has anyone else had this problem? If so, how did you resolve it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dani
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Re: New notetaker for $399?

2017-12-17 Thread Kliphton Miller

think your refering to the brailleMe, the  device being used to celebrate 200 
years of braille.  The device will only be able to connect to android at 1st, 
but IOS support will be coming by spring.

> On Dec 17, 2017, at 10:52 PM, Ann Byrne  wrote:
> 
> I read probably on this list about a new notetaker coming in January for $399 
> that would communicate with a phone via blue tooth?  Can someone please tell 
> me what it is and where to find it?
> 
> Thanks
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Re: New notetaker for $399?

2017-12-17 Thread Andy Baracco

Perhaps you are thinking of the Orbit Reader. It is basically a 20 cell 
Braille display with some basic note taking capability.

Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Ann Byrne" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 7:52 PM
Subject: New notetaker for $399?

I read probably on this list about a new notetaker coming in January for 
$399 that would communicate with a phone via blue tooth?  Can someone 
please tell me what it is and where to find it?

Thanks

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New notetaker for $399?

2017-12-17 Thread Ann Byrne

I read probably on this list about a new notetaker coming in January 
for $399 that would communicate with a phone via blue tooth?  Can 
someone please tell me what it is and where to find it?


Thanks

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RE: Quite upset with the app Sero

2017-12-17 Thread Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.

This link takes you to a site that describes charges for much more than just 
the Sero app, from which you can subscribe for just $5.99 month, if I remember 
correctly. The higher charges listed at this site are for additional services 
you may or may not want. Keith

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joe Orozco
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 5:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Quite upset with the app Sero

You can read more about the app and integrated services here:

http://www.serotek.com/sero

On 12/17/17, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> What is this app and, what does it do?
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone 8+!!!
>
>> On Dec 17, 2017, at 6:14 PM, Joe Orozco  wrote:
>>
>> Give Rhonda a call: 612-246-4818. She should help get you straightened
>> out. I'm sorry you're having issues with your subscription. I'd be
>> frustrated as well and want to make sure you're back and running.--Joe
>>
>>> On 12/17/17, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
>>> wrote:
>>> I had that happen once, too. When I contacted their 800 support number
>>> buried somewhere in the app, it turns out I had 2 usernames, or
>>> something
>>> like that. This, from a previous trial I had forgotten about. After that
>>> was
>>> fixed, it’s worked pretty well for me, as far as described content goes,
>>> which is about all I use it for.
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Dana Leet
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 9:50 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Quite upset with the app Sero
>>>
>>> I am quite upset with the app Sero. I say this, because I actually
>>> started
>>> paying the six dollars or 599 that they charge for a monthly
>>> subscription
>>> last month. I went in there today to see if there were any new movies
>>> that I
>>> wanted to watch, and was told my free trial was over. I find this
>>> extremely
>>> interesting, when in fact I am paying a monthly subscription. Really
>>> weird
>>> is it not?
>>> If you love to read
>>>
>>> ‎Open this link to join my WhatsApp Group:
>>> https://chat.whatsapp.com/KXAR5Ao2tqiERKfgrEWiT6
>>>
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Re: Quite upset with the app Sero

2017-12-17 Thread Joe Orozco

You can read more about the app and integrated services here:

http://www.serotek.com/sero

On 12/17/17, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> What is this app and, what does it do?
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone 8+!!!
>
>> On Dec 17, 2017, at 6:14 PM, Joe Orozco  wrote:
>>
>> Give Rhonda a call: 612-246-4818. She should help get you straightened
>> out. I'm sorry you're having issues with your subscription. I'd be
>> frustrated as well and want to make sure you're back and running.--Joe
>>
>>> On 12/17/17, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
>>> wrote:
>>> I had that happen once, too. When I contacted their 800 support number
>>> buried somewhere in the app, it turns out I had 2 usernames, or
>>> something
>>> like that. This, from a previous trial I had forgotten about. After that
>>> was
>>> fixed, it’s worked pretty well for me, as far as described content goes,
>>> which is about all I use it for.
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Dana Leet
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 9:50 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Quite upset with the app Sero
>>>
>>> I am quite upset with the app Sero. I say this, because I actually
>>> started
>>> paying the six dollars or 599 that they charge for a monthly
>>> subscription
>>> last month. I went in there today to see if there were any new movies
>>> that I
>>> wanted to watch, and was told my free trial was over. I find this
>>> extremely
>>> interesting, when in fact I am paying a monthly subscription. Really
>>> weird
>>> is it not?
>>> If you love to read
>>>
>>> ‎Open this link to join my WhatsApp Group:
>>> https://chat.whatsapp.com/KXAR5Ao2tqiERKfgrEWiT6
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Quite upset with the app Sero

2017-12-17 Thread Anthony Vece

What is this app and, what does it do?



Sent from my Verizon iPhone 8+!!!

> On Dec 17, 2017, at 6:14 PM, Joe Orozco  wrote:
> 
> Give Rhonda a call: 612-246-4818. She should help get you straightened
> out. I'm sorry you're having issues with your subscription. I'd be
> frustrated as well and want to make sure you're back and running.--Joe
> 
>> On 12/17/17, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.  wrote:
>> I had that happen once, too. When I contacted their 800 support number
>> buried somewhere in the app, it turns out I had 2 usernames, or something
>> like that. This, from a previous trial I had forgotten about. After that was
>> fixed, it’s worked pretty well for me, as far as described content goes,
>> which is about all I use it for.
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Dana Leet
>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 9:50 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Quite upset with the app Sero
>> 
>> I am quite upset with the app Sero. I say this, because I actually started
>> paying the six dollars or 599 that they charge for a monthly subscription
>> last month. I went in there today to see if there were any new movies that I
>> wanted to watch, and was told my free trial was over. I find this extremely
>> interesting, when in fact I am paying a monthly subscription. Really weird
>> is it not?
>> If you love to read
>> 
>> ‎Open this link to join my WhatsApp Group:
>> https://chat.whatsapp.com/KXAR5Ao2tqiERKfgrEWiT6
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Quite upset with the app Sero

2017-12-17 Thread Joe Orozco

Give Rhonda a call: 612-246-4818. She should help get you straightened
out. I'm sorry you're having issues with your subscription. I'd be
frustrated as well and want to make sure you're back and running.--Joe

On 12/17/17, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.  wrote:
> I had that happen once, too. When I contacted their 800 support number
> buried somewhere in the app, it turns out I had 2 usernames, or something
> like that. This, from a previous trial I had forgotten about. After that was
> fixed, it’s worked pretty well for me, as far as described content goes,
> which is about all I use it for.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Dana Leet
> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 9:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Quite upset with the app Sero
>
>  I am quite upset with the app Sero. I say this, because I actually started
> paying the six dollars or 599 that they charge for a monthly subscription
> last month. I went in there today to see if there were any new movies that I
> wanted to watch, and was told my free trial was over. I find this extremely
> interesting, when in fact I am paying a monthly subscription. Really weird
> is it not?
>  If you love to read
>
> ‎Open this link to join my WhatsApp Group:
> https://chat.whatsapp.com/KXAR5Ao2tqiERKfgrEWiT6
>
>
>
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Re: Problem with Alarm App since IOS11 Update

2017-12-17 Thread Dani Pagador

My bad. The app has an "ed" at the end of it ... should've been
written: Alarmed.

I found a feedback form through Google, so am hoping for a reply.

I tried adding a new timer with my Braille display, and wasn't successful.

I also went to the Calendar app which uses the same type of picker,
and was able to use the picker option there to add a new event.

Gonna borrow D.H.'s eyes later to see what I could be doing wrong.

More Later,
Dani



On 12/17/17, Dani Pagador  wrote:
> The Alarm app is made by Yoctoville. I use it to be able to set
> multiple timers--laundry, crock pot, oven, housewifely multitasking
> stuff.
>
> I rebootted the phone and still have the same issue. Will go see if
> there is contact info. I see from looking at the support page that
> this shouldn't be an issue, but my phone can be goofy, just to keep
> its mommy on her toes.
>
> More Later,
> Dani, also forgetful today because of caffeine deprevation
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/17/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> OK, I'm really forgetful today, one other thig you should do is make sure
>> your screen is clean, if it is not taps and swipes sometimes don't
>> register.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Dani Pagador
>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:32 PM
>> To: iPhone for visually impaired 
>> Subject: Problem with Alarm App since IOS11 Update
>>
>> Hi, Everyone.
>> I updated to IOS11.2 last weekend. I am having trouble now setting up a
>> new
>> alarm in the Alarm app. I cannot set the time for the alarm--I can go to
>> the
>> various picker items, but cannot do the finger swipe up/down to set the
>> hours, minutes, and seconds.
>>
>> Has anyone else had this problem? If so, how did you resolve it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dani
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Re: Problem with Alarm App since IOS11 Update

2017-12-17 Thread Dani Pagador

The Alarm app is made by Yoctoville. I use it to be able to set
multiple timers--laundry, crock pot, oven, housewifely multitasking
stuff.

I rebootted the phone and still have the same issue. Will go see if
there is contact info. I see from looking at the support page that
this shouldn't be an issue, but my phone can be goofy, just to keep
its mommy on her toes.

More Later,
Dani, also forgetful today because of caffeine deprevation





On 12/17/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> OK, I'm really forgetful today, one other thig you should do is make sure
> your screen is clean, if it is not taps and swipes sometimes don't
> register.
>
>
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> Of Dani Pagador
> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:32 PM
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> Subject: Problem with Alarm App since IOS11 Update
>
> Hi, Everyone.
> I updated to IOS11.2 last weekend. I am having trouble now setting up a new
> alarm in the Alarm app. I cannot set the time for the alarm--I can go to the
> various picker items, but cannot do the finger swipe up/down to set the
> hours, minutes, and seconds.
>
> Has anyone else had this problem? If so, how did you resolve it?
>
> Thanks,
> Dani
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RE: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

Hi Andy,

Quite a few people have reported very good results, why propose it’s not 
working before you try it?
I’m sure it depends a great deal on the person’s handwriting, but apparently if 
the handwriting is relatively normal it does a great job. One thing that is 
mentioned when you switch to that channel for the first time is that the 
writing has to be right side up, I assume those who get no results at all might 
have it upside down or sideways, but there aren’t that many possibilities so 
one just has to keep rotating the paper if it doesn’t work at first.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dave
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 10:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

no, it works.

Dave.

From: Andy Baracco
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 2:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

I shouldn't speak about this without trying it, but with all of the variables 
involved in handwriting, I can't imagine being able to trust this capability. 
It seems like a kind of parlar game, but i hope that I'm wrong.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

You know you have to have the writing right side up.
Richard


"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
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On Dec 16, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Dave 
> wrote:
Hi rebecca,

Just tried my seeing AI, with a christmas card, and the hand writing channel, 
and it did really well.

I don’t use a stand, just held the phone, about 12 inches or so above the card.

Dave.

From: Rebecca Ilniski
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

I attempted to read a Christmas card and couldn’t get it to read for me.  I 
used the scan stand so that I could make sure I put the camera and document 
straight also.  I did have it on the handwriting channel.
Rebecca and guide dog Zeb
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RE: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

I tried with another gmail account and got the same marked as spam bounce back 
email. 

I finally attempted my Microsoft exchange business account and that seems to 
have gone through. 

Who knows.

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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

 

I have never had any issues reaching Mark at the email listed in the message 
footers.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

 

Grr. Never mind, I thought you said that you had also gotten a bounce back 
message. 

 

From: Cristóbal [mailto:crismuno...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

 

This is the problem I’ve been having. In fact, he did write me off-list, in 
response to this inquiry, but again, replying to that message gave me the same 
bounce back email. I tried from another gmail account, so we’ll see if that 
goes through. If not, I guess I can try an exchange account next.

At least I now know it isn’t just me. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

 

I wrote him earlier today wihout any bounce back.  I’ve not heard back, but I 
don’t expect so as I was simply alerting him to a situation.

This is the address I used:

mk...@ucla.edu  

 

HTH,

Richard

 

 

 

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Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 11:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
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Hello,

I am trying to reach Mark the moderator off-list, but keep on getting bounce 
back mail delivery emails.

Hopefully if he sees this, he can email me at:crismuno...@gmail.com

Thank you,

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RE: messenger less accessible

Do you mean the home tab? I just used Messenger to send several messages and 
read some and did not notice any problems.

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Davy Cuppens
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: messenger less accessible

Hi Folks

Who can confirm this behaviour? The start tab in which your messages are shown 
is nolonger accessible in the messenger app with the latest update.
Regards
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RE: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

I have never had any issues reaching Mark at the email listed in the message 
footers.

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Cristóbal
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Grr. Never mind, I thought you said that you had also gotten a bounce back 
message.

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Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

This is the problem I’ve been having. In fact, he did write me off-list, in 
response to this inquiry, but again, replying to that message gave me the same 
bounce back email. I tried from another gmail account, so we’ll see if that 
goes through. If not, I guess I can try an exchange account next.
At least I now know it isn’t just me.

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
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I wrote him earlier today wihout any bounce back.  I’ve not heard back, but I 
don’t expect so as I was simply alerting him to a situation.
This is the address I used:
mk...@ucla.edu

HTH,
Richard

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RE: Problem with Alarm App since IOS11 Update

OK, I'm really forgetful today, one other thig you should do is make sure your 
screen is clean, if it is not taps and swipes sometimes don't register.

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Dani Pagador
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:32 PM
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Subject: Problem with Alarm App since IOS11 Update

Hi, Everyone.
I updated to IOS11.2 last weekend. I am having trouble now setting up a new 
alarm in the Alarm app. I cannot set the time for the alarm--I can go to the 
various picker items, but cannot do the finger swipe up/down to set the hours, 
minutes, and seconds.

Has anyone else had this problem? If so, how did you resolve it?

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RE: Problem with Alarm App since IOS11 Update

Sorry, forgot, but why not tell SIRI to set your alarm? I know this should work 
if you do it manually and I'm sure maybe after a reboot it will, but I rarely 
ever open the Clock app for that purpose since setting an alarm is something 
SIRI happens to do extremely well.
You can ask SIRI "What alarms do I have" and she will read them out.
If there is one you want, e.g. maybe you have a 6 AM and a 7 AM then say "Turn 
on my 7 AM alarm".
You can also say "Change my 6 AM alarm to 6:30 AM"
You can say "Delete my 6 AM alarm" or you can say "Delete all alarms".

Regards,
Sieghard

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Dani Pagador
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:32 PM
To: iPhone for visually impaired 
Subject: Problem with Alarm App since IOS11 Update

Hi, Everyone.
I updated to IOS11.2 last weekend. I am having trouble now setting up a new 
alarm in the Alarm app. I cannot set the time for the alarm--I can go to the 
various picker items, but cannot do the finger swipe up/down to set the hours, 
minutes, and seconds.

Has anyone else had this problem? If so, how did you resolve it?

Thanks,
Dani

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JLabs Audio headphones.

2017-12-17 Thread Apple Nerd

Hi all, 
I received some JLabs over the ear headphones. In the set up I have to download 
their app. how accessible is the app? 

Sent from my iPod

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RE: Problem with Alarm App since IOS11 Update

I have no issues with this, works as always. Have you rebooted your phone since 
the update? If not or even if you did, just close all apps and turn the phone 
off, wait 30 seconds and turn it back on, then try again.
This is certainly not a bug I have heard or read about at any point since iOS 
11 came out in September.


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Dani Pagador
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:32 PM
To: iPhone for visually impaired 
Subject: Problem with Alarm App since IOS11 Update

Hi, Everyone.
I updated to IOS11.2 last weekend. I am having trouble now setting up a new 
alarm in the Alarm app. I cannot set the time for the alarm--I can go to the 
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minutes, and seconds.

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Thanks,
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Problem with Alarm App since IOS11 Update

2017-12-17 Thread Dani Pagador

Hi, Everyone.
I updated to IOS11.2 last weekend. I am having trouble now setting up
a new alarm in the Alarm app. I cannot set the time for the alarm--I
can go to the various picker items, but cannot do the finger swipe
up/down to set the hours, minutes, and seconds.

Has anyone else had this problem? If so, how did you resolve it?

Thanks,
Dani

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RE: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

Grr. Never mind, I thought you said that you had also gotten a bounce back 
message. 

From: Cristóbal [mailto:crismuno...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

This is the problem I’ve been having. In fact, he did write me off-list, in 
response to this inquiry, but again, replying to that message gave me the same 
bounce back email. I tried from another gmail account, so we’ll see if that 
goes through. If not, I guess I can try an exchange account next.

At least I now know it isn’t just me. 

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I wrote him earlier today wihout any bounce back.  I’ve not heard back, but I 
don’t expect so as I was simply alerting him to a situation.

This is the address I used:

mk...@ucla.edu  

HTH,

Richard

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Hello,

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At least I now know it isn’t just me. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

 

I wrote him earlier today wihout any bounce back.  I’ve not heard back, but I 
don’t expect so as I was simply alerting him to a situation.

This is the address I used:

mk...@ucla.edu  

 

HTH,

Richard

 

 

 

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Hello,

I am trying to reach Mark the moderator off-list, but keep on getting bounce 
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Hopefully if he sees this, he can email me at:crismuno...@gmail.com

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This is the address I used:
mk...@ucla.edu

HTH,
Richard



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My recommendation for a Twitter client for iOS and macOS

2017-12-17 Thread christopher hallsworth

Hi M Taylor and all
I am hearing reports that you are having trouble activating links using the 
latest official client from Twitter on your iOS device. Well I have a personal 
recommendation. Try the paid app Twitterrific which seems to be very popular 
amongst not only the blind community but also the sighted from what I am 
reading on Twitter using that exact client. The reason I put "macOS" in the 
subject is Twitterrific as of recently is also available on that platform and 
is just as accessible as the iOS counterpart.
Happy tweeting!

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Trying to reach moderator Mark off-list

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RE: iphone, audio description, movies

2017-12-17 Thread Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.

I've run into those things, too. What I do now, is I call the theatre before I 
go, ask if the movie is audio described, because not all movies are, and tell 
them I'm coming and will they make sure it's working for me. When I get there, 
I ask to talk to the manager on duty, introduce myself as the person who 
called, and confirm that it is working. Usually, they tell me that Yes it is, 
because I've checked it myself. Of course, this is no guarantee that it will 
work, but if you also asked for the headsets to have new batteries before you 
start, I bet they'd agree. It may still peter out, but then it's time to get a 
refund and be annoyed. Kind of a hassle, and I don't go to the theatres much 
any more, but when I have and done these things, it's worked out pretty well. 
Keith

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Andy Baracco
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This is an example of something that works better in theory than in practice. I 
live in an area that supposedly has several theatres that are equipped with the 
audio description technology, but in practice the equipment is not well 
maintained and the theatre employees, who are often teen agers, are either not 
trained on the use of the equipment, or simply forget about it because there 
are so few requests for it. in my experience, more often than not, the system 
may not be turned on for the film you want to view, or the headsets may have 
dead batteries, or some other issue, or they may give you the headset for 
amplification rather than the one for description. This often requires multiple 
trips back to the customer service desk after the movie has started. There is 
often nothing that can be done once the movie has started, so you end up 
without description. If the theatre management is on its game, they may offer 
you a refund or a pass for future use, but that doesn't compensate you for the 
time and expense it may have taken to get to and from the theatre, only to end 
up with an undesirable experience. There have been multiple legal settlements 
between AMC Theatres and organizations of the blind, but in large part, these 
issues still exist.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: "Kelly Pierce" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: iphone, audio description, movies

> Gianni,
>
> Are you in the United States?  If so, the big movie theater chains
> have all of the screens in their theaters equipped with the technology
> for audio description. At the theaters in my area, they will be happy
> to provide a headset and receiver.
>
> Kelly
>
>
>
> On 12/15/17, mi...@eastlink.ca  wrote:
>> hi the app is cald acctiveview the new starwars is not on the app yet
>> though. hth. from Mich.
>>
>> From: Gianni
>> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 9:45 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: iphone, audio description, movies
>>
>> Hi,
>> I would like to go the movies, the new star wars is cool. But is there an
>> app on the iphone that provides audio description?
>>
>>
>>
>> Gianni
>>
>>
>> Skype: giannijuve
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RE: Quite upset with the app Sero

2017-12-17 Thread Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.

I had that happen once, too. When I contacted their 800 support number buried 
somewhere in the app, it turns out I had 2 usernames, or something like that. 
This, from a previous trial I had forgotten about. After that was fixed, it’s 
worked pretty well for me, as far as described content goes, which is about all 
I use it for.

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Subject: Quite upset with the app Sero

 I am quite upset with the app Sero. I say this, because I actually started 
paying the six dollars or 599 that they charge for a monthly subscription last 
month. I went in there today to see if there were any new movies that I wanted 
to watch, and was told my free trial was over. I find this extremely 
interesting, when in fact I am paying a monthly subscription. Really weird is 
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Re: Quite upset with the app Sero

2017-12-17 Thread Matthew Bullis

I canceled after I opened the app one day and it didn't log in. It promptly 
deleted all the content I had downloaded, and I had no record of what I had 
downloaded. Also I know they put up material that's on Netflix, which is a 
violation. I declared myself done, even though they do have some things which 
are not available elsewhere.
Matthew


On Dec 16, 2017, at 1:37 AM, Julie Dawson  wrote:

I also found out that many of the weather stations do not function nor do the 
jazz radio stations. I did listen to the movie Apt Pupil successfully though.
Live  simply,
  Love generously,
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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

I did not understand your message at all!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2017, at 10:40 AM, Dave  wrote:
> 
> well i wonder that front camera is not the thing with what you are can do can 
> do and work and display that could be the prublum, and the stand might be 
> standing on the thing that can do with myself.
>  
> From: Simon Wong
> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 3:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>  
> Last time I tried that, I didn’t get no prompt no message telling me to hold 
> the phone to set away you know this so I wonder if it would help if I had a 
> stand.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2017, at 9:25 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> when you’re in the document channel just hold the phone quite hi above your 
>> target text and you should be given information about what edges can be 
>> seen. once all the edges can be seen, the picture will be taken, you will be 
>> advised to hold still. so, you don’t have to select or  double tap it is 
>> automatic.
>>  
>> hope this helps, Sandy
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>> 
>>> On 17 Dec 2017, at 13:58, Simon Wong  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Where is this automatically take picture setting.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 17, 2017, at 8:50 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
  wrote:
 
 hello Richard,
 Thanks for the advice, are used your automatic take picture instead of 
 double tapping and I got a result! meanwhile, using the handwriting 
 channel, I took a quick snap of the shopping list that Hugh and I have 
 been working on. he, obviously, didn’t anticipate my sudden access to  his 
 written word, so he was a little embarrassed when my phone read me some of 
 the rude remarks he made in the margins of the list! this, for me, is a 
 game changer. Notes and memos can be left on those yellow sticky things 
 and we will be able to read them! I have always wanted to read those 
 things. I love reading my Christmas card signatures. never thought I’d 
 here myself say this, but well done Microsoft!
 Sandy
  
 sent from the dark side of the moon
 
> On 16 Dec 2017, at 15:20, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  
> Hi Sandy,
> What I've found is that you have to hold the phone higher from the 
> document than with other OCR apps. It is about 18 inches for me. And you 
> have to hold steady when it says to hold steady and it will automatically 
> take the picture.
> And, yes, the handwriting recognition is amazing!
> HTH,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2017, at 6:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> hi,
>> Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even when in 
>> Irish, my Christmas cards from my neighbours and friends. this is really 
>> good! now, just one thing, I have never yet managed to get a document 
>> recognised. short document mode is fine, but the full one way you take 
>> picture always fails. it fails because it cuts out because it is taking 
>> too long. I imagine, this is because of my Internet connection. but if I 
>> take a picture of a scene, it comes back very quickly with the 
>> description which is quite accurate. so, might the problem lay 
>> elsewhere? after all, it recognises and interpret handwriting, which has 
>> to be sent off to the cloud to be processed, so, why not documents? any 
>> ideas?
>> Very happy, Sandy
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>> 
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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

2017-12-17 Thread Dave

you can stand for as long as you wish, it still won’t work.

Merry christmas.

From: Simon Wong 
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 3:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

I cannot keep my hands at a certain position for a very long time. I am going 
to try a stand.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:

  Simon, 
  I do not find most of the stands work with Seeing AI, they are not quite tall 
enough.
  The trick is to keep the phone level, with the camera pointing toward the 
middle of the page, about 18 inches above the page.
  One method that might help you for practice is to take a standard 8.5 inch 
wide and 11 inch long sheet document and fold it in half the long way, then 
unfold it and fold it in half the short way, then unfold it and flatten it on 
the table.
  Now, the folds will create an intersection in the middle of the page.
  Find that spot where the two folds meet in the center, and place the phone's 
camera right on it.
  Then, launch Seeing AI and use both hands to lift the phone straight up 
slowly, keeping it level.
  If you are sitting in a chair with the document on the table, the phone will 
be about even with your face when it is at the right height. This of course may 
vary some depending how tall you are, but at some point, you will hear "Hold 
Steady" and stop moving at that point and it will take the picture.
  It shouldn't take more than about 6 to 10 seconds to raise the phone to the 
right height.
  Once you get used to the height, etc, you won't need to use that method any 
more.
  HTH,
  Richard

  "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
-- Jane Wagner

  On Dec 17, 2017, at 7:06 AM, Simon Wong  wrote:

Last time I tried that, I didn’t get no prompt no message telling me to 
hold the phone to set away you know this so I wonder if it would help if I had 
a stand.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 9:25 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

  when you’re in the document channel just hold the phone quite hi above 
your target text and you should be given information about what edges can be 
seen. once all the edges can be seen, the picture will be taken, you will be 
advised to hold still. so, you don’t have to select or  double tap it is 
automatic. 

  hope this helps, Sandy

  sent from the dark side of the moon

  On 17 Dec 2017, at 13:58, Simon Wong  wrote:

Where is this automatically take picture setting.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 8:50 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

  hello Richard,
  Thanks for the advice, are used your automatic take picture instead 
of double tapping and I got a result! meanwhile, using the handwriting channel, 
I took a quick snap of the shopping list that Hugh and I have been working on. 
he, obviously, didn’t anticipate my sudden access to  his written word, so he 
was a little embarrassed when my phone read me some of the rude remarks he made 
in the margins of the list! this, for me, is a game changer. Notes and memos 
can be left on those yellow sticky things and we will be able to read them! I 
have always wanted to read those things. I love reading my Christmas card 
signatures. never thought I’d here myself say this, but well done Microsoft!
  Sandy

  sent from the dark side of the moon

  On 16 Dec 2017, at 15:20, Richard Turner 
 wrote:

Hi Sandy, 
What I've found is that you have to hold the phone higher from the 
document than with other OCR apps. It is about 18 inches for me. And you have 
to hold steady when it says to hold steady and it will automatically take the 
picture.
And, yes, the handwriting recognition is amazing!
HTH,
Richard

(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Dec 16, 2017, at 6:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

  hi,
  Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even 
when in Irish, my Christmas cards from my neighbours and friends. this is 
really good! now, just one thing, I have never yet managed to get a document 
recognised. short document mode is fine, but the full one way you take picture 
always fails. it fails because it cuts out because it is taking too long. I 
imagine, this is because of my Internet connection. but if I take a picture of 
a scene, it comes back very quickly with the description which is quite 
accurate. so, might the problem lay elsewhere? after all, it recognises and 
interpret handwriting, which has to be sent off to the cloud to be processed, 
so, why not documents? any ideas?
  Very happy,

Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

2017-12-17 Thread Dave

well i wonder that front camera is not the thing with what you are can do can 
do and work and display that could be the prublum, and the stand might be 
standing on the thing that can do with myself.

From: Simon Wong 
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

Last time I tried that, I didn’t get no prompt no message telling me to hold 
the phone to set away you know this so I wonder if it would help if I had a 
stand.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 9:25 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

  when you’re in the document channel just hold the phone quite hi above your 
target text and you should be given information about what edges can be seen. 
once all the edges can be seen, the picture will be taken, you will be advised 
to hold still. so, you don’t have to select or  double tap it is automatic. 

  hope this helps, Sandy

  sent from the dark side of the moon

  On 17 Dec 2017, at 13:58, Simon Wong  wrote:

Where is this automatically take picture setting.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 8:50 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

  hello Richard,
  Thanks for the advice, are used your automatic take picture instead of 
double tapping and I got a result! meanwhile, using the handwriting channel, I 
took a quick snap of the shopping list that Hugh and I have been working on. 
he, obviously, didn’t anticipate my sudden access to  his written word, so he 
was a little embarrassed when my phone read me some of the rude remarks he made 
in the margins of the list! this, for me, is a game changer. Notes and memos 
can be left on those yellow sticky things and we will be able to read them! I 
have always wanted to read those things. I love reading my Christmas card 
signatures. never thought I’d here myself say this, but well done Microsoft!
  Sandy

  sent from the dark side of the moon

  On 16 Dec 2017, at 15:20, Richard Turner  
wrote:

Hi Sandy, 
What I've found is that you have to hold the phone higher from the 
document than with other OCR apps. It is about 18 inches for me. And you have 
to hold steady when it says to hold steady and it will automatically take the 
picture.
And, yes, the handwriting recognition is amazing!
HTH,
Richard

(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Dec 16, 2017, at 6:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

  hi,
  Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even when 
in Irish, my Christmas cards from my neighbours and friends. this is really 
good! now, just one thing, I have never yet managed to get a document 
recognised. short document mode is fine, but the full one way you take picture 
always fails. it fails because it cuts out because it is taking too long. I 
imagine, this is because of my Internet connection. but if I take a picture of 
a scene, it comes back very quickly with the description which is quite 
accurate. so, might the problem lay elsewhere? after all, it recognises and 
interpret handwriting, which has to be sent off to the cloud to be processed, 
so, why not documents? any ideas?
  Very happy, Sandy

  sent from the dark side of the moon

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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

ScanJig only gets you about 11 inches from your document and costs 3 times as 
much.
Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner

On Dec 17, 2017, at 7:32 AM, Simon Wong 
> wrote:

Thanks That’s the one i was going to get or i was going to try scan jig as well.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 10:26 AM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:

Try Fopydo, scanning stand. it can be raised to 14 inches, which could help.
And it is the least expensed.
Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner

On Dec 17, 2017, at 7:24 AM, Simon Wong 
> wrote:

I cannot keep my hands at a certain position for a very long time. I am going 
to try a stand.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:

Simon,
I do not find most of the stands work with Seeing AI, they are not quite tall 
enough.
The trick is to keep the phone level, with the camera pointing toward the 
middle of the page, about 18 inches above the page.
One method that might help you for practice is to take a standard 8.5 inch wide 
and 11 inch long sheet document and fold it in half the long way, then unfold 
it and fold it in half the short way, then unfold it and flatten it on the 
table.
Now, the folds will create an intersection in the middle of the page.
Find that spot where the two folds meet in the center, and place the phone's 
camera right on it.
Then, launch Seeing AI and use both hands to lift the phone straight up slowly, 
keeping it level.
If you are sitting in a chair with the document on the table, the phone will be 
about even with your face when it is at the right height. This of course may 
vary some depending how tall you are, but at some point, you will hear "Hold 
Steady" and stop moving at that point and it will take the picture.
It shouldn't take more than about 6 to 10 seconds to raise the phone to the 
right height.
Once you get used to the height, etc, you won't need to use that method any 
more.
HTH,
Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner

On Dec 17, 2017, at 7:06 AM, Simon Wong 
> wrote:

Last time I tried that, I didn’t get no prompt no message telling me to hold 
the phone to set away you know this so I wonder if it would help if I had a 
stand.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 9:25 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> wrote:

when you’re in the document channel just hold the phone quite hi above your 
target text and you should be given information about what edges can be seen. 
once all the edges can be seen, the picture will be taken, you will be advised 
to hold still. so, you don’t have to select or  double tap it is automatic.

hope this helps, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

On 17 Dec 2017, at 13:58, Simon Wong 
> wrote:

Where is this automatically take picture setting.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 8:50 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> wrote:

hello Richard,
Thanks for the advice, are used your automatic take picture instead of double 
tapping and I got a result! meanwhile, using the handwriting channel, I took a 
quick snap of the shopping list that Hugh and I have been working on. he, 
obviously, didn’t anticipate my sudden access to  his written word, so he was a 
little embarrassed when my phone read me some of the rude remarks he made in 
the margins of the list! this, for me, is a game changer. Notes and memos can 
be left on those yellow sticky things and we will be able to read them! I have 
always wanted to read those things. I love reading my Christmas card 
signatures. never thought I’d here myself say this, but well done Microsoft!
Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

On 16 Dec 2017, at 15:20, Richard Turner 
> wrote:

Hi Sandy,
What I've found is that you have to hold the phone higher from the document 
than with other OCR apps. It is about 18 inches for me. And you have to hold 
steady when it says to hold steady and it will automatically take the picture.
And, yes, the handwriting recognition is amazing!
HTH,
Richard

(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Dec 16, 2017, at 6:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> wrote:

hi,
Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even when in Irish, 
my Christmas cards from my neighbours and friends. this is really good! now,

Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

Thanks That’s the one i was going to get or i was going to try scan jig as well.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2017, at 10:26 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Try Fopydo, scanning stand. it can be raised to 14 inches, which could help.
> And it is the least expensed.
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
> -- Jane Wagner
> 
> 
> On Dec 17, 2017, at 7:24 AM, Simon Wong  wrote:
> 
>> I cannot keep my hands at a certain position for a very long time. I am 
>> going to try a stand.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 17, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Simon,
>>> I do not find most of the stands work with Seeing AI, they are not quite 
>>> tall enough.
>>> The trick is to keep the phone level, with the camera pointing toward the 
>>> middle of the page, about 18 inches above the page.
>>> One method that might help you for practice is to take a standard 8.5 inch 
>>> wide and 11 inch long sheet document and fold it in half the long way, then 
>>> unfold it and fold it in half the short way, then unfold it and flatten it 
>>> on the table.
>>> Now, the folds will create an intersection in the middle of the page.
>>> Find that spot where the two folds meet in the center, and place the 
>>> phone's camera right on it.
>>> Then, launch Seeing AI and use both hands to lift the phone straight up 
>>> slowly, keeping it level.
>>> If you are sitting in a chair with the document on the table, the phone 
>>> will be about even with your face when it is at the right height. This of 
>>> course may vary some depending how tall you are, but at some point, you 
>>> will hear "Hold Steady" and stop moving at that point and it will take the 
>>> picture.
>>> It shouldn't take more than about 6 to 10 seconds to raise the phone to the 
>>> right height.
>>> Once you get used to the height, etc, you won't need to use that method any 
>>> more.
>>> HTH,
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
>>> it." -- Jane Wagner
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2017, at 7:06 AM, Simon Wong  wrote:
>>> 
 Last time I tried that, I didn’t get no prompt no message telling me to 
 hold the phone to set away you know this so I wonder if it would help if I 
 had a stand.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 17, 2017, at 9:25 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
  wrote:
 
> when you’re in the document channel just hold the phone quite hi above 
> your target text and you should be given information about what edges can 
> be seen. once all the edges can be seen, the picture will be taken, you 
> will be advised to hold still. so, you don’t have to select or  double 
> tap it is automatic.
> 
> hope this helps, Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
> On 17 Dec 2017, at 13:58, Simon Wong  wrote:
> 
>> Where is this automatically take picture setting.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 17, 2017, at 8:50 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> hello Richard,
>>> Thanks for the advice, are used your automatic take picture instead of 
>>> double tapping and I got a result! meanwhile, using the handwriting 
>>> channel, I took a quick snap of the shopping list that Hugh and I have 
>>> been working on. he, obviously, didn’t anticipate my sudden access to  
>>> his written word, so he was a little embarrassed when my phone read me 
>>> some of the rude remarks he made in the margins of the list! this, for 
>>> me, is a game changer. Notes and memos can be left on those yellow 
>>> sticky things and we will be able to read them! I have always wanted to 
>>> read those things. I love reading my Christmas card signatures. never 
>>> thought I’d here myself say this, but well done Microsoft!
>>> Sandy
>>> 
>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>>> 
>>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 15:20, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 
 Hi Sandy,
 What I've found is that you have to hold the phone higher from the 
 document than with other OCR apps. It is about 18 inches for me. And 
 you have to hold steady when it says to hold steady and it will 
 automatically take the picture.
 And, yes, the handwriting recognition is amazing!
 HTH,
 Richard
 
 
 
 (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
 
 On Dec 16, 2017, at 6:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
  wrote:
 
> hi,
> Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even when 
>

Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

Try Fopydo, scanning stand. it can be raised to 14 inches, which could help.
And it is the least expensed.
Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner

On Dec 17, 2017, at 7:24 AM, Simon Wong 
> wrote:

I cannot keep my hands at a certain position for a very long time. I am going 
to try a stand.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:

Simon,
I do not find most of the stands work with Seeing AI, they are not quite tall 
enough.
The trick is to keep the phone level, with the camera pointing toward the 
middle of the page, about 18 inches above the page.
One method that might help you for practice is to take a standard 8.5 inch wide 
and 11 inch long sheet document and fold it in half the long way, then unfold 
it and fold it in half the short way, then unfold it and flatten it on the 
table.
Now, the folds will create an intersection in the middle of the page.
Find that spot where the two folds meet in the center, and place the phone's 
camera right on it.
Then, launch Seeing AI and use both hands to lift the phone straight up slowly, 
keeping it level.
If you are sitting in a chair with the document on the table, the phone will be 
about even with your face when it is at the right height. This of course may 
vary some depending how tall you are, but at some point, you will hear "Hold 
Steady" and stop moving at that point and it will take the picture.
It shouldn't take more than about 6 to 10 seconds to raise the phone to the 
right height.
Once you get used to the height, etc, you won't need to use that method any 
more.
HTH,
Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner

On Dec 17, 2017, at 7:06 AM, Simon Wong 
> wrote:

Last time I tried that, I didn’t get no prompt no message telling me to hold 
the phone to set away you know this so I wonder if it would help if I had a 
stand.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 9:25 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> wrote:

when you’re in the document channel just hold the phone quite hi above your 
target text and you should be given information about what edges can be seen. 
once all the edges can be seen, the picture will be taken, you will be advised 
to hold still. so, you don’t have to select or  double tap it is automatic.

hope this helps, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

On 17 Dec 2017, at 13:58, Simon Wong 
> wrote:

Where is this automatically take picture setting.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 8:50 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> wrote:

hello Richard,
Thanks for the advice, are used your automatic take picture instead of double 
tapping and I got a result! meanwhile, using the handwriting channel, I took a 
quick snap of the shopping list that Hugh and I have been working on. he, 
obviously, didn’t anticipate my sudden access to  his written word, so he was a 
little embarrassed when my phone read me some of the rude remarks he made in 
the margins of the list! this, for me, is a game changer. Notes and memos can 
be left on those yellow sticky things and we will be able to read them! I have 
always wanted to read those things. I love reading my Christmas card 
signatures. never thought I’d here myself say this, but well done Microsoft!
Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

On 16 Dec 2017, at 15:20, Richard Turner 
> wrote:

Hi Sandy,
What I've found is that you have to hold the phone higher from the document 
than with other OCR apps. It is about 18 inches for me. And you have to hold 
steady when it says to hold steady and it will automatically take the picture.
And, yes, the handwriting recognition is amazing!
HTH,
Richard

(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Dec 16, 2017, at 6:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> wrote:

hi,
Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even when in Irish, 
my Christmas cards from my neighbours and friends. this is really good! now, 
just one thing, I have never yet managed to get a document recognised. short 
document mode is fine, but the full one way you take picture always fails. it 
fails because it cuts out because it is taking too long. I imagine, this is 
because of my Internet connection. but if I take a picture of a scene, it comes 
back very quickly with the description which is quite accurate. so, might the 
problem lay elsewhere? after all, it recognises and interpret handwriting, 
which has to be sent off to the cloud to be

Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

I cannot keep my hands at a certain position for a very long time. I am going 
to try a stand.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Simon,
> I do not find most of the stands work with Seeing AI, they are not quite tall 
> enough.
> The trick is to keep the phone level, with the camera pointing toward the 
> middle of the page, about 18 inches above the page.
> One method that might help you for practice is to take a standard 8.5 inch 
> wide and 11 inch long sheet document and fold it in half the long way, then 
> unfold it and fold it in half the short way, then unfold it and flatten it on 
> the table.
> Now, the folds will create an intersection in the middle of the page.
> Find that spot where the two folds meet in the center, and place the phone's 
> camera right on it.
> Then, launch Seeing AI and use both hands to lift the phone straight up 
> slowly, keeping it level.
> If you are sitting in a chair with the document on the table, the phone will 
> be about even with your face when it is at the right height. This of course 
> may vary some depending how tall you are, but at some point, you will hear 
> "Hold Steady" and stop moving at that point and it will take the picture.
> It shouldn't take more than about 6 to 10 seconds to raise the phone to the 
> right height.
> Once you get used to the height, etc, you won't need to use that method any 
> more.
> HTH,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
> -- Jane Wagner
> 
> 
> On Dec 17, 2017, at 7:06 AM, Simon Wong  wrote:
> 
>> Last time I tried that, I didn’t get no prompt no message telling me to hold 
>> the phone to set away you know this so I wonder if it would help if I had a 
>> stand.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 17, 2017, at 9:25 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> when you’re in the document channel just hold the phone quite hi above your 
>>> target text and you should be given information about what edges can be 
>>> seen. once all the edges can be seen, the picture will be taken, you will 
>>> be advised to hold still. so, you don’t have to select or  double tap it is 
>>> automatic.
>>> 
>>> hope this helps, Sandy
>>> 
>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>>> 
>>> On 17 Dec 2017, at 13:58, Simon Wong  wrote:
>>> 
 Where is this automatically take picture setting.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 17, 2017, at 8:50 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
  wrote:
 
> hello Richard,
> Thanks for the advice, are used your automatic take picture instead of 
> double tapping and I got a result! meanwhile, using the handwriting 
> channel, I took a quick snap of the shopping list that Hugh and I have 
> been working on. he, obviously, didn’t anticipate my sudden access to  
> his written word, so he was a little embarrassed when my phone read me 
> some of the rude remarks he made in the margins of the list! this, for 
> me, is a game changer. Notes and memos can be left on those yellow sticky 
> things and we will be able to read them! I have always wanted to read 
> those things. I love reading my Christmas card signatures. never thought 
> I’d here myself say this, but well done Microsoft!
> Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
> On 16 Dec 2017, at 15:20, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi Sandy,
>> What I've found is that you have to hold the phone higher from the 
>> document than with other OCR apps. It is about 18 inches for me. And you 
>> have to hold steady when it says to hold steady and it will 
>> automatically take the picture.
>> And, yes, the handwriting recognition is amazing!
>> HTH,
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
>> 
>> On Dec 16, 2017, at 6:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> hi,
>>> Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even when 
>>> in Irish, my Christmas cards from my neighbours and friends. this is 
>>> really good! now, just one thing, I have never yet managed to get a 
>>> document recognised. short document mode is fine, but the full one way 
>>> you take picture always fails. it fails because it cuts out because it 
>>> is taking too long. I imagine, this is because of my Internet 
>>> connection. but if I take a picture of a scene, it comes back very 
>>> quickly with the description which is quite accurate. so, might the 
>>> problem lay elsewhere? after all, it recognises and interpret 
>>> handwriting, which has to be sent off to the cloud to be processed, so, 
>>> why not documents? any ideas?
>>>

Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

Simon,
I do not find most of the stands work with Seeing AI, they are not quite tall 
enough.
The trick is to keep the phone level, with the camera pointing toward the 
middle of the page, about 18 inches above the page.
One method that might help you for practice is to take a standard 8.5 inch wide 
and 11 inch long sheet document and fold it in half the long way, then unfold 
it and fold it in half the short way, then unfold it and flatten it on the 
table.
Now, the folds will create an intersection in the middle of the page.
Find that spot where the two folds meet in the center, and place the phone's 
camera right on it.
Then, launch Seeing AI and use both hands to lift the phone straight up slowly, 
keeping it level.
If you are sitting in a chair with the document on the table, the phone will be 
about even with your face when it is at the right height. This of course may 
vary some depending how tall you are, but at some point, you will hear "Hold 
Steady" and stop moving at that point and it will take the picture.
It shouldn't take more than about 6 to 10 seconds to raise the phone to the 
right height.
Once you get used to the height, etc, you won't need to use that method any 
more.
HTH,
Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner

On Dec 17, 2017, at 7:06 AM, Simon Wong 
> wrote:

Last time I tried that, I didn’t get no prompt no message telling me to hold 
the phone to set away you know this so I wonder if it would help if I had a 
stand.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 9:25 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> wrote:

when you’re in the document channel just hold the phone quite hi above your 
target text and you should be given information about what edges can be seen. 
once all the edges can be seen, the picture will be taken, you will be advised 
to hold still. so, you don’t have to select or  double tap it is automatic.

hope this helps, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

On 17 Dec 2017, at 13:58, Simon Wong 
> wrote:

Where is this automatically take picture setting.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 8:50 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> wrote:

hello Richard,
Thanks for the advice, are used your automatic take picture instead of double 
tapping and I got a result! meanwhile, using the handwriting channel, I took a 
quick snap of the shopping list that Hugh and I have been working on. he, 
obviously, didn’t anticipate my sudden access to  his written word, so he was a 
little embarrassed when my phone read me some of the rude remarks he made in 
the margins of the list! this, for me, is a game changer. Notes and memos can 
be left on those yellow sticky things and we will be able to read them! I have 
always wanted to read those things. I love reading my Christmas card 
signatures. never thought I’d here myself say this, but well done Microsoft!
Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

On 16 Dec 2017, at 15:20, Richard Turner 
> wrote:

Hi Sandy,
What I've found is that you have to hold the phone higher from the document 
than with other OCR apps. It is about 18 inches for me. And you have to hold 
steady when it says to hold steady and it will automatically take the picture.
And, yes, the handwriting recognition is amazing!
HTH,
Richard

(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Dec 16, 2017, at 6:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> wrote:

hi,
Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even when in Irish, 
my Christmas cards from my neighbours and friends. this is really good! now, 
just one thing, I have never yet managed to get a document recognised. short 
document mode is fine, but the full one way you take picture always fails. it 
fails because it cuts out because it is taking too long. I imagine, this is 
because of my Internet connection. but if I take a picture of a scene, it comes 
back very quickly with the description which is quite accurate. so, might the 
problem lay elsewhere? after all, it recognises and interpret handwriting, 
which has to be sent off to the cloud to be processed, so, why not documents? 
any ideas?
Very happy, Sandy

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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

Last time I tried that, I didn’t get no prompt no message telling me to hold 
the phone to set away you know this so I wonder if it would help if I had a 
stand.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2017, at 9:25 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> when you’re in the document channel just hold the phone quite hi above your 
> target text and you should be given information about what edges can be seen. 
> once all the edges can be seen, the picture will be taken, you will be 
> advised to hold still. so, you don’t have to select or  double tap it is 
> automatic.
> 
> hope this helps, Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 17 Dec 2017, at 13:58, Simon Wong  wrote:
>> 
>> Where is this automatically take picture setting.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2017, at 8:50 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> hello Richard,
>>> Thanks for the advice, are used your automatic take picture instead of 
>>> double tapping and I got a result! meanwhile, using the handwriting 
>>> channel, I took a quick snap of the shopping list that Hugh and I have been 
>>> working on. he, obviously, didn’t anticipate my sudden access to  his 
>>> written word, so he was a little embarrassed when my phone read me some of 
>>> the rude remarks he made in the margins of the list! this, for me, is a 
>>> game changer. Notes and memos can be left on those yellow sticky things and 
>>> we will be able to read them! I have always wanted to read those things. I 
>>> love reading my Christmas card signatures. never thought I’d here myself 
>>> say this, but well done Microsoft!
>>> Sandy
>>> 
>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>>> 
 On 16 Dec 2017, at 15:20, Richard Turner  
 wrote:
 
 
 Hi Sandy,
 What I've found is that you have to hold the phone higher from the 
 document than with other OCR apps. It is about 18 inches for me. And you 
 have to hold steady when it says to hold steady and it will automatically 
 take the picture.
 And, yes, the handwriting recognition is amazing!
 HTH,
 Richard
 
 
 
 (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
 
 On Dec 16, 2017, at 6:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
  wrote:
 
> hi,
> Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even when in 
> Irish, my Christmas cards from my neighbours and friends. this is really 
> good! now, just one thing, I have never yet managed to get a document 
> recognised. short document mode is fine, but the full one way you take 
> picture always fails. it fails because it cuts out because it is taking 
> too long. I imagine, this is because of my Internet connection. but if I 
> take a picture of a scene, it comes back very quickly with the 
> description which is quite accurate. so, might the problem lay elsewhere? 
> after all, it recognises and interpret handwriting, which has to be sent 
> off to the cloud to be processed, so, why not documents? any ideas?
> Very happy, Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

when you’re in the document channel just hold the phone quite hi above your 
target text and you should be given information about what edges can be seen. 
once all the edges can be seen, the picture will be taken, you will be advised 
to hold still. so, you don’t have to select or  double tap it is automatic.

hope this helps, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 17 Dec 2017, at 13:58, Simon Wong  wrote:
> 
> Where is this automatically take picture setting.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2017, at 8:50 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> hello Richard,
>> Thanks for the advice, are used your automatic take picture instead of 
>> double tapping and I got a result! meanwhile, using the handwriting channel, 
>> I took a quick snap of the shopping list that Hugh and I have been working 
>> on. he, obviously, didn’t anticipate my sudden access to  his written word, 
>> so he was a little embarrassed when my phone read me some of the rude 
>> remarks he made in the margins of the list! this, for me, is a game changer. 
>> Notes and memos can be left on those yellow sticky things and we will be 
>> able to read them! I have always wanted to read those things. I love reading 
>> my Christmas card signatures. never thought I’d here myself say this, but 
>> well done Microsoft!
>> Sandy
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>> 
>>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 15:20, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Sandy,
>>> What I've found is that you have to hold the phone higher from the document 
>>> than with other OCR apps. It is about 18 inches for me. And you have to 
>>> hold steady when it says to hold steady and it will automatically take the 
>>> picture.
>>> And, yes, the handwriting recognition is amazing!
>>> HTH,
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
>>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2017, at 6:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 hi,
 Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even when in 
 Irish, my Christmas cards from my neighbours and friends. this is really 
 good! now, just one thing, I have never yet managed to get a document 
 recognised. short document mode is fine, but the full one way you take 
 picture always fails. it fails because it cuts out because it is taking 
 too long. I imagine, this is because of my Internet connection. but if I 
 take a picture of a scene, it comes back very quickly with the description 
 which is quite accurate. so, might the problem lay elsewhere? after all, 
 it recognises and interpret handwriting, which has to be sent off to the 
 cloud to be processed, so, why not documents? any ideas?
 Very happy, Sandy
 
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Re: Battery Plunge


i have a new iPhone SE and the battery life has been amazing!
my 5S that this replaces was not holding its charge, but it was also 3 and a 
half years old and had been used and recharged an awful lot.
Richard



"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
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> On Dec 17, 2017, at 4:45 AM, Mike Ulrich  wrote:
> 
> I downloaded 11.2.1 the day after it came out. So far, I don't seem to notice 
> better battery life.
> Bummer.
> I hope with more time, I'm wrong.
> 
> Michael D. Ulrich
> Just an ordinary average blind guy!
> “Providing Insight for Blindness”
> Florida Council of the Blind
> Fundraising Committee Member
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 7:16 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Battery Plunge
> 
> Kim,
> I have been experiencing similar battery behaviour on my iPhone six. I am now 
> running 11.2.one I think it is and will see if this has improved the problem.
> Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 15 Dec 2017, at 13:57, Kimber Gardner  wrote:
>> 
>> Ever since updating to iOS11 my battery status has been doing really 
>> strange things. I've seen the dramatic plunges in percentage though 
>> not to 0 in a matter of minutes. I have also seen strange bounces in 
>> battery percentage like 93% that suddenly plunges to 50 or less then 
>> shoots back to around 90 when the phone has not been plugged in or 
>> charged in any way. Often I can correct the behavior by powering down 
>> the phone, but it only fixes it for a time. I chalked it up to iOS11 
>> but I don't know for sure. This is the first post I've seen from 
>> someone who also has been seeing this behavior.
>> 
>> Kim
>> 
>>> On 12/14/17, Joe Orozco  wrote:
>>> Hi, the flashlight was off. The screen brightness was set to 0. There 
>>> were no GPS apps running in the background. I'm telling you it 
>>> dropped from 73% to first 20% and then 10% in a matter of less than a 
>>> minute.
>>> Then, when I attempted to power on, I couldn't get it past the 
>>> initial white screen you get when you're resetting the phone. It was 
>>> extremely odd behavior, and the only reason I speculate it had 
>>> something to do with the Uber app is because when I finally got the 
>>> phone to reboot, the battery was at 50% until I relaunched the Uber 
>>> app at which point I managed to request another ride before the phone 
>>> crashed again.
>>> Today it's been just fine. It's held a consistent charge as it always 
>>> has. So, who knows. Weird coincidence. Next time I'll know to not 
>>> leavve without a spare battery of some sort.
>>> 
>>> Joe
>>> 
 On 12/14/17, Shai  wrote:
 Hi,
 I am also using an IPhone 6S with the latest iOS version and I have 
 not had this issue with the Uber app. I would take the 
 considerations of the other posters to lower screen brightness and 
 confirm that your flashlight is not on, but I would also consider 
 having your battery replaced. It sounds like the battery could be 
 faulty. I had my battery replaced a few months back as I found the 
 battery to not be as long lasting as I thought it should  and ever 
 since then, my iPhone6s has been working quite well.
 
 
 
> On 12/14/17, Joe Orozco  wrote:
> Yesterday evening I had a strange situation where my battery 
> plunged from 73% to 0 in a matter of minutes. Though not certain, I 
> believe it may’ve been attributed to the Uber app. I believe this 
> only because it’s the only thing I could logically explain. My 
> phone has never done this. A while later I managed to get the phone 
> to restart. My battery said it was at 50%. I launched Uber to try 
> to get a ride and the phone died on me again. Has anyone else seen 
> this behavior before? It was rather peculiar and not at all timely 
> as it left me stranded for a good while before I could get things 
> operational. Thanks for any ideas. I’m on an iPhone 6S using the latest 
> firmware.
> 
> Joe
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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

Simon,
I'd suggest you check out the Quick Help in the document channel.
It tells you what to do.
That channel is designed so you don't have to worry about manually taking the
picture.
HTH,
Richard

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On Dec 17, 2017, at 5:58 AM, Simon Wong
> wrote:

Where is this automatically take picture setting.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 8:50 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone
> wrote:

hello Richard,
Thanks for the advice, are used your automatic take picture instead of double
tapping and I got a result! meanwhile, using the handwriting channel, I took a
quick snap of the shopping list that Hugh and I have been working on. he,
obviously, didn’t anticipate my sudden access to his written word, so he was a
little embarrassed when my phone read me some of the rude remarks he made in
the margins of the list! this, for me, is a game changer. Notes and memos can
be left on those yellow sticky things and we will be able to read them! I have
always wanted to read those things. I love reading my Christmas card
signatures. never thought I’d here myself say this, but well done Microsoft!
Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

On 16 Dec 2017, at 15:20, Richard Turner
> wrote:

Hi Sandy,
What I've found is that you have to hold the phone higher from the document
than with other OCR apps. It is about 18 inches for me. And you have to hold
steady when it says to hold steady and it will automatically take the picture.
And, yes, the handwriting recognition is amazing!
HTH,
Richard

(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Dec 16, 2017, at 6:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone
> wrote:

hi,
Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even when in Irish,
my Christmas cards from my neighbours and friends. this is really good! now,
just one thing, I have never yet managed to get a document recognised. short
document mode is fine, but the full one way you take picture always fails. it
fails because it cuts out because it is taking too long. I imagine, this is
because of my Internet connection. but if I take a picture of a scene, it comes
back very quickly with the description which is quite accurate. so, might the
problem lay elsewhere? after all, it recognises and interpret handwriting,
which has to be sent off to the cloud to be processed, so, why not documents?
any ideas?
Very happy, Sandy

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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

Andy,
If you consider that this functionality has been used by post office sorting 
systems for decades, I am only surprised we haven’t had before. but, 
truthfully, I find it works and it works really well!
Give it a try, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 17 Dec 2017, at 02:04, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> 
> I shouldn't speak about this without trying it, but with all of the variables 
> involved in handwriting, I can't imagine being able to trust this capability. 
> It seems like a kind of parlar game, but i hope that I'm wrong.
>  
> Andy
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:22 AM
> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
> 
> You know you have to have the writing right side up.
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
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> 
>> On Dec 16, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Dave  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi rebecca,
>>  
>> Just tried my seeing AI, with a christmas card, and the hand writing 
>> channel, and it did really well.
>>  
>> I don’t use a stand, just held the phone, about 12 inches or so above the 
>> card.
>>  
>> Dave.
>>  
>> From: Rebecca Ilniski
>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 6:09 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>>  
>> I attempted to read a Christmas card and couldn’t get it to read for me.  I 
>> used the scan stand so that I could make sure I put the camera and document 
>> straight also.  I did have it on the handwriting channel.
>> Rebecca and guide dog Zeb
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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

Where is this automatically take picture setting.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2017, at 8:50 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> hello Richard,
> Thanks for the advice, are used your automatic take picture instead of double 
> tapping and I got a result! meanwhile, using the handwriting channel, I took 
> a quick snap of the shopping list that Hugh and I have been working on. he, 
> obviously, didn’t anticipate my sudden access to  his written word, so he was 
> a little embarrassed when my phone read me some of the rude remarks he made 
> in the margins of the list! this, for me, is a game changer. Notes and memos 
> can be left on those yellow sticky things and we will be able to read them! I 
> have always wanted to read those things. I love reading my Christmas card 
> signatures. never thought I’d here myself say this, but well done Microsoft!
> Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 15:20, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Sandy,
>> What I've found is that you have to hold the phone higher from the document 
>> than with other OCR apps. It is about 18 inches for me. And you have to hold 
>> steady when it says to hold steady and it will automatically take the 
>> picture.
>> And, yes, the handwriting recognition is amazing!
>> HTH,
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
>> 
>> On Dec 16, 2017, at 6:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> hi,
>>> Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even when in 
>>> Irish, my Christmas cards from my neighbours and friends. this is really 
>>> good! now, just one thing, I have never yet managed to get a document 
>>> recognised. short document mode is fine, but the full one way you take 
>>> picture always fails. it fails because it cuts out because it is taking too 
>>> long. I imagine, this is because of my Internet connection. but if I take a 
>>> picture of a scene, it comes back very quickly with the description which 
>>> is quite accurate. so, might the problem lay elsewhere? after all, it 
>>> recognises and interpret handwriting, which has to be sent off to the cloud 
>>> to be processed, so, why not documents? any ideas?
>>> Very happy, Sandy
>>> 
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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

hello Richard,
Thanks for the advice, are used your automatic take picture instead of double 
tapping and I got a result! meanwhile, using the handwriting channel, I took a 
quick snap of the shopping list that Hugh and I have been working on. he, 
obviously, didn’t anticipate my sudden access to  his written word, so he was a 
little embarrassed when my phone read me some of the rude remarks he made in 
the margins of the list! this, for me, is a game changer. Notes and memos can 
be left on those yellow sticky things and we will be able to read them! I have 
always wanted to read those things. I love reading my Christmas card 
signatures. never thought I’d here myself say this, but well done Microsoft!
Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 16 Dec 2017, at 15:20, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Sandy,
> What I've found is that you have to hold the phone higher from the document 
> than with other OCR apps. It is about 18 inches for me. And you have to hold 
> steady when it says to hold steady and it will automatically take the picture.
> And, yes, the handwriting recognition is amazing!
> HTH,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
> 
> On Dec 16, 2017, at 6:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
>> hi,
>> Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even when in 
>> Irish, my Christmas cards from my neighbours and friends. this is really 
>> good! now, just one thing, I have never yet managed to get a document 
>> recognised. short document mode is fine, but the full one way you take 
>> picture always fails. it fails because it cuts out because it is taking too 
>> long. I imagine, this is because of my Internet connection. but if I take a 
>> picture of a scene, it comes back very quickly with the description which is 
>> quite accurate. so, might the problem lay elsewhere? after all, it 
>> recognises and interpret handwriting, which has to be sent off to the cloud 
>> to be processed, so, why not documents? any ideas?
>> Very happy, Sandy
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
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RE: Battery Plunge

2017-12-17 Thread Mike Ulrich

I downloaded 11.2.1 the day after it came out. So far, I don't seem to notice 
better battery life.
Bummer.
I hope with more time, I'm wrong.

Michael D. Ulrich
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-Original Message-
From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 7:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Battery Plunge

Kim,
I have been experiencing similar battery behaviour on my iPhone six. I am now 
running 11.2.one I think it is and will see if this has improved the problem.
Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 15 Dec 2017, at 13:57, Kimber Gardner  wrote:
> 
> Ever since updating to iOS11 my battery status has been doing really 
> strange things. I've seen the dramatic plunges in percentage though 
> not to 0 in a matter of minutes. I have also seen strange bounces in 
> battery percentage like 93% that suddenly plunges to 50 or less then 
> shoots back to around 90 when the phone has not been plugged in or 
> charged in any way. Often I can correct the behavior by powering down 
> the phone, but it only fixes it for a time. I chalked it up to iOS11 
> but I don't know for sure. This is the first post I've seen from 
> someone who also has been seeing this behavior.
> 
> Kim
> 
>> On 12/14/17, Joe Orozco  wrote:
>> Hi, the flashlight was off. The screen brightness was set to 0. There 
>> were no GPS apps running in the background. I'm telling you it 
>> dropped from 73% to first 20% and then 10% in a matter of less than a minute.
>> Then, when I attempted to power on, I couldn't get it past the 
>> initial white screen you get when you're resetting the phone. It was 
>> extremely odd behavior, and the only reason I speculate it had 
>> something to do with the Uber app is because when I finally got the 
>> phone to reboot, the battery was at 50% until I relaunched the Uber 
>> app at which point I managed to request another ride before the phone 
>> crashed again.
>> Today it's been just fine. It's held a consistent charge as it always 
>> has. So, who knows. Weird coincidence. Next time I'll know to not 
>> leavve without a spare battery of some sort.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>>> On 12/14/17, Shai  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I am also using an IPhone 6S with the latest iOS version and I have 
>>> not had this issue with the Uber app. I would take the 
>>> considerations of the other posters to lower screen brightness and 
>>> confirm that your flashlight is not on, but I would also consider 
>>> having your battery replaced. It sounds like the battery could be 
>>> faulty. I had my battery replaced a few months back as I found the 
>>> battery to not be as long lasting as I thought it should  and ever 
>>> since then, my iPhone6s has been working quite well.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 12/14/17, Joe Orozco  wrote:
 Yesterday evening I had a strange situation where my battery 
 plunged from 73% to 0 in a matter of minutes. Though not certain, I 
 believe it may’ve been attributed to the Uber app. I believe this 
 only because it’s the only thing I could logically explain. My 
 phone has never done this. A while later I managed to get the phone 
 to restart. My battery said it was at 50%. I launched Uber to try 
 to get a ride and the phone died on me again. Has anyone else seen 
 this behavior before? It was rather peculiar and not at all timely 
 as it left me stranded for a good while before I could get things 
 operational. Thanks for any ideas. I’m on an iPhone 6S using the latest 
 firmware.
 
 Joe
 
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