When using Siri with VoiceOver, Remember to Give That Beep a Chance

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

For the first 48 hours or so after activating my new 14, I thought the
device might be defective as almost 90% of my Siri requests were not being
understood by the phone.  

For example, when making requests such as, "Call Richard" or "Call Sieghard,
mobile", Siri would respond with something like, "Could you say that again?
I didn't quite understand you."

Even when I asked Siri for the current weather conditions in a particular
city, I would receive an error response.  This even happened when I had my
Apple Earpods, attached.  Now that I think about it, I couldn't even get
Siri to open the Calendar app.

Now keep in mind that it wasn't until I purchased the 14 that I had any
experience with OS 16, let alone OS 16.2.

I was so tired during that first 48-hour period, after purchasing iPhone 14,
because of a lack of sleep, that I blamed myself for doing something wrong
even though I could not pinpoint my error.

Of course I searched Google for solutions but could not find any articles on
the subject.  This led me to believe that the issue was not widespread, at
the very least.

I was just beginning to consider taking the new phone back to the Apple
Store when, near the end of that first 48-hour period, I decided to upgrade
my beloved iPad Pro 2017 from iPad OS 15.x to iPad 16.2.  Immediately after
doing so, I experienced the exact same phenomenon on the iPad.

To say that my mind was blown, would be the understatement of the holiday
season.

After experiencing the same glitch on two devices, one new and the other
that, until the update to the latest OS, had performed flawlessly, I
realized that the issue was with 16.2 and not a hardware problem.

So I asked myself what had changed between OS 15.x and OS 16.x.  The answer,
which I had read about in this community, was the Siri beep prompt.

As many had reported and discussed, on-list, Apple, in its infinite wisdom,
changed the beep prompt that VoiceOver users hear, when activating Siri.

Now I do my best to read virtually every thread posted to this list.  This
can be an overwhelming task, at times, so, sometimes I simply miss the
proverbial "meat & potatoes" of a thread.  I write this to say that what I
discovered, organically, has most likely already been described, on-list. So
I apologize if this is redundant.

Okay, what occurred to me was that the most significant difference between
the legacy Siri beep prompt and the new Siri beep prompt was the length of
time it takes the new prompt to end.  The difference is less than one second
but it is a significant difference, all the same.

So I asked myself, what would happen if, instead of speaking to Siri near
the beginning of the prompt, as I have always done, I waited until the
prompt completely ended.  

So, I tried it and . Yes, you guessed it; that is all it took in order to
bring Siri recognition back to virtually 100% on both devices.

After that, I realized that I have been, to a much lesser degree
experiencing the same problem on both of my Apple TV models.  These models,
also, use the new Siri beep prompt.  Waiting just that extra little moment,
before speaking to Siri made a universe full of difference.

So, if you are finding that Siri is not as accurate in its responses as it
was in previous versions of the OS, after activating Siri, wait until the
new beep prompt has completely ended, before speaking, and you should notice
quite a difference in the results.

When using Siri with VoiceOver, remember to give that beep a chance, to end,
that is, (smile), before speaking.

Mark


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RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

[M. Taylor]

Hello James.

Thank you so much for the link.  Yes, having tactile buttons is so very 
important to me.  I shutter at the thought of having to completely depend upon 
an external device in order to adjust basic functions of the thermostat.

I will definitely give this a look.

Thank you again.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of James 
Bentley
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 7:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

I’ve had a Sensi model st55 for 2 years now.Be sure you get this cheaper 
$80.00, model available from Amazon.  It has buttons that control selecting 
heat or air conditioning and changing the temperature and more.  It also works 
with Alexa and there is an app for I Phone and I think, Android.
Note, the more expensive model is flat screen only.  No buttons.  The buttons 
are important for a blind person to use the thermostat in case your internet 
goes down.

The $80.00, thermostat with buttons is model ST55.  Here is an Amazon link.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01NB1OB0I/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8=16b53869f5473df1c2e96eaa091b5ae3_cr_id=1865675060401_rd_plhdr=t_rd_r=a4851b0d-8d87-4199-8c2b-32c4437daff2_rd_w=8kn92_rd_wg=ViTHK_=sbx_be_s_sparkle_mcd_asin_0_bkgd


HTH,

James B  

From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Wayne Scott
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:48 PM
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

I highly recommendthe Sensi thermostat. It works with both Alexa and iPhone.  
Wayne Scott  
 

On Dec 27, 2022, at 2:23 PM, Katrina Anderson 
 wrote:
My Honeywell programmable thermostat has buttons around the visual display.  I 
am able to do some basic things without the Internet, app or Alexa, but since I 
am totally blind, I have to rely on good notes (not enough space for braille 
labels).  I am very pleased with this thermostat, and what is especially cool 
is that I had nothing to do with selecting it.  The thermostat was 
selected/installed by the company/workers who installed a new furnace and AC 
7.5 years ago.  In case it would prove helpful, details about my thermostat 
follow:
Honeywell Thermostat Model and/or Serial #:  Focus Pro TH6320WF
Above based on the Model 6000

Katrina
-Original Message-
From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 2:58 PM
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Honeywell T9 or T10 would probably be my choice, we have a Honeywell T5 which 
has long since been discontinued, but it works well although it is a touch 
screen thermostat so if for some reason your internet goes down you would have 
a hard time setting anything on it, but I believe many smart thermostats would 
be the same way.


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From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 2:01 PM
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Hello Everyone,

Okay, I know that I have asked this question before but, now that I must buy a 
new thermostat for my home, within the next week or so, as my 32 year old model 
is starting to fail on a virtually daily basis, what Alexa compatible 
thermostat do you either recommend and / or are currently using?

I am aware of the Nest brand models; I thought they were Google-only models but 
I think they also can work with Alexa, right?  Does anyone have any experience 
with Nest / Alexa compatibility?  

Also, I know that Honeywell makes Alexa models but, from what I have read on 
the web, today, one must setup an online account with Honeywell before the 
device can be used with Alexa.  That sounds like a lot of trouble to me; maybe.

The only thing I know for certain is that I want a model that will work with 
Amazon Alexa, out of the box, because I do not want to use a third-party app, 
is I can avoid doing so.

I have come to trust the Alexa app for iOS and iPad OS.

Mark


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RE: Accessibility of music service aps

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And as a last comment, having a connected receiver which has some capabilities 
like Sonos and  hooking up a Sonos Port to it is a bit like having a smart TV 
and an Apple TV.
Especially if the receiver's app is accessible you may think you don't really 
need a Port, but theoretically if you have an accessible smart TV with Netflix, 
Disney Plus, Apple TV, Prime Video and even an app store where you can get more 
stuff you don't really need an Apple TV.
However, you still may like or prefer an Apple TV because the accessibility I 
think is probably still better than just about any smart TV and while I don't 
know how fully accessible and awesome the Denon app for your receiver is, the 
Sonos app is incredibly accessible and then there is of course the benefit of 
integrating your existing setup into the Sonos system which I explained in my 
previous email. Anybody who is serious about Sonos and is building a multi-room 
or whole house system would want to do this unless of  course you for some 
reason want to add separate Sonos speakers in the same room where your existing 
system is, but then that is silly since it will be more expensive than a Sonos 
Port and I would assume you have your Denon receiver with whatever speaker 
configuration because you really like it.
In my case my Sony receiver and the speakers I had on it were better than most 
Sonos speakers, but I eventually opted to switch it for a Sonos Arc and 
surround package simply because it also sounds great and it's just so much more 
convenient and takes up so much less space since I had large speakers before 
which were on a stand and took up a lot of room and there is of course all the 
cables I needed.
As you can guess by now, I am a big Sonos fan, I bought my first Sonos gear in 
2009 and I loved it when Sonos was offering the 30% upgrade credit where you 
can basically get a 30% discount on new Sonos gear if you decommission any of 
the old gear you may have. In the very beginning you could get a shipping label 
to send it back to Sonos since once you used the upgrade credit, the speaker 
you used for that wouldn't work any more, but that has changed and you can now 
use the upgrade credit and then still sell the old speaker. The buyer can set 
it up and activate it on their account, the only thing is that Sonos does keep 
track of serial numbers so a second person could not use that same speaker 
again to get a discount. There are actually people who very specifically look 
for very old Sonos gear on eBay which hasn't been used to get an upgrade 
discount because you might be able to buy a first generation Connect for $50 or 
$80, but if the upgrade credit associated with it has not been used, you could 
buy a new wireless Sub which costs $750 and get it for 30% off so you spend $80 
or even $100 to get a $225 discount and if you were to buy a full surround 
setup or a new Sonos Amp with in-wall speakers you might get a discount around 
$400 or $500.
I can't wait what Sonos will come out with in 2023, typically they release 2 
new products a year, this year the second in October was a new Sub Mini (can't 
remember what the first was), in 2023 it seems already confirmed there is a new 
speaker called Optimus which is going to be a better sounding Sonos One or 
Five, not quite sure. It is supposed to be Wi-Fi 6 capable and in addition also 
support full Bluetooth streaming in addition to Airplay 2 which most Sonos 
speakers have.
There are also rumours about a new flagship soundbar and while that might be 
cool, I never give up hope until they finally add a high-end Sonos headset into 
the mix which would allow me to have a headset which is part of my Sonos system 
without having to resort to work-arounds like connecting a Bluetooth 
receiver/transmitter to a Sonos Port or stuff like that which in any case never 
would sound as good as a good headset which would get its signal via your Wi-Fi.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 10:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Accessibility of music service aps

You could always get a Sonos Port and hook it up to your Denon receiver since 
this would then also allow you to bring the speakers connected to your receiver 
into the Sonos system, group them and so on.
Sonos also has it's own voice assistant and it can live alongside Alexa on any 
voice enabled Sonos speaker like the Roam, Move, One or any of the soundbars. 
It works great for changing volume and it's fantastic if you have multiple 
Sonos speakers and you want to group them. You never have to open the app any 
more, I for example often want our living room Arc and surround system grouped 
with a set of Sonos One speakers in the kitchen because then my wife can watch 
a movie and I can listen in the kitchen if I am still doing something. I simply 
go in the kitchen and say "Hey Sonos, group cooking" This is because I made a 
group with living room and kitchen and 

RE: Accessibility of music service aps

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You could always get a Sonos Port and hook it up to your Denon receiver since 
this would then also allow you to bring the speakers connected to your receiver 
into the Sonos system, group them and so on.
Sonos also has it's own voice assistant and it can live alongside Alexa on any 
voice enabled Sonos speaker like the Roam, Move, One or any of the soundbars. 
It works great for changing volume and it's fantastic if you have multiple 
Sonos speakers and you want to group them. You never have to open the app any 
more, I for example often want our living room Arc and surround system grouped 
with a set of Sonos One speakers in the kitchen because then my wife can watch 
a movie and I can listen in the kitchen if I am still doing something. I simply 
go in the kitchen and say "Hey Sonos, group cooking" This is because I made a 
group with living room and kitchen and named it cooking, I could also say "Hey 
Sonos, group living room and kitchen Sonos, basically you say you want to group 
whatever your speaker names are and it's actually amazing how fast it happens, 
Sonos voice assistant barely says "Grouping cooking" when the audio already 
starts playing.
In the same way if I am done and join my wife in the living room I just say 
"Hey Sonos, ungroup cooking" as I am walking out of the kitchen and it's done. 
Similarly if I have Sonos playing in say 3 rooms, bedroom, kitchen and living 
room, I can ask the Sonos assistant to change the volume which changes it for 
the entire group or I can ask it to change the volume in the living room or 
mute the bedroom etc. For actual system control it works incredibly well.
Before I bought my first Sonos surround sound setup, a Playbar, set of Play 1 
speakers for rear surrounds and a Sonos Sub I had a high-end Sony Elite series 
7.1 surround sound receiver and while this was before the days when just about 
everything was connected and had an app, I had what back then was a Sonos 
Connect hooked up to it via a digital optical connection. In this way Sonos was 
just another input source and if I wanted to listen to music in the living room 
I selected the optical digital input and after that I didn't need to do 
anything any more with my receiver since my music selection and all that was 
then done via the Sonos app. And since the Connect and now the new Port also 
has analogue inputs, I was able to connect my Sony receiver's analogue outputs 
in turn back into the Connect and this way any other source connected to my 
Sony receiver like CD player, Blu-Ray, satellite TV receiver could be played on 
my Sonos system throughout the house. If you are building a Sonos system and 
have an existing stereo system getting a Port is almost inevitable and it also 
happens to be one of the less expensive Sonos items.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 9:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Accessibility of music service aps

Good question. Mostly because it’s not supported by my Denon receiver, which 
does support Airplay though. It does check all of the other boxes, and I have a 
three month free subscription, so I definitely need to check it out.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 11:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Accessibility of music service aps

Why are you not considering Apple Music? I don't know about your Denon 
receiver, but it's certainly supported by Sonos and you can select Apple Music 
as your preferred music service in the Alexa app so if you tell Alexa on your 
Sonos Roam to play whatever music it will do so playing from Apple Music.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Accessibility of music service aps

I’m shopping around for a new music service. It looks like right now I’m 
deciding between Spotify, Deezer and Amazon Music. I’ll play around with each 
as much as I can, but I’m wondering if anyone wants to share their opinions on 
the accessibility of the apps for these services.

Right now I’m using YouTube Music, which I like, but I’m looking for something 
that will be supported on more of the platforms I’m starting to use. I just 
bought a Sonos Roam, and I have a Denon receiver running HEOS. I also have 
smart speakers right now from Amazon, Google and Apple. I know I can use 
Airplay and Chromecast, but a service or assistant that supports these services 
would be a nice to have.

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RE: Accessibility of music service aps

[Christopher Chaltain]

Good question. Mostly because it's not supported by my Denon receiver, which 
does support Airplay though. It does check all of the other boxes, and I have a 
three month free subscription, so I definitely need to check it out.

--
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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 11:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Accessibility of music service aps

Why are you not considering Apple Music? I don't know about your Denon 
receiver, but it's certainly supported by Sonos and you can select Apple Music 
as your preferred music service in the Alexa app so if you tell Alexa on your 
Sonos Roam to play whatever music it will do so playing from Apple Music.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Accessibility of music service aps

I'm shopping around for a new music service. It looks like right now I'm 
deciding between Spotify, Deezer and Amazon Music. I'll play around with each 
as much as I can, but I'm wondering if anyone wants to share their opinions on 
the accessibility of the apps for these services.

Right now I'm using YouTube Music, which I like, but I'm looking for something 
that will be supported on more of the platforms I'm starting to use. I just 
bought a Sonos Roam, and I have a Denon receiver running HEOS. I also have 
smart speakers right now from Amazon, Google and Apple. I know I can use 
Airplay and Chromecast, but a service or assistant that supports these services 
would be a nice to have.

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Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

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RE: Accessibility of music service aps

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Why are you not considering Apple Music? I don't know about your Denon 
receiver, but it's certainly supported by Sonos and you can select Apple Music 
as your preferred music service in the Alexa app so if you tell Alexa on your 
Sonos Roam to play whatever music it will do so playing from Apple Music.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Accessibility of music service aps

I’m shopping around for a new music service. It looks like right now I’m 
deciding between Spotify, Deezer and Amazon Music. I’ll play around with each 
as much as I can, but I’m wondering if anyone wants to share their opinions on 
the accessibility of the apps for these services.

Right now I’m using YouTube Music, which I like, but I’m looking for something 
that will be supported on more of the platforms I’m starting to use. I just 
bought a Sonos Roam, and I have a Denon receiver running HEOS. I also have 
smart speakers right now from Amazon, Google and Apple. I know I can use 
Airplay and Chromecast, but a service or assistant that supports these services 
would be a nice to have.

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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

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RE: Charging Your New Phone, Anyone?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I have the optimize battery health thing turned on, but if I put my iPhone 11 
on the wireless charging pad when I go to bed say around 11 and I check it when 
I wake up around 2 or 3 then it's always at 100%. Not sure how this charging to 
80% is supposed to work with the balance getting topped off towards morning. I 
have a sleep focus set which turns on wind down at 10:30 PM and my alarm goes 
off at 7 AM so if the phone uses this as a guideline for when my battery should 
be fully charged on would expect that it goes to 80% until around maybe 5 or 6 
AM and then the remaining 20% are done and this is not the case.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 6:21 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
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Subject: RE: Charging Your New Phone, Anyone?

Hello Alan,

Great advice.  I just checked and the optimize battery life is enabled.

I am having fun tweaking the new phone so that it is just right; you know me 
well (smile).  And actually, you're right, it is kind of fun exploring all of 
the new settings that were not available on my beloved 8 Plus.

Mark  

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From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 5:05 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Charging Your New Phone, Anyone?

Hi Mark,

I don't leave my iPhone 13 Mini on a charger when not in use but I do have it 
connected to a charger when I go to bed at night. I would recommend you go to 
Settings, Battery, Battery health and charging and make sure Optimized battery 
charging is turned on. On that same screen, you can check what your battery's 
maximum capacity is and mine is at 94% after a year and two months of use which 
I'm satisfied with.

Enjoy your new iPhone 14 Pro and all the best getting it customized exactly to 
your liking.

Alan Lemly

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From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 5:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Charging Your New Phone, Anyone?

Hello All,

Okay, based on my research I cannot find any Apple articles that discouraged 
leaving an iPhone 14 on a charger, when not in use.

You old-timers will recall that, once upon a time, it was recommended that one 
not leave a phone on a charger, when not in use, full-time.  It was thought 
that doing so would shorten the life of the battery.

I found an Apple community thread that discusses this and the conclusion is 
that leaving a 14 attached to a charger, when not in use, will, in no way 
damage or shorten the life of the battery.

Question:  Does anyone have any credible statements / sources to the contrary?  
If so, please post them as this can make a difference to the life of the 
battery, in the long run.

Unlike in the past, I want to consider all aspects of keeping my iPhone battery 
healthy from the very beginning.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark

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RE: Is it safe to remove phone from list

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And what difference does it make, the phone is gone and I would not want to 
keep it on my account whether it's a security risk or not. There is no way to 
tell if somebody tore it apart to sell the battery, screen and whatever other 
pieces can be sold or if somebody finds a way to set it up as a new phone. If I 
reset a phone completely and sell it I will also remove it from my account even 
though not doing so doesn't also pose any risk, but it also serves no purpose.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:50 PM
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Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Is it safe to remove phone from list

Hello Max,

Wow!  I am so surprised at your reply from Apple.

There was a time when Apple maintained a list of stolen phones which would 
prevent the phone from being activated.

In fact, a friend of mine purchased a phone off of Craigslist and when we tried 
to activate it, it failed to do so.

When I called Apple, on his behalf, I was told that the phone, based on the 
IMEI number, had been placed on a special list because it had been reported as 
stolen.  Granted, this was many, many years ago but I find it difficult to 
believe that this system has been abandoned.  

I agree with you that the phone has, more likely than not, been abandoned as 
the thief could not activate it but, still, perhaps you should consider erasing 
the device?  I believe that if you elect to erase the phone, then, when next 
powered on, it will automatically erase itself but still be tied to your 
account.

As I think about this, were I in your situation, I would erase the phone and 
leave it on my account for, at least, 1 year or so.  Then, after that, I might, 
might remove it from my account.  As far as I know, leaving it associated with 
your account is not hurting anything and does not pose a security risk to you.  

Just some food for thought.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Agent086b
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 2:34 PM
To: viphone 
Subject: Re: Is it safe to remove phone from list

Hi Mark and all.
Well the call to Apple did not offer any real help.
They did not offer any service after the phone was stolen regarding putting it 
on a list. The lady I spoke to just said what ever I do it will just rely on 
the pass code.  So I will remove it from my iCloud account so at that will be 
safe. If they still have it  they can set it up as new!. After 8 months I doubt 
it. Probably broken up for parts by now.
Thanks all.
Max.

> On 27 Dec 2022, at 13:58, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Max,
> 
> Ah!  I see.
> 
> In such an instance, then I would call Apple and report the device as having 
> been stolen.  They will place it on a special list that will prevent the 
> device from being reactivated.  Do not remove the device from your account 
> until you speak to Someone at Apple who will advise you on how best to 
> proceed.
> 
> I am sorry that her phone was stolen;  What a terrible thing to happen.
> 
> Should you decide to contact Apple and report the phone as having been 
> stolen, please let us know your experience with Apple on this so that others 
> who may have a similar incident will no how best to proceed.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Agent086b
> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 6:47 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Is it safe to remove phone from list
> 
> Sorry I was not clear. We have never got the phone back. I left it to erase 
> if the tried to connect to a network.
> Max.
> Max.
>> On 27 Dec 2022, at 10:45, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> To be honest, I do not know why you would want to remove your wife's phone 
>> from your account unless, of course, you want to add it to her account.  
>> 
>> If you remove her phone from your iCloud account, the phone will still have 
>> the 6-digit unlock code on the device, itself.
>> 
>> What the message is indicating is that, if not attached to your iCloud 
>> account, then if someone knows the 6-digit unlock code, then they could add 
>> it to their iCloud account; which would be the natural scenario were the 
>> phone sold or stolen.
>> 
>> So, ideally, you will want to remove the phone from your iCloud account and 
>> then register it with another iCloud account as soon as possible.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Agent086b
>> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 3:35 PM
>> To: viphone 
>> Subject: Is it safe to remove phone from list
>> 
>> Hi, earlier this year my wife had her iPhone stolen. 
>> I went into find my and set her phone to erase. It already had a 6 digit 
>> lock code . This was around April May this year. I thought I would remove 
>> from my iCloud account. When I think of doing I get a notification saying if 
>> I do this the phone can be activated by somebody 

Re: connecting external devices to Iphone or Ipad

[William Outman]

I wouldn’t think there would be a problem with the usual audio files we come 
across. Audio files are smaller than video. 
Others can comment further. 
Bill Outman 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 27, 2022, at 4:19 PM, Joe Paton  wrote:
> 
> Hello, 
> Looking through apple's on-line resources, usb and flash card readers
> can be connected via the camera kit, and those that may require more
> power need the camera kit 3.  So this kit provides connectivity to
> either lightening ports, or usb 3 in the cases of recent iphones and
> ipads. 
> 
> Apples guidelines say that these kits can facilitate usb or external drives, 
> and or, flash drives.  What concerns me, is that although mention is made of 
> the ability to view photo file types, no mention is made of accessing audio 
> files. 
> is there a connector either third partyy or via apple, connector that will 
> allow me to access audio books on a USB device, or CF card reader connected 
> to an iphone 12, or ipad with a usb 3 port? 
> 
> Sorry for the rambling nature of this question. 
> 
> Thanks. 
> Happy new year to all. 
> 
> Joe 
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RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

[James Bentley]

I’ve had a Sensi model st55 for 2 years now.Be sure you get this cheaper 
$80.00, model available from Amazon.  It has buttons that control selecting 
heat or air conditioning and changing the temperature and more.  It also works 
with Alexa and there is an app for I Phone and I think, Android.

Note, the more expensive model is flat screen only.  No buttons.  The buttons 
are important for a blind person to use the thermostat in case your internet 
goes down.

 

The $80.00, thermostat with buttons is model ST55.  Here is an Amazon link.

 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01NB1OB0I/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8 

 
=16b53869f5473df1c2e96eaa091b5ae3_cr_id=1865675060401_rd_plhdr=t_rd_r=a4851b0d-8d87-4199-8c2b-32c4437daff2_rd_w=8kn92_rd_wg=ViTHK_=sbx_be_s_sparkle_mcd_asin_0_bkgd

 

 

HTH,

 

James B  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
Scott
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

 

I highly recommendthe Sensi thermostat. It works with both Alexa and iPhone.  

Wayne Scott  

 





On Dec 27, 2022, at 2:23 PM, Katrina Anderson mailto:kanderson8...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

My Honeywell programmable thermostat has buttons around the visual display.  I 
am able to do some basic things without the Internet, app or Alexa, but since I 
am totally blind, I have to rely on good notes (not enough space for braille 
labels).  I am very pleased with this thermostat, and what is especially cool 
is that I had nothing to do with selecting it.  The thermostat was 
selected/installed by the company/workers who installed a new furnace and AC 
7.5 years ago.  In case it would prove helpful, details about my thermostat 
follow:
Honeywell Thermostat Model and/or Serial #:  Focus Pro TH6320WF
Above based on the Model 6000

Katrina
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Honeywell T9 or T10 would probably be my choice, we have a Honeywell T5 which 
has long since been discontinued, but it works well although it is a touch 
screen thermostat so if for some reason your internet goes down you would have 
a hard time setting anything on it, but I believe many smart thermostats would 
be the same way.


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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M. 
Taylor
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 2:01 PM
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Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Hello Everyone,

Okay, I know that I have asked this question before but, now that I must buy a 
new thermostat for my home, within the next week or so, as my 32 year old model 
is starting to fail on a virtually daily basis, what Alexa compatible 
thermostat do you either recommend and / or are currently using?

I am aware of the Nest brand models; I thought they were Google-only models but 
I think they also can work with Alexa, right?  Does anyone have any experience 
with Nest / Alexa compatibility?  

Also, I know that Honeywell makes Alexa models but, from what I have read on 
the web, today, one must setup an online account with Honeywell before the 
device can be used with Alexa.  That sounds like a lot of trouble to me; maybe.

The only thing I know for certain is that I want a model that will work with 
Amazon Alexa, out of the box, because I do not want to use a third-party app, 
is I can avoid doing so.

I have come to trust the Alexa app for iOS and iPad OS.

Mark


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RE: Charging Your New Phone, Anyone?

[Richard Turner]

I have the 13 pro with the Apple wireless charger that I believe is labeled 
MagSafe.

I have Battery optimization on.
The phone always charges to 100%, though it also says "charging"

These are nits I choose not to pick.




Richard, USA.
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Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Charging Your New Phone, Anyone?

Hi Gordon,

Thank you for your post.  

So, if Apple added the optimized battery setting, then it would seem that even 
when the phone is connected to a charger, it will not charge to 100% even 
though the A/C current is available, or so I would think.  This would lead me 
to believe that leaving the phone connected to a charger would have no 
detrimental affect on the device.

Batteries, batteries, batteries.  It would seem that, even at the end of 2022, 
they are still the weakest link in the technology food chain.  I don't know; 
just a thought.

You know what?  In my mind, I think of batteries in the same way as I think of 
printers; boring but necessary (smile).

Mark


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gordon
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 5:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Charging Your New Phone, Anyone?

It's not good to leave the charger connected all the time. This is why Apple 
added that feature in battery settings called optimized charging. 
This learns your sleep habits and keeps your battery at 80 percent for most of 
the night and kicks in and finishes charging up to 100 percent before you wake 
up. Lithium ion batteries don't like stress. They are under the most stress 
when fully charged at 100 percent and below about
15 percent. So that's why Apple says keeping your battery between these points 
is best for long life.

On 12/27/2022 5:59 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> Okay, based on my research I cannot find any Apple articles that 
> discouraged leaving an iPhone 14 on a charger, when not in use.
>
> You old-timers will recall that, once upon a time, it was recommended 
> that one not leave a phone on a charger, when not in use, full-time.
> It was thought that doing so would shorten the life of the battery.
>
> I found an Apple community thread that discusses this and the 
> conclusion is that leaving a 14 attached to a charger, when not in 
> use, will, in no way damage or shorten the life of the battery.
>
> Question:  Does anyone have any credible statements / sources to the 
> contrary?  If so, please post them as this can make a difference to 
> the life of the battery, in the long run.
>
> Unlike in the past, I want to consider all aspects of keeping my 
> iPhone battery healthy from the very beginning.
>
> All replies greatly appreciated.
>
> Mark
>

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RE: Charging Your New Phone, Anyone?

[M. Taylor]

Hi Gordon,

Thank you for your post.  

So, if Apple added the optimized battery setting, then it would seem that even 
when the phone is connected to a charger, it will not charge to 100% even 
though the A/C current is available, or so I would think.  This would lead me 
to believe that leaving the phone connected to a charger would have no 
detrimental affect on the device.

Batteries, batteries, batteries.  It would seem that, even at the end of 2022, 
they are still the weakest link in the technology food chain.  I don't know; 
just a thought.

You know what?  In my mind, I think of batteries in the same way as I think of 
printers; boring but necessary (smile).

Mark


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gordon
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 5:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Charging Your New Phone, Anyone?

It's not good to leave the charger connected all the time. This is why Apple 
added that feature in battery settings called optimized charging. 
This learns your sleep habits and keeps your battery at 80 percent for most of 
the night and kicks in and finishes charging up to 100 percent before you wake 
up. Lithium ion batteries don't like stress. They are under the most stress 
when fully charged at 100 percent and below about
15 percent. So that's why Apple says keeping your battery between these points 
is best for long life.

On 12/27/2022 5:59 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> Okay, based on my research I cannot find any Apple articles that 
> discouraged leaving an iPhone 14 on a charger, when not in use.
>
> You old-timers will recall that, once upon a time, it was recommended 
> that one not leave a phone on a charger, when not in use, full-time.  
> It was thought that doing so would shorten the life of the battery.
>
> I found an Apple community thread that discusses this and the 
> conclusion is that leaving a 14 attached to a charger, when not in 
> use, will, in no way damage or shorten the life of the battery.
>
> Question:  Does anyone have any credible statements / sources to the 
> contrary?  If so, please post them as this can make a difference to 
> the life of the battery, in the long run.
>
> Unlike in the past, I want to consider all aspects of keeping my 
> iPhone battery healthy from the very beginning.
>
> All replies greatly appreciated.
>
> Mark
>

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RE: Charging Your New Phone, Anyone?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Alan,

Great advice.  I just checked and the optimize battery life is enabled.

I am having fun tweaking the new phone so that it is just right; you know me 
well (smile).  And actually, you're right, it is kind of fun exploring all of 
the new settings that were not available on my beloved 8 Plus.

Mark  

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From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 5:05 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Charging Your New Phone, Anyone?

Hi Mark,

I don't leave my iPhone 13 Mini on a charger when not in use but I do have it 
connected to a charger when I go to bed at night. I would recommend you go to 
Settings, Battery, Battery health and charging and make sure Optimized battery 
charging is turned on. On that same screen, you can check what your battery's 
maximum capacity is and mine is at 94% after a year and two months of use which 
I'm satisfied with.

Enjoy your new iPhone 14 Pro and all the best getting it customized exactly to 
your liking.

Alan Lemly

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Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 5:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Charging Your New Phone, Anyone?

Hello All,

Okay, based on my research I cannot find any Apple articles that discouraged 
leaving an iPhone 14 on a charger, when not in use.

You old-timers will recall that, once upon a time, it was recommended that one 
not leave a phone on a charger, when not in use, full-time.  It was thought 
that doing so would shorten the life of the battery.

I found an Apple community thread that discusses this and the conclusion is 
that leaving a 14 attached to a charger, when not in use, will, in no way 
damage or shorten the life of the battery.

Question:  Does anyone have any credible statements / sources to the contrary?  
If so, please post them as this can make a difference to the life of the 
battery, in the long run.

Unlike in the past, I want to consider all aspects of keeping my iPhone battery 
healthy from the very beginning.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark

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RE: Charging Your New Phone, Anyone?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Andy,

Yes, I have noticed the difference in the temp of the charging brick.  Hmm!  
Interesting.  Thank you for posting this.

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 5:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Charging Your New Phone, Anyone?

I believe that the old advice you are referring to was in regard to NiCad 
batteries, which for the most part are no longer in use. The Lithium Ion 
batteries used today are much more forgiving, and as far as I know, will not be 
damaged by staying on a charger.
Also, the chargers used today are smarter, in that they contain a chip that 
will stop current when the battery reaches a full charge.
If you touch your Apple charging brick while it is charging, it feels very 
warm, but after the charge is complete it is cold. This is because it is no 
longer passing current to the battery.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: "M. Taylor" 
To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:59 PM
Subject: Charging Your New Phone, Anyone?


> Hello All,
>
> Okay, based on my research I cannot find any Apple articles that 
> discouraged
> leaving an iPhone 14 on a charger, when not in use.
>
> You old-timers will recall that, once upon a time, it was recommended that
> one not leave a phone on a charger, when not in use, full-time.  It was
> thought that doing so would shorten the life of the battery.
>
> I found an Apple community thread that discusses this and the conclusion 
> is
> that leaving a 14 attached to a charger, when not in use, will, in no way
> damage or shorten the life of the battery.
>
> Question:  Does anyone have any credible statements / sources to the
> contrary?  If so, please post them as this can make a difference to the 
> life
> of the battery, in the long run.
>
> Unlike in the past, I want to consider all aspects of keeping my iPhone
> battery healthy from the very beginning.
>
> All replies greatly appreciated.
>
> Mark
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Re: Charging Your New Phone, Anyone?

[Gordon]

It's not good to leave the charger connected all the time. This is why 
Apple added that feature in battery settings called optimized charging. 
This learns your sleep habits and keeps your battery at 80 percent for 
most of the night and kicks in and finishes charging up to 100 percent 
before you wake up. Lithium ion batteries don't like stress. They are 
under the most stress when fully charged at 100 percent and below about 
15 percent. So that's why Apple says keeping your battery between these 
points is best for long life.


On 12/27/2022 5:59 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

Hello All,

Okay, based on my research I cannot find any Apple articles that discouraged
leaving an iPhone 14 on a charger, when not in use.

You old-timers will recall that, once upon a time, it was recommended that
one not leave a phone on a charger, when not in use, full-time.  It was
thought that doing so would shorten the life of the battery.

I found an Apple community thread that discusses this and the conclusion is
that leaving a 14 attached to a charger, when not in use, will, in no way
damage or shorten the life of the battery.

Question:  Does anyone have any credible statements / sources to the
contrary?  If so, please post them as this can make a difference to the life
of the battery, in the long run.

Unlike in the past, I want to consider all aspects of keeping my iPhone
battery healthy from the very beginning.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark



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Re: Charging Your New Phone, Anyone?

[Andy Baracco]

I believe that the old advice you are referring to was in regard to NiCad 
batteries, which for the most part are no longer in use. The Lithium Ion 
batteries used today are much more forgiving, and as far as I know, will not 
be damaged by staying on a charger.
Also, the chargers used today are smarter, in that they contain a chip that 
will stop current when the battery reaches a full charge.
If you touch your Apple charging brick while it is charging, it feels very 
warm, but after the charge is complete it is cold. This is because it is no 
longer passing current to the battery.


Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "M. Taylor" 

To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:59 PM
Subject: Charging Your New Phone, Anyone?



Hello All,

Okay, based on my research I cannot find any Apple articles that 
discouraged

leaving an iPhone 14 on a charger, when not in use.

You old-timers will recall that, once upon a time, it was recommended that
one not leave a phone on a charger, when not in use, full-time.  It was
thought that doing so would shorten the life of the battery.

I found an Apple community thread that discusses this and the conclusion 
is

that leaving a 14 attached to a charger, when not in use, will, in no way
damage or shorten the life of the battery.

Question:  Does anyone have any credible statements / sources to the
contrary?  If so, please post them as this can make a difference to the 
life

of the battery, in the long run.

Unlike in the past, I want to consider all aspects of keeping my iPhone
battery healthy from the very beginning.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark

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Charging Your New Phone, Anyone?

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

Okay, based on my research I cannot find any Apple articles that discouraged
leaving an iPhone 14 on a charger, when not in use.

You old-timers will recall that, once upon a time, it was recommended that
one not leave a phone on a charger, when not in use, full-time.  It was
thought that doing so would shorten the life of the battery.

I found an Apple community thread that discusses this and the conclusion is
that leaving a 14 attached to a charger, when not in use, will, in no way
damage or shorten the life of the battery.

Question:  Does anyone have any credible statements / sources to the
contrary?  If so, please post them as this can make a difference to the life
of the battery, in the long run.

Unlike in the past, I want to consider all aspects of keeping my iPhone
battery healthy from the very beginning.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark

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RE: Is it safe to remove phone from list

[M. Taylor]

Hello Max,

Wow!  I am so surprised at your reply from Apple.

There was a time when Apple maintained a list of stolen phones which would 
prevent the phone from being activated.

In fact, a friend of mine purchased a phone off of Craigslist and when we tried 
to activate it, it failed to do so.

When I called Apple, on his behalf, I was told that the phone, based on the 
IMEI number, had been placed on a special list because it had been reported as 
stolen.  Granted, this was many, many years ago but I find it difficult to 
believe that this system has been abandoned.  

I agree with you that the phone has, more likely than not, been abandoned as 
the thief could not activate it but, still, perhaps you should consider erasing 
the device?  I believe that if you elect to erase the phone, then, when next 
powered on, it will automatically erase itself but still be tied to your 
account.

As I think about this, were I in your situation, I would erase the phone and 
leave it on my account for, at least, 1 year or so.  Then, after that, I might, 
might remove it from my account.  As far as I know, leaving it associated with 
your account is not hurting anything and does not pose a security risk to you.  

Just some food for thought.

Mark

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Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 2:34 PM
To: viphone 
Subject: Re: Is it safe to remove phone from list

Hi Mark and all.
Well the call to Apple did not offer any real help.
They did not offer any service after the phone was stolen regarding putting it 
on a list. The lady I spoke to just said what ever I do it will just rely on 
the pass code.  So I will remove it from my iCloud account so at that will be 
safe. If they still have it  they can set it up as new!. After 8 months I doubt 
it. Probably broken up for parts by now.
Thanks all.
Max.

> On 27 Dec 2022, at 13:58, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Max,
> 
> Ah!  I see.
> 
> In such an instance, then I would call Apple and report the device as having 
> been stolen.  They will place it on a special list that will prevent the 
> device from being reactivated.  Do not remove the device from your account 
> until you speak to Someone at Apple who will advise you on how best to 
> proceed.
> 
> I am sorry that her phone was stolen;  What a terrible thing to happen.
> 
> Should you decide to contact Apple and report the phone as having been 
> stolen, please let us know your experience with Apple on this so that others 
> who may have a similar incident will no how best to proceed.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Agent086b
> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 6:47 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Is it safe to remove phone from list
> 
> Sorry I was not clear. We have never got the phone back. I left it to erase 
> if the tried to connect to a network.
> Max.
> Max.
>> On 27 Dec 2022, at 10:45, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> To be honest, I do not know why you would want to remove your wife's phone 
>> from your account unless, of course, you want to add it to her account.  
>> 
>> If you remove her phone from your iCloud account, the phone will still have 
>> the 6-digit unlock code on the device, itself.
>> 
>> What the message is indicating is that, if not attached to your iCloud 
>> account, then if someone knows the 6-digit unlock code, then they could add 
>> it to their iCloud account; which would be the natural scenario were the 
>> phone sold or stolen.
>> 
>> So, ideally, you will want to remove the phone from your iCloud account and 
>> then register it with another iCloud account as soon as possible.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Agent086b
>> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 3:35 PM
>> To: viphone 
>> Subject: Is it safe to remove phone from list
>> 
>> Hi, earlier this year my wife had her iPhone stolen. 
>> I went into find my and set her phone to erase. It already had a 6 digit 
>> lock code . This was around April May this year. I thought I would remove 
>> from my iCloud account. When I think of doing I get a notification saying if 
>> I do this the phone can be activated by somebody else. If I do delete it 
>> will the lock code still be active?
>> Thanks for any help on this one.
>> Max.
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Re: Accessibility of music service aps

['Mervin Keck III' via VIPhone]

I use YouTube Premium because the YouTube Music works so well with Sonos and also with my Mac, iPhone, and Windows platforms.MervOn Dec 27, 2022, at 6:30 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:







Thanks! I forgot to mention in my earlier post that Deezer seems to have some accessibility issues. When selecting artists for example, I couldn’t tell the state of the artist, e.g. I didn’t hear selected or unselected. I’m not sure if
 that will get in the way of my use of Deezer or not.
 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Delia Avina
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 5:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessibility of music service aps


 
Hi Christopher,

Spotify is pretty accessible in my opinion.


It works well with google and alexa.

Sent from my iPod






On Dec 27, 2022, at 5:05 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:




 
I’m shopping around for a new music service. It looks like right now I’m deciding between Spotify, Deezer and Amazon Music. I’ll play around with each as much as I can, but I’m wondering if anyone wants to share their opinions on the accessibility
 of the apps for these services.
 
Right now I’m using YouTube Music, which I like, but I’m looking for something that will be supported on more of the platforms I’m starting to use. I just bought a Sonos Roam, and I have a Denon receiver running HEOS. I also have smart
 speakers right now from Amazon, Google and Apple. I know I can use Airplay and Chromecast, but a service or assistant that supports these services would be a nice to have.
 
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RE: Accessibility of music service aps

[Christopher Chaltain]

Thanks! I forgot to mention in my earlier post that Deezer seems to have some 
accessibility issues. When selecting artists for example, I couldn’t tell the 
state of the artist, e.g. I didn’t hear selected or unselected. I’m not sure if 
that will get in the way of my use of Deezer or not.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Delia 
Avina
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 5:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessibility of music service aps

Hi Christopher,
Spotify is pretty accessible in my opinion.
It works well with google and alexa.
Sent from my iPod


On Dec 27, 2022, at 5:05 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I’m shopping around for a new music service. It looks like right now I’m 
deciding between Spotify, Deezer and Amazon Music. I’ll play around with each 
as much as I can, but I’m wondering if anyone wants to share their opinions on 
the accessibility of the apps for these services.

Right now I’m using YouTube Music, which I like, but I’m looking for something 
that will be supported on more of the platforms I’m starting to use. I just 
bought a Sonos Roam, and I have a Denon receiver running HEOS. I also have 
smart speakers right now from Amazon, Google and Apple. I know I can use 
Airplay and Chromecast, but a service or assistant that supports these services 
would be a nice to have.

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Re: Accessibility of music service aps

[Delia Avina]

Hi Christopher,
Spotify is pretty accessible in my opinion.
It works well with google and alexa.

Sent from my iPod

> On Dec 27, 2022, at 5:05 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I’m shopping around for a new music service. It looks like right now I’m 
> deciding between Spotify, Deezer and Amazon Music. I’ll play around with each 
> as much as I can, but I’m wondering if anyone wants to share their opinions 
> on the accessibility of the apps for these services.
>  
> Right now I’m using YouTube Music, which I like, but I’m looking for 
> something that will be supported on more of the platforms I’m starting to 
> use. I just bought a Sonos Roam, and I have a Denon receiver running HEOS. I 
> also have smart speakers right now from Amazon, Google and Apple. I know I 
> can use Airplay and Chromecast, but a service or assistant that supports 
> these services would be a nice to have.
>  
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Accessibility of music service aps

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'm shopping around for a new music service. It looks like right now I'm 
deciding between Spotify, Deezer and Amazon Music. I'll play around with each 
as much as I can, but I'm wondering if anyone wants to share their opinions on 
the accessibility of the apps for these services.

Right now I'm using YouTube Music, which I like, but I'm looking for something 
that will be supported on more of the platforms I'm starting to use. I just 
bought a Sonos Roam, and I have a Denon receiver running HEOS. I also have 
smart speakers right now from Amazon, Google and Apple. I know I can use 
Airplay and Chromecast, but a service or assistant that supports these services 
would be a nice to have.

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Re: Is it safe to remove phone from list

[Agent086b]

Hi Mark and all.
Well the call to Apple did not offer any real help.
They did not offer any service after the phone was stolen regarding putting it 
on a list. The lady I spoke to just said what ever I do it will just rely on 
the pass code.  So I will remove it from my iCloud account so at that will be 
safe. If they still have it  they can set it up as new!. After 8 months I doubt 
it. Probably broken up for parts by now.
Thanks all.
Max.

> On 27 Dec 2022, at 13:58, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Max,
> 
> Ah!  I see.
> 
> In such an instance, then I would call Apple and report the device as having 
> been stolen.  They will place it on a special list that will prevent the 
> device from being reactivated.  Do not remove the device from your account 
> until you speak to Someone at Apple who will advise you on how best to 
> proceed.
> 
> I am sorry that her phone was stolen;  What a terrible thing to happen.
> 
> Should you decide to contact Apple and report the phone as having been 
> stolen, please let us know your experience with Apple on this so that others 
> who may have a similar incident will no how best to proceed.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Agent086b
> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 6:47 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Is it safe to remove phone from list
> 
> Sorry I was not clear. We have never got the phone back. I left it to erase 
> if the tried to connect to a network.
> Max.
> Max.
>> On 27 Dec 2022, at 10:45, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> To be honest, I do not know why you would want to remove your wife's phone 
>> from your account unless, of course, you want to add it to her account.  
>> 
>> If you remove her phone from your iCloud account, the phone will still have 
>> the 6-digit unlock code on the device, itself.
>> 
>> What the message is indicating is that, if not attached to your iCloud 
>> account, then if someone knows the 6-digit unlock code, then they could add 
>> it to their iCloud account; which would be the natural scenario were the 
>> phone sold or stolen.
>> 
>> So, ideally, you will want to remove the phone from your iCloud account and 
>> then register it with another iCloud account as soon as possible.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Agent086b
>> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 3:35 PM
>> To: viphone 
>> Subject: Is it safe to remove phone from list
>> 
>> Hi, earlier this year my wife had her iPhone stolen. 
>> I went into find my and set her phone to erase. It already had a 6 digit 
>> lock code . This was around April May this year. I thought I would remove 
>> from my iCloud account. When I think of doing I get a notification saying if 
>> I do this the phone can be activated by somebody else. If I do delete it 
>> will the lock code still be active?
>> Thanks for any help on this one.
>> Max.
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RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

[Katrina Anderson]

Good food for thought Sieghard.  I didn't know there is a Resideo  (spelling
taken from a recent message from TCC) app.  Although it might not work with
my thermostat, out of curiosity, perhaps I'll check the Resideo app out.
Some time ago, a notification about a name change to Resideo was received,
but I didn't need to change/do anything.  Perhaps new customers will need to
use a different app, but I continue to use the Total Connect Comfort (TCC)
app with great success.  I still receive messages, alerts, etc. from TCC.
The bottom of these messages include reference to Resideo, but there is also
reference to Honeywell and TCC.  As mentioned in a separate message, I
acquired this Honeywell thermostat 7.5 years ago, so it may no longer be
available.

Katrina  
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Keep in mind there are two apps, the Total Connect Comfort and Residio and
at least to my knowledge Residio is where Honeywell is going with the other
one being older devices. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
Taylor
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 5:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Hello Katrina,

Thank you so much for confirming that the Honeywell app, for iOS, is
VoiceOver compatible and that the Honeywell devices can be managed by Amazon
Alexa.  This is great info.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Katrina Anderson
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 4:52 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Hi Mark,

I have a Honeywell thermostat, which I access via Alexa to perform basic
functions.  Yes, I had to register with Honeywell and/or Total Connect
Comfort (TCC), but I don't recall the process being difficult.  I've had
this thermostat for several years, and only recently discovered it could be
accessed via Alexa.  The process of connecting Alexa to the device was easy
as I recall.

The thermostat can be accessed via the TCC app, which is very accessible
via voiceover.  When I first got the thermostat years ago, before I found
out about the app, JAWS had trouble accessing all features (e.g. programming
the device), so I relied on sighted help.  However, JAWS had no problem at
all with the website when I tried a year or so ago.  Rarely go to the
website though as the TCC app is great for programming, etc.  And, again
Alexa does a great job with the basics like ID of indoor temperature,
changing the temperature, etc.

HTH

Katrina 

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
Taylor
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 5:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Hello Everyone,

Okay, I know that I have asked this question before but, now that I must
buy a new thermostat for my home, within the next week or so, as my 32 year
old model is starting to fail on a virtually daily basis, what Alexa
compatible thermostat do you either recommend and / or are currently using?

I am aware of the Nest brand models; I thought they were Google-only models
but I think they also can work with Alexa, right?  Does anyone have any
experience with Nest / Alexa compatibility?  

Also, I know that Honeywell makes Alexa models but, from what I have read
on the web, today, one must setup an online account with Honeywell before
the device can be used with Alexa.  That sounds like a lot of trouble to me;
maybe.

The only thing I know for certain is that I want a model that will work
with Amazon Alexa, out of the box, because I do not want to use a
third-party app, is I can avoid doing so.

I have come to trust the Alexa app for iOS and iPad OS.

Mark


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Re: Google chat

[Alex Stone]

Unfortunately, even the relatively simple process of logging in seems to be 
inaccessible with the latest version of the app with the latest iOS 16.2

Sent from my iPhone

> On 27 Dec 2022, at 10:01, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
> 
> Google chat works quite well with vo what is your ishu?
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Stone
> Sent: December 26, 2022 8:42 PM
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> Subject: Google chat
> 
> Anybody got any tips?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

[Wayne Scott]

I highly recommendthe Sensi thermostat. It works with both Alexa and iPhone.  

Wayne Scott  
 

> On Dec 27, 2022, at 2:23 PM, Katrina Anderson  
> wrote:
> 
> My Honeywell programmable thermostat has buttons around the visual display.  
> I am able to do some basic things without the Internet, app or Alexa, but 
> since I am totally blind, I have to rely on good notes (not enough space for 
> braille labels).  I am very pleased with this thermostat, and what is 
> especially cool is that I had nothing to do with selecting it.  The 
> thermostat was selected/installed by the company/workers who installed a new 
> furnace and AC 7.5 years ago.  In case it would prove helpful, details about 
> my thermostat follow:
> Honeywell Thermostat Model and/or Serial #:  Focus Pro TH6320WF
> Above based on the Model 6000
> 
> Katrina
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 2:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?
> 
> Honeywell T9 or T10 would probably be my choice, we have a Honeywell T5 which 
> has long since been discontinued, but it works well although it is a touch 
> screen thermostat so if for some reason your internet goes down you would 
> have a hard time setting anything on it, but I believe many smart thermostats 
> would be the same way.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 2:01 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Okay, I know that I have asked this question before but, now that I must buy 
> a new thermostat for my home, within the next week or so, as my 32 year old 
> model is starting to fail on a virtually daily basis, what Alexa compatible 
> thermostat do you either recommend and / or are currently using?
> 
> I am aware of the Nest brand models; I thought they were Google-only models 
> but I think they also can work with Alexa, right?  Does anyone have any 
> experience with Nest / Alexa compatibility?  
> 
> Also, I know that Honeywell makes Alexa models but, from what I have read on 
> the web, today, one must setup an online account with Honeywell before the 
> device can be used with Alexa.  That sounds like a lot of trouble to me; 
> maybe.
> 
> The only thing I know for certain is that I want a model that will work with 
> Amazon Alexa, out of the box, because I do not want to use a third-party app, 
> is I can avoid doing so.
> 
> I have come to trust the Alexa app for iOS and iPad OS.
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Air Pods 2nd generation

[Delia Avina]

Hi William,
You need to open the case near the back of the phone to start pairing.
Let me know if you need more help.

Sent from my iPod

> On Dec 27, 2022, at 12:13 PM, William Outman  wrote:
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> Just bought Air Pods 2nd generation today. 
> Is there anything about pairing and operation I need to know that isn’t 
> obvious. I am also planning to carry these over to the phone upgrade whenever 
> that happens. 
> Bill 
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Re: Is it safe to remove phone from list

[Agent086b]

Thanks Mark,
the handbag, drivers licence cash and more. Never to be seen again!!! I will 
let the list know how I get on.
Max.

> On 27 Dec 2022, at 13:58, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Max,
> 
> Ah!  I see.
> 
> In such an instance, then I would call Apple and report the device as having 
> been stolen.  They will place it on a special list that will prevent the 
> device from being reactivated.  Do not remove the device from your account 
> until you speak to Someone at Apple who will advise you on how best to 
> proceed.
> 
> I am sorry that her phone was stolen;  What a terrible thing to happen.
> 
> Should you decide to contact Apple and report the phone as having been 
> stolen, please let us know your experience with Apple on this so that others 
> who may have a similar incident will no how best to proceed.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Agent086b
> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 6:47 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Is it safe to remove phone from list
> 
> Sorry I was not clear. We have never got the phone back. I left it to erase 
> if the tried to connect to a network.
> Max.
> Max.
>> On 27 Dec 2022, at 10:45, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> To be honest, I do not know why you would want to remove your wife's phone 
>> from your account unless, of course, you want to add it to her account.  
>> 
>> If you remove her phone from your iCloud account, the phone will still have 
>> the 6-digit unlock code on the device, itself.
>> 
>> What the message is indicating is that, if not attached to your iCloud 
>> account, then if someone knows the 6-digit unlock code, then they could add 
>> it to their iCloud account; which would be the natural scenario were the 
>> phone sold or stolen.
>> 
>> So, ideally, you will want to remove the phone from your iCloud account and 
>> then register it with another iCloud account as soon as possible.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Agent086b
>> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 3:35 PM
>> To: viphone 
>> Subject: Is it safe to remove phone from list
>> 
>> Hi, earlier this year my wife had her iPhone stolen. 
>> I went into find my and set her phone to erase. It already had a 6 digit 
>> lock code . This was around April May this year. I thought I would remove 
>> from my iCloud account. When I think of doing I get a notification saying if 
>> I do this the phone can be activated by somebody else. If I do delete it 
>> will the lock code still be active?
>> Thanks for any help on this one.
>> Max.
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RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

[Katrina Anderson]

My Honeywell programmable thermostat has buttons around the visual display.  I 
am able to do some basic things without the Internet, app or Alexa, but since I 
am totally blind, I have to rely on good notes (not enough space for braille 
labels).  I am very pleased with this thermostat, and what is especially cool 
is that I had nothing to do with selecting it.  The thermostat was 
selected/installed by the company/workers who installed a new furnace and AC 
7.5 years ago.  In case it would prove helpful, details about my thermostat 
follow:
Honeywell Thermostat Model and/or Serial #:  Focus Pro TH6320WF
Above based on the Model 6000

Katrina
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 2:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Honeywell T9 or T10 would probably be my choice, we have a Honeywell T5 which 
has long since been discontinued, but it works well although it is a touch 
screen thermostat so if for some reason your internet goes down you would have 
a hard time setting anything on it, but I believe many smart thermostats would 
be the same way.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 2:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Hello Everyone,

Okay, I know that I have asked this question before but, now that I must buy a 
new thermostat for my home, within the next week or so, as my 32 year old model 
is starting to fail on a virtually daily basis, what Alexa compatible 
thermostat do you either recommend and / or are currently using?

I am aware of the Nest brand models; I thought they were Google-only models but 
I think they also can work with Alexa, right?  Does anyone have any experience 
with Nest / Alexa compatibility?  

Also, I know that Honeywell makes Alexa models but, from what I have read on 
the web, today, one must setup an online account with Honeywell before the 
device can be used with Alexa.  That sounds like a lot of trouble to me; maybe.

The only thing I know for certain is that I want a model that will work with 
Amazon Alexa, out of the box, because I do not want to use a third-party app, 
is I can avoid doing so.

I have come to trust the Alexa app for iOS and iPad OS.

Mark


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connecting external devices to Iphone or Ipad

[Joe Paton]

Hello, 
Looking through apple's on-line resources, usb and flash card readers
can be connected via the camera kit, and those that may require more
power need the camera kit 3.  So this kit provides connectivity to
either lightening ports, or usb 3 in the cases of recent iphones and
ipads. 

Apples guidelines say that these kits can facilitate usb or external drives, 
and or, flash drives.  What concerns me, is that although mention is made of 
the ability to view photo file types, no mention is made of accessing audio 
files. 
is there a connector either third partyy or via apple, connector that will 
allow me to access audio books on a USB device, or CF card reader connected to 
an iphone 12, or ipad with a usb 3 port? 

Sorry for the rambling nature of this question. 

Thanks. 
Happy new year to all. 

Joe 

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connecting external devices to iphone or ipad

[Joe Paton]

Hello,
Looking through apple's resources, usb and flash card readers can be 
connected via the camera kit, and those that may require more power need 
the camera kit 3.  So this kit provides connectivity to either 
lightening ports, or usb 3 in the cases of recent iphones and ipads.


Apples guidelines say that these kits can facilitate usb or external 
drives, and or, flash drives.  What concerns me, is that although 
mention is made of the ability to view photo file types, no mention is 
made of accessing audio files.
is there a connector either third partyy or via apple, connector that 
will allow me to access audio books on a USB device, or CF card reader 
connected to an iphone 12, or ipad with usb 3 ports?


Sorry for the rambling nature of this question.

Thanks.
Happy new year to all.

Joe

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Re: iPhone 14 cases

[Alex Stone]

I agree that it’s slower than a cable, but I wouldn’t call it slow.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 Dec 2022, at 09:38, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> I'm not a fan of magsafe cases.  Magsafe is very slow at charging my
> phone in my opinion.  Glad you like your new iPhone case.
> 
>> On 12/25/22, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> Hello Alex,
>> 
>> Well, here it is on Christmas Eve and I'm online (smile).
>> 
>> Actually, it has been a marvelous day.
>> 
>> To your question:  I just received my new MagSafe compatible leather folio
>> case via Amazon.
>> 
>> For the past 10 years or so I always use a leather folio case from Case
>> Mate.  This case has 4 credit card slots and a place for paper money.  The
>> cost is approximately $50.
>> 
>> If interested, just go to Amazon and search for iPhone 14 Pro Max folio case
>> and it will be in the list.  Just make sure the company is Case Mate.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alex
>> Stone
>> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2022 4:25 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: iPhone 14 cases
>> 
>> Further to our thread about the iPhone 14 pro max, has anyone found any good
>> cases for this phone? I don’t want a case with a battery.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Disappearing notes.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It would depend on which accounts you had setup on your own phone and if you 
have all of these accounts also on your new phone.
I, for example, have 3 accounts: there is iCloud, I then have my business email 
which is via Microsoft 365 and also my personal Outlook email also through 
Microsoft 365.
I can have notes under each account and as long as I set up all of these 
accounts on my next phone and make sure Notes is turned on under each account 
they should always be there as at least with Exchange and Microsoft 365 they 
are saved in the cloud just as is the case with my contacts. My iCloud notes 
also have never been an issue. I would first check to make sure Notes is turned 
on.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Barbara 
Stahl
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 10:50 AM
To: Viphone ; Viphone2 
Subject: Disappearing notes.

Hi list!  So I opened my notes app today in order to see a note that I had 
saved a long time ago, and I could not find it.  I had several notes from my 
old phone that I previously had no problems accessing on my new phone.  Now 
they are all gone, and I did not delete them.  does anyone know what could have 
happened to them or what I can do to find them again?  I am currently running 
iOS 15.7

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RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

[Kevin Minor]

Hi.

I learned my heat pump will work with the thermostat I'm getting, and 
maintenance will install it for me. All I have to do now is wait for it to 
arrive, and that should be Saturday.

Kevin and Jilly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

You definitely want to talk to an installer if you have a Heat pump since not 
all thermostats can handle them.
As for the C wire that is strictly a third wire which delivers power to the 
thermostat, I believe 12 or 24 Volts and you most likely have it.
My 26-year old gas furnace which when I bought the house had one of these $10 
or $15 thermostats with a physical slider only had 2-wire cables running to the 
thermostats, but the furnace has a terminal for the third wire so when I bought 
our Honeywell T5 smart thermostat I installed it where the old thermostat was 
which is downstairs and  more or less on the other side of the wall from the 
furnace so it was easy to just pull a 3-wire cable through the wall.
I am most likely getting rid of natural gas entirely next year switching to a 
high-efficiency cold climate heat pump with backup electric heat and at that 
point I will have to see which thermostat I can use. When I renovated the 
building where my retail store is located and installed 2 rooftop Anmerican 
Standard heat pump with natural gas backup units I had to also go with a 
thermostat from American Standard since any of the consumer models you 
typically see like Google Nest, Ecobee and so on were not compatible. However, 
the app is also accessible and it can also be connected to Alexa and/or Google 
Home so it really didn't matter.
I wish I could get away with only an air source heat pump, but where I live in 
northwestern British Columbia it unfortunately can get too cold for that to be 
an option and you still need a backup heat source which means either electric 
or natural gas. Our government really pushes electric and to get rid of natural 
gas altogether because British Columbia gets well over 90% of its power from 
hydro electric sources, primarily 2 and soon it will be 3 dams in a row on the 
Peace River in Northeastern BC so we have clean power and plenty of it. We also 
have a wood stove which I love to use when it's really cold as it's just the 
most pleasant and comfortable type of heat. The week before Christmas we had 
more than a week with temperatures of -30 to -35 Celsius at night (that's -22 
to -27 Fahrenheit) and during the day it rarely got warmer than -25 Celsius 
(-13 Fahrenheit) and here my setup works great, our thermostat is in the 
basement which is used rarely so we just set it to 16 Celsius (60 Fahrenheit), 
I then close all vents upstairs and run the woodstove which heats our open 
concept 1,100 square foot upstairs perfectly and the furnace comes on for maybe 
5 minutes once or twice an hour.

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Minor
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 8:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Hi.

I'm supposed to get one of these thermostats for Christmas, but the one I'm 
interested in requires a C wire to work. I don't know if that's common on heat 
pumps, or even what it's for. I'd appreciate information on this. My heat pump 
is about 15 years old, so it may not be a problem.

Thanks in advance for any information.

Kevin and Jilly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 9:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Yes. It works with the Alexa app. No need for the pricy thermostats. This one 
works great.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 7:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Hello Sarai,

This is most interesting.  So, the model is called the Amazon Basic Smart 
Thermostat?  The price is definitely right.  I will look it up.

Thank you, Sarai.

Mark

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Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 5:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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I have the amazon basics smart Thermostat. Cost $60 and works great.

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Anderson
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 6:52 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Hi Mark,

I have a Honeywell thermostat, which I access via Alexa to perform basic 
functions.  Yes, I had to register with Honeywell and/or Total Connect Comfort 

RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You definitely want to talk to an installer if you have a Heat pump since not 
all thermostats can handle them.
As for the C wire that is strictly a third wire which delivers power to the 
thermostat, I believe 12 or 24 Volts and you most likely have it.
My 26-year old gas furnace which when I bought the house had one of these $10 
or $15 thermostats with a physical slider only had 2-wire cables running to the 
thermostats, but the furnace has a terminal for the third wire so when I bought 
our Honeywell T5 smart thermostat I installed it where the old thermostat was 
which is downstairs and  more or less on the other side of the wall from the 
furnace so it was easy to just pull a 3-wire cable through the wall.
I am most likely getting rid of natural gas entirely next year switching to a 
high-efficiency cold climate heat pump with backup electric heat and at that 
point I will have to see which thermostat I can use. When I renovated the 
building where my retail store is located and installed 2 rooftop Anmerican 
Standard heat pump with natural gas backup units I had to also go with a 
thermostat from American Standard since any of the consumer models you 
typically see like Google Nest, Ecobee and so on were not compatible. However, 
the app is also accessible and it can also be connected to Alexa and/or Google 
Home so it really didn't matter.
I wish I could get away with only an air source heat pump, but where I live in 
northwestern British Columbia it unfortunately can get too cold for that to be 
an option and you still need a backup heat source which means either electric 
or natural gas. Our government really pushes electric and to get rid of natural 
gas altogether because British Columbia gets well over 90% of its power from 
hydro electric sources, primarily 2 and soon it will be 3 dams in a row on the 
Peace River in Northeastern BC so we have clean power and plenty of it. We also 
have a wood stove which I love to use when it's really cold as it's just the 
most pleasant and comfortable type of heat. The week before Christmas we had 
more than a week with temperatures of -30 to -35 Celsius at night (that's -22 
to -27 Fahrenheit) and during the day it rarely got warmer than -25 Celsius 
(-13 Fahrenheit) and here my setup works great, our thermostat is in the 
basement which is used rarely so we just set it to 16 Celsius (60 Fahrenheit), 
I then close all vents upstairs and run the woodstove which heats our open 
concept 1,100 square foot upstairs perfectly and the furnace comes on for maybe 
5 minutes once or twice an hour.

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Minor
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 8:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Hi.

I'm supposed to get one of these thermostats for Christmas, but the one I'm 
interested in requires a C wire to work. I don't know if that's common on heat 
pumps, or even what it's for. I'd appreciate information on this. My heat pump 
is about 15 years old, so it may not be a problem.

Thanks in advance for any information.

Kevin and Jilly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 9:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Yes. It works with the Alexa app. No need for the pricy thermostats. This one 
works great.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 7:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Hello Sarai,

This is most interesting.  So, the model is called the Amazon Basic Smart 
Thermostat?  The price is definitely right.  I will look it up.

Thank you, Sarai.

Mark

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Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 5:18 PM
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Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

I have the amazon basics smart Thermostat. Cost $60 and works great.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Katrina 
Anderson
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 6:52 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Hi Mark,

I have a Honeywell thermostat, which I access via Alexa to perform basic 
functions.  Yes, I had to register with Honeywell and/or Total Connect Comfort 
(TCC), but I don't recall the process being difficult.  I've had this 
thermostat for several years, and only recently discovered it could be accessed 
via Alexa.  The process of connecting Alexa to the device was easy as I recall.

The thermostat can be accessed via the TCC app, which is very accessible via 
voiceover.  When I first got the thermostat years ago, before I found out about 
the app, JAWS had trouble 

RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Keep in mind there are two apps, the Total Connect Comfort and Residio and at 
least to my knowledge Residio is where Honeywell is going with the other one 
being older devices. 

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Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 5:23 PM
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Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Hello Katrina,

Thank you so much for confirming that the Honeywell app, for iOS, is VoiceOver 
compatible and that the Honeywell devices can be managed by Amazon Alexa.  This 
is great info.

Mark

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Anderson
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 4:52 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Hi Mark,

I have a Honeywell thermostat, which I access via Alexa to perform basic 
functions.  Yes, I had to register with Honeywell and/or Total Connect Comfort 
(TCC), but I don't recall the process being difficult.  I've had this 
thermostat for several years, and only recently discovered it could be accessed 
via Alexa.  The process of connecting Alexa to the device was easy as I recall.

The thermostat can be accessed via the TCC app, which is very accessible via 
voiceover.  When I first got the thermostat years ago, before I found out about 
the app, JAWS had trouble accessing all features (e.g. programming the device), 
so I relied on sighted help.  However, JAWS had no problem at all with the 
website when I tried a year or so ago.  Rarely go to the website though as the 
TCC app is great for programming, etc.  And, again Alexa does a great job with 
the basics like ID of indoor temperature, changing the temperature, etc.

HTH

Katrina 

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Taylor
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 5:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Subject: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Hello Everyone,

Okay, I know that I have asked this question before but, now that I must buy a 
new thermostat for my home, within the next week or so, as my 32 year old model 
is starting to fail on a virtually daily basis, what Alexa compatible 
thermostat do you either recommend and / or are currently using?

I am aware of the Nest brand models; I thought they were Google-only models but 
I think they also can work with Alexa, right?  Does anyone have any experience 
with Nest / Alexa compatibility?  

Also, I know that Honeywell makes Alexa models but, from what I have read on 
the web, today, one must setup an online account with Honeywell before the 
device can be used with Alexa.  That sounds like a lot of trouble to me; maybe.

The only thing I know for certain is that I want a model that will work with 
Amazon Alexa, out of the box, because I do not want to use a third-party app, 
is I can avoid doing so.

I have come to trust the Alexa app for iOS and iPad OS.

Mark


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RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The Total Connect Comfort is an older thing for Honeywell, thermostats like the 
T10 use what initially was called the "Lyric" app, then it got renamed to 
"Honeywell Home" and a few months ago it got renamed again to "residio" which I 
believe is another company Honeywell bought.  

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Katrina 
Anderson
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 4:52 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Hi Mark,

I have a Honeywell thermostat, which I access via Alexa to perform basic 
functions.  Yes, I had to register with Honeywell and/or Total Connect Comfort 
(TCC), but I don't recall the process being difficult.  I've had this 
thermostat for several years, and only recently discovered it could be accessed 
via Alexa.  The process of connecting Alexa to the device was easy as I recall.

The thermostat can be accessed via the TCC app, which is very accessible via 
voiceover.  When I first got the thermostat years ago, before I found out about 
the app, JAWS had trouble accessing all features (e.g. programming the device), 
so I relied on sighted help.  However, JAWS had no problem at all with the 
website when I tried a year or so ago.  Rarely go to the website though as the 
TCC app is great for programming, etc.  And, again Alexa does a great job with 
the basics like ID of indoor temperature, changing the temperature, etc.

HTH

Katrina 

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From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
Taylor
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 5:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Hello Everyone,

Okay, I know that I have asked this question before but, now that I must buy a 
new thermostat for my home, within the next week or so, as my 32 year old model 
is starting to fail on a virtually daily basis, what Alexa compatible 
thermostat do you either recommend and / or are currently using?

I am aware of the Nest brand models; I thought they were Google-only models but 
I think they also can work with Alexa, right?  Does anyone have any experience 
with Nest / Alexa compatibility?  

Also, I know that Honeywell makes Alexa models but, from what I have read on 
the web, today, one must setup an online account with Honeywell before the 
device can be used with Alexa.  That sounds like a lot of trouble to me; maybe.

The only thing I know for certain is that I want a model that will work with 
Amazon Alexa, out of the box, because I do not want to use a third-party app, 
is I can avoid doing so.

I have come to trust the Alexa app for iOS and iPad OS.

Mark


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RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Honeywell T9 or T10 would probably be my choice, we have a Honeywell T5 which 
has long since been discontinued, but it works well although it is a touch 
screen thermostat so if for some reason your internet goes down you would have 
a hard time setting anything on it, but I believe many smart thermostats would 
be the same way.


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Subject: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Hello Everyone,

Okay, I know that I have asked this question before but, now that I must buy a 
new thermostat for my home, within the next week or so, as my 32 year old model 
is starting to fail on a virtually daily basis, what Alexa compatible 
thermostat do you either recommend and / or are currently using?

I am aware of the Nest brand models; I thought they were Google-only models but 
I think they also can work with Alexa, right?  Does anyone have any experience 
with Nest / Alexa compatibility?  

Also, I know that Honeywell makes Alexa models but, from what I have read on 
the web, today, one must setup an online account with Honeywell before the 
device can be used with Alexa.  That sounds like a lot of trouble to me; maybe.

The only thing I know for certain is that I want a model that will work with 
Amazon Alexa, out of the box, because I do not want to use a third-party app, 
is I can avoid doing so.

I have come to trust the Alexa app for iOS and iPad OS.

Mark


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RE: LOCATING AN APP ON THE IPHHONE SE

[Sieghard Weitzel]

There is no search field, you can either follow Christoper's steps to move to 
the app library or you can use 2 other ways:

1. Spotlight search: Touch any item on the home screen and then swipe down with 
3 fingers
2. Use handwriting: if you have handwriting in your rotor, turn the rotor to 
handwriting when you are on the home screen and type the first letter of the 
app you want, for example, if you write an "s", for me 17 apps show up, I can 
then either use a 2-finger swipe down to move through that list or write a 
second and, if I want a third character, each one will narrow the list further.

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Hi:

I'm not seeing the search field at the top of the screen. 

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There are several ways to do this, but what I do is to go to the App Library. 
You can get there by performing a three finger right from the last home page. 
Now you can flick around all of your installed apps until you find the app 
you're looking for. You can also perform a three finger up to sort your apps 
alphabetically or use the search field at the top of the screen.

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Good morning:

How do I get to the find button on the home screen so I can locate an App?

Thanks. 

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RE: how to make a conference call on an iphone

[Carolyn]

Just go back to Hide, Add, and Merge. You should be able to see that you have 
both parties. 

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Hello there,


This is the very first time I have made a conference call on my iPhone. Can 
anyone give me the steps on how to make a conference call with 1 person and a 
business.  Thank you so much and Happy New Year


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how to make a conference call on an iphone

[sb356...@gmail.com]

Hello there,


This is the very first time I have made a conference call on my iPhone.  
Can anyone give me the steps on how to make a conference call with 1 
person and a business.  Thank you so much and Happy New Year



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Air Pods 2nd generation

[William Outman]

Just bought Air Pods 2nd generation today. 
Is there anything about pairing and operation I need to know that isn’t 
obvious. I am also planning to carry these over to the phone upgrade whenever 
that happens. 
Bill 


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Siri and dictation tones

[William Outman]

Good morning. 
For about the last day I have not had my Siri and dictation tones for some 
reason. Dictation works but I cannot get acknowledgement Siri heard me say Hey 
Siri. 
That’s the only thing that seems amiss in a major way with my iPhone 8 Plus 
running iOS 16.2 
Checked the settings I could think of and restarted the phone.  All other 
sounds are fine. 
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RE: family sharing, apple music and what does the person getting the share see

[llumpkin]

She wants to write down what’s in my library so we can braille it out and 
choose music to play.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 9:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: family sharing, apple music and what does the person getting the 
share see

 

What device are you using to play the music?

We have Sonos, and I have home sharing enabled in iTunes, so my wife can access 
my entire library through Sonos.

Now, No extra cost for family sharing involved.

Through iTunes home sharing, you can share your library over your network.

Now, if you want her to have the same access to all of Apple music that is not 
part of your personal library from your CDs, and she is using her own Apple ID, 
and you pay for Apple music family sharing, she will have the same access to 
everything that you have. At least that is my understanding. Of course, always 
check with Apple to be sure.

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

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consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 





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  wrote:

Hi. I'm thinking of getting family sharing for apple music for my wife. What
will she have access too? I have ripped all of my CDs to itunes and also
have Itunes match so all of my rips have gone to the cloud for Alexa to
play. Will she be able to see all of my library? Thanks.


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RE: family sharing, apple music and what does the person getting the share see

[llumpkin]

She wants to see what is in my library so she can write it down. I believe 
alexa will play anything because the skill is logged into my itunes library.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 9:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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share see

 

What device are you using to play the music?

We have Sonos, and I have home sharing enabled in iTunes, so my wife can access 
my entire library through Sonos.

Now, No extra cost for family sharing involved.

Through iTunes home sharing, you can share your library over your network.

Now, if you want her to have the same access to all of Apple music that is not 
part of your personal library from your CDs, and she is using her own Apple ID, 
and you pay for Apple music family sharing, she will have the same access to 
everything that you have. At least that is my understanding. Of course, always 
check with Apple to be sure.

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 





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Hi. I'm thinking of getting family sharing for apple music for my wife. What
will she have access too? I have ripped all of my CDs to itunes and also
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RE: Google chat

[Dennis Long]

Tips for what?  What are you trying to accomplish?  Your message doesn't state 
that.

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Anybody got any tips?

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Re: The New Apple TV

[Pete Nalda]

If it is, in fact, an Apple TV 4K, yes, that button on the right is Siri.

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> On Dec 27, 2022, at 9:23 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> As for the charging port it is USB-C which is fantastic and I can't wait 
> until next year's iPhone finally will also have a USB-C port; it will be the 
> standard for many, many years to come.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Patti 
> Johnson
> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 11:30 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: The New Apple TV
> 
> Hello.  I got the new Apple tv for Christmas.  I had a friend over to help me 
> wit the hook up.   We didn't find and HDMI cable and the remote is not the 
> same as the older Apple tv I have, its charge port is bigger, so I can't use 
> my phone charger to charge it up.
> 
> I opened the box and fount at the bottom ov it two boxes and one is literally 
> glued to the bottom of the box everything came in, why would they do that?
> 
> Pardon me if I am misssing something here, but is there something I need to 
> know that makes the 4K Apple tv setup and remote different than the older 
> model?
> 
> This one has the button on the right of the remote, and I am assuming that is 
> the siri button?
> 
> What am I missing here?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Patti
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RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

[Kevin Minor]

Hi.

I'm supposed to get one of these thermostats for Christmas, but the one I'm 
interested in requires a C wire to work. I don't know if that's common on heat 
pumps, or even what it's for. I'd appreciate information on this. My heat pump 
is about 15 years old, so it may not be a problem.

Thanks in advance for any information.

Kevin and Jilly

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sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
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Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Yes. It works with the Alexa app. No need for the pricy thermostats. This one 
works great.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 7:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Hello Sarai,

This is most interesting.  So, the model is called the Amazon Basic Smart 
Thermostat?  The price is definitely right.  I will look it up.

Thank you, Sarai.

Mark

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I have the amazon basics smart Thermostat. Cost $60 and works great.

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Anderson
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 6:52 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Hi Mark,

I have a Honeywell thermostat, which I access via Alexa to perform basic 
functions.  Yes, I had to register with Honeywell and/or Total Connect Comfort 
(TCC), but I don't recall the process being difficult.  I've had this 
thermostat for several years, and only recently discovered it could be accessed 
via Alexa.  The process of connecting Alexa to the device was easy as I recall.

The thermostat can be accessed via the TCC app, which is very accessible via 
voiceover.  When I first got the thermostat years ago, before I found out about 
the app, JAWS had trouble accessing all features (e.g. programming the device), 
so I relied on sighted help.  However, JAWS had no problem at all with the 
website when I tried a year or so ago.  Rarely go to the website though as the 
TCC app is great for programming, etc.  And, again Alexa does a great job with 
the basics like ID of indoor temperature, changing the temperature, etc.

HTH

Katrina 

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Taylor
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Hello Everyone,

Okay, I know that I have asked this question before but, now that I must buy a 
new thermostat for my home, within the next week or so, as my 32 year old model 
is starting to fail on a virtually daily basis, what Alexa compatible 
thermostat do you either recommend and / or are currently using?

I am aware of the Nest brand models; I thought they were Google-only models but 
I think they also can work with Alexa, right?  Does anyone have any experience 
with Nest / Alexa compatibility?  

Also, I know that Honeywell makes Alexa models but, from what I have read on 
the web, today, one must setup an online account with Honeywell before the 
device can be used with Alexa.  That sounds like a lot of trouble to me; maybe.

The only thing I know for certain is that I want a model that will work with 
Amazon Alexa, out of the box, because I do not want to use a third-party app, 
is I can avoid doing so.

I have come to trust the Alexa app for iOS and iPad OS.

Mark


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Re: family sharing, apple music and what does the person getting the share see

[Richard Turner]

What device are you using to play the music?
We have Sonos, and I have home sharing enabled in iTunes, so my wife can access 
my entire library through Sonos.
Now, No extra cost for family sharing involved.
Through iTunes home sharing, you can share your library over your network.
Now, if you want her to have the same access to all of Apple music that is not 
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and you pay for Apple music family sharing, she will have the same access to 
everything that you have. At least that is my understanding. Of course, always 
check with Apple to be sure.




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consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
My web site: https://www.turner42.com


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> 
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> will she have access too? I have ripped all of my CDs to itunes and also
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RE: Mark on Face ID via iPhone 14 with iOS 16.2: Not bad; not bad at all

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hello Mark, I am not sure why Face Id on your iPhone 11 seemed unreliable, I 
have an iPhone 11 and it works almost flawlessly and for me at least it works 
better than Touch Id ever did and Touch Id for me also worked very well, but 
Face Id especially now that masks are not typically required any more is 
fantastic.

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Subject: Mark on Face ID via iPhone 14 with iOS 16.2: Not bad; not bad at all

Hello Everyone,

I think it is fair to say that no one was a bigger critic of Face ID than I.

However, I must admit that using Face ID on iPhone 14 has been much, much 
better than my experience than on iPhone 11. 

I cannot articulate how or why this is so but there is definitely a difference 
in how the systems feels between the two devices.

The funny thing is, two nights ago, when I went back to my beloved 8 Plus for a 
few minutes to check on an app, I found myself wanting to use Face ID gestures 
more than my beloved Touch ID.  It took me more than a few minutes to figure 
out why some of the gestures were not working on my beloved 8 Plus. When I 
realized that Touch ID was the method of choice on the old phone I couldn't 
stop laughing at how readily the brain can adapt to new techniques.

To those using Touch ID, I say keep doing so for as long as you can.
However I will add that on iPhone 14, at least, Face ID is not bad, not bad at 
all.  (smile).

Mark


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family sharing, apple music and what does the person getting the share see

[llumpkin]

Hi. I'm thinking of getting family sharing for apple music for my wife. What
will she have access too? I have ripped all of my CDs to itunes and also
have Itunes match so all of my rips have gone to the cloud for Alexa to
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RE: The New Apple TV

[Sieghard Weitzel]

For many people it won't really be an investment since USB-C is being adopted 
more and more as the universal standard for connectivity and charging and it's 
not like a wall charger or two and a few cables are going to break the bank.

-Original Message-
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Subject: RE: The New Apple TV

Hello Patti,

I have not done any research on the latest model of the Apple TV but I suspect 
that the difference in the size of the port, located  on the bottom of the Siri 
remote is because it is a USBC port and not a Lightening port.

Apple, slowly but surely is switching from Lightening to USBC because USBC is 
more compatible on a global stage.

You will have to purchase a new cable in order to charge your new Siri remote.

While I applaud Apple's adoption of a more universal standard, given my, 
already sizable investment in the Apple Orchard, switching from Lightening to 
USBC will be a bit costly.

Fortunately for me, as I use an Android phone, I already own a few USBC 
adaptors and cables.

As for how Apple packages the Apple TV?  You are not missing anything.  That is 
just the way it is.

Mark

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Subject: The New Apple TV

Hello.  I got the new Apple tv for Christmas.  I had a friend over to help me 
wit the hook up.   We didn't find and HDMI cable and the remote is not the same 
as the older Apple tv I have, its charge port is bigger, so I can't use my 
phone charger to charge it up.

I opened the box and fount at the bottom ov it two boxes and one is literally 
glued to the bottom of the box everything came in, why would they do that?

Pardon me if I am misssing something here, but is there something I need to 
know that makes the 4K Apple tv setup and remote different than the older model?

This one has the button on the right of the remote, and I am assuming that is 
the siri button?

What am I missing here?

Thanks.

Patti

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RE: The New Apple TV

[Sieghard Weitzel]

As for the charging port it is USB-C which is fantastic and I can't wait until 
next year's iPhone finally will also have a USB-C port; it will be the standard 
for many, many years to come.

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Johnson
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The New Apple TV

Hello.  I got the new Apple tv for Christmas.  I had a friend over to help me 
wit the hook up.   We didn't find and HDMI cable and the remote is not the same 
as the older Apple tv I have, its charge port is bigger, so I can't use my 
phone charger to charge it up.

I opened the box and fount at the bottom ov it two boxes and one is literally 
glued to the bottom of the box everything came in, why would they do that?

Pardon me if I am misssing something here, but is there something I need to 
know that makes the 4K Apple tv setup and remote different than the older model?

This one has the button on the right of the remote, and I am assuming that is 
the siri button?

What am I missing here?

Thanks.

Patti

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Re: Apple Watch 8

[Fanus Buys]

Hello list
Sorry, I should have been more specific. What I actually mean is if
someone found a way to hold the watch over the phone to bypass the
manual setup process?
Regards
Fanus


On 12/27/22, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> Yes, you can choose to pair the watch manually upon setup. You will have to
> enter a code to begin pairing process.
>
> TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!
>
>> On Dec 27, 2022, at 2:51 AM, Fanus Buys  wrote:
>>
>> Hello list
>> I consider to purchase this beast. With the first gen watch I
>> struggled to do the setup because I could not find the way to hold the
>> watch over the specific place on my phone. The manual setup was quite
>> complicated. Has Apple made this process more streamline for blind
>> users?
>> Regards
>> Fanus
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RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

[sarai.bucciarelli]

Yes you can technically use without Internet. You'd need Aira or Be My Eyes. 
Point of a smart thermostat is to use on Internet.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lelia 
Struve
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 10:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Hi all, a question about the Alexa enabled thermostats.   Do they all have a 
way not to be used with either Alexa or the internet?   Or for example, does 
the amazon one have a Braille overlay like the microwave does?  Thanks

Lelia 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 26, 2022, at 7:05 PM, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Yes. It works with the Alexa app. No need for the pricy thermostats. This 
> one works great.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 7:34 PM
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> Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?
> 
> Hello Sarai,
> 
> This is most interesting.  So, the model is called the Amazon Basic Smart 
> Thermostat?  The price is definitely right.  I will look it up.
> 
> Thank you, Sarai.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 5:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?
> 
> I have the amazon basics smart Thermostat. Cost $60 and works great.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Katrina Anderson
> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 6:52 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> I have a Honeywell thermostat, which I access via Alexa to perform basic 
> functions.  Yes, I had to register with Honeywell and/or Total Connect 
> Comfort (TCC), but I don't recall the process being difficult.  I've had this 
> thermostat for several years, and only recently discovered it could be 
> accessed via Alexa.  The process of connecting Alexa to the device was easy 
> as I recall.
> 
> The thermostat can be accessed via the TCC app, which is very accessible via 
> voiceover.  When I first got the thermostat years ago, before I found out 
> about the app, JAWS had trouble accessing all features (e.g. programming the 
> device), so I relied on sighted help.  However, JAWS had no problem at all 
> with the website when I tried a year or so ago.  Rarely go to the website 
> though as the TCC app is great for programming, etc.  And, again Alexa does a 
> great job with the basics like ID of indoor temperature, changing the 
> temperature, etc.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Katrina 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 5:01 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Okay, I know that I have asked this question before but, now that I must buy 
> a new thermostat for my home, within the next week or so, as my 32 year old 
> model is starting to fail on a virtually daily basis, what Alexa compatible 
> thermostat do you either recommend and / or are currently using?
> 
> I am aware of the Nest brand models; I thought they were Google-only models 
> but I think they also can work with Alexa, right?  Does anyone have any 
> experience with Nest / Alexa compatibility?  
> 
> Also, I know that Honeywell makes Alexa models but, from what I have read on 
> the web, today, one must setup an online account with Honeywell before the 
> device can be used with Alexa.  That sounds like a lot of trouble to me; 
> maybe.
> 
> The only thing I know for certain is that I want a model that will work with 
> Amazon Alexa, out of the box, because I do not want to use a third-party app, 
> is I can avoid doing so.
> 
> I have come to trust the Alexa app for iOS and iPad OS.
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Apple Watch 8

[Jennie Facer]

Yes, you can choose to pair the watch manually upon setup. You will have to 
enter a code to begin pairing process.

TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!

> On Dec 27, 2022, at 2:51 AM, Fanus Buys  wrote:
> 
> Hello list
> I consider to purchase this beast. With the first gen watch I
> struggled to do the setup because I could not find the way to hold the
> watch over the specific place on my phone. The manual setup was quite
> complicated. Has Apple made this process more streamline for blind
> users?
> Regards
> Fanus
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Re: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

[Tom Rash]

I have the Nest thermostat that works with our echo devices.  I don’t know the 
model.  We got it in 2016.

> On Dec 26, 2022, at 2:01 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Okay, I know that I have asked this question before but, now that I must buy
> a new thermostat for my home, within the next week or so, as my 32 year old
> model is starting to fail on a virtually daily basis, what Alexa compatible
> thermostat do you either recommend and / or are currently using?
> 
> I am aware of the Nest brand models; I thought they were Google-only models
> but I think they also can work with Alexa, right?  Does anyone have any
> experience with Nest / Alexa compatibility?  
> 
> Also, I know that Honeywell makes Alexa models but, from what I have read on
> the web, today, one must setup an online account with Honeywell before the
> device can be used with Alexa.  That sounds like a lot of trouble to me;
> maybe.
> 
> The only thing I know for certain is that I want a model that will work with
> Amazon Alexa, out of the box, because I do not want to use a third-party
> app, is I can avoid doing so.
> 
> I have come to trust the Alexa app for iOS and iPad OS.
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Apple Watch 8

[Ari Moisio]

Hello

Afaik (November 2022) not. In addition i didn't manage to use the family 
membership feature to setup the watch's mobile data.


I think but cannot verify that the watch will show some kind of code, QR 
or so, to capture with phone's camera.





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Subject: Apple Watch 8
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2022 11:51:20
From: Fanus Buys 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Hello list
I consider to purchase this beast. With the first gen watch I
struggled to do the setup because I could not find the way to hold the
watch over the specific place on my phone. The manual setup was quite
complicated. Has Apple made this process more streamline for blind
users?
Regards
Fanus




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RE: Google chat

[michv]

Google chat works quite well with vo what is your ishu?

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Stone
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Subject: Google chat

Anybody got any tips?

Sent from my iPhone

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Apple Watch 8

[Fanus Buys]

Hello list
I consider to purchase this beast. With the first gen watch I
struggled to do the setup because I could not find the way to hold the
watch over the specific place on my phone. The manual setup was quite
complicated. Has Apple made this process more streamline for blind
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Fanus

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