date:20230108

Wow, that sounds serious, mark, I think you need professional help 藍
I really like my phone and use it a lot although strictly by time I use it most 
for listening to Audible. But I have no issues putting it aside when we have 
company.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 10:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hi Deidra,

Yes, while I keep a healthy supply of Braille novels, magazines, and 
periodicals in my house, it can be challenging, from time-to-time, to 
disconnect from the web.

A couple of weeks ago, when in a hurry, a friend and I left my house heading to 
a store to do a bit of light shopping.  Halfway there, I realized that I had 
left my phone, at home.

It was all I could do to keep from having her turn the car around and returning 
to retrieve it.

While out, we decided to grab some lunch at a restaurant.

While we were out, I found myself fighting panic attacks at not having access 
to the internet.  Now I knew this was foolish; after all, I wasn't expecting 
any important phone calls, I knew that we would be heading back to the house 
within a couple of hours or so, etc.  Still, I found it most difficult to stay 
calm and pay attention to her.  

She kept asking, "Are you okay?"  

I told her that I had left my phone at home and that it was no big deal.  I 
soon discovered that, in my mind at least, it was, in fact, a tremendously 
large, big deal (smile).)

When, near the end of our meal, she suggested that we go to a park for a while, 
I all but screamed, "No!"  

I simply couldn't stand the thought of being separated from my phone, one 
minute longer.

So, yes, addicting, these devices can definitely be, to say the least.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
deidreandlou...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 6:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

These posts are great. You all are up on all that is out there. As for me, I 
can't wear any kind of ear pieces because they cause me sharp pain in my inner 
ear. I am glued to my phone day and night mostly because I text and read a lot, 
but I find if I do not turn my phone off at night, I sleep poorly because as 
soon as I wake in the night, I once more reach for the phone. I fall asleep 
again but if I leave the phone off I somehow sleep much better and wake less!
Round the clock entertainment these phone sure provide us. Does that 
spell distraction or cultural etification?

Smiling,

Deidre

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 1:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

I'd take a set of Airpods maybe if somebody gave them to me along with $20.
I hate having anything stuck inside my ear further than the wired Earpods, they 
happen to fit me great and I don't even have to push them in hard and they just 
stay in place.
I also wouldn't be caught dead spending the kind of money on two little things 
which only last 5 or 6 hours and which I am bound to loose sooner or later.
Now keep in mind that this is strictly my take, I know many of  you love them 
and that's fine, then of course if I did spend the money on them I'd also say I 
love them.
As for wearing something in bed when you most likely will fall asleep there is 
nothing better than those sleep headbands which have a set of very thin 
speakers on each side over your ear and a little control pod on  your forehead 
with 3 buttons for volume up/down and play/pause in the middle. Of course if 
you want to fall asleep to high fidelty music then these are not the right 
thing, but they are fine for audio books or, if you are into those sleep 
sounds, that would probably be just fine, but they are the most comfortable 
thing and I usually sleep on my side so I definitely know and I often wake up 
in the middle of the night with my Audible book happily playing and I then 
usually stop it, pull them off my head and thrown them on the side table. You 
can find them on Amazon, just make sure you do look for wireless ones because 
the original ones do have a 3.5mm cable and that of course is sucks. I think I 
paid around $30 Canadian for mine about 2 or 3 years ago and they still work 
great.
I also have an Aftershokz Open Com which I use in certain situations and 
another Bluetooth gadget I have is one of these around the neck speakers, they 
consist of a thick and relatively soft rubbery cable about as thick as your 
thumb and one each end is a speaker, one has the typical buttons to turn it 
on/off and for play/pause and volume up/down. I quite like using them at home 
when I am out in the summer in the garden or even while cooking, your audio is 
right there more or less in front of your shoulders and you can easily

RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Yes, Alan, I agree.

There is something weird about the Air Pods, Second Gen, and phone calls.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 10:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

I have to agree with Sieghard. I have the best success with wired Apple Earpods 
and consider them the best value of any earbuds I've consistently used. I have 
some second generation wireless Apple Airpods and while they're ok for 
listening to content, they mess up whenever I receive a phone call. And I still 
use my iPhone 13 Mini as a phone although it seems the phone app performs 
inconsistently when using Voiceover. I don't know if the issue is the 
microphone in the Airpods but I get the most consistent performance with the 
wired Apple Earpods. 

Alan Lemly

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 12:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

I'd take a set of Airpods maybe if somebody gave them to me along with $20.
I hate having anything stuck inside my ear further than the wired Earpods, they 
happen to fit me great and I don't even have to push them in hard and they just 
stay in place.
I also wouldn't be caught dead spending the kind of money on two little things 
which only last 5 or 6 hours and which I am bound to loose sooner or later.
Now keep in mind that this is strictly my take, I know many of  you love them 
and that's fine, then of course if I did spend the money on them I'd also say I 
love them.
As for wearing something in bed when you most likely will fall asleep there is 
nothing better than those sleep headbands which have a set of very thin 
speakers on each side over your ear and a little control pod on  your forehead 
with 3 buttons for volume up/down and play/pause in the middle. Of course if 
you want to fall asleep to high fidelty music then these are not the right 
thing, but they are fine for audio books or, if you are into those sleep 
sounds, that would probably be just fine, but they are the most comfortable 
thing and I usually sleep on my side so I definitely know and I often wake up 
in the middle of the night with my Audible book happily playing and I then 
usually stop it, pull them off my head and thrown them on the side table. You 
can find them on Amazon, just make sure you do look for wireless ones because 
the original ones do have a 3.5mm cable and that of course is sucks. I think I 
paid around $30 Canadian for mine about 2 or 3 years ago and they still work 
great.
I also have an Aftershokz Open Com which I use in certain situations and 
another Bluetooth gadget I have is one of these around the neck speakers, they 
consist of a thick and relatively soft rubbery cable about as thick as your 
thumb and one each end is a speaker, one has the typical buttons to turn it 
on/off and for play/pause and volume up/down. I quite like using them at home 
when I am out in the summer in the garden or even while cooking, your audio is 
right there more or less in front of your shoulders and you can easily reach up 
and pause or change the volume.for cert But I just bought a new set of 
Lightning Earpods because they are still my preferred headset, there is no lag 
and for $24.99 Canadian I get surprisingly good sounding earbuds. I probably go 
through a pair a year, sometimes a bit longer, but as I said, inexpensive, good 
and when I don't need them I roll them up around my hand and stick them into my 
pocket.

Best regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2023 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hello All,

I have long been a fan of Apple wired Ear Pods.  

I had to have my original beloved 8 Plus replaced, about a month prior to its 
warranty expiration because the audio function of the Lightening port went bad.

For the last 6-months or so, perhaps longer, while the Lightening port on my 
replacement 8 Plus still functioned as expected, it lost the ability to retain 
a cable, unassisted.  This is to say, when I hold the phone in portrait mode, 
perpendicular to the ground, any attached cable will fall out.  

I am certain that I was the blame for this as I used to frequently roll onto 
the phone, when sleeping; very often tangling  the cable with tension for hours 
at a time.  (How's that for too much information? (smile)).

My point, I am determined not to ruin the Lightening port on my 14.

With that in mind, I am doing my best to wing myself from the wired Ear Pods in 
favor of Apple Air Pods.

Even though I like Air Pods and they are definitely more convenient to use than 
the wired alternative, I still find myself reaching for the wired pair, more 
than anything else.

I was just wondering how many of

RE: Face ID and iOS 16.2 Help Please.. ease/

Mark, how often one has to enter your Pin I think is highly subjective. I know 
people who do a lot of manual labour and who said Touch Id never worked for 
them or at least not to the point where they even bothered with it because 
their fingers were always too dirty or scratched up for it. They don't have 
this issue with Face Id.
For myself Face Id works better and more reliably than Touch Id as well and I 
often go days without having to enter my Pin.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 7:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID and iOS 16.2 Help Please.. ease/

Hello Janet,

First, I am so sorry for your experience. It sounds horrible and very scary; at 
least, it would be scary to me to have to erase my phone in order to get it 
back to a functioning state.

Second, I have given your post a great deal of consideration.  Let me say that, 
regardless of what some would lead you to believe, for those of us who are 
visually impaired, Face ID is far from perfect.  

I am assuming that , like many of us, you cannot see the contents of the phone 
display when it is held at any distance from your face.  

If this is the case, then you are holding the device too close to your face 
when attempting to setup Face ID.  

It may also be the case that the lighting is either too low or not even enough, 
when setting up Face ID.

Were I you, I would ask a sighted person to assist during the Face ID setup 
process.  

In short, you will have to learn the approximate distance from your face, to 
hold the phone in order to use Face ID.  As many have reported in this 
community, this can be learned but, make no mistake, it does take time and 
practice.

Also keep in mind that even sighted users have to enter the device password 
more than was necessary when Touch ID was in vogue.  

So, I suggest that you keep a pair of headphones with you, when in public, just 
in case you need to enter the device password.

Please know that you have our support and try not to be too hard on yourself.  
Learning to use Face ID takes time.

Let us know how it goes, okay?

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 3:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Face ID and iOS 16.2 Help Please.. ease/

Hi Everyone. 
I finally upgraded to iOS 16.2  from iOS 15.7 on my XR phone, and I had to 
erase the entire phone in order to get back my phone calls in the recent folder 
of the Phone App.  All that so far is fine.  Another problem I am now having is 
I can’t set up Face ID.  When I  try to set it up, I keep getting a message 
saying my face is not in the frame, then I get a message saying Face ID can’t 
detect any sun glasses put on sun glasses and try again, but I’m not wearing 
glasses.  Sometimes I get the message saying move my head to the right, and 
then move my head to  the left, move my head up.  I then get a message saying 
30  percent. 65 percent move head up, I move my head and it says Face ID not 
available try again later.  I checked in the detention feature and it is off.  
Can someone please tell me is there a new way of setting up Face ID in iOS 
16.2? I feel this is a real security threat not being able to use Face ID.  
When I am around people, when I am in the store, when I am in the doctor’s 
office, I have to enter in my passcode using Voiceover, in which means everyone 
can hear my passcode.  

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.  

Janet 
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RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

This is great, Dennis, I'll check them out.

Thank you, also, for posting the link.

Mark

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From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 7:19 AM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

This is the headset I use it works very well.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XD3T21S/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_XETWZ17STCGPJ9WMMWQ5?_encoding=UTF8=1

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From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chris 
Chaffin
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 9:47 AM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

I have been wireless for over 2 years now and would not go back.  I have a pair 
of Airpods 2nd generation, really like them, and think they have a good sound.

That said, I would not recommend using them in bed before going to sleep.  I 
have tried this, and mine had the tendency to fall out when ever I rolled on my 
side.  Of coarse I knew they did not go far, but sometimes it was very 
difficult finding them within all of the covers on the bed.

I do recommend using wireless in bed so you can just lay your phone on a night 
table and not actually have it directly attached to you.  One wireless option 
is the Beats Flex.  The thing that would be good about wearing them in bed is 
because the buds are connected to a wire that goes around the back of your 
neck, so if one does happen to fall out, more than likely, they would still be 
hanging around your neck.

Hope this is helpful.

Chris

> On Jan 7, 2023, at 11:44 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I have long been a fan of Apple wired Ear Pods.  
> 
> I had to have my original beloved 8 Plus replaced, about a month prior 
> to its warranty expiration because the audio function of the 
> Lightening port went bad.
> 
> For the last 6-months or so, perhaps longer, while the Lightening port 
> on my replacement 8 Plus still functioned as expected, it lost the 
> ability to retain a cable, unassisted.  This is to say, when I hold 
> the phone in portrait mode, perpendicular to the ground, any attached 
> cable will fall out.
> 
> I am certain that I was the blame for this as I used to frequently 
> roll onto the phone, when sleeping; very often tangling  the cable 
> with tension for hours at a time.  (How's that for too much information? 
> (smile)).
> 
> My point, I am determined not to ruin the Lightening port on my 14.
> 
> With that in mind, I am doing my best to wing myself from the wired 
> Ear Pods in favor of Apple Air Pods.
> 
> Even though I like Air Pods and they are definitely more convenient to 
> use than the wired alternative, I still find myself reaching for the 
> wired pair, more than anything else.
> 
> I was just wondering how many of you have gone completely wireless 
> having all but abandoned the wired Ear Pods?
> 
> It is interesting because when I go to Best Buy, Target, Walmart, etc. 
> I always see wired Ear Pods, with either the Lightening or audio 
> connector, readily available.
> 
> All replies appreciated.
> 
> Mark
> 
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RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Very helpful, Chris, thank you.

Mark

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From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chris 
Chaffin
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 6:47 AM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?


I have been wireless for over 2 years now and would not go back.  I have a pair 
of Airpods 2nd generation, really like them, and think they have a good sound.

That said, I would not recommend using them in bed before going to sleep.  I 
have tried this, and mine had the tendency to fall out when ever I rolled on my 
side.  Of coarse I knew they did not go far, but sometimes it was very 
difficult finding them within all of the covers on the bed.

I do recommend using wireless in bed so you can just lay your phone on a night 
table and not actually have it directly attached to you.  One wireless option 
is the Beats Flex.  The thing that would be good about wearing them in bed is 
because the buds are connected to a wire that goes around the back of your 
neck, so if one does happen to fall out, more than likely, they would still be 
hanging around your neck.

Hope this is helpful.

Chris


> On Jan 7, 2023, at 11:44 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I have long been a fan of Apple wired Ear Pods.  
> 
> I had to have my original beloved 8 Plus replaced, about a month prior 
> to its warranty expiration because the audio function of the 
> Lightening port went bad.
> 
> For the last 6-months or so, perhaps longer, while the Lightening port 
> on my replacement 8 Plus still functioned as expected, it lost the 
> ability to retain a cable, unassisted.  This is to say, when I hold 
> the phone in portrait mode, perpendicular to the ground, any attached 
> cable will fall out.
> 
> I am certain that I was the blame for this as I used to frequently 
> roll onto the phone, when sleeping; very often tangling  the cable 
> with tension for hours at a time.  (How's that for too much information? 
> (smile)).
> 
> My point, I am determined not to ruin the Lightening port on my 14.
> 
> With that in mind, I am doing my best to wing myself from the wired 
> Ear Pods in favor of Apple Air Pods.
> 
> Even though I like Air Pods and they are definitely more convenient to 
> use than the wired alternative, I still find myself reaching for the 
> wired pair, more than anything else.
> 
> I was just wondering how many of you have gone completely wireless 
> having all but abandoned the wired Ear Pods?
> 
> It is interesting because when I go to Best Buy, Target, Walmart, etc. 
> I always see wired Ear Pods, with either the Lightening or audio 
> connector, readily available.
> 
> All replies appreciated.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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RE: Face ID and iOS 16.2 Help Please.. ease/

Why on earth would calling 9 1 1 do anything? If calling was required why not 
call a friend or if you can't call your bank's automated phone system or 6 1 1 
which in Canada connects you to whoever your provider is.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Daniel 
MacDonald
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 5:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID and iOS 16.2 Help Please.. ease/

hello to all,

I,  have an iPhone 12 pro Max. I personally would not  update iOS  updating iOS 
for any reason, unless you require your phone in education and/or employment 
settings. this goes for all technology. do not upgrade to a major opperating 
system, or update to a miner one, unless your workplace or educational 
institution   has compatibility requirements to be running the latest software. 
for example: I bought windows 11 enterprize for this exact reason, and because 
the temptation  to beta test was presented, back as a windows insider i am. 
now, when the next major release of windows 11 ships, i will be automaticly 
unenrolled from the windows insider program, as my settings are such. that is 
my personal opinion after a sirious bug in iOS forst me to reconsider beta 
testing. the bug was, VoiceOver would work as it always does. then it would 
stop. I had an iPhone SE, second generation at the time, it would get very hot, 
it would freeze, and VoiceOver would not  work. as i was beta testing, bugs are 
to be expected. i broke my NDA, as another bug with Bluetooth keyboard access, 
which was it would not allow me to accept keyboard feedback   to VoiceOver, so 
called AppleCare accessibility support i did. the bug was, so sirious that the 
only way to get the phone working, was to literally , call, 911. I did that 
twice, speaking with dispatchers,(who asked me,if i could speak freely to them 
now)  and it was finally fixt in iOS 15.2 developer beta four, as i had a 
developer program membership, at that time. I decided to never beta test, on my 
primary device again!

   so i gave the SE to a friend who had an android phone which was 
unusible, do to no sensativity in his fingers for a touchscreen, and no 
reliable keyboard access. i took a $983.00 loss, as the phone was 1067.20, with 
an eighteen dollar case. he lives in a nurcing home, and thus, cannot afford a 
new iPhone. so that’s that. I don’t plan to beta test in the near term, but 
things might turn in another direction … who knows. as far as Face ID, i too am 
struggling with it! got a trusted family member to help set it up, and the tip 
i got from Apple, is to make sure your nose is in the centre. when i was doing 
the hed movements, i was told by that family member, what to do, and was guided 
physically where to position my hed. it is possible however, it takes time and 
pations. now, i hope you have success, and if an update or upgrade comes, do 
not take it! I did, update my ChromeBook, and Chromevox, the chrome OS screen 
reader, was changed majorly. so updates can brake things, and as screen reader, 
or other acccessibility users, need stability. imagine, you’re in a meeting for 
work. and an update to Chrome OS, or windows, is automaticly installed, as they 
always are. you expect JAWS, ChromeVox, NVDA, or VoiceOver to work, and that 
meeding is highly important to keeping your job! if something goes wrong in the 
moment, updates install, and because of one, you are fired, now that would be 
catastrophic! upgrades and updates are not always what they are cracked up to 
be! Eloquence in iOS, still has a sirious bug where it does not read chunks of 
documents, emails, or any other large peace of text. it siriously inhibits  my 
workflow, to the point of not using it, and having to switch to another 
sinthasizer. eSpeak fits that bill nicely! it’s technicly a beta, but not as 
major as an entire opperating system, and provides bennifits nothing else comes 
close to having! i signed up for beta testing weather gods, but that is 
valuable  feedback i can send, and as a perk, everything is free! actually all 
iOS and iPadOS app betas,as a condition of Apple’s beta testing app, 
TestFlight, it is a stipulation developers adhere to. so it’s not all bad, but 
never take an operating system for a spin in a beta cycle, unless you are a 
competent power user!  apps are fine, sometimes, but if you need one 
specifically   for a job or schooling, never beta test! and especially not on a 
daily driver!
sincerely,
Daniel Angus MacDonald

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 8, 2023, at 7:56 PM, janet gross  wrote:

Hi Everyone.
I finally upgraded to iOS 16.2  from iOS 15.7 on my XR phone, and I had to 
erase the entire phone in order to get back my phone calls in the recent folder 
of the Phone App.  All that so far is fine.  Another problem I am now having is 
I can’t set up Face ID.  When I  try to set it up, I keep getting a message 
saying my face is not in the frame, then I get a message saying Face ID can’t 
detect any sun glasses

RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hi Deidra,

Yes, while I keep a healthy supply of Braille novels, magazines, and 
periodicals in my house, it can be challenging, from time-to-time, to 
disconnect from the web.

A couple of weeks ago, when in a hurry, a friend and I left my house heading to 
a store to do a bit of light shopping.  Halfway there, I realized that I had 
left my phone, at home.

It was all I could do to keep from having her turn the car around and returning 
to retrieve it.

While out, we decided to grab some lunch at a restaurant.

While we were out, I found myself fighting panic attacks at not having access 
to the internet.  Now I knew this was foolish; after all, I wasn't expecting 
any important phone calls, I knew that we would be heading back to the house 
within a couple of hours or so, etc.  Still, I found it most difficult to stay 
calm and pay attention to her.  

She kept asking, "Are you okay?"  

I told her that I had left my phone at home and that it was no big deal.  I 
soon discovered that, in my mind at least, it was, in fact, a tremendously 
large, big deal (smile).)

When, near the end of our meal, she suggested that we go to a park for a while, 
I all but screamed, "No!"  

I simply couldn't stand the thought of being separated from my phone, one 
minute longer.

So, yes, addicting, these devices can definitely be, to say the least.

Mark



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Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 6:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

These posts are great. You all are up on all that is out there. As for me, I 
can't wear any kind of ear pieces because they cause me sharp pain in my inner 
ear. I am glued to my phone day and night mostly because I text and read a lot, 
but I find if I do not turn my phone off at night, I sleep poorly because as 
soon as I wake in the night, I once more reach for the phone. I fall asleep 
again but if I leave the phone off I somehow sleep much better and wake less!
Round the clock entertainment these phone sure provide us. Does that 
spell distraction or cultural etification?

Smiling,

Deidre


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Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 1:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

I'd take a set of Airpods maybe if somebody gave them to me along with $20.
I hate having anything stuck inside my ear further than the wired Earpods, they 
happen to fit me great and I don't even have to push them in hard and they just 
stay in place.
I also wouldn't be caught dead spending the kind of money on two little things 
which only last 5 or 6 hours and which I am bound to loose sooner or later.
Now keep in mind that this is strictly my take, I know many of  you love them 
and that's fine, then of course if I did spend the money on them I'd also say I 
love them.
As for wearing something in bed when you most likely will fall asleep there is 
nothing better than those sleep headbands which have a set of very thin 
speakers on each side over your ear and a little control pod on  your forehead 
with 3 buttons for volume up/down and play/pause in the middle. Of course if 
you want to fall asleep to high fidelty music then these are not the right 
thing, but they are fine for audio books or, if you are into those sleep 
sounds, that would probably be just fine, but they are the most comfortable 
thing and I usually sleep on my side so I definitely know and I often wake up 
in the middle of the night with my Audible book happily playing and I then 
usually stop it, pull them off my head and thrown them on the side table. You 
can find them on Amazon, just make sure you do look for wireless ones because 
the original ones do have a 3.5mm cable and that of course is sucks. I think I 
paid around $30 Canadian for mine about 2 or 3 years ago and they still work 
great.
I also have an Aftershokz Open Com which I use in certain situations and 
another Bluetooth gadget I have is one of these around the neck speakers, they 
consist of a thick and relatively soft rubbery cable about as thick as your 
thumb and one each end is a speaker, one has the typical buttons to turn it 
on/off and for play/pause and volume up/down. I quite like using them at home 
when I am out in the summer in the garden or even while cooking, your audio is 
right there more or less in front of your shoulders and you can easily reach up 
and pause or change the volume.for cert But I just bought a new set of 
Lightning Earpods because they are still my preferred headset, there is no lag 
and for $24.99 Canadian I get surprisingly good sounding earbuds. I probably go 
through a pair a year, sometimes a bit longer, but as I said, inexpensive, good 
and when I don't need them I roll them up around my hand and stick them into my 
pocket.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-Original

RE: Apple Music and Bluetooth Help Please.

Hi Arnold,
I was thinking I just might have to do that.  I can’t imagine how Apple let 
this one go through, but they did!

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2023 12:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Music and Bluetooth Help Please.

Also, if everything works as it should except through your speaker, perhaps you 
need to tell your phone to forget this device, then pair it again.

Arnold Schmidt

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3

On Jan 9, 2023, at 12:31 AM, Feliciano Godoy 
mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Janet,
I understand your frustration as I too have experienced this problem. First, I 
would check the setting that your speaker is set as via Bluetooth settings and 
more info for your speaker. Set that device to speaker as voiceover can behave 
differently if it’s set to another setting.
Secondly, I would recommend that you add audio destination to your rotor as 
your voiceover speech can be sent to the speaker when many prefer voiceover 
speech to be on the iPhone and audio via speaker. You can add audio destination 
via your settings- Settings, accessibility, voiceover followed by rotor.

Hope that helps.
Feliciano

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 8:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Music and Bluetooth Help Please.

Hi Everyone,
I’m sorry, but my last email regarding Apple Music, just seemed to slip away 
before I got to ask my question.  Does anyone have any ideas to rectify my 
Apple Music and Bose Speaker?

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 10:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Music and Bluetooth Help Please.

Hi Everyone,
Well now, because I updated I have another problem with Apple Music as well as 
with my Bluetooth Bose Color Sound Link.  Sometimes Apple Music will play on 
the phone, and if I play one of my play lists, it takes forever to play one 
song after the other, and I’ve done this for many years.  I had Apple music 
playing yesterday from one of my play list with my Bose Speaker, and while it 
didn’t work all that well, it did finally work, and I had Apple Music playing a 
few hours ago, but now my Bose Speaker says it is connected, but nothing comes 
through the speaker.  One problem after the other with this phone.
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RE: Apple Music and Bluetooth Help Please.

Hi Feliciano,
I've checked all those Bluetooth settings, and all is well.  I've used this 
Bose Speaker with Apple Music for at least 5 years with no problem, until I 
updated to 16.2, in which I  regret!  I've signed out of the Apple Music App, 
and signed back in with no different results.  I completely understand minor 
bugs, minor changes, but when it gets to the point of having to erase your 
entire phone, and still the phone doesn't work like it should, there  is 
something seriously wrong!

Janet
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 11:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Music and Bluetooth Help Please.

Hi Janet,
I understand your frustration as I too have experienced this problem. First, I 
would check the setting that your speaker is set as via Bluetooth settings and 
more info for your speaker. Set that device to speaker as voiceover can behave 
differently if it's set to another setting.
Secondly, I would recommend that you add audio destination to your rotor as 
your voiceover speech can be sent to the speaker when many prefer voiceover 
speech to be on the iPhone and audio via speaker. You can add audio destination 
via your settings- Settings, accessibility, voiceover followed by rotor.

Hope that helps.
Feliciano


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 8:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Music and Bluetooth Help Please.

Hi Everyone,
I'm sorry, but my last email regarding Apple Music, just seemed to slip away 
before I got to ask my question.  Does anyone have any ideas to rectify my 
Apple Music and Bose Speaker?

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 10:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Music and Bluetooth Help Please.

Hi Everyone,
Well now, because I updated I have another problem with Apple Music as well as 
with my Bluetooth Bose Color Sound Link.  Sometimes Apple Music will play on 
the phone, and if I play one of my play lists, it takes forever to play one 
song after the other, and I've done this for many years.  I had Apple music 
playing yesterday from one of my play list with my Bose Speaker, and while it 
didn't work all that well, it did finally work, and I had Apple Music playing a 
few hours ago, but now my Bose Speaker says it is connected, but nothing comes 
through the speaker.  One problem after the other with this phone.
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RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

No highs and no lows, must be Bose



Anyways, I tried to look up the Bose Sleep Pods you mentioned and all I could 
find was references and reviews for a product called Bose Sleepbuds which is 
some sort of noise cancelling, white noise-making gadget which most reviews say 
is way overpriced.



Here is a link on Amazon Canada for a set of the wireless sleep headband I 
mentioned before and they don't break the bank:



Wireless Headband Sleep Headphones Wireless Sports Headband Headphones Music 
Sleeping 
Headphones





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Hello Simon,



Your post made me smile.



I will definitely check out those sleep pods.



I have never herd of them, until now.



Thank  you.



Mark



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mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Simon A Fogarty

Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2023 10:08 PM

To: vipho...@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?



Hi mark,

Um, don't go choaking yourself with the headphone cable,



But hey, why do you wear headphones when in bed?



Wouldn't it be simpler to just have the phone playing audio beside you!?



But the airpods are great, I don’t' like wearing them at night because I can 
roll on to my side and they then dig in to my ears.



But if you are looking for a good quality Bluetooth headphoens / ear pods to 
ware at night, Check out the bose sleep pods, I've not used them myself but tey 
are meant for use in situations like you are speaking of here,and I can say 
from years of constant usage, Bose make great audio headphones etc.



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mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of M. 
Taylor

Sent: Sunday, 8 January 2023 6:44 pm

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com

Subject: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?



Hello All,



I have long been a fan of Apple wired Ear Pods.



I had to have my original beloved 8 Plus replaced, about a month prior to its 
warranty expiration because the audio function of the Lightening port went bad.



For the last 6-months or so, perhaps longer, while the Lightening port on my 
replacement 8 Plus still functioned as expected, it lost the ability to retain 
a cable, unassisted.  This is to say, when I hold the phone in portrait mode, 
perpendicular to the ground, any attached cable will fall out.



I am certain that I was the blame for this as I used to frequently roll onto 
the phone, when sleeping; very often tangling  the cable with tension for hours 
at a time.  (How's that for too much information? (smile)).



My point, I am determined not to ruin the Lightening port on my 14.



With that in mind, I am doing my best to wing myself from the wired Ear Pods in 
favor of Apple Air Pods.



Even though I like Air Pods and they are definitely more convenient to use than 
the wired alternative, I still find myself reaching for the wired pair, more 
than anything else.



I was just wondering how many of you have gone completely wireless having all 
but abandoned the wired Ear Pods?



It is interesting because when I go to Best Buy, Target, Walmart, etc. I always 
see wired Ear Pods, with either the Lightening or audio connector, readily 
available.



All replies appreciated.



Mark





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Re: Apple Music and Bluetooth Help Please.

2023-01-08 Thread Arnold Schmidt

Also, if everything works as it should except through your speaker, perhaps you need to tell your phone to forget this device, then pair it again. Arnold Schmidt Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3On Jan 9, 2023, at 12:31 AM, Feliciano Godoy  wrote:







Hi Janet,
I understand your frustration as I too have experienced this problem. First, I would check the setting that your speaker is set as via Bluetooth settings and more info for your speaker. Set that device to speaker as voiceover can behave
 differently if it’s set to another setting. 
Secondly, I would recommend that you add audio destination to your rotor as your voiceover speech can be sent to the speaker when many prefer voiceover speech to be on the iPhone and audio via speaker. You can add audio destination via
 your settings- Settings, accessibility, voiceover followed by rotor.
 
Hope that helps.
Feliciano

 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of janet gross
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 8:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Music and Bluetooth Help Please.


 
Hi Everyone, 
I’m sorry, but my last email regarding Apple Music, just seemed to slip away before I got to ask my question.  Does anyone have any ideas to rectify my Apple Music and Bose Speaker?

 
Any help will be greatly appreciated.  
 
Janet 
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of janet gross
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 10:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Music and Bluetooth Help Please.


 
Hi Everyone, 
Well now, because I updated I have another problem with Apple Music as well as with my Bluetooth Bose Color Sound Link.  Sometimes Apple Music will play on the phone, and if I play one of my play lists, it takes forever to play one song
 after the other, and I’ve done this for many years.  I had Apple music playing yesterday from one of my play list with my Bose Speaker, and while it didn’t work all that well, it did finally work, and I had Apple Music playing a few hours ago, but now my Bose
 Speaker says it is connected, but nothing comes through the speaker.  One problem after the other with this phone.   
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RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Alison,

Reading your post reminded me of the Borg mantra, from Star Trek, "resistance 
is Futile."  (pronounced, foo tile, UK English pronunciation) (big Smile).

Mark

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MAY
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 5:27 AM
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Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

 Have been wireless for some time now and after initial resistance, now find I 
prefer it, although I still remained wired when outdoors due to the fear of 
losing one of the buds.
Alison


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Subject: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hello All,

I have long been a fan of Apple wired Ear Pods.  

I had to have my original beloved 8 Plus replaced, about a month prior to its 
warranty expiration because the audio function of the Lightening port went bad.

For the last 6-months or so, perhaps longer, while the Lightening port on my 
replacement 8 Plus still functioned as expected, it lost the ability to retain 
a cable, unassisted.  This is to say, when I hold the phone in portrait mode, 
perpendicular to the ground, any attached cable will fall out.  

I am certain that I was the blame for this as I used to frequently roll onto 
the phone, when sleeping; very often tangling  the cable with tension for hours 
at a time.  (How's that for too much information? (smile)).

My point, I am determined not to ruin the Lightening port on my 14.

With that in mind, I am doing my best to wing myself from the wired Ear Pods in 
favor of Apple Air Pods.

Even though I like Air Pods and they are definitely more convenient to use than 
the wired alternative, I still find myself reaching for the wired pair, more 
than anything else.

I was just wondering how many of you have gone completely wireless having all 
but abandoned the wired Ear Pods?

It is interesting because when I go to Best Buy, Target, Walmart, etc. I always 
see wired Ear Pods, with either the Lightening or audio connector, readily 
available.

All replies appreciated.

Mark


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RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hello Terri,

Your comments are most helpful, indeed, I assure you.

Yes, sore ears can definitely be the result of Ear Pods, especially if you 
sleep with them, in your ears.

Thanks to this thread, I am going to order a sleep band set and hopefully begin 
a new chapter in ear bud technology, for me.

Yes, finding the right set of listening devices can be so very expensive.

I remember back when A2DP technology was new, I spent hundreds and hundreds of 
dollars trying to find the right set for me.  At one time, I think I had over 
12 different pairs of headphones.  

As much as it pains me to admit it, I do not stray far from the proverbial 
Apple Orchard unless I absolutely need to do so.  It would seem, as far as not 
ruining another iPhone lightening port, while sleeping is concerned, it is time 
for me to go, "walk about",  for a while.  

Thank you for posting to this thread.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terri 
Stimmel
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 5:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hello Mark, and list,

First of all, I appreciate your thoughts, and questions. I like the 
discussions, and thoughts from others that can end up happening. It's helpful 
at times.

For me personally, I absolutely love my Beats wireless earbuds. I use them 
quite regularly. I can't always use them every day though, because they can 
cause my ears to hurt. Also, I think they cause me headaches at times, as well. 
So I do have to be careful with them.

I never thought I would spend so much on headphones, especially earbuds. 
In my mind, spending that much money on such a thing just really makes no 
sense. I can't explain really why I feel that way. But then I bought these, and 
they are one of my most favorite things. I make sure to try and take really 
good care of them.

I can understand why some people still might want to use wired headphones. And 
I am glad to know that they are still quite readily available. I think the 
options should be there for people.

I enjoy using my Beats, because I am able to go around my apartment, getting 
things done, that I need to do, quite easily. I've learned to navigate pretty 
well, with the earbuds in. I just really love the convenience they offer me. 
Plus, I love how easy it can be to answer calls, or texts if I need to do so. 
Although, I do realize that this doesn't matter if they are wireless, or not. I 
think it is just nice that they aren't tethered to my phone. I will say that at 
first this felt odd, if I walked away and left my phone on my table. But I am 
getting more used to doing this now.

Also, probably about two years ago now, I bought some cheap, wireless, over the 
ear headphones from Amazon. They have pretty good sound for me, and for what I 
use them to do. I mainly use them to listen to my audio books. They aren't 
really good to use when answering calls.

Anyway, I enjoy them as well. I love how they are over the ear, and not 
necessarily earbuds. Even though they can be a bit bulky. And they can get hot 
on my ears, sometimes. But I love the portability they offer. 
They also fold up. So even though they are bigger, they can be easy to take 
along with me. So that is really nice.

Anyway, I don't know how helpful all this is. LOL! This is all just my personal 
thoughts, and opinions. But hopefully it helped someone. I just enjoy the 
convenience, and portability, and flexability.

Thank you,

Terri

On 1/7/2023 11:44 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I have long been a fan of Apple wired Ear Pods.
>
> I had to have my original beloved 8 Plus replaced, about a month prior 
> to its warranty expiration because the audio function of the 
> Lightening port went bad.
>
> For the last 6-months or so, perhaps longer, while the Lightening port 
> on my replacement 8 Plus still functioned as expected, it lost the 
> ability to retain a cable, unassisted.  This is to say, when I hold 
> the phone in portrait mode, perpendicular to the ground, any attached 
> cable will fall out.
>
> I am certain that I was the blame for this as I used to frequently 
> roll onto the phone, when sleeping; very often tangling  the cable 
> with tension for hours at a time.  (How's that for too much information? 
> (smile)).
>
> My point, I am determined not to ruin the Lightening port on my 14.
>
> With that in mind, I am doing my best to wing myself from the wired 
> Ear Pods in favor of Apple Air Pods.
>
> Even though I like Air Pods and they are definitely more convenient to 
> use than the wired alternative, I still find myself reaching for the 
> wired pair, more than anything else.
>
> I was just wondering how many of you have gone completely wireless 
> having all but abandoned the wired Ear Pods?
>
> It is interesting because when I go to Best Buy, Target, Walmart, etc. 
> I always see wired Ear Pods, with either the Lightening or audio 
> connector, readily available.
>
>

RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Interesting, Kelly.

Thank you for posting.  

I will do some research on those.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Ford
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 5:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

I use Sony Link Bud S wireless headphones and find the ambient sound option 
works well. This is on top of the noise cancellation and general sound quality.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 7:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

In addition to my AirPod Pros, I have a pair from EarFun which are quite a bit 
cheaper and have more features than the original AirPod Pros. I'd strongly 
recommend the EarFun's.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 5:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

I don't use earbuds all that much.  I'm more a fan of headphones that are over 
the ear.  However, I do have a set of AKG earbuds I accidentally bought from 
Ebay.  They are pretty good, although I want to get another set from anker that 
is better.  I won't be purchasing a set of the apple airpods as they are way to 
over priced in my opinion.
I do have the airpods max headphones that I really do like as a set of over the 
ear headphones.

On 1/8/23, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> Hello Bill,
>
> I have the 2Nd generation AirPods here and Find My can be used to play 
> a sound when the AirPods are out of the case or when they are in the 
> case with the case open.  When they are in the case and it is closed 
> sound cannot be played.
>
> Hope this helps you.
>
> Malcolm Parfitt
>
>> On 8 Jan 2023, at 10:57, William Outman  wrote:
>>
>> Good morning, Mark and all.
>> I am making that same transition with my 8 Plus, also in hopes of 
>> doing that same phone transition eventually. I bought mine at 
>> Walmart, and it helped I had a $50 gift card to defray the cost. They 
>> also had wired ear buds available. I still have a set of those that came 
>> with the phone.
>> I have listened to the tutorial from Mystic Access I ws referred to a 
>> few days ago.  I wish their presentation had been a bit smoother as 
>> they were trying to do things a bit too much on the fly.
>> They were discussing the Pro second generation rather than just 
>> second generation. A bit confusing. I wonder if the plain second 
>> generation set has the function where the case and pods beep function 
>> that makes them easier to find. That would alleviate the concern of 
>> losing them a bit. I understand there are different tips that might 
>> give a better fit in the ears as well.
>> I have replaced a knockoff brand of wireless ear buds that weren’t 
>> controllable nor did they have any way to be found easily. That’s an 
>> even bigger deal if you are blind, I think.
>> One thing I don’t like is the box has the model number on it but 
>> never says second generation on it. I had Aira look it up and confirm 
>> the store had told me correctly they are the Apple AirPods second generation.
>> I haven’t tried to use them other than pairing, so this thread 
>> reminds me to go ahead and dive in.
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 8, 2023, at 4:36 AM, Malcolm Parfitt 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I bought a set of Apple Airpods 2Nd generation before I went into 
>>> hospital for a lapiscropic nephrectomy in 2020.  I find they give me 
>>> a good balance between quality of music and the ability to maintain 
>>> my awareness of my surroundings.  I can walk around the house with 
>>> them unlike many headphones I have tried in the past.
>>>
>>> The only issue I have is that although I’ve used them equally they 
>>> appear to discharge at different rates.  My iPhone will often report 
>>> quite a significant difference in charge level between the left and 
>>> right Airpod.
>>>
>>> They charge via their case and provided this remains charged I get 
>>> perfectly acceptable listening time between charges.
>>>
>>> Malcolm Parfitt
>>>
> On 8 Jan 2023, at 06:56, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

 I'd take a set of Airpods maybe if somebody gave them to me along 
 with $20.
 I hate having anything stuck inside my ear further than the wired 
 Earpods, they happen to fit me great and I don't even have to push 
 them in hard and they just stay in place.
 I also wouldn't be caught dead spending the kind of money on two 
 little things which only last 5 or 6 hours and which I am bound to 
 loose sooner or later.
 Now keep in mind that this is strictly my take, I know many of  you 
 love them and that's fine, then of course if I did spend the money 
 on them I'd also say I love them.
 As for wearing something in bed when you most

RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hi Christopher, 

I will check out the Ear Funs.

Thank you,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 4:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

In addition to my AirPod Pros, I have a pair from EarFun which are quite a bit 
cheaper and have more features than the original AirPod Pros. I'd strongly 
recommend the EarFun's.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 5:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

I don't use earbuds all that much.  I'm more a fan of headphones that are over 
the ear.  However, I do have a set of AKG earbuds I accidentally bought from 
Ebay.  They are pretty good, although I want to get another set from anker that 
is better.  I won't be purchasing a set of the apple airpods as they are way to 
over priced in my opinion.
I do have the airpods max headphones that I really do like as a set of over the 
ear headphones.

On 1/8/23, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> Hello Bill,
>
> I have the 2Nd generation AirPods here and Find My can be used to play 
> a sound when the AirPods are out of the case or when they are in the 
> case with the case open.  When they are in the case and it is closed 
> sound cannot be played.
>
> Hope this helps you.
>
> Malcolm Parfitt
>
>> On 8 Jan 2023, at 10:57, William Outman  wrote:
>>
>> Good morning, Mark and all.
>> I am making that same transition with my 8 Plus, also in hopes of 
>> doing that same phone transition eventually. I bought mine at 
>> Walmart, and it helped I had a $50 gift card to defray the cost. They 
>> also had wired ear buds available. I still have a set of those that came 
>> with the phone.
>> I have listened to the tutorial from Mystic Access I ws referred to a 
>> few days ago.  I wish their presentation had been a bit smoother as 
>> they were trying to do things a bit too much on the fly.
>> They were discussing the Pro second generation rather than just 
>> second generation. A bit confusing. I wonder if the plain second 
>> generation set has the function where the case and pods beep function 
>> that makes them easier to find. That would alleviate the concern of 
>> losing them a bit. I understand there are different tips that might 
>> give a better fit in the ears as well.
>> I have replaced a knockoff brand of wireless ear buds that weren’t 
>> controllable nor did they have any way to be found easily. That’s an 
>> even bigger deal if you are blind, I think.
>> One thing I don’t like is the box has the model number on it but 
>> never says second generation on it. I had Aira look it up and confirm 
>> the store had told me correctly they are the Apple AirPods second generation.
>> I haven’t tried to use them other than pairing, so this thread 
>> reminds me to go ahead and dive in.
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 8, 2023, at 4:36 AM, Malcolm Parfitt 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I bought a set of Apple Airpods 2Nd generation before I went into 
>>> hospital for a lapiscropic nephrectomy in 2020.  I find they give me 
>>> a good balance between quality of music and the ability to maintain 
>>> my awareness of my surroundings.  I can walk around the house with 
>>> them unlike many headphones I have tried in the past.
>>>
>>> The only issue I have is that although I’ve used them equally they 
>>> appear to discharge at different rates.  My iPhone will often report 
>>> quite a significant difference in charge level between the left and 
>>> right Airpod.
>>>
>>> They charge via their case and provided this remains charged I get 
>>> perfectly acceptable listening time between charges.
>>>
>>> Malcolm Parfitt
>>>
> On 8 Jan 2023, at 06:56, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

 I'd take a set of Airpods maybe if somebody gave them to me along 
 with $20.
 I hate having anything stuck inside my ear further than the wired 
 Earpods, they happen to fit me great and I don't even have to push 
 them in hard and they just stay in place.
 I also wouldn't be caught dead spending the kind of money on two 
 little things which only last 5 or 6 hours and which I am bound to 
 loose sooner or later.
 Now keep in mind that this is strictly my take, I know many of  you 
 love them and that's fine, then of course if I did spend the money 
 on them I'd also say I love them.
 As for wearing something in bed when you most likely will fall 
 asleep there is nothing better than those sleep headbands which 
 have a set of very thin speakers on each side over your ear and a 
 little control pod on  your forehead with 3 buttons for volume 
 up/down and play/pause in the middle. Of course if you want to fall 
 asleep to high fidelty music then these are not the right thing,

Re: Further updates Microsoft Soundscape app

2023-01-08 Thread Lyne

Hello Mo,
Can you share your post again please? I would like to share with French list 
because we are a lot too.
Thanks 
Lyne

> Le 1 janv. 2023 à 08:35, Mo Khan  a écrit :
> 
> post

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RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hello William,

You know?  You're absolutely correct.  The Air Pods, Second Gen, in no way 
indicate that they are, in fact, Second Generation.

I really enjoy using the Second Gen model, for the most part.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of William 
Outman
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 2:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Good morning, Mark and all. 
I am making that same transition with my 8 Plus, also in hopes of doing that 
same phone transition eventually. I bought mine at Walmart, and it helped I had 
a $50 gift card to defray the cost. They also had wired ear buds available. I 
still have a set of those that came with the phone. 
I have listened to the tutorial from Mystic Access I ws referred to a few days 
ago.  I wish their presentation had been a bit smoother as they were trying to 
do things a bit too much on the fly.  
They were discussing the Pro second generation rather than just second 
generation. A bit confusing. I wonder if the plain second generation set has 
the function where the case and pods beep function that makes them easier to 
find. That would alleviate the concern of losing them a bit. I understand there 
are different tips that might give a better fit in the ears as well.  
I have replaced a knockoff brand of wireless ear buds that weren’t controllable 
nor did they have any way to be found easily. That’s an even bigger deal if you 
are blind, I think. 
One thing I don’t like is the box has the model number on it but never says 
second generation on it. I had Aira look it up and confirm the store had told 
me correctly they are the Apple AirPods second generation. 
I haven’t tried to use them other than pairing, so this thread reminds me to go 
ahead and dive in. 
Bill 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 8, 2023, at 4:36 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> I bought a set of Apple Airpods 2Nd generation before I went into hospital 
> for a lapiscropic nephrectomy in 2020.  I find they give me a good balance 
> between quality of music and the ability to maintain my awareness of my 
> surroundings.  I can walk around the house with them unlike many headphones I 
> have tried in the past.
> 
> The only issue I have is that although I’ve used them equally they appear to 
> discharge at different rates.  My iPhone will often report quite a 
> significant difference in charge level between the left and right Airpod.
> 
> They charge via their case and provided this remains charged I get perfectly 
> acceptable listening time between charges.
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> 
>> On 8 Jan 2023, at 06:56, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> I'd take a set of Airpods maybe if somebody gave them to me along with $20.
>> I hate having anything stuck inside my ear further than the wired Earpods, 
>> they happen to fit me great and I don't even have to push them in hard and 
>> they just stay in place.
>> I also wouldn't be caught dead spending the kind of money on two little 
>> things which only last 5 or 6 hours and which I am bound to loose sooner or 
>> later.
>> Now keep in mind that this is strictly my take, I know many of  you love 
>> them and that's fine, then of course if I did spend the money on them I'd 
>> also say I love them.
>> As for wearing something in bed when you most likely will fall asleep there 
>> is nothing better than those sleep headbands which have a set of very thin 
>> speakers on each side over your ear and a little control pod on  your 
>> forehead with 3 buttons for volume up/down and play/pause in the middle. Of 
>> course if you want to fall asleep to high fidelty music then these are not 
>> the right thing, but they are fine for audio books or, if you are into those 
>> sleep sounds, that would probably be just fine, but they are the most 
>> comfortable thing and I usually sleep on my side so I definitely know and I 
>> often wake up in the middle of the night with my Audible book happily 
>> playing and I then usually stop it, pull them off my head and thrown them on 
>> the side table. You can find them on Amazon, just make sure you do look for 
>> wireless ones because the original ones do have a 3.5mm cable and that of 
>> course is sucks. I think I paid around $30 Canadian for mine about 2 or 3 
>> years ago and they still work great.
>> I also have an Aftershokz Open Com which I use in certain situations 
>> and another Bluetooth gadget I have is one of these around the neck 
>> speakers, they consist of a thick and relatively soft rubbery cable about as 
>> thick as your thumb and one each end is a speaker, one has the typical 
>> buttons to turn it on/off and for play/pause and volume up/down. I quite 
>> like using them at home when I am out in the summer in the garden or even 
>> while cooking, your audio is right there more or less in front of your 
>> shoulders and you can easily reach up and pause or change the volume.for 
>> cert But I just bought a new set of

RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hello Malcolm,

I have Apple Air Pods, second gen, and Apple Air Pods, Pro.

When at home, I prefer to use the Air Pods, second gen, although they are 
slightly buggy when compared to my Air Pods Pro.

Like Sieghard, I do not like having anything placed in my ear canal  but the 
Pros do not bother me as long as transparency mode is set to, on.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Malcolm 
Parfitt
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 1:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

I bought a set of Apple Airpods 2Nd generation before I went into hospital for 
a lapiscropic nephrectomy in 2020.  I find they give me a good balance between 
quality of music and the ability to maintain my awareness of my surroundings.  
I can walk around the house with them unlike many headphones I have tried in 
the past.

The only issue I have is that although I’ve used them equally they appear to 
discharge at different rates.  My iPhone will often report quite a significant 
difference in charge level between the left and right Airpod.

They charge via their case and provided this remains charged I get perfectly 
acceptable listening time between charges.

Malcolm Parfitt

> On 8 Jan 2023, at 06:56, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I'd take a set of Airpods maybe if somebody gave them to me along with $20.
> I hate having anything stuck inside my ear further than the wired Earpods, 
> they happen to fit me great and I don't even have to push them in hard and 
> they just stay in place.
> I also wouldn't be caught dead spending the kind of money on two little 
> things which only last 5 or 6 hours and which I am bound to loose sooner or 
> later.
> Now keep in mind that this is strictly my take, I know many of  you love them 
> and that's fine, then of course if I did spend the money on them I'd also say 
> I love them.
> As for wearing something in bed when you most likely will fall asleep there 
> is nothing better than those sleep headbands which have a set of very thin 
> speakers on each side over your ear and a little control pod on  your 
> forehead with 3 buttons for volume up/down and play/pause in the middle. Of 
> course if you want to fall asleep to high fidelty music then these are not 
> the right thing, but they are fine for audio books or, if you are into those 
> sleep sounds, that would probably be just fine, but they are the most 
> comfortable thing and I usually sleep on my side so I definitely know and I 
> often wake up in the middle of the night with my Audible book happily playing 
> and I then usually stop it, pull them off my head and thrown them on the side 
> table. You can find them on Amazon, just make sure you do look for wireless 
> ones because the original ones do have a 3.5mm cable and that of course is 
> sucks. I think I paid around $30 Canadian for mine about 2 or 3 years ago and 
> they still work great.
> I also have an Aftershokz Open Com which I use in certain situations 
> and another Bluetooth gadget I have is one of these around the neck speakers, 
> they consist of a thick and relatively soft rubbery cable about as thick as 
> your thumb and one each end is a speaker, one has the typical buttons to turn 
> it on/off and for play/pause and volume up/down. I quite like using them at 
> home when I am out in the summer in the garden or even while cooking, your 
> audio is right there more or less in front of your shoulders and you can 
> easily reach up and pause or change the volume.for cert But I just bought a 
> new set of Lightning Earpods because they are still my preferred headset, 
> there is no lag and for $24.99 Canadian I get surprisingly good sounding 
> earbuds. I probably go through a pair a year, sometimes a bit longer, but as 
> I said, inexpensive, good and when I don't need them I roll them up around my 
> hand and stick them into my pocket.
> 
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2023 9:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I have long been a fan of Apple wired Ear Pods.  
> 
> I had to have my original beloved 8 Plus replaced, about a month prior to its 
> warranty expiration because the audio function of the Lightening port went 
> bad.
> 
> For the last 6-months or so, perhaps longer, while the Lightening port on my 
> replacement 8 Plus still functioned as expected, it lost the ability to 
> retain a cable, unassisted.  This is to say, when I hold the phone in 
> portrait mode, perpendicular to the ground, any attached cable will fall out. 
>  
> 
> I am certain that I was the blame for this as I used to frequently roll onto 
> the phone, when sleeping; very often tangling  the cable with tension for 
> hours at a time.  (How's that for too much information? (smile)).
> 
> My point, I am

RE: Apple Music and Bluetooth Help Please.

2023-01-08 Thread Feliciano Godoy

Hi Janet,
I understand your frustration as I too have experienced this problem. First, I 
would check the setting that your speaker is set as via Bluetooth settings and 
more info for your speaker. Set that device to speaker as voiceover can behave 
differently if it’s set to another setting.
Secondly, I would recommend that you add audio destination to your rotor as 
your voiceover speech can be sent to the speaker when many prefer voiceover 
speech to be on the iPhone and audio via speaker. You can add audio destination 
via your settings- Settings, accessibility, voiceover followed by rotor.

Hope that helps.
Feliciano

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 8:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Music and Bluetooth Help Please.

Hi Everyone,
I’m sorry, but my last email regarding Apple Music, just seemed to slip away 
before I got to ask my question.  Does anyone have any ideas to rectify my 
Apple Music and Bose Speaker?

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 10:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Music and Bluetooth Help Please.

Hi Everyone,
Well now, because I updated I have another problem with Apple Music as well as 
with my Bluetooth Bose Color Sound Link.  Sometimes Apple Music will play on 
the phone, and if I play one of my play lists, it takes forever to play one 
song after the other, and I’ve done this for many years.  I had Apple music 
playing yesterday from one of my play list with my Bose Speaker, and while it 
didn’t work all that well, it did finally work, and I had Apple Music playing a 
few hours ago, but now my Bose Speaker says it is connected, but nothing comes 
through the speaker.  One problem after the other with this phone.
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RE: Face ID and iOS 16.2 Help Please.. ease/

Janet, 

I'm curious:  Are you saying that Face ID worked on your X R before you updated 
to iOS 16.2?

If so, then you already know how to use Face ID and my previous comments were 
in error.

Please let me know.

I eagerly await your reply,

Mark

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From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 8:40 PM
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Subject: RE: Face ID and iOS 16.2 Help Please.. ease/

Hi Mark, 
Thank you for your understanding.  I am just so tired of this so called 
accessible technology!  I've spent two days working on this phone, just because 
I updated.  I've read online if one has a hard time with Face ID after 
updating, just tap on the Face ID reset button, but I don't have the Face ID 
button.  So now, I will have to spend more time on the phone with the Apple 
Support tomorrow again!  
Janet .

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Taylor
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 9:04 PM
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Subject: RE: Face ID and iOS 16.2 Help Please.. ease/

Hello Janet,

First, I am so sorry for your experience. It sounds horrible and very scary; at 
least, it would be scary to me to have to erase my phone in order to get it 
back to a functioning state.

Second, I have given your post a great deal of consideration.  Let me say that, 
regardless of what some would lead you to believe, for those of us who are 
visually impaired, Face ID is far from perfect.  

I am assuming that , like many of us, you cannot see the contents of the phone 
display when it is held at any distance from your face.  

If this is the case, then you are holding the device too close to your face 
when attempting to setup Face ID.  

It may also be the case that the lighting is either too low or not even enough, 
when setting up Face ID.

Were I you, I would ask a sighted person to assist during the Face ID setup 
process.  

In short, you will have to learn the approximate distance from your face, to 
hold the phone in order to use Face ID.  As many have reported in this 
community, this can be learned but, make no mistake, it does take time and 
practice.

Also keep in mind that even sighted users have to enter the device password 
more than was necessary when Touch ID was in vogue.  

So, I suggest that you keep a pair of headphones with you, when in public, just 
in case you need to enter the device password.

Please know that you have our support and try not to be too hard on yourself.  
Learning to use Face ID takes time.

Let us know how it goes, okay?

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 3:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Face ID and iOS 16.2 Help Please.. ease/

Hi Everyone. 
I finally upgraded to iOS 16.2  from iOS 15.7 on my XR phone, and I had to 
erase the entire phone in order to get back my phone calls in the recent folder 
of the Phone App.  All that so far is fine.  Another problem I am now having is 
I can't set up Face ID.  When I  try to set it up, I keep getting a message 
saying my face is not in the frame, then I get a message saying Face ID can't 
detect any sun glasses put on sun glasses and try again, but I'm not wearing 
glasses.  Sometimes I get the message saying move my head to the right, and 
then move my head to  the left, move my head up.  I then get a message saying 
30  percent. 65 percent move head up, I move my head and it says Face ID not 
available try again later.  I checked in the detention feature and it is off.  
Can someone please tell me is there a new way of setting up Face ID in iOS 
16.2? I feel this is a real security threat not being able to use Face ID.  
When I am around people, when I am in the store, when I am in the doctor's 
office, I have to enter in my passcode using Voiceover, in which means everyone 
can hear my passcode.  

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.  

Janet 
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RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

You've got me cracking up, Simon.  Big, big, big smile.

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Hey mark,

Have you looked in to pillows with built in speakers so you can rest your head 
between the speakers while you go to sleep,  Just be awarte that your partner 
could put another pillow over your face and push down Which could end badly for 
all parties.

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Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Sieghard,

Your post made me laugh out loud as your sleeping scenario mirrors my own, 
almost exactly (smile).

I do so love my wired Ear Pods but I will, indeed, check out a couple of 
wireless devices that are designed for sleeping.  I had no idea that such 
things even existed.

Thank you,

Mark

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Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

I'd take a set of Airpods maybe if somebody gave them to me along with $20.
I hate having anything stuck inside my ear further than the wired Earpods, they 
happen to fit me great and I don't even have to push them in hard and they just 
stay in place.
I also wouldn't be caught dead spending the kind of money on two little things 
which only last 5 or 6 hours and which I am bound to loose sooner or later.
Now keep in mind that this is strictly my take, I know many of  you love them 
and that's fine, then of course if I did spend the money on them I'd also say I 
love them.
As for wearing something in bed when you most likely will fall asleep there is 
nothing better than those sleep headbands which have a set of very thin 
speakers on each side over your ear and a little control pod on  your forehead 
with 3 buttons for volume up/down and play/pause in the middle. Of course if 
you want to fall asleep to high fidelty music then these are not the right 
thing, but they are fine for audio books or, if you are into those sleep 
sounds, that would probably be just fine, but they are the most comfortable 
thing and I usually sleep on my side so I definitely know and I often wake up 
in the middle of the night with my Audible book happily playing and I then 
usually stop it, pull them off my head and thrown them on the side table. You 
can find them on Amazon, just make sure you do look for wireless ones because 
the original ones do have a 3.5mm cable and that of course is sucks. I think I 
paid around $30 Canadian for mine about 2 or 3 years ago and they still work 
great.
I also have an Aftershokz Open Com which I use in certain situations and 
another Bluetooth gadget I have is one of these around the neck speakers, they 
consist of a thick and relatively soft rubbery cable about as thick as your 
thumb and one each end is a speaker, one has the typical buttons to turn it 
on/off and for play/pause and volume up/down. I quite like using them at home 
when I am out in the summer in the garden or even while cooking, your audio is 
right there more or less in front of your shoulders and you can easily reach up 
and pause or change the volume.for cert But I just bought a new set of 
Lightning Earpods because they are still my preferred headset, there is no lag 
and for $24.99 Canadian I get surprisingly good sounding earbuds. I probably go 
through a pair a year, sometimes a bit longer, but as I said, inexpensive, good 
and when I don't need them I roll them up around my hand and stick them into my 
pocket.

Best regards,
Sieghard

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Subject: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hello All,

I have long been a fan of Apple wired Ear Pods.  

I had to have my original beloved 8 Plus replaced, about a month prior to its 
warranty expiration because the audio function of the Lightening port went bad.

For the last 6-months or so, perhaps longer, while the Lightening port on my 
replacement 8 Plus still functioned as expected, it lost the ability to retain 
a cable, unassisted.  This is to say, when I hold the phone in portrait mode, 
perpendicular to the ground, any attached cable will fall out.  

I am certain that I was the blame for this as I used to frequently roll onto 
the phone, when sleeping; very often tangling  the cable with tension for hours 
at a time.  (How's that for too much information? (smile)).

My point, I am determined not to ruin the Lightening port on my 14.

With that in mind, I am doing my best to wing myself from the wired Ear Pods in 
favor of Apple Air Pods.

Even though I like Air Pods

Apple Music and Bluetooth Help Please.

Hi Everyone,
I'm sorry, but my last email regarding Apple Music, just seemed to slip away 
before I got to ask my question.  Does anyone have any ideas to rectify my 
Apple Music and Bose Speaker?

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 10:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Music and Bluetooth Help Please.

Hi Everyone,
Well now, because I updated I have another problem with Apple Music as well as 
with my Bluetooth Bose Color Sound Link.  Sometimes Apple Music will play on 
the phone, and if I play one of my play lists, it takes forever to play one 
song after the other, and I've done this for many years.  I had Apple music 
playing yesterday from one of my play list with my Bose Speaker, and while it 
didn't work all that well, it did finally work, and I had Apple Music playing a 
few hours ago, but now my Bose Speaker says it is connected, but nothing comes 
through the speaker.  One problem after the other with this phone.
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Apple Music and Bluetooth Help Please.

Hi Everyone,
Well now, because I updated I have another problem with Apple Music as well as 
with my Bluetooth Bose Color Sound Link.  Sometimes Apple Music will play on 
the phone, and if I play one of my play lists, it takes forever to play one 
song after the other, and I've done this for many years.  I had Apple music 
playing yesterday from one of my play list with my Bose Speaker, and while it 
didn't work all that well, it did finally work, and I had Apple Music playing a 
few hours ago, but now my Bose Speaker says it is connected, but nothing comes 
through the speaker.  One problem after the other with this phone.

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RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Sieghard,

Your post made me laugh out loud as your sleeping scenario mirrors my own, 
almost exactly (smile).

I do so love my wired Ear Pods but I will, indeed, check out a couple of 
wireless devices that are designed for sleeping.  I had no idea that such 
things even existed.

Thank you,

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2023 10:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

I'd take a set of Airpods maybe if somebody gave them to me along with $20.
I hate having anything stuck inside my ear further than the wired Earpods, they 
happen to fit me great and I don't even have to push them in hard and they just 
stay in place.
I also wouldn't be caught dead spending the kind of money on two little things 
which only last 5 or 6 hours and which I am bound to loose sooner or later.
Now keep in mind that this is strictly my take, I know many of  you love them 
and that's fine, then of course if I did spend the money on them I'd also say I 
love them.
As for wearing something in bed when you most likely will fall asleep there is 
nothing better than those sleep headbands which have a set of very thin 
speakers on each side over your ear and a little control pod on  your forehead 
with 3 buttons for volume up/down and play/pause in the middle. Of course if 
you want to fall asleep to high fidelty music then these are not the right 
thing, but they are fine for audio books or, if you are into those sleep 
sounds, that would probably be just fine, but they are the most comfortable 
thing and I usually sleep on my side so I definitely know and I often wake up 
in the middle of the night with my Audible book happily playing and I then 
usually stop it, pull them off my head and thrown them on the side table. You 
can find them on Amazon, just make sure you do look for wireless ones because 
the original ones do have a 3.5mm cable and that of course is sucks. I think I 
paid around $30 Canadian for mine about 2 or 3 years ago and they still work 
great.
I also have an Aftershokz Open Com which I use in certain situations and 
another Bluetooth gadget I have is one of these around the neck speakers, they 
consist of a thick and relatively soft rubbery cable about as thick as your 
thumb and one each end is a speaker, one has the typical buttons to turn it 
on/off and for play/pause and volume up/down. I quite like using them at home 
when I am out in the summer in the garden or even while cooking, your audio is 
right there more or less in front of your shoulders and you can easily reach up 
and pause or change the volume.for cert But I just bought a new set of 
Lightning Earpods because they are still my preferred headset, there is no lag 
and for $24.99 Canadian I get surprisingly good sounding earbuds. I probably go 
through a pair a year, sometimes a bit longer, but as I said, inexpensive, good 
and when I don't need them I roll them up around my hand and stick them into my 
pocket.

Best regards,
Sieghard

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Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2023 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hello All,

I have long been a fan of Apple wired Ear Pods.  

I had to have my original beloved 8 Plus replaced, about a month prior to its 
warranty expiration because the audio function of the Lightening port went bad.

For the last 6-months or so, perhaps longer, while the Lightening port on my 
replacement 8 Plus still functioned as expected, it lost the ability to retain 
a cable, unassisted.  This is to say, when I hold the phone in portrait mode, 
perpendicular to the ground, any attached cable will fall out.  

I am certain that I was the blame for this as I used to frequently roll onto 
the phone, when sleeping; very often tangling  the cable with tension for hours 
at a time.  (How's that for too much information? (smile)).

My point, I am determined not to ruin the Lightening port on my 14.

With that in mind, I am doing my best to wing myself from the wired Ear Pods in 
favor of Apple Air Pods.

Even though I like Air Pods and they are definitely more convenient to use than 
the wired alternative, I still find myself reaching for the wired pair, more 
than anything else.

I was just wondering how many of you have gone completely wireless having all 
but abandoned the wired Ear Pods?

It is interesting because when I go to Best Buy, Target, Walmart, etc. I always 
see wired Ear Pods, with either the Lightening or audio connector, readily 
available.

All replies appreciated.

Mark


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RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

An excellent point, to be sure, (smile).

Mark

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mrsin...@sasktel.net
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2023 10:16 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Some people use ear things at night so they do not disturb whomever they are 
sleeping with.

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From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: January 8, 2023 12:08 AM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hi mark,

Um, don't go choaking yourself with the headphone cable,

 But hey, why do you wear headphones when in bed?

Wouldn't it be simpler to just have the phone playing audio beside you!?

But the airpods are great, I don’t' like wearing them at night because I can 
roll on to my side and they then dig in to my ears.

But if you are looking for a good quality Bluetooth headphoens / ear pods to 
ware at night, Check out the bose sleep pods, I've not used them myself but tey 
are meant for use in situations like you are speaking of here,and I can say 
from years of constant usage, Bose make great audio headphones etc.

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Taylor
Sent: Sunday, 8 January 2023 6:44 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hello All,

I have long been a fan of Apple wired Ear Pods.  

I had to have my original beloved 8 Plus replaced, about a month prior to its 
warranty expiration because the audio function of the Lightening port went bad.

For the last 6-months or so, perhaps longer, while the Lightening port on my 
replacement 8 Plus still functioned as expected, it lost the ability to retain 
a cable, unassisted.  This is to say, when I hold the phone in portrait mode, 
perpendicular to the ground, any attached cable will fall out.  

I am certain that I was the blame for this as I used to frequently roll onto 
the phone, when sleeping; very often tangling  the cable with tension for hours 
at a time.  (How's that for too much information? (smile)).

My point, I am determined not to ruin the Lightening port on my 14.

With that in mind, I am doing my best to wing myself from the wired Ear Pods in 
favor of Apple Air Pods.

Even though I like Air Pods and they are definitely more convenient to use than 
the wired alternative, I still find myself reaching for the wired pair, more 
than anything else.

I was just wondering how many of you have gone completely wireless having all 
but abandoned the wired Ear Pods?

It is interesting because when I go to Best Buy, Target, Walmart, etc. I always 
see wired Ear Pods, with either the Lightening or audio connector, readily 
available.

All replies appreciated.

Mark

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RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hello Simon,

Your post made me smile.  

I will definitely check out those sleep pods.

I have never herd of them, until now.

Thank  you.

Mark

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From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2023 10:08 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hi mark,
 
Um, don't go choaking yourself with the headphone cable,

 But hey, why do you wear headphones when in bed?

Wouldn't it be simpler to just have the phone playing audio beside you!?

But the airpods are great, I don’t' like wearing them at night because I can 
roll on to my side and they then dig in to my ears.

But if you are looking for a good quality Bluetooth headphoens / ear pods to 
ware at night, Check out the bose sleep pods, I've not used them myself but tey 
are meant for use in situations like you are speaking of here,and I can say 
from years of constant usage, Bose make great audio headphones etc.

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
Taylor
Sent: Sunday, 8 January 2023 6:44 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hello All,

I have long been a fan of Apple wired Ear Pods.  

I had to have my original beloved 8 Plus replaced, about a month prior to its 
warranty expiration because the audio function of the Lightening port went bad.

For the last 6-months or so, perhaps longer, while the Lightening port on my 
replacement 8 Plus still functioned as expected, it lost the ability to retain 
a cable, unassisted.  This is to say, when I hold the phone in portrait mode, 
perpendicular to the ground, any attached cable will fall out.  

I am certain that I was the blame for this as I used to frequently roll onto 
the phone, when sleeping; very often tangling  the cable with tension for hours 
at a time.  (How's that for too much information? (smile)).

My point, I am determined not to ruin the Lightening port on my 14.

With that in mind, I am doing my best to wing myself from the wired Ear Pods in 
favor of Apple Air Pods.

Even though I like Air Pods and they are definitely more convenient to use than 
the wired alternative, I still find myself reaching for the wired pair, more 
than anything else.

I was just wondering how many of you have gone completely wireless having all 
but abandoned the wired Ear Pods?

It is interesting because when I go to Best Buy, Target, Walmart, etc. I always 
see wired Ear Pods, with either the Lightening or audio connector, readily 
available.

All replies appreciated.

Mark


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RE: Face ID and iOS 16.2 Help Please.. ease/

Hello Janet,

First, I am so sorry for your experience. It sounds horrible and very scary; at 
least, it would be scary to me to have to erase my phone in order to get it 
back to a functioning state.

Second, I have given your post a great deal of consideration.  Let me say that, 
regardless of what some would lead you to believe, for those of us who are 
visually impaired, Face ID is far from perfect.  

I am assuming that , like many of us, you cannot see the contents of the phone 
display when it is held at any distance from your face.  

If this is the case, then you are holding the device too close to your face 
when attempting to setup Face ID.  

It may also be the case that the lighting is either too low or not even enough, 
when setting up Face ID.

Were I you, I would ask a sighted person to assist during the Face ID setup 
process.  

In short, you will have to learn the approximate distance from your face, to 
hold the phone in order to use Face ID.  As many have reported in this 
community, this can be learned but, make no mistake, it does take time and 
practice.

Also keep in mind that even sighted users have to enter the device password 
more than was necessary when Touch ID was in vogue.  

So, I suggest that you keep a pair of headphones with you, when in public, just 
in case you need to enter the device password.

Please know that you have our support and try not to be too hard on yourself.  
Learning to use Face ID takes time.

Let us know how it goes, okay?

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 3:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Face ID and iOS 16.2 Help Please.. ease/

Hi Everyone. 
I finally upgraded to iOS 16.2  from iOS 15.7 on my XR phone, and I had to 
erase the entire phone in order to get back my phone calls in the recent folder 
of the Phone App.  All that so far is fine.  Another problem I am now having is 
I can’t set up Face ID.  When I  try to set it up, I keep getting a message 
saying my face is not in the frame, then I get a message saying Face ID can’t 
detect any sun glasses put on sun glasses and try again, but I’m not wearing 
glasses.  Sometimes I get the message saying move my head to the right, and 
then move my head to  the left, move my head up.  I then get a message saying 
30  percent. 65 percent move head up, I move my head and it says Face ID not 
available try again later.  I checked in the detention feature and it is off.  
Can someone please tell me is there a new way of setting up Face ID in iOS 
16.2? I feel this is a real security threat not being able to use Face ID.  
When I am around people, when I am in the store, when I am in the doctor’s 
office, I have to enter in my passcode using Voiceover, in which means everyone 
can hear my passcode.  

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.  

Janet 
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RE: Face ID and iOS 16.2 Help Please.. ease/

2023-01-08 Thread Dennis Long

I can’t disagree with you more.  You should always upgrade to the latest.  It 
has numerous security fixes and for that reason alone  you should upgrade

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MacDonald
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hello to all,

I,  have an iPhone 12 pro Max. I personally would not  update iOS  updating iOS 
for any reason, unless you require your phone in education and/or employment 
settings. this goes for all technology. do not upgrade to a major opperating 
system, or update to a miner one, unless your workplace or educational 
institution   has compatibility requirements to be running the latest software. 
for example: I bought windows 11 enterprize for this exact reason, and because 
the temptation  to beta test was presented, back as a windows insider i am. 
now, when the next major release of windows 11 ships, i will be automaticly 
unenrolled from the windows insider program, as my settings are such. that is 
my personal opinion after a sirious bug in iOS forst me to reconsider beta 
testing. the bug was, VoiceOver would work as it always does. then it would 
stop. I had an iPhone SE, second generation at the time, it would get very hot, 
it would freeze, and VoiceOver would not  work. as i was beta testing, bugs are 
to be expected. i broke my NDA, as another bug with Bluetooth keyboard access, 
which was it would not allow me to accept keyboard feedback   to VoiceOver, so 
called AppleCare accessibility support i did. the bug was, so sirious that the 
only way to get the phone working, was to literally , call, 911. I did that 
twice, speaking with dispatchers,(who asked me,if i could speak freely to them 
now)  and it was finally fixt in iOS 15.2 developer beta four, as i had a 
developer program membership, at that time. I decided to never beta test, on my 
primary device again! 

so i gave the SE to a friend who had an android phone which was 
unusible, do to no sensativity in his fingers for a touchscreen, and no 
reliable keyboard access. i took a $983.00 loss, as the phone was 1067.20, with 
an eighteen dollar case. he lives in a nurcing home, and thus, cannot afford a 
new iPhone. so that’s that. I don’t plan to beta test in the near term, but 
things might turn in another direction … who knows. as far as Face ID, i too am 
struggling with it! got a trusted family member to help set it up, and the tip 
i got from Apple, is to make sure your nose is in the centre. when i was doing 
the hed movements, i was told by that family member, what to do, and was guided 
physically where to position my hed. it is possible however, it takes time and 
pations. now, i hope you have success, and if an update or upgrade comes, do 
not take it! I did, update my ChromeBook, and Chromevox, the chrome OS screen 
reader, was changed majorly. so updates can brake things, and as screen reader, 
or other acccessibility users, need stability. imagine, you’re in a meeting for 
work. and an update to Chrome OS, or windows, is automaticly installed, as they 
always are. you expect JAWS, ChromeVox, NVDA, or VoiceOver to work, and that 
meeding is highly important to keeping your job! if something goes wrong in the 
moment, updates install, and because of one, you are fired, now that would be 
catastrophic! upgrades and updates are not always what they are cracked up to 
be! Eloquence in iOS, still has a sirious bug where it does not read chunks of 
documents, emails, or any other large peace of text. it siriously inhibits  my 
workflow, to the point of not using it, and having to switch to another 
sinthasizer. eSpeak fits that bill nicely! it’s technicly a beta, but not as 
major as an entire opperating system, and provides bennifits nothing else comes 
close to having! i signed up for beta testing weather gods, but that is 
valuable  feedback i can send, and as a perk, everything is free! actually all 
iOS and iPadOS app betas,as a condition of Apple’s beta testing app, 
TestFlight, it is a stipulation developers adhere to. so it’s not all bad, but 
never take an operating system for a spin in a beta cycle, unless you are a 
competent power user!  apps are fine, sometimes, but if you need one 
specifically   for a job or schooling, never beta test! and especially not on a 
daily driver! 

sincerely,

Daniel Angus MacDonald

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 8, 2023, at 7:56 PM, janet gross mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com> > wrote:

Hi Everyone. 

I finally upgraded to iOS 16.2  from iOS 15.7 on my XR phone, and I had to 
erase the entire phone in order to get back my phone calls in the recent folder 
of the Phone App.  All that so far is fine.  Another problem I am now having is 
I can’t set up Face ID.  When I  try to set it up, I keep getting a message 
saying my face is not in the frame, then I get a message saying Face ID can’t 
detect any sun glasses

Re: Attention All V iPhone 2, Group List Members! Starting Tuesday, January 10, 2023, Mark Will Only Post to the Original V iPhone Mailing List

2023-01-08 Thread Flor Lynch


That's fine, thanks for the 'heads up'.


On 1/9/2023 2:27 AM, M. Taylor wrote:

Essentially, as far as I am concerned, the answer is, "Yes."  Please remember 
that I am referring only to the V iPhone 2, group, not the original list.

Let's not make this more complicated than it has to be; okay?

Mark

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Does this mean that the viphone2 list will be discontinued or paused for all 
members?


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Hello Simon,

The original V iPhone mailing list has been back  up and running for quite a 
while and it just doesn't make sense to keep using 2 groups for the same 
discussions.

Mark

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Hi Mark,

Can we have a reason as to your change back?

I thought the former list had been killed off by the hosting providers.

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RE: Attention All V iPhone 2, Group List Members! Starting Tuesday, January 10, 2023, Mark Will Only Post to the Original V iPhone Mailing List

Hello,

If you are not subscribed to the original V iPhone list, then you will need to 
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This will be my final post to this thread as I think it is self explanatory.

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Hello,
will we be automaticly added to that list?

Lyne

> Le 8 janv. 2023 à 20:15, Flor Lynch  a écrit :
> 
> Does this mean that the viphone2 list will be discontinued or paused for all 
> members?
> 
> 
>> On 1/9/2023 12:17 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
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>> 
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>> discussions.
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>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Simon A Fogarty
>> Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 4:02 PM
>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Attention All V iPhone 2, Group List Members! Starting Tuesday, 
>> January 10, 2023, Mark Will Only Post to the Original V iPhone Mailing List
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> Can we have a reason as to your change back?
>> 
>> I thought the former list had been killed off by the hosting providers.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> Taylor
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>> January 10, 2023, Mark Will Only Post to the Original V iPhone Mailing List
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RE: Attention All V iPhone 2, Group List Members! Starting Tuesday, January 10, 2023, Mark Will Only Post to the Original V iPhone Mailing List

Essentially, as far as I am concerned, the answer is, "Yes."  Please remember 
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Let's not make this more complicated than it has to be; okay?  

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Does this mean that the viphone2 list will be discontinued or paused for all 
members?


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> Simon A Fogarty
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> January 10, 2023, Mark Will Only Post to the Original V iPhone Mailing List
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> Can we have a reason as to your change back?
>
> I thought the former list had been killed off by the hosting providers.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Taylor
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Re: Face ID and iOS 16.2 Help Please.. ease/

2023-01-08 Thread Daniel MacDonald

hello to all,I, have an iPhone 12 pro Max. I personally would not update iOS updating iOS for any reason, unless you require your phone in education and/or employment settings. this goes for all technology. do not upgrade to a major opperating system, or update to a miner one, unless your workplace or educational institution has compatibility requirements to be running the latest software. for example: I bought windows 11 enterprize for this exact reason, and because the temptation to beta test was presented, back as a windows insider i am. now, when the next major release of windows 11 ships, i will be automaticly unenrolled from the windows insider program, as my settings are such. that is my personal opinion after a sirious bug in iOS forst me to reconsider beta testing. the bug was, VoiceOver would work as it always does. then it would stop. I had an iPhone SE, second generation at the time, it would get very hot, it would freeze, and VoiceOver would not work. as i was beta testing, bugs are to be expected. i broke my NDA, as another bug with Bluetooth keyboard access, which was it would not allow me to accept keyboard feedback to VoiceOver, so called AppleCare accessibility support i did. the bug was, so sirious that the only way to get the phone working, was to literally , call, 911. I did that twice, speaking with dispatchers,(who asked me,if i could speak freely to them now) and it was finally fixt in iOS 15.2 developer beta four, as i had a developer program membership, at that time. I decided to never beta test, on my primary device again! so i gave the SE to a friend who had an android phone which was unusible, do to no sensativity in his fingers for a touchscreen, and no reliable keyboard access. i took a $983.00 loss, as the phone was 1067.20, with an eighteen dollar case. he lives in a nurcing home, and thus, cannot afford a new iPhone. so that’s that. I don’t plan to beta test in the near term, but things might turn in another direction … who knows. as far as Face ID, i too am struggling with it! got a trusted family member to help set it up, and the tip i got from Apple, is to make sure your nose is in the centre. when i was doing the hed movements, i was told by that family member, what to do, and was guided physically where to position my hed. it is possible however, it takes time and pations. now, i hope you have success, and if an update or upgrade comes, do not take it! I did, update my ChromeBook, and Chromevox, the chrome OS screen reader, was changed majorly. so updates can brake things, and as screen reader, or other acccessibility users, need stability. imagine, you’re in a meeting for work. and an update to Chrome OS, or windows, is automaticly installed, as they always are. you expect JAWS, ChromeVox, NVDA, or VoiceOver to work, and that meeding is highly important to keeping your job! if something goes wrong in the moment, updates install, and because of one, you are fired, now that would be catastrophic! upgrades and updates are not always what they are cracked up to be! Eloquence in iOS, still has a sirious bug where it does not read chunks of documents, emails, or any other large peace of text. it siriously inhibits my workflow, to the point of not using it, and having to switch to another sinthasizer. eSpeak fits that bill nicely! it’s technicly a beta, but not as major as an entire opperating system, and provides bennifits nothing else comes close to having! i signed up for beta testing weather gods, but that is valuable feedback i can send, and as a perk, everything is free! actually all iOS and iPadOS app betas,as a condition of Apple’s beta testing app, TestFlight, it is a stipulation developers adhere to. so it’s not all bad, but never take an operating system for a spin in a beta cycle, unless you are a competent power user! apps are fine, sometimes, but if you need one specifically for a job or schooling, never beta test! and especially not on a daily driver! sincerely,Daniel Angus MacDonald Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 8, 2023, at 7:56 PM, janet gross wrote:

Hi Everyone.
I finally upgraded to iOS 16.2 from iOS 15.7 on my XR phone, and I had to erase the entire phone in order to get back my phone calls in the recent folder of the Phone App. All that so far is fine. Another problem I am now having is I
can’t set up Face ID. When I try to set it up, I keep getting a message saying my face is not in the frame, then I get a message saying Face ID can’t detect any sun glasses put on sun glasses and try again, but I’m not wearing glasses. Sometimes I get the
message saying move my head to the right, and then move my head to the left, move my head up. I then get a message saying 30 percent. 65 percent move head up, I move my head and it says Face ID not available try again later. I checked in the detention
feature and it is off. Can someone please tell me is there a new way of setting up Face ID in iOS 16.2? I feel this is a real

Re: Attention All V iPhone 2, Group List Members! Starting Tuesday, January 10, 2023, Mark Will Only Post to the Original V iPhone Mailing List

2023-01-08 Thread Lyne

Hello,
will we be automaticly added to that list?

Lyne

> Le 8 janv. 2023 à 20:15, Flor Lynch  a écrit :
> 
> Does this mean that the viphone2 list will be discontinued or paused for all 
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> 
> 
>> On 1/9/2023 12:17 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
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>> -Original Message-
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>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> Can we have a reason as to your change back?
>> 
>> I thought the former list had been killed off by the hosting providers.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> Taylor
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Re: Attention All V iPhone 2, Group List Members! Starting Tuesday, January 10, 2023, Mark Will Only Post to the Original V iPhone Mailing List

2023-01-08 Thread Flor Lynch

Does this mean that the viphone2 list will be discontinued or paused for 
all members?



On 1/9/2023 12:17 AM, M. Taylor wrote:

Hello Simon,

The original V iPhone mailing list has been back  up and running for quite a 
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discussions.

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January 10, 2023, Mark Will Only Post to the Original V iPhone Mailing List

Hi Mark,

Can we have a reason as to your change back?

I thought the former list had been killed off by the hosting providers.

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RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Hello All,

Okay, as my final follow up to this thread, I did some research and discovered 
the following general facts:

1.
The C cable is also referred to as a Common cable.  This is what my installer 
called it which is why I got a bit confused when writing about it, here , 
on-list.

2.
Many Smart Thermostats require a C cable because they have a touch screen which 
requires more power than a mere non-touch screen digital display.

3.
Generally speaking, if a home was built in the last 40 years or so, it will 
have a C cable available, in the wall.

4.
If a home does not have a C cable, there are several alternatives including 
using a phone cable as a C cable or, more simply, purchasing a very inexpensive 
(less than $100) C cable conversion kit from Amazon,  that simply splits one of 
the H/VAC cables so that a C cable can be attached to the required terminal on 
the Smart thermostat.

5.
The Sensi Smart thermostat I purchased, while having a digital display, is not 
a touch screen so batteries can be used to power the display if one does not 
have a C cable readily available.

6.
On my model, one can disable the physical buttons via the Sensi iOS app, to 
prevent others from controlling the thermostat.  While I have no need to do 
this, I can easily imagine several scenarios in which one might want to lock 
the thermostat.

7.
For those of us who are low vision, from within the Sensi app, the backlight of 
the thermostat display can be set to, on, so that it can be used as a kind of 
nightlight.  I am finding this feature most useful.

8.
On the model I purchased, one can see and control the humidity as well as the 
temperature.

Okay, I think that is all I can contribute to this thread.

Mark

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To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
Cc: 'vipho...@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Hello Chris,

Yes, that is exactly what it means.  One would have to remove the device from 
the wall plate in order to replace the batteries.

However, this should not be a deterrent as I suspect that one would only need 
to change the batteries once a year, if that often.

Given the level of device detail that Apple Home Kit provides, I would not be 
surprised if it reported device battery level.  Again, I do not know since I 
did not insert any batteries into my unit.

I will admit that, now that I've gotten the unit working with Siri, I find 
myself using Siri rather than the physical buttons to control the thermostat 
(smile).

I will force myself to use the buttons on the device, at least once a week, so 
that I continue to be comfortable doing so.

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2023 3:06 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

Thanks Mark. I did not get the point of having to install batteries before 
attaching to the base. Does that mean you have to take the thermostat off its 
base each time you need to change the battery? Does the app have a battery 
meter to let you know if the battery is weak?
Cheers,

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 6, 2023, at 12:06 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Chris,
> 
> This particular thermostat has a terminal for a grounding wire but I do not 
> know if one is required.  I think not. 
> 
> While not wanting to get off-point, I will  say that I  suspect that many 
> thermostats, in order to be widely compatible, allow for a great many 
> installation options.
> 
> For example, in the setup manual, for this model, it instructs the installer 
> to insert 2 batteries into the unit before attaching it to the bass, that 
> should already be mounted onto the wall.  However, this unit, has a terminal, 
> on the back, for a power cable.  It's not actually called a power cable but I 
> cannot remember the actual name of the cable.   if one has such a cable 
> already built into the house, as does mine, then batteries are not necessary.
> 
> I had a professional installer switch out my old thermostat for the new one.  
> He did it in seconds and did not need to read the installation setup guide.  
> These setup guys are written for the non-professional user, in most cases.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
> Of Cris Ali
> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2023 8:09 AM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?
> 
> Does it require a C wire? Some smart thermostats require C wire to be 
> installed.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2023, at 2:20 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello James and Everyone,
>> 
>> I purchased the Sensi model st55 Smart Thermostat 2 days ago and had it 
>> installed early this morning.
>> 
>> In a word, it is amazing.  The physical buttons are easy-to-use and allow 
>> for

RE: Attention All V iPhone 2, Group List Members! Starting Tuesday, January 10, 2023, Mark Will Only Post to the Original V iPhone Mailing List

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Hi Mark,

Can we have a reason as to your change back?

I thought the former list had been killed off by the hosting providers.

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Face ID and iOS 16.2 Help Please.. ease/

Hi Everyone.
I finally upgraded to iOS 16.2  from iOS 15.7 on my XR phone, and I had to 
erase the entire phone in order to get back my phone calls in the recent folder 
of the Phone App.  All that so far is fine.  Another problem I am now having is 
I can't set up Face ID.  When I  try to set it up, I keep getting a message 
saying my face is not in the frame, then I get a message saying Face ID can't 
detect any sun glasses put on sun glasses and try again, but I'm not wearing 
glasses.  Sometimes I get the message saying move my head to the right, and 
then move my head to  the left, move my head up.  I then get a message saying 
30  percent. 65 percent move head up, I move my head and it says Face ID not 
available try again later.  I checked in the detention feature and it is off.  
Can someone please tell me is there a new way of setting up Face ID in iOS 
16.2? I feel this is a real security threat not being able to use Face ID.  
When I am around people, when I am in the store, when I am in the doctor's 
office, I have to enter in my passcode using Voiceover, in which means everyone 
can hear my passcode.

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Janet

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Re: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

2023-01-08 Thread Dan Yates

Hey Mark and others, I have Apple AirPods Pro, as well as the apple wired 
EarPods. The only time I use my apple wired EarPods is when I go to bed, 
listening to audiobooks. I just keep one in one ear, and my phone is sitting on 
the nightstand, which is right beside the bed. Fortunately, I have not had the 
issues you described With getting tangled up in the cords. I like the loose fit 
of the wired AirPod, I don’t think I would like the tight fit of the AirPod 
when I’m trying to drift off to sleep. 
Dan


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> On Jan 8, 2023, at 5:39 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
> 
> I have gone whierless in the sence that I have apple air pods and the reason 
> why I got them was onishinaly to use MS. Soundskape but now that they are 
> making soundscape oapin scores I do use them to listen to music but not while 
> I am out and about since I need my ears free to listen for traffic etc. from 
> Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
> Lemly
> Sent: January 8, 2023 1:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?
> 
> I have to agree with Sieghard. I have the best success with wired Apple 
> Earpods and consider them the best value of any earbuds I've consistently 
> used. I have some second generation wireless Apple Airpods and while they're 
> ok for listening to content, they mess up whenever I receive a phone call. 
> And I still use my iPhone 13 Mini as a phone although it seems the phone app 
> performs inconsistently when using Voiceover. I don't know if the issue is 
> the microphone in the Airpods but I get the most consistent performance with 
> the wired Apple Earpods. 
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 12:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?
> 
> I'd take a set of Airpods maybe if somebody gave them to me along with $20.
> I hate having anything stuck inside my ear further than the wired Earpods, 
> they happen to fit me great and I don't even have to push them in hard and 
> they just stay in place.
> I also wouldn't be caught dead spending the kind of money on two little 
> things which only last 5 or 6 hours and which I am bound to loose sooner or 
> later.
> Now keep in mind that this is strictly my take, I know many of  you love them 
> and that's fine, then of course if I did spend the money on them I'd also say 
> I love them.
> As for wearing something in bed when you most likely will fall asleep there 
> is nothing better than those sleep headbands which have a set of very thin 
> speakers on each side over your ear and a little control pod on  your 
> forehead with 3 buttons for volume up/down and play/pause in the middle. Of 
> course if you want to fall asleep to high fidelty music then these are not 
> the right thing, but they are fine for audio books or, if you are into those 
> sleep sounds, that would probably be just fine, but they are the most 
> comfortable thing and I usually sleep on my side so I definitely know and I 
> often wake up in the middle of the night with my Audible book happily playing 
> and I then usually stop it, pull them off my head and thrown them on the side 
> table. You can find them on Amazon, just make sure you do look for wireless 
> ones because the original ones do have a 3.5mm cable and that of course is 
> sucks. I think I paid around $30 Canadian for mine about 2 or 3 years ago and 
> they still work great.
> I also have an Aftershokz Open Com which I use in certain situations and 
> another Bluetooth gadget I have is one of these around the neck speakers, 
> they consist of a thick and relatively soft rubbery cable about as thick as 
> your thumb and one each end is a speaker, one has the typical buttons to turn 
> it on/off and for play/pause and volume up/down. I quite like using them at 
> home when I am out in the summer in the garden or even while cooking, your 
> audio is right there more or less in front of your shoulders and you can 
> easily reach up and pause or change the volume.for cert But I just bought a 
> new set of Lightning Earpods because they are still my preferred headset, 
> there is no lag and for $24.99 Canadian I get surprisingly good sounding 
> earbuds. I probably go through a pair a year, sometimes a bit longer, but as 
> I said, inexpensive, good and when I don't need them I roll them up around my 
> hand and stick them into my pocket.
> 
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2023 9:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I have long been a fan of Apple wired Ear Pods.  
> 
> I had to have my original beloved 8 Plus replaced, about a month prior to its 
> warranty expiration

Re: Apple watch group

2023-01-08 Thread 'Mervin Keck III' via VIPhone

applewatchuncomplicated+subscr...@groups.io has been around for a few years now.MervOn Jan 8, 2023, at 2:39 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:Hi Marie and Kimberly,This is good information to have. I just picked up an Apple Watch Series 8. Unfortunately, my reasons were health related. I have to monitor my heart rate now and having the watch seems the best option for me. So I will check out this group and subscribe to it. Thanks for the info.Best regards,LesSent from my iPhoneOn Jan 8, 2023, at 2:34 PM, Mária Orovčíková  wrote:
  

  
  
Hello,
the subscription address is:
watchosblindusersgroup+subscr...@groups.io

Maria

On 8. 1. 2023 18:17, 'Kimberly Samco'
  via VIPhone wrote:


  Hi,

I took the plunge and got a refurbished series 7.  I’ve listened to all the videos on Apple Vis and a good many videos on YouTube but I need access to more info.  I know others asked about an Apple Watch user group but I can’t find the answers.  I sure would appreciate if someone could let me know how to find/join them.


Thanks,


Kim




  




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RE: Apple watch group

2023-01-08 Thread michv

Hi. Try subing to this group.
applewatchuncomplicated+subscr...@groups.io
There is also
watchosblindusersgr...@groups.io
>From Mich. 

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Sent: January 8, 2023 12:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple watch group

Hi,

I took the plunge and got a refurbished series 7.  I’ve listened to all the 
videos on Apple Vis and a good many videos on YouTube but I need access to more 
info.  I know others asked about an Apple Watch user group but I can’t find the 
answers.  I sure would appreciate if someone could let me know how to find/join 
them.

Thanks,

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RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

2023-01-08 Thread michv

I have gone whierless in the sence that I have apple air pods and the reason 
why I got them was onishinaly to use MS. Soundskape but now that they are 
making soundscape oapin scores I do use them to listen to music but not while I 
am out and about since I need my ears free to listen for traffic etc. from Mich.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: January 8, 2023 1:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

I have to agree with Sieghard. I have the best success with wired Apple Earpods 
and consider them the best value of any earbuds I've consistently used. I have 
some second generation wireless Apple Airpods and while they're ok for 
listening to content, they mess up whenever I receive a phone call. And I still 
use my iPhone 13 Mini as a phone although it seems the phone app performs 
inconsistently when using Voiceover. I don't know if the issue is the 
microphone in the Airpods but I get the most consistent performance with the 
wired Apple Earpods. 

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 12:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

I'd take a set of Airpods maybe if somebody gave them to me along with $20.
I hate having anything stuck inside my ear further than the wired Earpods, they 
happen to fit me great and I don't even have to push them in hard and they just 
stay in place.
I also wouldn't be caught dead spending the kind of money on two little things 
which only last 5 or 6 hours and which I am bound to loose sooner or later.
Now keep in mind that this is strictly my take, I know many of  you love them 
and that's fine, then of course if I did spend the money on them I'd also say I 
love them.
As for wearing something in bed when you most likely will fall asleep there is 
nothing better than those sleep headbands which have a set of very thin 
speakers on each side over your ear and a little control pod on  your forehead 
with 3 buttons for volume up/down and play/pause in the middle. Of course if 
you want to fall asleep to high fidelty music then these are not the right 
thing, but they are fine for audio books or, if you are into those sleep 
sounds, that would probably be just fine, but they are the most comfortable 
thing and I usually sleep on my side so I definitely know and I often wake up 
in the middle of the night with my Audible book happily playing and I then 
usually stop it, pull them off my head and thrown them on the side table. You 
can find them on Amazon, just make sure you do look for wireless ones because 
the original ones do have a 3.5mm cable and that of course is sucks. I think I 
paid around $30 Canadian for mine about 2 or 3 years ago and they still work 
great.
I also have an Aftershokz Open Com which I use in certain situations and 
another Bluetooth gadget I have is one of these around the neck speakers, they 
consist of a thick and relatively soft rubbery cable about as thick as your 
thumb and one each end is a speaker, one has the typical buttons to turn it 
on/off and for play/pause and volume up/down. I quite like using them at home 
when I am out in the summer in the garden or even while cooking, your audio is 
right there more or less in front of your shoulders and you can easily reach up 
and pause or change the volume.for cert But I just bought a new set of 
Lightning Earpods because they are still my preferred headset, there is no lag 
and for $24.99 Canadian I get surprisingly good sounding earbuds. I probably go 
through a pair a year, sometimes a bit longer, but as I said, inexpensive, good 
and when I don't need them I roll them up around my hand and stick them into my 
pocket.

Best regards,
Sieghard

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Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2023 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hello All,

I have long been a fan of Apple wired Ear Pods.  

I had to have my original beloved 8 Plus replaced, about a month prior to its 
warranty expiration because the audio function of the Lightening port went bad.

For the last 6-months or so, perhaps longer, while the Lightening port on my 
replacement 8 Plus still functioned as expected, it lost the ability to retain 
a cable, unassisted.  This is to say, when I hold the phone in portrait mode, 
perpendicular to the ground, any attached cable will fall out.  

I am certain that I was the blame for this as I used to frequently roll onto 
the phone, when sleeping; very often tangling  the cable with tension for hours 
at a time.  (How's that for too much information? (smile)).

My point, I am determined not to ruin the Lightening port on my 14.

With that in mind, I am doing my best to wing myself from the wired Ear Pods in 
favor of Apple Air Pods.

Even

Re: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

2023-01-08 Thread Richard Turner

I am mostly wireless now.
: have three sets of wireless headphones/earbuds.
The greatest battery life is with an off brand, single ear that gives at least 
24 hours of listening time.
Next would be the Aftershokz OpenComm headset which are stereo, bone conduction 
wrap-around headphones that give about 16 ouours. Then the Apple Airpods Max 
that seem to give at least 10.
I still use the Apple wired airpods at times when I forget to bring along the 
wireless ones.
But, I'd say I have been wireless for two years.




Richard, USA.
“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
My web site: https://www.turner42.com


> On Jan 8, 2023, at 1:54 PM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
> 
> 
> Battery life for bluetooth earbuds is going to range depending on brand and 
> model.
> 
> I currently have the Airpods 2nd generation, and I am going on my third year 
> using them, and I still get about 4 hours before having to charge them.  I 
> only use both of them while listening to music, anything else, I only use one 
> at a time.
> Prior to my Airpods, I had an inexpensive pair that is actually still going, 
> and I have had them about 8 years now.  I did not time it out exactly, but 
> they always lasted at least 10 to 15 hours between charges.  I am not sure if 
> they are even made anymore.  The only reason I went to the Airpods is because 
> of their form factor.  I do not like earbuds that go all the way into the ear.
> 
> Since I do not like earbuds that fit all the way into the ear, I will 
> probably be sticking with the Airpods as long as Apple continues to make them.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2023, at 1:36 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>> 
>> For those who have been wireless for years, your opinion would be valuable, 
>> as to how  long before the batteries will no longer hold a charge.  In   a 
>> lot of these wireless products, the batteries can not be replaced. I still 
>> have my first generation airpods in which the batteries can not be replaced. 
>> They still work,  for less than an hour. My second generation ones still 
>> work for a reasonable amount of time, I don't know for how much longer. It 
>> is why I have never bought the airpods pro. I have a pair of Beats Flex 
>> headphones which are still working well after a couple years. If they go 
>> down after three years, that only cost me 20 a year or so, rather than over 
>> 70 a year for those airpods pro. 
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
>> 
>> On Jan 8, 2023, at 1:39 PM, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Been wireless for years. Don't miss it.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CJ & 
>> AA MAY
>> Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 7:27 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?
>> 
>> Have been wireless for some time now and after initial resistance, now find 
>> I prefer it, although I still remained wired when outdoors due to the fear 
>> of losing one of the buds.
>> Alison
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
>> Taylor
>> Sent: 08 January 2023 05:44
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I have long been a fan of Apple wired Ear Pods.  
>> 
>> I had to have my original beloved 8 Plus replaced, about a month prior to 
>> its warranty expiration because the audio function of the Lightening port 
>> went bad.
>> 
>> For the last 6-months or so, perhaps longer, while the Lightening port on my 
>> replacement 8 Plus still functioned as expected, it lost the ability to 
>> retain a cable, unassisted.  This is to say, when I hold the phone in 
>> portrait mode, perpendicular to the ground, any attached cable will fall 
>> out.  
>> 
>> I am certain that I was the blame for this as I used to frequently roll onto 
>> the phone, when sleeping; very often tangling  the cable with tension for 
>> hours at a time.  (How's that for too much information? (smile)).
>> 
>> My point, I am determined not to ruin the Lightening port on my 14.
>> 
>> With that in mind, I am doing my best to wing myself from the wired Ear Pods 
>> in favor of Apple Air Pods.
>> 
>> Even though I like Air Pods and they are definitely more convenient to use 
>> than the wired alternative, I still find myself reaching for the wired pair, 
>> more than anything else.
>> 
>> I was just wondering how many of you have gone completely wireless having 
>> all but abandoned the wired Ear Pods?
>> 
>> It is interesting because when I go to Best Buy, Target, Walmart, etc. I 
>> always see wired Ear Pods, with either the Lightening or audio connector, 
>> readily available.
>> 
>> All replies appreciated.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
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Re: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

2023-01-08 Thread Chris Chaffin



Battery life for bluetooth earbuds is going to range depending on brand and 
model.

I currently have the Airpods 2nd generation, and I am going on my third year 
using them, and I still get about 4 hours before having to charge them.  I only 
use both of them while listening to music, anything else, I only use one at a 
time.
Prior to my Airpods, I had an inexpensive pair that is actually still going, 
and I have had them about 8 years now.  I did not time it out exactly, but they 
always lasted at least 10 to 15 hours between charges.  I am not sure if they 
are even made anymore.  The only reason I went to the Airpods is because of 
their form factor.  I do not like earbuds that go all the way into the ear.

Since I do not like earbuds that fit all the way into the ear, I will probably 
be sticking with the Airpods as long as Apple continues to make them.

Chris


> On Jan 8, 2023, at 1:36 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> For those who have been wireless for years, your opinion would be valuable, 
> as to how  long before the batteries will no longer hold a charge.  In   a 
> lot of these wireless products, the batteries can not be replaced. I still 
> have my first generation airpods in which the batteries can not be replaced. 
> They still work,  for less than an hour. My second generation ones still work 
> for a reasonable amount of time, I don't know for how much longer. It is why 
> I have never bought the airpods pro. I have a pair of Beats Flex headphones 
> which are still working well after a couple years. If they go down after 
> three years, that only cost me 20 a year or so, rather than over 70 a year 
> for those airpods pro. 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
> 
> On Jan 8, 2023, at 1:39 PM, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Been wireless for years. Don't miss it.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CJ & 
> AA MAY
> Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 7:27 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?
> 
> Have been wireless for some time now and after initial resistance, now find I 
> prefer it, although I still remained wired when outdoors due to the fear of 
> losing one of the buds.
> Alison
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: 08 January 2023 05:44
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I have long been a fan of Apple wired Ear Pods.  
> 
> I had to have my original beloved 8 Plus replaced, about a month prior to its 
> warranty expiration because the audio function of the Lightening port went 
> bad.
> 
> For the last 6-months or so, perhaps longer, while the Lightening port on my 
> replacement 8 Plus still functioned as expected, it lost the ability to 
> retain a cable, unassisted.  This is to say, when I hold the phone in 
> portrait mode, perpendicular to the ground, any attached cable will fall out. 
>  
> 
> I am certain that I was the blame for this as I used to frequently roll onto 
> the phone, when sleeping; very often tangling  the cable with tension for 
> hours at a time.  (How's that for too much information? (smile)).
> 
> My point, I am determined not to ruin the Lightening port on my 14.
> 
> With that in mind, I am doing my best to wing myself from the wired Ear Pods 
> in favor of Apple Air Pods.
> 
> Even though I like Air Pods and they are definitely more convenient to use 
> than the wired alternative, I still find myself reaching for the wired pair, 
> more than anything else.
> 
> I was just wondering how many of you have gone completely wireless having all 
> but abandoned the wired Ear Pods?
> 
> It is interesting because when I go to Best Buy, Target, Walmart, etc. I 
> always see wired Ear Pods, with either the Lightening or audio connector, 
> readily available.
> 
> All replies appreciated.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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Zoom and voice over

2023-01-08 Thread Kay Malmquist

Hi all,
I have just started having a problem with Zoom on my iPhone.  I have a zoom 
room in my history and when I go to it I enter the Pass word and then when I 
hit join, the level on voice over drops to just about nothing.  The level of 
the people talking in the room is normal.  It doesn't matter if I am using 
headphones or speaker.  Does anyone have any thoughts has to what might be 
going on?  This happens in all rooms and just started on Thursday.  Thanks 
much for any help.

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Re: Apple watch group

2023-01-08 Thread Les Kriegler

Hi Marie and Kimberly,This is good information to have. I just picked up an Apple Watch Series 8. Unfortunately, my reasons were health related. I have to monitor my heart rate now and having the watch seems the best option for me. So I will check out this group and subscribe to it. Thanks for the info.Best regards,LesSent from my iPhoneOn Jan 8, 2023, at 2:34 PM, Mária Orovčíková  wrote:
  

  
  
Hello,
the subscription address is:
watchosblindusersgroup+subscr...@groups.io

Maria

On 8. 1. 2023 18:17, 'Kimberly Samco'
  via VIPhone wrote:


  Hi,

I took the plunge and got a refurbished series 7.  I’ve listened to all the videos on Apple Vis and a good many videos on YouTube but I need access to more info.  I know others asked about an Apple Watch user group but I can’t find the answers.  I sure would appreciate if someone could let me know how to find/join them.


Thanks,


Kim




  




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Re: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

2023-01-08 Thread Arnold Schmidt

For those who have been wireless for years, your opinion would be valuable, as 
to how  long before the batteries will no longer hold a charge.  In   a lot of 
these wireless products, the batteries can not be replaced. I still have my 
first generation airpods in which the batteries can not be replaced. They still 
work,  for less than an hour. My second generation ones still work for a 
reasonable amount of time, I don't know for how much longer. It is why I have 
never bought the airpods pro. I have a pair of Beats Flex headphones which are 
still working well after a couple years. If they go down after three years, 
that only cost me 20 a year or so, rather than over 70 a year for those airpods 
pro. 

Arnold Schmidt 


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On Jan 8, 2023, at 1:39 PM, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:

Been wireless for years. Don't miss it.

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Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Have been wireless for some time now and after initial resistance, now find I 
prefer it, although I still remained wired when outdoors due to the fear of 
losing one of the buds.
Alison


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Subject: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hello All,

I have long been a fan of Apple wired Ear Pods.  

I had to have my original beloved 8 Plus replaced, about a month prior to its 
warranty expiration because the audio function of the Lightening port went bad.

For the last 6-months or so, perhaps longer, while the Lightening port on my 
replacement 8 Plus still functioned as expected, it lost the ability to retain 
a cable, unassisted.  This is to say, when I hold the phone in portrait mode, 
perpendicular to the ground, any attached cable will fall out.  

I am certain that I was the blame for this as I used to frequently roll onto 
the phone, when sleeping; very often tangling  the cable with tension for hours 
at a time.  (How's that for too much information? (smile)).

My point, I am determined not to ruin the Lightening port on my 14.

With that in mind, I am doing my best to wing myself from the wired Ear Pods in 
favor of Apple Air Pods.

Even though I like Air Pods and they are definitely more convenient to use than 
the wired alternative, I still find myself reaching for the wired pair, more 
than anything else.

I was just wondering how many of you have gone completely wireless having all 
but abandoned the wired Ear Pods?

It is interesting because when I go to Best Buy, Target, Walmart, etc. I always 
see wired Ear Pods, with either the Lightening or audio connector, readily 
available.

All replies appreciated.

Mark


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Re: Apple watch group

2023-01-08 Thread Mária Orovčíková


Hello,
the subscription address is:
watchosblindusersgroup+subscr...@groups.io

Maria

On 8. 1. 2023 18:17, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone wrote:

Hi,

I took the plunge and got a refurbished series 7.  I’ve listened to all the 
videos on Apple Vis and a good many videos on YouTube but I need access to more 
info.  I know others asked about an Apple Watch user group but I can’t find the 
answers.  I sure would appreciate if someone could let me know how to find/join 
them.


Thanks,


Kim



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RE:RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

2023-01-08 Thread Mickey Quenzer

hello: new line I love wireless devices especially earbuds. but I'm finding 
that I have   too many Bluetooth devices   and I'm finding that at times audio 
gets chopped upwhen using my iPhone. if I'm listening to something over 
bluetooth. so for this reason I'd like to get wired devices working again. hope 
this makes sense!

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RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

2023-01-08 Thread sarai.bucciarelli

Been wireless for years. Don't miss it.

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Subject: RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

 Have been wireless for some time now and after initial resistance, now find I 
prefer it, although I still remained wired when outdoors due to the fear of 
losing one of the buds.
Alison

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Sent: 08 January 2023 05:44
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Subject: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hello All,

I have long been a fan of Apple wired Ear Pods.  

I had to have my original beloved 8 Plus replaced, about a month prior to its 
warranty expiration because the audio function of the Lightening port went bad.

For the last 6-months or so, perhaps longer, while the Lightening port on my 
replacement 8 Plus still functioned as expected, it lost the ability to retain 
a cable, unassisted.  This is to say, when I hold the phone in portrait mode, 
perpendicular to the ground, any attached cable will fall out.  

I am certain that I was the blame for this as I used to frequently roll onto 
the phone, when sleeping; very often tangling  the cable with tension for hours 
at a time.  (How's that for too much information? (smile)).

My point, I am determined not to ruin the Lightening port on my 14.

With that in mind, I am doing my best to wing myself from the wired Ear Pods in 
favor of Apple Air Pods.

Even though I like Air Pods and they are definitely more convenient to use than 
the wired alternative, I still find myself reaching for the wired pair, more 
than anything else.

I was just wondering how many of you have gone completely wireless having all 
but abandoned the wired Ear Pods?

It is interesting because when I go to Best Buy, Target, Walmart, etc. I always 
see wired Ear Pods, with either the Lightening or audio connector, readily 
available.

All replies appreciated.

Mark

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RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

2023-01-08 Thread Alan Lemly

I have to agree with Sieghard. I have the best success with wired Apple Earpods 
and consider them the best value of any earbuds I've consistently used. I have 
some second generation wireless Apple Airpods and while they're ok for 
listening to content, they mess up whenever I receive a phone call. And I still 
use my iPhone 13 Mini as a phone although it seems the phone app performs 
inconsistently when using Voiceover. I don't know if the issue is the 
microphone in the Airpods but I get the most consistent performance with the 
wired Apple Earpods. 

Alan Lemly

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I'd take a set of Airpods maybe if somebody gave them to me along with $20.
I hate having anything stuck inside my ear further than the wired Earpods, they 
happen to fit me great and I don't even have to push them in hard and they just 
stay in place.
I also wouldn't be caught dead spending the kind of money on two little things 
which only last 5 or 6 hours and which I am bound to loose sooner or later.
Now keep in mind that this is strictly my take, I know many of  you love them 
and that's fine, then of course if I did spend the money on them I'd also say I 
love them.
As for wearing something in bed when you most likely will fall asleep there is 
nothing better than those sleep headbands which have a set of very thin 
speakers on each side over your ear and a little control pod on  your forehead 
with 3 buttons for volume up/down and play/pause in the middle. Of course if 
you want to fall asleep to high fidelty music then these are not the right 
thing, but they are fine for audio books or, if you are into those sleep 
sounds, that would probably be just fine, but they are the most comfortable 
thing and I usually sleep on my side so I definitely know and I often wake up 
in the middle of the night with my Audible book happily playing and I then 
usually stop it, pull them off my head and thrown them on the side table. You 
can find them on Amazon, just make sure you do look for wireless ones because 
the original ones do have a 3.5mm cable and that of course is sucks. I think I 
paid around $30 Canadian for mine about 2 or 3 years ago and they still work 
great.
I also have an Aftershokz Open Com which I use in certain situations and 
another Bluetooth gadget I have is one of these around the neck speakers, they 
consist of a thick and relatively soft rubbery cable about as thick as your 
thumb and one each end is a speaker, one has the typical buttons to turn it 
on/off and for play/pause and volume up/down. I quite like using them at home 
when I am out in the summer in the garden or even while cooking, your audio is 
right there more or less in front of your shoulders and you can easily reach up 
and pause or change the volume.for cert But I just bought a new set of 
Lightning Earpods because they are still my preferred headset, there is no lag 
and for $24.99 Canadian I get surprisingly good sounding earbuds. I probably go 
through a pair a year, sometimes a bit longer, but as I said, inexpensive, good 
and when I don't need them I roll them up around my hand and stick them into my 
pocket.

Best regards,
Sieghard

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Subject: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

Hello All,

I have long been a fan of Apple wired Ear Pods.  

I had to have my original beloved 8 Plus replaced, about a month prior to its 
warranty expiration because the audio function of the Lightening port went bad.

For the last 6-months or so, perhaps longer, while the Lightening port on my 
replacement 8 Plus still functioned as expected, it lost the ability to retain 
a cable, unassisted.  This is to say, when I hold the phone in portrait mode, 
perpendicular to the ground, any attached cable will fall out.  

I am certain that I was the blame for this as I used to frequently roll onto 
the phone, when sleeping; very often tangling  the cable with tension for hours 
at a time.  (How's that for too much information? (smile)).

My point, I am determined not to ruin the Lightening port on my 14.

With that in mind, I am doing my best to wing myself from the wired Ear Pods in 
favor of Apple Air Pods.

Even though I like Air Pods and they are definitely more convenient to use than 
the wired alternative, I still find myself reaching for the wired pair, more 
than anything else.

I was just wondering how many of you have gone completely wireless having all 
but abandoned the wired Ear Pods?

It is interesting because when I go to Best Buy, Target, Walmart, etc. I always 
see wired Ear Pods, with either the Lightening or audio connector, readily 
available.

All replies appreciated.

Mark


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RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

I absolutely hate typing anything of any length using Bluetooth headsets or 
earbuds of any type since I have never found one which doesn't introduce lag of 
some sort and I have had the opportunity to try Airpods and while the lag is 
not bad, it's still there and I simply find it annoying.

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Irons
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 9:41 AM
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Subject: Re: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

I went wireless in 2013. The wire Apple earbuds always hurt my ears every time 
I wear them. They are completely and totally uncomfortable for me.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 7, 2023, at 11:44 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I have long been a fan of Apple wired Ear Pods.  
> 
> I had to have my original beloved 8 Plus replaced, about a month prior 
> to its warranty expiration because the audio function of the 
> Lightening port went bad.
> 
> For the last 6-months or so, perhaps longer, while the Lightening port 
> on my replacement 8 Plus still functioned as expected, it lost the 
> ability to retain a cable, unassisted.  This is to say, when I hold 
> the phone in portrait mode, perpendicular to the ground, any attached 
> cable will fall out.
> 
> I am certain that I was the blame for this as I used to frequently 
> roll onto the phone, when sleeping; very often tangling  the cable 
> with tension for hours at a time.  (How's that for too much information? 
> (smile)).
> 
> My point, I am determined not to ruin the Lightening port on my 14.
> 
> With that in mind, I am doing my best to wing myself from the wired 
> Ear Pods in favor of Apple Air Pods.
> 
> Even though I like Air Pods and they are definitely more convenient to 
> use than the wired alternative, I still find myself reaching for the 
> wired pair, more than anything else.
> 
> I was just wondering how many of you have gone completely wireless 
> having all but abandoned the wired Ear Pods?
> 
> It is interesting because when I go to Best Buy, Target, Walmart, etc. 
> I always see wired Ear Pods, with either the Lightening or audio 
> connector, readily available.
> 
> All replies appreciated.
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?

2023-01-08 Thread Michael Irons

I went wireless in 2013. The wire Apple earbuds always hurt my ears every time 
I wear them. They are completely and totally uncomfortable for me.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 7, 2023, at 11:44 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I have long been a fan of Apple wired Ear Pods.  
> 
> I had to have my original beloved 8 Plus replaced, about a month prior to
> its warranty expiration because the audio function of the Lightening port
> went bad.
> 
> For the last 6-months or so, perhaps longer, while the Lightening port on my
> replacement 8 Plus still functioned as expected, it lost the ability to
> retain a cable, unassisted.  This is to say, when I hold the phone in
> portrait mode, perpendicular to the ground, any attached cable will fall
> out.  
> 
> I am certain that I was the blame for this as I used to frequently roll onto
> the phone, when sleeping; very often tangling  the cable with tension for
> hours at a time.  (How's that for too much information? (smile)).
> 
> My point, I am determined not to ruin the Lightening port on my 14.
> 
> With that in mind, I am doing my best to wing myself from the wired Ear Pods
> in favor of Apple Air Pods.
> 
> Even though I like Air Pods and they are definitely more convenient to use
> than the wired alternative, I still find myself reaching for the wired pair,
> more than anything else.
> 
> I was just wondering how many of you have gone completely wireless having
> all but abandoned the wired Ear Pods?
> 
> It is interesting because when I go to Best Buy, Target, Walmart, etc. I
> always see wired Ear Pods, with either the Lightening or audio connector,
> readily available.
> 
> All replies appreciated.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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Apple watch group

2023-01-08 Thread 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone

Hi,

I took the plunge and got a refurbished series 7.  I’ve listened to all the 
videos on Apple Vis and a good many videos on YouTube but I need access to more 
info.  I know others asked about an Apple Watch user group but I can’t find the 
answers.  I sure would appreciate if someone could let me know how to find/join 
them.


Thanks,


Kim

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RE: Have you Gone Wireless, Yet?