RE: Tiles and tile app? Not!

[Pablo C. Morales]

That is not true. You are able to replace one, or as many tiles you want. They 
are going to give you a better price after you buy them the first time. If you 
buy one tile, the price is higher than if you buy 12 tiles, but later you are 
able to replace  one, or as many you want. Now about the accessibility on the 
tile app, I have found that on android this app is a lot more accessible. I 
have been writing to the tile tech support  regarding the accessibility on IOs, 
but I haven’t seen any improvement, however on android is a lot better.

I have more than one year using tile, and it is very helpful, and moreover they 
are pretty small. If we compare the size of the tiles with the other devices 
that I have seen, really tile is very small. I don’t consider tile waste of 
money, I think it is a tool that helps sighted and visually impaired.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 12:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!

 

TrackR is accessible and replaceable-battery

 

On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 9:44 AM  > wrote:

I heard of an item tracking device quite a while ago that let you replace the 
battery yourself. I can't remember the brand, but I think it was Motorola or LG 
or something.

 

 

Thanks,

Ari


On Feb 3, 2017, at 8:45 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  > wrote:

I’m a bit late to this discussion, but while this sounds pretty cool at first, 
it’s in my opinion also a money grab and privacy collector. After I read about 
the Tile I realized that it’s basically yet another subscription since the 
battery in these things is supposed to last about a year after which you have 
to buy a new Tile since the battery can’t be recharged or replaced. Yes, they 
say they sell you consequent Tiles at a discount, but if you have a few of them 
it still works out to another $4 or $6 or even more a months. I think many 
people nowadays don’t realize how much we pay each months for renewing the 
things we need and want. Start with the big things we all need like 
rent/mortgage payments, then food, utilities and your monthly phone/internet 
bill which are now considered essential services. Then there is your TV even if 
all you have is a Netflix subscription, then most of us have some sort of music 
subscription like Apple Music or Spotify, then many of us nowadays have some 
sort of software which requires an annual software maintenance agreement or we 
may subscribe to various software on a monthly or annual bases like Office 365, 
KNFB Reader etc. Then there are the small things like maybe a bit of extra 
iCloud Storage, optional devices like maybe a Ring Video Doorbell and on and on.

Secondly it appears that when you install the Tiles app and start using it, you 
give the company permission to collect data about the movement of your Tile 
which, if you put one on your phone or keys means your movement and to use said 
data any which way they like including to share or sell it to third parties. I 
guess you could argue that your phone already collects this data except when 
you have an iPhone you can turn this or some of this off, you could choose to 
turn off your phone completely if you don’t want to be tracked and, at least in 
the case of Apple, I trust them the most that they aren’t sharing this 
information with everybody who may want it. Apple unlike Google does not make 
its money from gathering information about you which they can then use to 
target you with ads, they make their money with devices and services and given 
their stand on this in the past are probably one of the companies who cares 
about privacy the most.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew J. LaPointe
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 4:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!

 

Hi, yes, lets see how this pans out.  The Tile is a good idea though as 
long as you don’t loose it.  It does not take much to loose something like 
this.  Andy and Shubert

 

From: Mike Ulrich   

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 5:21 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Subject: RE: Tiles and tile app? Not!

 

I had a long talk with a Malware Bytes support person on the phone yesterday.

She told me that I would need a sighted person to help set up everything. I 
told her I didn’t have that luxury.

I was very nice and gave her a long list of reasons Malware Bytes should 
consider making this what seems great product, accessible. I would think it so 
very simple to make both the app and website accessible. She gave me all the 
answers we’ve heard before when it comes to advocating for better 

RE: New iOS 10 VO bug unearthed

[Pablo C. Morales]

Sometimes, no always. When I double tab on the phone app, the phone crash. No 
voice over, no siri, just the screen blanck. If I press the home button, after 
a few seconds everything start to work normally, even voice over. I have 
restored, and I have follow the whole steps that apple tech support  told me to 
do. My last called was Dec 17th, and tech support told me that this problem and 
others related with the IOs 10.2, have been happening with the iPhone 7 of 
128gb. He recommend me to replace the iPhone, because this problem  is no 
present in all iPhone 7 of 128gb, however they have found this problem only in 
this model. It is what tech support told me this last dec 17th.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Wayne Merritt
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 5:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New iOS 10 VO bug unearthed

That's interesting. What do you mean by saying "it crashed the phone app." Can 
you describe more what happens? I have an iPhone 7 with 128 GB, and would be 
interested to hear if others are experiencing this issue. I haven't thus far, 
but I also don't spend a lot of time in the Phone app, grin.

Wayne

On 12/18/16, Pablo C. Morales <pablocmd2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am having a problem with my iPhone 7  128gb. My problem is that for 
> some reason the phone crash when I open the phone app; I talked 
> yesterday with tech support, and they told me that it is a problem 
> that IOs 10.2  is having in this type of iPhone, the iPhone 7  of 128gb.
> I think that they are going to replace my iPhone but I don't know if 
> it will fix the problem.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Rajmund
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 11:42 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New iOS 10 VO bug unearthed
>
> Hello,
> What's the UK apple accessibility number, please?
>
>
>
> Sent from a Braille Sense
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Harry Bell  <ubupanora...@icloud.com>
> To: Abridged Recipients  <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, December 18, 2016 1:39 pm
> Subject: New iOS 10 VO bug unearthed
>
>>
>>
>> I just rang Apple Accessibility in the UK and we tracked down a VO 
>> bug in the Mail app which had been bugging me ever since iOS 10 
>> arrived! If in your mail settings you have turned on the Confirm 
>> before deleting toggle, then when you read an email and then double 
>> tap on the trash can and then double tap on the Confirm delete 
>> button, the focus of voiceover lands on the trash can once the next 
>> email appears rather than landing on the Sender of the new email. 
>> What a relief that the Apple Accessibility lady discovered the same 
>> problem on her phone and agreed it was a bug rather than something I 
>> was imagining or doing wrong! So the workaround is to turn off the 
>> Confirm before deleting toggle in Settings--Mail. I prefer to Confirm 
>> but for now will do without. Good old Apple Accessibility team! By 
>> the way, for U.K. Folk the number for Apple Accessibility is 0800 048 
>> 0754
>> - it was very difficult to find this number!! Harry
>>
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RE: Apple is not doing their Job???

[Pablo C. Morales]

Mario,

Come on, don’t get mad. Just do the following exercise. How much you have 
invested in all of these, and what are the benefits found after your 
investment. Return on investment.

Yes, there is people saying things that irritate you, sometimes they try to 
muck you, but what is the real effect on you when they don’t pay your food, 
your computer, your internet, or anything else. At the end, why their opinion 
is so important when they are not going to provide you anything?

Thank that the whole list say that you are right. Apple is no doing what they 
have to do. It is going to make you taller, or skinner, or rich, or more 
handsome?

No right?

So, let they say whatever they want, if what they are saying is good and 
useable for you, then take it, if it is no. Press delete.

If tomorrow someone found a great app that is going to help you, take care and 
take this email. If tomorrow someone say that you are crazy or many other 
things, just press delete. It feels so good.

Don’t let that the opinion of others affect you so much. Your opinion about 
your self is the most important. Whoever opinion about you, especially when 
they have no real effect in your life, don’t worry, delete it. Do it, you will 
see that doing it, feels so good.

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mário Gabriel
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 7:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple is not doing their Job???

 



 


Pablo take care of you, that I take care of myself.
I know very well what I'm talking about.
Some messages in the group make me laugh. And where is the problem?
Laughing is not insulting
But calling me troll, this is insult.
Do you really think these people are more Educated than I am?
I know very well with  who I'm dealing.
I consider you a friend, but I don't need you give me advices
take care yourself.
cheers.




 

Às 22:30 de 18/12/2016, Pablo C. Morales escreveu:

Hi Mario,

I don’t know what is wrong with your system, but I have the last iTunes update, 
and the last jaws 18 update, and yes, the accessibility is really good. I 
recommend that you uninstall iTunes and make sure that you are running the last 
version of Jaws 18. Then reinstall iTunes. You might need to download the 
program again from the apple web site.

One more thing Mario that I would like to recommend. I understand your 
frustration, however if you highlight so much over and over , it could create a 
negative impact on your purpose. I think that your purpose is that apple 
improve the accessibility in your devices, right?

Ok, that target was already achieved. A lot of people understood that the last 
IOs have some bugs that affect you as a visual impaired, and a lot of people 
that is no visual impaired. Right here you should be happy and relax. If you 
continue you are going to destroy everything that you have achieved.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mário Gabriel
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 1:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Apple is not doing their Job???

 



 



Man you make me laugh
In my iTunes 12.5.4.latest update, the accessibility enhancements that  you 
talk  simply do not exist.
 Does  Apple like you more than some people in the group who did not have the 
magic of accessibility improvements in their iTunes apps?

Whatever they did, it not worked.
And you know why? Because they did nothing.
Keep dreaming, this is what is happening in your heads.
Sure you still want to write to Apple and thank them for the complete 
turnaround they made with the latest iTunes version?
cheers.







 

Às 23:25 de 17/12/2016,  <mailto:englishride...@gmail.com> 
englishride...@gmail.com escreveu:

I also think we need to write to Apple and thank them for the complete 
turnaround they made with the latest iTunes version. I haven't checked on file 
sharing yet, but managing your iPhone's content has once more become 
accessible. Whatever they did, it worked.

 

 

Thanks,

Ari


On Dec 17, 2016, at 7:40 AM, Hope Paulos <hope.pau...@gmail.com 
<mailto:hope.pau...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Diane. This is well-said. I’ve put off commenting about this thread because I 
don’t want to really get involved. Apple is a huge corperation and if customers 
don’t come to them with a problem, they cannot fix it. I work in customer 
service and while we deal with irate customers who want their product to work 
correctly, we are more likely to listen and respond to those customers who 
approach us with kindness and explain the problem  they experience in detail. 
In other words, if apple doesn’t know it’s broken, they can’t fix it. I urge 
everyone to write accessibil...@apple.com <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>  and 
explain whatever problem they’re having. I assure you, that in time, apple wil

RE: New iOS 10 VO bug unearthed

[Pablo C. Morales]

I am having a problem with my iPhone 7  128gb. My problem is that for some 
reason the phone crash when I open the phone app; I talked yesterday with tech 
support, and they told me that it is a problem that IOs 10.2  is having in this 
type of iPhone, the iPhone 7  of 128gb.
I think that they are going to replace my iPhone but I don't know if it will 
fix the problem.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rajmund
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New iOS 10 VO bug unearthed

Hello,
What's the UK apple accessibility number, please?



Sent from a Braille Sense 

- Original Message -
From: Harry Bell  
To: Abridged Recipients  
Date: Sunday, December 18, 2016 1:39 pm
Subject: New iOS 10 VO bug unearthed

>
>
> I just rang Apple Accessibility in the UK and we tracked down a VO bug in the 
> Mail app which had been bugging me ever since iOS 10 arrived! If in your mail 
> settings you have turned on the Confirm before deleting toggle, then when you 
> read an email and then double tap on the trash can and then double tap on the 
> Confirm delete button, the focus of voiceover lands on the trash can once the 
> next email appears rather than landing on the Sender of the new email. What a 
> relief that the Apple Accessibility lady discovered the same problem on her 
> phone and agreed it was a bug rather than something I was imagining or doing 
> wrong! So the workaround is to turn off the Confirm before deleting toggle in 
> Settings--Mail. I prefer to Confirm but for now will do without. Good old 
> Apple Accessibility team! By the way, for U.K. Folk the number for Apple 
> Accessibility is 0800 048 0754 - it was very difficult to find this number!! 
> Harry
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RE: Apple is not doing their Job???

[Pablo C. Morales]

Hi Mario,

I don’t know what is wrong with your system, but I have the last iTunes update, 
and the last jaws 18 update, and yes, the accessibility is really good. I 
recommend that you uninstall iTunes and make sure that you are running the last 
version of Jaws 18. Then reinstall iTunes. You might need to download the 
program again from the apple web site.

One more thing Mario that I would like to recommend. I understand your 
frustration, however if you highlight so much over and over , it could create a 
negative impact on your purpose. I think that your purpose is that apple 
improve the accessibility in your devices, right?

Ok, that target was already achieved. A lot of people understood that the last 
IOs have some bugs that affect you as a visual impaired, and a lot of people 
that is no visual impaired. Right here you should be happy and relax. If you 
continue you are going to destroy everything that you have achieved.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mário Gabriel
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 1:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple is not doing their Job???

 



 



Man you make me laugh
In my iTunes 12.5.4.latest update, the accessibility enhancements that  you 
talk  simply do not exist.
 Does  Apple like you more than some people in the group who did not have the 
magic of accessibility improvements in their iTunes apps?

Whatever they did, it not worked.
And you know why? Because they did nothing.
Keep dreaming, this is what is happening in your heads.
Sure you still want to write to Apple and thank them for the complete 
turnaround they made with the latest iTunes version?
cheers.






 

Às 23:25 de 17/12/2016, englishride...@gmail.com 
  escreveu:

I also think we need to write to Apple and thank them for the complete 
turnaround they made with the latest iTunes version. I haven't checked on file 
sharing yet, but managing your iPhone's content has once more become 
accessible. Whatever they did, it worked.

 

 

Thanks,

Ari


On Dec 17, 2016, at 7:40 AM, Hope Paulos  > wrote:

Diane. This is well-said. I’ve put off commenting about this thread because I 
don’t want to really get involved. Apple is a huge corperation and if customers 
don’t come to them with a problem, they cannot fix it. I work in customer 
service and while we deal with irate customers who want their product to work 
correctly, we are more likely to listen and respond to those customers who 
approach us with kindness and explain the problem  they experience in detail. 
In other words, if apple doesn’t know it’s broken, they can’t fix it. I urge 
everyone to write accessibil...@apple.com   and 
explain whatever problem they’re having. I assure you, that in time, apple will 
indeed fix the problem. 

 

Hope Paulos

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dianne Phelps
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 6:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Apple is not doing their Job???

 

I have bitten my writing tongue for some time since IOS 10 came out. I don’t 
know where the moderators are for this list; but this topic needs a healthy and 
fast stop.

 

Apple is not the only corporation making changes to software which either 
change or make more difficult our use of the technology we have come to depend 
upon. AVG has now become incompatible with JAWS for version 18. I went to 
download the new version the other night, and it locked up my tablet to the 
point where I had to make a mad dash to see my computer guys at Staples to help 
me dig it out.

 

The fact is software always comes out with bugs. I didn’t understand that in 
the beginning of the whole computer revolution, and I still don’t; however, 
this is the way it is. As consumers, we must act accordingly. We can either 
find work-arounds, change devices or wait for the next update. Whining about it 
isn’t going to make it be fixed any faster, and approaching the manufactures 
and writers of software with the negative tone I have seen by some on this list 
won’t get anything done faster and might even curtail Apple’s willingness to 
work at any of this.

 

Furthermore, turning this into a racial discrimination matter is just beyond 
ridiculous. STOP IT RIGHT NOW!!!

 

This list and its members just aren’t like that, and bringing that issue into 
the discussion here is appalling .

 

We are all facing problems as technology changes, and all I can think of is 
that we have way more than some of us had when growing up. People who want 
things to change could study and major in computer programming and engineering 
and work in the field as so many, including some on this list have done. Having 
intelligent conversations with tech support, offering 

RE: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

[Pablo C. Morales]

Mario,

I think that you are right complaining in the email list about your problems 
with the last updates. I think that everybody have to do it. I think that we 
should do it. Here, at the school, at the bus stop, everywhere. As much people 
understand these problems, the power of our complains get stronger. If we just 
say that we have an IOs bug problem, and we just email apple, we have seen that 
this method is no working. It hasn’t been working since years ago.

If we make noise, the people sighted, or blind, with disabilities or without 
then, who are affected with IOs problems, will add their voices to our voices, 
so we will be heard strong and clearly.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mário Gabriel
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 2:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

 



 

Sorry Pablo.
it was not my intention put you in the same box.
But you can see how they do not value what you write.
You did not write anything or mention anything that now they accuse you ...
You only wrote the truth, but for them it is not worth anything.
Are you seeing Pablo as you are discriminated?
You tried to be fair in your post  but now you're accused of writing things you 
did not write.

It was me who wrote.

topic close.

cheers.

 

Às 18:32 de 16/12/2016, Pablo C. Morales escreveu:

Mister Ed.

Could you please show in the list, publicly in which email I am saying that I 
am being discriminated or segregated  due to my race?

Also, could you show in the list, publicly in which email about this topic, I 
am not saying that we need to do is complain to apple, call and send emails to 
them?

Mister Ed, you need to be so careful with your answers, because you are showing 
that you didn’t read my emails, and you are just generalizing putting Mario and 
Me in the same box, it is very similar than segregation, and obviously you are 
doing that due to our race. In any email I didn’t say that anybody is 
discriminating me, or that I feel that someone is segregating me because of my 
race, it is something that you are saying, no me. In all emails about this 
topic, I have saying over and over that we need to write to apple,  we need to 
call and complain about it.

About Sieghard, what I am saying that he always has showed a strong attitude in 
pro of apple, minimizing the IOs bugs, he always pretends to reduce the noise 
that people makes about the apple bugs. Again, what he is doing is against the 
accessibility. Against apple, and against himself. If we start to minimize the 
noise of people that is complaining about the IOs bugs, it will not fix the 
problem. He said  that we need to complain to apple, and stop complaining in 
the list. No, it is no positive for us. I said that we need to complain, here 
and everywhere, about this bugs. It is the way how apple will pay attention to 
these problems. Obviously apple is no so worry about fixing bugs, obviously 
apple has les interest fixing voice over bugs. You and everybody here know that 
we have bunches of bugs in voice over for years, and apple never fixed them. It 
shows lack of interest.

Why they have lack of interest?

Because we have people saying that all IOs have bugs, that don’t worry, it is 
an isolated problem, that this and that. Reducing the noise of people who is 
being affected for these bugs.

I think that Sieghard is doing good asking the people to write to apple, he is 
doing good asking to complain directly to apple. But we need to make these 
problems public in the list, we need to make these problems visible to the 
whole community.

Mister Ed, please be so careful with the answers that you are writing. Also I 
suggest that you read the emails before generalize about this.

Respectfully,

 

didn’t 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 12:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

 

Hi Mario and Pablo,

Neither one of you are being discriminated on this group. This has nothing to 
do with race of any kind. Sieghard was just pointing out that all smart phones 
have their issues. He did not say Apple was the best. He was just trying to say 
that all  software’s have glitches. As for Sieghard he is the first one to send 
an email to Apple support if he finds an issue. He also advises everyone else 
if they have an issue with Apple to contact tech support.  That is all he meant 
by his email. I think one issue you guys do not understand is to just contact 
Apple when there is an issue and not to keep whining about it over and over and 
over on the list. It’s ok to mention it and see if anyone else is having the 
same issue. So get off your high horses and don’t be throwing out the race c

RE: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

[Pablo C. Morales]

Mister Ed.

Could you please show in the list, publicly in which email I am saying that I 
am being discriminated or segregated  due to my race?

Also, could you show in the list, publicly in which email about this topic, I 
am not saying that we need to do is complain to apple, call and send emails to 
them?

Mister Ed, you need to be so careful with your answers, because you are showing 
that you didn’t read my emails, and you are just generalizing putting Mario and 
Me in the same box, it is very similar than segregation, and obviously you are 
doing that due to our race. In any email I didn’t say that anybody is 
discriminating me, or that I feel that someone is segregating me because of my 
race, it is something that you are saying, no me. In all emails about this 
topic, I have saying over and over that we need to write to apple,  we need to 
call and complain about it.

About Sieghard, what I am saying that he always has showed a strong attitude in 
pro of apple, minimizing the IOs bugs, he always pretends to reduce the noise 
that people makes about the apple bugs. Again, what he is doing is against the 
accessibility. Against apple, and against himself. If we start to minimize the 
noise of people that is complaining about the IOs bugs, it will not fix the 
problem. He said  that we need to complain to apple, and stop complaining in 
the list. No, it is no positive for us. I said that we need to complain, here 
and everywhere, about this bugs. It is the way how apple will pay attention to 
these problems. Obviously apple is no so worry about fixing bugs, obviously 
apple has les interest fixing voice over bugs. You and everybody here know that 
we have bunches of bugs in voice over for years, and apple never fixed them. It 
shows lack of interest.

Why they have lack of interest?

Because we have people saying that all IOs have bugs, that don’t worry, it is 
an isolated problem, that this and that. Reducing the noise of people who is 
being affected for these bugs.

I think that Sieghard is doing good asking the people to write to apple, he is 
doing good asking to complain directly to apple. But we need to make these 
problems public in the list, we need to make these problems visible to the 
whole community.

Mister Ed, please be so careful with the answers that you are writing. Also I 
suggest that you read the emails before generalize about this.

Respectfully,

 

didn’t 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 12:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

 

Hi Mario and Pablo,

Neither one of you are being discriminated on this group. This has nothing to 
do with race of any kind. Sieghard was just pointing out that all smart phones 
have their issues. He did not say Apple was the best. He was just trying to say 
that all  software’s have glitches. As for Sieghard he is the first one to send 
an email to Apple support if he finds an issue. He also advises everyone else 
if they have an issue with Apple to contact tech support.  That is all he meant 
by his email. I think one issue you guys do not understand is to just contact 
Apple when there is an issue and not to keep whining about it over and over and 
over on the list. It’s ok to mention it and see if anyone else is having the 
same issue. So get off your high horses and don’t be throwing out the race card.

Mr. Ed  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mário Gabriel
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 5:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

 



 


Wow, Pablo.
I make mine, your words.
Some American people do not admit or like to hear the truth.
They always discriminate the intelligence of those who are not American ...
And that's why in the past you were discriminated and insulted in this group.
I was here at that time and I heard all the bad things about you.
I am also discriminated in this group, and this will never change.
They always want to be right and do not admit that non-Americans have an 
opinion and are above them ...
But I always say what I think, because I am free and I have my rights.

If they treat me badly, I treat them badly.
If they treat me well, I treat them well.
cheers.

 

Às 20:15 de 15/12/2016, Pablo C. Morales escreveu:

Hi Sieghard

I think that you haven’t read the whole threads in the last days. I said so 
because you are replying this email without knowledge of why I am posting this 
email. I recommend that you check about it in the last 2  days. Yes it is an 
IOs list, however it doesn’t mean that we cannot say that apple is doing a bad 
job regarding software updates, and specially fixing the problems that their 
software team are creating each IOs update. Ma

RE: Apple TV

[Pablo C. Morales]

You can do also this:

1.   You ask your friend if he/she has a Bluetooth speaker/headset that 
they can bring to your home. You set the apple tv in your home, and connect 
yours’s friend Bluetooth receiver in the new apple tv.

2.   The other choice is that you also buy for your friend a Bluetooth 
speaker or headset, and you set both devices connected to your home’s tv.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Scott Berry
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 10:57 AM
To: Vi Phone 
Subject: Re: Apple TV

 

Peter,

 

Let me correct you this needs to be a sound bar with HDMI capability or it 
won’t work.

 

 

On Dec 16, 2016, at 7:04 AM, Peter Logan  > wrote:

 

You can do this...however for the initial setup you are going to need to be 
connected via HDMI to a TV, Soundbar, et.  Once the setup is done and the BT 
speakers paired .. most things should work properly.

 

I do this .. sometimes things like Netflix give me an error ... but in my case 
I just turn my SB back on and that fixes the issue.  I believe it has to do 
with the video ...Uu

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 16, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Rich Ring  > wrote:

I have purchased an Apple Tv as a Christmas present. Now, don’t laugh, the 
person for whom I’ve purchased this device does not have a television. What I 
would like to know, could the Apple TV’s output be sent to a good blue tooth 
speaker, thus allowing the device to function as a tv receiver without having 
to own a television? Sounds silly, I know, but I’d appreciate any thoughts on 
this matter.

Rising with the Phoenix

  www.the-phoenix.net   Sent from my Mac Book Air

rich Ring

richr...@gmail.com   

 

 

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RE: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

[Pablo C. Morales]

Well guys,

We own apple devices. If the quality of software is decreasing the usability of 
our phones, apple watches, iPads, etc. We need to complained to apple. We need 
to talk to them, we need to email them, we need to make noise, we need to make 
public these problems, so apple will take care about it. But no saying anything 
about this bugs, or defending the negligence of apple software developers, or 
just making noise at home. We are no doing anything.

We need to write, call, make public these problems. So apple seeing that their 
pocket is going to lose some money, then they will improve the software quality.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Devin Prater
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 12:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

 

Android only has real malware issues if one goes outside of the playstore. Same 
for any open computer, like Mac or Windows.

 

On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 9:41 PM Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com 
<mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> > wrote:

There's much to agree with here, but the article referred to was from
ZDNet, and that article did refer to another article which actually had
some real information. It wasn't just anecdotal, and it wasn't just some
rant from a guy in his basement with his own blog, which is what I was
expecting.

I would also think that quality of IOS and VoiceOver would be on topic
for this list.

It could also both be true that IOS has some quality issues and Android
has some malware issues. They aren't mutually exclusive!

Like I said, there's a lot to agree with below, such as how easy it
would be for this to go off topic and just turn into bashing and not
productive or constructive at all.

On 14/12/16 21:11, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> Pablo and others,
>
>
>
> You can find bunches of articles on anything on Google. I could send you
> 50 links of articles which praise Apple and iOS to high heaven, then I
> can send you just as many that are the complete opposite and the same
> applies to Google/Android. I can probably even find you some die-hard
> Blackberry fans who are posting that Blackberry is the best ever and
> both iOS and Android are complete BS. I don't think we have to get into
> what is better or if iOS is any good or anything like that. The point is
> that this is an iOS list, we are all here because we use iOS devices due
> to their very good level of accessibility. We all know there are bugs
> and that there always will be bugs. We all  know that Apple with iOS,
> Mac OS, TVOS and Watch OS don't have an exclusive on them, Android has
> them, Windows has them, Google Chrome has them and other software like
> Jaws, Office, Adobe, Firefox they all have bugs as do all apps.
>
> This list is and should be about helping each other, answering each
> others questions and posting articles about some particularly cool app
> or accessory. The list is also about posting about bugs you discover or
> think you have discovered, sure you can point out your thoughts that
> Apple should do more or that Apple really should have fixed this or that
> bug already or during the Beta cycle, but I think these rants which then
> result in endless one-liners about how somebody is right or wrong or
> should go and get an Android phone if they aren't happy with the iPhone
> are just getting old, they usually just rephrase what has already been
> said a dozen times over. As you know very well yourself Android isn't
> all it's made out to be and while you say you totally would have an
> Android phone if you could see there are also thousands of ex-Android
> users who can see and who love their new iPhones after making the
> switch. Then of course there are those "happy" Android users who bought
> Samsung's new flagship Note 7 only to be surprised when the smoke hit
> the fan, if this had happened to the iPhone 7 Apple would have been
> /crucified and in a much worse way than Samsung./
>
> Headlines like your ssubject "Apple has a serious problem with software
> quality" are typical link bait, you can go on Google and find lots of
> examples for either one, here is just one example that swings the other
> way from Forbes: "New Android Malware Strikes At Millions Of Smartphones".
>
> Sometimes you even find something that is more objective like the
> summary of this comparison article:
>
> iOS 10 vs Android 7.0 Nougat: Conclusion.
>
> In many respects, Android and iOS are very similar. They're both slick,
> refined, competent mobile operating systems. Each has its advantages and
> unique features, as well as frustrations and weaknesses.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Sieghard
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:

RE: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

[Pablo C. Morales]

 just rephrase 
what has already been said a dozen times over. As you know very well yourself 
Android isn't all it's made out to be and while you say you totally would have 
an Android phone if you could see there are also thousands of ex-Android users 
who can see and who love their new iPhones after making the switch. Then of 
course there are those "happy" Android users who bought Samsung's new flagship 
Note 7 only to be surprised when the smoke hit the fan, if this had happened to 
the iPhone 7 Apple would have been crucified and in a much worse way than 
Samsung.

Headlines like your ssubject "Apple has a serious problem with software 
quality" are typical link bait, you can go on Google and find lots of examples 
for either one, here is just one example that swings the other way from Forbes: 
"New Android Malware Strikes At Millions Of Smartphones".

Sometimes you even find something that is more objective like the summary of 
this comparison article:

iOS 10 vs Android 7.0 Nougat: Conclusion.

In many respects, Android and iOS are very similar. They're both slick, 
refined, competent mobile operating systems. Each has its advantages and unique 
features, as well as frustrations and weaknesses.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo C. Morales
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

 

Look at this article, you can find bunches of them on google.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-has-a-serious-problem-with-software-quality/

 

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Now is time to the bugs on apple watches

[Pablo C. Morales]

http://fortune.com/2016/12/14/apple-watch-watchos-update/

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Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

[Pablo C. Morales]

Look at this article, you can find bunches of them on
google.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-has-a-serious-problem-with-software-quali
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RE: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

[Pablo C. Morales]

Sorry, but it sound very similar than forcing you. Through stress, through 
making you tired of those announcements, and many other ways. It is forcing 
you, more over if you didn't require tech support, good for you, but if you 
require tech support, mandatory you have to install the last IOs, they don't 
care if that IOs has millions of voice over bugs, you have to install it. So, 
if it is no forcing customers, it looks very similar.
Again, I use iPhone no because I like apple policies, either because I like the 
way how I have my hands tied due to the many limitations that the apple 
platform has. No, I am using iPhone no because of those important things. I use 
iPhone because of the accessibility. Unfortunately I am blind, but for sure if 
I would be sighted, I would have an android phone. I see what my wife is able 
to do using her android phone, and really it looks magic. I am no able to do 
none of them because the limited apple platform.
However, it is what I have right now. No more choices for me. So I have to buy 
apple.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
rajmund
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 2:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

Hello Pablo,
Thanks for that.  However, I guess I wanted to prove that you can keep things 
on earlier versions, and you're not forced.  It's a first generation air, so 
should take the update fine.  Yes, I have just been keep canceling, but 
everyone can do that.  So I'll say it again, apple tries, but is not forcing 
the updates.Sent from a BrailleNote


 - Original Message -
From: "Pablo C.  Morales" <pablocmd2...@gmail.com
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 18:05:33 -0500
Subject: RE: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

For three possible reasons.  1.  You had to setup your iPad to avoid 
downloading the IOS.  It is no the default configuration, so if you don't have 
the training to do this, then you will have IOs in your iPad.
2.  You don't have  the last IOs, so you are no able to receive tech support..  
I assume that you don't have the iPad last release, so probably you don't care 
about it.  But if your iPad still is able to receive tech support, then apple 
will decline to give you tech support.
3.  You had cancelled several times the announcements saying that you have a 
IOs update.
One of these is why you are running IOs 9.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rajmund
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 4:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

And you still didn't answer me.  Suppose it's time to copy and paste.  Fine by 
me.  This statement is sooo false:
"> >>>> hi Pablo.
 Yes apple forces us to do the update.
 Sooner or later we have to do it." If this was true, how come I'm still on 9 
with the iPad?
Best regards, the big, huge, troll.  :P



Sent from a Braille Sense

- Original Message -
From: Mc3a1rio_Gabriel  <mario@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 9:05 pm
Subject: Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:




 Someone has to tell you.  God, you really are a big Troll.


 as 20:50 de 13/12/2016, Rajmund escreveu:
 Yes, I do.  You said that we're all forced to update.  And I'm telling you 
straight up, publicly, that we're not, otherwise how can I still be on IOS9? 
Feel free to insult me, a few of your messages bought the smile on my face, so 
no worries.  All's good, indeed.



 Sent from a Braille Sense

 - Original Message -
 From: Mc3a1rio_Gabriel  <mario@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 7:44 pm
 Subject: Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:




 We are talking about updates on iOS 10 not 9.  not new releases.
 Do you still want me to tell you something else.  please?
 cheers.


 as 18:23 de 13/12/2016, Rajmund escreveu:
 Hello,
 Interesting, my iPad is still happy on 9.3.5.  If we truly didn't have a 
choice, how come I'm still on 9, please?



 Sent from a Braille Sense

 - Original Message -
 From: Mc3a1rio_Gabriel  <mario@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 5:08 pm
 Subject: Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:





 hi Pablo.
 Yes apple forces us to do the update.
 Sooner or later we have to do it.



 as 16:48 de 13/12/2016, Pablo Cesar Morales escreveu:

 Yes, apple force you tu update.  If you have an iPhone new, and 
you have a problem and you call apple, they are no going to give 
you tech support if you don't have installed the last IOs 
release.  So apple decline the tech support if you don't have 
installed the last IOs release.  Apple by default download the 
IOs and fills your phone memory.  Apple make your life hard with 
hundreds of announcemnts sa

RE: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

[Pablo C. Morales]

For three possible reasons. 1. You had to setup your iPad to avoid downloading 
the IOS. It is no the default configuration, so if you don't have the training 
to do this, then you will have IOs in your iPad.
2. You don't have  the last IOs, so you are no able to receive tech support. I 
assume that you don't have the iPad last release, so probably you don't care 
about it. But if your iPad still is able to receive tech support, then apple 
will decline to give you tech support.
3. You had cancelled several times the announcements saying  that you have a 
IOs update.
One of these is why you are running IOs 9.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rajmund
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 4:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

And you still didn't answer me.  Suppose it's time to copy and paste. Fine by 
me.  This statement is sooo false:
">  hi Pablo.
>  Yes apple forces us to do the update.
>  Sooner or later we have to do it." If this was true, how come I'm still 
>  on 9 with the iPad?
Best regards, the big, huge, troll. :P



Sent from a Braille Sense 

- Original Message -
From: Mc3a1rio_Gabriel  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 9:05 pm
Subject: Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

>
>
> 
> Someone has to tell you. God, you really are a big Troll.
> 
> 
> as 20:50 de 13/12/2016, Rajmund escreveu:
> > Yes, I do. You said that we're all forced to update. And I'm telling you 
> > straight up, publicly, that we're not, otherwise how can I still be on 
> > IOS9? Feel free to insult me, a few of your messages bought the smile on my 
> > face, so no worries. All's good, indeed.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from a Braille Sense
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Mc3a1rio_Gabriel  
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 7:44 pm
> > Subject: Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> We are talking about updates on iOS 10 not 9. not new releases.
> >> Do you still want me to tell you something else. please?
> >> cheers.
> >>
> >>
> >> as 18:23 de 13/12/2016, Rajmund escreveu:
> >>> Hello,
> >>> Interesting, my iPad is still happy on 9.3.5. If we truly didn't have a 
> >>> choice, how come I'm still on 9, please?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from a Braille Sense
> >>>
> >>> - Original Message -
> >>> From: Mc3a1rio_Gabriel  
> >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>> Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 5:08 pm
> >>> Subject: Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:
> >>>
>    
> 
> 
> 
>  hi Pablo.
>  Yes apple forces us to do the update.
>  Sooner or later we have to do it.
> 
> 
> 
>  as 16:48 de 13/12/2016, Pablo Cesar Morales escreveu:
> 
>  Yes, apple force you tu update. If you have an iPhone new, and you have 
>  a problem and you call apple, they are no going to give you tech support 
>  if you don't have installed the last IOs release. So apple decline the 
>  tech support if you don't have installed the last IOs release. Apple by 
>  default download the IOs and fills your phone memory. Apple make your 
>  life hard with hundreds of announcemnts saying that the IOs x  is ready 
>  to be install.
>  So, if it is no forcing, looks very similar.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>  Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
>  Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 11:43 AM
>  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>  Subject: RE: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:
> 
>  No one is forcing you to install an update.  I have not done so and 
>  don't plan too until the keypad issue is fixed for iphone 7.
> 
> 
>  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>  Behalf Of Pablo Cesar Morales
>  Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:37 AM
>  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>  Subject: RE: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:
> 
>  Guys,
>  I was like all of you. So mad with apple, with the fact that they breaks 
>  accessibility points that were working before and stop working. I was so 
>  mad because apple force you to install their IOs version, breaking the 
>  accessibility that we need, and we need to wait months until we are able 
>  to use our phone like we were doing before. Yes, I was so mad. I tried 
>  android, and I changed my mind. Apple is better.
>  Android is several towns behind than IOs regarding accessibility.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>  Behalf Of regina alvarado
>  Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 11:03 AM
>  To: 

RE: Having to restart voice over

[Pablo C. Morales]

Oh wow, No, I didn't find that problem with emails. I found it using Siri 
sometimes, not always, and also when I unlock my phone, sometimes also, no 
always. What is happening more over is that the phone app crash when I double 
tab on it. Voice over, and the whole phone stop working. I think it is a IOS 
bug, because I had the same problem with my old iPhone 5s, and now with my new 
iPhone 7.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 1:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Having to restart voice over

I find this primarily after either replying to a message with lots of responses 
or after using MBraille to reply to a message.

Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo C. Morales
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 9:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Having to restart voice over

I have tried other voices. Samanta for example, and it has the same problem.
.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rick Alfaro
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 12:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Having to restart voice over

I am using Alex as well. So far from what I'm reading, Alex seems to be the 
common denominator among those seeing this issue.  I'm going to change to 
another voice and see what happens.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lelia Struve
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 6:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Having to restart voice over

I am using Alex

Lelia 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Thom Spittle <thom3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This is when it happens to me as well. I have to use siri to turn off voice 
> over, then ask her to turn it back on. Or use the home button shortcut.
> I'm wondering if it happens to just the Alex voice.
> 
> Thom
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 10:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Having to restart voice over
> 
> Something happened to me last night after I hung up a call. I had, however, 
> no sounds at all at first, then I had the clicks when I swiped. My wife had a 
> look and everything looked fine. I simply turned my phone off and powered it 
> back on and Voiceover was back. This was the first time and I guess I'll see 
> if this happens again.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 2:10 PM
> To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: RE: Having to restart voice over
> 
> Yeah, that happens to me too, intermittently. I'll try to see if it's always 
> after I use Siri. At this point, I'm not sure on that. I know it is not 
> allways after I use Siri, though.
> Keith
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Thom Spittle
> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 3:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Having to restart voice over
> 
> It just stops talking. I hear the clicks, but that's it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 9, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Do you mean VO just stops talking? Or are you hearing double voices?
>> I've seen both issues.
>> 
>>> On 12/9/16, Thom Spittle <thom3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi listers,
>>> 
>>> It seems like every time I use siri, voice over stops working after 
>>> that. I need to turn off voice over, then turn on voice over, in 
>>> order to get it to work again.
>>> 
>>> I an using an iPhone 5s updated to 10.1.1 with alex as my voice over voice.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> 
>>> Thom
>>> 
>>> thom3...@gmail.com
>>> 
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RE: what's the email to report an accessibility problem to Apple?

[Pablo C. Morales]

Chip, 

The email address is 

accessibil...@apple.com  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 1:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: what's the email to report an accessibility problem to Apple?

 

Hi Chip,

 

What problem are you planning to report? I find it’s often a good idea to also 
post it to the list and in fact I sometimes post something to the list and CC 
Apple Accessibility on it or vice versa since sometimes what I think might be a 
bug is something others don’t experience, have a fix for or in some cases Apple 
may have changed how something is supposed to work and it may appear as a bug 
when it is not. I am not saying this is the case with your issue, but if you 
let the list know then others can try to reproduce it as well and add their 
voice to yours in reporting it.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chip Orange
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 5:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: what's the email to report an accessibility problem to Apple?

 

Can someone give me the email to use in order to report a possible IOS 
accessibility issue to Apple?

 

Thanks,

 

Chip

 

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RE: Having to restart voice over

[Pablo C. Morales]

I have tried other voices. Samanta for example, and it has the same problem.
.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rick Alfaro
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 12:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Having to restart voice over

I am using Alex as well. So far from what I'm reading, Alex seems to be the 
common denominator among those seeing this issue.  I'm going to change to 
another voice and see what happens.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lelia Struve
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 6:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Having to restart voice over

I am using Alex

Lelia 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Thom Spittle  wrote:
> 
> This is when it happens to me as well. I have to use siri to turn off voice 
> over, then ask her to turn it back on. Or use the home button shortcut.
> I'm wondering if it happens to just the Alex voice.
> 
> Thom
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 10:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Having to restart voice over
> 
> Something happened to me last night after I hung up a call. I had, however, 
> no sounds at all at first, then I had the clicks when I swiped. My wife had a 
> look and everything looked fine. I simply turned my phone off and powered it 
> back on and Voiceover was back. This was the first time and I guess I'll see 
> if this happens again.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 2:10 PM
> To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
> Subject: RE: Having to restart voice over
> 
> Yeah, that happens to me too, intermittently. I'll try to see if it's always 
> after I use Siri. At this point, I'm not sure on that. I know it is not 
> allways after I use Siri, though.
> Keith
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Thom Spittle
> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 3:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Having to restart voice over
> 
> It just stops talking. I hear the clicks, but that's it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 9, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Kimber Gardner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Do you mean VO just stops talking? Or are you hearing double voices?
>> I've seen both issues.
>> 
>>> On 12/9/16, Thom Spittle  wrote:
>>> Hi listers,
>>> 
>>> It seems like every time I use siri, voice over stops working after 
>>> that. I need to turn off voice over, then turn on voice over, in 
>>> order to get it to work again.
>>> 
>>> I an using an iPhone 5s updated to 10.1.1 with alex as my voice over voice.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> 
>>> Thom
>>> 
>>> thom3...@gmail.com
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RE: Having to restart voice over

[Pablo C. Morales]

I have tried Alex and Samanta. Both have the same problem.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 8:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Having to restart voice over

It happens to me with compact Samantha, so I'm not sure it's related to the 
voice being used.


Sent from Kimber's iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2016, at 5:04 PM, Thom Spittle  wrote:
> 
> I do have the latest update and have not called apple about it.
> I want to pinpoint what is wrong to the point of them replicating it.It is 
> getting very annoying. I think I will change voice and see if that helps.
> 
> Thom
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Lelia Struve
> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Having to restart voice over
> 
> Hi, do you all have the latest update and also has anyone reported this to 
> Apple accessibility by chance? If so what did they say?
> 
> Lelia
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2016, at 2:25 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>> 
>> I have had it happen too on an iPhone 7 with Alex as my voice. I have 
>> had Alex stop speaking but the VO sounds play, and have had to mute 
>> and unmute the speech and in some cases turn VoiceOver off and back 
>> on again. The other day I had to turn VO off and on a couple of times 
>> before it came back. I can't pinpoint what situations it has happened 
>> since it can pop up at totally random times. Sometimes it happens 
>> when I am swiftly going through icons on an app for example, but it 
>> doesn't seem like it happens in the same apps. Or not that I've 
>> noticed anyway.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>>> On 12/10/16, Nancy Badger  wrote:
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> This has been happening to me frequently. I have not figured out any 
>>> common denominator for when it happens. All I know is, the only 
>>> thing I can do is stop voiceover, and then started again using my 
>>> home button. I have my home button on the selection toggle voiceover 
>>> on or off. It has happened to enough of us that I wonder if we should not 
>>> all report it to Apple.
>>> Nancy
>>> 
>>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>>> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services UT Chattanooga Sent from 
>>> my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
>>> 
 On Dec 9, 2016, at 10:51 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
 
 Something happened to me last night after I hung up a call. I had, 
 however, no sounds at all at first, then I had the clicks when I swiped.
 My wife had a look and everything looked fine. I simply turned my 
 phone off and powered it back on and Voiceover was back. This was 
 the first time and I guess I'll see if this happens again.
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
 Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 2:10 PM
 To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
 Subject: RE: Having to restart voice over
 
 Yeah, that happens to me too, intermittently. I'll try to see if 
 it's always after I use Siri. At this point, I'm not sure on that. 
 I know it is not allways after I use Siri, though.
 Keith
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Thom Spittle
 Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 3:27 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Having to restart voice over
 
 It just stops talking. I hear the clicks, but that's it.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Dec 9, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Kimber Gardner 
> 
> wrote:
> 
> Do you mean VO just stops talking? Or are you hearing double voices?
> I've seen both issues.
> 
>> On 12/9/16, Thom Spittle  wrote:
>> Hi listers,
>> 
>> It seems like every time I use siri, voice over stops working 
>> after that. I need to turn off voice over, then turn on voice 
>> over, in order to get it to work again.
>> 
>> I an using an iPhone 5s updated to 10.1.1 with alex as my voice 
>> over voice.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
>> Thom
>> 
>> thom3...@gmail.com
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RE: Having to restart voice over

[Pablo C. Morales]

I have noticed that sometimes, very often, voice over crash when I  unlock the 
screen. Moreover I have noticed that opening the phone app, voice over is no 
working, or the phone app is no working, I don't know where is the problem in 
this case.

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alia robinson
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 9:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Having to restart voice over

I don’t think it’s a voiceover issue specifically. as I said my music wasn’t 
playing either. I could hear voiceover if I asked siri something, but when I 
left that listen screen it went away again. something very buggy is happening 
here.
> On Dec 10, 2016, at 9:26 AM, Russ Kiehne  wrote:
> 
> My brother who has a iphone 6 is having the same issue.

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RE: issues with uber update

[Pablo C. Morales]

Sorry, but it is no what is happening around the world with GPS. Myself as well 
uber drivers all the time are hearing wrong indications through the GPS. For 
some reason uber has been hiring different satilite serveces in the last 
months. Here where I live, is no huge buildings, My building Is the highest 
building, and it has 3 floors. So,
Why my Uber app says that I am 2 streets down?
Why maps or even google maps always says that I am no where I am?
I never has seen any gps with that range of accuracy, sorry, but I never has 
seen one like that.
Here the drivers are always complaining about the guidance that the UBER 
satilite app is giving to tthem.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 9:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: issues with uber update

I can't speak for the Uber app or the service as it is only available in a 
few cities in Canada, but as far as GPS goes it should be accurate enough 
for this purpose. Provided you have a good view of the sky and aren't in a 
building or a super-narrow area surrounded by high-rise buildings GPS 
accuracy should be 5 meters (about 16 feet) or for sure it should be 10 
metres (about 32 feet). This mya not be good enough to find an exact spot, 
but good enough for most uses.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Pablo C. Morales
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 3:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: issues with uber update

I have been getting difficulties with uber since more than one month ago. 
Before I was able to select my pick up in a list of choices, now I have to 
find where I am. The current position doesn't work very well, because we 
know that GPS are no so accurate. Moreover before I had more control on the 
app, but in the last updates uber has done a lot of steps back.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Deb Lewis
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 12:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: issues with uber update

I didn't have any difficulty with this latest update which I downloaded just 
now. So I would recommend deleting and reinstalling it. It logged in fine 
for me.

On 12/6/16, SCOTT VAN GORP <s_vang...@msn.com> wrote:
> Hi List:
>
> Anyone else having issues with the latest update to the uber app?
> Now, instead of taking me to the familiar screen that would have
> already logged in with my email and password, it presents me with a
> screen to enter my phone number or log in with facebook. When I enter
> my mobile number, it says that uber can't recognize it.  Any ideas? I
> really don't want to log in with facebook if I can help it,  so any
> help would be  most appreciated. I can't even go to a request screen
> to get a ride! I don't seem to find a place to add my phone number to an 
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RE: issues with uber update

[Pablo C. Morales]

I have been getting difficulties with uber since more than one month ago. 
Before I was able to select my pick up in a list of choices, now I have to find 
where I am. The current position doesn't work very well, because we know that 
GPS are no so accurate. Moreover before I had more control on the app, but in 
the last updates uber has done a lot of steps back.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Deb Lewis
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 12:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: issues with uber update

I didn't have any difficulty with this latest update which I downloaded just 
now. So I would recommend deleting and reinstalling it. It logged in fine for 
me.

On 12/6/16, SCOTT VAN GORP  wrote:
> Hi List:
>
> Anyone else having issues with the latest update to the uber app?  
> Now, instead of taking me to the familiar screen that would have 
> already logged in with my email and password, it presents me with a 
> screen to enter my phone number or log in with facebook. When I enter 
> my mobile number, it says that uber can't recognize it.  Any ideas? I 
> really don't want to log in with facebook if I can help it,  so any 
> help would be  most appreciated. I can't even go to a request screen 
> to get a ride! I don't seem to find a place to add my phone number to an uber 
> profile,  so I'm stuck. Thannks!
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RE: A weird phone keypad problem with the iPhone 7:

[Pablo C. Morales]

I have taken this problem, but occasionally . I think that it depends of which 
apps we have open in the background. I am not sure, but I have noticed that it 
could affect making the numeric keypad disappear.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Donna
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 7:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A weird phone keypad problem with the iPhone 7:

 

Don

 

I have an iPhone 7 & I'm not having the described problem of the phone number 
keypad disappearing once a call has been made. I've seen other messages from 
people having the same problem, but haven't seen anyone have a solution to the 
problem. 

 

Donna 

 

My friend has an iPhone 7 and for some reason even if I bring up the phone app 
and select keypad and call a number once the number connects the keypad goes 
away and you need to click on keypad to get it back.

 

Is there a setting that controls this?

 

I didn't see one.

 

I never have that problem with the iPhone 6 s I have and we are both running 
the latest IOS.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Don

 

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RE: Apple watch's Bluetooth capabilities

[Pablo C. Morales]

Yes, I agree that a virtual keyboard in that little screen makes no sense. 
However if the apple watch has wifi capability, my iPhone needs to be connected 
to the wifi first, and this settings are used for the apple watch. Now I have a 
couple of questions based in this situation.

The apple watch keep permanently the wifi configurations stored in the apple 
watch?

Or it needs always the iPhone around to be able to connect to a wifi. Once the 
iPhone is connected to the wifi, the settings of this wifi are transferred to 
the apple watch, or these settings needs to be transfer every time?

Thanks

 

 

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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 7:10 PM
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Subject: RE: Apple watch's bluetooth capabilities

 

No, I don't think so, the watch connects to the same network your phone is on 
so there is no actual WiFi settings on the watch itself.

Also, note that there is no on-screen keyboard, you can reply to text messages 
(or send them) using SIRI and SIRI alone.

There also is no phone keypad which in my opinion is stupid and unexplainable 
to me since there is a keypad on the screen to enter your security code for 
when the watch is not on your arm. When it's on your arm you can unlock it the 
first time simply by unlocking your iPhone with touch Id, consequently you 
don't have to unlock the watch as long as it stays on your arm. What I don't 
get is why there is no phone DialPad if it clearly is possible to have a 
functional keypad on the screen. Granted you don't often need it, but what if 
you want to make a call with the watch where you have to navigate even a simple 
menu like "Press 1 for Customer Servive" or "Press 2 for Technical Support".

 

Regards,

Sieghard

Regards,

Sieghard

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo C. Morales
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Subject: Apple watch's bluetooth capabilities

 

Hi all,

Just a question about the apple watch. This device has Bluetooth 4. Can I 
connect a Bluetooth keyboard to a apple watch?

In case that it is no possible,  how can I connect this apple watch to a  
wwireless network?

Thank you,

 

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RE: apple tv, and emails

[Pablo C. Morales]

I would like to know why apple is doing it?

Most smart TVs allow users to browse on internet, and some smart Tv allow users 
to read emails. It doesn’t make any sense.

 

 

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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 5:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: apple tv, and emails

 

No, Apple has not brought Safari to the Apple TV 4th Generation and so far has 
apparently not allowed third party developers such as Google or Firefox to make 
browsers for the Apple TV.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

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Subject: apple tv, and emails

 

Hi Guys,

With the apple tv 4th generation, or what ever is the name of the last apple 
tv. Are we able to navigate on internet?

Thank you,

 

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RE: Identifi

[Pablo C. Morales]

The perception that being old, or over weight, or short, or blind as something 
bad, is just opinions. The app is going to see that there is people with gray 
hair, and it is a true like we are blind. Now if we perceive that being old or 
being blind is something bad, it is our problem. I don't see as a problem that 
the app detail these kind of things.

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Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 4:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Identifi

It may have been developed by a young man (to me 17 or 18 is not a kids any 
more) but I'm sure he doesn't control the actual descriptions. I don't know how 
the app does what it does, but it is obviously comparing the pictures to some 
sort of database and then it makes intelligent choices as to what it "sees".



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Andy Baracco
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 1:12 PM
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Subject: Re: Identifi

Keep in mind that it was developed by a kid, to whom anyone over the age of 
30 is probably "old".
Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Sherrie
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 10:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Identifi

I was really happy that it actually read out the name from a round
supplement bottle in pretty low light.  Much better than KNFB.  And it did a
good job on pictures, too.  But it was brutally honest! The description for
a picture of me, my husband, my sister and her husband was "old people
couples picture".  I laughed until I cried!
Guess the gray hair gave it away!
Sherrie Gosling

-Original Message- 
From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 11:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Identifi

How far from the object does the phone have to be in order to read text??
At 01:35 PM 12/1/2016, you wrote:
>qHi, just for your info, I am using the 6 s with the latest I O S.  I 
>haven’t had a bad pic result yet and I have been playing with the 
>Identifi since around 4:30 this morning.  Also, I took some pics in very 
>low lighting.  I selected for the high quality results.  What I am happy 
>about is that taking a picture of text was quick and with excellent 
>results.  I hope that those of you that are not getting good results, do so 
>eventually.  You’ll love it.  Andy and Shubert
>Andrew J. LaPointe
>Co-Chairman
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Apple watch's bluetooth capabilities

[Pablo C. Morales]

Hi all,

Just a question about the apple watch. This device has Bluetooth 4. Can I
connect a Bluetooth keyboard to a apple watch?

In case that it is no possible,  how can I connect this apple watch to a
wwireless network?

Thank you,

 

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apple tv, and emails

[Pablo C. Morales]

Hi Guys,

With the apple tv 4th generation, or what ever is the name of the last apple
tv. Are we able to navigate on internet?

Thank you,

 

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something weird with the mail app

[Pablo C. Morales]

I started noticing something in my mail app since I reset my iPhone 7
yesterday. Now I have in my mail app the following structure..

Mail boxes, heading

Edit, button

All inboxes, x number of unread messages, button

Below I have the list of all account in my iPhone. I wil open one of them,
however this issue is happening in all mailboxes.

I flick until 

gmail, 2 unread messages,  button

and I double tab.

If I start reading from the top, or if I start reading from any other part I
will heard a cancel button below the search text field. I am not in editing
mode on this text field. If I double tab on cancel button, nothing happen. I
didn't have this cancel button here before. What is this?

 

 

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RE: Netatmo Black Friday deal

[Pablo C. Morales]

What is it?

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2016 2:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Netatmo Black Friday deal

 

Hi,

 

Just quickly wanted to mention that if anybody is interested in the Netatmo 
Weather Station or if people who have one want to add a moddule that there is 
now a 25% discount on all Netatmo products until Monday. All you have to do is 
enter the discount code BF2016 during checkout.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

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RE: how to reset iPhone 7

[Pablo C. Morales]

Hi Guys,

I don’t know if I am doing something wrong. But When I do the reset keystrokes, 
pressing first the power button, and the low volume button, the phone turn off, 
but it doesn’t turn on again.

It is normal?

I thought that I t was going to turn off, and turn on again.

 

 

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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2016 11:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how to reset iPhone 7

 

Hi Pablo,

 

Because the home button is no longer a mechanical button, the way to force a 
restart or put your phone in DFU mode (if necessary) has  changed a bit with 
the iPhone 7. Instead of Power and Home button you press Power and Volume Down 
button. Make sure you press the power button first, a bit ahead of pressing the 
volume down button since otherwise you may accidently turn your volume down to 
0 annd then when the phone restarts you may not hear Voiceover. Here is an 
excerpt of an article from iMore.com and the link to it below:

 

How to reboot your iPhone 7

 

If your iPhone 7 stops responding and you can't even turn it off by holding 
down the power button, you may need to force a reboot as follows:

1. Press and hold down the On/Off button on the right side

2. While continuing to hold the On/Off button, press and hold the volume down 
button on the left side of your iPhone.

3. Hold both buttons as the screen turns off, and keep holding them until the 
screen turns back on and displays the Apple logo.

 

You would hold it the usual length, about 6 or 8 seconds is enough. Hhere the 
link to the full article which also includes instructions as to how you put an 
iPhone 7 in DFU mode:

 

 <http://www.imore.com/how-to-reset-enter-dfu-mode-iphone-7> 
http://www.imore.com/how-to-reset-enter-dfu-mode-iphone-7

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

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Sent: Friday, November 25, 2016 8:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: how to reset iPhone 7

 

Hi guys,

Days ago I wrote to the list, however I don’t know if my email came to the 
list. I used to reset my iPhone 5s holding down the home and power button for a 
few seconds. Now with my iPhone 7, this way to reset my iPhone 7 is not working 
anymore. How can I reset an iPhone 7?

Thank you so much,

 

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how to reset iPhone 7

[Pablo C. Morales]

Hi guys,

Days ago I wrote to the list, however I don't know if my email came to the
list. I used to reset my iPhone 5s holding down the home and power button
for a few seconds. Now with my iPhone 7, this way to reset my iPhone 7 is
not working anymore. How can I reset an iPhone 7?

Thank you so much,

 

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RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

[Pablo C. Morales]

Hi Mr. Ed,
My apology,
I didn't see your previous email about this topic. Now I understand all of this 
much better. I called to this company, and they gave me the following 
information. For unlimited minutes, unlimited text messages, and 4gb of data, 
is $90. I don't need unlimited text messages, but I need unlimited minutes, and 
sometimes I need to work on the bus, or traveling, so I use a lot of data. $90 
is cheaper than almost all other companies, but  I just wanted to highlight the 
cost of the data. This kind of plans are good for the most people, but in my 
case could be more expensive than AT right now. We have a family plan, and 
everyone is paying $35 per month, and we share 15gb between 6  phones. I use 
the most part . Ha!

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

Hi Pablo,
Like I said in my previous email on this subject Consumer Cellular is own by A 
T & T, so you will have the same single strength as being on A T & T. I believe 
4 gig of data on Consumer Cellular is $40.00 and 1000  minutes of talk time is 
$20.00. That is the nice thing about Consumer Cellular is you choose how many 
minutes and data you want. If say you choose 4 gig of data and you only use 1.5 
gig of data you can lower it down to 1.5 gig right at the end of the billing 
cycle and save you self $20.00. Like myself I chose 500 mb and say I would use 
1.5 gig they would move me up to that level after I go over the 500 mb. So say 
the next month I see I am only going to use 400 mb I would change it back to 
500 mb and save $5 or $ 10 bucks depending on where it was before I moved it 
back to where I want it. If you do not understand all this you really don't 
have to worry about it as they adjust your plan according to how much you use. 
You will get an email telling you if you are getting close to the amount you 
have chosen. 
I think if you are with any of the big carriers and you move to Consumer 
Cellular you will cut your bill in half or less. Also since your bill is a lot 
cheaper you can buy your iPhone from them if you like and make payments for it 
and your bill will still be lower than the big carriers. 
Give them a call at  (888) 345-5509  and they can explain it all to you. I will 
bet you will find it a lot cheaper than the big carriers. What do you have to 
lose by calling them and asking your questions. 
Mr. Ed

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

Well, but what about the data cost? With data just for 4gb, is around 90$ What 
about the quality of signal?
I was using t-mobile for years, but I had to switch for AT  because the low 
quality of signal.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

Hi Kelly,
I am not sure I totally understand your question. When you switch over to 
Consumer Cellular you will still have a way to check how many talk minutes, 
text, and data you use. It still is listed under setting/cellular. Also 
consumer Cellular has an app that is totally accessible and it list all your 
usage on the simple to use app. Did you know that Consumer Cellular is owned by 
A T So you are using the same towers as everyone who is on A T Just for 
your information. My last bill was only $25.00 for the month. Then I have my 
wife on my plan for $10.00. So to have to iPhones on Consumer Cellular only 
cost me $35.00 a month. I know on Verizon it would have cost me around $140.00 
for two iPhones. So I think that is quite a saving. That price is based on the 
amount of talk, data I  used. I would encourage any of you to go to 
Consumercellular.com and check it out. You can also give them a call as they 
have great tech support and would be able to tell you what it would cost you to 
use their service. It is very easy to switch over. All you have to do is call 
them and have them send you a free sim card for your iPhone and when you get it 
you put it in and give them a call. They will switch you over and you can keep 
your same phone number. They will take you off your old carrier for you and you 
will be connected to Consumer Cellular.  It is that easy.
Mr. Ed   

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 9:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

When switching from a major carrier to a reseller, things like visual voice 
mail and keypad codes that display the number 

RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

[Pablo C. Morales]

No really, I talked to this company, and for unlimited minutes, unlimited text 
messages, and 4GB of data was around $90  If I add one more phone in the plan, 
it cost $10 aditional, but I will need to share the 4Gb with 2 phones.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

 

Hi 

Is That $40.00 plan you are talking about is it for one iPhone?  So I assume if 
you have two iPhones on  it,  it would   be $80.00? I have two iPhones on 
Consumer Cellular for $35.00. I think it really depends on how much talk and 
data you use as to which plan would be cheaper.

Mr. Ed

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

 

Wow!

That is cheaper than Consumer Cellular for twice the data and way more minutes 
as we have 250  minutes and 1.5 GB of data for $5.00 more than whayou are 
paying.

I'll have to check into that.

Thanks,

Richard

 

 

“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."

- Satsuki Shibuya

(Sent from my iPhone 5S)


On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Chip Orange  > wrote:

Richard,

That's what I thought visual voice mail was? Just being there on the phone.

FYI, since I own my phone, and I assume you guys do as well, I am using an AT 
plan sold under their "Go Phone" brand, which is 3gb of data and unlimitted 
voice for $40 per month (no contract required); is Consumer really that much 
less?  I know T-mobil is slightly less at around $30 per month (but they limit 
the voice minutes), so I am curious about Consumer?

Thanks.

Chip


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

I have only had Consumer Cellular, so I cannot speak to what happens when you 
change from a major carrier, but Consumer Cellular has an app that shows your 
minutes used, text messages used and data used.  Granted, it is 24 to 48 hours 
before you can truly trust the numbers.  They also have a policy to alert you 
via Email when you are approaching your monthly limit.  Plus, now instead of 
charging a penalty if you go over, they simply bump you up to the next level, 
which is usually only $10 and since you ccan change plans monthly if you want 
to, you can just change back at the start of the next month.
I've never fully understood the visual voice mail stuff, but voice mmail works 
great and I don't have to call in to get it, it is just there on the phone.

HTH,
Richard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

When switching from a major carrier to a reseller, things like visual
voice mail and keypad codes that display the number of minutes and
data used are not available to the customer of the reseller.  Losing
these frills is worth the savings for me.

Kelly



On 11/21/16, Mr. Ed  > 
wrote:

Hi Cher,

 

I have installed two iPhones on Consumer Cellular with no issues. I think

they are a great service and they will also save you a ton of money.  Their

tech support is great.

 

Mr. Ed

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf

Of Cher Bosch

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:30 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: iPhones on Consumer Cellular network

 

 

 

Has anyone who switched to Consumer Cellular found that they lost any phone

functionality. I was told by one of their reps that there is a possibility

that some features may not transfer from our AT network to theirs. Thanks

for sharing your experiences.

 

 

 

Cher

 

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Bluetooth keyboard more than one device

[Pablo C. Morales]

Hi all,

I would like to ask to all of you a suggestion of a Bluetooth keyboard that
I will be able to connect  to an iPhone 7, and also an Apple TV. Moreover I
would like to be able to a third device, that could be a windows tablet, or
maybe an android device. Which device, which Bluetooth keyboard has this
flexibility?

Thanks to all,

 

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Netflix tips

[Pablo C. Morales]

Hi list,

I just installed Netflix in my iPhone, and I just created an account. I have
noticed that I was a little bit lost using this app, and I noticed also that
sometimes voice over got stock, or something there is no very accessible.
Anybody has some  tips about how to handle this app, for example. During the
registration, several things weren't very accessible, but how ever I
finished the registration. I have no idea what did I selected or what I
didn't selected, because sometimes is no way if something was selected or
not. How can I modify or check what is the current configuration of my
account?

Thanks

 

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RE: Home and Ios 10.

[Pablo C. Morales]

Yes, you can place apps that you don’t use in a place that you know. However 
some people like me, I don’t like some apps that are built on my phone> now 
with this IOs, I am able to remove from my phone some apps that came built in 
my phone. Example: stocks app, or the iWatch app, or other apps that I just 
don’t use. I deleted them, and now I have more space on my home screen, more 
space in folders.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dianne Phelps
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Home and Ios 10.

 

I am not sure which screen you are all talking about, but for my “Home” screen 
holding all of my apps, I simply rearranged the order of thingsquite 
extensively, placing things I don’t use at the end of the list and those things 
I do use more often on the first page which saves me a great deal of time. I 
don’t feel I need to really delete anything as I have enough space in memory 
for those things I wish to do. Though I don’t use certain things offered, I 
figure someone somewhere does. So I just put them out of my way and carry on.

 

Dianne and Hibiscus

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RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

[Pablo C. Morales]

Thanks guys,

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

 

As Pat Paulsen used to say “picky, picky, picky.”  Grin.

 

I knew right after I sent that I should have done the process and made sure of 
the button label.  That’s what I get for getting older.  Ha, Ha.

 

Richard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

 

Hi Richard,

 

You are so wrong, can’t you give correct instructions? *grin*

The button at the top right is not “Save” but “Add”.

After all the feature is “Add to Homescreen” and not “Save to Homescreen”. Just 
ask Todd, he’ll tell you (sorry, couldn’t help myself, just joking)

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

 

Yes.

While on that page in Safari, find the share button which is usually just above 
the home button at the bottom of the screen.

Double tap that and flick left with one finger until you find “add to home 
screen.”

Double tap and you will have an edit box where you can edit the name.

Just remember to double tap on the done or save button in the upper right.

 

HTH,

Richard

 

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 11:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

 

Hi all,

I have been out from the list for a few months. Now I am using an iPhone 7, and 
I have a question for all of you.

Is there a way to create a shortcut, kind of icon app on the home page for a 
specific web page, that when we double tab, opens that web page on safari in 
one step?

Thank you so much,

 

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RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Pablo C. Morales]

More over, if we hear careful, we will notice that on activate, a few seconds 
after, voice over says, default.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Hi Richard,

I think the "Activate" option which in fact should be "Delete" is not the 
default. If it were and you were to double tap immediately after double tapping 
on Arrange Apps without flicking up or down then the response should be the 
prompt to delete the app, but the response is to Move he app so the default is 
Move and not Activate/Delete and that is my story and I'm sticking to it *smile*

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd and all,

I have my Braille Edge connected to my iPhone.  The commands are the same for 
all HIMS braille displays, so it is the same as your Braille Sense Mini.
I turned off speech so I am only going by what the display says.
The steps are:
1.  Use cord-dot4 or dot 1 to get to  the app you want to delete.
2.  Press cord-dot6.  When it shows "arrange apps" press cord-dots 3,6.
3.  Press cord-dot6 again so it shows "activate default."  Press cord-dots3,6.
4.  It will say "delete app" at that point, hit cord-dot6 until you get to the 
delete button and press cord-dots3,6.

Now, this is where Apple should make two changes.  
When you are "arranging apps" and it shows "activate default" that should show 
"delete default" since that is now the default action.
Also, to get out of edit mode, you have to press the physical home button on 
the phone.  If you press cord-h it will exit terminal mode and your display 
won't be connected to your braille display.

I hope this is helpful.

Richard



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

to all,

the quote is blindness separates us form things and deafness separates us form 
people.

blind gain wonderful things to have communication than deaf do. deaf is more 
disabled than blind due to communication issues. sometimes apple staff don't 
realize this. there are some issues apple staff don't guarantee by not dealing 
with braille display users. they think what they belive, but they don't 
realize. there are some issues that brialle users have.

todd, go to settings, then go to genreal, then go to storage and then there is 
something that yo can look and enter app, then go down and find the word 
"delete" and then it asks yo if yo are sure and you say yes and then app is 
gone.

ssincerely,
rich


-Original Message-
From: Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

Actually, there is really no way to do that!

Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!

How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen is 
showing or see where to find on the screen!

Think about it.

Todd

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd,
You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims Notetaker 
list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps should be similar

You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've got to 
use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there should be Braille 
feedback of everything VO says.

1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar. 
When you get to the app
2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and Braille should 
show"Moving [app name]."
3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking whether you 
want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and double-tap it. 
(You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
here.)
4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.

HTH,
Dani





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On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus  wrote:
> To all:
>
>
>
> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to 
> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech 
> users.
> That
> is not fair.
>
>
>
> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>
>
>
> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>
>
>
> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the 
> right commands for that task.
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>

RE: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

[Pablo C. Morales]

I haven’t taken any problem deleting apps. More over I  was able to delete apps 
that I never needed, and I really like this flexibility to let me choose what I 
want and what no.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
rajmund
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 4:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

 

hi, I noticed it, but thought you couldn't delete apps that way, and left it at 
that.

On 19/11/2016 08:20 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi List and Apple Accessibility Team,

 

I just realized when I tried to explain to Todd how to delete apps that there 
is a small mistake in how the “Activate” and “Move” options are labelled.

 

What Voiceover actually says if you swipe up or down on an app and double tap 
on “Arrange Apps” is this (I am using the Facebook app as an example:

 

Activate, default

Move Facebook

 

However, in this case “Activate” which would prompt you to delete the Facebook 
app is actually not the default because if you double tap on Arrange Apps and 
then double tap a second time immediately without swiping up or down you end up 
activating the Move function and not the delete function, so “Move” is actually 
the default.

. Therefore, Voiceover should say simply “Activate” or, in this context it 
would actually be more accurate if Voiceover said “Delete” or “Remove” and it 
should further say “Move Facebook, default”.

 

In order to save myself some time I am CC’ing this email also to Apple 
Accessibility, it’s not a big deal and since nobody has brought this up before 
I assume I’m the first one to actually notice this, but that doesn’t mean they 
can’t fix it and in fact improve the labelling/instructions by making it so the 
“Activate” option says “Delete” or “Remove”.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

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