Re: Mail is driving me crazy!

[christopher hallsworth]

Ok go to settings>mail and turn off recent message on top.
> On 15 Sep 2016, at 13:18, Robert Hill  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brad,
> 
> Yes, this part works just fine.
> What I was hoping for is that when I flick right to start browsing the 
> thread, that instead of the newest message appearing at the top, I would like 
> the oldest message to appear first, so I could go through the thread 
> chronologically.
> 
> Bob
> \
> 
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 7:42 AM, Brett  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> After you have tapfed on expand, you then should do a single finger flick 
>> right to move through the threaded messages. As you flick right to each 
>> message, the summary should be spoken. Just ask if you need further 
>> clarifications. 
>> 
>> Hope this helps. 
>> 
>> Cheers Brett. 
>> 
>> 
>> On 15 Sep. 2016, at 8:24 pm, Robert Hill  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have a question about the threading feature in mail settings.
>>> 
>>> I have gone into these settings, and have threading on, newest message on 
>>> top off.
>>> 
>>> When I am in the mail app, and come to a message thread, I flick up with 
>>> one finger to get to the expand thread item and double tap on it.
>>> Now, when I flick down with one finger, I would expect to hear the oldest 
>>> message spoken.
>>> 
>>> However, I hear the newest message spoken.
>>> It doesn’t seem to matter which way I have the order of messages sety in 
>>> the mail settings.
>>> 
>>> I am wondering if anyone else is having this issue.
>>> 
>>> Any suggestions on how to remedy this?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Bob Hill
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2016, at 9:36 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Richard, I'm not getting the behavior you describe. I just tried this in 
 this message. I was on your message, and when I did a two-finger flick up, 
 VO started reading Mary's message. Weird. I'm getting along with mail 
 better than I was, which is a relief. I'm glad to see that the focus is 
 jumped to the most recent unread message in a thread, so you don't have to 
 go hunting for your place. I'm also liking the feature where you can put 
 the oldest message in a thread at the top. This is behavior I'm used to 
 from Gmail, and it feels a lot more natural to flick down to go to the 
 next message in a thread rather than flicking up.
 
 
 Thanks,
 Ari
 
 On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Richard Turner  
 wrote:
 
> 
> When I flick down to a message and VO reads say the first couple lines, I 
> use the two finger flick up and it reads the body of the message. Then, I 
> touch with two fingers to pause it if I get interrupted, then touch with 
> two fingers again and reading continues, just like always.
> Now, if you have an iPad, apparently the reading is not so easy as Mary 
> has mentioned.
> But if you start reading with the two finger flick down, the two finger 
> touch pauses like always.
> HTH,
> Richard
> 
> 
> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
> 
> On Sep 14, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
>>  I agree with you about the focusing need a little jumpy here. I'm not 
>> sure what you mean by what happens if a message is more than a 
>> paragraph? It reads straight through. At least here. The only time I 
>> have issues with headers being read is on the iPad, which I have talked 
>> about under a different thread. One focus difference I have noticed, and 
>> this is consistent, if you have a message open and you hit delete, the 
>> next message opens and after you hear the subject line, if you decide 
>> you want to delete it, focus is no longer on the delete button. You have 
>> to find it again and double tap it. That's a little bit annoying, 
>> especially on the iPad where, at least for me, the delete button is 
>> harder to find. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 2:54 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>>> This new messages thing in the rotor is going to take some time to get 
>>> used to. What happens if there's multiple paragraphs in a message? 
>>> Also, VO focus seems to be quite jumpy in mail. Maybe I'm doing 
>>> something wrong? Does anyone know if there's a way to skip the header 
>>> information in a message and go straight to the message text? I know 
>>> the messages rotor item makes VO start reading the message text from 
>>> the beginning, at least that's how it's been so far, but if I get 
>>> interrupted while reading, then lose my place, I want a way to get back 
>>> to it quickly, and not have to start reading from the beginning. Lol 
>>> maybe I'm just being cranky and not giving the new mail view enough of 
>>> a chance, but it's such a departure from the way it was 

Re: Mail is driving me crazy!

[Chantal Oakes]

Good morning, I also wonder about the messages in a thread. I hope I'm 
explaining this so one of you can at least understand what I'm talking about. 
When I read the messages that are in the thread basically all I want is to keep 
getting the new ones, but what happens is all the messages seem to scroll 
without any action from me. If I touch what appears to be the message I want to 
read it just involuntarily scrolls down to the next message or even further. 
This is not helpful at all.

Chantal Oakes

> On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:54 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Did you have the thread expanded? Also, I just recently noticed a Focus lag 
> or something. Maybe it's a screen refresh lag rather than focus lag. The same 
> thing happened in a message. I was in a message, and my two finger flick up 
> started reading a whole different message. But then when I went back to try 
> to repeat the problem, it worked right on the same message. It's like the 
> screen hadn't refreshed right the first time or something.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:36 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Richard, I'm not getting the behavior you describe. I just tried this in 
>> this message. I was on your message, and when I did a two-finger flick up, 
>> VO started reading Mary's message. Weird. I'm getting along with mail better 
>> than I was, which is a relief. I'm glad to see that the focus is jumped to 
>> the most recent unread message in a thread, so you don't have to go hunting 
>> for your place. I'm also liking the feature where you can put the oldest 
>> message in a thread at the top. This is behavior I'm used to from Gmail, and 
>> it feels a lot more natural to flick down to go to the next message in a 
>> thread rather than flicking up.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> When I flick down to a message and VO reads say the first couple lines, I 
>>> use the two finger flick up and it reads the body of the message. Then, I 
>>> touch with two fingers to pause it if I get interrupted, then touch with 
>>> two fingers again and reading continues, just like always.
>>> Now, if you have an iPad, apparently the reading is not so easy as Mary has 
>>> mentioned.
>>> But if you start reading with the two finger flick down, the two finger 
>>> touch pauses like always.
>>> HTH,
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
  I agree with you about the focusing need a little jumpy here. I'm not 
 sure what you mean by what happens if a message is more than a paragraph? 
 It reads straight through. At least here. The only time I have issues with 
 headers being read is on the iPad, which I have talked about under a 
 different thread. One focus difference I have noticed, and this is 
 consistent, if you have a message open and you hit delete, the next 
 message opens and after you hear the subject line, if you decide you want 
 to delete it, focus is no longer on the delete button. You have to find it 
 again and double tap it. That's a little bit annoying, especially on the 
 iPad where, at least for me, the delete button is harder to find. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 14, 2016, at 2:54 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
 
> This new messages thing in the rotor is going to take some time to get 
> used to. What happens if there's multiple paragraphs in a message? Also, 
> VO focus seems to be quite jumpy in mail. Maybe I'm doing something 
> wrong? Does anyone know if there's a way to skip the header information 
> in a message and go straight to the message text? I know the messages 
> rotor item makes VO start reading the message text from the beginning, at 
> least that's how it's been so far, but if I get interrupted while 
> reading, then lose my place, I want a way to get back to it quickly, and 
> not have to start reading from the beginning. Lol maybe I'm just being 
> cranky and not giving the new mail view enough of a chance, but it's such 
> a departure from the way it was  previously. Also, I had the shock of my 
> life when all my folders showed up on the screen. I figured out that I 
> have to collaps mailboxes now.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
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Re: Mail is driving me crazy!

[terrie arnold]

I was just on the phone too accessible AppleCare and talked about not being 
able to read emails individually in the skirt and the thread, and what they 
told me was to go into settings mail and go down and turn the thread setting 
off so this way you can go back to reading individual males easily as you may 
not want to have that thread setting on so this is what the this is what the 
AppleCare help person told me to do and it seem to solve that problem so hope 
this helps him I'll somebody else out there because it was driving me nuts as 
well

My thoughts for today

> On Sep 15, 2016, at 8:27 AM, Miller Family  wrote:
> 
> once you open a thread of messages, go threw your rodder and find the 
> messages option, once you do that, you should be able to flick up or down and 
> read your messages.
>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 9:21 AM, dacia.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> The one thing with mail I don't like is I can't figure out how to
>> navigate a message thread.  It used to open so I could which message I
>> wanted to open, now it open's it all in one giant message and it's
>> difficult to navigate.  Is there a setting I need to change or
>> something?
>> 
>> thanks,
>> 
>> Dacia
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9/15/16, Robert Hill  wrote:
>>> Hi Brad,
>>> 
>>> Yes, this part works just fine.
>>> What I was hoping for is that when I flick right to start browsing the
>>> thread, that instead of the newest message appearing at the top, I would
>>> like the oldest message to appear first, so I could go through the thread
>>> chronologically.
>>> 
>>> Bob
>>> \
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 15, 2016, at 7:42 AM, Brett  wrote:
 
 
 Hi,
 
 After you have tapfed on expand, you then should do a single finger flick
 right to move through the threaded messages. As you flick right to each
 message, the summary should be spoken. Just ask if you need further
 clarifications.
 
 Hope this helps.
 
 Cheers Brett.
 
 
 On 15 Sep. 2016, at 8:24 pm, Robert Hill > wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have a question about the threading feature in mail settings.
> 
> I have gone into these settings, and have threading on, newest message on
> top off.
> 
> When I am in the mail app, and come to a message thread, I flick up with
> one finger to get to the expand thread item and double tap on it.
> Now, when I flick down with one finger, I would expect to hear the oldest
> message spoken.
> 
> However, I hear the newest message spoken.
> It doesn’t seem to matter which way I have the order of messages sety in
> the mail settings.
> 
> I am wondering if anyone else is having this issue.
> 
> Any suggestions on how to remedy this?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Bob Hill
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 9:36 PM, englishride...@gmail.com
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Richard, I'm not getting the behavior you describe. I just tried this in
>> this message. I was on your message, and when I did a two-finger flick
>> up, VO started reading Mary's message. Weird. I'm getting along with
>> mail better than I was, which is a relief. I'm glad to see that the
>> focus is jumped to the most recent unread message in a thread, so you
>> don't have to go hunting for your place. I'm also liking the feature
>> where you can put the oldest message in a thread at the top. This is
>> behavior I'm used to from Gmail, and it feels a lot more natural to
>> flick down to go to the next message in a thread rather than flicking
>> up.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
>> 
>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Richard Turner > > wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> When I flick down to a message and VO reads say the first couple lines,
>>> I use the two finger flick up and it reads the body of the message.
>>> Then, I touch with two fingers to pause it if I get interrupted, then
>>> touch with two fingers again and reading continues, just like always.
>>> Now, if you have an iPad, apparently the reading is not so easy as Mary
>>> has mentioned.
>>> But if you start reading with the two finger flick down, the two finger
>>> touch pauses like always.
>>> HTH,
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
 I agree with you about the focusing need a little jumpy here. I'm not
 sure what you mean by what happens if a message is more than a
 paragraph? It reads straight through. At least here. The only time I
 have issues with headers being read is on the iPad, which I have

RE: Mail is driving me crazy!

[Lynda Ingraham]

Hi Robert, 

 

I read a message earlier suggesting after you expand the messages in a thread 
you flick right to hear the list. I don't know if that will show the messages 
in the order you prefer. 

 

Good Luck, 

 

Lynda 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robert Hill
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 6:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mail is driving me crazy!

 

Hi all,

 

I have a question about the threading feature in mail settings.

 

I have gone into these settings, and have threading on, newest message on top 
off.

 

When I am in the mail app, and come to a message thread, I flick up with one 
finger to get to the expand thread item and double tap on it.

Now, when I flick down with one finger, I would expect to hear the oldest 
message spoken.

 

However, I hear the newest message spoken.

It doesn’t seem to matter which way I have the order of messages sety in the 
mail settings.

 

I am wondering if anyone else is having this issue.

 

Any suggestions on how to remedy this?

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Hill

 

On Sep 14, 2016, at 9:36 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:

 

Richard, I'm not getting the behavior you describe. I just tried this in this 
message. I was on your message, and when I did a two-finger flick up, VO 
started reading Mary's message. Weird. I'm getting along with mail better than 
I was, which is a relief. I'm glad to see that the focus is jumped to the most 
recent unread message in a thread, so you don't have to go hunting for your 
place. I'm also liking the feature where you can put the oldest message in a 
thread at the top. This is behavior I'm used to from Gmail, and it feels a lot 
more natural to flick down to go to the next message in a thread rather than 
flicking up.

 

 

Thanks,

Ari


On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:

 

When I flick down to a message and VO reads say the first couple lines, I use 
the two finger flick up and it reads the body of the message. Then, I touch 
with two fingers to pause it if I get interrupted, then touch with two fingers 
again and reading continues, just like always.

Now, if you have an iPad, apparently the reading is not so easy as Mary has 
mentioned.

But if you start reading with the two finger flick down, the two finger touch 
pauses like always.

HTH,

Richard

 

 

(Sent from my iPhone 5S)


On Sep 14, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:

 I agree with you about the focusing need a little jumpy here. I'm not sure 
what you mean by what happens if a message is more than a paragraph? It reads 
straight through. At least here. The only time I have issues with headers being 
read is on the iPad, which I have talked about under a different thread. One 
focus difference I have noticed, and this is consistent, if you have a message 
open and you hit delete, the next message opens and after you hear the subject 
line, if you decide you want to delete it, focus is no longer on the delete 
button. You have to find it again and double tap it. That's a little bit 
annoying, especially on the iPad where, at least for me, the delete button is 
harder to find. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 14, 2016, at 2:54 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:

This new messages thing in the rotor is going to take some time to get used to. 
What happens if there's multiple paragraphs in a message? Also, VO focus seems 
to be quite jumpy in mail. Maybe I'm doing something wrong? Does anyone know if 
there's a way to skip the header information in a message and go straight to 
the message text? I know the messages rotor item makes VO start reading the 
message text from the beginning, at least that's how it's been so far, but if I 
get interrupted while reading, then lose my place, I want a way to get back to 
it quickly, and not have to start reading from the beginning. Lol maybe I'm 
just being cranky and not giving the new mail view enough of a chance, but it's 
such a departure from the way it was previously. Also, I had the shock of my 
life when all my folders showed up on the screen. I figured out that I have to 
collaps mailboxes now.

 

 

Thanks,

Ari

 

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Re: Mail is driving me crazy!

[Miller Family]

once you open a thread of messages, go threw your rodder and find the messages 
option, once you do that, you should be able to flick up or down and read your 
messages.
> On Sep 15, 2016, at 9:21 AM, dacia.l...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> The one thing with mail I don't like is I can't figure out how to
> navigate a message thread.  It used to open so I could which message I
> wanted to open, now it open's it all in one giant message and it's
> difficult to navigate.  Is there a setting I need to change or
> something?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Dacia
> 
> 
> On 9/15/16, Robert Hill  wrote:
>> Hi Brad,
>> 
>> Yes, this part works just fine.
>> What I was hoping for is that when I flick right to start browsing the
>> thread, that instead of the newest message appearing at the top, I would
>> like the oldest message to appear first, so I could go through the thread
>> chronologically.
>> 
>> Bob
>> \
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 7:42 AM, Brett  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> After you have tapfed on expand, you then should do a single finger flick
>>> right to move through the threaded messages. As you flick right to each
>>> message, the summary should be spoken. Just ask if you need further
>>> clarifications.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> 
>>> Cheers Brett.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 15 Sep. 2016, at 8:24 pm, Robert Hill >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 
 I have a question about the threading feature in mail settings.
 
 I have gone into these settings, and have threading on, newest message on
 top off.
 
 When I am in the mail app, and come to a message thread, I flick up with
 one finger to get to the expand thread item and double tap on it.
 Now, when I flick down with one finger, I would expect to hear the oldest
 message spoken.
 
 However, I hear the newest message spoken.
 It doesn’t seem to matter which way I have the order of messages sety in
 the mail settings.
 
 I am wondering if anyone else is having this issue.
 
 Any suggestions on how to remedy this?
 
 Thanks.
 
 Bob Hill
 
> On Sep 14, 2016, at 9:36 PM, englishride...@gmail.com
>  wrote:
> 
> Richard, I'm not getting the behavior you describe. I just tried this in
> this message. I was on your message, and when I did a two-finger flick
> up, VO started reading Mary's message. Weird. I'm getting along with
> mail better than I was, which is a relief. I'm glad to see that the
> focus is jumped to the most recent unread message in a thread, so you
> don't have to go hunting for your place. I'm also liking the feature
> where you can put the oldest message in a thread at the top. This is
> behavior I'm used to from Gmail, and it feels a lot more natural to
> flick down to go to the next message in a thread rather than flicking
> up.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
> On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Richard Turner  > wrote:
> 
>> 
>> When I flick down to a message and VO reads say the first couple lines,
>> I use the two finger flick up and it reads the body of the message.
>> Then, I touch with two fingers to pause it if I get interrupted, then
>> touch with two fingers again and reading continues, just like always.
>> Now, if you have an iPad, apparently the reading is not so easy as Mary
>> has mentioned.
>> But if you start reading with the two finger flick down, the two finger
>> touch pauses like always.
>> HTH,
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>> 
>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree with you about the focusing need a little jumpy here. I'm not
>>> sure what you mean by what happens if a message is more than a
>>> paragraph? It reads straight through. At least here. The only time I
>>> have issues with headers being read is on the iPad, which I have
>>> talked about under a different thread. One focus difference I have
>>> noticed, and this is consistent, if you have a message open and you
>>> hit delete, the next message opens and after you hear the subject
>>> line, if you decide you want to delete it, focus is no longer on the
>>> delete button. You have to find it again and double tap it. That's a
>>> little bit annoying, especially on the iPad where, at least for me,
>>> the delete button is harder to find.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 2:54 PM, englishride...@gmail.com
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 This new messages thing in the rotor is going to take some time to
 get used to. What happens 

Re: Mail is driving me crazy!

[Dacia Cole]

The one thing with mail I don't like is I can't figure out how to
navigate a message thread.  It used to open so I could which message I
wanted to open, now it open's it all in one giant message and it's
difficult to navigate.  Is there a setting I need to change or
something?

thanks,

Dacia


On 9/15/16, Robert Hill  wrote:
> Hi Brad,
>
> Yes, this part works just fine.
> What I was hoping for is that when I flick right to start browsing the
> thread, that instead of the newest message appearing at the top, I would
> like the oldest message to appear first, so I could go through the thread
> chronologically.
>
> Bob
> \
>
>
>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 7:42 AM, Brett  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> After you have tapfed on expand, you then should do a single finger flick
>> right to move through the threaded messages. As you flick right to each
>> message, the summary should be spoken. Just ask if you need further
>> clarifications.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Cheers Brett.
>>
>>
>> On 15 Sep. 2016, at 8:24 pm, Robert Hill > > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have a question about the threading feature in mail settings.
>>>
>>> I have gone into these settings, and have threading on, newest message on
>>> top off.
>>>
>>> When I am in the mail app, and come to a message thread, I flick up with
>>> one finger to get to the expand thread item and double tap on it.
>>> Now, when I flick down with one finger, I would expect to hear the oldest
>>> message spoken.
>>>
>>> However, I hear the newest message spoken.
>>> It doesn’t seem to matter which way I have the order of messages sety in
>>> the mail settings.
>>>
>>> I am wondering if anyone else is having this issue.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions on how to remedy this?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Bob Hill
>>>
 On Sep 14, 2016, at 9:36 PM, englishride...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Richard, I'm not getting the behavior you describe. I just tried this in
 this message. I was on your message, and when I did a two-finger flick
 up, VO started reading Mary's message. Weird. I'm getting along with
 mail better than I was, which is a relief. I'm glad to see that the
 focus is jumped to the most recent unread message in a thread, so you
 don't have to go hunting for your place. I'm also liking the feature
 where you can put the oldest message in a thread at the top. This is
 behavior I'm used to from Gmail, and it feels a lot more natural to
 flick down to go to the next message in a thread rather than flicking
 up.


 Thanks,
 Ari

 On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Richard Turner > wrote:

>
> When I flick down to a message and VO reads say the first couple lines,
> I use the two finger flick up and it reads the body of the message.
> Then, I touch with two fingers to pause it if I get interrupted, then
> touch with two fingers again and reading continues, just like always.
> Now, if you have an iPad, apparently the reading is not so easy as Mary
> has mentioned.
> But if you start reading with the two finger flick down, the two finger
> touch pauses like always.
> HTH,
> Richard
>
>
> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>
> On Sep 14, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
>
>>  I agree with you about the focusing need a little jumpy here. I'm not
>> sure what you mean by what happens if a message is more than a
>> paragraph? It reads straight through. At least here. The only time I
>> have issues with headers being read is on the iPad, which I have
>> talked about under a different thread. One focus difference I have
>> noticed, and this is consistent, if you have a message open and you
>> hit delete, the next message opens and after you hear the subject
>> line, if you decide you want to delete it, focus is no longer on the
>> delete button. You have to find it again and double tap it. That's a
>> little bit annoying, especially on the iPad where, at least for me,
>> the delete button is harder to find.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 2:54 PM, englishride...@gmail.com
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> This new messages thing in the rotor is going to take some time to
>>> get used to. What happens if there's multiple paragraphs in a
>>> message? Also, VO focus seems to be quite jumpy in mail. Maybe I'm
>>> doing something wrong? Does anyone know if there's a way to skip the
>>> header information in a message and go straight to the message text?
>>> I know the messages rotor item makes VO start reading the message
>>> text from the beginning, at least that's how it's been 

Re: Mail is driving me crazy!

[Robert Hill]

Hi Brad,

Yes, this part works just fine.
What I was hoping for is that when I flick right to start browsing the thread, 
that instead of the newest message appearing at the top, I would like the 
oldest message to appear first, so I could go through the thread 
chronologically.

Bob
\


> On Sep 15, 2016, at 7:42 AM, Brett  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> After you have tapfed on expand, you then should do a single finger flick 
> right to move through the threaded messages. As you flick right to each 
> message, the summary should be spoken. Just ask if you need further 
> clarifications. 
> 
> Hope this helps. 
> 
> Cheers Brett. 
> 
> 
> On 15 Sep. 2016, at 8:24 pm, Robert Hill  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have a question about the threading feature in mail settings.
>> 
>> I have gone into these settings, and have threading on, newest message on 
>> top off.
>> 
>> When I am in the mail app, and come to a message thread, I flick up with one 
>> finger to get to the expand thread item and double tap on it.
>> Now, when I flick down with one finger, I would expect to hear the oldest 
>> message spoken.
>> 
>> However, I hear the newest message spoken.
>> It doesn’t seem to matter which way I have the order of messages sety in the 
>> mail settings.
>> 
>> I am wondering if anyone else is having this issue.
>> 
>> Any suggestions on how to remedy this?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Bob Hill
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 9:36 PM, englishride...@gmail.com 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Richard, I'm not getting the behavior you describe. I just tried this in 
>>> this message. I was on your message, and when I did a two-finger flick up, 
>>> VO started reading Mary's message. Weird. I'm getting along with mail 
>>> better than I was, which is a relief. I'm glad to see that the focus is 
>>> jumped to the most recent unread message in a thread, so you don't have to 
>>> go hunting for your place. I'm also liking the feature where you can put 
>>> the oldest message in a thread at the top. This is behavior I'm used to 
>>> from Gmail, and it feels a lot more natural to flick down to go to the next 
>>> message in a thread rather than flicking up.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ari
>>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Richard Turner >> > wrote:
>>> 
 
 When I flick down to a message and VO reads say the first couple lines, I 
 use the two finger flick up and it reads the body of the message. Then, I 
 touch with two fingers to pause it if I get interrupted, then touch with 
 two fingers again and reading continues, just like always.
 Now, if you have an iPad, apparently the reading is not so easy as Mary 
 has mentioned.
 But if you start reading with the two finger flick down, the two finger 
 touch pauses like always.
 HTH,
 Richard
 
 
 (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
 
 On Sep 14, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Mary Otten > wrote:
 
>  I agree with you about the focusing need a little jumpy here. I'm not 
> sure what you mean by what happens if a message is more than a paragraph? 
> It reads straight through. At least here. The only time I have issues 
> with headers being read is on the iPad, which I have talked about under a 
> different thread. One focus difference I have noticed, and this is 
> consistent, if you have a message open and you hit delete, the next 
> message opens and after you hear the subject line, if you decide you want 
> to delete it, focus is no longer on the delete button. You have to find 
> it again and double tap it. That's a little bit annoying, especially on 
> the iPad where, at least for me, the delete button is harder to find. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 14, 2016, at 2:54 PM, englishride...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
> 
>> This new messages thing in the rotor is going to take some time to get 
>> used to. What happens if there's multiple paragraphs in a message? Also, 
>> VO focus seems to be quite jumpy in mail. Maybe I'm doing something 
>> wrong? Does anyone know if there's a way to skip the header information 
>> in a message and go straight to the message text? I know the messages 
>> rotor item makes VO start reading the message text from the beginning, 
>> at least that's how it's been so far, but if I get interrupted while 
>> reading, then lose my place, I want a way to get back to it quickly, and 
>> not have to start reading from the beginning. Lol maybe I'm just being 
>> cranky and not giving the new mail view enough of a chance, but it's 
>> such a departure from the way it was previously. Also, I had the shock 
>> of my life when all my folders showed up on the 

Re: Mail is driving me crazy!

[Wayne Merritt]

The braille display behavior described is one of the very few bugs in iOS 10. 
If you use your display a lot with mail, you may want to hold off until a fix 
is posted. I use a display but more for reading documents, so this was not a 
big deal for me. Also, when going through the messages in a thread, if VO 
doesn't read everything when flicking down through the messages, I will do a 2 
finger plick down to read from the cursor position forward.
Hth,
Wayne Merritt
Sent from my iPhone 6S

> On Sep 15, 2016, at 6:42 AM, Brett  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> After you have tapfed on expand, you then should do a single finger flick 
> right to move through the threaded messages. As you flick right to each 
> message, the summary should be spoken. Just ask if you need further 
> clarifications. 
> 
> Hope this helps. 
> 
> Cheers Brett. 
> 
> 
>> On 15 Sep. 2016, at 8:24 pm, Robert Hill  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have a question about the threading feature in mail settings.
>> 
>> I have gone into these settings, and have threading on, newest message on 
>> top off.
>> 
>> When I am in the mail app, and come to a message thread, I flick up with one 
>> finger to get to the expand thread item and double tap on it.
>> Now, when I flick down with one finger, I would expect to hear the oldest 
>> message spoken.
>> 
>> However, I hear the newest message spoken.
>> It doesn’t seem to matter which way I have the order of messages sety in the 
>> mail settings.
>> 
>> I am wondering if anyone else is having this issue.
>> 
>> Any suggestions on how to remedy this?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Bob Hill
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 9:36 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Richard, I'm not getting the behavior you describe. I just tried this in 
>>> this message. I was on your message, and when I did a two-finger flick up, 
>>> VO started reading Mary's message. Weird. I'm getting along with mail 
>>> better than I was, which is a relief. I'm glad to see that the focus is 
>>> jumped to the most recent unread message in a thread, so you don't have to 
>>> go hunting for your place. I'm also liking the feature where you can put 
>>> the oldest message in a thread at the top. This is behavior I'm used to 
>>> from Gmail, and it feels a lot more natural to flick down to go to the next 
>>> message in a thread rather than flicking up.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ari
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Richard Turner  
 wrote:
 
 
 When I flick down to a message and VO reads say the first couple lines, I 
 use the two finger flick up and it reads the body of the message. Then, I 
 touch with two fingers to pause it if I get interrupted, then touch with 
 two fingers again and reading continues, just like always.
 Now, if you have an iPad, apparently the reading is not so easy as Mary 
 has mentioned.
 But if you start reading with the two finger flick down, the two finger 
 touch pauses like always.
 HTH,
 Richard
 
 
 (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
 
 On Sep 14, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
>  I agree with you about the focusing need a little jumpy here. I'm not 
> sure what you mean by what happens if a message is more than a paragraph? 
> It reads straight through. At least here. The only time I have issues 
> with headers being read is on the iPad, which I have talked about under a 
> different thread. One focus difference I have noticed, and this is 
> consistent, if you have a message open and you hit delete, the next 
> message opens and after you hear the subject line, if you decide you want 
> to delete it, focus is no longer on the delete button. You have to find 
> it again and double tap it. That's a little bit annoying, especially on 
> the iPad where, at least for me, the delete button is harder to find. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 14, 2016, at 2:54 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> This new messages thing in the rotor is going to take some time to get 
>> used to. What happens if there's multiple paragraphs in a message? Also, 
>> VO focus seems to be quite jumpy in mail. Maybe I'm doing something 
>> wrong? Does anyone know if there's a way to skip the header information 
>> in a message and go straight to the message text? I know the messages 
>> rotor item makes VO start reading the message text from the beginning, 
>> at least that's how it's been so far, but if I get interrupted while 
>> reading, then lose my place, I want a way to get back to it quickly, and 
>> not have to start reading from the beginning. Lol maybe I'm just being 
>> cranky and not giving the new mail view enough of a chance, but it's 
>> such a departure from the way it was previously. Also, I had the shock 
>> of my life when all my 

Re: Mail is driving me crazy!

[Devin Prater]

Yep, Mail in iOS 10 is terribly buggy. It's been like that all through the
beta cycles, and we've reported and reported. Hopefully they're "working on
it."

Devin Pratersent from Gmail.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 6:42 AM, Brett  wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> After you have tapfed on expand, you then should do a single finger flick
> right to move through the threaded messages. As you flick right to each
> message, the summary should be spoken. Just ask if you need further
> clarifications.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Cheers Brett.
>
>
> On 15 Sep. 2016, at 8:24 pm, Robert Hill  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have a question about the threading feature in mail settings.
>
> I have gone into these settings, and have threading on, newest message on
> top off.
>
> When I am in the mail app, and come to a message thread, I flick up with
> one finger to get to the expand thread item and double tap on it.
> Now, when I flick down with one finger, I would expect to hear the oldest
> message spoken.
>
> However, I hear the newest message spoken.
> It doesn’t seem to matter which way I have the order of messages sety in
> the mail settings.
>
> I am wondering if anyone else is having this issue.
>
> Any suggestions on how to remedy this?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bob Hill
>
> On Sep 14, 2016, at 9:36 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Richard, I'm not getting the behavior you describe. I just tried this in
> this message. I was on your message, and when I did a two-finger flick up,
> VO started reading Mary's message. Weird. I'm getting along with mail
> better than I was, which is a relief. I'm glad to see that the focus is
> jumped to the most recent unread message in a thread, so you don't have to
> go hunting for your place. I'm also liking the feature where you can put
> the oldest message in a thread at the top. This is behavior I'm used to
> from Gmail, and it feels a lot more natural to flick down to go to the next
> message in a thread rather than flicking up.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Ari
>
> On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:
>
>
> When I flick down to a message and VO reads say the first couple lines, I
> use the two finger flick up and it reads the body of the message. Then, I
> touch with two fingers to pause it if I get interrupted, then touch with
> two fingers again and reading continues, just like always.
> Now, if you have an iPad, apparently the reading is not so easy as Mary
> has mentioned.
> But if you start reading with the two finger flick down, the two finger
> touch pauses like always.
> HTH,
> Richard
>
>
> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>
> On Sep 14, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>
>  I agree with you about the focusing need a little jumpy here. I'm not
> sure what you mean by what happens if a message is more than a paragraph?
> It reads straight through. At least here. The only time I have issues with
> headers being read is on the iPad, which I have talked about under a
> different thread. One focus difference I have noticed, and this is
> consistent, if you have a message open and you hit delete, the next message
> opens and after you hear the subject line, if you decide you want to delete
> it, focus is no longer on the delete button. You have to find it again and
> double tap it. That's a little bit annoying, especially on the iPad where,
> at least for me, the delete button is harder to find.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 14, 2016, at 2:54 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> This new messages thing in the rotor is going to take some time to get
> used to. What happens if there's multiple paragraphs in a message? Also, VO
> focus seems to be quite jumpy in mail. Maybe I'm doing something wrong?
> Does anyone know if there's a way to skip the header information in a
> message and go straight to the message text? I know the messages rotor item
> makes VO start reading the message text from the beginning, at least that's
> how it's been so far, but if I get interrupted while reading, then lose my
> place, I want a way to get back to it quickly, and not have to start
> reading from the beginning. Lol maybe I'm just being cranky and not giving
> the new mail view enough of a chance, but it's such a departure from the
> way it was previously. Also, I had the shock of my life when all my folders
> showed up on the screen. I figured out that I have to collaps mailboxes now.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Ari
>
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>
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Re: Mail is driving me crazy!

[Brett]

Hi, 

After you have tapfed on expand, you then should do a single finger flick right 
to move through the threaded messages. As you flick right to each message, the 
summary should be spoken. Just ask if you need further clarifications. 

Hope this helps. 

Cheers Brett. 


> On 15 Sep. 2016, at 8:24 pm, Robert Hill  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have a question about the threading feature in mail settings.
> 
> I have gone into these settings, and have threading on, newest message on top 
> off.
> 
> When I am in the mail app, and come to a message thread, I flick up with one 
> finger to get to the expand thread item and double tap on it.
> Now, when I flick down with one finger, I would expect to hear the oldest 
> message spoken.
> 
> However, I hear the newest message spoken.
> It doesn’t seem to matter which way I have the order of messages sety in the 
> mail settings.
> 
> I am wondering if anyone else is having this issue.
> 
> Any suggestions on how to remedy this?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Bob Hill
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 9:36 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Richard, I'm not getting the behavior you describe. I just tried this in 
>> this message. I was on your message, and when I did a two-finger flick up, 
>> VO started reading Mary's message. Weird. I'm getting along with mail better 
>> than I was, which is a relief. I'm glad to see that the focus is jumped to 
>> the most recent unread message in a thread, so you don't have to go hunting 
>> for your place. I'm also liking the feature where you can put the oldest 
>> message in a thread at the top. This is behavior I'm used to from Gmail, and 
>> it feels a lot more natural to flick down to go to the next message in a 
>> thread rather than flicking up.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> When I flick down to a message and VO reads say the first couple lines, I 
>>> use the two finger flick up and it reads the body of the message. Then, I 
>>> touch with two fingers to pause it if I get interrupted, then touch with 
>>> two fingers again and reading continues, just like always.
>>> Now, if you have an iPad, apparently the reading is not so easy as Mary has 
>>> mentioned.
>>> But if you start reading with the two finger flick down, the two finger 
>>> touch pauses like always.
>>> HTH,
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
  I agree with you about the focusing need a little jumpy here. I'm not 
 sure what you mean by what happens if a message is more than a paragraph? 
 It reads straight through. At least here. The only time I have issues with 
 headers being read is on the iPad, which I have talked about under a 
 different thread. One focus difference I have noticed, and this is 
 consistent, if you have a message open and you hit delete, the next 
 message opens and after you hear the subject line, if you decide you want 
 to delete it, focus is no longer on the delete button. You have to find it 
 again and double tap it. That's a little bit annoying, especially on the 
 iPad where, at least for me, the delete button is harder to find. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 14, 2016, at 2:54 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
 
> This new messages thing in the rotor is going to take some time to get 
> used to. What happens if there's multiple paragraphs in a message? Also, 
> VO focus seems to be quite jumpy in mail. Maybe I'm doing something 
> wrong? Does anyone know if there's a way to skip the header information 
> in a message and go straight to the message text? I know the messages 
> rotor item makes VO start reading the message text from the beginning, at 
> least that's how it's been so far, but if I get interrupted while 
> reading, then lose my place, I want a way to get back to it quickly, and 
> not have to start reading from the beginning. Lol maybe I'm just being 
> cranky and not giving the new mail view enough of a chance, but it's such 
> a departure from the way it was previously. Also, I had the shock of my 
> life when all my folders showed up on the screen. I figured out that I 
> have to collaps mailboxes now.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
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Re: Mail is driving me crazy!

[Robert Hill]

Hi all,

I have a question about the threading feature in mail settings.

I have gone into these settings, and have threading on, newest message on top 
off.

When I am in the mail app, and come to a message thread, I flick up with one 
finger to get to the expand thread item and double tap on it.
Now, when I flick down with one finger, I would expect to hear the oldest 
message spoken.

However, I hear the newest message spoken.
It doesn’t seem to matter which way I have the order of messages sety in the 
mail settings.

I am wondering if anyone else is having this issue.

Any suggestions on how to remedy this?

Thanks.

Bob Hill

> On Sep 14, 2016, at 9:36 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Richard, I'm not getting the behavior you describe. I just tried this in this 
> message. I was on your message, and when I did a two-finger flick up, VO 
> started reading Mary's message. Weird. I'm getting along with mail better 
> than I was, which is a relief. I'm glad to see that the focus is jumped to 
> the most recent unread message in a thread, so you don't have to go hunting 
> for your place. I'm also liking the feature where you can put the oldest 
> message in a thread at the top. This is behavior I'm used to from Gmail, and 
> it feels a lot more natural to flick down to go to the next message in a 
> thread rather than flicking up.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
> On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Richard Turner  > wrote:
> 
>> 
>> When I flick down to a message and VO reads say the first couple lines, I 
>> use the two finger flick up and it reads the body of the message. Then, I 
>> touch with two fingers to pause it if I get interrupted, then touch with two 
>> fingers again and reading continues, just like always.
>> Now, if you have an iPad, apparently the reading is not so easy as Mary has 
>> mentioned.
>> But if you start reading with the two finger flick down, the two finger 
>> touch pauses like always.
>> HTH,
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>> 
>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>>>  I agree with you about the focusing need a little jumpy here. I'm not sure 
>>> what you mean by what happens if a message is more than a paragraph? It 
>>> reads straight through. At least here. The only time I have issues with 
>>> headers being read is on the iPad, which I have talked about under a 
>>> different thread. One focus difference I have noticed, and this is 
>>> consistent, if you have a message open and you hit delete, the next message 
>>> opens and after you hear the subject line, if you decide you want to delete 
>>> it, focus is no longer on the delete button. You have to find it again and 
>>> double tap it. That's a little bit annoying, especially on the iPad where, 
>>> at least for me, the delete button is harder to find. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 2:54 PM, englishride...@gmail.com 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 This new messages thing in the rotor is going to take some time to get 
 used to. What happens if there's multiple paragraphs in a message? Also, 
 VO focus seems to be quite jumpy in mail. Maybe I'm doing something wrong? 
 Does anyone know if there's a way to skip the header information in a 
 message and go straight to the message text? I know the messages rotor 
 item makes VO start reading the message text from the beginning, at least 
 that's how it's been so far, but if I get interrupted while reading, then 
 lose my place, I want a way to get back to it quickly, and not have to 
 start reading from the beginning. Lol maybe I'm just being cranky and not 
 giving the new mail view enough of a chance, but it's such a departure 
 from the way it was previously. Also, I had the shock of my life when all 
 my folders showed up on the screen. I figured out that I have to collaps 
 mailboxes now.
 
 
 Thanks,
 Ari
 
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Re: Mail is driving me crazy!

[Cheryl Lenartiene]

Yes! Does anyone know if there's a way to get rid of it? If the e-mail address 
is long, you can lose most of the line to it. And people using small displays 
will have to pan A LOT to read around it.


Cheryl
Rejoice always! Pray continually. Give thanks in everything,
for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
HCSB

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2016, at 5:58 AM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> I've noticed with braille... when reading an email message... it freezes when 
> going to the next line, and also puts the person who sent its name in front 
> of each line. Anyone else notice this?
> 
> 
> Jenifer Barr
> Jenifer571 on dice world
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 10:00 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Ari,
>> Are you on a Phone?
>> If so, make sure the rotor is on "Messages."
>> Then flick up or down with one finger and you should hear message 1 of 3, or 
>> whatever.
>> Once you are on the message you want to read, flick up with two fingers.
>> 
>> That has been working for me.
>> At, least I think that is what I've been doing.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>> 
>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:54 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>>> Did you have the thread expanded? Also, I just recently noticed a Focus lag 
>>> or something. Maybe it's a screen refresh lag rather than focus lag. The 
>>> same thing happened in a message. I was in a message, and my two finger 
>>> flick up started reading a whole different message. But then when I went 
>>> back to try to repeat the problem, it worked right on the same message. 
>>> It's like the screen hadn't refreshed right the first time or something.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:36 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
 Richard, I'm not getting the behavior you describe. I just tried this in 
 this message. I was on your message, and when I did a two-finger flick up, 
 VO started reading Mary's message. Weird. I'm getting along with mail 
 better than I was, which is a relief. I'm glad to see that the focus is 
 jumped to the most recent unread message in a thread, so you don't have to 
 go hunting for your place. I'm also liking the feature where you can put 
 the oldest message in a thread at the top. This is behavior I'm used to 
 from Gmail, and it feels a lot more natural to flick down to go to the 
 next message in a thread rather than flicking up.
 
 
 Thanks,
 Ari
 
 On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Richard Turner  
 wrote:
 
> 
> When I flick down to a message and VO reads say the first couple lines, I 
> use the two finger flick up and it reads the body of the message. Then, I 
> touch with two fingers to pause it if I get interrupted, then touch with 
> two fingers again and reading continues, just like always.
> Now, if you have an iPad, apparently the reading is not so easy as Mary 
> has mentioned.
> But if you start reading with the two finger flick down, the two finger 
> touch pauses like always.
> HTH,
> Richard
> 
> 
> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
> 
> On Sep 14, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
>>  I agree with you about the focusing need a little jumpy here. I'm not 
>> sure what you mean by what happens if a message is more than a 
>> paragraph? It reads straight through. At least here. The only time I 
>> have issues with headers being read is on the iPad, which I have talked 
>> about under a different thread. One focus difference I have noticed, and 
>> this is consistent, if you have a message open and you hit delete, the 
>> next message opens and after you hear the subject line, if you decide 
>> you want to delete it, focus is no longer on the delete button. You have 
>> to find it again and double tap it. That's a little bit annoying, 
>> especially on the iPad where, at least for me, the delete button is 
>> harder to find. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 2:54 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>>> This new messages thing in the rotor is going to take some time to get 
>>> used to. What happens if there's multiple paragraphs in a message? 
>>> Also, VO focus seems to be quite jumpy in mail. Maybe I'm doing 
>>> something wrong? Does anyone know if there's a way to skip the header 
>>> information in a message and go straight to the message text? I know 
>>> the messages rotor item makes VO start reading the message text from 
>>> the beginning, at least that's how it's been so far, but if I get 
>>> interrupted while reading, then lose my place, I want a way to get back 
>>> to it quickly, and not have to start reading from the beginning. Lol 

Re: Mail is driving me crazy!

[Jenifer Barr]

Hi all.
I've noticed with braille... when reading an email message... it freezes when 
going to the next line, and also puts the person who sent its name in front of 
each line. Anyone else notice this?


Jenifer Barr
Jenifer571 on dice world
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2016, at 10:00 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Ari,
> Are you on a Phone?
> If so, make sure the rotor is on "Messages."
> Then flick up or down with one finger and you should hear message 1 of 3, or 
> whatever.
> Once you are on the message you want to read, flick up with two fingers.
> 
> That has been working for me.
> At, least I think that is what I've been doing.
> Richard
> 
> 
> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
> 
> On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:54 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
>> Did you have the thread expanded? Also, I just recently noticed a Focus lag 
>> or something. Maybe it's a screen refresh lag rather than focus lag. The 
>> same thing happened in a message. I was in a message, and my two finger 
>> flick up started reading a whole different message. But then when I went 
>> back to try to repeat the problem, it worked right on the same message. It's 
>> like the screen hadn't refreshed right the first time or something.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:36 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Richard, I'm not getting the behavior you describe. I just tried this in 
>>> this message. I was on your message, and when I did a two-finger flick up, 
>>> VO started reading Mary's message. Weird. I'm getting along with mail 
>>> better than I was, which is a relief. I'm glad to see that the focus is 
>>> jumped to the most recent unread message in a thread, so you don't have to 
>>> go hunting for your place. I'm also liking the feature where you can put 
>>> the oldest message in a thread at the top. This is behavior I'm used to 
>>> from Gmail, and it feels a lot more natural to flick down to go to the next 
>>> message in a thread rather than flicking up.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ari
>>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 
 When I flick down to a message and VO reads say the first couple lines, I 
 use the two finger flick up and it reads the body of the message. Then, I 
 touch with two fingers to pause it if I get interrupted, then touch with 
 two fingers again and reading continues, just like always.
 Now, if you have an iPad, apparently the reading is not so easy as Mary 
 has mentioned.
 But if you start reading with the two finger flick down, the two finger 
 touch pauses like always.
 HTH,
 Richard
 
 
 (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
 
 On Sep 14, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
>  I agree with you about the focusing need a little jumpy here. I'm not 
> sure what you mean by what happens if a message is more than a paragraph? 
> It reads straight through. At least here. The only time I have issues 
> with headers being read is on the iPad, which I have talked about under a 
> different thread. One focus difference I have noticed, and this is 
> consistent, if you have a message open and you hit delete, the next 
> message opens and after you hear the subject line, if you decide you want 
> to delete it, focus is no longer on the delete button. You have to find 
> it again and double tap it. That's a little bit annoying, especially on 
> the iPad where, at least for me, the delete button is harder to find. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 14, 2016, at 2:54 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> This new messages thing in the rotor is going to take some time to get 
>> used to. What happens if there's multiple paragraphs in a message? Also, 
>> VO focus seems to be quite jumpy in mail. Maybe I'm doing something 
>> wrong? Does anyone know if there's a way to skip the header information 
>> in a message and go straight to the message text? I know the messages 
>> rotor item makes VO start reading the message text from the beginning, 
>> at least that's how it's been so far, but if I get interrupted while 
>> reading, then lose my place, I want a way to get back to it quickly, and 
>> not have to start reading from the beginning. Lol maybe I'm just being 
>> cranky and not giving the new mail view enough of a chance, but it's 
>> such a departure from the way it was previously. Also, I had the shock 
>> of my life when all my folders showed up on the screen. I figured out 
>> that I have to collaps mailboxes now.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
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Re: Mail is driving me crazy!

[Brett]

I understand how it works, and when it does work it works well. But most of the 
time, I get to a threaded message say with six messages I open the thread and 
flick up and down only one messages read even though my route to setting is set 
to messages so at least half of the time it doesn't work correctly. In case it 
helps others, the best way I have found to work with messages is to flick up in 
the rotor to you get to expand, double tap on expand to expand the messages 
then write flick to navigate through the messages and each message 1 ounce it 
summary which generally gives you enough information to know with you need to 
open it or not.



Cheers Brett. 


> On 15 Sep. 2016, at 7:54 am, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> This new messages thing in the rotor is going to take some time to get used 
> to. What happens if there's multiple paragraphs in a message? Also, VO focus 
> seems to be quite jumpy in mail. Maybe I'm doing something wrong? Does anyone 
> know if there's a way to skip the header information in a message and go 
> straight to the message text? I know the messages rotor item makes VO start 
> reading the message text from the beginning, at least that's how it's been so 
> far, but if I get interrupted while reading, then lose my place, I want a way 
> to get back to it quickly, and not have to start reading from the beginning. 
> Lol maybe I'm just being cranky and not giving the new mail view enough of a 
> chance, but it's such a departure from the way it was previously. Also, I had 
> the shock of my life when all my folders showed up on the screen. I figured 
> out that I have to collaps mailboxes now.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
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Re: Mail is driving me crazy!

[Brett]

Hi, 

Yes, its extremely buy and shouldn't be mainstream the way it is currently 
working. 

However if when you get to a threaded message, If you flick up in the rotor 
settings until you get to Expand, then double tap. This will expand the 
messages, then as you flick right through the messages, the summary of each 
will be announced. 

The best way to deal with it in my opinion 

CheerBrett. , . 

Cheers Brett. 


> On 15 Sep. 2016, at 12:08 pm, dacia.l...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> The one thing I don't like is how my email open as a threat at all as one 
> message. Is there a way to fix that? It's hard to navigate.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 4:54 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> This new messages thing in the rotor is going to take some time to get used 
>> to. What happens if there's multiple paragraphs in a message? Also, VO focus 
>> seems to be quite jumpy in mail. Maybe I'm doing something wrong? Does 
>> anyone know if there's a way to skip the header information in a message and 
>> go straight to the message text? I know the messages rotor item makes VO 
>> start reading the message text from the beginning, at least that's how it's 
>> been so far, but if I get interrupted while reading, then lose my place, I 
>> want a way to get back to it quickly, and not have to start reading from the 
>> beginning. Lol maybe I'm just being cranky and not giving the new mail view 
>> enough of a chance, but it's such a departure from the way it was 
>> previously. Also, I had the shock of my life when all my folders showed up 
>> on the screen. I figured out that I have to collaps mailboxes now.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
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Re: Mail is driving me crazy!

[Sharonda Greenlaw]

Wow! I didn't know that a two finger would pause as well as restart your 
reading. I knew it will posit, but I did not know about restart. How awesome is 
that? Thanks for this awesome tip!

Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse any mistakes 

> On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> When I flick down to a message and VO reads say the first couple lines, I use 
> the two finger flick up and it reads the body of the message. Then, I touch 
> with two fingers to pause it if I get interrupted, then touch with two 
> fingers again and reading continues, just like always.
> Now, if you have an iPad, apparently the reading is not so easy as Mary has 
> mentioned.
> But if you start reading with the two finger flick down, the two finger touch 
> pauses like always.
> HTH,
> Richard
> 
> 
> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
> 
> On Sep 14, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
>>  I agree with you about the focusing need a little jumpy here. I'm not sure 
>> what you mean by what happens if a message is more than a paragraph? It 
>> reads straight through. At least here. The only time I have issues with 
>> headers being read is on the iPad, which I have talked about under a 
>> different thread. One focus difference I have noticed, and this is 
>> consistent, if you have a message open and you hit delete, the next message 
>> opens and after you hear the subject line, if you decide you want to delete 
>> it, focus is no longer on the delete button. You have to find it again and 
>> double tap it. That's a little bit annoying, especially on the iPad where, 
>> at least for me, the delete button is harder to find. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 2:54 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>>> This new messages thing in the rotor is going to take some time to get used 
>>> to. What happens if there's multiple paragraphs in a message? Also, VO 
>>> focus seems to be quite jumpy in mail. Maybe I'm doing something wrong? 
>>> Does anyone know if there's a way to skip the header information in a 
>>> message and go straight to the message text? I know the messages rotor item 
>>> makes VO start reading the message text from the beginning, at least that's 
>>> how it's been so far, but if I get interrupted while reading, then lose my 
>>> place, I want a way to get back to it quickly, and not have to start 
>>> reading from the beginning. Lol maybe I'm just being cranky and not giving 
>>> the new mail view enough of a chance, but it's such a departure from the 
>>> way it was previously. Also, I had the shock of my life when all my folders 
>>> showed up on the screen. I figured out that I have to collaps mailboxes now.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ari
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Re: Mail is driving me crazy!

[englishrider91]

Weird. It worked #ow. Go figure. I just tried it with your message just now and 
everything worked fine.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:54 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Did you have the thread expanded? Also, I just recently noticed a Focus lag 
> or something. Maybe it's a screen refresh lag rather than focus lag. The same 
> thing happened in a message. I was in a message, and my two finger flick up 
> started reading a whole different message. But then when I went back to try 
> to repeat the problem, it worked right on the same message. It's like the 
> screen hadn't refreshed right the first time or something.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:36 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Richard, I'm not getting the behavior you describe. I just tried this in 
>> this message. I was on your message, and when I did a two-finger flick up, 
>> VO started reading Mary's message. Weird. I'm getting along with mail better 
>> than I was, which is a relief. I'm glad to see that the focus is jumped to 
>> the most recent unread message in a thread, so you don't have to go hunting 
>> for your place. I'm also liking the feature where you can put the oldest 
>> message in a thread at the top. This is behavior I'm used to from Gmail, and 
>> it feels a lot more natural to flick down to go to the next message in a 
>> thread rather than flicking up.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> When I flick down to a message and VO reads say the first couple lines, I 
>>> use the two finger flick up and it reads the body of the message. Then, I 
>>> touch with two fingers to pause it if I get interrupted, then touch with 
>>> two fingers again and reading continues, just like always.
>>> Now, if you have an iPad, apparently the reading is not so easy as Mary has 
>>> mentioned.
>>> But if you start reading with the two finger flick down, the two finger 
>>> touch pauses like always.
>>> HTH,
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
  I agree with you about the focusing need a little jumpy here. I'm not 
 sure what you mean by what happens if a message is more than a paragraph? 
 It reads straight through. At least here. The only time I have issues with 
 headers being read is on the iPad, which I have talked about under a 
 different thread. One focus difference I have noticed, and this is 
 consistent, if you have a message open and you hit delete, the next 
 message opens and after you hear the subject line, if you decide you want 
 to delete it, focus is no longer on the delete button. You have to find it 
 again and double tap it. That's a little bit annoying, especially on the 
 iPad where, at least for me, the delete button is harder to find. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 14, 2016, at 2:54 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
 
> This new messages thing in the rotor is going to take some time to get 
> used to. What happens if there's multiple paragraphs in a message? Also, 
> VO focus seems to be quite jumpy in mail. Maybe I'm doing something 
> wrong? Does anyone know if there's a way to skip the header information 
> in a message and go straight to the message text? I know the messages 
> rotor item makes VO start reading the message text from the beginning, at 
> least that's how it's been so far, but if I get interrupted while 
> reading, then lose my place, I want a way to get back to it quickly, and 
> not have to start reading from the beginning. Lol maybe I'm just being 
> cranky and not giving the new mail view enough of a chance, but it's such 
> a departure from the way it was previously. Also, I had the shock of my 
> life when all my folders showed up on the screen. I figured out that I 
> have to collaps mailboxes now.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
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Re: Mail is driving me crazy!

[dacia . luck]

The one thing I don't like is how my email open as a threat at all as one 
message. Is there a way to fix that? It's hard to navigate.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2016, at 4:54 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> This new messages thing in the rotor is going to take some time to get used 
> to. What happens if there's multiple paragraphs in a message? Also, VO focus 
> seems to be quite jumpy in mail. Maybe I'm doing something wrong? Does anyone 
> know if there's a way to skip the header information in a message and go 
> straight to the message text? I know the messages rotor item makes VO start 
> reading the message text from the beginning, at least that's how it's been so 
> far, but if I get interrupted while reading, then lose my place, I want a way 
> to get back to it quickly, and not have to start reading from the beginning. 
> Lol maybe I'm just being cranky and not giving the new mail view enough of a 
> chance, but it's such a departure from the way it was previously. Also, I had 
> the shock of my life when all my folders showed up on the screen. I figured 
> out that I have to collaps mailboxes now.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
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Re: Mail is driving me crazy!

[Richard Turner]

Ari,
Are you on a Phone?
If so, make sure the rotor is on "Messages."
Then flick up or down with one finger and you should hear message 1 of 3, or 
whatever.
Once you are on the message you want to read, flick up with two fingers.

That has been working for me.
At, least I think that is what I've been doing.
Richard


(Sent from my iPhone 5S)

On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:54 PM, Mary Otten 
> wrote:

Did you have the thread expanded? Also, I just recently noticed a Focus lag or 
something. Maybe it's a screen refresh lag rather than focus lag. The same 
thing happened in a message. I was in a message, and my two finger flick up 
started reading a whole different message. But then when I went back to try to 
repeat the problem, it worked right on the same message. It's like the screen 
hadn't refreshed right the first time or something.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:36 PM, 
englishride...@gmail.com wrote:

Richard, I'm not getting the behavior you describe. I just tried this in this 
message. I was on your message, and when I did a two-finger flick up, VO 
started reading Mary's message. Weird. I'm getting along with mail better than 
I was, which is a relief. I'm glad to see that the focus is jumped to the most 
recent unread message in a thread, so you don't have to go hunting for your 
place. I'm also liking the feature where you can put the oldest message in a 
thread at the top. This is behavior I'm used to from Gmail, and it feels a lot 
more natural to flick down to go to the next message in a thread rather than 
flicking up.


Thanks,
Ari

On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:


When I flick down to a message and VO reads say the first couple lines, I use 
the two finger flick up and it reads the body of the message. Then, I touch 
with two fingers to pause it if I get interrupted, then touch with two fingers 
again and reading continues, just like always.
Now, if you have an iPad, apparently the reading is not so easy as Mary has 
mentioned.
But if you start reading with the two finger flick down, the two finger touch 
pauses like always.
HTH,
Richard


(Sent from my iPhone 5S)

On Sep 14, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Mary Otten 
> wrote:

 I agree with you about the focusing need a little jumpy here. I'm not sure 
what you mean by what happens if a message is more than a paragraph? It reads 
straight through. At least here. The only time I have issues with headers being 
read is on the iPad, which I have talked about under a different thread. One 
focus difference I have noticed, and this is consistent, if you have a message 
open and you hit delete, the next message opens and after you hear the subject 
line, if you decide you want to delete it, focus is no longer on the delete 
button. You have to find it again and double tap it. That's a little bit 
annoying, especially on the iPad where, at least for me, the delete button is 
harder to find.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 14, 2016, at 2:54 PM, 
englishride...@gmail.com wrote:

This new messages thing in the rotor is going to take some time to get used to. 
What happens if there's multiple paragraphs in a message? Also, VO focus seems 
to be quite jumpy in mail. Maybe I'm doing something wrong? Does anyone know if 
there's a way to skip the header information in a message and go straight to 
the message text? I know the messages rotor item makes VO start reading the 
message text from the beginning, at least that's how it's been so far, but if I 
get interrupted while reading, then lose my place, I want a way to get back to 
it quickly, and not have to start reading from the beginning. Lol maybe I'm 
just being cranky and not giving the new mail view enough of a chance, but it's 
such a departure from the way it was previously. Also, I had the shock of my 
life when all my folders showed up on the screen. I figured out that I have to 
collaps mailboxes now.


Thanks,
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Re: Mail is driving me crazy!

[Mary Otten]

Did you have the thread expanded? Also, I just recently noticed a Focus lag or 
something. Maybe it's a screen refresh lag rather than focus lag. The same 
thing happened in a message. I was in a message, and my two finger flick up 
started reading a whole different message. But then when I went back to try to 
repeat the problem, it worked right on the same message. It's like the screen 
hadn't refreshed right the first time or something.
Mary

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> On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:36 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Richard, I'm not getting the behavior you describe. I just tried this in this 
> message. I was on your message, and when I did a two-finger flick up, VO 
> started reading Mary's message. Weird. I'm getting along with mail better 
> than I was, which is a relief. I'm glad to see that the focus is jumped to 
> the most recent unread message in a thread, so you don't have to go hunting 
> for your place. I'm also liking the feature where you can put the oldest 
> message in a thread at the top. This is behavior I'm used to from Gmail, and 
> it feels a lot more natural to flick down to go to the next message in a 
> thread rather than flicking up.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> When I flick down to a message and VO reads say the first couple lines, I 
>> use the two finger flick up and it reads the body of the message. Then, I 
>> touch with two fingers to pause it if I get interrupted, then touch with two 
>> fingers again and reading continues, just like always.
>> Now, if you have an iPad, apparently the reading is not so easy as Mary has 
>> mentioned.
>> But if you start reading with the two finger flick down, the two finger 
>> touch pauses like always.
>> HTH,
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>> 
>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>>>  I agree with you about the focusing need a little jumpy here. I'm not sure 
>>> what you mean by what happens if a message is more than a paragraph? It 
>>> reads straight through. At least here. The only time I have issues with 
>>> headers being read is on the iPad, which I have talked about under a 
>>> different thread. One focus difference I have noticed, and this is 
>>> consistent, if you have a message open and you hit delete, the next message 
>>> opens and after you hear the subject line, if you decide you want to delete 
>>> it, focus is no longer on the delete button. You have to find it again and 
>>> double tap it. That's a little bit annoying, especially on the iPad where, 
>>> at least for me, the delete button is harder to find. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 2:54 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
 This new messages thing in the rotor is going to take some time to get 
 used to. What happens if there's multiple paragraphs in a message? Also, 
 VO focus seems to be quite jumpy in mail. Maybe I'm doing something wrong? 
 Does anyone know if there's a way to skip the header information in a 
 message and go straight to the message text? I know the messages rotor 
 item makes VO start reading the message text from the beginning, at least 
 that's how it's been so far, but if I get interrupted while reading, then 
 lose my place, I want a way to get back to it quickly, and not have to 
 start reading from the beginning. Lol maybe I'm just being cranky and not 
 giving the new mail view enough of a chance, but it's such a departure 
 from the way it was previously. Also, I had the shock of my life when all 
 my folders showed up on the screen. I figured out that I have to collaps 
 mailboxes now.
 
 
 Thanks,
 Ari
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Re: Mail is driving me crazy!

[englishrider91]

Richard, I'm not getting the behavior you describe. I just tried this in this 
message. I was on your message, and when I did a two-finger flick up, VO 
started reading Mary's message. Weird. I'm getting along with mail better than 
I was, which is a relief. I'm glad to see that the focus is jumped to the most 
recent unread message in a thread, so you don't have to go hunting for your 
place. I'm also liking the feature where you can put the oldest message in a 
thread at the top. This is behavior I'm used to from Gmail, and it feels a lot 
more natural to flick down to go to the next message in a thread rather than 
flicking up.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Sep 14, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> When I flick down to a message and VO reads say the first couple lines, I use 
> the two finger flick up and it reads the body of the message. Then, I touch 
> with two fingers to pause it if I get interrupted, then touch with two 
> fingers again and reading continues, just like always.
> Now, if you have an iPad, apparently the reading is not so easy as Mary has 
> mentioned.
> But if you start reading with the two finger flick down, the two finger touch 
> pauses like always.
> HTH,
> Richard
> 
> 
> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
> 
> On Sep 14, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
>>  I agree with you about the focusing need a little jumpy here. I'm not sure 
>> what you mean by what happens if a message is more than a paragraph? It 
>> reads straight through. At least here. The only time I have issues with 
>> headers being read is on the iPad, which I have talked about under a 
>> different thread. One focus difference I have noticed, and this is 
>> consistent, if you have a message open and you hit delete, the next message 
>> opens and after you hear the subject line, if you decide you want to delete 
>> it, focus is no longer on the delete button. You have to find it again and 
>> double tap it. That's a little bit annoying, especially on the iPad where, 
>> at least for me, the delete button is harder to find. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 14, 2016, at 2:54 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>>> This new messages thing in the rotor is going to take some time to get used 
>>> to. What happens if there's multiple paragraphs in a message? Also, VO 
>>> focus seems to be quite jumpy in mail. Maybe I'm doing something wrong? 
>>> Does anyone know if there's a way to skip the header information in a 
>>> message and go straight to the message text? I know the messages rotor item 
>>> makes VO start reading the message text from the beginning, at least that's 
>>> how it's been so far, but if I get interrupted while reading, then lose my 
>>> place, I want a way to get back to it quickly, and not have to start 
>>> reading from the beginning. Lol maybe I'm just being cranky and not giving 
>>> the new mail view enough of a chance, but it's such a departure from the 
>>> way it was previously. Also, I had the shock of my life when all my folders 
>>> showed up on the screen. I figured out that I have to collaps mailboxes now.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ari
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Re: Mail is driving me crazy!

[Richard Turner]

When I flick down to a message and VO reads say the first couple lines, I use 
the two finger flick up and it reads the body of the message. Then, I touch 
with two fingers to pause it if I get interrupted, then touch with two fingers 
again and reading continues, just like always.
Now, if you have an iPad, apparently the reading is not so easy as Mary has 
mentioned.
But if you start reading with the two finger flick down, the two finger touch 
pauses like always.
HTH,
Richard


(Sent from my iPhone 5S)

On Sep 14, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Mary Otten 
> wrote:

 I agree with you about the focusing need a little jumpy here. I'm not sure 
what you mean by what happens if a message is more than a paragraph? It reads 
straight through. At least here. The only time I have issues with headers being 
read is on the iPad, which I have talked about under a different thread. One 
focus difference I have noticed, and this is consistent, if you have a message 
open and you hit delete, the next message opens and after you hear the subject 
line, if you decide you want to delete it, focus is no longer on the delete 
button. You have to find it again and double tap it. That's a little bit 
annoying, especially on the iPad where, at least for me, the delete button is 
harder to find.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 14, 2016, at 2:54 PM, 
englishride...@gmail.com wrote:

This new messages thing in the rotor is going to take some time to get used to. 
What happens if there's multiple paragraphs in a message? Also, VO focus seems 
to be quite jumpy in mail. Maybe I'm doing something wrong? Does anyone know if 
there's a way to skip the header information in a message and go straight to 
the message text? I know the messages rotor item makes VO start reading the 
message text from the beginning, at least that's how it's been so far, but if I 
get interrupted while reading, then lose my place, I want a way to get back to 
it quickly, and not have to start reading from the beginning. Lol maybe I'm 
just being cranky and not giving the new mail view enough of a chance, but it's 
such a departure from the way it was previously. Also, I had the shock of my 
life when all my folders showed up on the screen. I figured out that I have to 
collaps mailboxes now.


Thanks,
Ari

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Re: Mail is driving me crazy!

[Mary Otten]

 I agree with you about the focusing need a little jumpy here. I'm not sure 
what you mean by what happens if a message is more than a paragraph? It reads 
straight through. At least here. The only time I have issues with headers being 
read is on the iPad, which I have talked about under a different thread. One 
focus difference I have noticed, and this is consistent, if you have a message 
open and you hit delete, the next message opens and after you hear the subject 
line, if you decide you want to delete it, focus is no longer on the delete 
button. You have to find it again and double tap it. That's a little bit 
annoying, especially on the iPad where, at least for me, the delete button is 
harder to find. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2016, at 2:54 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> This new messages thing in the rotor is going to take some time to get used 
> to. What happens if there's multiple paragraphs in a message? Also, VO focus 
> seems to be quite jumpy in mail. Maybe I'm doing something wrong? Does anyone 
> know if there's a way to skip the header information in a message and go 
> straight to the message text? I know the messages rotor item makes VO start 
> reading the message text from the beginning, at least that's how it's been so 
> far, but if I get interrupted while reading, then lose my place, I want a way 
> to get back to it quickly, and not have to start reading from the beginning. 
> Lol maybe I'm just being cranky and not giving the new mail view enough of a 
> chance, but it's such a departure from the way it was previously. Also, I had 
> the shock of my life when all my folders showed up on the screen. I figured 
> out that I have to collaps mailboxes now.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
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Mail is driving me crazy!

[englishrider91]

This new messages thing in the rotor is going to take some time to get used to. 
What happens if there's multiple paragraphs in a message? Also, VO focus seems 
to be quite jumpy in mail. Maybe I'm doing something wrong? Does anyone know if 
there's a way to skip the header information in a message and go straight to 
the message text? I know the messages rotor item makes VO start reading the 
message text from the beginning, at least that's how it's been so far, but if I 
get interrupted while reading, then lose my place, I want a way to get back to 
it quickly, and not have to start reading from the beginning. Lol maybe I'm 
just being cranky and not giving the new mail view enough of a chance, but it's 
such a departure from the way it was previously. Also, I had the shock of my 
life when all my folders showed up on the screen. I figured out that I have to 
collaps mailboxes now.


Thanks,
Ari

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