Re: Help comparing:

2013-01-05 Thread Rob Harris
I have a Mini and there is a camera both sides. Not sure about other specs 
though,   I'll ahve to go back to Apple's uK site where I got original info.

RobH.
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According to the tech spec I read on apple.ca, the ipad mini is running an 
A4 with a 1.8 mpx front camera and no reer camera.  I asked about this on 
list and received no responses.  As far as I know, that is the state of 
things.

Some one who is totally blind wouldn't need the retina display, but I work 
for partially sighted people as well who would greatly benefit from the 
retina display.  It's also important to realize that blind people have 
sighted friends and family that they want to share content with, and some of 
them have a concern for the enjoyment of those sighted people in their 
lives.  Also, as a company providing training and product demos and other 
services, I personally want my equipment to look it's best.  I'd rather show 
something that is better.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
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On 2013-01-04, at 12:05 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Hi Eric,

 How is an iPod Touch better than an iPad Mini except that it has Retina 
 display? The processor and camera are the same on the Fifth Gen iPod Touch 
 and the iPad Mini and also on the 4S. Only the iPad Retina has the A6X 
 processor, but of course it needs especially that processing power for the 
 high definition graphics on the large screen.
 I also heard from a lot of people both people I know and from comments on 
 Podcasts such as Today in iOS that despite the fact that the iPad Mini 
 doesn’t have a Retine screen, the screen is very good. The iPad 2 has the 
 same resolution as the iPad Mini but of course it has a larger screen so 
 less DPI. I also wonder how it matters to a blind person whether he or she 
 has a retina screen or not?


 Regards,
 Sieghard


 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Erik Burggraaf
 Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 1:28 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Help comparing:

 I was going to buy an ipad mini for my company as a demo unit because of 
 the 3g ability. Then I discovered it had no retina display, and worthless 
 camera options as well as a legacy processer and my interest plummated 
 dramatically. The ipod touch is a nuch better bet.

 Best,


 heather albright kd5...@gmail.com wrote:
 The ipad mini is for those who have never had an apple device or don't 
 have
 an ipod, they do pretty much the same thing, according to the apple rep!
 The icons are larger on the ipad mini!  One of these days, apple will come
 out with  the mini pc with more memory and your computer will fit in your
 pocket!  not quite there, I have way more data on my pc that won't all fit
 on the iphone or ipod touch or ipad!  Heather

 ERIK burggraafEbony ConsultingI am currently on the road and staying in 
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Re: Help comparing:

2013-01-04 Thread erik burggraaf
According to the tech spec I read on apple.ca, the ipad mini is running an A4 
with a 1.8 mpx front camera and no reer camera.  I asked about this on list and 
received no responses.  As far as I know, that is the state of things.

Some one who is totally blind wouldn't need the retina display, but I work for 
partially sighted people as well who would greatly benefit from the retina 
display.  It's also important to realize that blind people have sighted friends 
and family that they want to share content with, and some of them have a 
concern for the enjoyment of those sighted people in their lives.  Also, as a 
company providing training and product demos and other services, I personally 
want my equipment to look it's best.  I'd rather show something that is better.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
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On 2013-01-04, at 12:05 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Hi Eric,
  
 How is an iPod Touch better than an iPad Mini except that it has Retina 
 display? The processor and camera are the same on the Fifth Gen iPod Touch 
 and the iPad Mini and also on the 4S. Only the iPad Retina has the A6X 
 processor, but of course it needs especially that processing power for the 
 high definition graphics on the large screen.
 I also heard from a lot of people both people I know and from comments on 
 Podcasts such as Today in iOS that despite the fact that the iPad Mini 
 doesn’t have a Retine screen, the screen is very good. The iPad 2 has the 
 same resolution as the iPad Mini but of course it has a larger screen so less 
 DPI. I also wonder how it matters to a blind person whether he or she has a 
 retina screen or not?
  
  
 Regards,
 Sieghard
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Erik Burggraaf
 Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 1:28 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Help comparing:
  
 I was going to buy an ipad mini for my company as a demo unit because of the 
 3g ability. Then I discovered it had no retina display, and worthless camera 
 options as well as a legacy processer and my interest plummated dramatically. 
 The ipod touch is a nuch better bet.
 
 Best,
 
 
 heather albright kd5...@gmail.com wrote:
 The ipad mini is for those who have never had an apple device or don't have 
 an ipod, they do pretty much the same thing, according to the apple rep! 
 The icons are larger on the ipad mini!  One of these days, apple will come 
 out with  the mini pc with more memory and your computer will fit in your 
 pocket!  not quite there, I have way more data on my pc that won't all fit 
 on the iphone or ipod touch or ipad!  Heather 
 
 ERIK burggraafEbony ConsultingI am currently on the road and staying in touch 
 on my handheld.
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RE: Help comparing:

2013-01-04 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Eric,

 

Here is a link to the iPad Mini tech specs:

 

http://www.apple.com/ca/ipad-mini/specs

 

I am not sure where you went and read the iPad Mini had a “A4 with a 1.8 mpx
front camera and no reer camera”. I have never seen this information
anywhere and they even go over all this in the original keynote. I actually
had posted in this same thread that it had an A5 chip just like the iPhone
4S and iPod Touch and the same cameras as the iPod Touch. The iPhone 4S
still has a better 8 MP rear camera.

 

As for the display, there are 2 things to consider, resolution and pixels
per inch.

The iPad Mini has a resolution of 1024x768 pixels with 163 pixels per inch

The iPod Touch and new iPhone 5 have a resolution of 1136x640 pixels at 326
pixels per inch.

 

For most every-day tasks and uses you have to look pretty closely to see the
difference. Anyhow, here part of these specs from the website regarding the
processor and cameras on the iPad Mini:

 

Chip: A5

Dual-core A5 

 

Cameras, Photos and Video Recording  

FaceTime HD Camera

• 1.2MP photos

• 720p HD video

• FaceTime video calling over Wi-Fi or cellular

• Face detection

• Backside illumination

• Tap to control exposure for video or still images

• Photo and video geotagging

 

iSight Camera

• 5MP photos

• Autofocus

• Face detection

• Backside illumination

• Five-element lens

• Hybrid IR filter

• ƒ/2.4 aperture

• Tap to focus video or still images

• Tap to control exposure for video or still images

• Photo and video geotagging

 

Video Recording

• 1080p HD video recording

• Video stabilization

• Face detection

• Tap to focus while recording

• Backside illumination

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of erik burggraaf
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 5:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Help comparing:

 

According to the tech spec I read on apple.ca, the ipad mini is running an
A4 with a 1.8 mpx front camera and no reer camera.  I asked about this on
list and received no responses.  As far as I know, that is the state of
things.

 

Some one who is totally blind wouldn't need the retina display, but I work
for partially sighted people as well who would greatly benefit from the
retina display.  It's also important to realize that blind people have
sighted friends and family that they want to share content with, and some of
them have a concern for the enjoyment of those sighted people in their
lives.  Also, as a company providing training and product demos and other
services, I personally want my equipment to look it's best.  I'd rather show
something that is better.

 

Best,

 

Erik Burggraaf

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at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards.

Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194

or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

 

On 2013-01-04, at 12:05 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:





Hi Eric,

 

How is an iPod Touch better than an iPad Mini except that it has Retina
display? The processor and camera are the same on the Fifth Gen iPod Touch
and the iPad Mini and also on the 4S. Only the iPad Retina has the A6X
processor, but of course it needs especially that processing power for the
high definition graphics on the large screen.

I also heard from a lot of people both people I know and from comments on
Podcasts such as Today in iOS that despite the fact that the iPad Mini
doesn’t have a Retine screen, the screen is very good. The iPad 2 has the
same resolution as the iPad Mini but of course it has a larger screen so
less DPI. I also wonder how it matters to a blind person whether he or she
has a retina screen or not?

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

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Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 1:28 PM
To:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Help comparing:

 

I was going to buy an ipad mini for my company as a demo unit because of the
3g ability. Then I discovered it had no retina display, and worthless camera
options as well as a legacy processer and my interest plummated
dramatically. The ipod touch is a nuch better bet.

Best,




heather albright  mailto:kd5...@gmail.com kd5...@gmail.com wrote:

The ipad mini is for those who have never had an apple device or don't have 
an ipod, they do pretty much the same thing, according to the apple rep! 
The icons are larger on the ipad mini!  One of these days, apple will come 
out with  the mini pc with more memory and your computer will fit in your 
pocket!  not quite there, I have way more data on my pc that won't all fit 
on the iphone or ipod touch or ipad!  Heather 


ERIK burggraafEbony ConsultingI am currently on the road and staying in
touch on my handheld.

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Re: Help comparing:

2013-01-03 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

Just one correction.  the 5th generation iPod touch only comes in 32 and 64GB 
models.

hth

Ricardo Walker
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On Jan 3, 2013, at 12:03 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Hi Marie,
  
 The iPad Mini and iPod Touch Fifth Generation have the same A5 processor and 
 the same cameras (1.2 MP front and 5 MP back).
 The also have the same WiFi and Bluetooth radios, of course you can get a 
 cellular version of the iPad Mini which supports LTE whereas the iPod Touch 
 comes in WiFi models only.
  
 Storage is also the same, 16, 32 or 64 Gb.
  
 The iPod Touch Fifth Gen has a retina screen, the iPad Mini does not.
  
 The size is quite different, of course. The iPod Touch Fifth Generation is 
 the same size as an iPhone 5, but thinner and it still has the rounded back 
 and not the square feel.
 Compared to an iPhone 4 or 4S the iPod Touch is the same width and maybe a 
 finger’s width taller, not a huge difference although the screen size is half 
 an inch more, iPhone 4, 4S and older iPods have a 3.5 inch screen (diagonal) 
 and the Fifth Gen has the 4 inch screen like the iPhone. In length it is 
 maybe three eights of an inch longer.
  
 The iPad Mini is 7.87 inches tall and 5.3 inches wide.
 Think of a regular 8.5 by 11 inch piece of paper. Fold it in half and you 
 have a piece that is 8.5 inches by 5.5 inches.
 Now hold the paper so the longer 8.5 inch side is up and down and the 
 shorter, 5.5 inch width is left to right.
 This folded piece of paper if you were to put it on top of an iPad Mini would 
 be just a finger’s width taller and in width it’s so close, 0.2 inches, it’s 
 not even worth mentioning it.
 In thickness the iPad Mini is only marginally thicker than the new iPod Touch 
 and it’s probably not thicker than a third or Fourth Gen iPod Touch.
  
 Hope this helps.
  
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
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Re: Help comparing:

2013-01-03 Thread heather albright
The ipad mini is for those who have never had an apple device or don't have 
an ipod, they do pretty much the same thing, according to the apple rep! 
The icons are larger on the ipad mini!  One of these days, apple will come 
out with  the mini pc with more memory and your computer will fit in your 
pocket!  not quite there, I have way more data on my pc that won't all fit 
on the iphone or ipod touch or ipad!  Heather 


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Re: Help comparing:

2013-01-03 Thread Erik Burggraaf
I was going to buy an ipad mini for my company as a demo unit because of the 3g 
ability.  Then I discovered it had no retina display, and worthless camera 
options as well as a legacy processer and my interest plummated dramatically.   
The ipod touch is a nuch better bet.

Best,


heather albright kd5...@gmail.com wrote:

The ipad mini is for those who have never had an apple device or don't
have 
an ipod, they do pretty much the same thing, according to the apple rep!

The icons are larger on the ipad mini!  One of these days, apple will
come 
out with  the mini pc with more memory and your computer will fit in
your 
pocket!  not quite there, I have way more data on my pc that won't all
fit 
on the iphone or ipod touch or ipad!  Heather 

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RE: Help comparing:

2013-01-03 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Eric,

 

How is an iPod Touch better than an iPad Mini except that it has Retina
display? The processor and camera are the same on the Fifth Gen iPod Touch
and the iPad Mini and also on the 4S. Only the iPad Retina has the A6X
processor, but of course it needs especially that processing power for the
high definition graphics on the large screen.

I also heard from a lot of people both people I know and from comments on
Podcasts such as Today in iOS that despite the fact that the iPad Mini
doesn't have a Retine screen, the screen is very good. The iPad 2 has the
same resolution as the iPad Mini but of course it has a larger screen so
less DPI. I also wonder how it matters to a blind person whether he or she
has a retina screen or not?

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Help comparing:

 

I was going to buy an ipad mini for my company as a demo unit because of the
3g ability. Then I discovered it had no retina display, and worthless camera
options as well as a legacy processer and my interest plummated
dramatically. The ipod touch is a nuch better bet.

Best,



heather albright kd5...@gmail.com wrote:

The ipad mini is for those who have never had an apple device or don't have 
an ipod, they do pretty much the same thing, according to the apple rep! 
The icons are larger on the ipad mini!  One of these days, apple will come 
out with  the mini pc with more memory and your computer will fit in your 
pocket!  not quite there, I have way more data on my pc that won't all fit 
on the iphone or ipod touch or ipad!  Heather 


ERIK burggraafEbony ConsultingI am currently on the road and staying in
touch on my handheld.

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Re: Help comparing:

2013-01-03 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

I'm totally confused by your statement.  The iPod touch is using the same 
legacy processor, and worthless camera as you put it that's found on the 
iPad mini.  Not to mention there is no cellular model of the iPod touch, and 
its only $30 cheaper than the cheapest iPad mini.  It all boils down to 3 
things.  And if your blind, its really 2 things.  Do you want cellular data on 
your device, and how big of a device do you want to use.  Nothing more, nothing 
less in my opinion.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Jan 3, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Erik Burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote:

 I was going to buy an ipad mini for my company as a demo unit because of the 
 3g ability. Then I discovered it had no retina display, and worthless camera 
 options as well as a legacy processer and my interest plummated dramatically. 
 The ipod touch is a nuch better bet.
 
 Best,
 
 
 heather albright kd5...@gmail.com wrote:
 The ipad mini is for those who have never had an apple device or don't have 
 an ipod, they do pretty much the same thing, according to the apple rep! 
 The icons are larger on the ipad mini!  One of these days, apple will come 
 out with  the mini pc with more memory and your computer will fit in your 
 pocket!  not quite there, I have way more data on my pc that won't all fit 
 on the iphone or ipod touch or ipad!  Heather 
 
 ERIK burggraafEbony ConsultingI am currently on the road and staying in touch 
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re: Help comparing:

2013-01-02 Thread Joseph Lee

Hi,
Yes, they use same processors.  For size, think of iPod Touch as 
slightly longer than a credit card, and iPad Mini as slightly 
bigger in screen size than that of a paperback book.

Cheers,
Joseph


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 23:08:10 +0100
Subject: Help comparing:

IPod Touch 5 gen.  and IPad mini,
Are the processors in the 2 units the same? what about the 
cameras? how much bigger is the screen on the IPad mini? I know 
you can read all about dimensions but I find it difficult to 
visualize them, reference to a familiar object like a CD box or a 
classic book or an a4 page would help.
I live quite a way from an Apple store so can't easily go and 
handle things physically as I'd like to.

Thanks for taking the time to help.
All the best,
Marie


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RE: Help comparing:

2013-01-02 Thread Richard Turner
I would say the iPod Touch 5th gen is almost a credit card and a half in
length.
Not much wider than a credit card though.

The mini is about the size of a paperback novel, perhaps a little wider than
some.

The touch will fit nicely in a pocket or purse, where the mini will not. 

HTH,
Richard

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Subject: re: Help comparing:

Hi,
Yes, they use same processors.  For size, think of iPod Touch as slightly
longer than a credit card, and iPad Mini as slightly bigger in screen size
than that of a paperback book.
Cheers,
Joseph


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From: marie baisez marie.bai...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 23:08:10 +0100
Subject: Help comparing:

IPod Touch 5 gen.  and IPad mini,
Are the processors in the 2 units the same? what about the cameras? how much
bigger is the screen on the IPad mini? I know you can read all about
dimensions but I find it difficult to visualize them, reference to a
familiar object like a CD box or a classic book or an a4 page would help.
I live quite a way from an Apple store so can't easily go and handle things
physically as I'd like to.
Thanks for taking the time to help.
All the best,
Marie


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RE: Help comparing:

2013-01-02 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Marie,

 

The iPad Mini and iPod Touch Fifth Generation have the same A5 processor and
the same cameras (1.2 MP front and 5 MP back).

The also have the same WiFi and Bluetooth radios, of course you can get a
cellular version of the iPad Mini which supports LTE whereas the iPod Touch
comes in WiFi models only.

 

Storage is also the same, 16, 32 or 64 Gb.

 

The iPod Touch Fifth Gen has a retina screen, the iPad Mini does not.

 

The size is quite different, of course. The iPod Touch Fifth Generation is
the same size as an iPhone 5, but thinner and it still has the rounded back
and not the square feel.

Compared to an iPhone 4 or 4S the iPod Touch is the same width and maybe a
finger's width taller, not a huge difference although the screen size is
half an inch more, iPhone 4, 4S and older iPods have a 3.5 inch screen
(diagonal) and the Fifth Gen has the 4 inch screen like the iPhone. In
length it is maybe three eights of an inch longer.

 

The iPad Mini is 7.87 inches tall and 5.3 inches wide.

Think of a regular 8.5 by 11 inch piece of paper. Fold it in half and you
have a piece that is 8.5 inches by 5.5 inches.

Now hold the paper so the longer 8.5 inch side is up and down and the
shorter, 5.5 inch width is left to right.

This folded piece of paper if you were to put it on top of an iPad Mini
would be just a finger's width taller and in width it's so close, 0.2
inches, it's not even worth mentioning it.

In thickness the iPad Mini is only marginally thicker than the new iPod
Touch and it's probably not thicker than a third or Fourth Gen iPod Touch.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

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