Re: A Proglem Unique to Blind People

2023-08-01 Thread Robert Doc Wright 
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  From: Alan Lemly 
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  Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2023 3:38 PM
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  Hi Sieghard, 


  I don't but that is an excellent idea. I need to find a LazyBoysAreUs website 
and see if they have an inflatable option. 


  Alan 


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On Aug 1, 2023, at 1:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


 
Hi Alan, how do you bring the easy chair along, do you have an inflatable 
model 藍



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2023 7:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Hi Sandy, 



I expect the majority of problems using Face ID in our community have to do 
with incorrect distance between phone and face. 



I find that Face ID works most consistently with this distance: 



I sit in an easy chair such as a recliner. With the bottom of my phone 
lined up with my belly button and the screen pointed at my face, this seems to 
be an excellent distance for Face ID to work on apps where it is activated such 
as financial apps. I assume that would also be a good distance when setting it 
up. 



I encourage you to prevail with Face ID because when working properly, it 
is much more convenient than typing in a passcode or in Touch ID. 



Good luck. 



Alan Lemly 



Sent from my iPhone





  On Aug 1, 2023, at 6:01 AM, Sandra Finley  
wrote:

  

  I hate to admit this, but if I can’t ask fellow blind folks, then what is 
the point of a list like this? I have never mastered the use of facial 
recognition. I was able to follow the directions given to set up face ID fine. 
The problem I continue to have  is how to hold my phone up to my face  so that 
my fade is recognized. Several months ato I just stopped trying and have been 
using my password  instead, but I am  now determined to figure this out.  How 
did some of you  learn how to do this?



  Sandy  Finley 

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RE: A Proglem Unique to Blind People

2023-08-01 Thread Carolyn Arnold 
On my 11, the Wal-Mart guy could not get facial ID to work. I took it outside 
on west side of the building on a sunny afternoon and got it going myself. So, 
when I got my 14 Pro, I just sat here in the house and did it. I am totally 
blind, so felt fortunate to have managed to do it. 

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The friend that helped set up recognition moved the phone around my face up and 
down, left and right.

 

When I have trouble getting it to work I slowly move the phone around, keeping 
it facing me and usually hit the right spot.

 

Tony

 

 

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Finley
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2023 6:01 AM
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Subject: A Proglem Unique to Blind People

 

I hate to admit this, but if I can’t ask fellow blind folks, then what is the 
point of a list like this? I have never mastered the use of facial recognition. 
I was able to follow the directions given to set up face ID fine. The problem I 
continue to have  is how to hold my phone up to my face  so that my fade is 
recognized. Several months ato I just stopped trying and have been using my 
password  instead, but I am  now determined to figure this out.  How did some 
of you  learn how to do this?

 

Sandy  Finley 

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Re: A Proglem Unique to Blind People

2023-08-01 Thread CHELA Robles 
I am totally blind myself, but I turned off the attention awareness thing, so I didn’t quite understand what that meant and what that did and I read much earlier before this thread when I first got this iPhone 14 when I had questions a long time ago on this list I think Richard or somebody I don’t know who responded directly to me or right away within like five minutes of my sending my message about Face ID in the first place they told me to turn off the attention awareness feature which I did, and I haven’t had any issues since then the only times I’ve had issues is if I’m laying in bed a And I’m not looking directly at the phone or once in a while I’ll have to get it on the second attempt when I’m sitting up or standing when I’m opening my patelco mobile app which has some unlabeled buttons but I’m trying to work with them on that as far as accessibility goes lol but anyway all that being said, I get it usually in the second attempt, but when I set up the Face ID for the first time, I did not know what I was doing so I ended up getting one of those stands that hold the phone in place  Your kind of like a tripod kind of deal that was magnetic friendly and then I just looked straight into the phone that way with my glasses and without my glasses so I could capture my face that way. Only took roughly 3 to 5 minutes to figure that out when I first set it up going from an iPhone 8 plus to an iPhone 14 was definitely a little learning curve but I figured it out , and if I can figure it out, I’m sure you can figure it out. Have a great day. I hope this helps. Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 1, 2023, at 3:16 PM, Agent086B  wrote:Hi,from what I have read we all do this slightly different. I just pick up the phone off a desk or out of my pocket and hold it about 18 inches or more from my face on a slide angle  so the camera points to my face not my belly.I do have attention aware turned on as it is better security. I should say I am a total.Max.On 1 Aug 2023, at 21:01, Sandra Finley  wrote:I hate to admit this, but if I can’t ask fellow blind folks, then what is the point of a list like this? I have never mastered the use of facial recognition. I was able to follow the directions given to set up face ID fine. The problem I continue to have  is how to hold my phone up to my face  so that my fade is recognized. Several months ato I just stopped trying and have been using my password  instead, but I am  now determined to figure this out.  How did some of you  learn how to do this? Sandy  Finley -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/02a901d9c467%2477780450%2466680cf0%24%40gmail.com.



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Re: A Proglem Unique to Blind People

2023-08-01 Thread Agent086B 
Hi,
from what I have read we all do this slightly different. I just pick up the 
phone off a desk or out of my pocket and hold it about 18 inches or more from 
my face on a slide angle  so the camera points to my face not my belly.
I do have attention aware turned on as it is better security. I should say I am 
a total.
Max.

> On 1 Aug 2023, at 21:01, Sandra Finley  wrote:
> 
> I hate to admit this, but if I can’t ask fellow blind folks, then what is the 
> point of a list like this? I have never mastered the use of facial 
> recognition. I was able to follow the directions given to set up face ID 
> fine. The problem I continue to have  is how to hold my phone up to my face  
> so that my fade is recognized. Several months ato I just stopped trying and 
> have been using my password  instead, but I am  now determined to figure this 
> out.  How did some of you  learn how to do this?
>  
> Sandy  Finley 
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Re: A Proglem Unique to Blind People

2023-08-01 Thread Alan Lemly 
Hi Sieghard, I don't but that is an excellent idea. I need to find a LazyBoysAreUs website and see if they have an inflatable option. Alan Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 1, 2023, at 1:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







Hi Alan, how do you bring the easy chair along, do you have an inflatable model
藍
 


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On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2023 7:00 AM
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Hi Sandy, 


 


I expect the majority of problems using Face ID in our community have to do with incorrect distance between phone and face. 


 


I find that Face ID works most consistently with this distance: 


 


I sit in an easy chair such as a recliner. With the bottom of my phone lined up with my belly button and the screen pointed at my face, this seems to be an excellent distance for Face ID to work on apps where it is activated such as financial
 apps. I assume that would also be a good distance when setting it up. 


 


I encourage you to prevail with Face ID because when working properly, it is much more convenient than typing in a passcode or in Touch ID. 


 


Good luck. 


 


Alan Lemly 

 

Sent from my iPhone






On Aug 1, 2023, at 6:01 AM, Sandra Finley  wrote:





I hate to admit this, but if I can’t ask fellow blind folks, then what is the point of a list like this? I have never mastered the use of facial recognition. I was able to follow the directions given to set up face ID fine. The problem
 I continue to have  is how to hold my phone up to my face  so that my fade is recognized. Several months ato I just stopped trying and have been using my password  instead, but I am  now determined to figure this out.  How did some of you  learn how to do
 this?
 
Sandy  Finley 
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RE: A Proglem Unique to Blind People

2023-08-01 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
Hi Alan, how do you bring the easy chair along, do you have an inflatable model 
藍

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2023 7:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Proglem Unique to Blind People

Hi Sandy,

I expect the majority of problems using Face ID in our community have to do 
with incorrect distance between phone and face.

I find that Face ID works most consistently with this distance:

I sit in an easy chair such as a recliner. With the bottom of my phone lined up 
with my belly button and the screen pointed at my face, this seems to be an 
excellent distance for Face ID to work on apps where it is activated such as 
financial apps. I assume that would also be a good distance when setting it up.

I encourage you to prevail with Face ID because when working properly, it is 
much more convenient than typing in a passcode or in Touch ID.

Good luck.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 1, 2023, at 6:01 AM, Sandra Finley  wrote:

I hate to admit this, but if I can’t ask fellow blind folks, then what is the 
point of a list like this? I have never mastered the use of facial recognition. 
I was able to follow the directions given to set up face ID fine. The problem I 
continue to have  is how to hold my phone up to my face  so that my fade is 
recognized. Several months ato I just stopped trying and have been using my 
password  instead, but I am  now determined to figure this out.  How did some 
of you  learn how to do this?

Sandy  Finley
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RE: A Proglem Unique to Blind People

2023-08-01 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
Yes, Richard made an excellent point, turning off attention makes it easier by 
a lot.
I could do it fine with attention on except for at night. I lost my sight in an 
accident so both my eyes are prosthetic and I prefer to not have them in a t 
night and it simply won't work at all in this case just as it wouldn't work if 
attention is on and you had your eyes closed or mostly closed.

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Check in settings Face ID and Passcode that the setting under the Attention 
heading says:

Require Attention for Face ID, off


If that is on, you have to be looking at the phone in a precise way. It is more 
flexible when it is off.
Even then, sometimes it still doesn't work, but those are the minority.
Richard, USA.
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On Aug 1, 2023, at 5:31 AM, Robert Doc Wright  wrote:

try this. Place the middle of the phone up to your nose and slowly pull away as 
straight as you can.
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Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2023 5:01 AM
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I hate to admit this, but if I can’t ask fellow blind folks, then what is the 
point of a list like this? I have never mastered the use of facial recognition. 
I was able to follow the directions given to set up face ID fine. The problem I 
continue to have  is how to hold my phone up to my face  so that my fade is 
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RE: A Proglem Unique to Blind People

2023-08-01 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
In turn I hate to say this since I don't want to make you or anybody feel bad, 
but I never had any issue gretting Face I dto recognize me once set up. Do I 
sometimes get the message that it didn't work and to try again, yes, 
absolutely, but it's literally happening maybe once in 20 uses if that. I 
sometimes wake up at night lying on my side and I grab my iPhone to check the 
time or whatever and I just swipe up, sort of turn my head to glance in the 
direction of the phone and it just works for me.
The one thing which I find I can do to make it not work consistently is to hold 
the phone too close to my face, but by too close I mean literally 4 or 6 inches 
away, I find anything 10 inches or more up to as far as you can stretch your 
arm and still comfortably hold your phone works fine.
My recommendation would be to maybe get a sighted person to observe you as you 
try to unlock with Face Id to see if you somehow hold the phone on an angle 
where it is not pointing towards your face.

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Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2023 4:01 AM
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Subject: A Proglem Unique to Blind People

I hate to admit this, but if I can’t ask fellow blind folks, then what is the 
point of a list like this? I have never mastered the use of facial recognition. 
I was able to follow the directions given to set up face ID fine. The problem I 
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Re: A Proglem Unique to Blind People

2023-08-01 Thread Alan Lemly 
Hi Sandy, I expect the majority of problems using Face ID in our community have to do with incorrect distance between phone and face. I find that Face ID works most consistently with this distance: I sit in an easy chair such as a recliner. With the bottom of my phone lined up with my belly button and the screen pointed at my face, this seems to be an excellent distance for Face ID to work on apps where it is activated such as financial apps. I assume that would also be a good distance when setting it up. I encourage you to prevail with Face ID because when working properly, it is much more convenient than typing in a passcode or in Touch ID. Good luck. Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 1, 2023, at 6:01 AM, Sandra Finley  wrote:I hate to admit this, but if I can’t ask fellow blind folks, then what is the point of a list like this? I have never mastered the use of facial recognition. I was able to follow the directions given to set up face ID fine. The problem I continue to have  is how to hold my phone up to my face  so that my fade is recognized. Several months ato I just stopped trying and have been using my password  instead, but I am  now determined to figure this out.  How did some of you  learn how to do this? Sandy  Finley 



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RE: A Proglem Unique to Blind People

2023-08-01 Thread tony k5twz . com 
The friend that helped set up recognition moved the phone around my face up and 
down, left and right.

When I have trouble getting it to work I slowly move the phone around, keeping 
it facing me and usually hit the right spot.

Tony


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Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2023 6:01 AM
To: iPhone List 
Subject: A Proglem Unique to Blind People

I hate to admit this, but if I can’t ask fellow blind folks, then what is the 
point of a list like this? I have never mastered the use of facial recognition. 
I was able to follow the directions given to set up face ID fine. The problem I 
continue to have  is how to hold my phone up to my face  so that my fade is 
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Re: A Proglem Unique to Blind People

2023-08-01 Thread Richard Turner 
Check in settings Face ID and Passcode that the setting under the Attention heading says:Require Attention for Face ID, offIf that is on, you have to be looking at the phone in a precise way. It is more flexible when it is off.Even then, sometimes it still doesn't work, but those are the minority. Richard, USA.“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John RuskinMy web site: https://www.turner42.comOn Aug 1, 2023, at 5:31 AM, Robert Doc Wright  wrote:






try this. Place the middle of the phone up to your 
nose and slowly pull away as straight as you can.

  - Original Message - 
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  To: iPhone List 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2023 5:01 
  AM
  Subject: A Proglem Unique to Blind 
  People
  
  
  I hate to admit this, but if I can’t ask fellow blind 
  folks, then what is the point of a list like this? I have never mastered the 
  use of facial recognition. I was able to follow the directions given to set up 
  face ID fine. The problem I continue to have  is how to hold my phone up 
  to my face  so that my fade is recognized. Several months ato I just 
  stopped trying and have been using my password  instead, but I am 
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Re: A Proglem Unique to Blind People

2023-08-01 Thread Robert Doc Wright 
try this. Place the middle of the phone up to your nose and slowly pull away as 
straight as you can.
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  From: Sandra Finley 
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  Subject: A Proglem Unique to Blind People


  I hate to admit this, but if I can’t ask fellow blind folks, then what is the 
point of a list like this? I have never mastered the use of facial recognition. 
I was able to follow the directions given to set up face ID fine. The problem I 
continue to have  is how to hold my phone up to my face  so that my fade is 
recognized. Several months ato I just stopped trying and have been using my 
password  instead, but I am  now determined to figure this out.  How did some 
of you  learn how to do this?

   

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Re: A Proglem Unique to Blind People

2023-08-01 Thread Jennie Facer 
Hi all,

Here is how I do it. It may sound a little bit different than what others have 
said.

I started by holding the phone right up to and touching my face. i had the 
middle of it right on my face. I then slowly backed the phone away and it then 
unlocked after a while. Now I hold it so that my elbow is barely bent and the 
phone is up toward my face still. I also hold the phone in portrait mode.

Hope this helps a little bit.

Jenn
Jennie Facer

> On Aug 1, 2023, at 5:01 AM, Sandra Finley  
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> I hate to admit this, but if I can’t ask fellow blind folks, then what is the 
> point of a list like this? I have never mastered the use of facial 
> recognition. I was able to follow the directions given to set up face ID 
> fine. The problem I continue to have  is how to hold my phone up to my face  
> so that my fade is recognized. Several months ato I just stopped trying and 
> have been using my password  instead, but I am  now determined to figure this 
> out.  How did some of you  learn how to do this?
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Re: A Proglem Unique to Blind People

2023-08-01 Thread Mária Orovčíková 
I know this is not the best advice, but just thought to say that I 
learned by practice, trials and errors.


I must admit I am weird at figuring out measurement units. In Slovakia 
we use metric system like meters, centimeters etc, , so feet, inches and 
other units that you use in the U.S. and other countries is confusing 
for me.


Fortunately, there is a way to convert the units quickly by asking our 
smart devices.


However, if someone tells me 1 ft or 30 cm, I can't picture it in my 
head, so it took me long time to figure out how Face ID works when 
someone described it to me.


It was frustrating when I tried to unlock my phone using face ID with 
ten unsuccessful attempts, so I gave up and used the passcode instead, 
but the more I practiced the less unsuccessful attempts I had with Face 
ID and now I can use it fine.


Yes, sometimes I don't unlock my phone and had to try again, but at 
least it doesn't take me 10 attempts any more.


So give it time and patience and you'll learn it.

Maria


Dňa 1. 8. 2023 o 13:01 Sandra Finley napísal(a):


I hate to admit this, but if I can’t ask fellow blind folks, then what 
is the point of a list like this? I have never mastered the use of 
facial recognition. I was able to follow the directions given to set 
up face ID fine. The problem I continue to have  is how to hold my 
phone up to my face  so that my fade is recognized. Several months ato 
I just stopped trying and have been using my password  instead, but I 
am  now determined to figure this out.  How did some of you  learn how 
to do this?


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RE: A Proglem Unique to Blind People

2023-08-01 Thread Christopher Chaltain 
I struggled with this on my personal iPhone 11. For my part, I was holding the 
phone too close to my face. I now hold it about 18 inches from my face, and it 
works almost all of the time. I’d try varying the distances a bit to see if you 
can find that sweet spot.

On the iPhone 12 I got from my employer though, I still haven’t found the 
trick. I’ve pretty much just resorted to typing in my pin each time. I’ve reset 
face ID and set up multiple faces, but it still doesn’t work for me! Not sure 
what I’m doing differently, but I’m sure it’s a user thing.

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Thinking about this, the best way I can describe it is to say hold your phone 
in your hand or hands, about foot in front of your face, with your elbows close 
to your sides, and your hands about shoulder height. The phone should be angled 
Toward you, not necessarily straight up and down. Try doing the capture like 
that and see what happens.
Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 1, 2023, at 07:01, Sandra Finley 
mailto:therealsandyfin...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I hate to admit this, but if I can’t ask fellow blind folks, then what is the 
point of a list like this? I have never mastered the use of facial recognition. 
I was able to follow the directions given to set up face ID fine. The problem I 
continue to have  is how to hold my phone up to my face  so that my fade is 
recognized. Several months ato I just stopped trying and have been using my 
password  instead, but I am  now determined to figure this out.  How did some 
of you  learn how to do this?

Sandy  Finley
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Re: A Proglem Unique to Blind People

2023-08-01 Thread Matt White 
Thinking about this, the best way I can describe it is to say hold your phone in your hand or hands, about foot in front of your face, with your elbows close to your sides, and your hands about shoulder height. The phone should be angled Toward you, not necessarily straight up and down. Try doing the capture like that and see what happens. Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 1, 2023, at 07:01, Sandra Finley  wrote:I hate to admit this, but if I can’t ask fellow blind folks, then what is the point of a list like this? I have never mastered the use of facial recognition. I was able to follow the directions given to set up face ID fine. The problem I continue to have  is how to hold my phone up to my face  so that my fade is recognized. Several months ato I just stopped trying and have been using my password  instead, but I am  now determined to figure this out.  How did some of you  learn how to do this? Sandy  Finley 



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RE: A Proglem Unique to Blind People

2023-08-01 Thread realman02 via VIPhone 
I am having this problem as well. Thanks for asking!

 

 

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Finley
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2023 7:01 AM
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Subject: A Proglem Unique to Blind People

 

I hate to admit this, but if I can’t ask fellow blind folks, then what is the 
point of a list like this? I have never mastered the use of facial recognition. 
I was able to follow the directions given to set up face ID fine. The problem I 
continue to have  is how to hold my phone up to my face  so that my fade is 
recognized. Several months ato I just stopped trying and have been using my 
password  instead, but I am  now determined to figure this out.  How did some 
of you  learn how to do this?

 

Sandy  Finley 

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A Proglem Unique to Blind People

2023-08-01 Thread Sandra Finley 
I hate to admit this, but if I can't ask fellow blind folks, then what is
the point of a list like this? I have never mastered the use of facial
recognition. I was able to follow the directions given to set up face ID
fine. The problem I continue to have  is how to hold my phone up to my face
so that my fade is recognized. Several months ato I just stopped trying and
have been using my password  instead, but I am  now determined to figure
this out.  How did some of you  learn how to do this?

 

Sandy  Finley 

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