Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?
Oh WOW!! Worse than Apple's iOS8 For Me: Can't really Say at "This Point" because I haven't explored it yet, but I will on My NEW iPhone11PRO & I'll leave My iPhoneXS MAX on iOS12.4.1 At 05:25 AM 11/7/2019, you wrote: iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish I had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it bassically worked. And, because I have to download updates over public wi-fi since I don't have it at home, getting whatever the non-buggy version is will take forever. It's clear that Apple is moving away from accessibility as a major concern and into other areas. I hope other phones become more accessible so there are better choices eventually. > On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White wrote: > > Hi, I agree. > > First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I get stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it. It doesn’t matter what the app is that sends the notification. It repeats and repeats until I can flick away from it. > > The other is a new issue. My default voice is Alex. But when I perform a triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go back to Alex. > > And, of course, there is the mailbox. But Apple supposedly knows about this. The focus issues really aren’t fix. Maybe slightly better. But it is definitely buggy still. > > Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper. Of course, you have to had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:20 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone wrote: >> >> hi, I have updated to iOS 13.2. This certainly is somewhat better than earlier versions of iOS 13, but it seems to me that there are still lots of problems with it. Do others agree? I haven’t been on the list much recently due to a heavy work load, so please forgive if this has been well covered. >> Best, Keith >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/28fddd%24cnbr09%40ironport10.mayo.edu. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5339D393-BCEB-4119-A15A-CE39097AD258%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/FE9E61D9-83D0-410C-9B8C-9EBAC3E47AF3%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel
RE: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?
Hi Dave, Amen to that! I’m staying there as well, at least for now! LOL! Janet Janet -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2019 10:01 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain? Hi Joshua. It was 12.4.1, and i am staying there too. Until things are looking better. Dave. -Original Message- From: Joshua Hendrickson Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2019 3:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain? I'm still using version 12.42 or whatever the last number after 12 is. The reason why I'm not updating is because my iPhone 8 is working just fine for me. I know I'll eventually have to update, but for now, I'll keep using my phone the way it is. On 11/7/19, kelby carlson wrote: > iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish > I > had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it basically > worked. And, because I have to download updates over public wi-fi since I > don't have it at home, getting whatever the non-buggy version is will take > forever. It's clear that Apple is moving away from accessibility as a > major > concern and into other areas. I hope other phones become more accessible > so > there are better choices eventually. > >> On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White wrote: >> >> Hi, I agree. >> >> First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I >> get stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it. It doesn’t >> matter what the app is that sends the notification. It repeats and >> repeats until I can flick away from it. >> >> The other is a new issue. My default voice is Alex. But when I perform >> a >> triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go >> back to Alex. >> >> And, of course, there is the mailbox. But Apple supposedly knows about >> this. The focus issues really aren’t fix. Maybe slightly better. But >> it >> is definitely buggy still. >> >> Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper. Of course, you >> have to had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:20 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone >>> wrote: >>> >>> hi, I have updated to iOS 13.2. This certainly is somewhat better than >>> earlier versions of iOS 13, but it seems to me that there are still lots >>> of problems with it. Do others agree? I haven’t been on the list much >>> recently due to a heavy work load, so please forgive if this has been >>> well covered. >>> Best, Keith >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>> list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an >>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/28fddd%24cnbr09%40ironport10.mayo.edu. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >> list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. &
Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?
Kelby, The message below yours is from Sieghard about Apple and Steve Jobs, ... so I am not sure which bug you are referring to. If you are talking about the pronunciation thing with the word gun, that is a VoiceOver issue as I'm using Tom Enhanced and it spells out the word gun, but if I use a British voice, it reads the word correctly. This is new as far as I can tell. Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner On Nov 8, 2019, at 3:44 AM, kelby carlson wrote: Looks like focus in emails is still something of a problem. Richard, It looks like this bug may actually only occur in VoiceDream with an iOS voice—very strange, and I'll have to email the developer. On Nov 7, 2019, at 10:39 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Let's not forget that Steve Jobs passed away on October 5, 2011 and that he was quite sick for some time. I can't remember if he was still briefly in the September keynote that year or not, but just as a reference iOS 5 was released 6 days after he passed away and while he was instrumental in the release of the iPhone in 2007 and probably controlled many aspects of hardware and software development for the 3 years or so afterwards before he got too sick, Voiceover did not show up until 2009 so at best he was part of iOS development for 1 or at most 2 versions afterwards. Back then there were a lot less devices and even though they are Apple's devices, they still need to be supported. There were a lot less apps and I would probably not be wrong in saying that many apps were maybe less complicated, nowadays the sheer processing power of the iPhone allows for a lot more possibilities. I don't want to totally give Apple the get out of jail free card here and those who know me also know that I have criticized Apple on many occasions, but I was simply making a case for the fact that Apple in my opinion is certainly not abandoning accessibility. For me one of the worst bugs in iOS 13 is that dictation is extremely compromised if you are bi-lingual and maybe it's even worse if you are multi-lingual. I speak German and English fluently and have both keyboards installed. Dictation in German for the most part seems fine although I don't use it as often, but when my keyboard is set to English it's absolutely horrible because often SIRI will try to interpret what I dictate in English as German and the result is pure gibberish. Sometimes I dictate a shorter part of a sentence and it's perfect, then I continue and I speak a bit longer and SIRI inserts what I say half in English and half in what it thinks I said is German. Like I said, it's horrible and one of these days I will have to turn off Voiceover and ask a sighted person to start dictation for me to see if this is only happening when Voiceover is running. I somehow can't see why it would, but if it isn't and all sighted users also have this experience I am surprised it wasn't fixed yet and if it is Voiceover related then I have to start bugging Apple Accessibility about it. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Ryan Mann Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 7:09 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain? I agree. I would also like to add that Apple is putting more focus on accessibility in their development frameworks. SwiftUI, Apple’s latest framework for developing the user interface for apps allows developers to make a lot of apps accessible without much work. I would say if anything, Apple is focused on accessibility more than ever before. I will say that when Steve Jobs was running the company it seems like there were less bugs when IOS upgrades were first released. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Saying Apple is moving away from accessibility is complete nonsense. First of all, iOS 12 even it's earlier versions were better than iOS 11 ever was so I am not sure why iOS 11 seems to hold such a mystical value for you. Second, iOS 13.2 still has a few bugs, but overall they are more minor annoyances for most users, e.g. the fact when you delete emails focus goes up to the back button etc. Yes, I know there are some more issues around braille and hearing aids, but as I said, I mean for "most:" users. The problem with Voiceover going away after a phone call is gone, third party keyboards again work correctly and all in all iOS 13.2 is stabile, battery usage is good and it's snappy and responsive. The addition of Voice Control which probably benefits users with motor impairments more currently than users who also need Voiceover to me indicates that Apple's commitment to accessibility is far form dead or even slowing down. Lastly, every year when a new version of iOS comes out there are initial bugs, some worse than others and every year for the
Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?
Looks like focus in emails is still something of a problem. Richard, It looks like this bug may actually only occur in VoiceDream with an iOS voice—very strange, and I'll have to email the developer. > On Nov 7, 2019, at 10:39 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > Let's not forget that Steve Jobs passed away on October 5, 2011 and that he > was quite sick for some time. I can't remember if he was still briefly in the > September keynote that year or not, but just as a reference iOS 5 was > released 6 days after he passed away and while he was instrumental in the > release of the iPhone in 2007 and probably controlled many aspects of > hardware and software development for the 3 years or so afterwards before he > got too sick, Voiceover did not show up until 2009 so at best he was part of > iOS development for 1 or at most 2 versions afterwards. Back then there were > a lot less devices and even though they are Apple's devices, they still need > to be supported. There were a lot less apps and I would probably not be wrong > in saying that many apps were maybe less complicated, nowadays the sheer > processing power of the iPhone allows for a lot more possibilities. I don't > want to totally give Apple the get out of jail free card here and those who > know me also know that I have criticized Apple on many occasions, but I was > simply making a case for the fact that Apple in my opinion is certainly not > abandoning accessibility. > For me one of the worst bugs in iOS 13 is that dictation is extremely > compromised if you are bi-lingual and maybe it's even worse if you are > multi-lingual. I speak German and English fluently and have both keyboards > installed. Dictation in German for the most part seems fine although I don't > use it as often, but when my keyboard is set to English it's absolutely > horrible because often SIRI will try to interpret what I dictate in English > as German and the result is pure gibberish. Sometimes I dictate a shorter > part of a sentence and it's perfect, then I continue and I speak a bit longer > and SIRI inserts what I say half in English and half in what it thinks I said > is German. Like I said, it's horrible and one of these days I will have to > turn off Voiceover and ask a sighted person to start dictation for me to see > if this is only happening when Voiceover is running. I somehow can't see why > it would, but if it isn't and all sighted users also have this experience I > am surprised it wasn't fixed yet and if it is Voiceover related then I have > to start bugging Apple Accessibility about it. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Ryan > Mann > Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 7:09 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain? > > I agree. I would also like to add that Apple is putting more focus on > accessibility in their development frameworks. SwiftUI, Apple’s latest > framework for developing the user interface for apps allows developers to > make a lot of apps accessible without much work. I would say if anything, > Apple is focused on accessibility more than ever before. I will say that > when Steve Jobs was running the company it seems like there were less bugs > when IOS upgrades were first released. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> >> Saying Apple is moving away from accessibility is complete nonsense. >> First of all, iOS 12 even it's earlier versions were better than iOS 11 ever >> was so I am not sure why iOS 11 seems to hold such a mystical value for you. >> Second, iOS 13.2 still has a few bugs, but overall they are more minor >> annoyances for most users, e.g. the fact when you delete emails focus goes >> up to the back button etc. Yes, I know there are some more issues around >> braille and hearing aids, but as I said, I mean for "most:" users. The >> problem with Voiceover going away after a phone call is gone, third party >> keyboards again work correctly and all in all iOS 13.2 is stabile, battery >> usage is good and it's snappy and responsive. >> The addition of Voice Control which probably benefits users with motor >> impairments more currently than users who also need Voiceover to me >> indicates that Apple's commitment to accessibility is far form dead or even >> slowing down. >> Lastly, every year when a new version of iOS comes out there are initial >> bugs, some worse than others and every year for the last 10 years which is >> how long I have been using Voiceover (basically since it's first debut) I >> read messages like yours where somebody says the new iOS is complete
RE: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?
Let's not forget that Steve Jobs passed away on October 5, 2011 and that he was quite sick for some time. I can't remember if he was still briefly in the September keynote that year or not, but just as a reference iOS 5 was released 6 days after he passed away and while he was instrumental in the release of the iPhone in 2007 and probably controlled many aspects of hardware and software development for the 3 years or so afterwards before he got too sick, Voiceover did not show up until 2009 so at best he was part of iOS development for 1 or at most 2 versions afterwards. Back then there were a lot less devices and even though they are Apple's devices, they still need to be supported. There were a lot less apps and I would probably not be wrong in saying that many apps were maybe less complicated, nowadays the sheer processing power of the iPhone allows for a lot more possibilities. I don't want to totally give Apple the get out of jail free card here and those who know me also know that I have criticized Apple on many occasions, but I was simply making a case for the fact that Apple in my opinion is certainly not abandoning accessibility. For me one of the worst bugs in iOS 13 is that dictation is extremely compromised if you are bi-lingual and maybe it's even worse if you are multi-lingual. I speak German and English fluently and have both keyboards installed. Dictation in German for the most part seems fine although I don't use it as often, but when my keyboard is set to English it's absolutely horrible because often SIRI will try to interpret what I dictate in English as German and the result is pure gibberish. Sometimes I dictate a shorter part of a sentence and it's perfect, then I continue and I speak a bit longer and SIRI inserts what I say half in English and half in what it thinks I said is German. Like I said, it's horrible and one of these days I will have to turn off Voiceover and ask a sighted person to start dictation for me to see if this is only happening when Voiceover is running. I somehow can't see why it would, but if it isn't and all sighted users also have this experience I am surprised it wasn't fixed yet and if it is Voiceover related then I have to start bugging Apple Accessibility about it. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Ryan Mann Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 7:09 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain? I agree. I would also like to add that Apple is putting more focus on accessibility in their development frameworks. SwiftUI, Apple’s latest framework for developing the user interface for apps allows developers to make a lot of apps accessible without much work. I would say if anything, Apple is focused on accessibility more than ever before. I will say that when Steve Jobs was running the company it seems like there were less bugs when IOS upgrades were first released. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > Saying Apple is moving away from accessibility is complete nonsense. > First of all, iOS 12 even it's earlier versions were better than iOS 11 ever > was so I am not sure why iOS 11 seems to hold such a mystical value for you. > Second, iOS 13.2 still has a few bugs, but overall they are more minor > annoyances for most users, e.g. the fact when you delete emails focus goes up > to the back button etc. Yes, I know there are some more issues around braille > and hearing aids, but as I said, I mean for "most:" users. The problem with > Voiceover going away after a phone call is gone, third party keyboards again > work correctly and all in all iOS 13.2 is stabile, battery usage is good and > it's snappy and responsive. > The addition of Voice Control which probably benefits users with motor > impairments more currently than users who also need Voiceover to me indicates > that Apple's commitment to accessibility is far form dead or even slowing > down. > Lastly, every year when a new version of iOS comes out there are initial > bugs, some worse than others and every year for the last 10 years which is > how long I have been using Voiceover (basically since it's first debut) I > read messages like yours where somebody says the new iOS is complete garbage > and Apple is not committed to accessibility any longer so it's nothing new, > but it's getting old. Accessibility is not going away any more, it's far too > prominent of a topic now with most major companies be it Apple, Microsoft, > Google, Amazon or others being fairly majorly invested in it as well as in > its continued development and improvement. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of kelby > carlson > Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 5:25 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: how bug
Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?
I agree. I would also like to add that Apple is putting more focus on accessibility in their development frameworks. SwiftUI, Apple’s latest framework for developing the user interface for apps allows developers to make a lot of apps accessible without much work. I would say if anything, Apple is focused on accessibility more than ever before. I will say that when Steve Jobs was running the company it seems like there were less bugs when IOS upgrades were first released. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > Saying Apple is moving away from accessibility is complete nonsense. > First of all, iOS 12 even it's earlier versions were better than iOS 11 ever > was so I am not sure why iOS 11 seems to hold such a mystical value for you. > Second, iOS 13.2 still has a few bugs, but overall they are more minor > annoyances for most users, e.g. the fact when you delete emails focus goes up > to the back button etc. Yes, I know there are some more issues around braille > and hearing aids, but as I said, I mean for "most:" users. The problem with > Voiceover going away after a phone call is gone, third party keyboards again > work correctly and all in all iOS 13.2 is stabile, battery usage is good and > it's snappy and responsive. > The addition of Voice Control which probably benefits users with motor > impairments more currently than users who also need Voiceover to me indicates > that Apple's commitment to accessibility is far form dead or even slowing > down. > Lastly, every year when a new version of iOS comes out there are initial > bugs, some worse than others and every year for the last 10 years which is > how long I have been using Voiceover (basically since it's first debut) I > read messages like yours where somebody says the new iOS is complete garbage > and Apple is not committed to accessibility any longer so it's nothing new, > but it's getting old. Accessibility is not going away any more, it's far too > prominent of a topic now with most major companies be it Apple, Microsoft, > Google, Amazon or others being fairly majorly invested in it as well as in > its continued development and improvement. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of kelby > carlson > Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 5:25 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain? > > iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish I > had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it basically > worked. And, because I have to download updates over public wi-fi since I > don't have it at home, getting whatever the non-buggy version is will take > forever. It's clear that Apple is moving away from accessibility as a major > concern and into other areas. I hope other phones become more accessible so > there are better choices eventually. > >> On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White wrote: >> >> Hi, I agree. >> >> First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I >> get stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it. It doesn’t >> matter what the app is that sends the notification. It repeats and repeats >> until I can flick away from it. >> >> The other is a new issue. My default voice is Alex. But when I perform a >> triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go >> back to Alex. >> >> And, of course, there is the mailbox. But Apple supposedly knows about >> this. The focus issues really aren’t fix. Maybe slightly better. But it >> is definitely buggy still. >> >> Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper. Of course, you have >> to had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:20 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone >>>> wrote: >>> >>> hi, I have updated to iOS 13.2. This certainly is somewhat better than >>> earlier versions of iOS 13, but it seems to me that there are still lots of >>> problems with it. Do others agree? I haven’t been on the list much recently >>> due to a heavy work load, so please forgive if this has been well covered. >>> Best, Keith >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?
For me, it's not as bad as IOS 9 was. I had to reboot my phone every time I answered a phone call for like four months with IOS 9. I had to restart VoiceOver every time I replied to an email message for two years. I'm not seeing those problems myself with IOS 13, but unlike all of those unsympathetic people who didn't have the same issues I did with IOS 9, I feel the pain of those of you who are running into similar issues in IOS 13. On 11/7/19 7:25 AM, kelby carlson wrote: iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish I had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it basically worked. And, because I have to download updates over public wi-fi since I don't have it at home, getting whatever the non-buggy version is will take forever. It's clear that Apple is moving away from accessibility as a major concern and into other areas. I hope other phones become more accessible so there are better choices eventually. On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White wrote: Hi, I agree. First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I get stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it. It doesn’t matter what the app is that sends the notification. It repeats and repeats until I can flick away from it. The other is a new issue. My default voice is Alex. But when I perform a triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go back to Alex. And, of course, there is the mailbox. But Apple supposedly knows about this. The focus issues really aren’t fix. Maybe slightly better. But it is definitely buggy still. Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper. Of course, you have to had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:20 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone wrote: hi, I have updated to iOS 13.2. This certainly is somewhat better than earlier versions of iOS 13, but it seems to me that there are still lots of problems with it. Do others agree? I haven’t been on the list much recently due to a heavy work load, so please forgive if this has been well covered. Best, Keith -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/28fddd%24cnbr09%40ironport10.mayo.edu. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5339D393-BCEB-4119-A15A-CE39097AD258%40gmail.com. -- Christopher (CJ) Chaltain at Gmail -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/2d7c056b-81a2-4c89-3960-3317e3c25604%40gmail.com.
Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?
Interesting, I've never run into that. Could you send an example? Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner On Nov 7, 2019, at 6:07 PM, kelby carlson wrote: One extremely odd bug that still remains is Voiceover's pronunciation of the em dash as "to the power of", which seems impossible to change. On Nov 7, 2019, at 7:27 PM, Albert Ruel wrote: Sieghard,I was one of the holdouts because of all the drama around the bugs/inconveniences that iOS 13.X dragged us through, and on Friday evening I bit the bullet and updated my iPhone XR. I'm pleased to report that after turning off the Slide To Type keyboard and the extra Haptic feedback I've found that I had little in the way of new strategies and techniques to learn in order to re-gain an appropriate level of efficiency. I see that the Native Email app does require me to do some things differently than it did before, however it's not the first time a major update caused me to have to operate differently. I've already figured out that when my focus jumps to the top of the screen after I've deleted a message I merely have to touch the screen about one third of the way down and my focus is right back where it was. Although I might not have asked for some of these changes, most are just fine to use, and many do actually add beneficial functionality. I do empathize with the hearing aid users who have lost functionality and hope that Apple will bring that back for folks. BTW, thanks to all of you on this list for the discussions you've had about iOS 13. Through your discussions I sorted out what I was willing to work with and what needed to be turned off, and more importantly how I would use many of the new/changed app functionality. You've helped make the transition a breeze. Thx, Albert *** Albert A. Ruel, Parksville BC, Canada albertr...@gmail.com -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 10:18 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain? Saying Apple is moving away from accessibility is complete nonsense. First of all, iOS 12 even it's earlier versions were better than iOS 11 ever was so I am not sure why iOS 11 seems to hold such a mystical value for you. Second, iOS 13.2 still has a few bugs, but overall they are more minor annoyances for most users, e.g. the fact when you delete emails focus goes up to the back button etc. Yes, I know there are some more issues around braille and hearing aids, but as I said, I mean for "most:" users. The problem with Voiceover going away after a phone call is gone, third party keyboards again work correctly and all in all iOS 13.2 is stabile, battery usage is good and it's snappy and responsive. The addition of Voice Control which probably benefits users with motor impairments more currently than users who also need Voiceover to me indicates that Apple's commitment to accessibility is far form dead or even slowing down. Lastly, every year when a new version of iOS comes out there are initial bugs, some worse than others and every year for the last 10 years which is how long I have been using Voiceover (basically since it's first debut) I read messages like yours where somebody says the new iOS is complete garbage and Apple is not committed to accessibility any longer so it's nothing new, but it's getting old. Accessibility is not going away any more, it's far too prominent of a topic now with most major companies be it Apple, Microsoft, Google, Amazon or others being fairly majorly invested in it as well as in its continued development and improvement. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of kelby carlson Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 5:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain? iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish I had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it basically worked. And, because I have to download updates over public wi-fi since I don't have it at home, getting whatever the non-buggy version is will take forever. It's clear that Apple is moving away from accessibility as a major concern and into other areas. I hope other phones become more accessible so there are better choices eventually. On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White wrote: Hi, I agree. First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I get stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it. It doesn’t matter what the app is that sends the notification. It repeats and repeats until I can flick away from it. The other is a new issue. My default voice is Alex. But when I perform a triple click, Samantha is the voice and I h
Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?
One extremely odd bug that still remains is Voiceover's pronunciation of the em dash as "to the power of", which seems impossible to change. > On Nov 7, 2019, at 7:27 PM, Albert Ruel wrote: > > Sieghard,I was one of the holdouts because of all the drama around the > bugs/inconveniences that iOS 13.X dragged us through, and on Friday evening I > bit the bullet and updated my iPhone XR. I'm pleased to report that after > turning off the Slide To Type keyboard and the extra Haptic feedback I've > found that I had little in the way of new strategies and techniques to learn > in order to re-gain an appropriate level of efficiency. I see that the > Native Email app does require me to do some things differently than it did > before, however it's not the first time a major update caused me to have to > operate differently. I've already figured out that when my focus jumps to > the top of the screen after I've deleted a message I merely have to touch the > screen about one third of the way down and my focus is right back where it > was. Although I might not have asked for some of these changes, most are > just fine to use, and many do actually add beneficial functionality. > > I do empathize with the hearing aid users who have lost functionality and > hope that Apple will bring that back for folks. > > BTW, thanks to all of you on this list for the discussions you've had about > iOS 13. Through your discussions I sorted out what I was willing to work > with and what needed to be turned off, and more importantly how I would use > many of the new/changed app functionality. You've helped make the transition > a breeze. > > Thx, Albert > > *** > > Albert A. Ruel, Parksville BC, Canada > albertr...@gmail.com > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 10:18 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain? > > Saying Apple is moving away from accessibility is complete nonsense. > First of all, iOS 12 even it's earlier versions were better than iOS 11 ever > was so I am not sure why iOS 11 seems to hold such a mystical value for you. > Second, iOS 13.2 still has a few bugs, but overall they are more minor > annoyances for most users, e.g. the fact when you delete emails focus goes up > to the back button etc. Yes, I know there are some more issues around braille > and hearing aids, but as I said, I mean for "most:" users. The problem with > Voiceover going away after a phone call is gone, third party keyboards again > work correctly and all in all iOS 13.2 is stabile, battery usage is good and > it's snappy and responsive. > The addition of Voice Control which probably benefits users with motor > impairments more currently than users who also need Voiceover to me indicates > that Apple's commitment to accessibility is far form dead or even slowing > down. > Lastly, every year when a new version of iOS comes out there are initial > bugs, some worse than others and every year for the last 10 years which is > how long I have been using Voiceover (basically since it's first debut) I > read messages like yours where somebody says the new iOS is complete garbage > and Apple is not committed to accessibility any longer so it's nothing new, > but it's getting old. Accessibility is not going away any more, it's far too > prominent of a topic now with most major companies be it Apple, Microsoft, > Google, Amazon or others being fairly majorly invested in it as well as in > its continued development and improvement. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of kelby > carlson > Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 5:25 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain? > > iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish I > had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it basically > worked. And, because I have to download updates over public wi-fi since I > don't have it at home, getting whatever the non-buggy version is will take > forever. It's clear that Apple is moving away from accessibility as a major > concern and into other areas. I hope other phones become more accessible so > there are better choices eventually. > >> On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White wrote: >> >> Hi, I agree. >> >> First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I >> get stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it. It doesn’t >> matter what the app is that sends the notification. It repeats
RE: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?
Sieghard,I was one of the holdouts because of all the drama around the bugs/inconveniences that iOS 13.X dragged us through, and on Friday evening I bit the bullet and updated my iPhone XR. I'm pleased to report that after turning off the Slide To Type keyboard and the extra Haptic feedback I've found that I had little in the way of new strategies and techniques to learn in order to re-gain an appropriate level of efficiency. I see that the Native Email app does require me to do some things differently than it did before, however it's not the first time a major update caused me to have to operate differently. I've already figured out that when my focus jumps to the top of the screen after I've deleted a message I merely have to touch the screen about one third of the way down and my focus is right back where it was. Although I might not have asked for some of these changes, most are just fine to use, and many do actually add beneficial functionality. I do empathize with the hearing aid users who have lost functionality and hope that Apple will bring that back for folks. BTW, thanks to all of you on this list for the discussions you've had about iOS 13. Through your discussions I sorted out what I was willing to work with and what needed to be turned off, and more importantly how I would use many of the new/changed app functionality. You've helped make the transition a breeze. Thx, Albert *** Albert A. Ruel, Parksville BC, Canada albertr...@gmail.com -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 10:18 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain? Saying Apple is moving away from accessibility is complete nonsense. First of all, iOS 12 even it's earlier versions were better than iOS 11 ever was so I am not sure why iOS 11 seems to hold such a mystical value for you. Second, iOS 13.2 still has a few bugs, but overall they are more minor annoyances for most users, e.g. the fact when you delete emails focus goes up to the back button etc. Yes, I know there are some more issues around braille and hearing aids, but as I said, I mean for "most:" users. The problem with Voiceover going away after a phone call is gone, third party keyboards again work correctly and all in all iOS 13.2 is stabile, battery usage is good and it's snappy and responsive. The addition of Voice Control which probably benefits users with motor impairments more currently than users who also need Voiceover to me indicates that Apple's commitment to accessibility is far form dead or even slowing down. Lastly, every year when a new version of iOS comes out there are initial bugs, some worse than others and every year for the last 10 years which is how long I have been using Voiceover (basically since it's first debut) I read messages like yours where somebody says the new iOS is complete garbage and Apple is not committed to accessibility any longer so it's nothing new, but it's getting old. Accessibility is not going away any more, it's far too prominent of a topic now with most major companies be it Apple, Microsoft, Google, Amazon or others being fairly majorly invested in it as well as in its continued development and improvement. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of kelby carlson Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 5:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain? iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish I had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it basically worked. And, because I have to download updates over public wi-fi since I don't have it at home, getting whatever the non-buggy version is will take forever. It's clear that Apple is moving away from accessibility as a major concern and into other areas. I hope other phones become more accessible so there are better choices eventually. > On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White wrote: > > Hi, I agree. > > First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I get > stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it. It doesn’t matter > what the app is that sends the notification. It repeats and repeats until I > can flick away from it. > > The other is a new issue. My default voice is Alex. But when I perform a > triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go > back to Alex. > > And, of course, there is the mailbox. But Apple supposedly knows about this. > The focus issues really aren’t fix. Maybe slightly better. But it is > definitely buggy still. > > Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper. Of course, you have > to had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like. > > Sent from my iPhone > >&g
RE: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?
Hi all: I haven't updated as I not looking forward to any of the problems others have faced. I will also do it when I feel that I am ready and I hear that there are not as many bugs in it. Yes there will be always small bugs that doesn't upset me it is when there are many small ones still. My eight plus is working fine now and why have a headache from updating Louise and princess Kiara -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 7:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain? I'm still using version 12.42 or whatever the last number after 12 is. The reason why I'm not updating is because my iPhone 8 is working just fine for me. I know I'll eventually have to update, but for now, I'll keep using my phone the way it is. On 11/7/19, kelby carlson wrote: > iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I > wish I had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it > basically worked. And, because I have to download updates over public > wi-fi since I don't have it at home, getting whatever the non-buggy > version is will take forever. It's clear that Apple is moving away > from accessibility as a major concern and into other areas. I hope > other phones become more accessible so there are better choices eventually. > >> On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White wrote: >> >> Hi, I agree. >> >> First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat >> and I get stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it. >> It doesn’t matter what the app is that sends the notification. It >> repeats and repeats until I can flick away from it. >> >> The other is a new issue. My default voice is Alex. But when I >> perform a triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into >> settings and go back to Alex. >> >> And, of course, there is the mailbox. But Apple supposedly knows >> about this. The focus issues really aren’t fix. Maybe slightly >> better. But it is definitely buggy still. >> >> Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper. Of course, >> you have to had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:20 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone >>> wrote: >>> >>> hi, I have updated to iOS 13.2. This certainly is somewhat better >>> than earlier versions of iOS 13, but it seems to me that there are >>> still lots of problems with it. Do others agree? I haven’t been on >>> the list much recently due to a heavy work load, so please forgive >>> if this has been well covered. >>> Best, Keith >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V >>> iPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>> itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara >>> at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/28fddd%24cnbr09%40ironport10.mayo.edu. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V >> iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara >> at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> G
RE: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?
Saying Apple is moving away from accessibility is complete nonsense. First of all, iOS 12 even it's earlier versions were better than iOS 11 ever was so I am not sure why iOS 11 seems to hold such a mystical value for you. Second, iOS 13.2 still has a few bugs, but overall they are more minor annoyances for most users, e.g. the fact when you delete emails focus goes up to the back button etc. Yes, I know there are some more issues around braille and hearing aids, but as I said, I mean for "most:" users. The problem with Voiceover going away after a phone call is gone, third party keyboards again work correctly and all in all iOS 13.2 is stabile, battery usage is good and it's snappy and responsive. The addition of Voice Control which probably benefits users with motor impairments more currently than users who also need Voiceover to me indicates that Apple's commitment to accessibility is far form dead or even slowing down. Lastly, every year when a new version of iOS comes out there are initial bugs, some worse than others and every year for the last 10 years which is how long I have been using Voiceover (basically since it's first debut) I read messages like yours where somebody says the new iOS is complete garbage and Apple is not committed to accessibility any longer so it's nothing new, but it's getting old. Accessibility is not going away any more, it's far too prominent of a topic now with most major companies be it Apple, Microsoft, Google, Amazon or others being fairly majorly invested in it as well as in its continued development and improvement. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of kelby carlson Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 5:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain? iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish I had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it basically worked. And, because I have to download updates over public wi-fi since I don't have it at home, getting whatever the non-buggy version is will take forever. It's clear that Apple is moving away from accessibility as a major concern and into other areas. I hope other phones become more accessible so there are better choices eventually. > On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White wrote: > > Hi, I agree. > > First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I get > stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it. It doesn’t matter > what the app is that sends the notification. It repeats and repeats until I > can flick away from it. > > The other is a new issue. My default voice is Alex. But when I perform a > triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go > back to Alex. > > And, of course, there is the mailbox. But Apple supposedly knows about this. > The focus issues really aren’t fix. Maybe slightly better. But it is > definitely buggy still. > > Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper. Of course, you have > to had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:20 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone >> wrote: >> >> hi, I have updated to iOS 13.2. This certainly is somewhat better than >> earlier versions of iOS 13, but it seems to me that there are still lots of >> problems with it. Do others agree? I haven’t been on the list much recently >> due to a heavy work load, so please forgive if this has been well covered. >> Best, Keith >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/28fddd%24cnbr09%40ironport10.mayo.edu. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list,
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Hi Josh: I feel the same way. I have heard too many complaints and lots of problems related to the latest update and voice over, so am sticking with the earlier version for now. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/A0CD883FB3E24A47895A553B4BCAE968%40HollyPC.
Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?
Email accessibil...@apple.com with your issue as well as iOS version and iPhone model. Feliciano For tech tips and updates: LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs > On Nov 7, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Lynn White wrote: > > Where do you send the report? I’ll gladly do that. Thanks. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 7, 2019, at 10:00 AM, Feliciano Godoy >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> please report the notification bug to Apple. I have reported it, Apple‘s >> response was that they have not received any reports on this.Hi, please >> report the notification bug to Apple. I have reported it, Apple’s response >> was that they have not received any reports on this. >> >> Feliciano >> For tech tips and updates: >> LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v >> Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v >> Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v >> those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones >> who do. -Steve Jobs >> On Nov 6, 2019, at 7:00 PM, Lynn White wrote: >>> >>> Hi, I agree. >>> >>> First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I >>> get stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it. It doesn’t >>> matter what the app is that sends the notification. It repeats and repeats >>> until I can flick away from it. >>> >>> The other is a new issue. My default voice is Alex. But when I perform a >>> triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go >>> back to Alex. >>> >>> And, of course, there is the mailbox. But Apple supposedly knows about >>> this. The focus issues really aren’t fix. Maybe slightly better. But it >>> is definitely buggy still. >>> >>> Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper. Of course, you >>> have to had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> > On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:20 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone > wrote: hi, I have updated to iOS 13.2. This certainly is somewhat better than earlier versions of iOS 13, but it seems to me that there are still lots of problems with it. Do others agree? I haven’t been on the list much recently due to a heavy work load, so please forgive if this has been well covered. Best, Keith -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/28fddd%24cnbr09%40ironport10.mayo.edu. >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5339D393-BCEB-4119-A15A-CE39097AD258%40gmail.com. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?
Where do you send the report? I’ll gladly do that. Thanks. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 7, 2019, at 10:00 AM, Feliciano Godoy > wrote: > > Hi, > please report the notification bug to Apple. I have reported it, Apple‘s > response was that they have not received any reports on this.Hi, please > report the notification bug to Apple. I have reported it, Apple’s response > was that they have not received any reports on this. > > Feliciano > For tech tips and updates: > LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v > Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v > Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v > those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones > who do. -Steve Jobs > >> On Nov 6, 2019, at 7:00 PM, Lynn White wrote: >> >> Hi, I agree. >> >> First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I >> get stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it. It doesn’t >> matter what the app is that sends the notification. It repeats and repeats >> until I can flick away from it. >> >> The other is a new issue. My default voice is Alex. But when I perform a >> triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go >> back to Alex. >> >> And, of course, there is the mailbox. But Apple supposedly knows about >> this. The focus issues really aren’t fix. Maybe slightly better. But it >> is definitely buggy still. >> >> Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper. Of course, you have >> to had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:20 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone wrote: >>> >>> hi, I have updated to iOS 13.2. This certainly is somewhat better than >>> earlier versions of iOS 13, but it seems to me that there are still lots of >>> problems with it. Do others agree? I haven’t been on the list much recently >>> due to a heavy work load, so please forgive if this has been well covered. >>> Best, Keith >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/28fddd%24cnbr09%40ironport10.mayo.edu. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5339D393-BCEB-4119-A15A-CE39097AD258%40gmail.com. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/BYAPR07MB5672B2D61EC6A66DECCAB63DCC780%40BYAPR07MB5672.namprd07.prod.outlook.com. --
Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?
Hi Joshua. It was 12.4.1, and i am staying there too. Until things are looking better. Dave. -Original Message- From: Joshua Hendrickson Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2019 3:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain? I'm still using version 12.42 or whatever the last number after 12 is. The reason why I'm not updating is because my iPhone 8 is working just fine for me. I know I'll eventually have to update, but for now, I'll keep using my phone the way it is. On 11/7/19, kelby carlson wrote: iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish I had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it basically worked. And, because I have to download updates over public wi-fi since I don't have it at home, getting whatever the non-buggy version is will take forever. It's clear that Apple is moving away from accessibility as a major concern and into other areas. I hope other phones become more accessible so there are better choices eventually. On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White wrote: Hi, I agree. First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I get stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it. It doesn’t matter what the app is that sends the notification. It repeats and repeats until I can flick away from it. The other is a new issue. My default voice is Alex. But when I perform a triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go back to Alex. And, of course, there is the mailbox. But Apple supposedly knows about this. The focus issues really aren’t fix. Maybe slightly better. But it is definitely buggy still. Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper. Of course, you have to had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:20 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone wrote: hi, I have updated to iOS 13.2. This certainly is somewhat better than earlier versions of iOS 13, but it seems to me that there are still lots of problems with it. Do others agree? I haven’t been on the list much recently due to a heavy work load, so please forgive if this has been well covered. Best, Keith -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/28fddd%24cnbr09%40ironport10.mayo.edu. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5339D393-BCEB-4119-A15A-CE39097AD258%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/FE9E61D9-83D0-410C
Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?
Hi, please report the notification bug to Apple. I have reported it, Apple‘s response was that they have not received any reports on this.Hi, please report the notification bug to Apple. I have reported it, Apple’s response was that they have not received any reports on this. Feliciano For tech tips and updates: LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs > On Nov 6, 2019, at 7:00 PM, Lynn White wrote: > > Hi, I agree. > > First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I get > stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it. It doesn’t matter > what the app is that sends the notification. It repeats and repeats until I > can flick away from it. > > The other is a new issue. My default voice is Alex. But when I perform a > triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go > back to Alex. > > And, of course, there is the mailbox. But Apple supposedly knows about this. > The focus issues really aren’t fix. Maybe slightly better. But it is > definitely buggy still. > > Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper. Of course, you have > to had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:20 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone >> wrote: >> >> hi, I have updated to iOS 13.2. This certainly is somewhat better than >> earlier versions of iOS 13, but it seems to me that there are still lots of >> problems with it. Do others agree? I haven’t been on the list much recently >> due to a heavy work load, so please forgive if this has been well covered. >> Best, Keith >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/28fddd%24cnbr09%40ironport10.mayo.edu. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5339D393-BCEB-4119-A15A-CE39097AD258%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/BYAPR07MB5672B2D61EC6A66DECCAB63DCC780%40BYAPR07MB5672.namprd07.prod.outlook.com.
Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?
I'm still using version 12.42 or whatever the last number after 12 is. The reason why I'm not updating is because my iPhone 8 is working just fine for me. I know I'll eventually have to update, but for now, I'll keep using my phone the way it is. On 11/7/19, kelby carlson wrote: > iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish I > had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it basically > worked. And, because I have to download updates over public wi-fi since I > don't have it at home, getting whatever the non-buggy version is will take > forever. It's clear that Apple is moving away from accessibility as a major > concern and into other areas. I hope other phones become more accessible so > there are better choices eventually. > >> On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White wrote: >> >> Hi, I agree. >> >> First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I >> get stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it. It doesn’t >> matter what the app is that sends the notification. It repeats and >> repeats until I can flick away from it. >> >> The other is a new issue. My default voice is Alex. But when I perform a >> triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go >> back to Alex. >> >> And, of course, there is the mailbox. But Apple supposedly knows about >> this. The focus issues really aren’t fix. Maybe slightly better. But it >> is definitely buggy still. >> >> Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper. Of course, you >> have to had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:20 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone >>> wrote: >>> >>> hi, I have updated to iOS 13.2. This certainly is somewhat better than >>> earlier versions of iOS 13, but it seems to me that there are still lots >>> of problems with it. Do others agree? I haven’t been on the list much >>> recently due to a heavy work load, so please forgive if this has been >>> well covered. >>> Best, Keith >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>> list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/28fddd%24cnbr09%40ironport10.mayo.edu. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >> list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5339D393-BCEB-4119-A15A-CE39097AD258%40gmail.com. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/FE9E61D9-83D0-410C-9B8C-9EBAC3E47AF3%40gmail.com. >
Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?
iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish I had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it basically worked. And, because I have to download updates over public wi-fi since I don't have it at home, getting whatever the non-buggy version is will take forever. It's clear that Apple is moving away from accessibility as a major concern and into other areas. I hope other phones become more accessible so there are better choices eventually. > On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White wrote: > > Hi, I agree. > > First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I get > stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it. It doesn’t matter > what the app is that sends the notification. It repeats and repeats until I > can flick away from it. > > The other is a new issue. My default voice is Alex. But when I perform a > triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go > back to Alex. > > And, of course, there is the mailbox. But Apple supposedly knows about this. > The focus issues really aren’t fix. Maybe slightly better. But it is > definitely buggy still. > > Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper. Of course, you have > to had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:20 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone >> wrote: >> >> hi, I have updated to iOS 13.2. This certainly is somewhat better than >> earlier versions of iOS 13, but it seems to me that there are still lots of >> problems with it. Do others agree? I haven’t been on the list much recently >> due to a heavy work load, so please forgive if this has been well covered. >> Best, Keith >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/28fddd%24cnbr09%40ironport10.mayo.edu. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5339D393-BCEB-4119-A15A-CE39097AD258%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/FE9E61D9-83D0-410C-9B8C-9EBAC3E47AF3%40gmail.com.
Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?
Hi, I agree. First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I get stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it. It doesn’t matter what the app is that sends the notification. It repeats and repeats until I can flick away from it. The other is a new issue. My default voice is Alex. But when I perform a triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go back to Alex. And, of course, there is the mailbox. But Apple supposedly knows about this. The focus issues really aren’t fix. Maybe slightly better. But it is definitely buggy still. Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper. Of course, you have to had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:20 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone > wrote: > > hi, I have updated to iOS 13.2. This certainly is somewhat better than > earlier versions of iOS 13, but it seems to me that there are still lots of > problems with it. Do others agree? I haven’t been on the list much recently > due to a heavy work load, so please forgive if this has been well covered. > Best, Keith > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/28fddd%24cnbr09%40ironport10.mayo.edu. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5339D393-BCEB-4119-A15A-CE39097AD258%40gmail.com.
