RE: Headphones & Home Button Questions

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes, but I didn’t mention it because it’s a sort of sub option of using a 
splitter and you can always use the splitter which has 2 Lightning ports since 
any new phone comes with Lightning Earpods and then get a 3.5mm to Lightning 
adapter which would allow you to use any 3.5mm headset with the splitter.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of J.Cyr
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Headphones & Home Button Questions

Actually there is a fourth option, you can buy a converter that plugs into the 
lightening port and lets you plug in standard ear phones.  As it happens I'm 
placing an order for one today.

Joy
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Re: Headphones & Home Button Questions

[J.Cyr]

Actually there is a fourth option, you can buy a converter that plugs into the 
lightening port and lets you plug in standard ear phones.  As it happens I'm 
placing an order for one today.

Joy

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RE: Headphones & Home Button Questions

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Sherry,

The iPhone 5S came with what Apple calls Earpods and this has not changed, the 
only change is that on the iPhone 7 and newer the Earpods don't have a 3.5mm 
headphone jack any more, they have a Lightning plug just like a charging cable 
and plug into the Lightning port.
All iPhones support Bluetooth and will continue to do so.
If you want to listen with a headset at the same time you want to charge your 
iPhone on one of the newer models you have 3 options (by newer model I mean 
iPhone 8 and newer since the iPhone 7 does not support wireless charging):
1. Buy a wireless charging pad, this allows you to put your phone on the pad 
and charge it at the same time as having a wired headset plugged into the 
Lightning port
2. Buy a splitter like the Belkin Rockstar. This is a small adapter which plugs 
into your Lightning port, but on the other end it has 2 Lightning ports, one to 
plug in your charging cable and the other to plug in a headset
3. Use a Bluetooth headset. This allows you to charge either on a charging pad 
or with a Lightning cable plugged in and listen on the Bluetooth headset.

Whatever Bluetooth headset or earpiece should work just fine with any of the 
new iPhones. If you still want a home button then the iPhone 8 is what you want 
(or the 8 Plus if you want a large phone). Most women I know don't like the 
phones to be too big and coming from a 5S going to an 8 Plus may feel like your 
new iPhone could double as a snowboard.
The iPhone 8 still has a home button but just as with the iPhone 7 it's now a 
"virtual" home button. This means it's actually not a mechanical button at all 
but simply a small concavity in the glass which makes it feel almost like a 
traditional home button, but when you press it, it will give you haptic 
feedback which feels almost like you have depressed a real button. You still 
double press on it to bring up the app switcher, triple press it for Voiceover 
or press and hold to bring up SIRI.

Best regards,
Sieghard

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sherrywells1...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 6:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Headphones & Home Button Questions

Hello list,

I still have a 5S but was planning to get a new phone after the announcement in 
September.  I really like the 5S due to its size.  I also like the home button 
& being able to use headphones of my choice.  I have a couple questions about 
getting a new phone.
- for the phones that require Apple earbuds - do these go into your ears?  I 
have hearing aids so would not be able to use them if this is the case.  Can 
you still use blue tooth headphones on these phones or are the Apple earbuds 
the only choice?
- for phones that don't have a home button, how do you quickly connect with 
Siri?  I know this has been covered but I don't remember how it works.

Thanks,
Sherry Wells

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RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Robin,

First of all, let’s just wait and see, I highly doubt Apple will totally drop 
Touch Id even if they have face recognition figured out. We’ll know next 
Tuesday.
As for how a blind person should do this, well, as Alex says, it’s not that 
difficult to point your phone towards your face from a foot or 2 away.
I would say it’s probably a lot easier than to make sure all 4 edges of  a page 
are visible when you want to perform OCR on a document and while KNFB Reader 
provides feedback, even that is not too hard with a bit of practice without 
voice guidance.
Apart from that, reports say that it will even work with the phone lying on a 
table pointing straight up and you sitting on a chair in front of the table, 
let’s not forget that cameras do see more than what is straight in front of 
them.
If you follow the rumours you find out that they are such that Apple is using a 
special type of camera which can distinguish between a live face and a photo, I 
think they are talking about infrared or something like that which obviously 
would then probably sense body heat and more. Rumours also are that using face 
recognition as Apple has implemented it will be much more secure than Touch Id 
and even faster.
One thing I wonder of course is how Apple might prevent a couple of guys 
grabbing somebody, taking their phone away from them and simply pointing it to 
their face which would then unlock it. Of course if any sort of violence or 
force was used it would also be possible to unlock with Touch Id even against 
somebody’s consent, if you were twisting and moving your hand so it wouldn’t 
read all the offenders would have to do is whack you on the head and knock you 
out, then they can use your fingers all they want and when it comes right down 
to it I bet most people would happily provide their unlock code if any pain was 
inflicted.
Apparently Apple is building one safeguard into iOS 11 and that is that if you 
press the home button (or maybe the power button if there is no more home 
button) I think 5 times quickly Touch Id and Face Recognition will be disabled 
and you will be required to enter your passcode. This of course can be done in 
about 2 seconds or so and it definitely is some protection if you think you are 
in any immediate danger to have your phone taken away.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
alex.st...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 11:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

Have you ever tried? It’s not that hard.

Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>


On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 6:21 PM +0100, "Robin" 
<robin-mel...@comcast.net<mailto:robin-mel...@comcast.net>> wrote:

In MyHumble Opinion, the ONLY alternative  is to make The Device

respond to a Specific Person's Voice & Only their Voice because

Facial Recognition may Not be Secure in Terms of Privacy

Just Sayin

At 09:06 PM 9/6/2017, you wrote:

>they would really drop the ball in the area of accessibility if they

>did not which brings me to face recognition. they plan to make that

>accessible how?

>

>-Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel

>Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 00:01

>To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

>Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest

>change - CNET

>

>I have little doubt that if there is no more physical home button

>that Apple will make the alternative virtual home button fully accessible.

>

>

>-Original Message-

>From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On

>Behalf Of M. Taylor

>Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:49 PM

>To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

>Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest

>change - CNET

>

>Hello Larry,

>

>Many of Androids most popular devices, for many, many years, have

>not used a physical Home button.  Instead, they use soft, or

>on-screen) navigation buttons located on the bottom row of the

>display.  Unlike the S8 series, however, these navigation buttons

>were always available.  This is to say, they did not scroll off the display.

>

>Until the S 8 series, Samsung was the only major brand that used a

>physical Home button on all of its Android devices.

>

>None of my Android phones, with the exception of the S 6, have

>physical Home buttons; so I am no stranger to the

>technology.  However, I strongly believe that because of its

>physical Home button, I tended to gravitate towards my S 6 more than

>the others.

>

>Anyway, in the case of the new s 8 series, there is a soft home

>button located in the cent

RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

[Mr. Ed]

Hi,
Why don't all of us just wait and see what exactly Apple does instead of going 
through all this guessing and worrying.
Mr. Ed
-Original Message-
From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 1:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

as we are dealing with the face I thought the process would be somewhat less 
than strait forward.

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 00:15
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

How is it not accessible if all you have to do is look into the front camera?


-Original Message-
From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 9:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - 
CNET

they would really drop the ball in the area of accessibility if they did not 
which brings me to face recognition. they plan to make that accessible how?

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 00:01
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - 
CNET

I have little doubt that if there is no more physical home button that Apple 
will make the alternative virtual home button fully accessible.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change -
CNET

Hello Larry,

Many of Androids most popular devices, for many, many years, have not used a
physical Home button.  Instead, they use soft, or on-screen) navigation
buttons located on the bottom row of the display.  Unlike the S8 series,
however, these navigation buttons were always available.  This is to say,
they did not scroll off the display.

Until the S 8 series, Samsung was the only major brand that used a physical
Home button on all of its Android devices.

None of my Android phones, with the exception of the S 6, have physical Home
buttons; so I am no stranger to the technology.  However, I strongly believe
that because of its physical Home button, I tended to gravitate towards my S
6 more than the others.

Anyway, in the case of the new s 8 series, there is a soft home button
located in the center bottom row of the display.
With the S 8, unfortunately, the Home button can scroll off the screen.
This is kind of a pain, to say the least--especially when one wishes to
quickly return to his/her starting point.

Apple tends to implement new technology with more flare and feasibility than
its competition.  Let's hope it continues that standard.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 3:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change -
CNET

If apple removes the physical home button, how will the blind access it?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

Hello Everyone,

I hope you find the following article interesting.

As for me, I can tell you that I definitely miss a physical Home button,
with integrated Touch ID, on the Samsung Galaxy S 8, so much so, that I have
reverted back to my Galaxy S 6.

If Apple does remove a bezel-based Home button, I  certainly hope that it
comes up with a better design solution than Samsung.

Mark

CNET News - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:14 PM Goodbye, home button?
Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

What will life be like without one of these? Maybe we already know the
answer.
Sarah Tew/CNET
When Apple unveils its new high-end iPhone on Sept. 12, it's widely expected
to do away with the most iconic part of its handset: the home button. If the
rumors are true, the all-screen design of the so-called iPhone 8 means no
room for a bottom bezel, and thus no room for a physical home button (and
its Touch ID fingerprint sensor). It will be the biggest design change to
hit the iPhone in its 10-plus year history -- a radical change to the most
basic usage element that has existed on the phone since day one.

A glyph that appears in the HomePod firmware could be the rumored iPhone 8.
MacRumors
Or maybe it won't be that shocking a change at all.
In fact, Apple has been nudging millions of iPhone owners with changes to
homescreen navigation for the past several years. There are already pieces
in place to suggest

Re: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

['Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone]

as we are dealing with the face I thought the process would be somewhat less 
than strait forward.


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 00:15
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - 
CNET


How is it not accessible if all you have to do is look into the front 
camera?



-Original Message-
From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 9:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - 
CNET


they would really drop the ball in the area of accessibility if they did not 
which brings me to face recognition. they plan to make that accessible how?


-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 00:01
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - 
CNET


I have little doubt that if there is no more physical home button that Apple 
will make the alternative virtual home button fully accessible.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change -
CNET

Hello Larry,

Many of Androids most popular devices, for many, many years, have not used a
physical Home button.  Instead, they use soft, or on-screen) navigation
buttons located on the bottom row of the display.  Unlike the S8 series,
however, these navigation buttons were always available.  This is to say,
they did not scroll off the display.

Until the S 8 series, Samsung was the only major brand that used a physical
Home button on all of its Android devices.

None of my Android phones, with the exception of the S 6, have physical Home
buttons; so I am no stranger to the technology.  However, I strongly believe
that because of its physical Home button, I tended to gravitate towards my S
6 more than the others.

Anyway, in the case of the new s 8 series, there is a soft home button
located in the center bottom row of the display.
With the S 8, unfortunately, the Home button can scroll off the screen.
This is kind of a pain, to say the least--especially when one wishes to
quickly return to his/her starting point.

Apple tends to implement new technology with more flare and feasibility than
its competition.  Let's hope it continues that standard.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 3:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change -
CNET

If apple removes the physical home button, how will the blind access it?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

Hello Everyone,

I hope you find the following article interesting.

As for me, I can tell you that I definitely miss a physical Home button,
with integrated Touch ID, on the Samsung Galaxy S 8, so much so, that I have
reverted back to my Galaxy S 6.

If Apple does remove a bezel-based Home button, I  certainly hope that it
comes up with a better design solution than Samsung.

Mark

CNET News - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:14 PM Goodbye, home button?
Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

What will life be like without one of these? Maybe we already know the
answer.
Sarah Tew/CNET
When Apple unveils its new high-end iPhone on Sept. 12, it's widely expected
to do away with the most iconic part of its handset: the home button. If the
rumors are true, the all-screen design of the so-called iPhone 8 means no
room for a bottom bezel, and thus no room for a physical home button (and
its Touch ID fingerprint sensor). It will be the biggest design change to
hit the iPhone in its 10-plus year history -- a radical change to the most
basic usage element that has existed on the phone since day one.

A glyph that appears in the HomePod firmware could be the rumored iPhone 8.
MacRumors
Or maybe it won't be that shocking a change at all.
In fact, Apple has been nudging millions of iPhone owners with changes to
homescreen navigation for the past several years. There are already pieces
in place to suggest the transition may not be as wild and weird as you might
expect. Android phones have already done it, and the iPhone can do it too.
The current iPhone's no-click home button could be training wheels for how
the iPhone 8 will work Here's the funny thing: The iPhone's home button is
already gone. Instead of a physical button, 2016's iPhone 7 and 7 Plus
featured a solid-state

Re: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

[alex . stone]

Have you ever tried? It’s not that hard.



Get Outlook for iOS





On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 6:21 PM +0100, "Robin" <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:










In MyHumble Opinion, the ONLY alternative  is to make The Device 
respond to a Specific Person's Voice & Only their Voice because 
Facial Recognition may Not be Secure in Terms of Privacy
Just Sayin
At 09:06 PM 9/6/2017, you wrote:
>they would really drop the ball in the area of accessibility if they 
>did not which brings me to face recognition. they plan to make that 
>accessible how?
>
>-Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
>Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 00:01
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest 
>change - CNET
>
>I have little doubt that if there is no more physical home button 
>that Apple will make the alternative virtual home button fully accessible.
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>Behalf Of M. Taylor
>Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:49 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest 
>change - CNET
>
>Hello Larry,
>
>Many of Androids most popular devices, for many, many years, have 
>not used a physical Home button.  Instead, they use soft, or 
>on-screen) navigation buttons located on the bottom row of the 
>display.  Unlike the S8 series, however, these navigation buttons 
>were always available.  This is to say, they did not scroll off the display.
>
>Until the S 8 series, Samsung was the only major brand that used a 
>physical Home button on all of its Android devices.
>
>None of my Android phones, with the exception of the S 6, have 
>physical Home buttons; so I am no stranger to the 
>technology.  However, I strongly believe that because of its 
>physical Home button, I tended to gravitate towards my S 6 more than 
>the others.
>
>Anyway, in the case of the new s 8 series, there is a soft home 
>button located in the center bottom row of the display.
>With the S 8, unfortunately, the Home button can scroll off the 
>screen. This is kind of a pain, to say the least--especially when 
>one wishes to quickly return to his/her starting point.
>
>Apple tends to implement new technology with more flare and 
>feasibility than its competition.  Let's hope it continues that standard.
>
>Mark
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
>Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 3:32 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest 
>change - CNET
>
>If apple removes the physical home button, how will the blind access it?
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>Behalf Of M. Taylor
>Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:26 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET
>
>Hello Everyone,
>
>I hope you find the following article interesting.
>
>As for me, I can tell you that I definitely miss a physical Home 
>button, with integrated Touch ID, on the Samsung Galaxy S 8, so much 
>so, that I have reverted back to my Galaxy S 6.
>
>If Apple does remove a bezel-based Home button, I  certainly hope 
>that it comes up with a better design solution than Samsung.
>
>Mark
>
>CNET News - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:14 PM Goodbye, home 
>button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET
>
>What will life be like without one of these? Maybe we already know the answer.
>Sarah Tew/CNET
>When Apple unveils its new high-end iPhone on Sept. 12, it's widely 
>expected to do away with the most iconic part of its handset: the 
>home button. If the rumors are true, the all-screen design of the 
>so-called iPhone 8 means no room for a bottom bezel, and thus no 
>room for a physical home button (and its Touch ID fingerprint 
>sensor). It will be the biggest design change to hit the iPhone in 
>its 10-plus year history -- a radical change to the most basic usage 
>element that has existed on the phone since day one.
>
>A glyph that appears in the HomePod firmware could be the rumored iPhone 8.
>MacRumors
>Or maybe it won't be that shocking a change at all.
>In fact, Apple has been nudging millions of iPhone owners with 
>changes to homescreen navigation for the past several years. There 
>are already pieces in place to suggest the transition may not be as 
>wild a

Re: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

[Anthony Vece]

Apple hasn't let us down before. And, I don't think they'll let us down this 
time either.


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 7!!!

> On Sep 6, 2017, at 6:25 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I hope you find the following article interesting.
> 
> As for me, I can tell you that I definitely miss a physical Home button,
> with integrated Touch ID, on the Samsung Galaxy S 8, so much so, that I have
> reverted back to my Galaxy S 6.  
> 
> If Apple does remove a bezel-based Home button, I  certainly hope that it
> comes up with a better design solution than Samsung.
> 
> Mark
> 
> CNET News - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:14 PM
> Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET
> 
> What will life be like without one of these? Maybe we already know the
> answer.
> Sarah Tew/CNET 
> When Apple unveils its new high-end iPhone on Sept. 12, it's widely expected
> to do away with the most iconic part of its handset: the home button. If the
> rumors are true, the all-screen design of the so-called iPhone 8 means no
> room for a bottom bezel, and thus no room for a physical home button (and
> its Touch ID fingerprint sensor). It will be the biggest design change to
> hit the iPhone in its 10-plus year history -- a radical change to the most
> basic usage element that has existed on the phone since day one.
> 
> A glyph that appears in the HomePod firmware could be the rumored iPhone 8.
> MacRumors 
> Or maybe it won't be that shocking a change at all. 
> In fact, Apple has been nudging millions of iPhone owners with changes to
> homescreen navigation for the past several years. There are already pieces
> in place to suggest the transition may not be as wild and weird as you might
> expect. Android phones have already done it, and the iPhone can do it too.
> The current iPhone's no-click home button could be training wheels for how
> the iPhone 8 will work
> Here's the funny thing: The iPhone's home button is already gone. Instead of
> a physical button, 2016's iPhone 7 and 7 Plus featured a solid-state panel
> that used subtle vibration to simulate a button press. It initially drew
> mixed opinions: some felt the click was weird; others liked the haptic
> thump. But the point is, I got used to it, and most people I know did, too.
> It feels a bit like a real button, but it's not. And maybe that's how the
> iPhone 8 display will work, too.
> Enhanced vibration (called "Taptic Engine") give the iPhone and Apple Watch
> their taps and thumps, and it already does a few things on the iPhone 6S and
> later models to feel tactile in iOS 10 (scroll wheels in settings, or
> pressing in on app icons). Pressing in on a part of the screen will probably
> feel the same as pressing in on the solid-state home button does now. The
> bigger problem, of course, becomes how to relocate that Touch ID fingerprint
> sensor -- or come up with a replacement. (More on that below.)
> Control Center is an app launcher away from being the home button
> replacement
> iPhones currently stick four apps at the bottom of the home screen, locking
> them in place as you swipe to additional pages: useful, but inefficient.
> Swiping up for the Control Center usually accomplishes more, getting to
> settings and even some app shortcuts fast. Control Center is getting
> expanded in iOS 11, where it now offers a single page of user-configurable
> widgets and switches. But if that same updated Control Center page had a
> mini dock at the bottom for those same apps -- and/or a virtual home button
> -- it would basically be a one-stop shortcut. The problem with exiling the
> home button to the dock, though, is that it turns a single action --
> pressing the handy home button that we have now -- into a two-step process:
> swiping first and then clicking the screen. 
> 3D Touch could be better utilized for home screen shortcuts
> It still feels like the variable pressure-sensitive 3D Touch technology that
> iPhones 6S and later use is way underutilized, to the point where it feels
> unnecessary. But what if pressing down on the home screen opened up
> sublayers, or app folders beneath? Maybe pressing down on the bottom of the
> screen could launch back to the home area, or Control Center. 3D Touch is
> there, and it's theoretically versatile... now Apple just needs to put it to
> better use.
> 
> One-screen access to everything: is this is the post-home-button home
> screen?
> Sarah Tew/CNET 
> iOS 11 on the iPad could be a preview of a no-home button iPhone
> The iPad has already started exploring new ways of navigation in iOS 11.
> (The beta has been out since June, and the final version will likely be
> available in mid-September.) The app dock adds a lot of favorite apps for
> quick shortcuts, making better use of the iPad's additional screen real
> estate. It's not a massive change, but it's better than what it was in iOS
> 10, and better than the Touch Bar on recent MacBook Pros. The swipe-up app
> dock 

RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

[Robin]

Because Explain How a Totally & Completely Blind person can Perform 
the Task  of Aiming the Camera  at Their Face without Guidance (i.e., 
Verbal Prompts)

Plus
How is this Facial Recognition software supposed to Distinguish 
between An Actual Face as opposed to a Picture  of that Person's Face


Note:
Privacy & Security Concerns

Just Sayin
At 09:15 PM 9/6/2017, you wrote:

How is it not accessible if all you have to do is look into the front camera?


-Original Message-
From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 9:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest 
change - CNET


they would really drop the ball in the area of accessibility if they 
did not which brings me to face recognition. they plan to make that 
accessible how?


-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 00:01
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest 
change - CNET


I have little doubt that if there is no more physical home button 
that Apple will make the alternative virtual home button fully accessible.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change -
CNET

Hello Larry,

Many of Androids most popular devices, for many, many years, have not used a
physical Home button.  Instead, they use soft, or on-screen) navigation
buttons located on the bottom row of the display.  Unlike the S8 series,
however, these navigation buttons were always available.  This is to say,
they did not scroll off the display.

Until the S 8 series, Samsung was the only major brand that used a physical
Home button on all of its Android devices.

None of my Android phones, with the exception of the S 6, have physical Home
buttons; so I am no stranger to the technology.  However, I strongly believe
that because of its physical Home button, I tended to gravitate towards my S
6 more than the others.

Anyway, in the case of the new s 8 series, there is a soft home button
located in the center bottom row of the display.
With the S 8, unfortunately, the Home button can scroll off the screen.
This is kind of a pain, to say the least--especially when one wishes to
quickly return to his/her starting point.

Apple tends to implement new technology with more flare and feasibility than
its competition.  Let's hope it continues that standard.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 3:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change -
CNET

If apple removes the physical home button, how will the blind access it?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

Hello Everyone,

I hope you find the following article interesting.

As for me, I can tell you that I definitely miss a physical Home button,
with integrated Touch ID, on the Samsung Galaxy S 8, so much so, that I have
reverted back to my Galaxy S 6.

If Apple does remove a bezel-based Home button, I  certainly hope that it
comes up with a better design solution than Samsung.

Mark

CNET News - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:14 PM Goodbye, home button?
Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

What will life be like without one of these? Maybe we already know the
answer.
Sarah Tew/CNET
When Apple unveils its new high-end iPhone on Sept. 12, it's widely expected
to do away with the most iconic part of its handset: the home button. If the
rumors are true, the all-screen design of the so-called iPhone 8 means no
room for a bottom bezel, and thus no room for a physical home button (and
its Touch ID fingerprint sensor). It will be the biggest design change to
hit the iPhone in its 10-plus year history -- a radical change to the most
basic usage element that has existed on the phone since day one.

A glyph that appears in the HomePod firmware could be the rumored iPhone 8.
MacRumors
Or maybe it won't be that shocking a change at all.
In fact, Apple has been nudging millions of iPhone owners with changes to
homescreen navigation for the past several years. There are already pieces
in place to suggest the transition may not be as wild and weird as you might
expect. Android phones have already done it, and the iPhone can do it too.
The current iPhone's no-click home button could be training wheels for how
the iPhone 8 will work Here's the funny thing: The iPhone's home button is
already gone.

Re: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

[Robin]

In MyHumble Opinion, the ONLY alternative  is to make The Device 
respond to a Specific Person's Voice & Only their Voice because 
Facial Recognition may Not be Secure in Terms of Privacy

Just Sayin
At 09:06 PM 9/6/2017, you wrote:
they would really drop the ball in the area of accessibility if they 
did not which brings me to face recognition. they plan to make that 
accessible how?


-Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 00:01
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest 
change - CNET


I have little doubt that if there is no more physical home button 
that Apple will make the alternative virtual home button fully accessible.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of M. Taylor

Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest 
change - CNET


Hello Larry,

Many of Androids most popular devices, for many, many years, have 
not used a physical Home button.  Instead, they use soft, or 
on-screen) navigation buttons located on the bottom row of the 
display.  Unlike the S8 series, however, these navigation buttons 
were always available.  This is to say, they did not scroll off the display.


Until the S 8 series, Samsung was the only major brand that used a 
physical Home button on all of its Android devices.


None of my Android phones, with the exception of the S 6, have 
physical Home buttons; so I am no stranger to the 
technology.  However, I strongly believe that because of its 
physical Home button, I tended to gravitate towards my S 6 more than 
the others.


Anyway, in the case of the new s 8 series, there is a soft home 
button located in the center bottom row of the display.
With the S 8, unfortunately, the Home button can scroll off the 
screen. This is kind of a pain, to say the least--especially when 
one wishes to quickly return to his/her starting point.


Apple tends to implement new technology with more flare and 
feasibility than its competition.  Let's hope it continues that standard.


Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin

Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 3:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest 
change - CNET


If apple removes the physical home button, how will the blind access it?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of M. Taylor

Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

Hello Everyone,

I hope you find the following article interesting.

As for me, I can tell you that I definitely miss a physical Home 
button, with integrated Touch ID, on the Samsung Galaxy S 8, so much 
so, that I have reverted back to my Galaxy S 6.


If Apple does remove a bezel-based Home button, I  certainly hope 
that it comes up with a better design solution than Samsung.


Mark

CNET News - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:14 PM Goodbye, home 
button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET


What will life be like without one of these? Maybe we already know the answer.
Sarah Tew/CNET
When Apple unveils its new high-end iPhone on Sept. 12, it's widely 
expected to do away with the most iconic part of its handset: the 
home button. If the rumors are true, the all-screen design of the 
so-called iPhone 8 means no room for a bottom bezel, and thus no 
room for a physical home button (and its Touch ID fingerprint 
sensor). It will be the biggest design change to hit the iPhone in 
its 10-plus year history -- a radical change to the most basic usage 
element that has existed on the phone since day one.


A glyph that appears in the HomePod firmware could be the rumored iPhone 8.
MacRumors
Or maybe it won't be that shocking a change at all.
In fact, Apple has been nudging millions of iPhone owners with 
changes to homescreen navigation for the past several years. There 
are already pieces in place to suggest the transition may not be as 
wild and weird as you might expect. Android phones have already done 
it, and the iPhone can do it too.
The current iPhone's no-click home button could be training wheels 
for how the iPhone 8 will work Here's the funny thing: The iPhone's 
home button is already gone. Instead of a physical button, 2016's 
iPhone 7 and 7 Plus featured a solid-state panel that used subtle 
vibration to simulate a button press. It initially drew mixed 
opinions: some felt the click was weird; others liked the haptic 
thump. But the point is, I got used to it, and most people I know did, too.
It feels a bit like a real button, but it's not. And maybe that's 
how the iPhone 8 display will work, too.
Enhanced vibra

Re: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

[Devin Prater]

3D touch, y'all. tripple press near the bottom of the screen to turn on 
Voiceover. Or, they may make the power button longer and make the lower half a 
home button.   

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 7, 2017, at 9:05 AM, lenron brown <lenro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't like the idea of touch Id going away. It's nice to be able to
> just place my finger there and my phone unlocks or I log in an app. I
> don't want to have to rely on having to point the camera at my face to
> do all that.
> 
>> On 9/7/17, Mr. Ed <pink...@abe.midco.net> wrote:
>> You have to have an accessible face for that to work. LOL
>> Mr. Ed
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 11:15 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change -
>> CNET
>> 
>> How is it not accessible if all you have to do is look into the front
>> camera?
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 9:06 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change -
>> CNET
>> 
>> they would really drop the ball in the area of accessibility if they did not
>> which brings me to face recognition. they plan to make that accessible how?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 00:01
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change -
>> CNET
>> 
>> I have little doubt that if there is no more physical home button that Apple
>> will make the alternative virtual home button fully accessible.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:49 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change -
>> CNET
>> 
>> Hello Larry,
>> 
>> Many of Androids most popular devices, for many, many years, have not used a
>> physical Home button.  Instead, they use soft, or on-screen) navigation
>> buttons located on the bottom row of the display.  Unlike the S8 series,
>> however, these navigation buttons were always available.  This is to say,
>> they did not scroll off the display.
>> 
>> Until the S 8 series, Samsung was the only major brand that used a physical
>> Home button on all of its Android devices.
>> 
>> None of my Android phones, with the exception of the S 6, have physical Home
>> buttons; so I am no stranger to the technology.  However, I strongly believe
>> that because of its physical Home button, I tended to gravitate towards my
>> S
>> 6 more than the others.
>> 
>> Anyway, in the case of the new s 8 series, there is a soft home button
>> located in the center bottom row of the display.
>> With the S 8, unfortunately, the Home button can scroll off the screen.
>> This is kind of a pain, to say the least--especially when one wishes to
>> quickly return to his/her starting point.
>> 
>> Apple tends to implement new technology with more flare and feasibility than
>> its competition.  Let's hope it continues that standard.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Larry Lumpkin
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 3:32 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change -
>> CNET
>> 
>> If apple removes the physical home button, how will the blind access it?
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:26 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> I hope you find the following article interesting.
>> 
>> As for me, I can tell you that I definitely miss a physical Home button,
>> with integrated Touch ID, on the Samsung Galaxy S 8, so much so, that I have
>> reverted back to my Galaxy S 6.
>> 
>> If Apple does remove a bezel-based Home b

Re: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

[ליאל בן סימון]

Because that VoiceOver cant read this. There is no building ocr in ios.

נשלח מה-iPhone שלי

‫ב-7 בספט׳ 2017, בשעה 16:28, ‏‏Mr. Ed ‏<pink...@abe.midco.net> כתב/ה:‬

> You have to have an accessible face for that to work. LOL
> Mr. Ed
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 11:15 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - 
> CNET
> 
> How is it not accessible if all you have to do is look into the front camera?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 9:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - 
> CNET
> 
> they would really drop the ball in the area of accessibility if they did not 
> which brings me to face recognition. they plan to make that accessible how?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 00:01
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - 
> CNET
> 
> I have little doubt that if there is no more physical home button that Apple 
> will make the alternative virtual home button fully accessible.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - 
> CNET
> 
> Hello Larry,
> 
> Many of Androids most popular devices, for many, many years, have not used a 
> physical Home button.  Instead, they use soft, or on-screen) navigation 
> buttons located on the bottom row of the display.  Unlike the S8 series, 
> however, these navigation buttons were always available.  This is to say, 
> they did not scroll off the display.
> 
> Until the S 8 series, Samsung was the only major brand that used a physical 
> Home button on all of its Android devices.
> 
> None of my Android phones, with the exception of the S 6, have physical Home 
> buttons; so I am no stranger to the technology.  However, I strongly believe 
> that because of its physical Home button, I tended to gravitate towards my S
> 6 more than the others.
> 
> Anyway, in the case of the new s 8 series, there is a soft home button 
> located in the center bottom row of the display.
> With the S 8, unfortunately, the Home button can scroll off the screen. 
> This is kind of a pain, to say the least--especially when one wishes to 
> quickly return to his/her starting point.
> 
> Apple tends to implement new technology with more flare and feasibility than 
> its competition.  Let's hope it continues that standard.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Larry Lumpkin
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 3:32 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - 
> CNET
> 
> If apple removes the physical home button, how will the blind access it?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:26 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I hope you find the following article interesting.
> 
> As for me, I can tell you that I definitely miss a physical Home button, with 
> integrated Touch ID, on the Samsung Galaxy S 8, so much so, that I have 
> reverted back to my Galaxy S 6.
> 
> If Apple does remove a bezel-based Home button, I  certainly hope that it 
> comes up with a better design solution than Samsung.
> 
> Mark
> 
> CNET News - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:14 PM Goodbye, home button? 
> Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET
> 
> What will life be like without one of these? Maybe we already know the answer.
> Sarah Tew/CNET
> When Apple unveils its new high-end iPhone on Sept. 12, it's widely expected 
> to do away with the most iconic part of its handset: the home button. If the 
> rumors are true, the all-screen design of the so-called iPhone 8 means no 
> room for a bottom bezel, and thus no room for a physical home button (and its 
> Touch ID fingerprint sensor). It will be the biggest design change to hit the 
> iPhone in its 10-plus year hi

Re: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

[lenron brown]

I don't like the idea of touch Id going away. It's nice to be able to
just place my finger there and my phone unlocks or I log in an app. I
don't want to have to rely on having to point the camera at my face to
do all that.

On 9/7/17, Mr. Ed <pink...@abe.midco.net> wrote:
> You have to have an accessible face for that to work. LOL
> Mr. Ed
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 11:15 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change -
> CNET
>
> How is it not accessible if all you have to do is look into the front
> camera?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 9:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change -
> CNET
>
> they would really drop the ball in the area of accessibility if they did not
> which brings me to face recognition. they plan to make that accessible how?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 00:01
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change -
> CNET
>
> I have little doubt that if there is no more physical home button that Apple
> will make the alternative virtual home button fully accessible.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change -
> CNET
>
> Hello Larry,
>
> Many of Androids most popular devices, for many, many years, have not used a
> physical Home button.  Instead, they use soft, or on-screen) navigation
> buttons located on the bottom row of the display.  Unlike the S8 series,
> however, these navigation buttons were always available.  This is to say,
> they did not scroll off the display.
>
> Until the S 8 series, Samsung was the only major brand that used a physical
> Home button on all of its Android devices.
>
> None of my Android phones, with the exception of the S 6, have physical Home
> buttons; so I am no stranger to the technology.  However, I strongly believe
> that because of its physical Home button, I tended to gravitate towards my
> S
> 6 more than the others.
>
> Anyway, in the case of the new s 8 series, there is a soft home button
> located in the center bottom row of the display.
> With the S 8, unfortunately, the Home button can scroll off the screen.
> This is kind of a pain, to say the least--especially when one wishes to
> quickly return to his/her starting point.
>
> Apple tends to implement new technology with more flare and feasibility than
> its competition.  Let's hope it continues that standard.
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Larry Lumpkin
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 3:32 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change -
> CNET
>
> If apple removes the physical home button, how will the blind access it?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:26 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I hope you find the following article interesting.
>
> As for me, I can tell you that I definitely miss a physical Home button,
> with integrated Touch ID, on the Samsung Galaxy S 8, so much so, that I have
> reverted back to my Galaxy S 6.
>
> If Apple does remove a bezel-based Home button, I  certainly hope that it
> comes up with a better design solution than Samsung.
>
> Mark
>
> CNET News - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:14 PM Goodbye, home button?
> Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET
>
> What will life be like without one of these? Maybe we already know the
> answer.
> Sarah Tew/CNET
> When Apple unveils its new high-end iPhone on Sept. 12, it's widely expected
> to do away with the most iconic part of its handset: the home button. If the
> rumors are true, the all-screen design of the so-called iPhone 8 means no
> room for a bottom bezel, and thus no room for a physical home button (and
> its Touch ID fingerprint sensor). It will be the 

RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

[Mr. Ed]

You have to have an accessible face for that to work. LOL
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 11:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

How is it not accessible if all you have to do is look into the front camera?


-Original Message-
From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 9:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

they would really drop the ball in the area of accessibility if they did not 
which brings me to face recognition. they plan to make that accessible how?

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 00:01
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

I have little doubt that if there is no more physical home button that Apple 
will make the alternative virtual home button fully accessible.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

Hello Larry,

Many of Androids most popular devices, for many, many years, have not used a 
physical Home button.  Instead, they use soft, or on-screen) navigation buttons 
located on the bottom row of the display.  Unlike the S8 series, however, these 
navigation buttons were always available.  This is to say, they did not scroll 
off the display.

Until the S 8 series, Samsung was the only major brand that used a physical 
Home button on all of its Android devices.

None of my Android phones, with the exception of the S 6, have physical Home 
buttons; so I am no stranger to the technology.  However, I strongly believe 
that because of its physical Home button, I tended to gravitate towards my S
6 more than the others.

Anyway, in the case of the new s 8 series, there is a soft home button located 
in the center bottom row of the display.
With the S 8, unfortunately, the Home button can scroll off the screen. 
This is kind of a pain, to say the least--especially when one wishes to quickly 
return to his/her starting point.

Apple tends to implement new technology with more flare and feasibility than 
its competition.  Let's hope it continues that standard.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 3:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

If apple removes the physical home button, how will the blind access it?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

Hello Everyone,

I hope you find the following article interesting.

As for me, I can tell you that I definitely miss a physical Home button, with 
integrated Touch ID, on the Samsung Galaxy S 8, so much so, that I have 
reverted back to my Galaxy S 6.

If Apple does remove a bezel-based Home button, I  certainly hope that it comes 
up with a better design solution than Samsung.

Mark

CNET News - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:14 PM Goodbye, home button? 
Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

What will life be like without one of these? Maybe we already know the answer.
Sarah Tew/CNET
When Apple unveils its new high-end iPhone on Sept. 12, it's widely expected to 
do away with the most iconic part of its handset: the home button. If the 
rumors are true, the all-screen design of the so-called iPhone 8 means no room 
for a bottom bezel, and thus no room for a physical home button (and its Touch 
ID fingerprint sensor). It will be the biggest design change to hit the iPhone 
in its 10-plus year history -- a radical change to the most basic usage element 
that has existed on the phone since day one.

A glyph that appears in the HomePod firmware could be the rumored iPhone 8.
MacRumors
Or maybe it won't be that shocking a change at all.
In fact, Apple has been nudging millions of iPhone owners with changes to 
homescreen navigation for the past several years. There are already pieces in 
place to suggest the transition may not be as wild and weird as you might 
expect. Android phones have already done it, and the iPhone can do it too.
The current iPhone's no-click home button could be training wheels for how the 
iPhone 8 will work Here's the funny thing: The iPhone's home button is already 
gone. Instead of a physical

RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

[Sieghard Weitzel]

How is it not accessible if all you have to do is look into the front camera?


-Original Message-
From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 9:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

they would really drop the ball in the area of accessibility if they did not 
which brings me to face recognition. they plan to make that accessible how?

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 00:01
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

I have little doubt that if there is no more physical home button that Apple 
will make the alternative virtual home button fully accessible.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - 
CNET

Hello Larry,

Many of Androids most popular devices, for many, many years, have not used a 
physical Home button.  Instead, they use soft, or on-screen) navigation 
buttons located on the bottom row of the display.  Unlike the S8 series, 
however, these navigation buttons were always available.  This is to say, 
they did not scroll off the display.

Until the S 8 series, Samsung was the only major brand that used a physical 
Home button on all of its Android devices.

None of my Android phones, with the exception of the S 6, have physical Home 
buttons; so I am no stranger to the technology.  However, I strongly believe 
that because of its physical Home button, I tended to gravitate towards my S 
6 more than the others.

Anyway, in the case of the new s 8 series, there is a soft home button 
located in the center bottom row of the display.
With the S 8, unfortunately, the Home button can scroll off the screen. 
This is kind of a pain, to say the least--especially when one wishes to 
quickly return to his/her starting point.

Apple tends to implement new technology with more flare and feasibility than 
its competition.  Let's hope it continues that standard.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 3:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - 
CNET

If apple removes the physical home button, how will the blind access it?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

Hello Everyone,

I hope you find the following article interesting.

As for me, I can tell you that I definitely miss a physical Home button, 
with integrated Touch ID, on the Samsung Galaxy S 8, so much so, that I have 
reverted back to my Galaxy S 6.

If Apple does remove a bezel-based Home button, I  certainly hope that it 
comes up with a better design solution than Samsung.

Mark

CNET News - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:14 PM Goodbye, home button? 
Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

What will life be like without one of these? Maybe we already know the 
answer.
Sarah Tew/CNET
When Apple unveils its new high-end iPhone on Sept. 12, it's widely expected 
to do away with the most iconic part of its handset: the home button. If the 
rumors are true, the all-screen design of the so-called iPhone 8 means no 
room for a bottom bezel, and thus no room for a physical home button (and 
its Touch ID fingerprint sensor). It will be the biggest design change to 
hit the iPhone in its 10-plus year history -- a radical change to the most 
basic usage element that has existed on the phone since day one.

A glyph that appears in the HomePod firmware could be the rumored iPhone 8.
MacRumors
Or maybe it won't be that shocking a change at all.
In fact, Apple has been nudging millions of iPhone owners with changes to 
homescreen navigation for the past several years. There are already pieces 
in place to suggest the transition may not be as wild and weird as you might 
expect. Android phones have already done it, and the iPhone can do it too.
The current iPhone's no-click home button could be training wheels for how 
the iPhone 8 will work Here's the funny thing: The iPhone's home button is 
already gone. Instead of a physical button, 2016's iPhone 7 and 7 Plus 
featured a solid-state panel that used subtle vibration to simulate a button 
press. It initially drew mixed opinions: some felt the click was weird; 
others liked the haptic thump. But the point is, I got used to it, and most 
people I know did, too.
It feels a bit like a real button, but it's

Re: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

['Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone]

they would really drop the ball in the area of accessibility if they did not 
which brings me to face recognition. they plan to make that accessible how?


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 00:01
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - 
CNET


I have little doubt that if there is no more physical home button that Apple 
will make the alternative virtual home button fully accessible.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of M. Taylor

Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - 
CNET


Hello Larry,

Many of Androids most popular devices, for many, many years, have not used a 
physical Home button.  Instead, they use soft, or on-screen) navigation 
buttons located on the bottom row of the display.  Unlike the S8 series, 
however, these navigation buttons were always available.  This is to say, 
they did not scroll off the display.


Until the S 8 series, Samsung was the only major brand that used a physical 
Home button on all of its Android devices.


None of my Android phones, with the exception of the S 6, have physical Home 
buttons; so I am no stranger to the technology.  However, I strongly believe 
that because of its physical Home button, I tended to gravitate towards my S 
6 more than the others.


Anyway, in the case of the new s 8 series, there is a soft home button 
located in the center bottom row of the display.
With the S 8, unfortunately, the Home button can scroll off the screen. 
This is kind of a pain, to say the least--especially when one wishes to 
quickly return to his/her starting point.


Apple tends to implement new technology with more flare and feasibility than 
its competition.  Let's hope it continues that standard.


Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Larry Lumpkin

Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 3:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - 
CNET


If apple removes the physical home button, how will the blind access it?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of M. Taylor

Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

Hello Everyone,

I hope you find the following article interesting.

As for me, I can tell you that I definitely miss a physical Home button, 
with integrated Touch ID, on the Samsung Galaxy S 8, so much so, that I have 
reverted back to my Galaxy S 6.


If Apple does remove a bezel-based Home button, I  certainly hope that it 
comes up with a better design solution than Samsung.


Mark

CNET News - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:14 PM Goodbye, home button? 
Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET


What will life be like without one of these? Maybe we already know the 
answer.

Sarah Tew/CNET
When Apple unveils its new high-end iPhone on Sept. 12, it's widely expected 
to do away with the most iconic part of its handset: the home button. If the 
rumors are true, the all-screen design of the so-called iPhone 8 means no 
room for a bottom bezel, and thus no room for a physical home button (and 
its Touch ID fingerprint sensor). It will be the biggest design change to 
hit the iPhone in its 10-plus year history -- a radical change to the most 
basic usage element that has existed on the phone since day one.


A glyph that appears in the HomePod firmware could be the rumored iPhone 8.
MacRumors
Or maybe it won't be that shocking a change at all.
In fact, Apple has been nudging millions of iPhone owners with changes to 
homescreen navigation for the past several years. There are already pieces 
in place to suggest the transition may not be as wild and weird as you might 
expect. Android phones have already done it, and the iPhone can do it too.
The current iPhone's no-click home button could be training wheels for how 
the iPhone 8 will work Here's the funny thing: The iPhone's home button is 
already gone. Instead of a physical button, 2016's iPhone 7 and 7 Plus 
featured a solid-state panel that used subtle vibration to simulate a button 
press. It initially drew mixed opinions: some felt the click was weird; 
others liked the haptic thump. But the point is, I got used to it, and most 
people I know did, too.
It feels a bit like a real button, but it's not. And maybe that's how the 
iPhone 8 display will work, too.
Enhanced vibration (called "Taptic Engine") give the iPhone and Apple Watch 
their taps and thumps, and it already does a few things on the iPhone 6S and 
later models to feel tactile in iOS 10 (scroll wheels in settings, or 
pressing in on

RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I have little doubt that if there is no more physical home button that Apple 
will make the alternative virtual home button fully accessible.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

Hello Larry,

Many of Androids most popular devices, for many, many years, have not used a 
physical Home button.  Instead, they use soft, or on-screen) navigation buttons 
located on the bottom row of the display.  Unlike the S8 series, however, these 
navigation buttons were always available.  This is to say, they did not scroll 
off the display.

Until the S 8 series, Samsung was the only major brand that used a physical 
Home button on all of its Android devices.  

None of my Android phones, with the exception of the S 6, have physical Home 
buttons; so I am no stranger to the technology.  However, I strongly believe 
that because of its physical Home button, I tended to gravitate towards my S 6 
more than the others.

Anyway, in the case of the new s 8 series, there is a soft home button located 
in the center bottom row of the display.
With the S 8, unfortunately, the Home button can scroll off the screen.  This 
is kind of a pain, to say the least--especially when one wishes to quickly 
return to his/her starting point.  

Apple tends to implement new technology with more flare and feasibility than 
its competition.  Let's hope it continues that standard.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 3:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

If apple removes the physical home button, how will the blind access it?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

Hello Everyone,

I hope you find the following article interesting.

As for me, I can tell you that I definitely miss a physical Home button, with 
integrated Touch ID, on the Samsung Galaxy S 8, so much so, that I have 
reverted back to my Galaxy S 6.  

If Apple does remove a bezel-based Home button, I  certainly hope that it comes 
up with a better design solution than Samsung.

Mark

CNET News - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:14 PM Goodbye, home button? Get 
ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET
 
What will life be like without one of these? Maybe we already know the answer.
Sarah Tew/CNET
When Apple unveils its new high-end iPhone on Sept. 12, it's widely expected to 
do away with the most iconic part of its handset: the home button. If the 
rumors are true, the all-screen design of the so-called iPhone 8 means no room 
for a bottom bezel, and thus no room for a physical home button (and its Touch 
ID fingerprint sensor). It will be the biggest design change to hit the iPhone 
in its 10-plus year history -- a radical change to the most basic usage element 
that has existed on the phone since day one.
 
A glyph that appears in the HomePod firmware could be the rumored iPhone 8.
MacRumors
Or maybe it won't be that shocking a change at all. 
In fact, Apple has been nudging millions of iPhone owners with changes to 
homescreen navigation for the past several years. There are already pieces in 
place to suggest the transition may not be as wild and weird as you might 
expect. Android phones have already done it, and the iPhone can do it too.
The current iPhone's no-click home button could be training wheels for how the 
iPhone 8 will work Here's the funny thing: The iPhone's home button is already 
gone. Instead of a physical button, 2016's iPhone 7 and 7 Plus featured a 
solid-state panel that used subtle vibration to simulate a button press. It 
initially drew mixed opinions: some felt the click was weird; others liked the 
haptic thump. But the point is, I got used to it, and most people I know did, 
too.
It feels a bit like a real button, but it's not. And maybe that's how the 
iPhone 8 display will work, too.
Enhanced vibration (called "Taptic Engine") give the iPhone and Apple Watch 
their taps and thumps, and it already does a few things on the iPhone 6S and 
later models to feel tactile in iOS 10 (scroll wheels in settings, or pressing 
in on app icons). Pressing in on a part of the screen will probably feel the 
same as pressing in on the solid-state home button does now. The bigger 
problem, of course, becomes how to relocate that Touch ID fingerprint sensor -- 
or come up with a replacement. (More on that below.) Control Center is an app 
launcher away from being the home button replacement iPhones

Re: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

[Robin]

As I understand it, Samsung's NEW Touch ID isn't Connected to its 
Always ON HomeButton as it Previously was, it has Moved its Location 
to The Back of the Device resembling the Touch ID on the Pixel By Google

At 03:25 PM 9/6/2017, you wrote:

Hello Everyone,

I hope you find the following article interesting.

As for me, I can tell you that I definitely miss a physical Home button,
with integrated Touch ID, on the Samsung Galaxy S 8, so much so, that I have
reverted back to my Galaxy S 6.

If Apple does remove a bezel-based Home button, I  certainly hope that it
comes up with a better design solution than Samsung.

Mark

CNET News - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:14 PM
Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

What will life be like without one of these? Maybe we already know the
answer.
Sarah Tew/CNET
When Apple unveils its new high-end iPhone on Sept. 12, it's widely expected
to do away with the most iconic part of its handset: the home button. If the
rumors are true, the all-screen design of the so-called iPhone 8 means no
room for a bottom bezel, and thus no room for a physical home button (and
its Touch ID fingerprint sensor). It will be the biggest design change to
hit the iPhone in its 10-plus year history -- a radical change to the most
basic usage element that has existed on the phone since day one.

A glyph that appears in the HomePod firmware could be the rumored iPhone 8.
MacRumors
Or maybe it won't be that shocking a change at all.
In fact, Apple has been nudging millions of iPhone owners with changes to
homescreen navigation for the past several years. There are already pieces
in place to suggest the transition may not be as wild and weird as you might
expect. Android phones have already done it, and the iPhone can do it too.
The current iPhone's no-click home button could be training wheels for how
the iPhone 8 will work
Here's the funny thing: The iPhone's home button is already gone. Instead of
a physical button, 2016's iPhone 7 and 7 Plus featured a solid-state panel
that used subtle vibration to simulate a button press. It initially drew
mixed opinions: some felt the click was weird; others liked the haptic
thump. But the point is, I got used to it, and most people I know did, too.
It feels a bit like a real button, but it's not. And maybe that's how the
iPhone 8 display will work, too.
Enhanced vibration (called "Taptic Engine") give the iPhone and Apple Watch
their taps and thumps, and it already does a few things on the iPhone 6S and
later models to feel tactile in iOS 10 (scroll wheels in settings, or
pressing in on app icons). Pressing in on a part of the screen will probably
feel the same as pressing in on the solid-state home button does now. The
bigger problem, of course, becomes how to relocate that Touch ID fingerprint
sensor -- or come up with a replacement. (More on that below.)
Control Center is an app launcher away from being the home button
replacement
iPhones currently stick four apps at the bottom of the home screen, locking
them in place as you swipe to additional pages: useful, but inefficient.
Swiping up for the Control Center usually accomplishes more, getting to
settings and even some app shortcuts fast. Control Center is getting
expanded in iOS 11, where it now offers a single page of user-configurable
widgets and switches. But if that same updated Control Center page had a
mini dock at the bottom for those same apps -- and/or a virtual home button
-- it would basically be a one-stop shortcut. The problem with exiling the
home button to the dock, though, is that it turns a single action --
pressing the handy home button that we have now -- into a two-step process:
swiping first and then clicking the screen.
3D Touch could be better utilized for home screen shortcuts
It still feels like the variable pressure-sensitive 3D Touch technology that
iPhones 6S and later use is way underutilized, to the point where it feels
unnecessary. But what if pressing down on the home screen opened up
sublayers, or app folders beneath? Maybe pressing down on the bottom of the
screen could launch back to the home area, or Control Center. 3D Touch is
there, and it's theoretically versatile... now Apple just needs to put it to
better use.

One-screen access to everything: is this is the post-home-button home
screen?
Sarah Tew/CNET
iOS 11 on the iPad could be a preview of a no-home button iPhone
The iPad has already started exploring new ways of navigation in iOS 11.
(The beta has been out since June, and the final version will likely be
available in mid-September.) The app dock adds a lot of favorite apps for
quick shortcuts, making better use of the iPad's additional screen real
estate. It's not a massive change, but it's better than what it was in iOS
10, and better than the Touch Bar on recent MacBook Pros. The swipe-up app
dock could be a model for what the iPhone 8 app area looks like. Maybe
something on a smaller scale, with nested menus? I just want 

RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

[M. Taylor]

Hello Larry,

Many of Androids most popular devices, for many, many years, have not used a 
physical Home button.  Instead, they use soft, or on-screen) navigation buttons 
located on the bottom row of the display.  Unlike the S8 series, however, these 
navigation buttons were always available.  This is to say, they did not scroll 
off the display.

Until the S 8 series, Samsung was the only major brand that used a physical 
Home button on all of its Android devices.  

None of my Android phones, with the exception of the S 6, have physical Home 
buttons; so I am no stranger to the technology.  However, I strongly believe 
that because of its physical Home button, I tended to gravitate towards my S 6 
more than the others.

Anyway, in the case of the new s 8 series, there is a soft home button located 
in the center bottom row of the display.
With the S 8, unfortunately, the Home button can scroll off the screen.  This 
is kind of a pain, to say the least--especially when one wishes to quickly 
return to his/her starting point.  

Apple tends to implement new technology with more flare and feasibility than 
its competition.  Let's hope it continues that standard.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 3:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

If apple removes the physical home button, how will the blind access it?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

Hello Everyone,

I hope you find the following article interesting.

As for me, I can tell you that I definitely miss a physical Home button, with 
integrated Touch ID, on the Samsung Galaxy S 8, so much so, that I have 
reverted back to my Galaxy S 6.  

If Apple does remove a bezel-based Home button, I  certainly hope that it comes 
up with a better design solution than Samsung.

Mark

CNET News - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:14 PM Goodbye, home button? Get 
ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET
 
What will life be like without one of these? Maybe we already know the answer.
Sarah Tew/CNET
When Apple unveils its new high-end iPhone on Sept. 12, it's widely expected to 
do away with the most iconic part of its handset: the home button. If the 
rumors are true, the all-screen design of the so-called iPhone 8 means no room 
for a bottom bezel, and thus no room for a physical home button (and its Touch 
ID fingerprint sensor). It will be the biggest design change to hit the iPhone 
in its 10-plus year history -- a radical change to the most basic usage element 
that has existed on the phone since day one.
 
A glyph that appears in the HomePod firmware could be the rumored iPhone 8.
MacRumors
Or maybe it won't be that shocking a change at all. 
In fact, Apple has been nudging millions of iPhone owners with changes to 
homescreen navigation for the past several years. There are already pieces in 
place to suggest the transition may not be as wild and weird as you might 
expect. Android phones have already done it, and the iPhone can do it too.
The current iPhone's no-click home button could be training wheels for how the 
iPhone 8 will work Here's the funny thing: The iPhone's home button is already 
gone. Instead of a physical button, 2016's iPhone 7 and 7 Plus featured a 
solid-state panel that used subtle vibration to simulate a button press. It 
initially drew mixed opinions: some felt the click was weird; others liked the 
haptic thump. But the point is, I got used to it, and most people I know did, 
too.
It feels a bit like a real button, but it's not. And maybe that's how the 
iPhone 8 display will work, too.
Enhanced vibration (called "Taptic Engine") give the iPhone and Apple Watch 
their taps and thumps, and it already does a few things on the iPhone 6S and 
later models to feel tactile in iOS 10 (scroll wheels in settings, or pressing 
in on app icons). Pressing in on a part of the screen will probably feel the 
same as pressing in on the solid-state home button does now. The bigger 
problem, of course, becomes how to relocate that Touch ID fingerprint sensor -- 
or come up with a replacement. (More on that below.) Control Center is an app 
launcher away from being the home button replacement iPhones currently stick 
four apps at the bottom of the home screen, locking them in place as you swipe 
to additional pages: useful, but inefficient.
Swiping up for the Control Center usually accomplishes more, getting to 
settings and even some app shortcuts fast. Control Center is getting expanded 
in iOS 11, where it now offers a single page of user-configurable widgets and 
switches. But if that same updated Cont

RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

[Larry Lumpkin]

If apple removes the physical home button, how will the blind access it?


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Subject: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

Hello Everyone,

I hope you find the following article interesting.

As for me, I can tell you that I definitely miss a physical Home button, with 
integrated Touch ID, on the Samsung Galaxy S 8, so much so, that I have 
reverted back to my Galaxy S 6.  

If Apple does remove a bezel-based Home button, I  certainly hope that it comes 
up with a better design solution than Samsung.

Mark

CNET News - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:14 PM Goodbye, home button? Get 
ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET
 
What will life be like without one of these? Maybe we already know the answer.
Sarah Tew/CNET
When Apple unveils its new high-end iPhone on Sept. 12, it's widely expected to 
do away with the most iconic part of its handset: the home button. If the 
rumors are true, the all-screen design of the so-called iPhone 8 means no room 
for a bottom bezel, and thus no room for a physical home button (and its Touch 
ID fingerprint sensor). It will be the biggest design change to hit the iPhone 
in its 10-plus year history -- a radical change to the most basic usage element 
that has existed on the phone since day one.
 
A glyph that appears in the HomePod firmware could be the rumored iPhone 8.
MacRumors
Or maybe it won't be that shocking a change at all. 
In fact, Apple has been nudging millions of iPhone owners with changes to 
homescreen navigation for the past several years. There are already pieces in 
place to suggest the transition may not be as wild and weird as you might 
expect. Android phones have already done it, and the iPhone can do it too.
The current iPhone's no-click home button could be training wheels for how the 
iPhone 8 will work Here's the funny thing: The iPhone's home button is already 
gone. Instead of a physical button, 2016's iPhone 7 and 7 Plus featured a 
solid-state panel that used subtle vibration to simulate a button press. It 
initially drew mixed opinions: some felt the click was weird; others liked the 
haptic thump. But the point is, I got used to it, and most people I know did, 
too.
It feels a bit like a real button, but it's not. And maybe that's how the 
iPhone 8 display will work, too.
Enhanced vibration (called "Taptic Engine") give the iPhone and Apple Watch 
their taps and thumps, and it already does a few things on the iPhone 6S and 
later models to feel tactile in iOS 10 (scroll wheels in settings, or pressing 
in on app icons). Pressing in on a part of the screen will probably feel the 
same as pressing in on the solid-state home button does now. The bigger 
problem, of course, becomes how to relocate that Touch ID fingerprint sensor -- 
or come up with a replacement. (More on that below.) Control Center is an app 
launcher away from being the home button replacement iPhones currently stick 
four apps at the bottom of the home screen, locking them in place as you swipe 
to additional pages: useful, but inefficient.
Swiping up for the Control Center usually accomplishes more, getting to 
settings and even some app shortcuts fast. Control Center is getting expanded 
in iOS 11, where it now offers a single page of user-configurable widgets and 
switches. But if that same updated Control Center page had a mini dock at the 
bottom for those same apps -- and/or a virtual home button
-- it would basically be a one-stop shortcut. The problem with exiling the home 
button to the dock, though, is that it turns a single action -- pressing the 
handy home button that we have now -- into a two-step process:
swiping first and then clicking the screen. 
3D Touch could be better utilized for home screen shortcuts It still feels like 
the variable pressure-sensitive 3D Touch technology that iPhones 6S and later 
use is way underutilized, to the point where it feels unnecessary. But what if 
pressing down on the home screen opened up sublayers, or app folders beneath? 
Maybe pressing down on the bottom of the screen could launch back to the home 
area, or Control Center. 3D Touch is there, and it's theoretically versatile... 
now Apple just needs to put it to better use.
 
One-screen access to everything: is this is the post-home-button home screen?
Sarah Tew/CNET
iOS 11 on the iPad could be a preview of a no-home button iPhone The iPad has 
already started exploring new ways of navigation in iOS 11.
(The beta has been out since June, and the final version will likely be 
available in mid-September.) The app dock adds a lot of favorite apps for quick 
shortcuts, making better use of the iPad's additional screen real estate. It's 
not a massive change, but it's better than what it was in iOS 10, and better 
than the Touch Bar on recent MacBook Pros. 

Re: some home button questions on the iphone 7

[Jed Barton]

ah i've noticed that haha.  That's what i kind of figured.

On 1/31/2017 1:06 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Press the home button with a finger that you didn't register with Touch Id or 
use the power button on the side to wake up your phone. On the newer iPhones 
Touch Id is so good and fast that if you press the home button with the finger 
you registered it usually just unlocks you rphone.


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Subject: some home button questions on the iphone 7

Hey guys,

I had a question on the home button.  On my iphone 6, when i would press the 
home button, it would allow me to swipe through my most recent notifications 
that came in, and if i wanted to unlock it, i would hold my fignerprint.  The 
iphone 7 doesn't seem to be doing that, it seems that when i press the home 
button it just opens up.  I have a finger print setup.  Am i missing something?

Cheers,
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RE: some home button questions on the iphone 7

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Press the home button with a finger that you didn't register with Touch Id or 
use the power button on the side to wake up your phone. On the newer iPhones 
Touch Id is so good and fast that if you press the home button with the finger 
you registered it usually just unlocks you rphone.


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: some home button questions on the iphone 7

Hey guys,

I had a question on the home button.  On my iphone 6, when i would press the 
home button, it would allow me to swipe through my most recent notifications 
that came in, and if i wanted to unlock it, i would hold my fignerprint.  The 
iphone 7 doesn't seem to be doing that, it seems that when i press the home 
button it just opens up.  I have a finger print setup.  Am i missing something?

Cheers,
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Re: some home button questions on the iphone 7

[Jed Barton]

Hey there,

So i turned it off.  I take it if there are no notifications, when i 
press the button, the default screen will come up


On 1/30/2017 3:17 PM, Jennie Facer wrote:

Hi Jed,

In the accessibility settings, there is a home button group. Double tap
on where it says home button and there is a rest finger to open option.
You should turn this off if you want it to behave like it used to on your 6.

Hope this helps,

Jenn

TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!




On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 8:17 AM -0700, "Jed Barton" > wrote:

Hey guys,

I had a question on the home button.  On my iphone 6, when i would press
the home button, it would allow me to swipe through my most recent
notifications that came in, and if i wanted to unlock it, i would hold
my fignerprint.  The iphone 7 doesn't seem to be doing that, it seems
that when i press the home button it just opens up.  I have a finger
print setup.  Am i missing something?

Cheers,
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Re: some home button questions on the iphone 7

[Jennie Facer]

Hi Jed,
In the accessibility settings, there is a home button group. Double tap on 
where it says home button and there is a rest finger to open option. You should 
turn this off if you want it to behave like it used to on your 6.
Hope this helps,
Jenn

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On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 8:17 AM -0700, "Jed Barton"  wrote:










Hey guys,

I had a question on the home button.  On my iphone 6, when i would press 
the home button, it would allow me to swipe through my most recent 
notifications that came in, and if i wanted to unlock it, i would hold 
my fignerprint.  The iphone 7 doesn't seem to be doing that, it seems 
that when i press the home button it just opens up.  I have a finger 
print setup.  Am i missing something?

Cheers,
Jed

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RE: no home button?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Another great way to tell if the phone is off would be to flick the mute 
switch, if it is off nothing happens, if it is on there should be a brief 
vibration when you flick it towards the back to the mute position.

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Wayne Merritt
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 2:31 PM
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Subject: Re: no home button?

One difference between the actual Home button on older iPhones and the Home 
button on the new iPhone 7: if you turn the iPhone 7/Plus off, nothing will 
happen to the Home button when you push it in. This is different from older 
phones where even when the phone is off, the button could be pressed. Of 
course, nothing would happen to the phone in that case, but still it is a way 
to see if your iPhone 7 is off.

I am teaching a student with neuropathy who has an iPhone 5S. He self-reports 
that he can feel the home button on my iPhone 7 better than he can on his 5S.

Wayne

On 11/7/16, Debby <dm-h...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Yes it does feel like a button, but mechanically it doesn't do 
> anything. You can't really move it. When you press your finger to it 
> you get the haptic thing--the phone kind of shutters.
>
> Debby
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of James Homuth
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 7:03 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: no home button?
>
> Um. The home button on my 7 looks pretty much like a button to me. We 
> looking at the same phone?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Debby
> Sent: November-07-16 7:01 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: no home button?
>
> The 7 home button is just an indented round spot on the screen. Your 
> fingerprint still gets read there. It does seem smaller in diameter to 
> me than the old home button. I don't have a 7, but my sister as a 
> newby has one. (can you say tough learning curve!) She is in another 
> state, so I can't take another look at it right now.
>
> Have fun!
>
> Debby
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Jed Barton
> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 7:55 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: no home button?
>
> well, there is a home button, it's just not a mechanical home button.
> Yes you can feel it on the screen
>
> On 11/6/2016 7:08 PM, 'ray t. mahorney' via VIPhone wrote:
>> Help me out folks if the IPhone 7 doesn't have a home button how are 
>> functions which would normally require this button performed?
>> Ray T. Mahorney
>> WA4WGA
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Re: no home button?

[Wayne Merritt]

One difference between the actual Home button on older iPhones and the
Home button on the new iPhone 7: if you turn the iPhone 7/Plus off,
nothing will happen to the Home button when you push it in. This is
different from older phones where even when the phone is off, the
button could be pressed. Of course, nothing would happen to the phone
in that case, but still it is a way to see if your iPhone 7 is off.

I am teaching a student with neuropathy who has an iPhone 5S. He
self-reports that he can feel the home button on my iPhone 7 better
than he can on his 5S.

Wayne

On 11/7/16, Debby <dm-h...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Yes it does feel like a button, but mechanically it doesn't do anything. You
> can't really move it. When you press your finger to it you get the haptic
> thing--the phone kind of shutters.
>
> Debby
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of James Homuth
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 7:03 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: no home button?
>
> Um. The home button on my 7 looks pretty much like a button to me. We
> looking at the same phone?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Debby
> Sent: November-07-16 7:01 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: no home button?
>
> The 7 home button is just an indented round spot on the screen. Your
> fingerprint still gets read there. It does seem smaller in diameter to me
> than the old home button. I don't have a 7, but my sister as a newby has
> one. (can you say tough learning curve!) She is in another state, so I can't
> take another look at it right now.
>
> Have fun!
>
> Debby
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Jed Barton
> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 7:55 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: no home button?
>
> well, there is a home button, it's just not a mechanical home button.
> Yes you can feel it on the screen
>
> On 11/6/2016 7:08 PM, 'ray t. mahorney' via VIPhone wrote:
>> Help me out folks if the IPhone 7 doesn't have a home button how are
>> functions which would normally require this button performed?
>> Ray T. Mahorney
>> WA4WGA
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RE: no home button?

[Debby]

Yes it does feel like a button, but mechanically it doesn't do anything. You 
can't really move it. When you press your finger to it you get the haptic 
thing--the phone kind of shutters.

Debby
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Um. The home button on my 7 looks pretty much like a button to me. We looking 
at the same phone?

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The 7 home button is just an indented round spot on the screen. Your 
fingerprint still gets read there. It does seem smaller in diameter to me than 
the old home button. I don't have a 7, but my sister as a newby has one. (can 
you say tough learning curve!) She is in another state, so I can't take another 
look at it right now.
 
Have fun!

Debby

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well, there is a home button, it's just not a mechanical home button. 
Yes you can feel it on the screen

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RE: no home button?

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Um. The home button on my 7 looks pretty much like a button to me. We
looking at the same phone?

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The 7 home button is just an indented round spot on the screen. Your
fingerprint still gets read there. It does seem smaller in diameter to me
than the old home button. I don't have a 7, but my sister as a newby has
one. (can you say tough learning curve!) She is in another state, so I can't
take another look at it right now.
 
Have fun!

Debby

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well, there is a home button, it's just not a mechanical home button. 
Yes you can feel it on the screen

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RE: no home button?

[Debby]

The 7 home button is just an indented round spot on the screen. Your 
fingerprint still gets read there. It does seem smaller in diameter to me than 
the old home button. I don't have a 7, but my sister as a newby has one. (can 
you say tough learning curve!) She is in another state, so I can't take another 
look at it right now.
 
Have fun!

Debby

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well, there is a home button, it's just not a mechanical home button. 
Yes you can feel it on the screen

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Re: no home button?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

For clarity:  that's a screen button, not a mechanical one, right?

So, how does the finger print thing work now?

Thanks, BobH.
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Subject: Re: no home button?


The iPhone 7 does have a home button. Wherever you found that from is obviously 
giving false information. The only difference about 
the button is that haptic,it's   and a mechanical.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

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Re: no home button?

['ray t. mahorney' via VIPhone]

you essentially confirmed what I thought about the original claim.  I thought 
they’d have to have a method of performing home button dependent functions.

From: Daniel Miller 
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Subject: Re: no home button?

The iPhone 7 does have a home button. Wherever you found that from is obviously 
giving false information. The only difference about the button is that 
haptic,it's   and a mechanical.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

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Re: no home button?

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well, there is a home button, it's just not a mechanical home button. 
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Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

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