Re: mms case sensitivity build failures (was Re: HP hobbyist license)

2012-06-03 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 10:36:54AM -0600, Mark Berryman wrote: > Some answers: > > 6: How do I deal with filenames with ^. (etc) in them from DCL? Without > > resorting to bash? Is it really the only option to rename directory names > > to remove the .s? > > I don't follow this question. For

Re: HP hobbyist license

2012-06-02 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 04:11:32PM +, Craig A. Berry wrote: > I believe you can still get an account on an HP server for purposes of open > source porting. See (Which of course is what I'm now using) > In that case HP would be the license holder. Also, it might be somethi

Re: scp to VMS (Re: mms case sensitivity build failures (was Re: HP hobbyist license))

2012-05-23 Thread Craig A. Berry
On May 23, 2012, at 5:22 PM, John E. Malmberg wrote: > I also found that 'scp -2' is supposed to force SCP into using V2 of the > protocol. No change seen in behavior from doing this. I think that means version 2 of ssh, the network protocol, whereas scp2 uses sftp as the file transfer proto

Re: scp to VMS (Re: mms case sensitivity build failures (was Re: HP hobbyist license))

2012-05-23 Thread John E. Malmberg
On 5/22/2012 3:18 PM, Mark Berryman wrote: Instead, I simply built libssh2 on the unix box and used the example program sftp_write.c I just tried the sftp program in Scientific Linux 6.1 and it can upload files. The help for it says that it can recursively upload a directory. It looks like

Re: scp to VMS (Re: mms case sensitivity build failures (was Re: HP hobbyist license))

2012-05-22 Thread Mark Berryman
On May 19, 2012, at 11:03 AM, John E. Malmberg wrote: > On 5/19/2012 2:56 AM, Nicholas Clark wrote: > >> Yes, this is the fun, and why it turns out that scp from VMS out to *nix >> works, but not the other way. Pretty much every *nix is using OpenSSH, >> whereas the VMS ssh is commercial ssh. Op

Re: scp to VMS (Re: mms case sensitivity build failures (was Re: HP hobbyist license))

2012-05-21 Thread Martin . Zinser
scp to VMS (Re: mms case sensitivity bu

Re: mms case sensitivity build failures (was HP hobbyist license)

2012-05-20 Thread sebb
On 16 May 2012 17:34, Craig A. Berry wrote: > On May 16, 2012, at 06:34 AM, Nicholas Clark wrote: ... > 5: What's the DCL equivalent of rm -rf? Is it really a Perl 1-liner with > File::Path::remove_tree()? > > > The Perl one-liner works but is of course very slow.  If you are on 8.4 (do > "show

Re: scp to VMS (Re: mms case sensitivity build failures (was Re: HP hobbyist license))

2012-05-19 Thread John E. Malmberg
On 5/19/2012 2:56 AM, Nicholas Clark wrote: Yes, this is the fun, and why it turns out that scp from VMS out to *nix works, but not the other way. Pretty much every *nix is using OpenSSH, whereas the VMS ssh is commercial ssh. OpenSSH has the original "scp" command, which I think is actually the

Re: scp to VMS (Re: mms case sensitivity build failures (was Re: HP hobbyist license))

2012-05-19 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:16:14PM -0500, Craig A. Berry wrote: > > On May 17, 2012, at 5:49 AM, Thomas Pfau wrote: > > > I understand this problem is fixed with the new ssh that comes with OpenVMS > > 8.4. Prior to this, scp does not work to openssh systems. > > It seems not, actually. With

Re: scp to VMS (Re: mms case sensitivity build failures (was Re: HP hobbyist license))

2012-05-19 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 09:48:43AM +0200, martin.zin...@eurexchange.com wrote: > Hello, > > a.) Agree with Craig on scp . If this is fixed either it is extremely > recent (doesn't work with 5.7 ECO 3) or it needs some additional magic. > > b.) In case you just need to move around Perl source fil

Re: scp to VMS (Re: mms case sensitivity build failures (was Re: HP hobbyist license))

2012-05-18 Thread Martin . Zinser
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names case-preserved and shortened (Re: mms case sensitivity build failures (was Re: HP hobbyist license))

2012-05-17 Thread Craig A. Berry
On May 17, 2012, at 2:47 PM, Mark Berryman wrote: > Can the code invoked by makefile.pl tell whether perl itself is being built > or if a perl extension is being built? If so, would it be possible to have > the "install" part of the perl build process add the following files with > their indic

Re: mms case sensitivity build failures (was Re: HP hobbyist license)

2012-05-17 Thread Mark Berryman
On May 17, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Craig A. Berry wrote: > > On May 16, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Nicholas Clark wrote: > [some text deleted] >> 9: The IA64 machine *initially* fails like this: >> >> MCR PTAC$DKA0:[NCLARK.I.perl5160-RC2]miniperl.exe "-I[--.lib]" "-I[--.lib]" >> "-ME >> xtUtils::Command"

Re: scp to VMS (Re: mms case sensitivity build failures (was Re: HP hobbyist license))

2012-05-17 Thread Craig A. Berry
On May 17, 2012, at 5:49 AM, Thomas Pfau wrote: > I understand this problem is fixed with the new ssh that comes with OpenVMS > 8.4. Prior to this, scp does not work to openssh systems. It seems not, actually. With a server that looks like: $ tcpip show vers HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS

Re: mms case sensitivity build failures (was Re: HP hobbyist license)

2012-05-17 Thread Craig A. Berry
On May 16, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Nicholas Clark wrote: >> > 8: The Alpha machine fails the build because the target is converted to > uppercase. How come no-one else has this problem? > MMS says: > > $ mms/ident > %MMS-I-IDENT, MMS V3.8 © Copyright 2007 Hewlett-Packard Development Company, > L.

Re: scp to VMS (Re: mms case sensitivity build failures (was Re: HP hobbyist license))

2012-05-17 Thread Thomas Pfau
I understand this problem is fixed with the new ssh that comes with OpenVMS 8.4. Prior to this, scp does not work to openssh systems. On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Craig A. Berry wrote: > > On May 16, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Mark Berryman wrote: > > >> 1: Is there any easy way to get an scp2 cli

scp to VMS (Re: mms case sensitivity build failures (was Re: HP hobbyist license))

2012-05-16 Thread Craig A. Berry
On May 16, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Mark Berryman wrote: >> 1: Is there any easy way to get an scp2 client for Unix, so that I can scp >> to them? (And use editors remotely) > > SCP clients definitely work to VMS systems as I use them extensively. It has > been awhile since I set up a TCPIP Service

Re: mms case sensitivity build failures (was HP hobbyist license)

2012-05-16 Thread Craig A. Berry
with lots of snipsOn May 16, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Nicholas Clark wrote:Doing *this* gets me a lot further: MMK := mcr PTAC$DKA0:[NCLARK.bin]mmk However, the build fails at a subdirectory of Encode: Same failure. The logical "mmk" is getting forgotten by the time the outer Descrip.MMS is attempting

Re: mms case sensitivity build failures (was HP hobbyist license)

2012-05-16 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 04:34:18PM +, Craig A. Berry wrote: [snip useful answers which aren't directly blocking] > > 8: The Alpha machine fails the build because the target is converted to > > uppercase. How come no-one else has this problem? > > I'm going to punt on the MMS issues for the

Re: mms case sensitivity build failures (was Re: HP hobbyist license)

2012-05-16 Thread Mark Berryman
Some answers: [some text edited] > So, general questions > > 1: Is there any easy way to get an scp2 client for Unix, so that I can scp > to them? (And use editors remotely) SCP clients definitely work to VMS systems as I use them extensively. It has been awhile since I set up a TCPIP Servi

Re: mms case sensitivity build failures (was HP hobbyist license)

2012-05-16 Thread Craig A. Berry
On May 16, 2012, at 06:34 AM, Nicholas Clark wrote: So, general questions 1: Is there any easy way to get an scp2 client for Unix, so that I can scp to them? (And use editors remotely) I've never gottten scp to work and always use sftp.  There should be a vim available; how well it works I don't

mms case sensitivity build failures (was Re: HP hobbyist license)

2012-05-16 Thread Nicholas Clark
Questions for my new blockers at the end. On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 06:30:16PM -0500, John E. Malmberg wrote: > On 5/15/2012 12:52 PM, Carl Friedberg wrote: > > At this very moment, all 3 of my VMS servers are unreachable, > > but normally they are accessible. > > > > I have two (pretty ancient) Alp

Re: HP hobbyist license

2012-05-15 Thread Craig A. Berry
On May 15, 2012, at 6:30 PM, John E. Malmberg wrote: > > The problem is that as Nicholas Clark is being paid for this work, it may not > be legal to do it on a system licensed with Hobby licenses. The only thing somewhat relevant I can find in my hobbyist license says, "Use o

Re: HP hobbyist license

2012-05-15 Thread John E. Malmberg
On 5/15/2012 12:52 PM, Carl Friedberg wrote: At this very moment, all 3 of my VMS servers are unreachable, but normally they are accessible. I have two (pretty ancient) AlphaServer 800's, single 500mhz processor, 2 Gb memory, running recent VMS with hobbyist licenses. I also have an Itanium RX26

RE: HP hobbyist license

2012-05-15 Thread Carl Friedberg
s.com<mailto:carl.friedb...@comets.com> http://about.me/carl.friedberg From: Craig A. Berry [mailto:craigbe...@mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 12:12 PM To: Nicholas Clark Cc: vmsperl@perl.org Subject: Re: HP hobbyist license On May 15, 2012, at 07:24 AM, Nicholas Clark wrote: I would find it reall

Re: HP hobbyist license

2012-05-15 Thread Craig A. Berry
but I don't know the answer offhand. But, I can't find the terms of the Hobbyist License *anywhere*. Does anyone have or can point me to a copy that I can read? One path would be to sign up for your own licenses at:and specifically ask them in the box on the form that says, "In what wa

HP hobbyist license

2012-05-15 Thread Nicholas Clark
they state that one can only use it to do things acceptable under the Hobbyist License, because that's the terms of their licence from DEC, er Compaq, er HP to run VMS. It's unclear to me whether what I'm doing would be hobbyist, given that I'm being paid. This distinction *is*

Re: License

2006-01-07 Thread Thomas Pfau
Gerson Freire de Amorim Filho wrote: Hello all. Can anyone borrow me a VAX/VMS license (may be a hobbyst license) for some days? You can get hobbyist licenses for free from http://www.openvmshobbyist.com/.

License

2006-01-07 Thread Gerson Freire de Amorim Filho
Hello all. Can anyone borrow me a VAX/VMS license (may be a hobbyst license) for some days?