Actually it is *postlogical thinking *
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/03/modes-of-thinking-my-taxonomy.html
Galantini is a very local authorithy, and university professors are not
necessarily experts in steam. Rossi is against the idea of measuring the
ENTHALPY of steam,(as Jed also suggest
Say, you two, what do you mean by, "Well, Rich, your underpants are showing." ?
I asking, because I don't get it...
I meant that I'm sure there's no excess heat in the Rossi devices, and
I mean it when I said I regret that.
I prefer to state that I'm sure, rather than hedge my bets.
I imagine th
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Well, Rich, your underpants are showing.
>
For which you can be thrown off an airplane.
> Rossi, if nothing else and even if he turns out to be as phony as a
> three-dollar bill, may have gotten us off our collective duffs. I think that
> the lackadaisical attitude
On 11-06-17 09:31 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence mailto:sa...@pobox.com>> wrote:
If that's not "appealing to an authority" then I don't know the
meaning of simple English sentences.
You do know the meaning of simple English sentences, but this meaning
does not apply to
Jouni Valkonen wrote:
> If I remember correctly, Mats Lewan weighted the water that was condensated
> in the hose.
>
Lewan and I discussed that. As I recall he did not weigh it, and he did not
take the temperature. That would be a sparge test. Then end of the hose was
too far from the machine to
Just to reiterate, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
> Rossi is citing actual, bona fide authorities in the relevant field such as
>> Dr. Galantini. That is a legitimate thing to do ...
>>
>
> Not with a complete lack of cited data, not in any scientific forum.
Rossi made it very clear to me that th
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
> If that's not "appealing to an authority" then I don't know the meaning of
> simple English sentences.
>
You do know the meaning of simple English sentences, but this meaning does
not apply to formal logic. Words and expressions in daily language often
mean somethin
At 05:41 PM 6/17/2011, Rich Murray wrote:
> 3) Has this recent exchange caused by Krivit's visit changed your
opinion at all? Good or bad...
It's made me more sure that there is no excess heat.
Well, Rich, your underpants are showing.
So to speak.
Excess heat in nickel-hydrogen is not terr
On 11-06-17 06:51 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Someone here said that Rossi is offering "an appeal to authority."
Strictly speaking, he is not.
Yes, he is. His evidence that the steam is dry is "So-and-so says so."
But no data is presented to back So-and-so's opinion; all we have is a
bare co
At 05:33 PM 6/17/2011, Mark Iverson wrote:
Fran,
You summed it up quite well...
I think the overall concensus of those vorts who have discussed the
e-Cat tests agree that the
dryness of the steam is a MAJOR source of concern and there are
INADEQUATE explanations from the
Rossi camp as to that
If I remember correctly, Mats Lewan weighted the water that was condensated
in the hose. It did not go to the sink. And also Rossi and Levi clearly
stated that this issue has been considered, therefore it is not real
problem, but only pseudoskepticism, I.e. criticism that does not have
realistic ba
At 01:36 PM 6/17/2011, Roarty, Francis X wrote:
OK, Everyone appears to be angry at Krivit
I'm not angry with Krivit. At least not about this!
but to be fair to the guy his line of questioning did seem to get
back directly to the point where we left it on Vortex - My
recollection was that we
At 04:04 PM 6/17/2011, you wrote:
How easy is it really to get steam from 300 Watts only? The difference
between 12kW and 300W must be obvious, even for the naked eye.
I'd say that this is quite a naive understanding. First of all, what
was the *peak* heating for that "12 kW" result? The Ny Te
At 03:43 PM 6/17/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
About those pseudoskeptics who doubt the dryness of the steam. Why
they do not just boil water on the stove and then calculate the
energy concumption from water used. If the setup resembles Rossi's
setup, then it would be child's play to calculate p
As everyone here knows, Steve Krivit wrote a report about a visit to Rossi's
factory in Bologna:
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/06/16/preliminary-report-of-interviews-with-e-cat-trio-rossi-focardi-and-levi/
On one hand, I thought this report was pretty good, but on the other hand I
can well
On 2011-06-15 00:47, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
A "week of news" is incoming, apparently:
http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/06/e-cat-settimana-di-novita-in-arrivo.html
More Google-translated info from 22passi:
http://goo.gl/FvMnO
Cheers,
S.A.
> 1) Does Levi, et.al., understand the importance of the dry steam issue?
They may be afraid to think about this show-stopping issue.
> 2) If the answer to #1 is YES, then do you feel that adequate care was taken
> in the tests we've seen
> to establish that the steam was truly dry?
Maybe they'
Fran,
You summed it up quite well...
I think the overall concensus of those vorts who have discussed the e-Cat tests
agree that the
dryness of the steam is a MAJOR source of concern and there are INADEQUATE
explanations from the
Rossi camp as to that issue. Steve was pushing hard to make sure
This is a News Item here:
http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm
Defkalion Green Technologies, the company that will market the Rossi cold
fusion reactor, has announced a press conference. It will be held on June
23, 2011 at 14:30 in Athens, Greece: Municipality of Palaio Faliro,
Terpsihoris 51 & Artemid
On 11-06-16 08:57 AM, David Jonsson wrote:
Good to hear. I have been thinking since March last year. First step
is to determine if Coreolis or centrifugal acceleration is the case.
OK, I think I've got it.
I'm assuming your reasoning is "purely Newtonian" -- you are using a
pure Newtoni
On 11-06-17 01:36 PM, Roarty, Francis X wrote:
OK, Everyone appears to be angry at Krivit but to be fair to the guy his line
of questioning did seem to get back directly to the point where we left it on
Vortex - My recollection was that we decided the steam measurement was an
unreliable calc
The question was: are these 800 W the heating power for on or more Ecat?
Passerini says that the current of 3.5 A (= 800 W) is related to one Ecat:
Se scrivo l'E-Cat in funzione e non gli E-Cat in funzione ci sarà un motivo
no!?
(If I am writing E-Cat functioning and not E-Cats functioning, ther
On 11-06-17 02:20 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Krivit has raised valid questions, no doubt about it. I'm not claiming
there are no answers, but to attack him merely for asking? That's
beyond the pale.
Maybe. It's also typical of charlatans.
The saga of Rossi and the Reactors has becom
How easy is it really to get steam from 300 Watts only? The difference
between 12kW and 300W must be obvious, even for the naked eye.
And no reports on input power? Is it measured at the plug, before
whatever electronics he uses? Or at the input in the reactor? If the
latest and if that is RF/puls
About those pseudoskeptics who doubt the dryness of the steam. Why they do
not just boil water on the stove and then calculate the energy concumption
from water used. If the setup resembles Rossi's setup, then it would be
child's play to calculate probable error margins.
—Jouni
Harry wrote:
> Abd wrote:
>
>
> >
> > I understand that Rossi has reasons to avoid making everything plain and
>clear.
>
> >However, that doesn't allow him to impugn the integrity >of a journalist. It
> >makes him an asshole, even if he turns out to be a rich one.
>
>
> I suspect Ross
At 11:38 AM 6/17/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Regarding that, this an "open letter" (in English) from Giuseppe
Levi to Steven Krivit that just got posted on 22passi (I feel it
might be subject to slight grammer/wording changes, so I'm not
copy/pasting it here). It appears that he is not please
Abd wrote:
>
> I understand that Rossi has reasons to avoid making everything plain and
> clear.
>However, that doesn't allow him to impugn the integrity >of a journalist. It
>makes him an asshole, even if he turns out to be a rich one.
I suspect Rossi and Levi also feel their integrity has
I think you measure the enthalpy of the steam, or you use water in, water
out. Tertium non datur.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Roarty, Francis X <
francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote:
> OK, Everyone appears to be angry at Krivit but to be fair to the guy his
> line of questioning did seem to get
At 07:44 AM 6/17/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
Idea with this fusion is that in fusion two light nucleous merge.
But there is no good evidence that this reaction is plausible in low
energy (without muons).
That's a common opinion, but it's not true. See Storms, "Status of
cold fusion (2010),"
At 05:45 AM 6/17/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
On 2011-06-17 04:57, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
I'd say, so far, so good. Let's hope he gets some decent answers.
Krivit's preliminary report has been harshly criticized by Rossi:
Look, it's obvious: Rossi is either crazy, or
crazy like a fox. H
OK, Everyone appears to be angry at Krivit but to be fair to the guy his line
of questioning did seem to get back directly to the point where we left it on
Vortex - My recollection was that we decided the steam measurement was an
unreliable calculation but that the experiment with only a 5 degre
FYI
http://translate.google.com/translate?tl=en&sourceid=ie8-activity&u=http%3A%2F%2F22passi.blogspot.com%2F2011%2F06%2Fquattro-gatti-e-sette-persone-3.html
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
> On 2011-06-17 16:22, Mark Iverson wrote:
>
>> That's ridiculous... I highly d
On 2011-06-17 16:22, Mark Iverson wrote:
That's ridiculous... I highly doubt that Krivit did anything like that... What
is more likely is
that Levi misunderstood something that Krivit said due to the language barrier.
Steve mentioned in
his report that he felt Levi had trouble understanding so
>From Terry:
> Krivit extorted Levi?!?
I doubt that.
Nevertheless, it would seem obvious that both Levi and Rossi are
pissed off as a result of their contact with Krivit. At present we
don't know why. We don't know the specifics. Perhaps Krivit will
eventually clarify his POV on this matter at N
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Mark Iverson wrote:
> That's ridiculous... I highly doubt that Krivit did anything like that...
> What is more likely is
> that Levi misunderstood something that Krivit said due to the language
> barrier. Steve mentioned in
> his report that he felt Levi had tr
That's ridiculous... I highly doubt that Krivit did anything like that... What
is more likely is
that Levi misunderstood something that Krivit said due to the language barrier.
Steve mentioned in
his report that he felt Levi had trouble understanding some elements of what he
was saying.
Interes
Krivit extorted Levi?!? Did he leave his meds at home?
T
Idea with this fusion is that in fusion two light nucleous merge. But there
is no good evidence that this reaction is plausible in low energy (without
muons). However LENR does not exactly specify what does happen, but has more
experimental approach.
But in my opinnion Steven is perhaps wrong with
If the Rossi units heat water to the boiling point, it can be used to heat homes...we can collectively nail down specifics on output by the time these units are made available for 'field testing' inside homes and offices. Our network in D.C. will pin down either the Greek or Italian embassy to bri
On 2011-06-17 04:57, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
I'd say, so far, so good. Let's hope he gets some decent answers.
Krivit's preliminary report has been harshly criticized by Rossi:
* * *
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360&cpage=12#comment-46645
Dear Mr Rossi,
Can you respond to
On 2011-06-17 04:45, Harry Veeder wrote:
New video in italian with some historical excerpts in english.
As far as I can understand from comments in the blog where the video
originally appeared, a version subtitled in english will be posted at a
later time.
Cheers,
S.A.
F.lii Rossi business is really about tyres http://www.fllirossi-tyre.com/
Probably they share a portion of the same industrial building complex with
our Rossi
2011/6/17 Harry Veeder
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